| kgoetz | XiXaQ: i'll look at the link when i can | 01:08 |
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| CarlFK | installer is telling me "you need at least 3.2 gig" - (the desktop requirement) | 01:18 |
| CarlFK | but, isn't the limit set in initrd.gz, which is the same for both desktop and server ? | 01:19 |
| kgoetz | 3.2gig for an install? | 01:21 |
| CarlFK | right | 01:22 |
| CarlFK | I have a 450mb partition I want to install to. | 01:23 |
| kgoetz | bloated a bit since the 1.8gb days :\ | 01:23 |
| nealmcb | CarlFK: is this a server install? gutsy? | 01:28 |
| nealmcb | I think we've seen some installs at about 500 MB | 01:29 |
| nealmcb | nijaba did the tests IIRC | 01:29 |
| CarlFK | nealmcb: gutsy, server | 01:30 |
| CarlFK | nealmcb: but, I am doing a net install, and that uses the same initrd.gz as the alternate cd (that's what I was told) | 01:37 |
| CarlFK | i am guessing server has its own initrd | 01:37 |
| kgoetz | does anyone else consider update-alternatives refusing to run with only one option a bug? | 03:15 |
| kgoetz | ah thats got it | 03:17 |
| kgoetz | for the logs, i needed to `sudo update-alternatives --auto x-www-browser` | 03:20 |
| kgoetz | then i could `sudo update-alternatives --verbose --config x-www-browser` | 03:20 |
| nealmcb | CarlFK: what exactly are you seeing, at what point in the install? when I've run into installer problems with space, it was very different (desktop install), and I don't know what would be in initrd.gz that had to do with this | 04:34 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: is there a bug or other official request to package calendar server? seems like a good idea. | 04:35 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: do you know what userid the server runs as on macos? | 04:37 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, yes. | 04:37 |
| XiXaQ | no. | 04:37 |
| nealmcb | 42 | 04:37 |
| nealmcb | :-) | 04:37 |
| XiXaQ | I'll call it caldavd in the wiki. | 04:38 |
| kgoetz | 6x9 | 04:38 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: a link to the request to package would be a nice addition to the page. | 04:39 |
| XiXaQ | that it would. I'll see to it. Thanks. | 04:39 |
| nealmcb | I took out the reference about "should run on desktop" because that seems true to me about everything, and saying it could lead to confusion about other server apps on ubuntu | 04:40 |
| kgoetz | can you give me the link again? | 04:40 |
| nealmcb | information about feisty, dapper etc would of course be handy | 04:40 |
| nealmcb | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CalendarServer | 04:41 |
| kgoetz | thanks | 04:41 |
| * kgoetz will be trying it out on dapper probably | 04:41 | |
| nealmcb | excellent | 04:41 |
| nealmcb | I started following calendar stuff a bit at the ietf back in the mid '90's and it has been a real slog.... | 04:42 |
| kgoetz | so is the apple thing open source/free software? | 04:43 |
| nealmcb | I also wonder how how emailing appointments fits in to all this | 04:43 |
| nealmcb | apache 2 license | 04:43 |
| kgoetz | no probs | 04:43 |
| CarlFK | nealmcb: boot into the installer, it detects disks, givs me partition options, like "shrink", "use largest space", "use whole disk", II pick "Manual" and it displays a dialog "you need at least 3.2 gig" - which was kinda surprising, given I hadn't picked the 450mb partition yet | 04:43 |
| kgoetz | when i looked ~12 months ago at calendaring everything i could find was a monolithic blob or proprietary | 04:43 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, it isn't necessarily so. You need to install some packages for that software to run. If it isn't present, then the scripts will fail. I'm not 100% sure the desktop variants include it all. | 04:44 |
| nealmcb | CarlFK: you said the net installer? from which cd or location? | 04:44 |
| CarlFK | nealmcb: initrd.gz is the only file I can think of that would contain the setting for how much space is needed. | 04:44 |
