[00:12] much better. No more menu clutter! [00:31] OK, I'm closer to done with my first packaging attempt... but I've got a bug. Anybody care to help me figure it out? [00:32] go ahead [00:33] I'm packaging a python app, following a tutorial posted here: http://wiki.showmedo.com/index.php/LinuxJensMakingDeb [00:34] wolfger, Upload it to revu so that we can review it with you [00:34] the problem I have is after I alter paths in the python files (to match where they will be installed by the deb), the end product produces an error: [00:35] k. How do I do that, somerville32 [00:35] wolfger, Were you able to generate a source package? [00:35] mok0: RFC822 is obsoleted by RFC 2822. I stopped reading all the RFCs around 3000, so there may also be a newer one. [00:35] RainCT: Let's wait a bit more. If interdiffs are permitted to go away, we won't need it. On the other hand, if Interdiffs are here to stay, it should reduce the number of people who ask me how to process them. [00:35] * persia notes that while both falcons were reviewed, both parties were advised of the other effort, and both candidate packages had other problems in the last review. [00:36] somerville32: yes I get the .dsc and the .deb and the .deb installs the program [00:36] but it doesn't run [00:37] Using the command dput [00:37] passing revu and then the filename of your dsc file [00:37] ie. [00:37] dput revu package.dsc [00:38] somerville32: should be package*.changes [00:38] persia: so you didn't acked it? :( [00:38] kmos, right [00:39] wolfger, Sorry, you'll want to upload the changes file and not the dsc file [00:39] pochu: I avoid ACKing any NEW packages if I can find any excuse to not do so :) [00:39] persia, 2822 has indeed been superseded [00:39] heh [00:39] Seveas: What's the new one? [00:39] somerville32: right. I just got that message... [00:39] ls [00:39] forgot :) [00:40] persia, hmm, looks like I'm mixing a few things I recently needed [00:40] 2822 wasn't superseded [00:41] somerville32: it finished. The package is "memaker" [00:45] wolfger, What is the link to your launchpad page? [00:45] somerville32: https://launchpad.net/~wolfger [00:46] wolfger, You're not a member of the universe-contributors group meaning that your upload to revu was rejected. [00:47] oh, ok [00:47] https:/launchpad.net/~ubuntu-universe-contributors [00:47] dput said "successfully uploaded", so I believed it... [00:47] It was silently rejected [00:48] somerville32: followed the link and joined. I need to dput again, I take it? [00:48] wolfger, Unfortunately, the keyring for revu needs to be synced before you can do so [00:49] alright. When will that be? [00:49] * persia syncs the keyring [00:50] like magic :-D [00:51] could not dput again. "already uploaded" and "doing nothing" [00:51] wolfger: try dput -f [00:52] Kmos: It won't work yet. The keyring sync has not completed [00:53] ah ok =) [00:54] * wolfger waits [01:05] g'night [01:09] wolfger: Done. Please try again. [01:11] persia: RFC 821/822 are still technically the "Standard" for email. Updates for RFC 2821/2822 to advance them to be the standard are close. RFC 2821bis just finished IETF last call and RFC 2822update is expected soon. [01:11] ... why wouldn't they give it a new RFC number? [01:11] * persia grumbles about the use of the Obsoletes: header when the appropriate STD (11) has not been adjusted, and stands corrected. [01:12] StevenK: RFC editor will do that before they get published. Those are "working titles" [01:12] Ah, right. [01:12] persia, Kmos, somerville32: thanks. dput has finished again. [01:13] wolfger: Should get posted around 01:20 UTC then. [01:14] persia: where will I see it/how will I know? [01:14] wolfger: It should show in the index of packages needing review from http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/ [01:15] persia, How often does http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/uehs/no_watch.php get regenerated? [01:16] somerville32: No idea, and the person who administers it is on holiday. [01:25] I don't see memaker [01:25] No REVU account for wolfger@gmail.com exists yet. [01:26] wolfger: You need to upload source.changes, not i386.changes. [01:26] Who has libopengl-ruby? How about vamp-plugin-sdk? [01:27] persia: where would I find that? [01:28] RAOF: thanks for duping debian 436201 :) [01:28] Debian bug 436201 in libasound2-plugins "libasound2-plugins: Could we get an ia32 package for amd64?" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/436201 [01:28] wolfger: If you build a source package (-S -sa), it should appear in the parent directory of the package directory. [01:29] !revu | wolfger [01:29] wolfger: REVU is a web-based tool to give people who have worked on Ubuntu packages a chance to "put their packages out there" for other people to look at and comment on in a structured manner. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU [01:31] crimsun: Ok, ok :). I'll attach a bug watch. Maybe I'll even find time for a debdiff. [01:49] * Hobbsee waves [01:51] * ion_ emits a reverse-phase replica wave. [01:52] thus attenuating Hobbsee’s wave. [01:53] heh [01:53] Heya Hobbsee, persia, ion_ [01:53] :) [01:53] Hi bddebian [01:54] Freenode.find_by_chan('#ubuntu-motu').each {|nick| nick.send 'Hello' } [01:54] * RAOF is influenced by the interacting wavefronts to wave himself [01:54] Heh, hello RAOF [02:01] I'm looking after first advocate for my package Malbolge. I've fixed all broblems that have been brought up. http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=malbolge [02:02] I’d appreciate getting a second advocation for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=hardware-connected [02:07] * persia wonders if packaging malbolge is doing a disservice to users, given that it is especially constructed to be difficult. It may even not be in line with the malbolge philosophy to be able to `aptitude install malbolge` [02:07] What is the CDBS option to specify the manpage? [02:07] It isn't in the CDBS docs [02:07] :-D [02:07] persia: Well, there’s a precedent: PHP. [02:08] somerville32: Just add a .manpages file [02:08] ubotu: !cdbs is CDBS is a tool to share common debian/rules fragments by including them in the makefile. Some documentation, including debhelper hint variables and custom rules is available from http://perso.duckcorp.org/duck/cdbs-doc/cdbs-doc.xhtml [02:09] bddebian, thats too easy :P [02:13] persia: Compiling and running malbolge is so much easier than coding with it. So compiling and installing it is actually rather fun compared to coding. I'm taking away the part which is not that hard. Thus the user will feel even weaker. [02:14] cyberix: You might consider that a bug, and try redoing the upstream build process in malbolge itself, with a bootstrap based on m4 macros. [02:15] :-D [02:15] cyberix: Anyway, aside from the philosophical issues, there are only a couple of packaging issues; commented. [02:15] m4 ♥ [02:15] * RAOF backs away from the crazy man [02:16] persia: dh_makeshlibs doesn't do the trick? [02:16] Oh yes. [02:16] ion_: We have a lovely padded room and a comfy jacket for you to wear. [02:17] cyberix: dh_makeshlibs creates a shlibs file for packages that depend upon the package being built, rather than setting the dependencies directly. The manual is a good place to start. [02:17] In one of my more evil systems, there’s a m4 script that is converted to XML by m4, and the XML is converted to a Makefile by XSLT, and the Makefile handles the actual build process (which consists of a pipeline of filtering stuff with XSLT). ;-) [02:17] ion_: Consider adding a port from Makefile to malbolge, and get malbolge entirely self-hosting, and submit upstream. Four passes sounds like too few, but more might make the dependencies awkward. [02:18] http://gitweb.heh.fi/?p=ion/heroes-scrape.git;a=blob;f=pipeline.m4;hb=HEAD is the file converted to a Makefile (and also a graph, http://heh.fi/heroes/heroes-scrape/pipeline.html) :-) [02:23] persia: The copyright years are missing as some of them are quite hard to find. I could add some of them. How ever they do not have any legal meaning. They are just hints for people who want to contact the copyright holder. And in this case there aren't really any copyright holders as the stuff has been placed into the public domain. [02:23] I'm not sure I fully understand what you think I should do. [02:23] My new copyright file has lots of information. [02:25] Sure you were reading the correct one? [02:26] cyberix: http://revu.tauware.de/revu1-incoming/malbolge-0801081640/malbolge-0.1.1/debian/copyright [02:27] Yes. That onw. [02:27] one [02:28] First, I'm presuming you're not following the new RFC822 format, as it doesn't match that. [02:28] So, if you're following the current format, http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/03/msg00023.html is the appropriate guideline. [02:30] Looking at your copyright as compared to the good example: it doesn't have "This package was...", "It was downloaded from: ...", and the structure differs significantly. The remainder of the content indicates good reasearch, and would be correct. [02:30] s/a// [02:35] I should avoid listing email addresses of upstream authors? [02:38] upstream authors should be ordered by age? [02:38] Reverse-engineering examples doesn't often work as you'd expect. [02:38] Gotta get some sleep now. [02:38] cyberix: Both the Authors: and Copyright: sections are fine. it's the rest I'm complaining about. [02:40] jonnymind: Good call on the ubuntu-motu email. While I'm not sure you'll have more luck there, it is the appropriate place to raise the dispute. [02:40] Who wants a review? [02:42] i do :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=libopengl-ruby [02:43] go persia, go persia :-) [02:43] snoutmate: The very name of your package makes me shiver. Is that really worthwhile prior to ruby 1.9? [02:43] bddebian: Feel like looking at hardware-connected, mscore, or livemix? [02:44] snoutmate: any reason why not ? [02:44] err [02:44] persia: any reason why not ? [02:45] persia: Look at, as in review? [02:45] snoutmate: relative speed of interpreter and GL calls, but maybe it's just me (and this won't influence my review). [02:45] bddebian: Yep :) === mwolson|test is now known as mwolson [02:45] bddebian: I failed to find any reason to reject any of them, and need some help. [02:46] persia: They were rejected? [02:46] bddebian: Not yet. Perhaps you can find a reason. [02:46] Oh, you want them rejected? ;-P [02:47] bddebian: Unless you can't find anything, yes :) [02:47] Off topic... If I package my own program, is it better to put debian/* into orig.tar.gz or into diff.gz? [02:48] The debian/ dir should never be in orig.tar.gz [02:48] ToyKeeper: diff.gz [02:48] persia: well it builds both against 1.8 and 1.9 if that's what you mean. I don't see the relevance of speed (yeah with 1.9 it's about 3x faster then with 1.8 and actually outperforms perl-opengl), as it is simple an update .. [02:49] snoutmate: We already have libopengl-ruby in the repos. Please submit an interdiff to the sponsors queue. [02:50] snoutmate: Also, you want "(LP: #182449)" to close the upgrde bug, rather than "- closes: #182449". [02:50] persia: yeah, but as this is large update (new project team, new build system, different installed files) i thought uploading to revu was appropriate (sorry i'm new to ubuntu packaging) [02:51] Okay, good. I guess I'm doing it right so far. :) [02:51] snoutmate: No problem. Based on the small debian/, I'm guessing the diff.gz is fairly small, and the main updates are upstream. Best to push to the sponsor queue so you're not waiting for Mondays, and to make sure the right people see it. [02:52] persia: ah, ok [02:52] Who else wants a review? [02:52] thanks [02:52] Could you please define pushing to the sponsor queue? Does that mean subscribing universe-sponsors (or whatever it was) to a new bug report with the interdiff attached? [02:54] ion_: Yes. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue, and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Interdiff for more information. [02:54] Thanks for the pointers. [02:57] Is bazaar still recommended for ubuntu packaging? I'm more familiar with hg, svn, and git, but could switch to be consistent. [02:57] I quite like git because it’s insanely faster than bzr and you can have the upstream stuff *and* the packaging in different branches under the same repository. [02:57] it dosent NEED to be in a svn [02:58] err RCS [02:58] That, too. [02:58] ion_: you can do the latter in bzr too [02:58] ToyKeeper: Last I checked, there were over 10,000 packages in the archive. While many people recommend bzr, there are also packages using cvs, svn, hg, git, etc. The