[00:00] especially since a lot of people already expect this to work in gutsy [08:35] I guess the xresprobe bugs can be marked as wontfix now [08:36] true [08:36] I can take care of that tomorrow if you'd like [08:37] hm? [08:37] what about xresprobe? [08:37] Q-FUNK: obsolete [08:37] it's deprecated now [08:37] replaced by? [08:38] xserver autoconfiguration [08:38] ah yes [08:38] bryce: there are only 11 of them, no big deal :) [08:38] I need more karma :) [08:38] hehe [08:38] ok go for it [08:38] although this doesn't yet work for all drivers. they need to be ported to randr 1.2 and upgraded to recent api. [08:39] hmm no [08:39] it doesn't depend on randr 1.2 [08:39] although there are some issues with vesa at least [08:40] and with -amd [08:40] siliconmotion also [08:40] what issues? [08:40] "no modes left" with vesa [08:41] ah [08:41] for DDC probing, bartman produced patches that should at least fix -amd. [08:41] that sound familiar from other drivers too. [08:41] IIRC someone reported that for -amd as well, on some hardware. [08:41] trident is buggy too, it hangs in a loop [08:41] but it's upstream now with a backtrace [08:42] ah, btw, amd 2.7.7.5 is in debian now [08:42] it introduces basic OLPC support [08:42] ok, file a sync request again, and tell the bug # [08:44] grmbl. doesn't yet show in changelog server. [08:48] there, 11 bugs closed [08:48] #182781 [08:49] hmm [08:49] this is in main, right? [08:49] or is it still in universe? [08:50] main [08:50] New bug: #182778 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (main) "Wrong resolution on Hardy Alpha 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182778 [08:51] heh, add openchrome to the list [08:51] there are also a lot of reports about not being able to change the resolution on livecd [08:51] which puzzles me [08:52] hrm [08:52] but that's an old issue [08:52] "not change" as through xorg.conf, or via displayconfig-gtk [08:52] ? [08:52] xrandr or d-g [08:52] odd [08:53] yep [08:53] maybe #u-installer could help, I'll ask [08:55] New bug: #182781 in xserver-xorg-video-amd (main) "Please sync xserver-xorg-video-amd 2.7.7.5-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182781 [09:19] tjaalton: heh, we've triaged too many bugs. bdmurray has skipped us in favor of openoffice for bug hug day this month [09:19] :) [09:20] looks like between xorg, xserver, and major drivers, we barely have a total of 100 untriaged bugs left ;-) [09:20] actually probably more like 50 [09:21] xorg has maybe 6 [09:21] -nv has the most ironically [09:21] heh, yeah [09:21] I should go through them now that I have one.. [09:25] so I wonder what we do when we hit 0 New bugs :-) [09:26] we try to fix those that are confirmed? :) [09:26] maybe focus on getting everything filed upstream? [09:26] hehe [09:26] going through b.df.o is one [09:27] I got one of my upstream reported bugs marked invalid because it was one of those bugs that a bunch of users had "me too"ed their issues onto, so I summarized and sent upstream [09:27] however upstream seems to prefer each person's issue be a separate bug report [09:27] as do we [09:27] unfortunately I think launchpad lets us down a bit here, since it's set up to only allow one upstream bug report per bug [09:28] hmm, I've not been so picky that people who have roughly the same issue, report it separately (sometimes) [09:28] i've closed bugs where people have reported other issues than the original one, and asked them to file new bugs [09:28] maybe I need to be more strict though. [09:29] I'm going to be bugging you X guys again like I was with gutsy. resuming my laptop is causing graphical issues again ;) [09:29] I suppose that's a good practice [09:29] heya Ng [09:29] heh, the membership of #ubuntu-x sure has grown since I started working here.... [09:29] bug 180409 [09:29] Launchpad bug 180409 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "bugs in fglrx - blank screen - artifacts" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180409 [09:30] hey bryce :) [09:30] that's one good example of a messy bug report.. [09:30] hey Ng! [09:30] tjaalton :) [09:32] erk, this is more broken than I thought. scrolling in firefox => jumbled mess [09:32] bryce: