[00:00] <SportChick> hi PriceChild ikonia
[00:01] <ikonia> hi
[00:14] <LjL> the f
[00:14] <LjL> he wasn't banned from #k
[00:14] <LjL> njan, haven't we had enough of this one?
[00:14] <njan> LjL, what's the problem?
[00:15] <LjL> njan: always bedpan/romney. pasted the same stuff as you probably know in #kubuntu (not just the link - the whole thing).
[00:15] <njan> LjL, how recently?
[00:15] <LjL> njan: 00:13:51 UTC
[00:16] <LjL> i banned him at 00:14:01
[00:16] <PriceChild> LjL, did he get #ubuntu?
[00:16] <LjL> PriceChild: no, he's banforwarded from there to here... it's LinuxBoi
[00:16] <LjL> aka romney aka etc
[00:17] <PriceChild> Ah thankyou.
[00:17] <njan> LjL, ty
[00:18] <LjL> njan: he's probably about to do it in #lisp
[00:18] <njan> yeah, I'm in #lisp
[00:18] <njan> I notice he's joined #xubuntu - has he said anything in ther eyet?
[00:18] <LjL> ah yes so you are.
[00:18] <LjL> i'm not in #x
[00:18] <PriceChild> Yes
[00:19] <PriceChild> but he just stopped...
[00:20] <LjL> PriceChild: he waits for someone to actually ask him about it.
[00:20] <LjL> doing the same in #lisp
[00:20] <PriceChild> ah ok
[00:20] <njan> He won't be a problem any more. :)
[00:20] <PriceChild> There he goes.
[00:20] <PriceChild> Thanks njan.
[00:20] <njan> np.
[00:20] <Seveas> on the K train?
[00:21] <njan> Seveas, that's the one.
[00:21] <PriceChild> LjL, get yourself on access for #xubuntu?
[00:21] <Seveas> choo choo!
[00:21] <LjL> PriceChild: honestly i haven't joined in ages
[00:21] <PriceChild> Seveas, you need to get one of those train-driver hats
[00:21] <njan> I'll leave you folks to it; shout if he comes back, please ;)
[00:21] <PriceChild> blue, with the stripes
[00:21] <Seveas> PriceChild, I only have the whistle :)
[00:21] <LjL> njan: i will. though he's kept that .mx address for quite a while
[00:22] <njan> oki.
[00:28] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, jdh6403 said: ubotu is the only bot welcome here   and he is all muscular and tan and admired
[00:29] <PriceChild> I think someone is getting a little too attached...
[00:30] <LjL> ubotu, part #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:30] <PriceChild> haha
[00:33] <PriceChild> Seveas, has ubotu's deleted factoids been cleared out properly?
[00:33] <Seveas> a while ago
[00:33] <PriceChild> thanks
[00:34] <Seveas> sqlite> select count(*) from facts where value like '<deleted>';
[00:34] <Seveas> 0
[00:34] <Seveas> duh
[00:34] <Seveas> sqlite> select count(*) from facts where value like '<deleted>%';
[00:34] <Seveas> 48
[00:36] <Seveas> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51847/
[00:37] <PriceChild> Hehe I like mneptok's super secret download link
[00:37] <Seveas> :)
[00:37]  * PriceChild naively wonders if it points anywhere
[00:37] <Seveas> it does
[00:38] <Seveas> there's a recursive symlink in there
[00:38] <PriceChild> hehe yup
[00:39] <PriceChild> haha at mez's autoreply factoid addition
[00:40] <Mez> ...
[00:40] <Mez> ?
[00:40] <PriceChild> 2062|this|Mez!n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez|<deleted>an autoreply: I am currently not available. Please leave your message, and I will get back to you as soon as possible.
[00:40] <Mez> don't even remember that
[00:40] <PriceChild> Mez, because your autoreply did it whilst you were away?
[00:41] <Mez> probably I set myself away and sent stuff to ubotu - or something
[00:42] <Seveas> tsk tsk
[00:42] <Seveas> nasty boy mez
[00:42] <Mez> :O
[00:49] <PriceChild> malicious
[01:19] <PriceChild> Hey Kouen, how can I help?
[01:37] <Kouen> sorry i am back
[01:37] <Kouen> i just entered to ubuntu channel and mirc says that i was unable to enter the channel ... address is banned
[01:37] <Kouen> but how can it be if it is my first time that i enter this server?
[01:40] <LjL> Kouen, i suggest you change your "real name" to either reflect your real name, or at least to use clean language
[01:41] <Kouen> ok
[01:41] <Kouen> sorry... ops... it was by that??
[01:43] <Kouen> ok thanks
[01:50] <ubotu> In ubotu, dontpanic0 said: what is ubuntu
[01:52] <PriceChild> dontpanic0, no need to apologise or w/e, we get that all the time. /msg ubotu bot
[03:36] <crdlb> heh @ the floodbots
[06:24] <ubotu> DrDerek called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic (sorush23)
[06:25] <elkbuntu> um... 'poo', 'fart'? do we have an 8yrold troll?
[06:26] <Madpilot> observe the /topic in -offtopic. sorush appears to be extra confused today.
[08:14] <jussi01> stdin: smart alec :P
[08:15] <stdin> jussi01: just be glad you didn't say "good morning", you'd have had an even more sarcastic response :p
[08:15] <jussi01> LOL
[08:33] <jussi01> morning Gary
[08:33] <Gary> morning
[09:43] <dunebuggy> i have a question about this server
[09:44] <Gary> whats the question?
[09:45] <dunebuggy> i have created a forum and would like to have a irc channel, dont know how
[09:45]  * stdin points to #freenode
[09:45] <dunebuggy> i know i can create a free one, but i wanted it to be up all the time
[09:45] <dunebuggy> i use to be slick with irc
[09:46] <dunebuggy> how are all these rooms shelled?
[09:46] <dunebuggy> oh i missed that
[09:46] <dunebuggy> freenode is for free channels?
[09:47] <Dave2> freenode is the network you're on
[09:47] <dunebuggy> lol
[09:47] <dunebuggy> i guess i should have looked
[09:48] <dunebuggy> what im trying to say, is when the last person leaves the channel, how do you get it to say open?
[09:48] <stdin> #freenode is the place to ask that
[09:48] <dunebuggy> ahh, thank you
[09:48] <dunebuggy> sorry for my ignorance
[12:08] <KaoticEvil> anyone know why an IDE drive would detect as SCSI during the install of ubuntu-server?
[12:11] <TheSheep> KaoticEvil: this is not a help channel
[12:11] <KaoticEvil> ... howd i get here?
[12:12] <Pici> Magic.
[12:12] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[12:13] <ikonia> piff puff poof, and your gone
[12:13] <Pici> Exactly.
[12:15] <KaoticEvil> why cant i get into #ubuntu?
[12:15] <KaoticEvil> rawr
[12:15] <Pici> KaoticEvil: Let me check our logs, hold on.
