[00:00] just trying to start gnome [00:01] my laptop only works in safemode gnome [00:07] alex_mayorga: That's my fault, probably. xgl is starting too slowly, or not at all. [00:07] alex_mayorga: I'll be uploading a fixed xserver-xgl soon. In the mean time, do you really want xgl? If not, touch ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable [00:07] RAOF, how to fix? [00:08] fair enough [00:09] anyone else seeing his/her HP usb printer not working? [00:09] (By "soon" I mean "hopefully tonight, maybe later") [00:13] bug 179537 anyone? [00:13] Launchpad bug 179537 in cupsys "Error when cancelling print task" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179537 [00:44] RAOF, can you take a look to other paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/51958/ [00:47] alex_mayorga: Common problem, not my fault :) [00:47] That package is just broken for now. [00:49] RAOF, is it what makes update-manager "Could not calculate the upgrade"? [00:49] or it's a different bug? [00:49] !codecs [00:49] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [00:52] alex_mayorga: No idea, sorry [01:04] if i go back to gutsy should i delete my /home? [01:13] just did a "update-manager -d" and everything seemed to work good until 1 minute before the entire upgrade was done when everything closed [01:14] is there any command to run to complete everything? [01:15] possibly apt-get dist-upgrade [01:15] or do-release-upgrade [01:15] thanks :) [02:07] what's a good gui based ftp/ssh connect program that can drag and drop files? [02:08] Nautilus [02:08] Places->Map Network Drive [02:08] Sorry, Places->Connect To Server [02:12] Ryuho: try #ubuntu , not here :) [02:12] i did that too, thanks go answer === bigon is now known as bigon` [02:42] what's the name for restricted-extras in hardy? === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [02:54] alex_mayorga: still ubuntu-restricted-extras I think [03:05] Ha, I seem to have a booting problem with my laptop. it says grep and sh aren't found :D [03:05] Boots still, but it takes like 2 minutes to get past those messages [03:06] Also says that AppArmor is unable to register before those 2 errors. Why is it that App Armor can't register? [03:09] oop, over to desktop [03:12] Error messages on start up are "Starting up ... \n AppArmor: Unable to register AppArmor \n Loading, please wait... \n /scripts/init-top/brltty: 19: grep: not found \n sh: grep: not found \n /scripts/init-bottom/udev: 25: rm: not found" [03:13] Anyone able to help? [03:15] what you get from which grep [03:15] and which sh [03:16] Should alpha 3 include newer stuff than can be found in the hardy repos? [03:18] what do you mean alex_mayorga? [03:18] on a terminal type "which sh" [03:18] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3 says it includes kernel 2.6.24.3.5 while the newest one I can see is 2.6.24.3.3 [03:18] /bin/sh alex_mayorga [03:19] what about grep? [03:19] Sonicadvance1: ls -l /bin/sh ? [03:19] /bin/grep alex_mayorga [03:19] Hirvinen_, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-12-06 03:33 /bin/sh -> dash [03:20] Sonicadvance1: And it shows those "\n"s? [03:20] Hirvinen_, no, those are just ment to symbolize new lines [03:21] Ok. [03:21] You wouldn't want me to have spammed the channel would ya? ;) [03:21] RAOF ping [03:24] No, of course not. I just thought that might have been due to dash's echo not supporting -e, which results in escapes supported by bash's or gnu's echo being shown. [03:24] ah [03:25] Anyways. I suffer from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/177504 and as you can see, a few guys claim that it would be fixed in alpha. [03:25] Launchpad bug 177504 in kde-guidance "guidance-power-manager crashes on startup" [Undecided,New] [03:27] I thought that those alphas would be constructed from the hardy repos, but they are implying that alpha 3 would include newer stuff. As does the difference in kernel versions. [03:28] and firefox 3, but I don't see that either [03:28] yup [03:28] anyone knows? [03:28] hm, annoying bug [03:29] Should just reinstall [03:29] should be in the same repos, right? [03:29] Apparently my beliefs have been incorrect. [03:29] firefox 3 is installable via the package manager [03:29] There's firefox-3.0 package [03:30] Think I'll just manually remove the apparmor init script >.