[00:26] <PriceChild> twb, we are far from RC stage
[00:26] <PriceChild> twb, we just reached alpha3
[00:26] <PriceChild> twb, cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/hardy should do it
[00:27] <twb> Thanks.
[00:28] <twb> (I'm doing a site rollout that will take months, so the plan is to end up deploying hardy, because it's LTS.  I want to start finding bugs  sooner rather than later.)
[00:29] <twb> None of the CDs are live CDs *without* X, right?
[00:29] <twb> That is, the server and alternate CDs use d-i?
[00:33] <twb> (Since they have jigdo files I'm guessing that's still the case.)
[01:09] <darksky0> hi
[02:31] <dewdude> can i force update manager to use a cd-rom source? i've got hardy on CD but can't seem to get gutsy to upgrade from it
[02:33] <Pici> dewdude: You can only upgrade from Alternate CDs.
[02:33] <dewdude> this is an alternate CD.
[02:34] <dewdude> i did get the window once....and i started going through it, but then it wanted to update from web, and, after seeing the download size, i didn't feel like really waiting..so i aborted the process and i haven't been able to get the upgrade option back when i inserted the CD
[02:34] <Pici> System>Admininstration>Software Sources should let you add a repo from a CD
[02:35] <dewdude> ok, so i just need to add the repo and it'll upgrade for me?
[02:36] <dewdude> "To install from a CD/DVD, insert the medium in to the drive"
[02:36] <dewdude> and the disc is in there...all it does wehn i insert it is bring up file browser.
[02:37] <dewdude> oh, nevermind, i see the add cd-rom button
[02:40] <dewdude> nope....still not what i want.
[02:40] <UnNaturalHigh> dewdude, you don't have internet access?
[02:40] <dewdude> it's slow.
[02:40] <dewdude> really freakin slow.
[02:40] <dewdude> and the chance of getting anything faster is zilch to nada.
[02:40] <UnNaturalHigh> dewdude, I hope this is a test system you are installing on and not some production system
[02:41] <dewdude> if by production you mean something vital
[02:41] <dewdude> which...this isn't.
[02:41] <dewdude> just a laptop i play around with stuff on.
[02:41] <UnNaturalHigh> just wipe you hard disk and install fresh onto it then
[02:41] <UnNaturalHigh> *your
[02:41] <dewdude> yeah..that was my thought
[02:42] <UnNaturalHigh> dewdude, do you still reside on dialup?
[02:42] <dewdude> no.
[02:42] <dewdude> DSL.
[02:42] <dewdude> 768/128
[02:42] <UnNaturalHigh> thats not slow, lol
[02:42] <dewdude> yes it is.
[02:42] <UnNaturalHigh> just let it upgrade over night
[02:42] <dewdude> when everyone else around you has 10mbit from comcast it is.
[02:43] <dewdude> well
[02:43] <dewdude> that would be pointless.
[02:43] <dewdude> i have a CD
[02:43] <dewdude> why redownload data i already have?
[02:44] <dewdude> i'll just wipe the drive and fresh format.
[02:44] <dewdude> i could of probably done that by now rather than figuring out how to get that nice upgrade window back
[03:35] <MGrunde> Is there a workaround for the apparmor error with Alpha 2/3?
[04:03] <articpenguin3800> when are the most updates issued at night or day?
[04:04] <RAOF> Neither.
[04:04] <RAOF> The publisher runs every 15 minutes, if I remember correctly.
[04:04] <crdlb> particularly since that varies for each of the developers :)
[04:04] <RAOF> And since there are devs all over the world, there's usually a pretty steady supply of updates.
[04:05] <articpenguin3800> i was up all night last night fixing my hardy breakage
[04:13] <DarkMageZ> (gnome) if i've got an application up. then i unminimize one from the tray. the first application is on top with focus. how do i change this so the unminimized app is on top with focus?