| CarlFK | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/ubuntu-installer/i386/ | 04:45 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: the packages are all available to both server and desktop, so it just requires being specific about all the necessary packages | 04:45 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, yes, and that would require additional work on the wiki, or at least testing. | 04:46 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, I have tested using server 7.10, but not with desktop. | 04:46 |
| XiXaQ | so I don't _know_ that it works, even though, as the wiki sais, is should. | 04:46 |
| kgoetz | XiXaQ: considering teh disclaimer at the top, i think it only sort-of-working is ok ;) | 04:47 |
| XiXaQ | the disclaimer is temporary. | 04:48 |
| kgoetz | "Installing Apple's iCal Server is fairly trivial once you know what to do" jee thanks :p | 04:48 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: got it - perhaps a jeos build would uncover everything that could be missing - or are there things in jeos that are not in desktop? | 04:48 |
| XiXaQ | kgoetz, try finding a good howto else where :) | 04:48 |
| XiXaQ | we had to follow quite a number of blogs and forum posts to get it running. | 04:49 |
| * nealmcb cheers for perseverance! | 04:49 | |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, I seriously doubt that. Owl is installing it on jeos I think. | 04:49 |
| kgoetz | XiXaQ: no, i'll fix anything i find wrong :p | 04:49 |
| XiXaQ | oh, and I meant owh :) | 04:50 |
| kgoetz | mmm. i'm wondering if i should 'correct' it to not recomend using sudo -s | 04:52 |
| * nealmcb nods | 04:52 | |
| XiXaQ | hmm? | 04:53 |
| XiXaQ | why? | 04:53 |
| * kgoetz wishes <ubuntu swiki> broke the pages into sections like mediawiki | 04:53 | |
| nealmcb | advantages of using sudo on each line are for clarity, for preserving shell history across both sudo and non-sudo lines, preserving history of what was done in /var/log/auth.log(?), avoiding dangerous other commands, etc | 04:54 |
| XiXaQ | sudo -s is ok when you have alot of commands to issue as part of the same job. | 04:54 |
| XiXaQ | that was a few good points. | 04:55 |
| kgoetz | sudo -s uses the non-root users environment, which can lead to Bad Things | 04:55 |
| XiXaQ | I'll fix that then. | 04:55 |
| * kgoetz tries to work out what user_xattr does | 04:55 | |
| nealmcb | kgoetz: surprising - what env diffs are there for sudo -s and regular sudo? | 04:56 |
| kgoetz | nealmcb: not sure - you need -i to get a 'full' root shell | 04:57 |
| nealmcb | kgoetz: I think su -i would be even worse | 04:57 |
| nealmcb | but does get the full root environment | 04:57 |
| XiXaQ | sudo addgroup caldavd; sudo adduser --system caldavd --ingroup caldavd <-- Is that the right way to do it, or can I do it in one command? | 04:57 |
| nealmcb | but that shouldn't matter for these commands | 04:57 |
| kgoetz | adduser should make a gropu at the same time | 04:58 |
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| XiXaQ | kgoetz, sudo adduser --system username? | 04:58 |
| kgoetz | i'm wondering if you think doing the svn checkout to ~, then svn export >/opt/calendar would be better? the only advantage to checkout in /opt/ is for posable updates | 04:58 |
| ma11oc | hi, i'm having trouble getting vnc set up on ubuntu server 6.06, could anyone shed some light? | 04:58 |
| kgoetz | XiXaQ: should work | 04:59 |
| XiXaQ | kgoetz, no, that'll cause it to be placed in nogroup. | 05:00 |
| kgoetz | By default, system users are placed in the nogroup group. To place the new system user in an already existing | 05:01 |
| kgoetz | group, use the --gid or --ingroup options. To place the new system user in a new group with the same ID, use the | 05:01 |
| kgoetz | --group option. | 05:01 |
| kgoetz | adduser man page, ~ line 67 | 05:01 |
| XiXaQ | adduser --system username --group :) | 05:03 |
| XiXaQ | right :) | 05:03 |
| kgoetz | i cant help package (no skills there), but i can go over that wiki page and try and clean/tidy some stuff up if you want | 05:03 |
