[00:01] <Amaranth> PriceChild: of course, it's every compositor
[00:01] <Amaranth> although we have a solution :)
[00:02] <PriceChild> Amaranth, I thought it was just 965 from your blog :) And wooo... more than theoretical?
[00:02] <Amaranth> Well, we know it works
[00:02] <Amaranth> We just don't know if we can make compiz do it automatically
[00:03] <PriceChild> can't it just be doing it all the time?
[00:03] <Amaranth> Haha, let me explain
[00:04] <PriceChild> ahh how naive i am
[00:04] <Amaranth> Basically the original idea was to stick a window in the area that needed to be covered
[00:04] <Amaranth> But not a top-level window, that (obviously) doesn't work anymoe
[00:04] <Amaranth> anymore
[00:04] <Amaranth> But compiz can certainly grab a random top-level window and shove a new child window inside it
[00:05] <Amaranth> Although now we're going with just using XShape to shape the hidden section of the window away
[00:05] <Amaranth> The problem is, of course, figuring out what parts should be overlapping
[00:06] <Amaranth> Thanks to the nature of compositing only the compositor has any chance of knowing
[00:06] <PriceChild> erm... of course :)
[00:06] <Amaranth> Otherwise I suspect X would have done something like this already
[00:07] <Amaranth> Of course once you get into transformations the whole thing just falls apart
[00:08] <Amaranth> We'll have to find some way to detect animations, switcher, cube, etc and just completely shape away at least the GL part of the window
[00:09] <Amaranth> And this is only going to be possible at all because we control the whole stack so we can add a patch in mesa to set an X property on windows that have OpenGL inside them so that compiz can find them
[00:09] <Amaranth> Lots of gotchas in there, that's why I didn't just talk about it in the blog
[00:09] <Amaranth> Well, and it'd make the blog post 3x longer
[00:10] <PriceChild> hehe
[00:11] <Amaranth> Also, I've got about two more solid blog posts in me then I'm out of ideas, why waste one smushing things together?
[01:12] <somerville32> Can someone please take care of choudesh_ (i=choudesh@12.104.116.38) in #ubuntu-motu? He or she is having connectivity issues and have been spamming the channel for the last few hours
[01:13] <somerville32> They seem unresponsive
[01:18] <somerville32> Ok, we took care of it :)
[01:53] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, soldats said:  ubotu isnt so smart now is it
[02:26] <LjL> hm not a new name chousesh
[02:55] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !cf is <alias> !compiz-fusion
[02:55]  * MenZa nods.
[02:57] <Pici> !cf
[02:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:57] <Pici> !-compiz-fusion
[02:57] <ubotu> compiz-fusion is <alias> compiz - added by jrib on 2007-09-15 01:44:26
[02:57] <Pici> !cf is <alias> compiz
[02:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[02:57] <Pici> poof!
[02:57] <no0tic> Pici, lazy :P
[02:58] <LjL> !lazy
[02:58] <ubotu> But perhaps operators are lazy, and would rather wait for you to submit a good factoid entry instead...
[02:59] <LjL> perhaps i should delete that one
[02:59] <LjL> or not
[03:03] <no0tic> !-lazy
[03:03] <ubotu> lazy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2007-12-28 03:07:01
[03:10] <Pici> I like it.
[03:29] <ubotu> posingaspopular called the ops in #ubuntu-us ()
[05:12] <ubotu> In ubotu, RB2 said: !foo is foo
[05:13]  * crdlb is enlightened
[05:23] <elkbuntu> aww, not him again
[05:23] <nalioth> he just signed on for you, elkbuntu
[05:24] <nalioth> join > spam > quit
[05:24] <elkbuntu> indeed
[05:26] <nalioth> finger_: is there something we can help you with? Cómo podemos ayudarte?
[05:29] <finger_> thanks but no
[05:30] <finger_> I just leaving the channel
[05:30] <finger_> bye
[06:37] <ardchoille> When I do !find <package> and ubotu responds with blah (and 5 others).. how do I see those "5 others"?
[06:40] <nalioth>  say !more !more !more  :P
[06:40]  * nalioth has no clue
[06:43] <Hobbsee> @more usually
[06:43] <Hobbsee> !find lib
[06:43] <ubotu> Found: apt, apt-utils, binutils-dev, cgilib, cracklib-runtime (and 7065 others)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> @more
[06:43] <Hobbsee> !more
[06:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about more - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:44] <Hobbsee> @more find lib
[06:44] <Hobbsee> hrm
[06:44] <Hobbsee> no idea
[09:36] <jussi01> ardchoille: you cant. I ask Sev.eas one day - it doesnt work with the apt searching.
