| Amaranth | PriceChild: of course, it's every compositor | 00:01 |
|---|---|---|
| Amaranth | although we have a solution :) | 00:01 |
| PriceChild | Amaranth, I thought it was just 965 from your blog :) And wooo... more than theoretical? | 00:02 |
| Amaranth | Well, we know it works | 00:02 |
| Amaranth | We just don't know if we can make compiz do it automatically | 00:02 |
| PriceChild | can't it just be doing it all the time? | 00:03 |
| Amaranth | Haha, let me explain | 00:03 |
| PriceChild | ahh how naive i am | 00:04 |
| Amaranth | Basically the original idea was to stick a window in the area that needed to be covered | 00:04 |
| Amaranth | But not a top-level window, that (obviously) doesn't work anymoe | 00:04 |
| Amaranth | anymore | 00:04 |
| Amaranth | But compiz can certainly grab a random top-level window and shove a new child window inside it | 00:04 |
| Amaranth | Although now we're going with just using XShape to shape the hidden section of the window away | 00:05 |
| Amaranth | The problem is, of course, figuring out what parts should be overlapping | 00:05 |
| Amaranth | Thanks to the nature of compositing only the compositor has any chance of knowing | 00:06 |
| PriceChild | erm... of course :) | 00:06 |
| Amaranth | Otherwise I suspect X would have done something like this already | 00:06 |
| Amaranth | Of course once you get into transformations the whole thing just falls apart | 00:07 |
| Amaranth | We'll have to find some way to detect animations, switcher, cube, etc and just completely shape away at least the GL part of the window | 00:08 |
| Amaranth | And this is only going to be possible at all because we control the whole stack so we can add a patch in mesa to set an X property on windows that have OpenGL inside them so that compiz can find them | 00:09 |
| Amaranth | Lots of gotchas in there, that's why I didn't just talk about it in the blog | 00:09 |
| Amaranth | Well, and it'd make the blog post 3x longer | 00:09 |
| PriceChild | hehe | 00:10 |
| Amaranth | Also, I've got about two more solid blog posts in me then I'm out of ideas, why waste one smushing things together? | 00:11 |
| somerville32 | Can someone please take care of choudesh_ (i=choudesh@12.104.116.38) in #ubuntu-motu? He or she is having connectivity issues and have been spamming the channel for the last few hours | 01:12 |
| somerville32 | They seem unresponsive | 01:13 |
| somerville32 | Ok, we took care of it :) | 01:18 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, soldats said: ubotu isnt so smart now is it | 01:53 |
| LjL | hm not a new name chousesh | 02:26 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !cf is <alias> !compiz-fusion | 02:55 |
| * MenZa nods. | 02:55 | |
| Pici | !cf | 02:57 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about cf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:57 |
| Pici | !-compiz-fusion | 02:57 |
| ubotu | compiz-fusion is <alias> compiz - added by jrib on 2007-09-15 01:44:26 | 02:57 |
| Pici | !cf is <alias> compiz | 02:57 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, Pici | 02:57 |
| Pici | poof! | 02:57 |
| no0tic | Pici, lazy :P | 02:57 |
| LjL | !lazy | 02:58 |
| ubotu | But perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead... | 02:58 |
| LjL | perhaps i should delete that one | 02:59 |
| LjL | or not | 02:59 |
| no0tic | !-lazy | 03:03 |
| ubotu | lazy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-28 03:07:01 | 03:03 |
| Pici | I like it. | 03:10 |
| ubotu | posingaspopular called the ops in #ubuntu-us () | 03:29 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, RB2 said: !foo is foo | 05:12 |
| * crdlb is enlightened | 05:13 | |
| elkbuntu | aww, not him again | 05:23 |
| nalioth | he just signed on for you, elkbuntu | 05:23 |
| nalioth | join > spam > quit | 05:24 |