[12:15] <KaoticEvil> k, thanks
[12:20] <Pici> KaoticEvil: Found it.
[12:20] <Pici> !away | KaoticEvil
[12:20] <KaoticEvil> ....
[12:20] <ubotu> KaoticEvil: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu-ops - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also  !Guidelines
[12:20] <Pici> KaoticEvil: Please disable your noisy /away script in #ubuntu.
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> was most likely an auto-away, and it has been disabled
[12:21] <Pici> KaoticEvil: Allright, you can rejoin.
[12:21] <KaoticEvil> thanks :)
[12:21] <Pici> hrm... odd that it wasn't in the tracker.
[12:22] <jussi01> Pici: yeah, I couldnt see it anywhere, what did you do, grep logs?
[12:22] <Pici> jussi01: yeah.
[12:23] <Pici> I saw it in /bans, and hoped I was idle when it happened.
[12:26] <Pici> marcx: Can we help you?
[12:27] <marcx> sry
[12:27] <marcx> this channel is just only for ops?
[12:27] <Pici> Yes.
[12:27] <Pici> marcx: Were you trying to get into #ubuntu and got here instead?
[12:28] <marcx> I don't know how I connected cause this channel is not in my start list of Konversation
[12:28] <Pici> marcx: Looks like you were forwarded from #ubuntu because of a noisy away script.
[12:28] <Pici> !away | marcx please read
[12:28] <ubotu> marcx please read: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu-ops - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also  !Guidelines
[12:28] <marcx> yes
[12:28] <marcx> exactly
[12:29] <marcx> channel #ubuntu missing
[12:29] <marcx> how can I get back?
[12:30] <Pici> marcx: Can you please disable your script that announces when you are away, or part #ubuntu before you use it?
[12:31] <marcx> yes I trying but I can't find it where is it
[12:34] <marcx> I can't find it
[12:34] <marcx> can someone help me plz
[12:35] <Pici> marcx: yeah, looking.
[12:35] <marcx> Konversation 1.0.1
[12:35] <marcx> ahh
[12:35] <marcx> u know it
[12:36] <Pici> Found it?
[12:36] <marcx> not yet
[12:36] <Pici> oh.
[12:36] <marcx> should be ok
[12:37] <marcx> but I can't go back
[12:37] <Pici> You found it?
[12:37] <marcx> 470 Forwarding to another channel
[12:37] <marcx> yes
[12:37] <Pici> Yes, because I need to manually lift it.
[12:37] <marcx> it was in Identities
[12:38] <marcx> 10min I'll be back
[12:38] <marcx> I have to go to shop
[12:39] <Pici> marcx: You can rejoin now.
[12:39] <marcx> ok
[12:39] <marcx> thnx a lot
[12:50] <ubotu> ikonia called the ops in #ubuntu (fath flooding)
[12:51] <Pici> darn, I'm slow today.
[13:16] <Hobbsee> LjL: yes, unfortunately, i dont' get paid to work on ubuntu, and have lots to do, so you'll have to forgive me if i don't do everything immediately.  the first i heard of it having been created was when the reports of it being shut down came thru.
[13:22] <Hobbsee> 07:44 <+nalioth> i honestly do not see why we have to have #kubuntu-kde4 when
[13:22] <Hobbsee>                  we have #ubuntu+1
[13:22] <Hobbsee> nalioth: because the kde4 packages are not only in hardy.  end of story.
[13:22] <ikonia> Hobbsee: it was dicussed in hear yesterday that hardy will ship with kde4 ?
[13:22] <ikonia> is that not true ?
[13:23] <ikonia> (I appriciate you told me it was 3.5 a few days ago) hence the confusion yesterday
[13:23]  * Hobbsee wishes people would actually read the bloody meeting logs, and read the blog posts, before commenting, so that people don't have to explain again and again
[13:23] <Hobbsee> there will be 2 versions of hardy - kde3, and kde4.
[13:23] <ikonia> Hobbsee: I did read, it said 3.5
[13:23] <ikonia> ooh two actual releases
[13:23] <Hobbsee> kde4 will be the default cd, but you'll still be able to get the other
[13:23] <Hobbsee> yes....
[13:24] <Hobbsee> stdin: while you have kde3-based releases, you will still need #kubuntu as kde3.
[13:25] <Hobbsee> assuming you actually plan to support what's known as supported releases, anyway
[13:25] <stdin> Hobbsee: I would think both KDE3 and KDE4 would be in #kubuntu when hardy is released
[13:25] <Hobbsee> stdin: why, though?  they're going to be completely differnet apps, with completely different support answers.
[13:26] <Hobbsee> and people ar elikely to be only running one or the other.
[13:26] <stdin> Hobbsee: because #kubuntu = Kubuntu support, and Kubuntu will have both
[13:27]  * Hobbsee would imagine #kubuntu and #kubuntu-kde4 would both be for kubuntu support, no?
[13:27]  * Hobbsee would have thought that the downsides of having two channels was more than definetly reversed by the lack fo wrong answers for questions, due to assuming the wrong version of kde.
[13:29] <stdin> Hobbsee: would #kubuntu-kde4 be only KDE4 questions? so if someone wanted to know how to install, say, samba they should ask only in #kubuntu ?
[13:29] <Hobbsee> stdin: i would assume it would be "if you're urnning a kde4 version of kubuntu, ask stuff in -kde4, else ask in #kubuntu"
[13:30] <Hobbsee> stdin: as it stands, surely a "install samba" button in kde3 and 4 would be in different places?
[13:30] <Hobbsee> and the package manager would be different?
[13:30]  * Hobbsee is unsure how different it would look and act, but certainly some
[13:31] <stdin> Hobbsee: what happens when hardy and hardy+1 (or hardy+2) come out, when more users have KDE4 than have KDE3? will there still be #kubuntu for KDE3 and -kde4 for KDE4?
[13:32] <Hobbsee> stdin: i've been thinking about that.
[13:32] <Hobbsee> stdin: depending on how frequent the kde3 questions are, we either assimilate it all into #kubuntu, or create #kubuntu-kde3.
[13:32] <ikonia> seems the kde status has caused a real layout issue for ubuntu
[13:33] <Hobbsee> ikonia: it's more an issue of people not actually talking to each other, and doing things without checking with people who might actually care about it.
[13:33]  * stdin thinks we need a long term plan
[13:33] <ikonia> that seems fair comment
[13:33] <Hobbsee> stdin: at that point, i'd say assimilate into #kubuntu
[13:33] <Hobbsee> and just forward #kubuntu-kde4
[13:34] <Hobbsee> i think the # of kde3 people wanting support will still be quite high, for quite a while
[13:34] <Hobbsee> however, i think tha taround 4.1, or whenever it appears to be stable, and feature par with kde3, i think a lot of people will switch.