vast majority don't use any VCS at all. [02:58] lifeless: In other news, I hit level 61 in WoW. :-) [02:58] lifeless: Yes, but bzr switch is more hassle than what git does. [02:58] StevenK: grats [02:58] imbrandon: VCS. rcs is a cvs precursor [02:58] StevenK: in oter news i hit lvl 14 :) [02:58] lifeless: Thanks :-) [02:59] imbrandon: You're playing? [02:59] StevenK: yea [02:59] StevenK: I've hit 70, and 1/3 attuned for kara [02:59] imbrandon: Which realm? [02:59] * StevenK is trying to sort out his Dreadsteed [02:59] Eldre'Thalas [03:00] I've been playing a bit with mercurial patch queues... seems good for packaging. But I got the impression that new packages use bazaar when possible. [03:00] WoW runs in Ubuntu? [03:00] somerville32: Runs very nicely on my amd64 [03:00] and i386 :) [03:00] imbrandon: I've got a level 61 warlock on Dath'Remar [03:01] Would it run on 1.6Ghz w/ 512mb of ram and a gForce 6 series? [03:01] Mine too. Although either something was screwy last night or there've been some recent wine regressions. [03:01] persia: Well there isn't much too hardware-connected :-) [03:01] I'm using the wine package from Gutsy directly. [03:01] StevenK: ME --> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Eldre%27Thalas&n=Cabaal [03:01] me also [03:01] ( wine from gutsy ) [03:01] somerville32: I would suggest more RAM. [03:01] ion_: Quick: defend your package against bddebian's accusation of uselessness [03:01] Bwahaha [03:01] heh [03:02] StevenK: it hasent updated yet, i'm 14 now [03:02] 14?? WTF? [03:02] Are there any free, MMORPGs that you guys play that I could play too? :P [03:02] bddebian: i just started playing friday :) [03:02] sigh, more WoW discussion :) [03:02] persia: Did someone claim it’s supposed to be useful? ;-) [03:02] Oh, level 14 [03:02] ajmitch: !!!! [03:02] ajmitch: ! [03:02] bddebian: what? [03:02] lol [03:02] * persia thought adding packages known to be useless to the archive was not preferred. [03:02] ajmitch: Haven't "seen" you in a while [03:02] persia: Not preferred by me [03:03] ajmitch: Welcome back [03:03] bddebian: that's because I haven't been around for awhile [03:03] persia: I'm not back [03:03] ajmitch: I know :-) [03:03] I have no internet connection at home still [03:03] nasty [03:03] Anyway, when you have a list of modaliases for some hardware (say, /usr/share/linux-restricted-modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias.override/nvidia) and you want to check whether any supported hardware exists in the system, hardware-connected is useful. [03:03] Urk [03:03] still waiting for phone & DSL to be connected [03:03] StevenK: i play on that server because some people at work do too [03:04] ( namely most of the DawnBringers Guild ) [03:04] imbrandon: http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Khaz%27goroth&n=Iosephus <-- me [03:04] * imbrandon looks [03:04] ajmitch: wow [03:04] Crusader of the Flame, eh? [03:05] Lamers [03:05] * StevenK digs his up [03:05] * somerville32 doesn't have one :( [03:06] imbrandon: that's nothing special [03:06] http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dath%27Remar&n=Kelleigh [03:06] ajmitch: better than my 3 day old lvl 14 :) [03:06] I haven’t retrieved the Amulet of Yendor and ascended yet. [03:06] imbrandon: 3 days? you must be addicted already :P [03:06] Haha [03:06] ascended ? heh , sounds like SG-1 [03:07] imbrandon: That's a nethack reference [03:07] ahh [03:07] ajmitch: Have you dug around Un'Goro Crater? [03:07] (Crappy zone that it is) [03:08] StevenK: of course [03:08] ajmitch: One of my friends was killing gorillas there and one of the loot items was an Empty Barrel [03:09] there's plenty of interesting loot that drops [03:09] * ajmitch wonders if people will put their names forward for the MC [03:09] I just love it due to the Donkey Kong reference. [03:09] Since i have a screen full of offtopicness already, perhaps pasting this to the channel doesn’t hurt. :-P http://johan.kiviniemi.name/blag/2008/01/10/svn-diff-git-diff-speed/ [03:09] imbrandon: You need to learn some professions. [03:09] http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Jubei'Thos&n=Canid [03:10] StevenK: yea i havent left the starting area yet [03:10] StevenK: i probably