[00:00] <alex_mayorga> just trying to start gnome
[00:01] <alex_mayorga> my laptop only works in safemode gnome
[00:07] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: That's my fault, probably.  xgl is starting too slowly, or not at all.
[00:07] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: I'll be uploading a fixed xserver-xgl soon.  In the mean time, do you really want xgl?  If not, touch ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[00:07] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, how to fix?
[00:08] <alex_mayorga> fair enough
[00:09] <alex_mayorga> anyone else seeing his/her HP usb printer not working?
[00:09] <RAOF> (By "soon" I mean "hopefully tonight, maybe later")
[00:13] <alex_mayorga> bug 179537 anyone?
[00:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179537 in cupsys "Error when cancelling print task" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179537
[00:44] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, can you take a look to other paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51958/
[00:47] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Common problem, not my fault :)
[00:47] <RAOF> That package is just broken for now.
[00:49] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, is it what makes update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade"?
[00:49] <alex_mayorga> or it's a different bug?
[00:49] <WorkingOnWise> !codecs
[00:49] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[00:52] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: No idea, sorry
[01:04] <articpenguin3800> if i go back to gutsy should i delete my /home?
[01:13] <Johan-> just did a "update-manager -d" and everything seemed to work good until 1 minute before the entire upgrade was done when everything closed
[01:14] <Johan-> is there any command to run to complete everything?
[01:15] <LjL> possibly apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:15] <LjL> or do-release-upgrade
[01:15] <Johan-> thanks :)
[02:07] <Ryuho> what's a good gui based ftp/ssh connect program that can drag and drop files?
[02:08] <RAOF> Nautilus
[02:08] <RAOF> Places->Map Network Drive
[02:08] <RAOF> Sorry, Places->Connect To Server
[02:12] <DeepB> Ryuho: try #ubuntu , not here :)
[02:12] <Ryuho> i did that too, thanks go answer
[02:42] <alex_mayorga> what's the name for restricted-extras in hardy?
[02:54] <jacob> alex_mayorga: still ubuntu-restricted-extras I think
[03:05] <Sonic11> Ha, I seem to have a booting problem with my laptop. it says grep and sh aren't found :D
[03:05] <Sonic11> Boots still, but it takes like 2 minutes to get past those messages
[03:06] <Sonic11> Also says that AppArmor is unable to register before those 2 errors. Why is it that App Armor can't register?
[03:09] <Sonic11> oop, over to desktop
[03:12] <Sonicadvance1> Error messages on start up are "Starting up ... \n AppArmor: Unable to register AppArmor \n Loading, please wait... \n /scripts/init-top/brltty: 19: grep: not found \n sh: grep: not found \n /scripts/init-bottom/udev: 25: rm: not found"
[03:13] <Sonicadvance1> Anyone able to help?
[03:15] <alex_mayorga> what you get from which grep
[03:15] <alex_mayorga> and which sh
[03:16] <Hirvinen_> Should alpha 3 include newer stuff than can be found in the hardy repos?
[03:18] <Sonicadvance1> what do you mean alex_mayorga?
[03:18] <alex_mayorga> on a terminal type "which sh"
[03:18] <Hirvinen_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3 says it includes kernel 2.6.24.3.5 while the newest one I can see is 2.6.24.3.3
[03:18] <Sonicadvance1> /bin/sh alex_mayorga
[03:19] <alex_mayorga> what about grep?
[03:19] <Hirvinen_> Sonicadvance1: ls -l /bin/sh ?
[03:19] <Sonicadvance1> /bin/grep alex_mayorga
[03:19] <Sonicadvance1> Hirvinen_, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-12-06 03:33 /bin/sh -> dash
[03:20] <Hirvinen_> Sonicadvance1: And it shows those "\n"s?
[03:20] <Sonicadvance1> Hirvinen_, no, those are just ment to symbolize new lines
[03:21] <Hirvinen_> Ok.
[03:21] <Sonicadvance1> You wouldn't want me to have spammed the channel would ya? ;)
[03:21] <alex_mayorga> RAOF ping
[03:24] <Hirvinen_> No, of course not. I just thought that might have been due to dash's echo not supporting -e, which results in escapes supported by bash's or gnu's echo being shown.
