[00:01] PriceChild: of course, it's every compositor [00:01] although we have a solution :) [00:02] Amaranth, I thought it was just 965 from your blog :) And wooo... more than theoretical? [00:02] Well, we know it works [00:02] We just don't know if we can make compiz do it automatically [00:03] can't it just be doing it all the time? [00:03] Haha, let me explain [00:04] ahh how naive i am [00:04] Basically the original idea was to stick a window in the area that needed to be covered [00:04] But not a top-level window, that (obviously) doesn't work anymoe [00:04] anymore [00:04] But compiz can certainly grab a random top-level window and shove a new child window inside it [00:05] Although now we're going with just using XShape to shape the hidden section of the window away [00:05] The problem is, of course, figuring out what parts should be overlapping [00:06] Thanks to the nature of compositing only the compositor has any chance of knowing [00:06] erm... of course :) [00:06] Otherwise I suspect X would have done something like this already [00:07] Of course once you get into transformations the whole thing just falls apart [00:08] We'll have to find some way to detect animations, switcher, cube, etc and just completely shape away at least the GL part of the window [00:09] And this is only going to be possible at all because we control the whole stack so we can add a patch in mesa to set an X property on windows that have OpenGL inside them so that compiz can find them [00:09] Lots of gotchas in there, that's why I didn't just talk about it in the blog [00:09] Well, and it'd make the blog post 3x longer [00:10] hehe [00:11] Also, I've got about two more solid blog posts in me then I'm out of ideas, why waste one smushing things together? [01:12] Can someone please take care of choudesh_ (i=choudesh@12.104.116.38) in #ubuntu-motu? He or she is having connectivity issues and have been spamming the channel for the last few hours [01:13] They seem unresponsive [01:18] Ok, we took care of it :) [01:53] In #ubuntu-offtopic, soldats said: ubotu isnt so smart now is it [02:26] hm not a new name chousesh [02:55] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !cf is !compiz-fusion [02:55] * MenZa nods. [02:57] !cf [02:57] Sorry, I don't know anything about cf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [02:57] !-compiz-fusion [02:57] compiz-fusion is compiz - added by jrib on 2007-09-15 01:44:26 [02:57] !cf is compiz [02:57] I'll remember that, Pici [02:57] poof! [02:57] Pici, lazy :P [02:58] !lazy [02:58] But perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead... [02:59] perhaps i should delete that one [02:59] or not [03:03] !-lazy [03:03] lazy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-28 03:07:01 [03:10] I like it. [03:29] posingaspopular called the ops in #ubuntu-us () [05:12] In ubotu, RB2 said: !foo is foo [05:13] * crdlb is enlightened [05:23] aww, not him again [05:23] he just signed on for you, elkbuntu [05:24] join > spam > quit [05:24] indeed [05:26] finger_: is there something we can help you with? Cómo podemos ayudarte? [05:29] thanks but no [05:30] I just leaving the channel [05:30] bye [06:37] When I do !find and ubotu responds with blah (and 5 others).. how do I see those "5 others"? [06:40] say !more !more !more :P [06:40] * nalioth has no clue [06:43] @more usually [06:43] !find lib [06:43] Found: apt, apt-utils, binutils-dev, cgilib, cracklib-runtime (and 7065 others) [06:43] @more [06:43] !more [06:43] Sorry, I don't know anything about more - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [06:44] @more find lib [06:44] hrm [06:44] no idea [09:36] ardchoille: you cant. I ask Sev.eas one day - it doesnt work with the apt searching. [09:40] jussi01: Ok, thanks for the info [09:40] ardchoille: it does work with factoids and stuff though [09:52] It does? [09:57] yeah, with any 2 more lines or whatever... anything from the bot it should work, except apt packages. [10:05] jussi01: I think I've seen that with the !flash factoid [10:06] ardchoille: I dont think so, that automatically pulls !flashissues. it usually only happens when configuring the bot [10:06] hi Hobbsee [10:07] hiya [10:11] jussi01: ok [10:36] Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime! [10:37] !list [10:37] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [10:39] Needs to change is name [10:48] er, im not entirely sure what he said, but i'm suspect it's not on-topic for wherever he joined [10:48] He said "A greeting to all souls" [10:49] Anime = ?? [10:49] "A greeting to all living souls" [10:49] ah [10:49] Sorry [10:56] * jpatrick wakes up, takes one look at #ubuntu-es, and asks himself WTH happened [11:02] elkbuntu, nalioth, LjL, etc: this is my request to overturn the decision of the #kubuntu-kde4 channel, which you've gone and locked, and forwarded, without consulting the kubuntu council, or the current contact of #kubuntu. [11:02] * Hobbsee thinks it's wrong, and thinks that the people who actually run kubuntu-based stuff should have been consulted first. [11:03] kubuntu council really should have control of it's own support - not have it defined by a bunch of people who use gnome, and don't use kde3 and kde4, and see the difference. [11:04] the kubuntu council, and those of kubuntu took it to vote in the latest meeting, and decided. You had absolutely no reason to overturn them, on a decision that related to them, and not to you. [12:07] * Hobbsee doesn't get why you'd go to a development channel for user support. [12:09] from opera. [12:09] on windows. [12:27] Hobbsee, five letters t r o l l ? [12:27] no idea what you are talking about but there ya go [12:27] unsure [12:27] apparently ukranian [13:24] Couple of new members this morning? :) [13:29] * Hobbsee plays feed the troll [13:29] where? [13:30] got it [13:33] hehe at persia in -motu === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic [15:27] [16:27:19] [Invite] Xintruder invited you to channel #ubuntu-qa. [15:27] is he doing that with anyone else? [15:28] Gah random freeze... didn't happen at all yday with acerhk :/ === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [15:29] I guess that's because we slightly helped him? [15:29] afraid so [15:29] *shivers* [15:29] just want to make sure he isn't inviting people at random from #ubuntu though [15:31] [16:29:15] setting locoteams is some work eh.... lol [16:29:19] needs effort and time [16:30:27] hmmm... I guess I need bots... [16:30:29] lol [15:31] why is this *always* the first thing these people think about when making a channel? [15:31] :) [15:32] PriceChild: just to check and be sure. Is kubuntu-kde4 "officially formed" now? (but not officially open yet?) or not? [15:33] stdin: i don't know if it's officially anything... i still personally think it's most likely not really needed [15:34] well it exists and now has an access list, and I've seen some discussion about it in -devel, so not sure [15:34] stdin, I'm inclined to side with hobbsee seen as she's dev and contact for #kubuntu. She thinks its best that kde4 discussion is seperated from kde3 for the time being. [15:35] I agree on the "for the time being" part totally, I don't think it should be a permanent/long term thing [15:35] indeed [15:36] i definitely don't think *hardy*'s kde4 (seeing as it's default) should be supported in anything else than #kubuntu [15:36] as for the rest, i don't quite agree, but *shrug* [15:37] LjL: when hardy is out it should be supported in #kubuntu (kde3 or kde4) yes [15:37] yup [15:47] LjL: could you change !kde4 ? [15:48] jpatrick, suggest a change :) [15:48] LongPointyStick: however, the kubuntu council never got in contact with us telling us that #kubuntu-kde4 was voted on and approved. and you certainly could, as i've privately asked you about it. the channel was closed because most of us here (including the currently active #kubuntu ops) were under the impression it was not yet open for business or even decided. the access list didn't have any #kubuntu ops in it except jussi01. [15:48] this is in response to 11:02 UTC [15:49] In ubotu, jpatrick said: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu-kde4 [15:50] !kde4 is KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [15:50] But kde4 already means something else! [15:50] !no kde4 is KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [15:50] I'll remember that LjL [15:57] so we are officially open for business then? :) [16:01] jussi01: yes [16:06] jussi01: please, mlock -s and add freenode/staff/* to the access list [16:08] LjL: staff is on it [16:08] don't use that freenode/staff*... i made a typo in a document once, and it's perpetuating [16:08] LjL: you have access also [16:09] the mask is *!