| XiXaQ | that's nice. | 05:06 |
| XiXaQ | I'm connected via ssh. I run sudo -u command & and then I log out. The command will still run in the background, right? | 05:07 |
| kgoetz | run it in screen | 05:07 |
| kgoetz | -u is user | 05:07 |
| kgoetz | -b The -b (background) option tells sudo to run the given command in the background. Note that if you use the | 05:08 |
| kgoetz | -b option you cannot use shell job control to manipulate the process. | 05:08 |
| XiXaQ | yes, I know that. | 05:10 |
| XiXaQ | I need to run the command in the background as another user. | 05:10 |
| * kgoetz waits to load wiki edit page | 05:10 | |
| kgoetz | try -u user -b | 05:11 |
| kgoetz | or screen sudo -u fred -b command | 05:11 |
| XiXaQ | ok, what's the difference from using &? | 05:15 |
| kgoetz | & will probably background your sudo not the command itself | 05:16 |
| XiXaQ | ok. | 05:17 |
| kgoetz | XiXaQ: you done editing the ubuntu wiki? its got a lock open | 05:17 |
| XiXaQ | no. | 05:17 |
| kgoetz | not done? lock expires in 2 minutes. hit 'preview' again is my advice ;) | 05:18 |
| XiXaQ | there are other problems. It should be changed to have everything in /opt/CalendarServer too. Now it creates a few more subdirectories in /opt | 05:18 |
| kgoetz | what sort of subdirectories? | 05:19 |
| kgoetz | and why do we enable user_xattr? i cant seem to find anything useful about what it does online | 05:21 |
| XiXaQ | pydirector-1.0.0.0, vobject and Twisted | 05:24 |
| kgoetz | hm. | 05:25 |
| kgoetz | i'll have to build it tojjorrow | 05:25 |
| kgoetz | cant today, wont be hom e until late | 05:25 |
| kgoetz | s/jj/mm | 05:25 |
| XiXaQ | I've made some changes, so I'll install it and test that it actually works. | 05:25 |
| kgoetz | how big is the source checkout? | 05:26 |
| XiXaQ | 18-20MB | 05:27 |
| kgoetz | oh, very sane | 05:28 |
| kgoetz | perhaps meantion that size on teh wiki page btw | 05:29 |
| * kgoetz finds 'total amount of downloading for this projhect is 42343mb' quite helpful | 05:34 | |
| XiXaQ | : | 05:35 |
| XiXaQ | :) | 05:35 |
| kgoetz | (esp on dialup/shaped adsl/satalite) | 05:36 |
| XiXaQ | noted. | 05:38 |
| kgoetz | XiXaQ: theres no lock on the wiki now - do i take it you stopped editing? | 05:38 |
| XiXaQ | for the time being. I'm installing Hardy server to test that it actually works. | 05:39 |
| XiXaQ | cause I know that if it works in hardy, then it works in 7.10 too. | 05:39 |
| * kgoetz checks updated version, and might make some edits | 05:40 | |
| kgoetz | i'm wondering if the filesystem remount will work, because of existing attached processes | 05:42 |
| XiXaQ | hmm? | 05:43 |
| XiXaQ | I have tested that setup with 7.10 server. | 05:43 |
| kgoetz | mount -o remount /home/ | 05:44 |
| kgoetz | s#/home/#/# | 05:44 |
| kgoetz | but are you sure the filesystem change applied? | 05:44 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: offhand I'd think the svn checkout would be better as non-root in a different (user?) directory, but I'm only glancing at the emailed diffs :-) | 05:45 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, you're right about that, though I don't think it matters a great deal. Noted though. :) | 05:46 |
| nealmcb | but thanks for the sudo changes and user admin updates! | 05:47 |
| kgoetz | Most users will be familiar with apt-get, many with subversion <- probalby need to change this, btw | 05:49 |
| kgoetz | download some necessary packages <- and this (what necesary packages?) | 05:54 |
| kgoetz | why arnt they installed alreayd? :) | 05:54 |
| XiXaQ | hmm? | 05:54 |
| XiXaQ | the packages are listed there. | 05:55 |
| XiXaQ | they're not already installed because we didn't need them until now. | 05:55 |
| kgoetz | thats probably all i can do until i get a chance to build it myself and find out the details of the build/install process | 06:00 |
| nealmcb | kgoetz: nice - thanks | 06:04 |
| XiXaQ | yey. I'll just take a snapshot of the image, and then installation on hardy server can begin :) | 06:06 |
