[04:29] <jamesh> is there a recommended way of building packages from snapshots of the upstream VCS?
[05:13] <superm1_> now with the topic saying that PPA appears to not be accepting uploads, does that mean it just "appears", or that it literally isn't?
[05:24] <RAOF> superm1_: It isn't.
[05:24] <superm1_> that's a shame.
[05:24] <superm1_> but also would explain my confusions
[05:24] <RAOF> Or, at least, if it is it's accepting them in a totally useless way (not building them, for example)
[05:25] <superm1_> i pushed several packages over and over thinking that soyuz was just eating them
[06:20] <jtv> Hello 'padders
[06:21] <jml> hello
[06:21] <jtv> jml: good night
[06:22] <jml> jtv: :)
[08:19] <carlos> morning
[08:46] <StevenK> Is there any status update on PPA uploads? I uploaded something large to the ubuntu-mobile PPA this morning, and I'd rather not redo it
[08:51] <BjornT> StevenK: i think you'll have to wait for cprov or bigjools to come online.
[09:49] <poolie> hi, is there any plan to track the number of downloads from the file download feature
[10:06] <ubotu> New bug: #182795 in rosetta "Import queue UI too slow" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182795
[10:09] <mpt> poolie, bug 121058
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121058 in launchpad "Show a download count for project admins on downloads page" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121058
[10:10] <poolie> thanks, got it
[10:57] <jordi> bigjools: topic lists the date for the previous devel meeting
[10:57] <bigjools> jordi: heh not my fault but thanks, I'll fix it
[10:58] <jordi> bigjools: just informing the last modifier ;)
[10:58] <jordi> thanks
[10:58] <bigjools> jordi: I realised :)
[11:17] <geser> cprov: Hi, can you check where the checkstyle binary packages went? checkstyle may got moved to universe short before the fix for the arch:all bug.
[11:19] <cprov> geser: give me a minute
[11:19] <geser> sure
[11:19] <cprov> geser: I have to deal with other issue before, then I will check it for you.
[11:33] <pochu> If a bugzilla bug was closed with status RESOLVED and resolution OBSOLETE, is it right if a bug task in Launchpad says Invalid, or should I file a bug about it? Looks to me like the right status should be Fix Released.
[11:36] <intellectronica> pochu: i think INVALID is correct, since OBSOLETE in bugzilla means that it wasn't released, no?
[11:37] <pochu> Maybe the bug wasn't closed properly, but in this case the bug is fixed in VCS.
[11:37] <pochu> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488825
[11:37] <ubotu> Gnome bug 488825 in gst-plugins-bad "ffdemux_flv: Element doesn't implement handling of this stream" [Normal,Resolved: obsolete]  - Assigned to gstreamer-bugs@lists.sourceforge.net
[11:38] <pochu> Look at comment #7
[11:38] <pochu> He said something like "It's already fixed in VCS, so closing as OBSOLETE"
[11:42] <intellectronica> pochu: yeah, which basically means - this bug is invalid, because it's no longer relevant
[11:47] <pochu> intellectronica: alright then. I'd have closed as fixed, and since I don't know bugzilla very much I was wondering whether it was ok. Thanks for looking :)
[11:48] <intellectronica> pochu: that's part of the problem with bugzilla - it's hard to know how to interpret all those different options, and different people use them for different purposes :)
[11:51] <pochu> :)
[12:07] <cprov> geser: I'm resurrect the mentioned binary publication, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/i386/checkstyle/+index. Let me know if there are others.
[12:07] <Hobbsee> hey cprov 
[12:08] <cprov> Hobbsee: hey, how is it going ?
[12:08] <geser> cprov: thanks
[12:08] <Hobbsee> cprov: it's going OK.  i haven't killed anyone yet today.
[12:08]  * Hobbsee has been preparing her bigger cellar.
[12:10] <cprov> I'm not sure, it's exactly a "good to know" news, but fine :)
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #182822 in launchpad "latest-bugs.atom feed is incorrectly named" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182822
[12:11] <Hobbsee> cprov: you of course know that the bigger cellar is because the older one is full?
[12:12] <bigjools> charming
[12:13] <Hobbsee> heh, sorry :)
[12:15] <geser> Hobbsee: do one want to know with what you've filled it? 