| elkbuntu | indeed | 05:24 |
| nalioth | finger_: is there something we can help you with? Cómo podemos ayudarte? | 05:26 |
| finger_ | thanks but no | 05:29 |
| finger_ | I just leaving the channel | 05:30 |
| finger_ | bye | 05:30 |
| ardchoille | When I do !find <package> and ubotu responds with blah (and 5 others).. how do I see those "5 others"? | 06:37 |
| nalioth | say !more !more !more :P | 06:40 |
| * nalioth has no clue | 06:40 | |
| Hobbsee | @more usually | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | !find lib | 06:43 |
| ubotu | Found: apt, apt-utils, binutils-dev, cgilib, cracklib-runtime (and 7065 others) | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | @more | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | !more | 06:43 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about more - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 06:43 |
| Hobbsee | @more find lib | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | hrm | 06:44 |
| Hobbsee | no idea | 06:44 |
| jussi01 | ardchoille: you cant. I ask Sev.eas one day - it doesnt work with the apt searching. | 09:36 |
| ardchoille | jussi01: Ok, thanks for the info | 09:40 |
| jussi01 | ardchoille: it does work with factoids and stuff though | 09:40 |
| ardchoille | It does? | 09:52 |
| jussi01 | yeah, with any 2 more lines or whatever... anything from the bot it should work, except apt packages. | 09:57 |
| ardchoille | jussi01: I think I've seen that with the !flash factoid | 10:05 |
| jussi01 | ardchoille: I dont think so, that automatically pulls !flashissues. it usually only happens when configuring the bot | 10:06 |
| jussi01 | hi Hobbsee | 10:06 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 10:07 |
| ardchoille | jussi01: ok | 10:11 |
| cook63 | Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! | 10:36 |
| cook63 | !list | 10:37 |
| ubotu | I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots | 10:37 |
| ardchoille | Needs to change is name | 10:39 |
| elkbuntu | er, im not entirely sure what he said, but i'm suspect it's not on-topic for wherever he joined | 10:48 |
| ardchoille | He said "A greeting to all souls" | 10:48 |
| elkbuntu | Anime = ?? | 10:49 |
| ardchoille | "A greeting to all living souls" | 10:49 |
| elkbuntu | ah | 10:49 |
| ardchoille | Sorry | 10:49 |
| * jpatrick wakes up, takes one look at #ubuntu-es, and asks himself WTH happened | 10:56 | |
| Hobbsee | elkbuntu, nalioth, LjL, etc: this is my request to overturn the decision of the #kubuntu-kde4 channel, which you've gone and locked, and forwarded, without consulting the kubuntu council, or the current contact of #kubuntu. | 11:02 |
| * Hobbsee thinks it's wrong, and thinks that the people who actually run kubuntu-based stuff should have been consulted first. | 11:02 | |
| Hobbsee | kubuntu council really should have control of it's own support - not have it defined by a bunch of people who use gnome, and don't use kde3 and kde4, and see the difference. | 11:03 |
| Hobbsee | the kubuntu council, and those of kubuntu took it to vote in the latest meeting, and decided. You had absolutely no reason to overturn them, on a decision that related to them, and not to you. | 11:04 |
| * Hobbsee doesn't get why you'd go to a development channel for user support. | 12:07 | |
| Hobbsee | from opera. | 12:09 |
| Hobbsee | on windows. | 12:09 |
| ompaul | Hobbsee, five letters t r o l l ? | 12:27 |
| ompaul | no idea what you are talking about but there ya go | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | unsure | 12:27 |
| Hobbsee | apparently ukranian | 12:27 |
| PriceChild | Couple of new members this morning? :) | 13:24 |
| * Hobbsee plays feed the troll | 13:29 | |
| PriceChild | where? | 13:29 |
| PriceChild | got it | 13:30 |