[13:35] <Hobbsee> or at least, for the kubuntu release corresponding to that.
[13:35] <stdin> Hobbsee: so we'll keep -kde4 open for the foreseeable future and reassess after 4.1?
[13:35] <Hobbsee> stdin: s/4.1/whatever release is deemed stable and runnable by everyone, and feature-par with kde3.5/
[13:35] <Hobbsee> stdin: but yes, that would certainly be the best plan, imo.
[13:36] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, kde4 user population will spike when the ubuntu release comes, then shrink as certain types of people go squealing back to kde3
[13:36] <stdin> that's at least a plan, didn't have one 5mins ago
[13:36] <ikonia> do you think this is a testing ground for future non-stable releases available at ubuntu release time ?
[13:36] <Hobbsee> stdin: was in my head for a while, but :)
[13:36] <Hobbsee> stdin: no one asked, so i didn't go on too far.
[13:36] <Hobbsee> as it is, we know that nalioth will just say "i don't think it's necessary.  end of story"
[13:37] <Hobbsee> ikonia: what do you mean?
[13:37] <stdin> Hobbsee: we all know nalioth's position ;)
[13:37] <Hobbsee> ikonia: as in, a replacement #ubuntu+1 or something?
[13:37] <Hobbsee> stdin: yeah, so i didn't see the point of putting across my views too far :)
[13:37] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, he would need a better reason than that for vetoing the rest of the council
[13:38] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: this is true. it's certainly true that people will go back to kde3, when they see kde4, so will require support on kde3.
[13:38] <ikonia> Hobbsee: no, sorry. I mean say ubuntu is released 2 days before gnome 3 is out
[13:38] <ikonia> a model for when there is potential version conflicts / availability
[13:39] <ikonia> (my wording on that is terrible)
[13:39] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: sure, but why does he need to have an official veto, when he's a staffer, and can just close channels as he likes, as he's a GC?
[13:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia: ahh, i see.  well, it'd depend if they planned to release 2.x and 3.x concurrently.
[13:39] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, because that would end in a dissolution of trust and a vote of no confidence from at least one of us
[13:39] <Hobbsee> ikonia: and if they waited to release 3.x until it was feature-par, and reasonably bug free
[13:40] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i thought he'd already closed it once, no?
[13:40] <ikonia> Hobbsee: be interesting to see how the kde3/4 situation works out, as I said could be a potential solid model
[13:40] <Hobbsee> ikonia: this is true.
[13:40] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, and he now knows what *we* think
[13:40] <PriceChild> What's happenned?
[13:40] <Hobbsee> ikonia: by the time gnome3 hits, the channels may well be split out anyway
[13:40] <Hobbsee> that's the other thing - this is a semi-pilot for what happens if we split #ubuntu up
[13:40] <ikonia> gnome3 was a bad example ;)
[13:41] <Hobbsee> ikonia: on the contrary.  i got your point :)
[13:41] <ikonia> good good
[13:41] <ikonia> same could be true of future kernel releases 2.8 for example with the random device id allocation
[13:42] <ikonia> but thats probably too far
[13:42] <Hobbsee> aieee....
[13:42]  * Hobbsee thinks ubuntu would straight-switch, in that case.
[13:42] <ubotu> dgjones called the ops in #ubuntu (billlyboy (serial spammer is back))
[13:42] <ikonia> I meant not just dekstop changes, core components
[13:42] <ikonia> again 2.8 was a tad extreme example
[13:43] <PriceChild> What on earth is going on?
[13:43] <PriceChild> jdong, make a britishism and die.
[13:44] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: discussing the kde4 stuff
[13:44] <elkbuntu> eww, spammer with a filthy vhost
[13:44] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ah, good.  right
[13:44] <PriceChild> I understood that much....?
 Hobbsee, he would need a better reason than that for vetoing the rest of the council ???
[13:46] <LjL> [14:16] <Hobbsee> LjL: yes, unfortunately, i dont' get paid to work on ubuntu, and have lots to do, so you'll have to forgive me if i don't do everything immediately.  the first i heard of it having been created was when the reports of it being shut down came thru.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> [00:36] <Hobbsee> as it is, we know that nalioth will just say "i don't think it's necessary.  end of story"
[13:46] <Hobbsee> waswhat that related to
[13:46] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: ^
[13:47] <PriceChild> But he didn't shut it down did he?
[13:47] <PriceChild> I did.
[13:47] <Hobbsee> ahhh, i was under the impression that he did
[13:47] <Hobbsee> but i saw it still registered
[13:47] <LjL> i certainly don't blame you for not knowing or doing everything, Hobbsee, however you'll certainly understand that if the first time you heard of it was when it was shut down, then it was pretty reasonable for us to shut it down to begin with. which we actually didn't, because we were (wrongly? unsure) under the impression that it wasn't yet entirely decided. stdin wasn't sure whether it was supposed to be open or not, and mostly we thought people were
[13:47] <LjL> joining it without it *actually* being open.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> LjL: of when i heard about it actually existing in practice, not just the theoretical idea, which was what it had been up till now.
[13:48] <LjL> and as i said, while you certainly have a right to decide which channels you want under the kubuntu umbrella, a channel with one op, no topic, no bot etc. is hardly a channel i consider "open" and am comfortable with users joining
[13:48] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, it was only like 2hrs old when it was shut down, iirc
[13:48] <Hobbsee> LjL: true.  unadvertised and such.
[13:49] <PriceChild> Pretty much as soon as it was discussed with Hobbsee, that it was understood it was wanted/needed, it was re-openned?
[13:49]  * PriceChild fails to see the object/point of discussion here.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i force reopened it, without having spoken to nalioth or others of the council
[13:49]  * Hobbsee thought nalioth had decided to forwad it.
[13:49] <LjL> Hobbsee: i didn't ask for it to be closed down due to disagreeing with its existence (although i kind of do, but that's not for me to decide in the end), i asked for it to be *temporarily forwarded* because it didn't meet the normal requirements for any normal ubuntu irc channel
[13:50] <LjL> Hobbsee, he might have, i did ask for it to happen though
[13:50] <Hobbsee> LjL: right.  which then states that you have a requirement for any ubuntu channel to be set up, in full capacity, immediately.
[13:50] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, "force?"
[13:50] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i asked jussi to give me ops there, then reopened it myself.
[13:50] <PriceChild> right ok
[13:51] <Hobbsee> without having an answer from the council
[13:51] <LjL> Hobbsee: since you're the #kubuntu contact, you had in my opinion every right to reopen it. but it's also my opinion that we had a right to close it, seeing as it was not clear whether it was officially endorsed and, in any case, didn't meet a channel's requirements
[13:51] <PriceChild> jussi01, gave me full access to the channel. And told me to do what the council wanted with it. He did *NOT* say anything about how kubuntu wanted it, that it had been discussed or anything of that nature.
[13:51] <PriceChild> So it was closed.