do you know if the fix from 133118 made it upstream? [09:32] I was fairly sure it did [09:32] I don't think it can be the same thing, because Im sans compiz atm and 2d stuff is broken [09:32] Ng: switch to XAA, set 'Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"' [09:33] tjaalton: I did that already to get the 2d acceptably fast ;) [09:33] man, that's sad that I recognize bugs off their bug id# [09:33] my memory really isn't this good normally [09:34] hehe, well to be fair i did buy pretty much everyone pretty much all the time about it ;) [09:34] I'm 99.999% certain the fix was taken upstream [09:34] however, what upstream has done with it since then is anyone's guess [09:35] I know they've done additional work on this area since then [09:35] Ng: file another bug with the current state of the issue, ref the prev bug, and I'll follow it up [09:35] ok, ta :) [09:36] fwiw, http://mairukipa.tenshu.net/855gm-resume-broken.png is what I'm seeing [09:36] don't understand... [09:37] I see what looks like some image doubling or something? [09:37] see how the network-manager icon shows all the trails from the spinning, as well as the latest state (LAN connection) [09:37] mm, sort of... [09:37] if I cover that icon it'll force it to redraw, but if I then connect to another network the trails will build up again until I next force it to completely redraw [09:37] hmm [09:38] so scrolling in firefox causes a bit of a mess ;) [09:38] make sure to describe the situation really well (or include screencast) [09:38] oki doki [09:38] I'm going to have a quick trawl of bugs to see if I can find anything similar [09:38] I'm sure we'll here, "Oh yeah, that's 100% fixed. Just switch to TTM." [09:39] heh [09:39] these interregnum periods are a pita for distros ;) [09:52] filed as bug #182791 [09:52] Launchpad bug 182791 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "855GM resume problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182791 [09:56] thanks [09:57] Ng, I've been lightly hammering on Intel to get the <= 855 issues sorted out for a while [09:57] good :) [09:57] there are a lot of such laptops still in use and when they work they work fantastically ime, but it is a bit of a shame to have to chase down weird bugs each release ;) [09:58] I've got it on record that they want -i810 deprecated, and thus desire all issues that work in -i810 but not -intel to be resolved in -intel so we can deprecate -i810 [09:58] sort of circular there, but in a good way [09:58] has i810 changed since gutsy? istr it hadn't changed there since feisty? [09:59] no it hasn't [09:59] mmkay, well I probably won't bother even testing that yet, it was never very good at resume anyway ;) [09:59] upstream in fact has just symlinked -i810 to -intel [09:59] I am going to quickly try EXA just in case, since that is at least the default the driver is choosing [09:59] cool [10:01] New bug: #182791 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "855GM resume problems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182791 [10:03] heh, good work ubotu ;) [10:10] wow, it's even worse with EXA [10:10] it's almost impossible to get anything to render. at best I could see the background of gtk widgets, but absolutely no foregrounds or text [10:24] heh, I found an (I think) unrelated 855gm bug on fd.o's bugzilla and the intel guys seem to be saying that they don't have such hardware to test on [10:24] this is not encouraging ;) [10:30] New bug: #182802 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "[hardy] Screen freeze on resume" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182802 [10:46] New bug: #153122 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome (main) "Fatal error while loading Xorg" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153122 [10:46] New bug: #164342 in xserver-xorg-video-openchrome "Suspend broken" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164342 [10:53] New bug: #178313 in xserver-xorg-video-via (main) "antspotlight screensaver hangs computer" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178313 [13:27] tjaalton: you mentioned in #179515 that the screensaver might kill X during a upgrade, do you know any