*@freenode/staff/* [16:14] while we're nitpicking masks, *!*@*/*PriceChild will work fine for him (on another note, how did PriceChild get an uppercase ubuntu cloak?) [16:14] nalioth, Jenda was feeling generous (Its all his fault) [16:15] nalioth, and what exactly prevents someone else from having a cloak ending with "pricechild"? [16:15] not nitpick by not nitpick, we end up with access lists being a horrible mess [16:16] master nick for individuals, x/x/* for groups, it's that easy [16:41] #ubuntu-kde4 registered and forwarded to #kubuntu-kde4 [16:59] !ping [16:59] yikes... [16:59] pong [17:03] PriceChild: it was already gone... [17:03] jussi01, try @login and @btlogin [17:03] @btlogin [17:04] jussi01, its still there at the bottom [17:04] jussi01, first @login [17:04] Seveas: @login works, but @btlogin gives Error: Authntication failed [17:04] oh [17:05] @btlogin [17:05] Seveas: works now, thanks :) [17:07] PriceChild: done [17:08] jussi01, thankyou [17:08] PriceChild: yw :) [17:08] In ubotu, mok0 said: !maintainer is The Maintainer: field in debian/control should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often "ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com" for Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field XSBC-Original-Maintainer: [17:10] incoming (rdz11) [17:10] !maintainer is The "Maintainer" field in a package's information (debian/control) should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often the !MOTU for !Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field "XSBC-Original-Maintainer". [17:10] I'll remember that, LjL [17:11] Hello All, Hi, I was banned of the #ubuntu IRC channel last night, I think because I was speaking in another language with another person, anyways, is there a way to get this ban lifted? I didn't know that speaking in another language was wrong, I was not even warned, I'm sorry [17:12] rdz11: what was your nickname then? [17:13] LjL: "captaincrunch", but I changed it to "rdz11" and I get the same message [17:14] rdz11, please don't change your nick to try and evade a ban [17:14] rdz11, you have been warned *several* times actually. [17:14] !en | rdz11 [17:14] rdz11: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [17:14] rdz11, i'll lift the ban, but in the future please *read* what people tell you. i'm sure your client has a highlighting function that helps with that. [17:15] !etiquette > rdz11 (rdz11, see the private message from Ubotu) [17:16] LjL: maybe I was, but I was so into helping the other buddy that I didn't read those warnings, but I'll be more careful, thanks LjL [17:47] LjL, a ban of yours on "_KAMI2" (now online under "_KAMI3") has stopped affecting him due to dymanic ip. He's just mentioned happily to me in pm that he can get back in. [17:48] PriceChild: sure _kami3 is the current (or just past) nickname? [17:49] he's the one that started the convo with me in the first place, mentioning that he could enter again [17:49] but _kami3 is not online nor on /whowas either [17:49] gah sorry I've got it the wrong way around. [17:49] ah [17:49] was banned as _kami3 [17:49] now online as _kami2 [17:50] he isn't in #ubuntu now though [17:50] realizes he's still supposed to be banned? [17:51] I think he just thinks it was removed. [17:51] well i'll just keep kami on hilight [17:52] Shall we remove the ineffecive ban? [18:15] did we miss something on the -classroom calendar, or is crimsun just holding a scratch class? [18:16] "[19:05:14] ok, carried over from #ubuntu-motu, we'll be looking at paman in hardy" [18:16] LjL: right, i got that. i'm still confused [18:17] well i'm not in -motu, i dunno [18:18] nalioth: topic says it's "REVU day", so i suppose they might be holding tutorials, but (surprisingly) realized that hindered operations in -motu... [18:24] aha [18:49] !opabuse | PriceChild [18:49] PriceChild: leave the ops alone ktnxbye [18:55] rawr [19:07] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Darkmystere said: !Nickrud is One of the most helpful people u could ever meet [19:07] !botabuse > darkmystere (darkmystere, see the private message from Ubotu) [19:14] In #kubuntu, crimsun said: ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/ [19:18] !dma [19:18] dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA [19:18] ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/ [19:18] I'll remember that LjL [19:20] In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !no, !properenglish is English is a language with rules, grammar, and correct spellings. Please don't abuse it with AIM-speak and misspelling common words because you are lazy or just being stupid. [19:23] In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !ebonics is Wut'up dog, Hommie G in da hizhous [19:32] watch boinker and cre8torx, i believe they're really the same person (see the latter's host) [19:40] I hate to pick nits, but I really don't like the way !enter looks now [19:41] err !ask [19:41] !ask [19:41] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [19:41] !enter [19:41] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [19:41] crdlb: seems quite tidy ? what don't you like [19:41] I meant !ask, I wasn't paying attention [19:42] oooh [19:42] the weird -- thingies and the random 'All On One Line' capitalisation [19:44] ahh, so it's not the wording it's the slack bits in it [20:12] hi kids [20:13] * ikonia nods respectfully [20:25] In ubotu, stdin said: !no offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [20:26] anyone care to add? [20:26] shouldn't it say something about using #kubuntu for non-kde4 support? [20:26] possibly yeah [20:27] stdin: do that and I'll add [20:27] like "#kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!" [20:27] stdin: great [20:28] Could i have my Ubotu ignore remove if i act nicely? [20:28] Removed Sorry [20:30] ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 [20:30] ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [20:30] I'll remember that, Tm_T [20:31] stdin: ok? [20:31] yep :) [20:33] i just think it's all unnecessary. [20:34] why not #ubuntu+1 ? at the most, #kubuntu+1 if the traffic in #kubuntu is getting that bad [20:34] nalioth: I think your going to get a lot of "I want kde4 " taffic [20:34] so? [20:35] nalioth: I do somewhat agree that [20:35] once again new channel [20:35] maybe worth considering splitting it ? [20:35] ikonia: ummmm [20:35] only a thought [20:36] kubuntu-kde4 will not be permanent and once gutsy is out KDE4 support will be in #kubuntu [20:37] stdin: seems reasonable once the initial hardy bang has happened [20:37] Well Thanks for ur help guys hope to have previlages again =-) Also ikonia sorry about the paste thing i was trying to keep my errors in #ubuntu so others could learn off of it [20:37] Darkmystere_: don't worry about it [20:37] yeah, I meant hardy not gutsy. too may things going on here :p [20:37] but #kubuntu-kde4 is DATED. [20:37] oopos [20:37] it will be closed in 3 months time [20:38] oops [20:38] whereas, #kubuntu+1 (also unnecessary, imho) would be viable forever [20:38] Hardy Heron is already out? [20:38] and would serve the exact same purpose [20:38] Darkmystere_: no [20:38] i just don't think this was thought out well [20:39] Ikonia: Oh i Heard when i googled that they wher releasing a Ubuntu 8.10 I was wondering why there wasnt a 8.04 I think they wher releasing in June or somthing [20:40] nalioth: we don't expect to need another channel after hardy release, then kubuntu will be kde4 and, optionally, kde3. and with a +1 then it would be used for any hardy (or whatever the +1 is at the time) support, which should only be in #ubuntu+1 [20:41] see, in any case it's late to debate it now [20:41] kde4 specific support (focusing on gutsy) is the reason for -kde [20:41] *-kde4 [20:41] stdin: Do u know any New feature that Hardy May release? [20:42] !hardy [20:42] Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu [20:42] Darkmystere_: this really isn't the place to discuss [20:43] stdin: Well i heard u talking about it well nevermind.. [20:43] Darkmystere_: I was talking about the channels, not the products [20:43] i honestly do not see why we have to have #kubuntu-kde4 when we have #ubuntu+1 [20:43] nalioth