[13:51] <Hobbsee> LjL: why did it not meet the channel requirements?
[13:52]  * Hobbsee is unfamiliar that channels have requirements, especially in the first 48 hours or so of creation.
[13:52] <LjL> Hobbsee: one op, no topic, no bots, no factoids pointing to it, no staff in the access list, no nothing
[13:52] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh yes they do, *especially* then
[13:52] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, it wasn't really created? Yeah it was registered... but nothing was done, and then it was given up to me.
[13:52] <Hobbsee> do you have a URL to such a list?
[13:52] <Hobbsee> clearly i'll need to refamiliarise myself with ubuntu channel creation guidelines then.
[13:53]  * Hobbsee doesn't recall seeing tha ton the irc wiki pages
[13:53] <Hobbsee> and if it's just in your head...i didn't have my psychic cereal this morning.
[13:53] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, what do you believe should have been done?
[13:53] <LjL> Hobbsee: if you want a URL you can see  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Coordination - however, it's mostly common sense, and if you had dropped us a note, we could have taken care of it. you'll see in my PMs that i was waiting for *you* to okay the channel, since it wasn't clear to others whether it should be open.
[13:54] <LjL> Hobbsee: which doesn't mean i blame you for not having the time to leave us a note -- that's just saying that you shouldn't be so surprised we temporarily forwarded it back
[13:54] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: afaics, it was harmless in current state.  it had been open for a couple of hours, and was otherwise unpublished.  would have thought you'd give it at least 24/48 hours to account for timezone skew, even though it did not have a WIP banner.  after that, sure, i agree that you could have closed it without a problem.
[13:55] <LjL> Hobbsee, we closed it because of reports that users were *joining* it.
[13:55] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, even when the channel contact gave it up to me? Saying basically he didn't know what to do with it?
[13:55] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i've no idea why that was done
[13:55] <PriceChild> there we g
[13:55] <PriceChild> o
[13:56]  * Pici thinks we're overdue for another irc-council meeting
[13:56] <LjL> Pici: thanks, we know
[13:56] <Hobbsee> seems odd to open a channel, just to hand it to a irc council member, with the idea of closing it.
[13:56] <elkbuntu> Pici, come back in about 22 hours
[13:56] <Hobbsee> awww, shist.
[13:56] <elkbuntu> er 21 hrs
[13:56] <Hobbsee> i have to work then, too.
[13:56]  * Pici shuts up
[13:58] <Hobbsee> LjL: granted, it would have been easier for me to open it, and do all the stuff at the same time.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> LjL: that said, it's not a bad idea for new people to open channels, and slowly work thru all the required stuff to go with them - it's teaching the youngins.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> because they will eventually replace us when we're old and bitter at irc.
[13:59] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: i guess i'm also surprised that you didn't tell jussi01 all the other stuff that he needed to set up, when he spoke with you about changing the channel info over.
[14:00] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, no, he just gave me level 48 and told me to do what the council thought was best...
[14:00] <LjL> Hobbsee, well then this time they've learned that the way to open a channel is to 1) register it 2) *set it +stnmif #oldchannel* 3) work through setting a topic, making an access list, updating bot factoids to reflect the new channel 4) give a NOTICE in the relevant channels that the new channel is open, and unforward it
[14:01] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, what other required stuff should i have tought?
[14:01] <PriceChild> *taught
[14:01] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: a mention that it didn't have  one op, no topic, no bots, no factoids pointing to it, no staff in the access list, no nothing" and it needed to.
[14:01] <Hobbsee> bah.  there was supposed to be an extra " in there.
[14:02] <Hobbsee> LjL: right, but if you require that much red tape, i want to see it on a wiki somewhere, in a logical place.
[14:02] <Hobbsee> because that refers to all locos, etc, there as well, and they'r enot going to guess that kind of stuff.
[14:02] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, I don't think that was the point... if the council would have decided it was to stay then we would have done that. However it just seemed randomly created, no kubuntu side backing it etc. and we closed it before getting a proper opinion from people.
[14:03] <Hobbsee> PriceChild: oh, so then presumably loco channels announce new channels in #ubuntu-irc and not #ubuntu-ops, which is why i don't see it?
[14:03] <LjL> Hobbsee, no, that doesn't refer to locos, it refers to all channels in the namespace we handle. anyway, sure, it will be put into a step-by-step guide if that's needed. there is already such a thing about *closing* a channel, i suppose one about *opening* one will only be useful.
[14:03] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, a new main support channel being set up is a little different to a loco channel
[14:04] <LjL> Hobbsee, not a matter of announcing really... loco channels create sub-channels without announcing them, and we really only intervene if their teams *complain* about it. i can't go through /list every single minute. #ubuntu #kubuntu #xubuntu are slightly higher in my priority list however.
[14:05] <elkbuntu> btw, the answer for this is likely 'feeling intimidated', but only jussi01 can validate this theory or not: <Hobbsee> seems odd to open a channel, just to hand it to a irc council member, with the idea of closing it.
[14:05] <jussi01> Ok, im here.
[14:06] <jussi01> quite simply, as I said to Hobbsee: [16:02] <jussi01> I dont really want to get involved in the discussion there, but just to add to that, I wasnt sure of the presiding authority, so I didnt want to go set everything up and then have it all closed down. otherwise I would of asked what it needed.
[14:07] <jussi01> I handed it to PriceChild as I felt he waas a competant authority to get it sorted.
[14:07] <Hobbsee> LjL: next time i'll make up a group-contact-freenode-like form, in triplicate, sign it, and email it to you.  and send a copy via snailmail, to each of the members of the council.   will that be beurocratic enough for your liking?
[14:07] <elkbuntu> so i'm not entirely off target then?
[14:07] <LjL> jussi01, however if you told us that the kubuntu council or even just hobbsee were fine with it and wanted it to be open right away, i for one wouldn't have assumed you were lying, and would have helped setting it up rather than explaining why i didn't find it a good idea.
[14:08] <PriceChild> LjL, indeed
[14:08] <jussi01> LjL: I beleive jpatrick said just the thing
[14:08] <LjL> Hobbsee: yes, it would.
[14:08] <Hobbsee> LjL: great, OK then :)
[14:09] <LjL> Hobbsee: conversely i ask, when we know of a channel in the namespace that has no topic, no one in the access list, etc, do we need to email all Councils in triplicate, etc, before +mif'ing it?
[14:09] <LjL> you know, that's something we do pretty much daily
[14:10] <Hobbsee> LjL: the relevant council.  and yes, that'd be nice.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> unless you know it's a troll channel.
[14:10] <PriceChild> Well then its a shame we missed jpatrick's comment.
[14:10] <elkbuntu> LjL, i think it's fair to assume that docile channels are clearly different from troll channels
[14:11] <LjL> elkbuntu, #ubuntu-kde isn't a troll channel for instance. but yesterday i just asked for it to be forwarded to #kubuntu (look at the topic, it was set even before).