[03:24] <Sonicadvance1> ah
[03:25] <Hirvinen_> Anyways. I suffer from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/177504 and as you can see, a few guys claim that it would be fixed in alpha.
[03:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177504 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes on startup" [Undecided,New]
[03:27] <Hirvinen_> I thought that those alphas would be constructed from the hardy repos, but they are implying that alpha 3 would include newer stuff. As does the difference in kernel versions.
[03:28] <alex_mayorga> and firefox 3, but I don't see that either
[03:28] <Hirvinen_> yup
[03:28] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows?
[03:28] <Sonicadvance1> hm, annoying bug
[03:29] <Sonicadvance1> Should just reinstall
[03:29] <alex_mayorga> should be in the same repos, right?
[03:29] <Hirvinen_> Apparently my beliefs have been incorrect.
[03:29] <DarkMageZ> firefox 3 is installable via the package manager
[03:29] <Hirvinen_> There's firefox-3.0 package
[03:30] <Sonicadvance1> Think I'll just manually remove the apparmor init script >.>
[03:31] <alex_mayorga> !netbeans
[03:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about netbeans - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:32] <alex_mayorga> !motu
[03:32] <ubotu> motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[03:32] <Sonicadvance1> beh, the apparmor file is gone
[03:58] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: Pong?  Contextless pings are bad, mkay?
[04:03] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, just wondering if it's already "night" on your time zone :)
[04:03] <RAOF> No :)
[04:03] <alex_mayorga> or whether you need a tester for your xgl hack
[04:04] <RAOF> I'll ping you if I do.
[04:04] <RAOF> But probably not.  We're not in feature freeze.  The entire xserver-xgl userbase is my tester!
[04:04] <alex_mayorga> OK and sorry to bother
[04:04] <RAOF> No problem.
[04:05] <RAOF> But in future you should probably ping: re <thing you want answered>, rather than just ping.
[04:05] <alex_mayorga> point taken
[04:19] <DanaG> GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized.
[04:19] <DanaG> What causes that?   (trying to run ccsm from git Compiz, and that error only happens if using the gconf backend.
[04:33] <RAOF> DanaG: OOOoh, ugh.  That'd be some part of the ccsm/libcompizconfig/compizconfig-gconf stack using threads without calling gtk.thread_init() (or the glib version).
[04:34] <RAOF> DanaG: Grumble on #compiz-fusion or #compiz-fusion-dev, or hit upstream bugzilla.
[04:42] <DanaG> Aah, part of it was me missing python-pyrex.
[04:42] <DanaG> And yet somehow it had compiled....
[04:44] <DanaG> I hope that durn idle scheduling will be fixed.
[04:48] <RAOF> Idle scheduling?
[05:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, by idle scheduling, I mean this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713
[05:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in linux "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Confirmed]
[05:22] <Michael74> FINALLY
[05:23] <Michael74> FOUND THE RIGHT CHANNLE
[05:23] <Michael74> !!
[05:23] <Michael74> alright what good is the daily build?
[05:23] <Michael74> and why is it in DVD format
[05:23] <Michael74> does it include Kubuntu and Ubuntu on the DVD
[05:24] <Michael74> ?
[05:24]  * burner shrugs
[05:25] <Michael74> stats
[05:28] <Amaranth> Michael74: It's probably not much use to you
[05:28] <Amaranth> Michael74: you want alpha 3
[05:28] <Michael74> alright
[05:29] <Michael74> also does anybody know about Linksys WUSB54GS v2
[05:29] <Michael74> ?
[05:29] <Amaranth> Michael74: I'm guessing you need ndiswrapper
[05:30] <Michael74> so is there planned support for it?
[05:30] <Amaranth> uh
[05:30] <Michael74> or am I stuck for good with a piece of crap
[05:30] <Michael74> adpater
[05:30] <Amaranth> the latter
[05:30] <Amaranth> We don't do any work on it
[05:30] <Michael74> what do yo mean?
[05:30] <Amaranth> Some random kernel guy might
[05:31] <Amaranth> Ubuntu does basically zero driver development
[05:31] <Michael74> so you don't know if it is being support
[05:31] <Michael74> I know the WUSB54G V4 is support and works but won't connect fully to networks (problem appeared since 7.04)
[05:32] <Michael74> sucks how I can't find a single wireless card that works right with ubuntu
[05:32] <Michael74> they all worked in 7.04
[05:32] <Amaranth> Michael74: If it doesn't "just work" you probably want ndiswrapper
[05:33] <DanaG> If it must be USB....