[09:40] <ardchoille> jussi01: Ok, thanks for the info
[09:40] <jussi01> ardchoille: it does work with factoids and stuff though
[09:52] <ardchoille> It does?
[09:57] <jussi01> yeah, with any 2 more lines or whatever... anything from the bot it should work, except apt packages.
[10:05] <ardchoille> jussi01: I think I've seen that with the !flash factoid
[10:06] <jussi01> ardchoille: I dont think so, that automatically pulls !flashissues. it usually only happens when configuring the bot
[10:06] <jussi01> hi Hobbsee
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hiya
[10:11] <ardchoille> jussi01: ok
[10:36] <cook63> Un Saluto a Tutte Le Anime!
[10:37] <cook63> !list
[10:37] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[10:39] <ardchoille> Needs to change is name
[10:48] <elkbuntu> er, im not entirely sure what he said, but i'm suspect it's not on-topic for wherever he joined
[10:48] <ardchoille> He said "A greeting to all souls"
[10:49] <elkbuntu> Anime = ??
[10:49] <ardchoille> "A greeting to all living souls"
[10:49] <elkbuntu> ah
[10:49] <ardchoille> Sorry
[10:56]  * jpatrick wakes up, takes one look at #ubuntu-es, and asks himself WTH happened
[11:02] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu, nalioth, LjL, etc:  this is my request to overturn the decision of the #kubuntu-kde4 channel, which you've gone and locked, and forwarded, without consulting the kubuntu council, or the current contact of #kubuntu.
[11:02]  * Hobbsee thinks it's wrong, and thinks that the people who actually run kubuntu-based stuff should have been consulted first.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> kubuntu council really should have control of it's own support - not have it defined by a bunch of people who use gnome, and don't use kde3 and kde4, and see the difference.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> the kubuntu council, and those of kubuntu took it to vote in the latest meeting, and decided.  You had absolutely no reason to overturn them, on a decision that related to them, and not to you.
[12:07]  * Hobbsee doesn't get why you'd go to a development channel for user support.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> from opera.
[12:09] <Hobbsee> on windows.
[12:27] <ompaul> Hobbsee, five letters t r o l l ?
[12:27] <ompaul> no idea what you are talking about but there ya go
[12:27] <Hobbsee> unsure
[12:27] <Hobbsee> apparently ukranian
[13:24] <PriceChild> Couple of new members this morning? :)
[13:29]  * Hobbsee plays feed the troll
[13:29] <PriceChild> where?
[13:30] <PriceChild> got it
[13:33] <PriceChild> hehe at persia in -motu
[15:27] <LjL> [16:27:19] [Invite] Xintruder invited you to channel #ubuntu-qa.
[15:27] <LjL> is he doing that with anyone else?
[15:28] <Pricey> Gah random freeze... didn't happen at all yday with acerhk :/
[15:29] <PriceChild> I guess that's because we slightly helped him?
[15:29] <LjL> afraid so
[15:29] <LjL> *shivers*
[15:29] <LjL> just want to make sure he isn't inviting people at random from #ubuntu though
[15:31] <LjL> [16:29:15] <Xintruder> setting locoteams is some work eh.... lol [16:29:19] <Xintruder> needs effort and time [16:30:27] <Xintruder> hmmm... I guess I need bots... [16:30:29] <Xintruder> lol
[15:31] <LjL> why is this *always* the first thing these people think about when making a channel?
[15:31] <PriceChild> :)
[15:32] <stdin> PriceChild: just to check and be sure. Is kubuntu-kde4 "officially formed" now? (but not officially open yet?) or not?
[15:33] <LjL> stdin: i don't know if it's officially anything... i still personally think it's most likely not really needed
[15:34] <stdin> well it exists and now has an access list, and I've seen some discussion about it in -devel, so not sure
[15:34] <PriceChild> stdin, I'm inclined to side with hobbsee seen as she's dev and contact for #kubuntu. She thinks its best that kde4 discussion is seperated from kde3 for the time being.
[15:35] <stdin> I agree on the "for the time being" part totally, I don't think it should be a permanent/long term thing
[15:35] <PriceChild> indeed
[15:36] <LjL> i definitely don't think *hardy*'s kde4 (seeing as it's default) should be supported in anything else than #kubuntu
[15:36] <LjL> as for the rest, i don't quite agree, but *shrug*
[15:37] <stdin> LjL: when hardy is out it should be supported in #kubuntu (kde3 or kde4) yes
[15:37] <PriceChild> yup
[15:47] <jpatrick> LjL: could you change !kde4 ?