[12:16] <Hobbsee> geser: probably safer not to know.  but the answer should be reasonably obvious anyway
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #182828 in launchpad "launchpad should tell users that "Launchpad" is a trademark" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182828
[12:37]  * rjek shudders.
[12:38] <rjek> What's the usual lead time on somebody testing and OKing a CVS import to launchpad?
[12:39] <kiko> rjek, usually a day, but I know that mwh is on vacation. what project is yours?
[12:39] <Hobbsee> oh goody, ppa got fixed
[12:39]  * Hobbsee ponders throwing kde4libs at it
[12:39] <rjek> kiko: wxLua.
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #182830 in malone "Linking package to bug report doesn't suggest checking upstream" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182830
[12:41] <kiko> rjek, let me check
[12:46] <rjek> kiko: It's not my project, but I created it on launchpad as I want to use bzr to branch from it.
[12:46] <kiko> rjek, yeah, I totally want to get this import going
[12:46] <kiko> rjek, I'll email tim to get it sorted by tomorrow
[12:47] <rjek> kiko: Thanks!
[12:49] <rjek> Also, bug: https://code.launchpad.net/~launchpad-stop-whinging/gniggle/gniggle <-- there is no email address in the changes whose author is entirely set as "<email address hidden>"
[12:50] <rjek> (the author string for those changes is "rjek" [branch was imported from svn.])
[13:02] <kiko> rjek, I think it's just because we have no way of asserting identity based on the string.
[13:03] <rjek> kiko: Well, it correctly obscures the email address part of the arbitary-string-username of the very latest changeset.
[13:03] <rjek> (and succeeds in not obscuring any other part of it)
[13:04] <rjek> But something appears to make it think that "rjek" is an email address.
[13:04] <kiko> rjek, hmm, weird
[13:49] <Kmos> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/scim-bridge/0.4.14-1ubuntu1
[13:49] <Kmos> launchpad didn't close the bug report automatically
[13:54] <BjornT> Kmos: the .changes file doesn't seem to include headers for closing that bug: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11322955/scim-bridge_0.4.14-1ubuntu1_source.changes
[13:57] <Kmos> BjornT: You didn't see this? "LP: #181029" ?
[13:57] <Kmos>  scim-bridge (0.4.14-1ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low
[13:57] <Kmos>  .
[13:57] <Kmos>    * debian/rules:
[13:57] <Kmos>      + Remove empty po/scim.pot before building to make pkgstriptranslations
[13:57] <Kmos>        happy (Fix FTBFS; LP: #181029).
[13:59] <BjornT> Kmos: launchpad doesn't parse that text, though. launchpad looks at the Launchpad-bugs-fixed header, which the client is supposed to add.
[14:00] <Kmos> BjornT: so that's a problem of the uploader.. :)
[14:00] <Kmos> BjornT: thanks for the explanation
[14:01] <geser> Kmos: the question is why the necessary header wasn't written into the .changes file
[14:01] <geser> LP: #xxx should be enough for it
[14:02] <Kmos> geser: Need to ask ZhengPeng Hou about it
[14:03] <Kmos> maybe he uses an old ubuntu ?
[14:03] <Kmos> or even debian and not ubuntu.. lol
[14:26] <Kmos> cprov: i think the package mythbuntu-common, got the same problem of checkstyle, when moving to universe.
[14:26] <cprov> Kmos: let me check
[14:26] <Hobbsee> that's still in NEW
[14:27] <Kmos> Hobbsee: ah ok, thanks =)
[14:27] <Hobbsee> last i checked, anyway
[14:27] <Kmos> Successfully built  (NEW)
[14:27] <Kmos> should be in NEW
[14:27]  * Hobbsee pondered going thru it, but thought that having to find an archive admin to send it to !main made it not worht it.
[14:28] <rulus> hmm, how do I upload a file to appear under the 'Download project files' section?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> cprov: do i want to ask what happened that broke PPAs yesterday?
[14:29] <cprov> Hobbsee: no, you don't ;)
[14:29] <Hobbsee> cprov: yes i do.  please tell :)
[14:29]  * Hobbsee is curious
[14:29] <Hobbsee>  /query if you like
[14:30] <cprov> Hobbsee: ignorance is bless in this case, let's pretend it never happened, ok ?