[04:16] <DanaG> wtf?  The shortcut "<Shift><Control><Alt><Super>space" cannot be used because it will become unusable to type using this key.  Please try with a key such as Control, Alt or Shift at the same time.
[04:16] <DanaG> I started with super-space, and went all the way to that.
[04:17] <DanaG> Works fine if I set it with gconf-editor.
[04:17] <DanaG> And now I'll stop accidentally hitting alt-f4 instead of alt-f3.
[04:18] <crdlb> where were you trying to set that?
[04:18] <DanaG> In deskbar-applet.
[04:18] <hydrogen> DanaG: well, you know.. its fairly common for people to hold down all those keys at once
[04:18] <DanaG> I'm using the old version that's actually still a deskBAR.
[04:18] <hydrogen> I know I do it every time I type
[04:18] <DanaG> How about super-space?
[04:20] <hydrogen> well, if i hit ctrl+alt+shift+super+space, I'm obviously htting super+space
[04:20] <hydrogen> Thankfully gnomes wonderful usabilty intervenes and makes sure you can still type
[04:21] <DanaG> I mean, it would not allow that shortcut.
[04:21] <DanaG> When I set it manually, it works perfectly fine.
[04:24] <hydrogen> I don't think you are allowed to complain about bugs when you intentionally use old versions of software
[04:24] <hydrogen> I'm pretty sure thats a rule
[04:34] <DanaG> Well, the new version of deskbar is 'unfit for purpose', in my mind.
[04:34] <DanaG> Don't worry, I won't try to file a bug on the old version.
[04:59] <Helvasca> I just started dling Alpha 3 :)
[05:43] <m1ke> Can you upgrade a 32bit to 64bit 7.10+ without reformating?
[05:44] <hydrogen> no
[05:46] <m1ke> why not?
[05:48] <RAOF> Because all the packages are different.
[05:50] <RAOF> Technically you might be able to do it... you'd need to do it in a couple of stages.  1{ install a 64bit kernel, and reboot. 2) use your existing 32bit system to run apt to remove & reinstall all the packages, making sure not to remove any package that the 32bit apt needs before it's finished.
[05:50] <m1ke> Problem is, I want to upgrade to 64bit, but I dont want to nuke all my Vmserver stuff
[05:51] <RAOF> Well...
[05:51] <RAOF> That's kinda difficult.  You could back it up, then restore it on the other end.
[05:52] <RAOF> But basically, you need to install the 64bit distro.  You can't upgrade.
[05:54] <m1ke> damn
[06:03] <Helvasca> Hey guys, just wondering what sorta stuff I could do to help with out any really programing experience
[06:05] <m1ke> I have project for you
[06:06] <RAOF> !contribute | Helvasca
[06:06] <ubotu> Helvasca: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[06:08] <m1ke> Helvasca, I would like to build a free global gaming network built on open source software.  I envision bringing together Linux, Windows, Macintosh, and other game consoles users in one integrated community.   This software running on your PC would allow you to play 'network' enabled games online for free.  Imagine a 'LAN' that went around the planet.  Load up favorite game and you can play with people all over the world.  You simply fi
[06:08] <m1ke> re up our application, select what game you want to play, then it would find other users for you, and you are instant action.  You don't have to pay for expensive online gaming services anymore.
[06:11] <jsmidt> anybody know if network-manager 7.0 will be out before its too late to be included in hardy?
[06:24] <chowmeined> what happened to sshfs in hardy?
[06:26] <chowmeined> nevermind.. didnt have universe
[08:20] <flamesage> Huzzah.
[08:20]  * flamesage magically appears.
[08:20] <jussi01> hello :)
[08:20] <flamesage> sup.
[08:20] <jussi01> whats the prob?
[08:20] <flamesage> Hmm? Nothing.
[08:20] <flamesage> Just wanted to talk about Alpha 3.
[08:20] <flamesage> I was wondering if the new sound system made it unstable?