[05:33] <Amaranth> This is why you should get Intel everything :)
[05:33] <DanaG> I think Zydas has open-source stuff, but I've never used it to know how well it works.
[05:33] <Amaranth> belkin sells a USB adapter that is supported in linux and OS X
[05:34] <Michael74> last time I used ndiswrapper it took me about 5 hours straight to figure out what in the world the Colsole was talking about
[05:34] <RAOF> Amaranth: Intel for the no-brainer-win.
[05:34] <Amaranth> well, they used to sell one, anyway
[05:34] <Michael74> well Linksys's WERE
[05:34]  * DanaG has ipw3945 + e1000.  Nice.  But not so nice when the e1000 NIC dies and needs a reboot to fix it.
[05:34] <Michael74> in 7.04
[05:34] <Michael74> but something changed in 7.10+ that broke wireless for alot of cards
[05:34] <Amaranth> Michael74: The whole wireless stack in the kernel was replaced
[05:34] <Michael74> I am told that it was the rt200 driver being used now
[05:34] <Michael74> and the rt2500 needs to be put in
[05:35] <Amaranth> no, we're not going back to the old stuff
[05:35] <Amaranth> better to fix the new stuff
[05:36] <Michael74> new?
[05:37] <Amaranth> the stuff used in 7.10+
[05:37] <RAOF> DanaG: That'd be iwl3945, now that it works reliably :)
[05:38] <Amaranth> wow i'm laggy
[05:38] <Amaranth> 5s lag
[05:38] <DanaG> Oddly, iwl3945 still seems to have slightly shorter range, at least for seeing beacons.
[05:38] <DanaG> Then again, it might be hiding things that it can hear but can't 'shout' loud enough to get a message back to.
[05:39] <RAOF> I think I see that, too.
[05:39] <DanaG> Oh, and there's no radiotap support, but I used that as more of a curiosity than as a useful thing.
[05:39]  * RAOF doesn't even know what radiotap *is*.
[05:39] <DanaG> Radiotap is nifty: sniff in promiscuous mode while still being associated to an access point.
[05:39] <Amaranth> damnit
[05:40] <RAOF> Just on the off-chance you want to...?
[05:40] <Amaranth> my connection is spiking hard
[05:40]  * RAOF stops trying to bruteforce Amaranth's system.
[05:57] <Michael74> #ubuntu
[05:58]  * DanaG goes to try kde4...
[09:03] <flamesage> So..
[09:03] <flamesage> Anyone tried out the new ubuntu?
[09:04] <TheInfinity> flamesage: why this channel might exist? ;)
[09:58] <elmargol> Hi I'm searching a kubuntu hardy livecd that has kde4 on it
[09:59] <elmargol> Did only find the gutsy remastered cd
[10:07] <Hobbsee> hardy version doesn't exist yet
[10:13] <aantipop> is there something missing in 2.6.24-4 ?
[10:13] <aantipop> linux-generic still points to -3
[10:14] <Hobbsee> probably restricted/ubuntu modules
[10:15] <aantipop> all there
[10:15] <Hobbsee> then the metapackage hasn't bee updated yet, for whatever reason
[10:15]  * Hobbsee doesn't know if they've finiished pushing changes
[11:02] <kidalabama> hello
[11:02] <kidalabama> i have got problem
[11:02] <kidalabama> 8.04
[11:02] <kidalabama> this is cant partial upgrade.
[11:08] <aantipop> my bluethooth dongle stopped working in hardy, it used to do in gutsy and feisty. ikm just not sure if i might have deactivated bluetooth somewhere..its still recoginzed in lsusb
[11:08] <Hobbsee> kidalabama: so, fix it via apt.
[11:09] <kidalabama> Hobbsee: how ?
[11:09] <Hobbsee> kidalabama: if you need to ask that, and that's all the information you're being given, then go back to gutsy.
[11:09] <Hobbsee> er, you're giving
[11:09] <kidalabama> Hobbsee: :)
[11:09] <Hobbsee> because hardy is not for you.