| kgoetz | nealmcb: np ;) getting docs 'more or less' right i'm good at, its making them submitable is my failing ;) | 06:06 |
| * kgoetz sets up chroot to try in | 06:31 | |
| XiXaQ | did you have an edit window open while I was editing? | 06:32 |
| kgoetz | i started editing, when i asked and you said you stopped -- if you started editing again while i was then perhaps yes | 06:32 |
| kgoetz | are you editing right now? python-pyxattr instead of python-xattr (in the apt-get install bit) | 06:33 |
| kgoetz | and i cant find python-dateutil or *dateutil* at all in apt | 06:34 |
| XiXaQ | what version? | 06:35 |
| kgoetz | 7.10 | 06:35 |
| XiXaQ | I've had no problems with either 7.10 or 8.04 so far. | 06:35 |
| kgoetz | hm. svn checkout doesnt need a sudo while its done in /home/ | 06:36 |
| XiXaQ | server? | 06:36 |
| kgoetz | same repositories | 06:36 |
| kgoetz | gutsy[-security,-updates] | 06:36 |
| kgoetz | ah, universe is missing | 06:36 |
| XiXaQ | it's not done in home. It's done in /opt, and that should be changed. | 06:36 |
| kgoetz | grrr. *mustnt have saved right* | 06:36 |
| kgoetz | i changed it | 06:37 |
| XiXaQ | please don't change the packages?=! | 06:37 |
| XiXaQ | we spent quite some time figuring out what was needed. | 06:38 |
| kgoetz | pardon? | 06:38 |
| XiXaQ | have you changed the packages for install on the wiki? | 06:38 |
| kgoetz | nope. just the formatting | 06:38 |
| XiXaQ | <kgoetz> are you editing right now? python-pyxattr instead of python-xattr (in the apt-get install bit) <-- What does that mean? | 06:39 |
| kgoetz | i couldnt find python-xattr (its in universe, which wasnt enabled for some reason) | 06:39 |
| XiXaQ | I have to test one thing. I can't test alot of different setups at the same time. I know the packages that were there before works. | 06:39 |
| kgoetz | but it appeared after enabling universe :) | 06:39 |
| XiXaQ | you didn't change the package installation? Someone has. | 06:40 |
| kgoetz | what about it? | 06:40 |
| kgoetz | the formatting? | 06:40 |
| XiXaQ | I don't know,. | 06:41 |
| XiXaQ | I'll have to read all the changes I've received in the mail to make sure all the packages are still the same, unless someone can confirm that they are. | 06:42 |
| XiXaQ | it's abit difficult to test an assumption when the assumption is changed while you're performing the test.. | 06:42 |
| nealmcb | XiXaQ: you can just look at the wiki history online | 06:48 |
| * kgoetz logs out of caltry1 chroot and leaves it alone | 06:49 | |
| XiXaQ | the reason there were two different apt-get commands to begin with, was that someone said that was necessary in a blog, but it should'nt be, so I was about to merge them into a single apt-get command, when there was suddenly three of them. | 06:49 |
| XiXaQ | nealmcb, no, I'll just test with the packages that are there now. | 06:50 |
| XiXaQ | the guide doesn't work anymore.. :( | 06:59 |
| XiXaQ | I'll fix it. Please don't make any edits. | 07:01 |
| kgoetz | theres probably not-quite-right stuff from my changes. (i spotted a few after i saved) | 07:01 |
| XiXaQ | heh, like being in the wrong directory and such? :) | 07:12 |
| kgoetz | i was going to checkout the svn in a user home, then sudo export it to /opt/wherever - i just didnt put that in right :( so yes, you probably wind up in wierd places | 07:13 |
| XiXaQ | that's a different installation procedure. | 07:27 |
| Kalamansi | hello is there any way to minize setting of pc2 and pc3? like i will not put my isp's dns? pc1 is my server and i have no router. pc2 and pc3 can connect to the internet with assigned ip,gateway,subnet and dns of my isp..how to minimize this without setting my isp's dns? i dont want to expose my dns to the public... | 07:41 |
| owh | hi XiXaQ | 07:47 |
| XiXaQ | owh, hey :) | 07:47 |
| owh | I've been looking at the latest wiki changes, but I have to say that they're making it more and more complicated. | 07:48 |
| owh | I mean, svn to your home directory, then move it to /opt. WTF? | 07:48 |