[08:20] <jussi01> heh... have you thought about #kubuntu-offtopic ;) :P
[08:20] <flamesage> *sound server
[08:20] <jussi01> pulse?
[08:21] <flamesage> Yeah.
[08:21] <jussi01> yeah, we had better go to -offtopic...
[08:21] <flamesage> lol
[08:30] <Gnine> upgrading to hardy fixed a no sound issue existing in gutsy
[08:30] <Gnine> amd64 system
[08:32] <Gnine> mpc51 high def
[08:38] <jussi01> Gnine: :)
[08:43] <Ryuho> Java: if you are in while loop, is there a line of code that would automatically get you out of the loop?
[10:44] <theunixgeek> Where can I get a decent tutorial for the Anjuta IDE?
[12:00] <Oli``> I get pink outlines around menus and tooltips. Is this a known issue?
[12:02] <DarkMageZ> Oli``, issues are tracked on the bugtracker. i suspect your graphics card sucks ? see if turning off compiz helps.
[12:03] <Oli``> DarkMageZ: It's a nvidia 8800 gts... last time I checked, they didn't suck =) But I'll give it a try...
[12:03] <Oli``> DarkMageZ: I should add this is new to Hardy
[12:04] <DarkMageZ> i remember seeing a similar effect on my i810. so i made a presumption. the nvidia 8800 gts is a nice card.
[12:04] <Oli``> Well that's odd. Disabling Compiz fixes the issue completely - even after I re-enable Compiz
[12:06] <DarkMageZ> it might only happen at startup.
[12:06] <DarkMageZ> or when some random driver bug gets triggered.
[12:06] <DarkMageZ> i doubt your card is running out of video ram
[12:07] <Oli``> I blame the nvidia driver... this latest one is full of nasty little bugs
[12:11] <DarkMageZ> hehe, don't worry. us ATi users are getting screwed over equally hard. our new drivers sound equally dodgy.
[12:27] <hit> some package broken again or smth? my media keys aren't working again on keyboard
[12:54] <WorkingOnWise> !nvidia
[12:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:57] <WorkingOnWise> Fresh install of Hardy. All the updates in. Restricted driver manager say the restricted video drivers are not in use, but the box is checked. when i click the box, I get the error "Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid or does not exist." What do I do?
[13:10] <WorkingOnWise>  Fresh install of Hardy. All the updates in. Restricted driver manager say the restricted video drivers are not in use, but the box is checked. when i click the box, I get the error "Reconfiguring X.org video drivers is not possible: /etc/X11/xorg.conf is invalid or does not exist." What do I do?
[13:10] <Gnine> !hardy
[13:10] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[13:11] <Hobbsee> oh, interesting, it really must not get auto-created now
[13:11] <Hobbsee> WorkingOnWise: it means you don't have an xorg.conf anymore, so it's having trouble.
[13:12] <nanonyme> Hobbsee, now/for now, whichever
[13:13] <WorkingOnWise> it is a frsh installl. SO it didnt make one during setup?
[13:14] <nanonyme> apparently not
[13:14] <nanonyme> go create one? :)
[13:14] <WorkingOnWise> nanonyme: sounds like a big bug to me...I'll have to go report it.
[13:15] <nanonyme> sounds like something temporarily disabled to me
[13:15] <nanonyme> but go report if you feel like it
[13:16] <WorkingOnWise> whatever it is, the installer did it. Once I booted into it, I had to install restricted driver manager. the first time I ran it I got the error.
[13:16]  * nanonyme shrugs
[13:17] <nanonyme> i've been told to expect hardy to be broken so i do
[13:17] <Gnine> nvidia works fine on hardy
[13:19] <nanonyme> Gnine, hmm, is the xorg.conf generation linked to adapter being detected properly then?
[13:19] <Hobbsee> r-m just need to be able to cope with the new xorg.