[15:48] <PriceChild> jpatrick, suggest a change :)
[15:48] <LjL> LongPointyStick: however, the kubuntu council never got in contact with us telling us that #kubuntu-kde4 was voted on and approved. and you certainly could, as i've privately asked you about it. the channel was closed because most of us here (including the currently active #kubuntu ops) were under the impression it was not yet open for business or even decided. the access list didn't have any #kubuntu ops in it except jussi01.
[15:48] <LjL> this is in response to 11:02 UTC
[15:49] <ubotu> In ubotu, jpatrick said: KDE 4 is the latest major release of the K Desktop  Environment. - KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ and support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:50] <LjL> !kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:50] <ubotu> But kde4 already means something else!
[15:50] <LjL> !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:50] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[15:57] <jussi01> so we are officially open for business then? :)
[16:01] <LjL> jussi01: yes
[16:06] <LjL> jussi01: please, mlock -s and add freenode/staff/* to the access list
[16:08] <nalioth> LjL: staff is on it
[16:08] <LjL> don't use that freenode/staff*... i made a typo in a document once, and it's perpetuating
[16:08] <jussi01> LjL: you have access also
[16:09] <LjL> the mask is *!*@freenode/staff/*
[16:14] <nalioth> while we're nitpicking masks, *!*@*/*PriceChild will work fine for him  (on another note, how did PriceChild get an uppercase ubuntu cloak?)
[16:14] <PriceChild> nalioth, Jenda was feeling generous (Its all his fault)
[16:15] <LjL> nalioth, and what exactly prevents someone else from having a cloak ending with "pricechild"?
[16:15] <LjL> not nitpick by not nitpick, we end up with access lists being a horrible mess
[16:16] <LjL> master nick for individuals, x/x/* for groups, it's that easy
[16:41] <LjL> #ubuntu-kde4 registered and forwarded to #kubuntu-kde4
[16:59] <Seveas> !ping
[16:59] <Seveas> yikes...
[16:59] <ubotu> pong
[17:03] <jussi01> PriceChild: it was already gone...
[17:03] <Seveas> jussi01, try @login and @btlogin
[17:03] <jussi01> @btlogin
[17:04] <PriceChild> jussi01, its still there at the bottom
[17:04] <Seveas> jussi01, first @login
[17:04] <jussi01> Seveas: @login works, but @btlogin gives Error: Authntication failed
[17:04] <jussi01> oh
[17:05] <jussi01> @btlogin
[17:05] <jussi01> Seveas: works now, thanks :)
[17:07] <jussi01> PriceChild: done
[17:08] <PriceChild> jussi01, thankyou
[17:08] <jussi01> PriceChild: yw :)
[17:08] <ubotu> In ubotu, mok0 said: !maintainer is The Maintainer: field in debian/control should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often "ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com" for Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field XSBC-Original-Maintainer:
[17:10] <PriceChild> incoming (rdz11)
[17:10] <LjL> !maintainer is <reply> The "Maintainer" field in a package's information (debian/control) should indicate the Ubuntu team responsible for the Ubuntu specific changes to a package (often the !MOTU for !Universe packages). The original maintainer is preserved in the field "XSBC-Original-Maintainer".
[17:10] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[17:11] <rdz11> Hello All, Hi, I was banned of the #ubuntu IRC channel last night, I think because I was speaking in another language with another person, anyways, is there a way to get this ban lifted? I didn't know that speaking in another language was wrong, I was not even warned, I'm sorry
[17:12] <LjL> rdz11: what was your nickname then?
[17:13] <rdz11> LjL: "captaincrunch", but I changed it to "rdz11" and I get the same message
[17:14] <PriceChild> rdz11, please don't change your nick to try and evade a ban
[17:14] <LjL> rdz11, you have been warned *several* times actually.
[17:14] <PriceChild> !en | rdz11
[17:14] <ubotu> rdz11: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[17:14] <LjL> rdz11, i'll lift the ban, but in the future please *read* what people tell you. i'm sure your client has a highlighting function that helps with that.