| PriceChild | hehe at persia in -motu | 13:33 |
| === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic | ||
| LjL | [16:27:19] [Invite] Xintruder invited you to channel #ubuntu-qa. | 15:27 |
| LjL | is he doing that with anyone else? | 15:27 |
| Pricey | Gah random freeze... didn't happen at all yday with acerhk :/ | 15:28 |
| === Pricey is now known as PriceChild | ||
| PriceChild | I guess that's because we slightly helped him? | 15:29 |
| LjL | afraid so | 15:29 |
| LjL | *shivers* | 15:29 |
| LjL | just want to make sure he isn't inviting people at random from #ubuntu though | 15:29 |
| LjL | [16:29:15] <Xintruder> setting locoteams is some work eh.... lol [16:29:19] <Xintruder> needs effort and time [16:30:27] <Xintruder> hmmm... I guess I need bots... [16:30:29] <Xintruder> lol | 15:31 |
| LjL | why is this *always* the first thing these people think about when making a channel? | 15:31 |
| PriceChild | :) | 15:31 |
| stdin | PriceChild: just to check and be sure. Is kubuntu-kde4 "officially formed" now? (but not officially open yet?) or not? | 15:32 |
| LjL | stdin: i don't know if it's officially anything... i still personally think it's most likely not really needed | 15:33 |
| stdin | well it exists and now has an access list, and I've seen some discussion about it in -devel, so not sure | 15:34 |
| PriceChild | stdin, I'm inclined to side with hobbsee seen as she's dev and contact for #kubuntu. She thinks its best that kde4 discussion is seperated from kde3 for the time being. | 15:34 |
| stdin | I agree on the "for the time being" part totally, I don't think it should be a permanent/long term thing | 15:35 |
| PriceChild | indeed | 15:35 |
| LjL | i definitely don't think *hardy*'s kde4 (seeing as it's default) should be supported in anything else than #kubuntu | 15:36 |
| LjL | as for the rest, i don't quite agree, but *shrug* | 15:36 |
| stdin | LjL: when hardy is out it should be supported in #kubuntu (kde3 or kde4) yes | 15:37 |
| PriceChild | yup | 15:37 |
| jpatrick | LjL: could you change !kde4 ? | 15:47 |
| PriceChild | jpatrick, suggest a change :) | 15:48 |
| LjL | LongPointyStick: however, the kubuntu council never got in contact with us telling us that #kubuntu-kde4 was voted on and approved. and you certainly could, as i've privately asked you about it. the channel was closed because most of us here (including the currently active #kubuntu ops) were under the impression it was not yet open for business or even decided. the access list didn't have any #kubuntu ops in it except jussi01. | 15:48 |
| LjL | this is in response to 11:02 UTC | 15:48 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, jpatrick said: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu-kde4 | 15:49 |
| LjL | !kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 | 15:50 |
| ubotu | But kde4 already means something else! | 15:50 |
| LjL | !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 | 15:50 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that LjL | 15:50 |
| jussi01 | so we are officially open for business then? :) | 15:57 |
| LjL | jussi01: yes | 16:01 |
| LjL | jussi01: please, mlock -s and add freenode/staff/* to the access list | 16:06 |
| nalioth | LjL: staff is on it | 16:08 |
| LjL | don't use that freenode/staff*... i made a typo in a document once, and it's perpetuating | 16:08 |
| jussi01 | LjL: you have access also | 16:08 |
| LjL | the mask is *!*@freenode/staff/* | 16:09 |
| nalioth | while we're nitpicking masks, *!*@*/*PriceChild will work fine for him (on another note, how did PriceChild get an uppercase ubuntu cloak?) | 16:14 |
| PriceChild | nalioth, Jenda was feeling generous (Its all his fault) | 16:14 |
| LjL | nalioth, and what exactly prevents someone else from having a cloak ending with "pricechild"? | 16:15 |