[13:20] <nanonyme> hmm
[13:24] <WorkingOnWise> i ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and then r-m is working fine...i think. Shouldn't the Nvidia GeForce Go 6100 use nvidia-glx-new, not nvidia-glx?
[13:24] <Gnine> i do not know. but i do know that it has not had any issues
[13:25] <Gnine> feisty gave me incredible problems on xserver configuration but after gutsy i have not seen anything go wrong in that respect
[13:25] <nanonyme> hmm, does hardy have the new xorg?
[13:25] <WorkingOnWise> Gnine: I have ben breaking...um, er, running Hardy for a while now, but haven seen this problem. Once its all set up, Its great, as long as I dont do some profoundly n00bish thing to break it! :_
[13:25] <WorkingOnWise> ")
[13:26] <WorkingOnWise> :)
[13:26] <WorkingOnWise> darn keys keep moving on me!
[13:27] <nanonyme> scary
[13:27] <WorkingOnWise> gotta restart and see if its working. ty
[13:27] <WorkingOnWise> nanonyme: scary that my keys move?
[13:27] <nanonyme> anyway, if hardy has the new xorg, X breakages are to be expected at various points of development
[14:54] <peppo> hi. any PS3 users in here?
[14:54] <peppo> considering trying an install of a daily
[14:54] <peppo> since 7.10 miserable fails wrt to networking (ethernet) etc
[14:57] <avatar_> hmm, ctrl-alt-l doesnt lock my screen anymore
[15:26] <articpenguin3800> if i get a package that says no change is it safe to update the other packages
[15:27] <swaldick> could anyone help with a grub issue
[15:27] <swaldick> ?/
[15:27] <articpenguin3800> swaldick: what grub issue?
[15:28] <swaldick> after stage 1.5 i get a grub 15 eeror
[15:28] <swaldick> is there some wrong with my configuration
[15:28] <articpenguin3800> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/grub-error-15-431469/
[15:29] <swaldick> i'm running 7.10 server and this is a file server mahcine
[15:30] <swaldick> what's causing the error? this has happened before.
[15:34] <articpenguin3800> are you using hardy?
[15:52] <swaldick> what do you mean by "hardy"?
[15:53] <Tomcat_> swaldick: Development version of Ubuntu 8.04.
[15:53] <Pici> !hardy
[15:53] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[15:53] <Pici> swaldick: The channel you are in is only for 8.04 stuffs.
[15:53] <swaldick> oh no i'm running 7.10
[15:53] <swaldick> sorry guys...
[15:53] <Pici> swaldick: Then I suggest you ask in #ubuntu
[15:53] <Pici> :)
[16:07] <Oli``> When playing a flash movie in fullscreen (eg YouTube) does anybody else have really sucky performance?
[16:35] <DreadKnight> anybody knows if the wacom mouse works in hardy now?
[16:50] <cdm10> Is the policy for new packages during alpha different for Hardy than for other releases? There have been a lot fewer updates per day for Hardy than for other releases I've used in alpha.
[16:51] <Tomcat_> cdm10: I'd guess that developers are much more cautious of things breaking, because this is LTS.
[16:52] <cdm10> Tomcat_: I guess so... but it's still in alpha.
[16:52]  * Hobbsee suspects people are still busy developing, and so haven't uploaded their code yet
[16:52] <cdm10> alrgiht
[16:52] <cdm10> *alright
[17:14] <DreadKnight> nevermind my question, seems it should work now
[17:38] <BlackSunrise> why does xchat close automatically when i open in
[17:38] <BlackSunrise> it
[19:09] <hit> some package broken again or smth? my media keys aren't working again on keyboard
[19:16] <Pici> hit: I'm not sure what kind of answer you are looking for here...
[19:17] <hit> i don't even know it myself
[19:17] <hit> it worked when i first pluged it in
[19:17] <Pici> On Hardy/
[19:17] <Pici> ?