[17:15] <LjL> !etiquette > rdz11    (rdz11, see the private message from Ubotu)
[17:16] <rdz11> LjL: maybe I was, but I was so into helping the other buddy that I didn't read those warnings, but I'll be more careful, thanks LjL
[17:47] <PriceChild> LjL, a ban of yours on "_KAMI2" (now online under "_KAMI3") has stopped affecting him due to dymanic ip. He's just mentioned happily to me in pm that he can get back in.
[17:48] <LjL> PriceChild: sure _kami3 is the current (or just past) nickname?
[17:49] <PriceChild> he's the one that started the convo with me in the first place, mentioning that he could enter again
[17:49] <LjL> but _kami3 is not online nor on /whowas either
[17:49] <PriceChild> gah sorry I've got it the wrong way around.
[17:49] <LjL> ah
[17:49] <PriceChild> was banned as _kami3
[17:49] <PriceChild> now online as _kami2
[17:50] <LjL> he isn't in #ubuntu now though
[17:50] <LjL> realizes he's still supposed to be banned?
[17:51] <PriceChild> I think he just thinks it was removed.
[17:51] <LjL> well i'll just keep kami on hilight
[17:52] <PriceChild> Shall we remove the ineffecive ban?
[18:15] <nalioth> did we miss something on the -classroom calendar, or is crimsun just holding a scratch class?
[18:16] <LjL> "[19:05:14] <crimsun> ok, carried over from #ubuntu-motu, we'll be looking at paman in hardy"
[18:16] <nalioth> LjL: right, i got that. i'm still confused
[18:17] <LjL> well i'm not in -motu, i dunno
[18:18] <LjL> nalioth: topic says it's "REVU day", so i suppose they might be holding tutorials, but (surprisingly) realized that hindered operations in -motu...
[18:24] <nalioth> aha
[18:49] <LjL> !opabuse | PriceChild
[18:49] <ubotu> PriceChild: leave the ops alone ktnxbye
[18:55] <PriceChild> rawr
[19:07] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, Darkmystere said: !Nickrud is One of the most helpful people u could ever meet
[19:07] <LjL> !botabuse > darkmystere    (darkmystere, see the private message from Ubotu)
[19:14] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, crimsun said: ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/
[19:18] <LjL> !dma
[19:18] <ubotu> dma is Direct Memory Access/Addressing. It makes hard disks & optical drives transfer data faster, and is almost always enabled in Ubuntu 6.06. For more info see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DMA
[19:18] <LjL> ubotu: dma =~ s/ disks \& optical drives/ware/
[19:18] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[19:20] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !no, !properenglish is <reply>  English is a language with rules, grammar, and correct spellings.  Please don't abuse it with AIM-speak and misspelling common words because you are lazy or just being stupid.
[19:23] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, __mikem said: !ebonics is <reply> Wut'up dog, Hommie G in da hizhous
[19:32] <LjL> watch boinker and cre8torx, i believe they're really the same person (see the latter's host)
[19:40] <crdlb> I hate to pick nits, but I really don't like the way !enter looks now
[19:41] <crdlb> err !ask
[19:41] <crdlb> !ask
[19:41] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question -- All On One Line, so others can read it and follow it easily --. and if anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[19:41] <ikonia> !enter
[19:41] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[19:41] <ikonia> crdlb: seems quite tidy ? what don't you like
[19:41] <crdlb> I meant !ask, I wasn't paying attention
[19:42] <ikonia> oooh
[19:42] <crdlb> the weird -- thingies and the random 'All On One Line' capitalisation
[19:44] <ikonia> ahh, so it's not the wording it's the slack bits in it
[20:12] <Tm_T> hi kids
[20:13]  * ikonia nods respectfully
[20:25] <ubotu> In ubotu, stdin said: !no offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is <reply> #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.  Thanks!
[20:26] <stdin> anyone care to add?
[20:26] <crdlb> shouldn't it say something about using #kubuntu for non-kde4 support?
[20:26] <stdin> possibly yeah
[20:27] <Tm_T> stdin: do that and I'll add
[20:27] <stdin> like "#kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.  Thanks!"
[20:27] <Tm_T> stdin: great
[20:28] <Darkmystere_> Could i have my Ubotu ignore remove if i act nicely?
[20:28] <Darkmystere_> Removed Sorry
[20:30] <Tm_T> ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4
[20:30] <Tm_T> ubotu: offtopic-#kubuntu-kde4 is <reply> #kubuntu-kde4 is the Kubuntu KDE 4 support channel, for all Kubuntu KDE 4 related support questions. Please use #kubuntu for non-KDE 4 support and #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter.  Thanks!