| LjL | not nitpick by not nitpick, we end up with access lists being a horrible mess | 16:15 |
| LjL | master nick for individuals, x/x/* for groups, it's that easy | 16:16 |
| LjL | #ubuntu-kde4 registered and forwarded to #kubuntu-kde4 | 16:41 |
| Seveas | !ping | 16:59 |
| Seveas | yikes... | 16:59 |
| ubotu | pong | 16:59 |
| jussi01 | PriceChild: it was already gone... | 17:03 |
| Seveas | jussi01, try @login and @btlogin | 17:03 |
| jussi01 | @btlogin | 17:03 |
| PriceChild | jussi01, its still there at the bottom | 17:04 |
| Seveas | jussi01, first @login | 17:04 |
| jussi01 | Seveas: @login works, but @btlogin gives Error: Authntication failed | 17:04 |
| jussi01 | oh | 17:04 |
| jussi01 | @btlogin | 17:05 |
| jussi01 | Seveas: works now, thanks :) | 17:05 |
| jussi01 | PriceChild: done | 17:07 |
| PriceChild | jussi01, thankyou | 17:08 |
| jussi01 | PriceChild: yw :) | 17:08 |
| ubotu | In ubotu, mok0 said: !maintainer is The Maintainer: field in debian/control should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often "ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com" for Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field XSBC-Original-Maintainer: | 17:08 |
| PriceChild | incoming (rdz11) | 17:10 |
| LjL | !maintainer is <reply> The "Maintainer" field in a package's information (debian/control) should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often the !MOTU for !Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field "XSBC-Original-Maintainer". | 17:10 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, LjL | 17:10 |
| rdz11 | Hello All, Hi, I was banned of the #ubuntu IRC channel last night, I think because I was speaking in another language with another person, anyways, is there a way to get this ban lifted? I didn't know that speaking in another language was wrong, I was not even warned, I'm sorry | 17:11 |
| LjL | rdz11: what was your nickname then? | 17:12 |
| rdz11 | LjL: "captaincrunch", but I changed it to "rdz11" and I get the same message | 17:13 |
| PriceChild | rdz11, please don't change your nick to try and evade a ban | 17:14 |
| LjL | rdz11, you have been warned *several* times actually. | 17:14 |
| PriceChild | !en | rdz11 | 17:14 |
| ubotu | rdz11: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat | 17:14 |
| LjL | rdz11, i'll lift the ban, but in the future please *read* what people tell you. i'm sure your client has a highlighting function that helps with that. | 17:14 |
| LjL | !etiquette > rdz11 (rdz11, see the private message from Ubotu) | 17:15 |
| rdz11 | LjL: maybe I was, but I was so into helping the other buddy that I didn't read those warnings, but I'll be more careful, thanks LjL | 17:16 |
| PriceChild | LjL, a ban of yours on "_KAMI2" (now online under "_KAMI3") has stopped affecting him due to dymanic ip. He's just mentioned happily to me in pm that he can get back in. | 17:47 |
| LjL | PriceChild: sure _kami3 is the current (or just past) nickname? | 17:48 |
| PriceChild | he's the one that started the convo with me in the first place, mentioning that he could enter again | 17:49 |
| LjL | but _kami3 is not online nor on /whowas either | 17:49 |
| PriceChild | gah sorry I've got it the wrong way around. | 17:49 |
| LjL | ah | 17:49 |
| PriceChild | was banned as _kami3 | 17:49 |
| PriceChild | now online as _kami2 | 17:49 |
| LjL | he isn't in #ubuntu now though | 17:50 |
| LjL | realizes he's still supposed to be banned? | 17:50 |
| PriceChild | I think he just thinks it was removed. | 17:51 |
| LjL | well i'll just keep kami on hilight | 17:51 |
| PriceChild | Shall we remove the ineffecive ban? | 17:52 |
| nalioth | did we miss something on the -classroom calendar, or is crimsun just holding a scratch class? | 18:15 |
| LjL | "[19:05:14] <crimsun> ok, carried over from #ubuntu-motu, we'll be looking at paman in hardy" | 18:16 |