| owh | The notion of making each command a sudo makes no sense to me either. | 07:48 |
| XiXaQ | yes, and it doesn't work anymore. | 07:48 |
| owh | I am in favour of reverting it to NealMc mumble's revision. | 07:49 |
| XiXaQ | is there a way to revert to an older version? | 07:49 |
| XiXaQ | :) | 07:49 |
| owh | Yup, I'm in favour of going back to #36, click on "Info" at the top. | 07:49 |
| owh | You should also put a note near the bottom of the text entry field (there's a separate field for it) indicating the nature of the edit. | 07:50 |
| owh | You can also see difs. | 07:50 |
| owh | +f | 07:50 |
| owh | I think the edit from KarlG didn't help the issue. There was a reason we had them as two lists! | 07:52 |
| owh | Hey, kgoetz, you're in here, excellent. | 07:52 |
| owh | kgoetz: What were you trying to achieve with your edit of the CalendarServer wiki page, revision #41? | 07:53 |
| * XiXaQ reverts it to #36 | 07:54 | |
| XiXaQ | let's just hope it's the guide that's faulty and not the svn version that's become incompatible. | 07:54 |
| owh | XiXaQ: Actually, #37 is fine, that's before we started the silly sudo stuff :) | 07:54 |
| XiXaQ | it's done. :) | 07:55 |
| owh | Cool, so how did you figure out that it broke? | 07:55 |
| XiXaQ | I've installed it three times the last two hours. | 07:56 |
| owh | So what happened? | 07:57 |
| XiXaQ | missing files, unknown commands... | 07:57 |
| owh | Did you change any steps? | 07:57 |
| XiXaQ | I'm making a second attempt with #36 now, so we'll know in a little while if it's the svn version of the guide. | 07:57 |
| XiXaQ | yes, quite a few. | 07:58 |
| owh | XiXaQ: Uh, but it was working right? | 07:58 |
| owh | I'm just trying to understand why you would change steps if the procedure was working. | 07:58 |
| XiXaQ | some of them are really necessary, such as giving it its own user. | 07:59 |
| owh | XiXaQ: Yeah, but that's after the install succeeds right? | 07:59 |
| XiXaQ | the problem is that the guide was changed while I was testing if it was working or not, so I can't say for sure. | 07:59 |
| XiXaQ | well, that's part of the install. It's the last step. | 07:59 |
| owh | XiXaQ: So, the missing files happened when? | 08:00 |
| XiXaQ | no, you're right. run -s succeeds. It's when it's run that the problems occur. | 08:00 |
| XiXaQ | when running it. | 08:00 |
| XiXaQ | but as I said, I'm installing from scratch now, so we'll know shortly. | 08:00 |
| owh | So, this might just turn out to be a permissions issue, which wouldn't surprise me. | 08:01 |
| XiXaQ | though it's my turn to have problems with my connections. :) | 08:01 |
| XiXaQ | no, I made sure they were set correctly. | 08:01 |
| owh | XiXaQ: Hey, hate to bail, but I *have* to go. | 08:02 |
| owh | Email me if you need to. | 08:02 |
| XiXaQ | that's ok. :) | 08:02 |
| owh | later | 08:02 |
| XiXaQ | yup. | 08:02 |
| XiXaQ | see you later. | 08:02 |
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| mok0 | is there an easy way to remove all the not-needed graphics software from a server? | 09:30 |
| XiXaQ | huh? | 09:43 |
| XiXaQ | there is no graphics software in the server install. | 09:44 |
| mok0 | c | 10:06 |
| mok0 | is there an easy way to remove all graphics oriented software from a server? | 10:08 |
| XiXaQ | what? | 10:09 |
| XiXaQ | there is none. | 10:09 |
| XiXaQ | have you manually installed such software? | 10:09 |
| mok0 | yes, its a workstation converted to a server | 10:11 |
| _ruben | yuck | 10:12 |
| _ruben | i'd suggest a clean install .. tho uninstalling the X server *should* take most of the graphical crap with it | 10:12 |
| mok0 | _ruben: yeah I guess | 10:13 |
| XiXaQ | mok0, server uses a different kernel. | 10:13 |
| _ruben | and you could always audit the output of dpkg -l by hand | 10:13 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: didn't know that | 10:13 |
| _ruben | kernel is easy to replace | 10:13 |
