[00:59] <boredandblogging> please digg: http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_Weekly_Newsletter_73
[19:23] <desertc> Is there a web site to which we can direct media groups that lists the features of the next release?
[19:24] <beuno> desertc, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3
[19:24] <juliux> desertc, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3 is that whare you are searching for?
[19:24] <juliux> s/what/whare
[19:25] <desertc> beuno, juliux: Yes, exactly.  Thank you.
[19:26] <juliux> btw does somebody want some ubuntu mugs?
[19:27] <desertc> I could make use of them as nice give-aways.
[19:27] <beuno> desertc, :D
[19:27] <beuno> juliux, I'd love some, but it won't be cheap to send them all the way over here
[19:27] <beuno> and considering the t-shirt I bought from you is still in perfect condition, I'm sure it's top-quality
[19:28] <juliux> we will produce around 500 mugs in the next weeks
[19:29] <beuno> juliux, I'm sure one post on the planet and you'll sell out
[19:29] <beuno> you are in planet, aren't you?
[19:29] <juliux> beuno, i will make the blog post befor we order them;)
[19:29] <desertc> I had heard some media groups say, "Gutsy Gibbon is released, but we are not sure what are the features other than version numbers."  This webpage you referenced has all the new features in laymans-terms.  I should be useful for the curious.
[19:29] <juliux> beuno, i have no english speaking blog;)
[19:29] <beuno> desertc, yeap, there is one of those for each release
[19:30] <beuno> juliux, then make sure you email me with some details and I'll make sure it's there  ;)
[19:30] <juliux> beuno, cool, i will also ask dennda to write something on the planet
[19:30] <juliux> beuno, but at first i will contact the loco contacts list;)
[19:33] <beuno> juliux, I was referring to planet too, but I'll be happy to post wherever I can
[19:33] <juliux> cool
[19:33] <juliux> if we make 500mugs each mugs cost 3€ 
[19:34] <beuno> do you have a pic?  url to order?
[19:34] <beuno> It's probably best to post when people can click and buy or pre-order impulsively
[19:35] <juliux> beuno, that is what i will do;)
[19:35] <juliux> a php form that will send a mail into the ticketsystem of ubuntu-de ;)
[19:35] <beuno> juliux, cool, just send over the info when you have it, and I'll make sure it gets on there with as much hype as possible
[19:35] <beuno> "Limited 500 units edition"  ;)
[19:36] <juliux> only limit edition;)
[19:36] <beuno> gotcha
[19:39] <juliux> hm i have no picuter yet
[19:39] <juliux> they are not yet produced
[19:39] <desertc> juliux: You are in the, ah, United Kingdom?
[19:40] <juliux> desertc, nope germany;)
[19:41] <desertc> juliux: I see, it would be too expensive to propel any heavy mugs to me.
[19:41] <juliux> desertc, where are you living?
[19:42] <desertc> I am US-ian.  I worked in Germany a few times, and every gas station with a "mini-mart" would have many racks of magazines, and I was surprised to see an entire rack (3-4 shelves) filled with Linux magazines.  You would never see that here in the USA.
[19:44] <desertc> You count yourself lucky if your town's market carries one magazine, probably Linux Journal.  In Germany, there was "Linux-PHP", "Linux-Kernel", "Linux-Video", just about every topic.  It made me want to learn to read german. :-)
[19:44] <juliux> now it is even more;)
[19:45] <juliux> every computer magazin has also an extra linux edition
[19:45] <juliux> or a special linux magazn
[19:45] <juliux> magazin
[19:46] <desertc> juliux: I frankly could not understand it.  Who goes to a gas (petro) station and buys a Linux-kernel magazine.  Does that place sell a dozen of those magazines each month?
[19:46] <juliux> yes
[19:47] <juliux> but i think that is a bundle of magazins 
[19:47] <desertc> I asked if maybe the government was subsidizing the magazines to get people informed, and everyone I asked laughed at me.  *shrug*
[19:47] <juliux> so if you want to have magazin a und b you also have to sell c and d
[19:47] <juliux> so you have to have the linux magazins in your shop;)
[19:48] <desertc> There was just so many.  I've never seen so many Linux magazines in one place ... before or after ... than I would see in a typical german gas station.
[19:49] <juliux> hehe
[19:49] <juliux> linux is very popluar in germany
[19:50] <desertc> All of which I couldn't read.  Which was the sad part.  But great that the technology was embraced by even the lowly gas station owner.