| nalioth | LjL: right, i got that. i'm still confused | 18:16 |
| LjL | well i'm not in -motu, i dunno | 18:17 |
| LjL | nalioth: topic says it's "REVU day", so i suppose they might be holding tutorials, but (surprisingly) realized that hindered operations in -motu... | 18:18 |
| nalioth | aha | 18:24 |
| LjL | !opabuse | PriceChild | 18:49 |
| ubotu | PriceChild: leave the ops alone ktnxbye | 18:49 |
| PriceChild | rawr | 18:55 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, Darkmystere said: !Nickrud is One of the most helpful people u could ever meet | 19:07 |
| LjL | !botabuse > darkmystere (darkmystere, see the private message from Ubotu) | 19:07 |
| ubotu | In #kubuntu, crimsun said: ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/ | 19:14 |
| LjL | !dma | 19:18 |
| ubotu | dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA | 19:18 |
| LjL | ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/ | 19:18 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that LjL | 19:18 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !no, !properenglish is <reply> English is a language with rules, grammar, and correct spellings. Please don't abuse it with AIM-speak and misspelling common words because you are lazy or just being stupid. | 19:20 |
| ubotu | In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !ebonics is <reply> Wut'up dog, Hommie G in da hizhous | 19:23 |
| LjL | watch boinker and cre8torx, i believe they're really the same person (see the latter's host) | 19:32 |
| crdlb | I hate to pick nits, but I really don't like the way !enter looks now | 19:40 |
| crdlb | err !ask | 19:41 |
| crdlb | !ask | 19:41 |
| ubotu | Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) | 19:41 |
| ikonia | !enter | 19:41 |
| ubotu | Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! | 19:41 |
| ikonia | crdlb: seems quite tidy ? what don't you like | 19:41 |
| crdlb | I meant !ask, I wasn't paying attention | 19:41 |
| ikonia | oooh | 19:42 |
| crdlb | the weird -- thingies and the random 'All On One Line' capitalisation | 19:42 |
| ikonia | ahh, so it's not the wording it's the slack bits in it | 19:44 |
| Tm_T | hi kids | 20:12 |
| * ikonia nods respectfully | 20:13 | |
| ubotu | In ubotu, stdin said: !no offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is <reply> #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! | 20:25 |
| stdin | anyone care to add? | 20:26 |
| crdlb | shouldn't it say something about using #kubuntu for non-kde4 support? | 20:26 |
| stdin | possibly yeah | 20:26 |
| Tm_T | stdin: do that and I'll add | 20:27 |
| stdin | like "#kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!" | 20:27 |
| Tm_T | stdin: great | 20:27 |
| Darkmystere_ | Could i have my Ubotu ignore remove if i act nicely? | 20:28 |
| Darkmystere_ | Removed Sorry | 20:28 |
| Tm_T | ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 | 20:30 |
| Tm_T | ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is <reply> #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! | 20:30 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that, Tm_T | 20:30 |
| Tm_T | stdin: ok? | 20:31 |
| stdin | yep :) | 20:31 |
| nalioth | i just think it's all unnecessary. | 20:33 |
| nalioth | why not #ubuntu+1 ? at the most, #kubuntu+1 if the traffic in #kubuntu is getting that bad | 20:34 |
| ikonia | nalioth: I think your going to get a lot of "I want kde4 " taffic | 20:34 |
| Tm_T | so? | 20:34 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: I do somewhat agree that | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | once again new channel | 20:35 |
| ikonia | maybe worth considering splitting it ? | 20:35 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: ummmm | 20:35 |