| XiXaQ | is's PAE-enabled, and it's tickless. | 10:14 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: cool | 10:14 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: is that on the alternate CD? | 10:14 |
| _ruben | then again, clean install sure is the cleanest (duh) way to do so | 10:14 |
| XiXaQ | it's on the server cd or the dvd. | 10:14 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: ok, thx | 10:14 |
| mok0 | _ruben: yeah but I've already spent a lot of time configuring t he box | 10:15 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: what's the package name of the server kernel? | 10:15 |
| _ruben | linux-server | 10:15 |
| mok0 | duh | 10:15 |
| mok0 | :) | 10:16 |
| _ruben | linux-generic is the default for desktop | 10:16 |
| XiXaQ | mok0, I don't know if you're aware of this, but the server install has quite a few helpful tasks. | 10:16 |
| _ruben | linux-386 for when you have an ancient/odd/whatever cpu | 10:16 |
| mok0 | _ruben: It's a Pentium III | 10:17 |
| _ruben | -generic and -server should work fine on those afaik | 10:17 |
| _ruben | i use -386 on a via c3 cpu .. which lacks some instructions making the -server kernel unusable | 10:17 |
| mok0 | _ruben: ah, I've never actually talked to someone who uses a via cpu | 10:18 |
| mok0 | Pentium III is i686 | 10:19 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: What tasks are you referring to? | 10:19 |
| _ruben | LAMP/Print server/etc | 10:20 |
| mok0 | _ruben: very nice. | 10:20 |
| mok0 | I just need it for kerberos and ldap | 10:20 |
| XiXaQ | mok0, mailserver, lamp, ldap, postgresql, etc. | 10:21 |
| XiXaQ | dns. | 10:21 |
| XiXaQ | hehe, actually, there is no ldap and kerberos tasks. At least not in 7.10 | 10:21 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: hmmm. very convincing... but I should be able to manually select that set of packages, right? | 10:22 |
| XiXaQ | yes. | 10:22 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: I was just wondering whether there existed a meta package, like gnome-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, that converts Ubuntu to Kubuntu and vice versa. | 10:23 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: For example, a server-install package, that has dependencies and conflicts etc. | 10:24 |
| XiXaQ | I don't understand the question. Yes, there are packages for ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, etc. | 10:24 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: A package that converts a workstation to a server | 10:24 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: By conflicting with X-windows etc | 10:25 |
| XiXaQ | no, that'd be very surprising, since almost all software would have to be replaced. | 10:25 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: heh, I understand | 10:25 |
| XiXaQ | it'd be faster to simply reinstall from a server cd. | 10:25 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: Hm, I am almost convinced... | 10:26 |
| XiXaQ | alot less work too. | 10:26 |
| _ruben | and some ppl do want X on their server (yuck!), so a server package that would prevent X would be bad (for some ppl) | 10:26 |
| XiXaQ | _ruben, why are you opposed to having X on a server? | 10:26 |
| _ruben | XiXaQ: X isnt a very secure thing, and all configs can be done via commandline .. and there's always remote X, which only requires a few X libs instead of a complete resource hogging X server | 10:27 |
| _ruben | resources and security being the main issues here | 10:28 |
| mok0 | _ruben: I agree | 10:28 |
| _ruben | and servers also tend to run headless | 10:28 |
| _ruben | rendering X even more usless | 10:28 |
| _ruben | useless | 10:28 |
| mok0 | _ruben: that's what I did to this box... took of monitor, mouse and keyboard and put it in the server room | 10:29 |
| mok0 | s/of/off | 10:29 |
| XiXaQ | I run several small server setups with mailserver, lamp and nx. Xorg is installed, but isn't running. That's fine. | 10:29 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: yes it is | 10:30 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: But then you may as well uninstall it :-) | 10:30 |