will later tonight [03:10] lifeless: good luck on those last 10 points in tailoring, they'll be expensive :) [03:10] Haha [03:10] jez, does eveyone play WoW :) heh [03:10] * bddebian doesn't [03:10] imbrandon: yes [03:10] I need to level my tailoring up [03:10] ajmitch: I have the next 5 lined up already [03:11] bddebian: buy the crack [03:11] I have 221 pieces of Runecloth that I can't turn into bolts. [03:11] ion_: yes, but svn is slow. [03:11] heh, they FINALY talked me into it at work [03:11] imbrandon: I'll stick to my single-player NWN thanks :) [03:11] A mage that skins. Interesting [03:11] StevenK: more monies [03:11] StevenK: money while levelling, and mats for higher level tailor items [03:12] * ajmitch had mining & skinning until not long ago [03:12] * imbrandon isnt sure what profession to takeup [03:12] imbrandon: what class are you ? [03:12] * somerville32 nominates persia for MC [03:12] hunter [03:12] lifeless: lvl 14 atm [03:13] skinning for sure [03:13] Except the Armory says level 12 [03:13] armory updates fail sometimes ;) [03:13] StevenK: it hasent updated today yet, i leveld 2 times earlier [03:13] Mmmm [03:13] * persia tasks each of imbrandon, StevenK, and lifeless with one review for filling backscroll with WoW [03:13] :-) [03:13] heh [03:14] I wish my Armory page would update - I'm the Lords of War now, not The Dark Tabards [03:14] s/the/in/ [03:14] imbrandon: also I'd probably suggest leather (makes mail uniques at high levels) or blacksmithing (also can make mail), or engineering (guns and shit) [03:14] yea i thought about mining and engneering [03:15] but definately skinning cause you are going to be killing SO MANY BEASTS as you level [03:15] yea most of the time i just let them lay [03:15] heh [03:15] * StevenK is pondering starting a Rogue after Kelleigh hits level 70 [03:15] i dont even loot anymore atm [03:15] also, three hints [03:15] Anyone willing to review package photoml (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=photoml)? It's already been advocated once (the previous upload, at least), so it should be very close to being acceptable. [03:15] 6 skill levels per character level [03:16] StevenK: if you roll a new char we should start a Ubuntu People Guild [03:16] loot everything [03:16] heh [03:16] buy the biggest bags you can, and upgrade every chance you get [03:16] StevenK: I've started a mage, anyway === jpatrick_ is now known as jpatrick [03:16] * StevenK has a level 24 mage [03:16] * ajmitch needs to get into the 25-man raiding a bit more though [03:17] Is there any free MMORPGs that are like WoW? :P [03:17] It sounds like fun [03:18] lifeless: By that count, you'd hit skill level 375 during 62->63 [03:18] And I was just wondering. How many of you guys complain about using restricted drivers but rely on them to pay WoW? :P [03:18] WoW is too addicting. [03:18] *play [03:18] I don't complain about them. :-) [03:18] heh heh [03:18] i dont complain about them [03:18] neither do I, though I'd really like some free drivers :) [03:18] hello jml [03:19] ajmitch: hi [03:19] flash == much more evil than drivers [03:19] jdong: ping [03:20] persia: i would but it takes a certain mindset for me to review, and $time-of-day isnt now [03:20] heh [03:20] * RAOF occasionally bitches about restricted drivers, and does something about it by building nouveau drivers. [03:20] RAOF: I imagine that WoW wouldn't overly tax nouveau drivers once the various pieces are in place [03:21] ajmitch: Such as any form of textured 3d. [03:21] We should get a #ubuntu-gaming or #ubuntu-game channel going :P [03:21] StevenK: 375/60 [03:22] -wow :) [03:22] join #ubuntu-wow [03:22] lifeless: That's 6.25, though [03:23] StevenK: yes, a little down is tolerable; its about matching the mats you gather to your skill [03:23] persia, bddebian: I posted a use case to http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=hardware-connected [03:23] lifeless: Mmmm. [03:23] lifeless: I need more Mageweave. About 50 bolts, by my count. :-( [03:23] I suspect I will be running ZF again for it. [03:23] StevenK: right; and you are not gathering it any more, because you let your skill get too far behind your level [03:24] lifeless: No, because I ran out of Mageweave. [03:25] ion_: Do you need this for the updated nvidia drivers you're working on? [03:26] StevenK: yes, I know you did:) if you'd been trying to keep things synced you could have run areas you'd still get yellow xp for ;) [03:26] persia: I’m not currently working on nvidia drivers, but i’ve considered implementing exactly that change in linux-restricted-modules. [03:26] Ah [03:26] persia: That was my inspiration for writing hardware-connected in the first place, since i implemented that as a sh function and noticed it was unbearably slow. [03:28] ion_: Well, it's been advocated all it needs for universe, but that would require migration to main. I suspect you could get one of your l-r-m sponsors to upload if there's a good chance that an MIR would be approved. [03:29] I’m not sure how soon the nvidia-glx thing could be implemented, and others might find hardware-connected useful for other things, so i was thinking it should go to universe for now. [03:29] ion_: If you're just striving for universe, advertise for an uploader. [03:30] Will do. [03:36] * persia wonders about the difference between "speed" and "speed-game" [03:36] * persia archives "speed" [03:55] Hi everyone, I created the ubuntu package from the actual debian package for gnucash 2.2.3 and I wish to upload it to repositories, so I would need a MOTU to review my work and accept it for Hardy. [03:55] This package includes the upstream fix for a high priority bug with scheduled transaction, use the recently changed libgif ( bug #174252 ) in build-depends and fix bug #179104 [03:55] Launchpad bug 174252 in libungif4 "transition to libgif" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174252 [03:55] Launchpad bug 179104 in gnucash "[hardy] Please sync 2.2.2 from debian" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179104 [03:56] also bug #155059 [03:56] Launchpad bug 155059 in grisbi "Description does not contain the word money" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/155059 [03:57] the new gnucash source package is here [03:57] http://upload.leservicetechnique.com/bugs/gnucash_2.2.3.tar.gz [03:58] saivann: This is a merge from debian? [03:58] persia : right [03:59] saivann: Is there a merge bug? [03:59] anyone got a sec to help me with an error building something with pbuilder? [03:59] I'm getting the error here with intltool: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=525284 [03:59] but since I'm using pbuilder I can't just make a ln -s for getting around the intltool searching only current dir [03:59] persia : Actual debian unstable package + ubuntu bug fix that I mentionned and a fix for the missing icon for ubuntu which is already applied to the current ubuntu gnucash version [04:00] persia : A merge bug? [04:00] rick_h_: What environment are you running in? Dapper has intltool 0.35.0-0ubuntu1. Is there maybe a missing build-dependency? [04:00] !merging | saivann [04:00] saivann: Merging is the process of including changes from other distributions (most commonly Debian) into Ubuntu packages, and is typically a major focus at the beginning of each Ubuntu development cycle. Please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Merging for more information. [04:00] persia: I'm in gutsy with a gutsy pbuilder install [04:00] persia : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnucash/+bug/179104 [04:00] Launchpad bug 179104 in gnucash "[hardy] Please sync 2.2.2 from debian" [Wishlist,New] [04:01] intltool is in the control as a build requirement and when pbuilder runs it shows it getting intltool [04:01] so it seems that it just isn't looking in the right spot [04:01] saivann: Since you need to add an additional patch, retitle the bug as a merge, attach your debdiff against Debian, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors [04:01] persia: paste of pbuilder here: http://paste.avwsystems.com/paste/79 [04:01] persia : Sorry I didn't know that procedure, do you want me to provide needed debdiffs between the debian version and my actual ubuntu version? [04:02] persia : Ok I'll do it in the next minutes, thanks [04:02] saivann: Yes. Please provide a debdiff with all proposed Ubuntu variation from debian, and subscribe the sponsors. Someone will review, and either upload or