[20:30] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Tm_T
[20:31] <Tm_T> stdin: ok?
[20:31] <stdin> yep :)
[20:33] <nalioth> i just think it's all unnecessary.
[20:34] <nalioth> why not #ubuntu+1 ? at the most, #kubuntu+1 if the traffic in #kubuntu is getting that bad
[20:34] <ikonia> nalioth: I think your going to get a lot of "I want kde4 " taffic
[20:34] <Tm_T> so?
[20:35] <Tm_T> nalioth: I do somewhat agree that
[20:35] <Tm_T> once again new channel
[20:35] <ikonia> maybe worth considering splitting it ?
[20:35] <Tm_T> ikonia: ummmm
[20:35] <ikonia> only a thought
[20:36] <stdin> kubuntu-kde4 will not be permanent and once gutsy is out KDE4 support will be in #kubuntu
[20:37] <ikonia> stdin: seems reasonable once the initial hardy bang has happened
[20:37] <Darkmystere_> Well Thanks for ur help guys hope to have previlages again =-) Also ikonia sorry about the paste thing i was trying to keep my errors in #ubuntu so others could learn off of it
[20:37] <ikonia> Darkmystere_: don't worry about it
[20:37] <stdin> yeah, I meant hardy not gutsy. too may things going on here :p
[20:37] <nalioth> but #kubuntu-kde4 is DATED.
[20:37] <ikonia> oopos
[20:37] <nalioth> it will be closed in 3 months time
[20:38] <ikonia> oops
[20:38] <nalioth> whereas, #kubuntu+1 (also unnecessary, imho) would be viable forever
[20:38] <Darkmystere_> Hardy Heron is already out?
[20:38] <nalioth> and would serve the exact same purpose
[20:38] <ikonia> Darkmystere_: no
[20:38] <nalioth> i just don't think this was thought out well
[20:39] <Darkmystere_> Ikonia: Oh i Heard when i googled that they wher releasing a Ubuntu 8.10 I was wondering why there wasnt a 8.04 I think they wher releasing in June or somthing
[20:40] <stdin> nalioth: we don't expect to need another channel after hardy release, then kubuntu will be kde4 and, optionally, kde3. and with a +1 then it would be used for any hardy (or whatever the +1 is at the time) support, which should only be in #ubuntu+1
[20:41] <LjL> see, in any case it's late to debate it now
[20:41] <stdin> kde4 specific support (focusing on gutsy) is the reason for -kde
[20:41] <stdin> *-kde4
[20:41] <Darkmystere_> stdin: Do u know any New feature that Hardy May release?
[20:42] <LjL> !hardy
[20:42] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[20:42] <stdin> Darkmystere_: this really isn't the place to discuss
[20:43] <Darkmystere_> stdin: Well i heard u talking about it well nevermind..
[20:43] <stdin> Darkmystere_: I was talking about the channels, not the products
[20:43] <nalioth> i honestly do not see why we have to have #kubuntu-kde4 when we have #ubuntu+1
[20:43] <ikonia> nalioth kde 4 isn't + 1
[20:44] <ikonia> nalioth: ked 3.5 is
[20:44] <LjL> eh?
[20:44] <ikonia> LjL: hardy is release with 3.5 as I read
[20:44] <LjL> ikonia: nope
[20:44] <stdin> nalioth: +1 is hardy (right now), where to people running gutsy ask?
[20:44] <ikonia> oooh ?
[20:45] <ikonia> LjL: is it now shipping with 4 ?
[20:45] <LjL> ikonia: hardy will have kde 4.0.x by default for new installs, though kde 3.5 for upgrades
[20:45] <ikonia> LjL: I've totally read that wrong
[20:46] <LjL> ikonia: it will also have a shorter-than-usual support time, as far as i understand it
[20:46] <Darkmystere_> If i may ask again Could i have my privilages back if im Acting good?
[20:47] <ikonia> LjL: jpatrick educated me on the non-lts reasons which I thought was a solid stance
[20:47] <crdlb> ikonia: I think it's a recent change
[20:47] <LjL> ikonia: but i mean even shorter than non-LTS
[20:47] <ikonia> LjL: oooh
[20:47] <ikonia> crdlb: ahh thank you
[20:47] <ikonia> crdlb: thought I may have been going nuts
[20:48] <LjL> Darkmystere_: ask again tomorrow
[20:48] <Darkmystere_> LjL: Ok...