[14:31] <Hobbsee> hehe, OK :)
[14:37] <BUGabundo> hi there
[14:37] <BUGabundo> how can I generate a po/pot file?
[15:35] <carlos> BUGabundo: hi
[15:35] <carlos> BUGabundo: is it for an application you are working on? or something else done by other developers?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> we are a team of developers, carlos
[15:38] <BUGabundo> and we are trying to use launchpad/roseta
[15:38] <BUGabundo> for translations...
[15:38] <carlos> BUGabundo: what do you use right now to handle translations?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> but before that, I guess I need to generate a pot file to upload to launchpad
[15:38] <carlos> or isn't your application able to be translated?
[15:38] <carlos> right, if you use gettext, that's easy, but then, I guess you would know how to get a .pot/.po file
[15:38] <BUGabundo> our strings right now are in Portuguese via a MySQL table
[15:39] <carlos> hmm, is your application a web application ?
[15:39] <BUGabundo> gettext? ok, I'll look it up on apt-get
[15:39] <BUGabundo> yes it is... and also a offline app
[15:39] <BUGabundo> the prolog part of it
[15:40] <carlos> BUGabundo: we have a requirement of having the source code available with a free/open software license
[15:40] <BUGabundo> check it out
[15:40] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/easygate
[15:40] <carlos> BUGabundo: so you will need to release the web application code in that way if you want to use Launchpad
[15:41]  * carlos checks
[15:41] <BUGabundo> still working out the use of bazaar... 
[15:41] <BUGabundo> some devs on windows other on ubuntu (gutsy and hardy)
[15:41] <carlos> BUGabundo: you don't really need to use gettext, but it would help you to handle imports/exports (and also, to handle all localisation parts of your application)
[15:42] <carlos> there are other projects that use a set of scripts
[15:42] <BUGabundo> so, if I dump the mysql table
[15:42] <carlos> to convert their own file format to/from .pot/.po file format
[15:42] <BUGabundo> then run gettext, ill get a pot file?
[15:43] <carlos> no, you will need to use your own script
[15:43] <carlos> gettext extracts strings from source code
[15:44] <BUGabundo> hummm
[15:44] <BUGabundo> that's going to be tuffer
[15:44] <carlos> but, AFAIK sql output is not handled
[15:44] <BUGabundo> since there is code in OpenGL, c#, c++, prolog
[15:44] <BUGabundo> lolol
[15:44] <BUGabundo> the mysql table already has the string, one per line
[15:44] <BUGabundo> * row
[15:45] <carlos> hmm, does openGL have its own language? I didn't know
[15:45] <BUGabundo> nope
[15:45] <carlos> anyway, C# and C++ are already handled by gettext
[15:45] <BUGabundo> we're using c++ for it
[15:45] <BUGabundo> ahh great
[15:45] <carlos> I'm not sure about prolog though
[15:46] <BUGabundo> as I said, prolog will interact with the mysql bd, and coded with c++
[15:47] <BUGabundo> maybe I can just make a small c# script to use the MySQL table and gettext
[15:48] <carlos> where do you have the message IDs used to get the strings from MySQL ?
[15:48] <carlos> in C# and C++ or also inside prolog code?
[15:48] <BUGabundo> c++ for the prolog UI
[15:48] <BUGabundo> and c3 for the website
[15:48] <BUGabundo> plus the OpenGL UI
[15:48] <carlos> think about source code
[15:49] <carlos> not about the front-end
[15:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:49] <carlos> gettext has a program that extract strings directly from your source code and an API to retrieve translations on run time
[15:49] <BUGabundo> I've never used gettex
[15:49] <BUGabundo> so I don't really know how it works
[15:50] <BUGabundo> and how does it exports the translation strings, so I can input them into the bd again?
[15:50] <carlos> don't worry, that's why I'm asking you so much to see whether it would help you or if it's not really useful, to see whether you just need a script to export/populate your database
[15:50] <carlos> oh, so you want your strings always in your database?
[15:50] <carlos> then gettext doesn't fit your use case
[15:51] <BUGabundo> humm
[15:51] <BUGabundo> ok
[15:51] <carlos> and thus, you will need a set of strings that generate the .po files from what you have in your database, and another script that gets a .po file and applies it to your database
[15:51] <BUGabundo> lets start from the beginning 
[15:51] <BUGabundo> I already have some strings on the BD
[15:52] <BUGabundo> now I can dump them, and I need a away to get them on Launchpad
[15:52] <BUGabundo> so our dev plus a few other guess can help translate
[15:52] <BUGabundo> what's the format of the pot(po files?