reject with an explanantion. [04:02] persia : Thanks [04:04] persia: What's speed-game like? [04:05] bddebian: Haven't tried it. channel traffic included a couple good reviews (nice game, fun). [04:06] Hmm [04:06] rick_h_: Looks to me like there might be a missing file for the intltool check in the upstream tarball. [04:06] Not that I can get jack shit done on the Games Team anyway [04:07] ok, maybe I'll see about trying a bug report in intltool and see what happens then [04:07] bddebian: I thought you just played WoW [04:07] I never play WoW :-) [04:09] rick_h_: I'm not convinced it is a problem with intltool. The error message says "awk: cannot open ./intltool-update.in (No such file or directory)", so I'm guessing that either the script calling awk is being given the wrong path, or that the tarball is missing a file. [04:10] s/being given/giving/ [04:10] Damn, sdlmame is still not in Ubuntu? [04:10] LaserJock: Thanks for the Golden Pony [04:11] Heh, xmame is usually lagging... and I doubt there's as much demand for sdlmame. [04:11] persia: yea, it might be something with the autotools stuff this app is using [04:11] So I'm going to start with the original app mailing list and see what anyone else says [04:11] bddebian: it's really close... [04:12] ScottK: np [04:13] If I knew all it took was being grumpy and argumentative .... [04:14] if all it took was being grumpy, I'd have received a truckload of them [04:15] ajmitch: Must have needed more argumentative then. [04:15] probably [04:15] ScottK: well, even though I don't always agree, I do appreciate somebody taking a firm philosophical stand. Helps keep us honest ;-) [04:16] I prefer to leave the arguing to others, helps with my stress [04:16] * persia thinks if more people agreed with ScottK, we'd have a poor forum for discussion [04:16] LaserJock: Thanks. It takes extremists on both sides to keep to a happy middle. [04:16] * ScottK disagrees with persia. [04:16] Wanna argue? ;-) [04:16] hehe [04:17] ScottK: No value. Your offer demonstrates the value of contrarianism :p [04:18] * ScottK disagrees. [04:18] It demonstrates the value of humor. [04:19] well, I'm afraid this was most likely the last of the Golden Ponies, at least from me [04:19] why the last? [04:19] LaserJock: Why? [04:20] a few reasons [04:20] I'll be graduating/looking for a job/moving when Hardy is finished [04:20] I'm really not very creative [04:20] LaserJock: You just need to add more judges to the Aurean Equine Academy [04:21] that would work [04:21] I would love nominations or something [04:21] but I just don't want people to get upset if they don't get one [04:21] and I don't know as many people as I used to :/ [04:21] * ajmitch isn't completely upset for missing out [04:21] I know that it's not because you hate me (or at least I hope it's not) :) [04:22] heh [04:22] So, pick two or four more judges (odd numbers are good), get their acceptance, and put out a call for nominations around Beta Freeze. That ought produce something useful for just after release :) [04:23] LaserJock: Congratulations on the graduating bit. [04:23] ScottK: heh, well it hasn't happened yet [04:23] but it's supposed to [04:23] * ajmitch wonders if he could collect some 'MOTU emeritus' title [04:23] ohhhh, nice [04:23] We can call \sh_away motu-reloaded. [04:24] haha [04:24] ajmitch: That's not a bad idea. How would you imagine "MOTU emeritus" status to be granted? [04:24] retirement in good-standing? [04:24] hehe [04:25] LaserJock: I'm not exactly in good standing though [04:25] well, you aren't in bad standing :p [04:25] dunno about that [04:25] maybe you're just lucky to be standing ... [04:25] I haven't been lynched yet [04:25] * bddebian gets the ropes [04:26] * persia files some removal bugs [04:26] see [04:27] ajmitch: Actually, should all of gnue-* go, or just the ones that will break when bddebian finishes excising wx2.4? [04:28] persia: Already being done it appears [04:28] * persia checks bugs again [04:29] I mean excising wx2.4 [04:29] * ajmitch shrugs, probably all [04:29] ajmitch: Thanks. [04:32] hmm, this looks nifty/useful: http://www.chris-lamb.co.uk/2008/01/14/gnome-applet-for-monitoring-debian-bugs/ [04:39] LaserJock: be nice if it was a deskbar plugin [04:40]