[14:12] <LjL> i do things that i think make sense. when a channel isn't ready to be opened, it makes sense to me to keep it closed
[14:12] <elkbuntu> and i think it's fair to assume that a trusted regular such as jussi01 would not exactly start a troll channel... and may have merely got sidetracked in the making process?
[14:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: i also think it is relevant to check if a regular support person, or a random person opened it.
[14:12] <Hobbsee> if it's someone known to us, by being an ubuntu support person, kubuntu support person, etc, then yes, they should get the courtesy of an email before it gets closed down
[14:13] <LjL> elkbuntu, you're also working under the assumption that +mif means "it's shut down, don't ever think of opening it again". it may mean that sometimes, but other times it simply means that the channel isn't *yet* open and ready for primetime.
[14:13] <jussi01> also, I did ost the minutes of the meeting to the channel, so everyone could have seen the decision
[14:13] <jussi01> post*
[14:13] <Hobbsee> jussi01: people don't read meeting minutes.  that's why they keep talking about hardy being kde4 only.
[14:13] <jussi01> Hobbsee: hehe
[14:13] <ikonia> jussi01: your minutes where helpful to me.
[14:14] <ikonia> I appriciated them
[14:14] <LjL> Hobbsee: then i wonder why someone like stdin was unsure about the channel, and himself looked worried that people were already joining it, before it even was, under his perception, publicly "open"
[14:14] <LjL> and i reasoned that he should know, as he's cited in the kde4 packages page
[14:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: because it went to vote, and some people were against the channel.
[14:14]  * Hobbsee has no idea why others were joining it, unless tehy read the meeting minutes
[14:14] <elkbuntu> LjL, you're also working on the assumption that +mif wont end up in angry genuine contributors
[14:14] <stdin> I was worried that people were joining (because it was announced in #kubuntu), but had no topic, no bot, and only jussi01 on the access list
[14:15] <jussi01> stdin: who announced it?
[14:15] <jussi01> I certainly didnt
[14:15] <stdin> jussi01: some random person joined it, then announced it
[14:15] <Hobbsee> stdin: yes, who announced it?
[14:15] <jussi01> ahh
[14:15] <stdin> then people started to join
[14:15] <Hobbsee> yay for random people.  shoot them :)
[14:16] <Hobbsee> stdin: i would ahve expected someone to go "support is still in #kubuntu while this channel is being set up"
[14:16] <Hobbsee> then them to leave.
[14:17] <Hobbsee> or to sit there and wait, if they wished.
[14:17] <stdin> Hobbsee: I said in #kubuntu that the channel wasn't properly setup, and asked people not to join. but that meant that more people joined ironically
[14:18] <PriceChild> lol
[14:18] <Hobbsee> stdin: yeah, that's normal.
[14:18] <Hobbsee> stdin: that's why #u-r was kept as a secret for a long while, till some idiot blasted it over -devel
[14:21] <jussi01> Ok, Im off home. If you need me, leave a message. :). Ill be back on in a matter of hours. Im sorry about all the confusion.
[14:22] <elkbuntu> jussi01, i think there's blame for both sides of the confusion, to be fair, so don't beat yourself up :)
[14:22] <PriceChild> jussi01, not your fault :)
[14:23] <jussi01> ok, thanks for the kind words. I felt a little responsible there.
[14:24] <ikonia> heads up on kkk - pointless random trolling "windows rules" etc etc all day
[14:25] <PriceChild> i'm watching
[14:25] <ikonia> ta
[14:25] <ikonia> Pici:
[14:25] <ikonia> oops
[14:25] <Pici> :)
[14:25] <ikonia> Pici: was on it
[14:25] <Pici> lastlog showed enough warnings for that.
 Pici: wtf is a suppository?
[14:34] <PriceChild> Something on the mind perhaps?
[14:34] <Pici> I didn't want to call attention to it.
[14:34] <ikonia> sorry
[14:35] <Pici> ikonia: Oh, I mean I personally didnt want to call attention, if someone else did, fine with me.
[14:35] <Ubuntu_Rocks> good morning
[14:35] <ikonia> just tired of language
[14:36] <Pici> Ubuntu_Rocks: How can we help you today?
[14:36] <Ubuntu_Rocks> Pici:  Would it be possible to be let back to the ubuntu room?
[14:36] <Pici> Ubuntu_Rocks: Do you know why you are banned?
[14:36] <LjL> Ubuntu_Rocks: why were you locked out of it?
[14:36] <Ubuntu_Rocks> yes
[14:37] <Pici> Okay, why?
[14:37] <Ubuntu_Rocks> I had a bad day and said some bad things.
[14:37] <LjL> i8tfbt
[14:38] <Pici> you ate what?
[14:38] <LjL> PriceChild: the H
[14:38] <LjL> Pici: the H
[14:40] <LjL> Pici: i think i'm missing something about that ban
[14:40] <Pici> LjL: me too
[14:41] <LjL> Pici: PM please
[14:42] <Ubuntu_Rocks> Pici:  It was you who banned me, I came back to apologize and to ask for re-in statement, The ban occurred around thanksgiving.
[14:46] <ikonia> how do you deal with xchat plugins like this
[14:46] <ikonia> 14:33  * Loki0480 »» WinAmp (Playing) «» Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 (181.fm - The
[14:47] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[14:49] <LjL> you know what gets on my nerves? people who change nicknames all the time
[14:49] <ikonia> no kidding
[14:50] <Hobbsee>  /nick HobbseeNickChange
[14:50] <Hobbsee>  /nick HobbseeConfused
[14:50] <Hobbsee>  /nick ConfusedHobbsee
[14:50] <Hobbsee> :)
[14:50] <Daviey> like $nick|Away or totally diff' nicks?
[14:50] <Hobbsee>  /nick HobbseeKilledByLJL
[14:50] <LjL> Hobbsee: no, not like that, more like one nick not being traceable to the other :)
[14:51] <Daviey> Hobbsee: must be past your bed time!
[14:51] <LjL> Daviey: i'm thinking totally different right now
[14:51] <Hobbsee> Daviey: yeah.  i should finish my dinner
[14:51] <LjL> Ubuntu_Rocks: have you read the channel guidelines?
[14:51] <Daviey> $nick|Away really annoys me
[14:51] <ikonia> LjL: I think I see where you are going.......
[14:52] <LjL> ikonia: orly
[14:52] <ikonia> maybe.......
[14:52] <LjL> ikonia: yeah, indeed, i mean, the bantracker is already slow enough to use for *one* search
[14:52] <Ubuntu_Rocks> LjL:  Yes, I normally use the Kubuntu room (Xcell), but have a few questions regarding Ubuntu and normally cause little problems.
[14:53] <ikonia> LjL: I was right ;)
[14:53] <LjL> Ubuntu_Rocks: well, i'll give you a pointer to the most important things that really aren't tolerated in the channel. that includes the guidelines as well as some more detailed instructions. please make sure you abide by them this time.