[11:10] <cwillu> kidalabama, oh boy
[11:10] <cwillu> kidalabama, what does it say exactly?
[11:10] <kidalabama> crash report
[11:11] <kidalabama> and partial upgrade problem
[11:11] <kidalabama> i am usin turkish version
[11:11] <cwillu> did you already complete an upgrade to hardy successfully at some point?
[11:11] <Hobbsee> cwillu: it's probably libflickrnet
[11:11] <cwillu> Hobbsee, I thought they resolved that
[11:12] <cwillu> at least, it stopped bugging me about it in the upgrade a day or two ago
[11:12] <kidalabama> apparmor problem
[11:13]  * Hobbsee updates the topic
[11:14] <Hobbsee> kidalabama: dude, we're not dentists.  give the full error message that you get through apt, or go back to gutsy.
[11:14] <cwillu> kidalabama, is anything visibly broken?  i.e., that stops you from doing something other than updating?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> kidalabama: if you don't have that level of basic competence, you shoudl not be running a development release, and shouldn't really expect people to step you through newbie-type things.
[11:15]  * cwillu thinks back on all his alpha updates
[11:16] <kidalabama> okay
[11:16] <kidalabama> i apologize from you.
[11:16] <cwillu> I think dapper->edgy was the only one that worked flawlessly pre beta, and that was righht before it _went_ beta
[11:16]  * Hobbsee waits for more ifno than just "help, it's broken.  it's an apparmour problem and something to do with upgrading"
[11:16] <Hobbsee> cwillu: i suspect kidalabama was running hardy before, but perhpas not
[11:17] <cwillu> kidalabama, (this may break more things!) open a terminal, run sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade; and if you get errors out of it, paste the output of the whole mess into a pastebin, and then link us the url
[11:17] <cwillu> !pastebin
[11:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:17] <cwillu> Hobbsee, that's what I'm thinking, but I like to hear it from them :p
[11:18]  * cwillu has dealt with too many people who had too much ego to even check if the cable that I knew was unplugged was actually unplugged when I asked them to check it
[11:19] <cwillu> "it's not unplugged" 'yes it is' "no it isn't" 'yes it is' "oh shit, it was unplugged, who'd have thunk it?" '...'
[11:19] <Hobbsee> cwillu: sure, but this isn't #ubuntu.  people are supposed to have a clue here.
[11:20] <cwillu> ya, I'm bad for that actually
[11:21] <cwillu> say, can you think of any way to tell what version of ubuntu was originally installed on a machine, before any sequence of dist-upgrades?
[11:21] <kidalabama> cwillu:  thank you
[11:21] <cwillu> I'm trying to remember which version I started with on this machine
[11:21] <Hobbsee> cwillu: err...good question
[11:22] <Hobbsee> short of looking at dpkg.log...i'm not sure if that ever gets purged.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> you'd be looking for installer logs or something
[11:22] <cwillu> 2.6.15;  is my earliest kernel installed
[11:22] <DarkMageZ> cwillu, dapper.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ah,that works.
[11:23]  * Hobbsee was assuming old kernels got removed
[11:23] <cwillu> yay for never purging kernels :p
[11:23] <cwillu> unless they did a purge at dapper
[11:23] <cwillu> but that sounds about right
[11:23] <cwillu> found a hoary machine a couple months ago, quite the blast from the past
[11:24] <DarkMageZ> hoary was when i filed my first bug report
[11:24] <cwillu> :)
[11:24]  * Hobbsee found an edgy laptop
[11:25] <cwillu> anybody ever run beatrix?
[12:11] <IdleOne> what is up with libflickrnet not configuring?
[12:12] <Hobbsee> should be fixed in the latest uploads
[12:18] <IdleOne> updating now . see what happens
[12:32] <IdleOne> now I have  mono-gac
[12:32] <IdleOne>  libflickrnet2.1.5-cil
[12:32] <IdleOne>  mono-runtime
[12:32] <IdleOne>  libmono2.0-cil
[12:32] <IdleOne>  libmono1.0-cil
[12:32] <IdleOne>  that wont configure
[12:32] <IdleOne> sorry bout the paste
[12:35] <IdleOne> here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52007/
[12:45] <geser> IdleOne: it's a known problem (see bug #182130)
[12:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130
[12:47] <stephank> Oooh, that one. Was f-spot an ubuntu-desktop dependency at some point? Because I simply uninstalled it and that library. :o
[13:14] <IdleOne> geser: what about the other 4 packages?