[19:17] <hit> usb wireless mouse and kb
[19:17] <hit> hardy yes
[19:19] <Pici> Did you install a new kernel image? any clues in dmesg? You're going to have to trouble shoot it yourself and find out what package it might be and file a bug appropriately.
[19:36] <askand> Have the add/remove app gotten any improvements as planned?
[19:36] <Gumby> hi all, I am testing Hardy out here and I was wondering how exactly to completely kill X while on the liveCD.  killing gdm doesnt seem to do it.
[19:39] <Jeeves_> kill -9 X ?
[19:40] <Gumby> I tried killing just about everything
[19:40] <Gumby> gonna kill myself soon :)
[19:40] <Gumby> its not that big of a deal.  I'll just need to be able to figure it out after an install so I can setup nvidia drivers
[19:53] <joumetal> Gumby: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop ?
[19:53] <Jeeves_> Gumby: 'reboot' :)
[19:55] <Pici> Gumby: why are you trying to setup nvidia drivers on a live cd?
[19:56] <Gumby> Pici: because the screen resolution is too low to see the full installer on
[19:56] <Pici> Gumby: You aren't going to succeed, use the alt-cd
[19:56] <Gumby> Pici: Ive succeeded just fine before
[19:56] <Gumby> many times
[19:56] <Pici> Really? I'm surprised.
[19:57] <Gumby> just need to install headers and compiler and kill X
[19:57] <Gumby> grab the nvidia installer, run it.  edit xorg.conf if needed and away you go
[20:03]  * Gumby will just run the install over ssh instead
[20:13] <askand> Have the add/remove app gotten any improvements as planned?
[20:17] <tumbleweed__> how do I use sun's jvm rather than icedtea?
[20:37] <UnNaturalHigh> does anyone here know how to disconnect from a network with nmapplet?
[21:02] <Keneo> why isn't restricted drivers manager installed by default on hardy-alpha3?
[21:21]  * emgent hi
[22:23] <sigra> hey is this the hardy heron chat?
[22:24] <sigra> i guess i should not run hardy from reading the top title lol
[22:30] <cdm10> So, I just ran updates, and now I have a new bittorrent client, cd burner, and vnc client.
[22:31] <cdm10> All of them are better than the ones that are normally shipped with Ubuntu... so does this mean we're moving to those?
[22:32] <scizzo-> cdm10: you installed hardy?
[22:32] <cdm10> scizzo-: i'm running in a VM...
[22:32] <cdm10> I know what I'm doing, I'm just wondering if this means Ubuntu's moving over to those applications.
[22:32] <scizzo-> cdm10: not 100% sure.....but I belive so
[22:33] <cdm10> ok.
[22:33] <scizzo-> cdm10: probably going to be notes about it when the next alpha goes out......
[22:33] <cdm10> yeah.
[22:54] <benanzo> been running Hardy alphas for a few weeks now, I've noticed that gnome seems a little sluggish expanding menus and receiving clicks
[22:54] <benanzo> anyone else had this?
[22:54] <h3sp4wn> Me
[22:55] <benanzo> OK, has anyone seen a bug report yet?
[22:55] <benanzo> can't find one -- considering filing it
[22:55] <h3sp4wn> There is probably tons of debug code still in as its an odd release of gnome
[22:55] <benanzo> ahh yes that's probably true
[22:56] <hydrogen> is there any such thing as a release of gnome that *isn't* odd?
[22:57] <h3sp4wn> what do you mean ? all the stable versions are even
[22:57] <hydrogen> that doesn't mean they arn't odd
[23:44] <alex_mayorga> !pastebin
[23:44] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:55] <alex_mayorga> can someone take a look to my xsession error and help me a bit http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51955/
[23:57] <ryanpg> alex_mayorga, the first error suggests kde-guidance isn't installed
[23:59] <ryanpg> alex_mayorga, what are you trying to do? Run Xgl with the nv driver?