| XiXaQ | why? | 10:30 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: disk space? | 10:30 |
| XiXaQ | the applications I use depend on it. | 10:30 |
| mok0 | XiXaQ: ok | 10:30 |
| mok0 | Ah, btw, what is the run level that doesnt start X? | 10:31 |
| _ruben | i think 3, for X it is 5 .. but i aint sure | 10:31 |
| mok0 | _ruben: Ubuntu normally runs at 2 | 10:32 |
| mok0 | _ruben: what you say is true for RedHat systems | 10:32 |
| _ruben | arent runlevels deprecated since 'upstart' ? havent looked into that that much, i come from a suse environment, only started experimented with ubuntu recently | 10:33 |
| mok0 | _ruben: I don't know | 10:35 |
| _ruben | mok0: never really looked into the runlevels/sysv init stuff | 10:37 |
| mok0 | Quick Google search: "Run levels 2 through 5 are full multi-user mode and are the same in a default User Linux (Debian) system. It is a common practice in other Linux distributions to use run level 3 for a text console login and run level 5 for a graphical login." | 10:37 |
| _ruben | debian (stable) doesnt use upstart (yet) afaik | 10:38 |
| mok0 | Never heard of upstart | 10:39 |
| _ruben | its ubuntu's replacement of init | 10:41 |
| mok0 | _ruben: ah, the venerable init | 10:41 |
| _ruben | upstart sure looks like a nice project | 10:41 |
| mok0 | http://upstart.ubuntu.com :-) | 10:42 |
| _ruben | more or less combines init and daemontools (by dj bernstein, qmail author) | 10:42 |
| mok0 | looks pretty cool | 10:42 |
| _ruben | yeah | 10:43 |
| mok0 | wouldn't hurt getting a faster boot... | 10:43 |
| _ruben | ubuntu-server boots pretty darn fast i'd say | 10:43 |
| jords | heh, I just run my server 24/7 so i don't mind :D | 10:44 |
| _ruben | JeOS is probably even fast (Just Enough OS, even more stripped down version of ubuntu-server, designed for virtualization and such) | 10:44 |
| _ruben | jords: during deployments (of the server), a fast boot cycle is a pro :) | 10:44 |
| mok0 | _ruben: is jeos tickless as well? | 10:45 |
| _ruben | jords: and i doubt you upgrade your kernel without rebooting | 10:45 |
| soren | mok0: Well, you can use kubuntu-desktop to *convert* from an Ubuntu desktop to a Kubuntu one. You just *add* all the KDE stuff. You don't remove the GNOME stuff. | 10:45 |
| _ruben | mok0: wouldnt know, have only heard about it in this channel a bit, havent looked into it myself | 10:45 |
| soren | mok0: likewise, there's no meta-package for ubuntu-server, as it doesn't add anything that's not in the desktop install. It just doesn't include all the graphical stuff. | 10:45 |
| soren | mok0: Also, removing the x server will not do you much good. | 10:46 |
| _ruben | might look into jeos once i get some spare time investigating some virtualization opportunities | 10:46 |
| soren | mok0: No graphical applications I can think of depend on the presence of an X server. | 10:46 |
| mok0 | soren: ok, I was looking for a package that would remove all non-server related stuff | 10:46 |
| _ruben | soren: hmm .. indeed, thought too simple on that one .. i even suggested the remote X possibility myself :p | 10:47 |
| soren | mok0: No such package exists, no. | 10:47 |
| soren | mok0: You can remove libx11, for instance. | 10:47 |
| soren | mok0: That will likely remove most of the stuff you don't want. | 10:48 |
| mok0 | soren: I can try it, no harm done :-) | 10:48 |
| soren | mok0: Possibly followed by an apt-get autoclean. | 10:48 |
| mok0 | aptitude is now working on it... | 10:49 |
| jords | _ruben: that's true. Hot-puggable kernels is a bit of a stretch | 10:50 |
| soren | Yes, the -virtual kernel image (used by Jeos) is also tickless. | 10:50 |
| _ruben | what exactly does this 'tickless' mean/impose? | 10:51 |
| mok0 | ... from the list of files, it seems removing libx11-6 does pretty much what I want... aptitude still working... | 10:51 |
| soren | mok0: The problem is that it will only remove libraries and binaries. Not the variuos -common packages, for instance. | 10:53 |