details? [13:28] tjaalton: I'm wondering what to do about it, sending a inhibit signal via dbus for gnome-screensaver would be a obvious (but not trivial as the release-upgrader does not have access to the session bus) solution, but that leaves xscreensaver and kde out [13:30] mvo: yeah :/ [13:30] mvo: no perfect solution there, but I don't know what else could have caused it [13:35] tjaalton: ok, its at least a hint. I will try to reproduce it here with screensaver on and see what comes out of it [13:38] mvo: it only happens if your driver is buggy with DRI [13:38] tjaalton: so for every driver ;) ? [13:38] hehe [13:38] there's always the possibility, sure :) [13:38] tjaalton: do you know more details? [13:38] I mean, what exactly is causing it? the fact that libdrm/libGL changes while the screensaver is runing? [13:39] some incompatibility between the drm/dri interfaces? [13:39] well, GL screensavers tend to trigger bugs [13:40] but if the stuff is already loaded in the memory it doesn't matter if the libs are updated [13:40] meh, if its in dri, then I can not reproduce it in a VM :( [13:40] no, it's just a scenario [13:40] that X crashes when you upgrading [13:41] and to minimize the possibility it would be wise to disable the screensaver [13:41] its probably a good theory, because I have not seen it crash in a VM yet, but it seems to happen sometimes on real HW - I have seen some reports [13:41] yeah, I bet there are dupes [13:43] you can disable gnome-screensaver with gconf [13:43] idle_activation_enabled [13:45] I look into it, I need to come up with something that works for xubuntu and kubuntu as well [13:45] ok, cool [15:21] New bug: #182865 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "Cannot switch to console after installing "xserver-xorg-video-intel 2:2.1.1-0ubuntu9.1"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182865 [15:46] New bug: #182878 in xorg (main) "[gutsy] gma 950 no TV-OUT in dispalyconfig" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182878 [15:46] New bug: #182883 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "dual screen support doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182883 [16:41] New bug: #182898 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "erratic widescreen intel gma 3000" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182898 [17:11] not a good day for -intel and bugs ;o [17:16] poor intel [19:48] bryce I may do a mesa upload within this week, is there anything planed? I need to patch it so that compiz can detect glx window [19:55] mvo, it should be safe. I don't have mesa uploads planned and don't think timo does either [19:56] I'm going to do an xserver upload for Q-FUNK with some new patches, but that'll be for gutsy-proposed, not hardy [19:56] tjaalton might have some other things planned [19:57] bryce ok, thanks. I'm currently in testing stage, but it looks promising so far and I don't want to interfere with the X team, especially since you use git now (not sure if you also use it for mesa) [20:07] no we don't [20:09] good, thanks for this info [20:12] bryce: aye, thanks for that [20:12] let's see if it improves everyone's results [20:12] mvo_: please go ahead [20:12] if it does, we can always come back to the Hardy patch before the release takes place [20:18] Q-FUNK: I need to do some UME stuff (trying to get it booted on the test hw they've provided) [20:19] ah ok [21:04] tjaalton: hmm, don't you have an X40? [21:05] Ng: nope, X61 [21:06] ah, doh [21:06] * Q-FUNK is patiently waiting for his Dell D430 to be delivered. [21:06] I noticed that my particular model doesn't have any pm-utils quirks, so figured that might be causing X to fail to resume, but I've tried what I think should be the matching options from the old acpi-support, which made absolutely no difference ;( [21:09] you might want to ask mjg59 for some tips [21:09] yeah [21:09] or check thinkwiki [21:10] bryce: mjg59 confirmed that SHMConfig is not an option for us (pun intended) [21:10] so I closed the bug that asked for including it [21:11] ps. comedy inc. rules :) [21:13] tjaalton: it was a sad day when mjg59's x40 got ruined and he switched to an HP ;) [21:15] aww [21:16] that explains