[19:51] <juliux> desertc, http://62.111.65.66/groups/ that is a list of linuxuser groups in germany
[19:51] <desertc> juliux: I suspect you have many things to teach the LoCos about getting Linux into the communities, except it is all so commonplace for you that you would not think others have trouble with the ideas.
[19:51] <juliux> that are 453 user groups in germany
[19:51] <juliux> so there are enough people who can buy this magazins
[19:53] <desertc> We should get www.linux.org/groups updated.  Only shows 1/6th of those.
[19:54] <juliux> hehe
[19:54] <desertc> Oh, is this true?  I heard that Linux and other computer groups regularly purchase club houses where they store computers and where members can go to meet.
[19:55] <desertc> (in Germany)
[19:55] <juliux> yes some lugs have this club houses but not all
[19:56] <juliux> in hamburg we met in a pub in hannover we have a room a the univesity 
[19:56] <juliux> but we don't store computers there
[19:56] <desertc> Oh, I had heard there were meeting places that were owned by the clubs and people would pop-in to work on computer projects.  Must not be so popular then.
[19:57] <desertc> "hacker spaces"
[19:57] <desertc> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/09/west_german_hacker_spaces.html
[19:58] <juliux> there are a lot of lugs who have that
[19:58] <juliux> most of the ccc groups have such rooms
[19:58] <desertc> What a terrific way to foster community spirit within a technology group and to get computing out of the house and into the community.
[20:00]  * bmk789 wonders where his german linux magazine went
[20:01] <juliux> desertc, i bought my last linux magazin four years ago
[20:36] <desertc> juliux: How easy is it for you to go into a computer store and ask for a Linux computer?
[20:36] <juliux> desertc, there are no linux computers
[20:36] <juliux> desertc, some onlineshops have them
[20:37] <juliux> and dell;)
[20:37] <desertc> Interesting.
[20:37] <desertc> That doesn't make any sense to me, though
[20:37] <juliux> hehe
[20:37] <desertc> There's a huge demand for Linux there, and you say no one sells the computers.
[20:38] <desertc> For the price of a dozen magazines, they could just buy the computer pre-assembled.
[20:38] <desertc> It must be the love of tinkering that has everyone there interested in linux technology.  :-)
[20:39] <juliux> desertc, sorry i am not 100% here, i am fighting with drupal and sql;)
[20:41] <desertc> Understandable, that's what I was doing last night.  Up to my neck in it.  Well, I'm off to the local computer store to ask if they want to help promote Ubuntu.
[20:43] <juliux> good luck
[23:01] <desertc> Anyone heard of any physical stores that sell Ubuntu?
[23:02] <desertc> Ubuntu loaded computers?
[23:15] <desertc> I am wondering why there are not more places to buy a computer loaded with Ubuntu.
[23:15] <desertc> Can anyone think of a reason?  I must be missing something obvious.
[23:19] <somerville32> desertc, Because of Microsoft's licensing crap
[23:19] <desertc> I do not understand, could you elaborate?
[23:25] <desertc> somerville32: ?
[23:25] <desertc> I am down at a store talking with a guy who sells used computers for a living, and we could not figure out any technical reason he doesn't use Ubuntu instead of Windows.
[23:26] <somerville32> lol
[23:26] <desertc> The only thing he could say as rationale was that when a Windows version was end-of-lifed, that the customer was forced to buy a new computer because the price of the new OS was the same as a new computer.
[23:27] <desertc> He asked, how can I make money on this Ubuntu?  I said, sir, you're selling $100 with $150 operating systems.
[23:28] <desertc> *$100 computers
[23:30] <desertc> The more I talked to him about all the ways he could make money with Ubuntu, the more I started wondering why no one else was already selling Linux computers with old hardware.
[23:31] <desertc> There must be a reason I am missing... Maybe it is simply the profit margin for selling used computers is so low that it isn't worth having linux-trained staff to support it.
[23:32] <desertc> So, if you know something about Microsoft's licensing that makes this prohibitive, then I'd sure like to know before I get the crazy idea to start this business myself.
[23:36] <desertc> Always the talkative crowd, huh?  Well, the only trouble I have is that I would have to sell 7 computers a day to make the same money I can make from just working a 9-5 job.
[23:46] <somerville32> desertc, Oh, you can definitely start your own business doing it