> [03:31] !netbeans [03:31] Sorry, I don't know anything about netbeans - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [03:32] !motu [03:32] motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU [03:32] beh, the apparmor file is gone [03:58] alex_mayorga: Pong? Contextless pings are bad, mkay? [04:03] RAOF, just wondering if it's already "night" on your time zone :) [04:03] No :) [04:03] or whether you need a tester for your xgl hack [04:04] I'll ping you if I do. [04:04] But probably not. We're not in feature freeze. The entire xserver-xgl userbase is my tester! [04:04] OK and sorry to bother [04:04] No problem. [04:05] But in future you should probably ping: re , rather than just ping. [04:05] point taken [04:19] GLib-ERROR **: The thread system is not yet initialized. [04:19] What causes that? (trying to run ccsm from git Compiz, and that error only happens if using the gconf backend. [04:33] DanaG: OOOoh, ugh. That'd be some part of the ccsm/libcompizconfig/compizconfig-gconf stack using threads without calling gtk.thread_init() (or the glib version). [04:34] DanaG: Grumble on #compiz-fusion or #compiz-fusion-dev, or hit upstream bugzilla. [04:42] Aah, part of it was me missing python-pyrex. [04:42] And yet somehow it had compiled.... [04:44] I hope that durn idle scheduling will be fixed. [04:48] Idle scheduling? [05:05] Oh yeah, by idle scheduling, I mean this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713 [05:06] Launchpad bug 177713 in linux "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Confirmed] [05:22] FINALLY [05:23] FOUND THE RIGHT CHANNLE [05:23] !! [05:23] alright what good is the daily build? [05:23] and why is it in DVD format [05:23] does it include Kubuntu and Ubuntu on the DVD [05:24] ? [05:24] * burner shrugs [05:25] stats [05:28] Michael74: It's probably not much use to you [05:28] Michael74: you want alpha 3 [05:28] alright [05:29] also does anybody know about Linksys WUSB54GS v2 [05:29] ? [05:29] Michael74: I'm guessing you need ndiswrapper [05:30] so is there planned support for it? [05:30] uh [05:30] or am I stuck for good with a piece of crap [05:30] adpater [05:30] the latter [05:30] We don't do any work on it [05:30] what do yo mean? [05:30] Some random kernel guy might [05:31] Ubuntu does basically zero driver development [05:31] so you don't know if it is being support [05:31] I know the WUSB54G V4 is support and works but won't connect fully to networks (problem appeared since 7.04) [05:32] sucks how I can't find a single wireless card that works right with ubuntu [05:32] they all worked in 7.04 [05:32] Michael74: If it doesn't "just work" you probably want ndiswrapper [05:33] If it must be USB.... [05:33] This is why you should get Intel everything :) [05:33] I think Zydas has open-source stuff, but I've never used it to know how well it works. [05:33] belkin sells a USB adapter that is supported in linux and OS X [05:34] last time I used ndiswrapper it took me about 5 hours straight to figure out what in the world the Colsole was talking about [05:34] Amaranth: Intel for the no-brainer-win. [05:34] well, they used to sell one, anyway [05:34] well Linksys's WERE [05:34] * DanaG has ipw3945 + e1000. Nice. But not so nice when the e1000 NIC dies and needs a reboot to fix it. [05:34] in 7.04 [05:34] but something changed in 7.10+ that broke wireless for alot of cards [05:34] Michael74: The whole wireless stack in the kernel was replaced [05:34] I am told that it was the rt200 driver being used now [05:34] and the rt2500 needs to be put in [05:35] no, we're not going back to the old stuff [05:35] better to fix the new stuff [05:36] new? [05:37] the stuff used in 7.10+ [05:37] DanaG: That'd be iwl3945, now that it works reliably :) [05:38] wow i'm laggy [05:38] 5s lag [05:38] Oddly, iwl3945 still seems to have slightly shorter range, at least for seeing beacons. [05:38] Then again, it might be hiding things that it can hear but can't 'shout' loud enough to get a message back to. [05:39] I think I see that, too. [05:39] Oh, and there's no radiotap support, but I used that as more of a curiosity than as a useful thing. [05:39] * RAOF doesn't even know what radiotap *is*. [05:39] Radiotap is nifty: sniff in promiscuous mode while still being associated to an access point. [05:39] damnit [05:40] Just on the off-chance you want to...? [05:40] my connection is spiking hard [05:40] * RAOF stops trying to bruteforce Amaranth's system. [05:57] #ubuntu [05:58] * DanaG goes to try kde4... === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [09:03] So.. [09:03] Anyone tried out the new ubuntu? [09:04] flamesage: why this channel might exist? ;) === geser_ is now known as geser === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [09:58] Hi I'm searching a kubuntu hardy livecd that has kde4 on it [09:59] Did only find the gutsy remastered cd [10:07] hardy version doesn't exist yet [10:13] is there something missing in 2.6.24-4 ? [10:13] linux-generic still points to -3 [10:14] probably restricted/ubuntu modules [10:15] all there [10:15] then the metapackage hasn't bee updated yet, for whatever reason [10:15] * Hobbsee doesn't know if they've finiished pushing changes === Zdra_ is now known as Zdra === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [11:02] hello [11:02] i have got problem [11:02] 8.04 [11:02] this is cant partial upgrade. [11:08] my bluethooth dongle stopped working in hardy, it used to do in gutsy and feisty. ikm just not sure if i might have deactivated bluetooth somewhere..its still recoginzed in lsusb [11:08] kidalabama: so, fix it via apt. [11:09] Hobbsee: how ? [11:09] kidalabama: if you need to ask that, and that's all the information you're being given, then go back to gutsy. [11:09] er, you're giving [11:09] Hobbsee: :) [11:09] because hardy is not for you. [11:10] kidalabama, oh boy [11:10] kidalabama, what does it say exactly? [11:10] crash report [11:11] and partial upgrade problem [11:11] i am usin turkish version [11:11] did you already complete an upgrade to hardy successfully at some point? [11:11] cwillu: it's probably libflickrnet [11:11] Hobbsee, I thought they resolved that [11:12] at least, it stopped bugging me about it in the upgrade a day or two ago [11:12] apparmor problem === Hobbsee changed the topic of #ubuntu+1 to: Welcome to #ubuntu+1 "Home of the Hardy Heron" and various breakage | This channel is for Hardy discussion only | If you need help with dapper/edgy/feisty/gutsy join #ubuntu | If you are here to ask questions such as "what repositories do i use?", "is hardy going to break for me?", update without checking what is to be updated, or do not know how to resolve dependancies with apt, DO NOT RUN HARDY [11:13] * Hobbsee updates the topic [11:14] kidalabama: dude, we're not dentists. give the full error message that you get through apt, or go back to gutsy. [11:14] kidalabama, is anything visibly broken? i.e., that stops you from doing something other than updating? [11:15] kidalabama: if you don't have that level of basic competence, you shoudl not be running a development release, and shouldn't really expect people to step you through newbie-type things. [11:15] * cwillu thinks back on all his alpha updates [11:16] okay [11:16] i apologize from you. [11:16] I think dapper->edgy was the only one that worked flawlessly pre beta, and that was righht before it _went_ beta [11:16] * Hobbsee waits for more ifno than just "help, it's broken. it's an apparmour problem and something to do with upgrading" [11:16] cwillu: i suspect kidalabama was running hardy before, but perhpas not [11:17] kidalabama, (this may break more things!) open a terminal, run sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade; and if you get errors out of it, paste the output of the whole mess into a pastebin, and then link us the url [11:17] !pastebin [11:17] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [11:17] Hobbsee, that's what I'm thinking, but I like to hear it from them :p [11:18] * cwillu has dealt with too many people who had too much ego to even check if the cable that I knew was unplugged was actually unplugged when I asked them to check it [11:19] "it's not unplugged" 'yes it is' "no it isn't" 'yes it is' "oh shit, it was unplugged, who'd have thunk it?" '...' [11:19] cwillu: sure, but this isn't #ubuntu. people are supposed to have a clue here. [11:20] ya, I'm bad for that actually [11:21] say, can you think of any way to tell what version of ubuntu was originally installed on a machine, before any sequence of dist-upgrades? [11:21] cwillu: thank you [11:21] I'm trying to remember which version I started with on this machine [11:21] cwillu: err...good question [11:22] short of looking at dpkg.log...i'm not sure if that ever gets purged. [11:22] you'd be looking for installer logs or something [11:22] 2.6.15; is my