kde 4 isn't + 1 [20:44] nalioth: ked 3.5 is [20:44] eh? [20:44] LjL: hardy is release with 3.5 as I read [20:44] ikonia: nope [20:44] nalioth: +1 is hardy (right now), where to people running gutsy ask? [20:44] oooh ? [20:45] LjL: is it now shipping with 4 ? [20:45] ikonia: hardy will have kde 4.0.x by default for new installs, though kde 3.5 for upgrades [20:45] LjL: I've totally read that wrong [20:46] ikonia: it will also have a shorter-than-usual support time, as far as i understand it [20:46] If i may ask again Could i have my privilages back if im Acting good? [20:47] LjL: jpatrick educated me on the non-lts reasons which I thought was a solid stance [20:47] ikonia: I think it's a recent change [20:47] ikonia: but i mean even shorter than non-LTS [20:47] LjL: oooh [20:47] crdlb: ahh thank you [20:47] crdlb: thought I may have been going nuts [20:48] Darkmystere_: ask again tomorrow [20:48] LjL: Ok... [20:56] stdin: kde4 is _still_ unofficial in gutsy [20:57] stdin: if it's not, y'all need to update the packages to state otherwise [20:58] where do they state they're unofficial? [20:58] nalioth: it's unofficial then questions about it should not go in #kubuntu, so where? [20:58] stdin: #kde ? [20:58] i doubt #kde will take questions about the ppa/backports packages. [20:59] and what if #kde says go ask in the distro channel? [20:59] (which they probably will for some things) [21:00] see kde 4 is in backports, backports is official, kde 4 is official. syllogism. [21:00] the point is, the packages are community supported, and it's best not to mix that with official support in #kubuntu anyway [21:00] i think all this should have been thought out more carefully. if the packages are supported, the questions should be in #kubuntu [21:00] the entire Universe is "community supported" [21:00] then kde4 should be supported in #kubuntu along with the rest of uni and multi [21:01] nalioth, there is the precedent of #ubuntu-effects. [21:01] aka #ubuntu-xgl [21:02] all of that stuff *was* in universe (albeit pretty old versions) for a long time, we just decided it was unstable enough and the questions noisy enough to be moved out of #ubuntu, i think. [21:12] * PriceChild dances around to muse [21:16] muse fan huh [21:17] * ompaul is listening to cuban jazz [21:20] ompaul: it's Rory time again [21:20] ikonia, :) [21:20] ikonia, I just had an afternoon / evening of scorpions and UFO [21:20] cool [21:20] it was [21:22] ikonia, BOO! [21:23] @btlogin [21:24] laa [21:26] bt poorly [21:30] boo ? [21:34] Who ? [21:50] Hehe I love garrett's post [23:26] hello NoFox, how can i help you? [23:28] LjL: apparently can't :( [23:31] hello NoFox, how can i help you? [23:32] i was automatically redirected here from ubuntu [23:32] and I can't figure out how to close this tab in chatzilla [23:32] sorry [23:33] i see, will help you with that [23:34] don't know what he did in #ubuntu, but he's banned from enough other channels... [23:35] sounds interesting [23:35] does it say wht for on the other channels ? [23:36] grr [23:38] what's up [23:38] The changing of the nick [23:38] ikonia: i haven't checked the logs... it's hard to check them for #ubuntu because (surprisingly) he had another nickname, but i can see which one [23:38] can't see [23:39] hello SirBob1701, how can i help you? [23:39] If you're banned, you're banned for a reason and you should make it right instead of evading. [23:39] can someone test unblock me from. i got hit with dcc exploit [23:39] i'm at school now so it should not be an issue. [23:39] SirBob1701, Please follow the same procedure when you get back home [23:39] SirBob1701, ensure you are connected on port 8001 [23:40] i am [23:40] because otherwise you'll have to go through this again. [23:40] ok [23:40] SirBob1701, you may rejoin. [23:40] PriceChild: thank you for your help [23:43] meh sorry, client crashed [23:45] life goes on [23:45] slowly [23:45] when i get disconnected, it takes like ages to resync to my proxy [23:46] i sent that message at 0:41 :) [23:59] Hey njan, SportChick. [23:59] heya PriceChild [23:59] how goes it? [23:59] not seen SportChick for a while [23:59] It goes :) [23:59] ikonia, indeed, something must be afoot [23:59] Hope all is well with you njan.