[15:52] <carlos> BUGabundo: ok, so you will need to do it yourself with a script
[15:52] <BUGabundo> *pot/po
[15:53] <carlos> let me check for the file format description...
[15:54] <BUGabundo> thanks carlos
[15:56] <carlos> BUGabundo: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/html_chapter/gettext_10.html#index-file-format_002c-_0040file_007b_002epo_007d-56
[15:56]  * BUGabundo opening site
[15:56] <carlos> BUGabundo: the only difference between a .pot and a .po file is that a .pot file doesn't have any translation
[15:57] <BUGabundo> ok, thanks
[15:57] <carlos> np
[15:59] <carlos> BUGabundo: I need to leave now, but as a hint, msgid should be the English text to be translated, that way translators have an easy way to see string changes and fix the translations. It's not a must, but that makes translators life more easy
[15:59] <carlos> BUGabundo: if you have any other question danilo or jordi would also help you a bit
[15:59] <BUGabundo> thanks a lot.
[15:59] <BUGabundo> I'll read that site and see what I can get out of it
[16:00] <carlos> ok, good luck :-)
[16:20] <ubotu> New bug: #182895 in rosetta "Add support for the new comment type in gettext #|" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182895
[16:25]  * Hobbsee wonders about how one goes about removing all their launchpad knowledge
[16:25] <oojah> Lobotomy?
[16:26] <Hobbsee> heh
[16:26] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: dumps it on a DVD+r and then types sudo rm -rf /usr/local/launchpad
[16:26] <Hobbsee> maybe
[16:26] <Hobbsee> ah, right
[16:26] <Hobbsee> moving to debian would be another wya, i guess.
[16:27] <Hobbsee> or do stuff on other projects instead
[16:28]  * Hobbsee --> bed
[16:29] <BUGabundo> good nite Hobbsee
[16:39] <BUGabundo> how was lunch, salgado?
[16:39] <salgado> BUGabundo, delicious! :)
[16:40] <BUGabundo> ehehe
[16:40] <BUGabundo> anything good?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> hum that bad, enh, salgado?
[17:07] <salgado> BUGabundo, no, it was good. rice, beans, salad, chicken... the usual brazilian lunch
[17:08] <BUGabundo> eeheheh
[17:22] <doko> do uploads to ppa's curently work?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> look at the # sbject
[17:25] <BUGabundo> lolol
[17:25] <BUGabundo> it should...
[17:28] <mpt> salgado, you're making me hungry
[17:29] <BUGabundo> eheh mpt
[17:29] <BUGabundo> you should taste our Leitão (small pig)
[18:18] <jordi> kiko!
[18:32] <kiko> jordi!
[18:32] <kiko> wow, long time no see
[18:33] <jordi> yeah dude
[18:34] <jordi> how are things?
[18:38] <kiko> jordi, busy but great. was in israel for the end of the year, then spent a week in germany and prague, and am now back here
[18:38] <kiko> in london
[18:38] <kiko> wed I fly home
[18:45] <jordi> kiko: woa
[18:46] <jordi> kiko: dude I go to Germany/Prague/Budapest next week
[18:46] <jordi> any recommendations?
[18:48] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders!
[18:48] <kiko> EVEN1ng
[18:49] <kiko> jordi, wow, take lots of warm clothing
[18:49] <kiko> jordi, it's nice but freezing there
[18:50] <jordi> I can expect that
[18:50] <jordi> great
[18:50] <jordi> what did you do/see?
[18:52] <kiko> jordi, so, I went to the castle, and the jewish museum
[18:52] <jordi> how cold is freezing?
[18:52] <jordi> well below 0?
[18:53] <kiko> no!
[18:53] <kiko> but there was snow on the ground and it wasn't melting very fast!
[18:53] <jordi> ugh, snow
[18:54] <jordi> boots, then.
[19:30] <ubotu> New bug: #182948 in launchpad "Poppy daemon has no logging" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182948
[23:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183009 in malone "nomination listings on a bug page are odd" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183009