[13:14] <IdleOne> or are they all depends of each other
[13:15] <IdleOne> because it is the first time I have an issue with them
[13:36] <_MMA_> Does anyone have logon/out sounds working from a clean Hardy install?
[13:49] <XiXaQ> can I ask you people to check something for me? There is a bug in evolution that most users experience. Actually, the only one I know who doesn't experience it, is running hardy, but in my hardy, I have the problem. Create a memo in evolution and select it from the memo list so you can see the content in the section below. Notice if it disappears in 1 minute or less.
[13:51] <XiXaQ> that bug is driving me insane, and since I do appreciate my sanity, I'd very much like to find the cause of that bug to help someone fix it.
[14:02] <mrsno> XiXaQ im trying now, but is that the same as bug 182805 ?
[14:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182805 in evolution "Memo previews are blanked every minute" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182805
[14:02] <XiXaQ> yes. I reported that.
[14:02] <mrsno> oic :)
[14:03] <XiXaQ> I'm not kidding when I say it's driving me nuts. It's like reading a newspaper outside on a stormy day :)
[14:04] <mrsno> lets see, just updating the latest alpha at the mo
[14:20] <mooper> whats the kubuntu dev?
[14:20] <mrsno> hmm my hardy install has fallen over
[14:22] <mrsno> ill try your steps in a while XiXaQ :) after i re-install /me kicks self for not taking a snapshot yesterday
[14:22] <XiXaQ> mrsno, I did that twice this morning. :)
[14:22] <XiXaQ> kicked myself, that is.
[14:23] <mrsno> hehe :)
[14:23] <mrsno> mooper maybe #kubuntu-devel
[15:16] <mrsno> XiXaQ finally done :) i added a new memo, left clicked it and watching it now on the preview underneath
[15:16] <mrsno> hasn't dissapeared (yet)
[15:16] <mrsno> ok now it dissapears, after less than a minute
[15:17] <mrsno> seems to be 30 seconds
[15:19] <XiXaQ> :(
[15:19] <XiXaQ> I think you'll find that it's a precise second.
[15:19] <XiXaQ> I wish I could find out what happens in that moment.
[15:20] <mrsno> so would this be more a wishlist bug XiXaQ ? as you would like the preview to stay active
[15:21] <XiXaQ> I don't think it's designed that way. Why would it be?
[15:22] <XiXaQ> for me, the memo view is severely limited by that bug, since I often write pretty long memos.
[15:26] <mrsno> im not an evolution user, but i wonder is that an actual bug, as in should it be doing something else instead of preview going away after 30seconds-1minute
[15:28] <mrsno> previewing a mail messages does stay previewed until you click away though
[15:33] <XiXaQ> mrsno, yes. So does everything else.
[15:34] <mrsno> so its only the memo that the preview goes away in hmm
[15:34] <XiXaQ> mrsno, it's not a delay. It's a spesific second once every minute,.
[15:34] <XiXaQ> that means, if you're unlucky, you only have one second to read it.
[15:35] <mrsno> opening the memo at least it stays open, im not sure XiXaQ why it works different to mail previews though
[15:37] <XiXaQ> yes, that only happens in memo view. It stays open between 1-59 seconds, depending on when you opened the memo.
[15:47] <dholbach> Packaging 101 Session in #ubuntu-classroom in 12 minutes
[17:17] <monkey89> how do i prevent my desktop icons for hard drive volumes from showing the size of the volume
[18:07] <danbhfive> are there gnome-terminal developers here?
[18:07] <danbhfive> or, where could I find one?
[18:17] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i remove apache2 ?
[18:19] <Pici> pvandewyngaerde: sudo aptitude remove apache2-common and or apache2 iirc.
[18:21] <pvandewyngaerde> i did this, but afterwards i still can start apache2
[18:24] <pvandewyngaerde> apt-get --purge remove apache*    did the trick
[18:24] <pvandewyngaerde> apache2-mpm-prefork* apache2-utils* apache2.2-common* libapache2-mod-php5*
[18:56] <ToHellWithGA> work firewall doesn't like me much
[18:57] <ToHellWithGA> brb
[19:37] <ToHellWithGA> ping
[19:39] <tifine> hello everybody
[19:39] <tifine> i am using ubuntu 7.10 and want to upgrade to ubuntu8.04 can anybody guide me please ? is hardy is stable ?