earliest kernel installed [11:22] cwillu, dapper. [11:22] ah,that works. [11:23] * Hobbsee was assuming old kernels got removed [11:23] yay for never purging kernels :p [11:23] unless they did a purge at dapper [11:23] but that sounds about right [11:23] found a hoary machine a couple months ago, quite the blast from the past [11:24] hoary was when i filed my first bug report [11:24] :) [11:24] * Hobbsee found an edgy laptop [11:25] anybody ever run beatrix? [12:11] what is up with libflickrnet not configuring? [12:12] should be fixed in the latest uploads [12:18] updating now . see what happens [12:32] now I have mono-gac [12:32] libflickrnet2.1.5-cil [12:32] mono-runtime [12:32] libmono2.0-cil [12:32] libmono1.0-cil [12:32] that wont configure [12:32] sorry bout the paste [12:35] here is the output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52007/ [12:45] IdleOne: it's a known problem (see bug #182130) [12:45] Launchpad bug 182130 in libflickrnet "package libflickrnet2.1.5-cil 25277-5 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182130 [12:47] Oooh, that one. Was f-spot an ubuntu-desktop dependency at some point? Because I simply uninstalled it and that library. :o [13:14] geser: what about the other 4 packages? [13:14] or are they all depends of each other [13:15] because it is the first time I have an issue with them [13:36] <_MMA_> Does anyone have logon/out sounds working from a clean Hardy install? [13:49] can I ask you people to check something for me? There is a bug in evolution that most users experience. Actually, the only one I know who doesn't experience it, is running hardy, but in my hardy, I have the problem. Create a memo in evolution and select it from the memo list so you can see the content in the section below. Notice if it disappears in 1 minute or less. [13:51] that bug is driving me insane, and since I do appreciate my sanity, I'd very much like to find the cause of that bug to help someone fix it. [14:02] XiXaQ im trying now, but is that the same as bug 182805 ? [14:02] Launchpad bug 182805 in evolution "Memo previews are blanked every minute" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182805 [14:02] yes. I reported that. [14:02] oic :) [14:03] I'm not kidding when I say it's driving me nuts. It's like reading a newspaper outside on a stormy day :) [14:04] lets see, just updating the latest alpha at the mo === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [14:20] whats the kubuntu dev? [14:20] hmm my hardy install has fallen over [14:22] ill try your steps in a while XiXaQ :) after i re-install /me kicks self for not taking a snapshot yesterday [14:22] mrsno, I did that twice this morning. :) [14:22] kicked myself, that is. [14:23] hehe :) [14:23] mooper maybe #kubuntu-devel [15:16] XiXaQ finally done :) i added a new memo, left clicked it and watching it now on the preview underneath [15:16] hasn't dissapeared (yet) [15:16] ok now it dissapears, after less than a minute [15:17] seems to be 30 seconds [15:19] :( [15:19] I think you'll find that it's a precise second. [15:19] I wish I could find out what happens in that moment. [15:20] so would this be more a wishlist bug XiXaQ ? as you would like the preview to stay active [15:21] I don't think it's designed that way. Why would it be? [15:22] for me, the memo view is severely limited by that bug, since I often write pretty long memos. [15:26] im not an evolution user, but i wonder is that an actual bug, as in should it be doing something else instead of preview going away after 30seconds-1minute [15:28] previewing a mail messages does stay previewed until you click away though [15:33] mrsno, yes. So does everything else. [15:34] so its only the memo that the preview goes away in hmm [15:34] mrsno, it's not a delay. It's a spesific second once every minute,. [15:34] that means, if you're unlucky, you only have one second to read it. [15:35] opening the memo at least it stays open, im not sure XiXaQ why it works different to mail previews though [15:37] yes, that only happens in memo view. It stays open between 1-59 seconds, depending on when you opened the memo. [15:47] Packaging 101 Session in #ubuntu-classroom in 12 minutes === bigon` is now known as bigon [17:17] how do i prevent my desktop icons for hard drive volumes from showing the size of the volume [18:07] are there gnome-terminal developers here? [18:07] or, where