[20:56] <nalioth> stdin: kde4 is _still_ unofficial in gutsy
[20:57] <nalioth> stdin: if it's not, y'all need to update the packages to state otherwise
[20:58] <LjL> where do they state they're unofficial?
[20:58] <stdin> nalioth: it's unofficial then questions about it should not go in #kubuntu, so where?
[20:58] <nalioth> stdin: #kde ?
[20:58] <LjL> i doubt #kde will take questions about the ppa/backports packages.
[20:59] <stdin> and what if #kde says go ask in the distro channel?
[20:59] <stdin> (which they probably will for some things)
[21:00] <LjL> see kde 4 is in backports, backports is official, kde 4 is official. syllogism.
[21:00] <stdin> the point is, the packages are community supported, and it's best not to mix that with official support in #kubuntu anyway
[21:00] <nalioth> i think all this should have been thought out more carefully.  if the packages are supported, the questions should be in #kubuntu
[21:00] <LjL> the entire Universe is "community supported"
[21:00] <nalioth> then kde4 should be supported in #kubuntu along with the rest of uni and multi
[21:01] <LjL> nalioth, there is the precedent of #ubuntu-effects.
[21:01] <LjL> aka #ubuntu-xgl
[21:02] <LjL> all of that stuff *was* in universe (albeit pretty old versions) for a long time, we just decided it was unstable enough and the questions noisy enough to be moved out of #ubuntu, i think.
[21:12]  * PriceChild dances around to muse
[21:16] <ikonia> muse fan huh
[21:17]  * ompaul is listening to cuban jazz
[21:20] <ikonia> ompaul: it's Rory time again
[21:20] <ompaul> ikonia, :)
[21:20] <ompaul> ikonia, I just had an afternoon / evening of scorpions and UFO
[21:20] <ikonia> cool
[21:20] <ompaul> it was
[21:22] <ompaul> ikonia, BOO!
[21:23] <Daviey> @btlogin
[21:24] <Tm_T> laa
[21:26] <Daviey> bt poorly
[21:30] <ikonia> boo ?
[21:34] <Jack_Sparrow> Who ?
[21:50] <PriceChild> Hehe I love garrett's post
[23:26] <LjL> hello NoFox, how can i help you?
[23:28] <Tm_T> LjL: apparently can't :(
[23:31] <LjL> hello NoFox, how can i help you?
[23:32] <NoFox> i was automatically redirected here from ubuntu
[23:32] <NoFox> and I can't figure out how to close this tab in chatzilla
[23:32] <NoFox> sorry
[23:33] <LjL> i see, will help you with that
[23:34] <LjL> don't know what he did in #ubuntu, but he's banned from enough other channels...
[23:35] <ikonia> sounds interesting
[23:35] <ikonia> does it say wht for on the other channels ?
[23:36] <PriceChild> grr
[23:38] <ikonia> what's up
[23:38] <PriceChild> The changing of the nick
[23:38] <LjL> ikonia: i haven't checked the logs... it's hard to check them for #ubuntu because (surprisingly) he had another nickname, but i can see which one
[23:38] <LjL> can't see
[23:39] <LjL> hello SirBob1701, how can i help you?
[23:39] <PriceChild> If you're banned, you're banned for a reason and you should make it right instead of evading.
[23:39] <SirBob1701> can someone test unblock me from.  i got hit with dcc exploit
[23:39] <SirBob1701> i'm at school now so it should not be an issue.
[23:39] <PriceChild> SirBob1701, Please follow the same procedure when you get back home
[23:39] <PriceChild> SirBob1701, ensure you are connected on port 8001
[23:40] <SirBob1701> i am
[23:40] <PriceChild> because otherwise you'll have to go through this again.
[23:40] <SirBob1701> ok
[23:40] <PriceChild> SirBob1701, you may rejoin.
[23:40] <SirBob1701> PriceChild: thank you for your help
[23:43] <LjL> meh sorry, client crashed
[23:45] <PriceChild> life goes on
[23:45] <LjL> slowly
[23:45] <LjL> when i get disconnected, it takes like ages to resync to my proxy
[23:46] <LjL> i sent that message at 0:41 :)
[23:59] <PriceChild> Hey njan, SportChick.
[23:59] <njan> heya PriceChild
[23:59] <njan> how goes it?
[23:59] <ikonia> not seen SportChick for a while
[23:59] <PriceChild> It goes :)
[23:59] <PriceChild> ikonia, indeed, something must be afoot
[23:59] <PriceChild> Hope all is well with you njan.