[14:53] <LjL> !etiquette > Ubuntu_Rocks    (Ubuntu_Rocks, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:54] <Pici> Ubuntu_Rocks: Be forewarned that we won't be as kind next time, so make sure that there isnt a next time.
[14:54] <LjL> Ubuntu_Rocks: i also suggest that you register your user on freenode. that lets you send private messages and gives you a unique identity on irc.
[14:54] <LjL> !register > Ubuntu_Rocks    (Ubuntu_Rocks, see the private message from Ubotu)
[14:55] <Ubuntu_Rocks> It is registered.
[14:55] <LjL> well, if it is, then you forgot to identify
[14:55] <Ubuntu_Rocks> All my nics are
[14:55] <LjL> you can make your client identify automatically
[14:55] <Ubuntu_Rocks> I didnt identify this time
[14:55] <Ubuntu_Rocks> how
[14:55] <LjL> Ubuntu_Rocks: by using your nick's password as the server password
[14:56] <Ubuntu_Rocks> ah,ok.
[14:56] <Ubuntu_Rocks> ill do that.
[14:56] <Ubuntu_Rocks> Thank you, And have a super day.
[14:56] <LjL> you too
[14:57] <ikonia> how odd, he signed straight out of ubuntu
[14:58] <LjL> odd yet not entirely surprising
[14:58] <ikonia> ooh really
[14:58] <ikonia> surprised me
[14:58] <ikonia> I thought he'd be straight in
[14:58] <LjL> not the first troll who waits a while before doing anything after getting himself unbanned.
[14:59] <ikonia> ahhhh
[14:59] <ikonia> heads up on ghosty
[14:59] <ikonia> spamming with porn
[15:00] <dgjones> ikonia, was that Ghosty you just reported, was just coming to do that
[15:00] <ikonia> ghosty [n=32133@www.businessdevintl.com]
[15:00] <ikonia> yup
[15:34]  * jussi01 walks in
[15:34]  * Pici wawlks around
[15:34]  * Daviey stands up
[15:34] <jussi01> !opsnack | Pici
[15:34] <ubotu> Pici: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[15:34] <Pici> Yay! Feeding time.
[15:36] <ikonia> is it random ?
[15:36] <ikonia> !opsnack | jussi01
[15:36] <ubotu> jussi01: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[15:36] <Pici> nope.
[15:36] <ikonia> ahhh same menu
[15:36] <ikonia> maybe thats something I'll play with ;)
[15:38] <jussi01> !usersnack | ikonia
[15:38] <ubotu> ikonia: Are peanut husks ok? The ops ate the chocolates and peanuts already...
[15:38] <jussi01> :P
[15:38] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[15:38] <ikonia> thats very quick
[15:40] <jussi01> !botsnack
[15:40] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[15:40] <ikonia> that still makes me chuckle
[15:40] <jussi01> me too :P
[15:41]  * Daviey sits down
[15:41] <jussi01> !opsnack | Daviey
[15:41] <ubotu> Daviey: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[15:41] <ikonia> ubotu lies !
[15:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lies ! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:41] <ikonia> you said the choccy was gone
[15:43] <jussi01> ikonia: I sent it to the sho :P
[15:43] <jussi01> shop*
[15:43] <jussi01> :P
[15:47] <ubotu> FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:47] <ubotu> FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)
[15:49] <Pici> I for one welcome our new Floodbot overlords.
[15:49] <popey> :)
[15:49] <Jack_Sparrow> I forgot the bot trigger for someone trying to set root password..
[15:49] <Pici> !noroot
[15:49] <ubotu> We don't support a root password so don't suggest one unless you are going to be here 24/7 to help someone who has problems as a result of having one, many thanks ;-)
[15:50] <Jack_Sparrow> That was it...  thanks
[15:54] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I always just pull this out in response to "M$": http://people.freedesktop.org/~racarr/ms.gif
[15:55] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: heh :)
[17:02] <ikonia> Tubbycore spamming porn links
[17:02] <ikonia> thats ghosty and tubbycore
[17:02] <Pici> ikonia: banned already :)
[17:02] <ikonia> Pici: you are quick today
[17:08] <ikonia> shadow417 is starting to annoy me
[17:08] <ikonia> telling people to get xorg drivers from previous ubuntu versions and drop them into the xorg tree
[17:08] <Pici> yikes
[17:09] <ikonia> then download ffrom the intel site
[17:13] <tritium> Looks like one of those days...
[17:14] <ikonia> no kidding
[17:24] <ikonia> channel is bad today
[17:26] <no0tic> pray for me, rebooting to hardy :)
[17:27] <tritium> silly no0tic ;)
[17:28] <ikonia> working surprisingly well at the moment
[17:28] <ikonia> looks like development is moving better than say 7.10
[17:28] <Pici> Or not enough development is moving yet...
[17:28] <TheSheep> we have gathered here today, sisters, brothers and little furry creatures from alpha centauri, to pray for the soul of no0tic who has upgraded to hardy
[17:28] <ikonia> I think that could be a key point
[17:29] <ikonia> it's working as not much is changing
[17:29] <ikonia> what is join on in #ubuntu today
[17:30] <ikonia> seems like the last few hours have been just a pain
[17:30] <tritium> s/join/going?
[17:30] <ikonia> oops
[17:30] <ikonia> yes
[17:39] <no0tic> TheSheep, thanks, it worked :)
[17:56] <tritium> I'm off to work.  See you later.
[17:56] <Pici> nooo, now I need to watch the channel
[17:56] <Pici> ;)
[17:56] <tritium> Sorry ;)
[17:56] <tritium> Have a good one.  I'll catch you later.
[17:57] <Pici> Cyas tritium
[18:02] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bugs, LucidFox said: !mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess
[18:10] <jussi01> !mir
[18:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mir - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:11] <jussi01> !mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:11] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said: !mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:11] <Pici> In #ubuntu-ops, jussi01 said: !mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:11] <Pici> oops
[18:11] <jpatrick> people don't read minutes? oh, that makes me feel loved
[18:11] <Pici> !mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:11] <jussi01> ok, why doesnt it like me?
[18:11] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Pici
[18:11] <jussi01> I logged in
[18:12]  * jussi01 hugs jpatrick 
[18:12] <jussi01> !mir
[18:12] <ubotu> mir is Main Inclusion Report - see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionProcess for more information.
[18:12] <jpatrick> I do CC them to kubuntu-users for a reason...
[18:13] <jussi01> anyone know what Im doing wrong?
[18:13] <stdin> jussi01: you need to be an editor to add factoids
[18:13] <stdin> add/edit/remove
[18:13] <Pici> jussi01: you arent an editor
[18:13] <jussi01> stdin: hmmm, I thought that capability was automatically added when you were accepted to the irc team. mustve been wrong.