| ikonia | only a thought | 20:35 |
| stdin | kubuntu-kde4 will not be permanent and once gutsy is out KDE4 support will be in #kubuntu | 20:36 |
| ikonia | stdin: seems reasonable once the initial hardy bang has happened | 20:37 |
| Darkmystere_ | Well Thanks for ur help guys hope to have previlages again =-) Also ikonia sorry about the paste thing i was trying to keep my errors in #ubuntu so others could learn off of it | 20:37 |
| ikonia | Darkmystere_: don't worry about it | 20:37 |
| stdin | yeah, I meant hardy not gutsy. too may things going on here :p | 20:37 |
| nalioth | but #kubuntu-kde4 is DATED. | 20:37 |
| ikonia | oopos | 20:37 |
| nalioth | it will be closed in 3 months time | 20:37 |
| ikonia | oops | 20:38 |
| nalioth | whereas, #kubuntu+1 (also unnecessary, imho) would be viable forever | 20:38 |
| Darkmystere_ | Hardy Heron is already out? | 20:38 |
| nalioth | and would serve the exact same purpose | 20:38 |
| ikonia | Darkmystere_: no | 20:38 |
| nalioth | i just don't think this was thought out well | 20:38 |
| Darkmystere_ | Ikonia: Oh i Heard when i googled that they wher releasing a Ubuntu 8.10 I was wondering why there wasnt a 8.04 I think they wher releasing in June or somthing | 20:39 |
| stdin | nalioth: we don't expect to need another channel after hardy release, then kubuntu will be kde4 and, optionally, kde3. and with a +1 then it would be used for any hardy (or whatever the +1 is at the time) support, which should only be in #ubuntu+1 | 20:40 |
| LjL | see, in any case it's late to debate it now | 20:41 |
| stdin | kde4 specific support (focusing on gutsy) is the reason for -kde | 20:41 |
| stdin | *-kde4 | 20:41 |
| Darkmystere_ | stdin: Do u know any New feature that Hardy May release? | 20:41 |
| LjL | !hardy | 20:42 |
| ubotu | Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu | 20:42 |
| stdin | Darkmystere_: this really isn't the place to discuss | 20:42 |
| Darkmystere_ | stdin: Well i heard u talking about it well nevermind.. | 20:43 |
| stdin | Darkmystere_: I was talking about the channels, not the products | 20:43 |
| nalioth | i honestly do not see why we have to have #kubuntu-kde4 when we have #ubuntu+1 | 20:43 |
| ikonia | nalioth kde 4 isn't + 1 | 20:43 |
| ikonia | nalioth: ked 3.5 is | 20:44 |
| LjL | eh? | 20:44 |
| ikonia | LjL: hardy is release with 3.5 as I read | 20:44 |
| LjL | ikonia: nope | 20:44 |
| stdin | nalioth: +1 is hardy (right now), where to people running gutsy ask? | 20:44 |
| ikonia | oooh ? | 20:44 |
| ikonia | LjL: is it now shipping with 4 ? | 20:45 |
| LjL | ikonia: hardy will have kde 4.0.x by default for new installs, though kde 3.5 for upgrades | 20:45 |
| ikonia | LjL: I've totally read that wrong | 20:45 |
| LjL | ikonia: it will also have a shorter-than-usual support time, as far as i understand it | 20:46 |
| Darkmystere_ | If i may ask again Could i have my privilages back if im Acting good? | 20:46 |
| ikonia | LjL: jpatrick educated me on the non-lts reasons which I thought was a solid stance | 20:47 |
| crdlb | ikonia: I think it's a recent change | 20:47 |
| LjL | ikonia: but i mean even shorter than non-LTS | 20:47 |
| ikonia | LjL: oooh | 20:47 |
| ikonia | crdlb: ahh thank you | 20:47 |
| ikonia | crdlb: thought I may have been going nuts | 20:47 |
| LjL | Darkmystere_: ask again tomorrow | 20:48 |
| Darkmystere_ | LjL: Ok... | 20:48 |
| nalioth | stdin: kde4 is _still_ unofficial in gutsy | 20:56 |
| nalioth | stdin: if it's not, y'all need to update the packages to state otherwise | 20:57 |
| LjL | where do they state they're unofficial? | 20:58 |
| stdin | nalioth: it's unofficial then questions about it should not go in #kubuntu, so where? | 20:58 |
| nalioth | stdin: #kde ? | 20:58 |
| LjL | i doubt #kde will take questions about the ppa/backports packages. | 20:58 |