[19:40] <Pici> see topic, and no.
[19:40] <ToHellWithGA> i would not try dist-upgrading, tifine
[19:41] <tifine> why ?
[19:41] <ToHellWithGA> even clean installs are a little buggy
[19:41] <Pici> tifine: by definition an alpha is not stable.
[19:41] <tifine> okie
[19:41] <tifine> so it means no point of installing it
[19:42] <ToHellWithGA> i hosed my gutsy install *after* downloading the hardy install disc when i tried dist-upgrading
[19:43] <ToHellWithGA> when things are as unsteady as they are, dist-upgrading is not a good idea yet
[19:47] <tifine> okie
[19:47] <tifine> thnxs 4 helping me
[19:48] <ToHellWithGA> if you want help after installing hardy, tifine, please come back
[19:49] <ToHellWithGA> i'd recommend installing it as another OS rather than replacing your current (probably working) ubuntu
[20:02] <slanning> hello - at some point a few weeks ago an annoying flashing thing related to the tracker (which I hate) started always appearing in my gnome panel - I tell it to quit every time I login, but how do I get it to go away forever?
[20:03] <slanning> I turned off the "Indexing Options" in the preferences, tried to disable the tracker as much as possible
[20:05] <slanning> I guess it's relatively minor today, though - since a handful of apps reported that they've crashed, cruelly asking me if I'd like to report the problem only to eventually not allow me to report anything without an account
[20:05] <slanning> :D
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> get an account
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> www.launchpad.net
[20:06] <ToHellWithGA> you can help :)
[20:07] <slanning> I won't register on principle - requiring people to register for an account in order to report bugs is absurd, and I prefer whining uselessly about it
[20:10] <selckin> resolving them often requires 2 way communication, waste of time if you don't follow up on it
[20:11] <selckin> hence registering
[20:12] <ToHellWithGA> when you register and submit a bug you receive email about changes to the bug and/or requests for more information
[20:13] <ToHellWithGA> it's the difference between user and community member, the choice is yours
[20:26] <askand> Is the batterylife improved in hardy?
[20:27] <DanaG> Actually, battery life reporting is screwed up in hardy.
[20:30] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/177570
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed]
[20:53] <Assid> heya
[20:57] <Assid> im thinking of trying out hardy.. i dont mind an occassional break here and there to try and help .. but i really would like to have a system that works
[20:58] <Assid> question is .. should i
[21:03] <danbhfive> im guessing no
[21:04] <danbhfive> i think that when they say "break", they mean you system doesn't boot anymore, and you have to reinstall
[21:04] <danbhfive> *your
[21:05] <Assid> hrmm damn
[21:06] <Assid> will wait for beta then
[21:12] <antdedyet> how do I disable the pulseaudio server in ubuntu+1?
[21:21] <antdedyet> did I ask a hard question? :)
[22:02] <Dislo> hey guys i was wondering if i install 8.04 lts now will i be able to update it to the current version with all the right pacakages or is it going to be a rediculus hassle
[22:03] <Dislo> wait read the topic nevermind
[23:37] <ompaul> Hi, can someone do this in hardy and let me know what happens: /etc/modprobe.d$ grep fb * | wc
[23:38] <crimsun>      25      50    1397
[23:39] <ompaul> crimsun, thanks for that
[23:39]  * ompaul goes off to be depressed ;-)
[23:39] <thoreauputic> so. is the framebuffer deprecated, hmm ???
[23:39] <ompaul> looks like it - or forced deprecation
[23:40]  * thoreauputic waits for the kernel devs to back-pedal furiously...
[23:40] <ompaul> neva
[23:43] <crimsun> ugh, I broke suspend-to-ram with CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G_OPT=y
[23:43] <crimsun> oh well, I'll revert that next go-round.  Not like I need suspend-to-* anyhow.
[23:44] <ompaul> crimsun, :-) it is the reversion that counts
[23:48] <crimsun> I wonder if we're mounting non-ext[23] with UTF-8 as applicable.  Hmm.