[18:14] <stdin> nope, it's an extra special thing ;)
[18:14] <jpatrick> I think someone has to add you to the editor list
[18:14] <jussi01> ahh, ok then :)
[18:14] <stdin> that someone being Se.eas afaik
[18:15] <jussi01> ok :)
[18:15] <jussi01> its not a real problem.
[18:18] <Supremus> hello :D
[18:18] <no0tic> hi Supremus
[18:19] <Supremus> I have change mi nickname Supremus to Schwitzd
[18:19] <Supremus> my*
[18:19] <Pici> Ah, and you need your cloak changed?
[18:19] <Supremus> yes :D
[18:20]  * Pici *thinks* that any freenode staffer could do that
[18:23] <Supremus> thx all :D
[18:26] <jussi01> has anyone seen myrtti ? havent seen her for a bit...
[18:29] <jussi01> stdin: just a little too quick for me ;)
[18:30] <stdin> I'm only keeping the ban for ~1 hour, I think it's one of those shell servers
[18:30] <jussi01> ahh
[18:31] <stdin> echo472.server4you.de seems like one /me does a whois
[18:32] <stdin> definitely a remote system type: descr:          SERVER4YOU Dedicated Server Hosting
[18:33] <jussi01> nice work
[19:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, dgjones said: !no | skessa, I think this is the right channel
[19:23] <Pici> dgjones: yeah, we'll ignore it
[19:23] <Pici> !no
[19:23] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[19:23] <PriceChild> Its no worry dgjones, no need to apologies etc.
[19:23] <Pici> We get this a bit ;)
[19:23] <PriceChild> *apologise
[19:23] <dgjones> thanks, was just coming to apologise :)
[19:23] <PriceChild> wierd how the "is" mattered there.
[19:23] <PriceChild> bug?! :P
[19:24] <Pici> Who said anything about a bug?
[19:25] <Pici> #ubuntu was bad earlier...
[19:25] <PriceChild> well there being a pipe, but the "is" still taking effect
[19:29] <Pici> I was thinking of taking a look at the Encyclopedia code later
[19:46] <Amaranth> !envy
[19:46] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[19:46] <Amaranth> aww, someone changed it
[19:46] <Amaranth> !-envy
[19:46] <ubotu> envy has no aliases - added by LjL on 2006-12-09 03:22:01
[19:46] <Amaranth> ugh has envy really been around for over a year?
[19:46] <Pici> Someone removed the 'mental health institute' part of !windows too
[19:47] <Amaranth> annoying
[19:47] <jussi01> !-windows
[19:47] <ubotu> windows aliases: bug#1, bug #1, bug 1, microsoft, windowsxp - added by Seveas on 2006-06-19 08:49:27
[19:48] <Seveas> boo
[19:48] <jussi01> hello there Seveas
[19:48] <Pici> You summoned him!
[19:48] <jussi01> oops :)
[19:48]  * Pici sacrifices jussi01 
[19:48] <jussi01> I didnt so it, it was ubotu !!
[19:49] <jussi01> do*
[19:49] <jussi01> cant even type tonight...~
[20:18] <ompaul> !pici
[20:18] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!
[20:18] <ompaul> ;-)
[20:18] <Pici> !ompaul
[20:18] <ubotu> ompaul is well ompaul, don't get me started about that guy
[20:18] <ompaul> hehehe
[20:18] <Pici> #ubuntu has been hectic today.
[20:19] <ompaul> I fixed !nickspam
[20:19] <ompaul> that was all
[20:19] <Pici> no...
[20:19] <ompaul> yes
[20:19] <Pici> !nickspam
[20:19] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also /msg ubotu Guidelines
[20:19] <Pici> oh, you mean just now?
[20:19] <ompaul> #ubuntunel is what it said
[20:19] <ompaul> yes
[20:19] <ompaul>  I did
[20:19] <Pici> It should be $chan
[20:20] <ompaul> okay
[20:20] <ompaul> !nickspam
[20:20] <ubotu> You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu-ops - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also /msg ubotu Guidelines
[20:20] <ompaul> hahaha
[20:21] <Pici> !-away
[20:21] <ubotu> away aliases: afk - added by Seveas on 2006-06-18 18:58:27
[20:21] <Pici> !-nickspam
[20:21] <ubotu> nickspam has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2006-09-16 15:00:49
[20:21] <Pici> !-afk
[20:21] <ubotu> afk is <alias> away - added by Pici on 2007-11-12 15:52:29
[20:21] <Seveas> !botabuse
[20:21] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubotu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[20:21] <Pici> !seveas
[20:21] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for Feisty and earlier for several packages. More info (and mirrors) on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - And he's getting married!
[20:21]  * Pici runs
[20:21] <ompaul> !pici
[20:21] <ubotu> pici is stuck in a factoid factory! Send help!
[20:22] <ompaul> die pici die?
[20:22] <Seveas> reincarnation!
[20:22] <ompaul> and he did it again! more reincarnation
[20:22]  * jdong presses ^L just to make sure he's not seeing screen corruption in this channel...
[20:23] <ompaul> jdong, no ops are corrupt except on screens with bad resolution
[20:23] <ompaul> now that is op abuse :)
[20:24]  * ompaul breaths a sight of relea
[20:24] <ompaul> relief
[20:25] <Pici> rolaids
[20:37] <ompaul> rock and reload?
 Help- I used to have a /boot, however, a naive user of my computer accidentally removed it, how do I fix this?
[21:04] <ikonia> evening
[21:30] <ompaul> looks a bit nutty in #ubuntu
[21:34] <jdong> PriceChild: what happened to not giving naive users sudo? :D
[21:34] <jdong> "hmm, boot... that doesn't sound important, I only do that every few weeks"
[21:35] <jdong> "except when kid comes home with a bad report card"
[21:35] <jdong> but anyway, enough of my childhook
[21:35] <jdong> d
[21:39] <ikonia> ompaul: it's been a funny day
[21:39] <ompaul> ikonia, funny strange?
[21:40] <ikonia> ompaul: stupid day is more accurate
[21:40] <ikonia> lots of sillyness in #ubuntu allda u
[21:40] <ikonia> all day
[21:40] <ompaul> ack
[22:18] <stdin> !ping
[22:18] <ubotu> pong
[22:21] <PriceChild> shitbowl, please change your name.
[22:23] <ompaul> !hardy
[22:23] <ubotu> hardy is Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE BETA SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:24] <ompaul> LjL, PriceChild ^^ whatya think?
[22:24] <PriceChild> It is alpha software.
[22:24] <ompaul> PriceChild, but telling people that they won't grok that
[22:24] <ompaul> maybe I say it is pre beta
[22:25] <jussi01> what the kheck happened earlier? I go away for just a few hours...