| stdin | and what if #kde says go ask in the distro channel? | 20:59 |
| stdin | (which they probably will for some things) | 20:59 |
| LjL | see kde 4 is in backports, backports is official, kde 4 is official. syllogism. | 21:00 |
| stdin | the point is, the packages are community supported, and it's best not to mix that with official support in #kubuntu anyway | 21:00 |
| nalioth | i think all this should have been thought out more carefully. if the packages are supported, the questions should be in #kubuntu | 21:00 |
| LjL | the entire Universe is "community supported" | 21:00 |
| nalioth | then kde4 should be supported in #kubuntu along with the rest of uni and multi | 21:00 |
| LjL | nalioth, there is the precedent of #ubuntu-effects. | 21:01 |
| LjL | aka #ubuntu-xgl | 21:01 |
| LjL | all of that stuff *was* in universe (albeit pretty old versions) for a long time, we just decided it was unstable enough and the questions noisy enough to be moved out of #ubuntu, i think. | 21:02 |
| * PriceChild dances around to muse | 21:12 | |
| ikonia | muse fan huh | 21:16 |
| * ompaul is listening to cuban jazz | 21:17 | |
| ikonia | ompaul: it's Rory time again | 21:20 |
| ompaul | ikonia, :) | 21:20 |
| ompaul | ikonia, I just had an afternoon / evening of scorpions and UFO | 21:20 |
| ikonia | cool | 21:20 |
| ompaul | it was | 21:20 |
| ompaul | ikonia, BOO! | 21:22 |
| Daviey | @btlogin | 21:23 |
| Tm_T | laa | 21:24 |
| Daviey | bt poorly | 21:26 |
| ikonia | boo ? | 21:30 |
| Jack_Sparrow | Who ? | 21:34 |
| PriceChild | Hehe I love garrett's post | 21:50 |
| LjL | hello NoFox, how can i help you? | 23:26 |
| Tm_T | LjL: apparently can't :( | 23:28 |
| LjL | hello NoFox, how can i help you? | 23:31 |
| NoFox | i was automatically redirected here from ubuntu | 23:32 |
| NoFox | and I can't figure out how to close this tab in chatzilla | 23:32 |
| NoFox | sorry | 23:32 |
| LjL | i see, will help you with that | 23:33 |
| LjL | don't know what he did in #ubuntu, but he's banned from enough other channels... | 23:34 |
| ikonia | sounds interesting | 23:35 |
| ikonia | does it say wht for on the other channels ? | 23:35 |
| PriceChild | grr | 23:36 |
| ikonia | what's up | 23:38 |
| PriceChild | The changing of the nick | 23:38 |
| LjL | ikonia: i haven't checked the logs... it's hard to check them for #ubuntu because (surprisingly) he had another nickname, but i can see which one | 23:38 |
| LjL | can't see | 23:38 |
| LjL | hello SirBob1701, how can i help you? | 23:39 |
| PriceChild | If you're banned, you're banned for a reason and you should make it right instead of evading. | 23:39 |
| SirBob1701 | can someone test unblock me from. i got hit with dcc exploit | 23:39 |
| SirBob1701 | i'm at school now so it should not be an issue. | 23:39 |
| PriceChild | SirBob1701, Please follow the same procedure when you get back home | 23:39 |
| PriceChild | SirBob1701, ensure you are connected on port 8001 | 23:39 |
| SirBob1701 | i am | 23:40 |
| PriceChild | because otherwise you'll have to go through this again. | 23:40 |
| SirBob1701 | ok | 23:40 |
| PriceChild | SirBob1701, you may rejoin. | 23:40 |
| SirBob1701 | PriceChild: thank you for your help | 23:40 |
| LjL | meh sorry, client crashed | 23:43 |
| PriceChild | life goes on | 23:45 |
| LjL | slowly | 23:45 |
| LjL | when i get disconnected, it takes like ages to resync to my proxy | 23:45 |
| LjL | i sent that message at 0:41 :) | 23:46 |
| PriceChild | Hey njan, SportChick. | 23:59 |
| njan | heya PriceChild | 23:59 |
| njan | how goes it? | 23:59 |
| ikonia | not seen SportChick for a while | 23:59 |
| PriceChild | It goes :) | 23:59 |
| PriceChild | ikonia, indeed, something must be afoot | 23:59 |
| PriceChild | Hope all is well with you njan. | 23:59 |
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