the recent blog post then ;) [21:18] tjaalton: ah ok [21:35] ah. vorlon pushed the new -amd into hardy [21:37] ok, I'm done (stuck) on the ume stuff for the time being. -amd time. [21:39] ` [21:40] heh [21:40] * jcristau blames ssh [21:41] fwiw, #182252 is invalid. X is started with '-nolisten tcp' by default, so obviously inet connections don't work [21:50] Q-FUNK, what are the bug ID('s) that are fixed with these two xserver patches? [21:50] jcristau: good point, I'll close that one [21:54] bryce: I'm not sure that there was a separate bug open for this freeze issue on some BIOS [21:55] can you open one please? In order to upload SRU candidates they require patches be tied to bug ID's in launchpad [21:57] are these patches fixes for bug 140051? [21:57] Launchpad bug 140051 in xserver-xorg-video-amd "amd driver fails to autoconfigure" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140051 [21:58] yes and no [21:58] hmm, maybe I'm asking the wrong question [21:58] it prevents X from freezing at configure time, but doesn't directly resolve DDC failing with -amd yet [21:59] hmm, maybe I don't understand this [22:00] it sounds like these don't fix the issue, as there is another known issue that prevents it from working [22:01] however it adds the risk of changing existing -amd user's systems (presuming there are -amd users able to use the current driver) [22:03] wouldn't it be more appropriate to put this into hardy or a ppa if the purpose is simply to check if it breaks other -amd user's systems? [22:04] it needs to go into hardy regardless, if it works, but testing via gutsy-proposed feels as the most harmless way of having a wide test range [22:04] hmm [22:04] well, -amd is essentially borken for too many people, thanks to the broken x86emu [22:05] I'm stuck with Etch and a souped-up Feisty to they my thincans here, because of that [22:05] they->test [22:06] there could also be some risk for non -amd users, since it affects code that (I gather) is run by all xserver users, so want to be careful we're not pushing it too aggressively [22:09] not that I don't trust that this is a good fix to have, but it feels like we're skipping over some intermediary testing steps [22:09] hmm [22:09] ok I'm building the xserver with the patches. Let me go grab lunch and think of how we should do this. [22:11] New bug: #134951 in ubuntu "gutsy too high resolution (dup-of: 182778)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134951 [22:18] bryce: I just made a call to the X list for people to test this as much as possible [22:24] back [22:27] the bus patch failed to apply [22:28] Applying patch 146_x86emu-correct-bus-dev-fn.patch [22:28] patching file hw/xfree86/int10/helper_exec.c [22:28] Hunk #1 succeeded at 469 (offset -80 lines). [22:28] Hunk #2 FAILED at 480. [22:28] Hunk #3 FAILED at 494. [22:28] patch: **** malformed patch at line 61: PCI_OFFSET(PciCfg1Addr) + offset); [22:28] P [22:30] checking other patch... [22:30] Q-FUNK: I did think about this some. What I'd like to do is before uploading to gutsy-proposed, to put up a deb and get a few people to test it on gutsy systems, to make sure it doesn't cause X to fail to start [22:31] Q-FUNK: if we can get three thumbs up, I say let's stick it in gutsy-proposed [22:31] oops, the other patch also failed to apply [22:33] :( [22:33] let's ask bartman [22:34] hang on, I am looking into it deeper [22:34] I can usually fix up patches to apply, if they're not too intricate [22:43] Q-FUNK: hmm, those patches appear to be against current xserver head. Let me check them against xserver 1.4 [22:49] nope [22:54] bryce: I just told Bart and Gadi about it [22:54] i'm not sure what patches these are, but if they're for a post-pciaccess server, then they might need porting [22:54] ok, I'm trying to do the patches manually [22:55] jcristau: ah that might be; yes they appear to deal with pci tags [22:55] hmm, that might be more work than I have time for [22:56] indeed [22:56] never mind [22:56] I'll ask bartman to rebase against 1.3 for the test [23:07] New bug: #182743 in xorg (main) "hardy xorg not detecting for compaq evo n410c" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182743 [23:09] Q-FUNK: ok cool