[22:25] <ompaul> !hardy
[22:25] <ubotu> hardy is Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[22:25] <ompaul> jussi01, it is all nuts that is all :)
[22:26] <jussi01> !opsnack
[22:26] <ubotu> Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[22:26] <jussi01> nuts?
[22:26] <ompaul> cracked - loop the loop - not the full shilling - knitting with only one needle
[22:26] <ompaul> etc
[22:27] <jussi01> hehe :P
[22:30] <ompaul> jdong,                                                           ahh there you are :)
[22:31]  * ompaul rofl
[22:31] <ompaul> I'm a gnu how do you do
[22:31] <PriceChild> Hey microsoftwindows, how can I help?
[22:32] <ompaul> PriceChild, perhaps they want to be reinstalled as real good software
[22:32] <jussi01> hehe
[22:33] <ompaul> PriceChild,  I'm a gnu, how do you do
[22:34] <PriceChild> :)
[22:35]  * jussi01 sighs at apple....
[22:36] <penos> oh man... i'm banned at #ubuntu. could you unban me plz
[22:37] <ompaul> not a hope with that nick
[22:37] <ompaul> and I wonder what nick you had at the time
[22:37]  * ompaul goes
[22:37] <ompaul> looks
[22:39] <ompaul> please wait web problems
[22:39] <ompaul> back shortly
[22:39] <ubuntu`> what
[22:39] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, Please be patient.
[22:39] <ompaul> back shortly
[22:39] <PriceChild> yay its back
[22:40] <ompaul> PriceChild, let me see
[22:40] <ompaul> whoot
[22:40] <ompaul> !guidelines | ubuntu`
[22:40] <ubotu> ubuntu`: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:41] <ompaul> ubuntu`, have a look at that and then come back to us
[22:41] <PriceChild> !nickspam | ubuntu`
[22:41] <ubotu> ubuntu`: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu-ops - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also /msg ubotu Guidelines
[22:41] <ubuntu`> ompaul: i'm a newbie and i don't know how to visit URL's
[22:41] <ompaul> ubuntu`, the nickspam comment goes for all #ubuntu
[22:42] <ompaul> I guess you got to type it into your web browser of choice
[22:43] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, erm... you're not enough of a newbie to know what a URL is though?
[22:43] <ubuntu`> PriceChild: i don't know what URL stands for
[22:43] <PriceChild> *to not know
[22:44] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, I never denied that.
[22:44] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, I suggest you spend a little while working out how to use that url, read what it gives you as well as the other message from ubotu, then come back to us.
[22:45] <ubuntu`> PriceChild: but i'm just a newbie
[22:45] <ubuntu`> PriceChild: and my IQ is very low
[22:45] <ikonia> ......honestly
[22:46] <ompaul> ikonia, I guess they have to be honest I guess
[22:46] <PriceChild> ompaul, a lot of guessing you do? ;)
[22:46] <ikonia> yoda?
[22:46] <ompaul> I guess
[22:46] <ompaul> this is not the intelligence you are looking for?
[22:47] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, please read what I have said and come back in a few days if you still want to be unbanned.
[22:47] <ubuntu`> PriceChild: thank you for your kindness and sense of duty
[22:47] <PriceChild> No problem at all.
[22:47] <ompaul> ubuntu`, you can treat us as fools and we will oblige by being nice towards you, but ever take us as being stupid don't efver thing
[22:48] <ubuntu`> ompaul: i'm really stupid.
[22:48] <ompaul> I don't think so
[22:49] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, is there anything else we can do for you?
[22:49] <ubuntu`> PriceChild: oh no
[22:50] <PriceChild> ubuntu`, Then see you in a few days? :)
[22:50] <ompaul> ubuntu`, so please read the url you might find it interesting: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[22:50] <ompaul> ubuntu`, bye, have a nice day
[22:51] <ikonia> the race was on to see who would op and kick first
[22:54] <PriceChild> I wasn't going to.
[22:54] <ompaul> ikonia, I think it was obvious I was unimpressed
[22:55] <ompaul> main reason was if you look at the bans
[22:55] <ikonia> yes
[22:55] <ompaul> the *@ip was usually "suspect"
[22:55] <ikonia> ahh regular
[23:07] <LjL> how the hell does he know what IQ means
[23:08] <no0tic> LjL, nobody asked him to count from one to three.. what a pity
[23:08] <LjL> i was debating the relationship between P and NP with my parents, sorry
[23:09] <no0tic> LjL, probability theory?
[23:09] <LjL> complexity theory no0tic
[23:09] <ompaul> no0tic, we knew it was beyond him
[23:09] <ompaul> counting to three
[23:09] <ompaul> that is
[23:09] <ompaul> !enter
[23:09] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[23:11] <PriceChild> Erm,... he's using emacs
[23:11] <ompaul> PriceChild, so a class b troll
[23:11] <PriceChild> lol
[23:11] <no0tic> PriceChild, it's really stupid :)
[23:11] <PriceChild> do real trolls use vi ompaul?
[23:11] <ompaul> no wonder he don't know a URL
[23:11] <no0tic> PriceChild, *he
[23:12] <ompaul> PriceChild, no real trolls use dos
[23:12] <LjL> i use amigaos
[23:12] <LjL> i am a troll
[23:12] <LjL> therefore trolls use amigaos
[23:13] <LjL> (faulty syllogism, but you should expect that from a troll)
[23:28] <ompaul> @now dublin
[23:28] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Dublin: January 14 2008, 23:28:43 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day
[23:28] <ompaul> @now texas
[23:29] <Pici> texas is a state
[23:29] <ompaul> @now Chicago
[23:29] <ubotu> Current time in America/Chicago: January 14 2008, 17:29:52 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day
[23:30] <Pici> @now new_york
[23:30] <ubotu> Current time in America/New_York: January 14 2008, 18:30:23 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 1 day
[23:30] <Mez> @lart Pici
[23:31]  * ompaul looks at Mez 
[23:31] <Mez> @now reading
[23:31] <LjL> har. har.
[23:34] <LjL> hmmm yacc again in -unregged
[23:34] <LjL> hadn't been for a while
[23:37] <Pici> yay
[23:38] <PriceChild> hehe
[23:39] <foxray> hi i can't join #ubuntu it keeps saying i'm banned
[23:41] <ompaul> foxray, someone will be with you in a moment or two - some web issues
[23:41] <foxray> okay
[23:47] <ompaul> foxray, okay that ban uis about to be undone
[23:48] <LjL> foxray: you were probably hit by a ban placed on another person. please try to join now and sorry for the inconvenience.
[23:51] <foxray> oh thanks i got in #ubuntu
[23:59] <LjL> nalioth: yesterday's gnaa troll hit #gentoo and #ubuntu
[23:59] <LjL> (at least, same article if not same troll)
[23:59] <nalioth> LjL: he wasn't klined?
[23:59] <LjL> nalioth, it was seconds ago
[23:59] <LjL> but no
[23:59] <LjL> he's still in #gentoo, ops are sleeping