could I find one? [18:17] how do i remove apache2 ? [18:19] pvandewyngaerde: sudo aptitude remove apache2-common and or apache2 iirc. [18:21] i did this, but afterwards i still can start apache2 [18:24] apt-get --purge remove apache* did the trick [18:24] apache2-mpm-prefork* apache2-utils* apache2.2-common* libapache2-mod-php5* === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [18:56] work firewall doesn't like me much [18:57] brb === Twofish is now known as Blowfish === Blowfish is now known as G0D === G0D is now known as Valkyrie === burne1 is now known as burner === macd_ is now known as macd === awalton__2 is now known as awalton__ [19:37] ping [19:39] hello everybody [19:39] i am using ubuntu 7.10 and want to upgrade to ubuntu8.04 can anybody guide me please ? is hardy is stable ? [19:40] see topic, and no. [19:40] i would not try dist-upgrading, tifine [19:41] why ? [19:41] even clean installs are a little buggy [19:41] tifine: by definition an alpha is not stable. [19:41] okie [19:41] so it means no point of installing it [19:42] i hosed my gutsy install *after* downloading the hardy install disc when i tried dist-upgrading [19:43] when things are as unsteady as they are, dist-upgrading is not a good idea yet [19:47] okie [19:47] thnxs 4 helping me [19:48] if you want help after installing hardy, tifine, please come back [19:49] i'd recommend installing it as another OS rather than replacing your current (probably working) ubuntu === burne1 is now known as burner [20:02] hello - at some point a few weeks ago an annoying flashing thing related to the tracker (which I hate) started always appearing in my gnome panel - I tell it to quit every time I login, but how do I get it to go away forever? [20:03] I turned off the "Indexing Options" in the preferences, tried to disable the tracker as much as possible [20:05] I guess it's relatively minor today, though - since a handful of apps reported that they've crashed, cruelly asking me if I'd like to report the problem only to eventually not allow me to report anything without an account [20:05] :D [20:06] get an account [20:06] www.launchpad.net [20:06] you can help :) [20:07] I won't register on principle - requiring people to register for an account in order to report bugs is absurd, and I prefer whining uselessly about it [20:10] resolving them often requires 2 way communication, waste of time if you don't follow up on it [20:11] hence registering [20:12] when you register and submit a bug you receive email about changes to the bug and/or requests for more information [20:13] it's the difference between user and community member, the choice is yours === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [20:26] Is the batterylife improved in hardy? [20:27] Actually, battery life reporting is screwed up in hardy. [20:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/177570 [20:30] Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed] === Dana1 is now known as DanaG [20:53] heya [20:57] im thinking of trying out hardy.. i dont mind an occassional break here and there to try and help .. but i really would like to have a system that works [20:58] question is .. should i [21:03] im guessing no [21:04] i think that when they say "break", they mean you system doesn't boot anymore, and you have to reinstall [21:04] *your [21:05] hrmm damn [21:06] will wait for beta then [21:12] how do I disable the pulseaudio server in ubuntu+1? [21:21] did I ask a hard question? :) [22:02] hey guys i was wondering if i install 8.04 lts now will i be able to update it to the current version with all the right pacakages or is it going to be a rediculus hassle [22:03] wait read the topic nevermind === marko-_-_ is now known as marko-_- [23:37] Hi, can someone do this in hardy and let me know what happens: /etc/modprobe.d$ grep fb * | wc [23:38] 25 50 1397 [23:39] crimsun, thanks for that [23:39] * ompaul goes off to be depressed ;-) [23:39] so. is the framebuffer deprecated, hmm ??? [23:39] looks like it - or forced deprecation [23:40] * thoreauputic waits for the kernel devs to back-pedal furiously... [23:40] neva [23:43] ugh, I broke suspend-to-ram with CONFIG_VMSPLIT_2G_OPT=y [23:43] oh well, I'll revert that next go-round. Not like I need suspend-to-* anyhow. [23:44] crimsun, :-) it is the reversion that counts [23:48] I wonder if we're mounting non-ext[23] with UTF-8 as applicable. Hmm.