| soren | _ruben: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/022807-kernel.html | 10:53 |
| mok0 | soren: it has around 30 packages left unresolved, mostly data packages that recommend other ones | 10:54 |
| soren | mok0: autoclean? | 10:54 |
| mok0 | soren: hang on... | 10:55 |
| mok0 | soren: It's going to free 1663Mb | 10:55 |
| mok0 | what does {a} and {u} mean in the package names? | 10:56 |
| _ruben | soren: interesting read | 10:58 |
| mok0 | soren: it needs to remove 625 packages, it will take probably 10 minutes | 10:58 |
| soren | mok0: re: "{a} and {u}"... I have no clue. | 11:01 |
| mok0 | soren: it's an aptitude thing I think | 11:01 |
| acidfire2008 | _ruben u around | 11:01 |
| _ruben | acidfire2008: more or less | 11:01 |
| soren | mok0: I think so, too. Otherwise, I probably would have known :) | 11:01 |
| acidfire2008 | u remember us talking the other night about pure-ftpd? | 11:01 |
| mok0 | ... " libxpm4{a} libxrandr2{a} libxrender1{a} .." | 11:01 |
| soren | mok0: Perhaps "automatically installed (as a dependency)" ? | 11:02 |
| _ruben | acidfire2008: i dont recall your nick, but do recall some pure-ftpd stuff | 11:02 |
| acidfire2008 | well u showed me how to set port etc on it | 11:02 |
| mok0 | soren: yeah that's probably it... "auto" and "user" | 11:02 |
| acidfire2008 | i saved where to allow fxp | 11:02 |
| soren | mok0: Makes sense. | 11:02 |
| acidfire2008 | but cnat remember how to change port haha | 11:02 |
| acidfire2008 | remember we had to add a file in the conf directory | 11:02 |
| _ruben | acidfire2008: Bind was the filename iirc | 11:03 |
| acidfire2008 | thats right or something like that | 11:03 |
| acidfire2008 | how did u do that command with echo? | 11:03 |
| _ruben | echo ",PORTNUMBER" | tee /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind ... the path might be slightly off, doing this from top of my head | 11:03 |
| _ruben | oops | 11:04 |
| _ruben | echo ",PORTNUMBER" | sudo tee /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind ... the path might be slightly off, doing this from top of my head | 11:04 |
| * mok0 goes off to get a cup of coffee | 11:04 | |
| * _ruben goes off for lunch | 11:04 | |
| acidfire2008 | ty | 11:04 |
| acidfire2008 | all day i could not remember that | 11:08 |
| acidfire2008 | and he comes online and bam its fixed in 2 mins | 11:08 |
| acidfire2008 | _ruben when u get back plez let me know i got one more ? to ask u | 11:18 |
| _ruben | back | 11:39 |
| acidfire2008 | k im looking into being able to change permission | 11:40 |
| acidfire2008 | i cant write or delete etc to a folder | 11:40 |
| acidfire2008 | but i can on my home folder | 11:40 |
| _ruben | probably not pure-ftpd related, just standard file permissions | 11:41 |
| acidfire2008 | k | 11:41 |
| acidfire2008 | then how can i set that? | 11:41 |
| acidfire2008 | ./usr/local/torrent/acidphyre/ | 11:41 |
| acidfire2008 | like i would like to be able to edit that directory | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | its a directory | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | not file btw | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | do i can upload to that directory | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | so* | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | and woudl u possible nkow how i could change my home directory when i login? | 11:42 |
| acidfire2008 | im making note of all this so i wont ever have to ask again | 11:43 |
| acidfire2008 | sorry to bother u man | 11:43 |
| _ruben | several ways to accomplish that .. one would be: sudo chown YOURUSERNAME /usr/local/torrent/acidphyre/ -R | 11:43 |
| _ruben | im not aware of any method to change the homedir for just ftp, afaik it just takes your homedir from /etc/passwd | 11:44 |
| _ruben | you could do smth like : ln -s /usr/local/torrent/acidphyre /home/YOURUSERNAME/torrent .. then after logging in with ftp you can just go into the torrent folder and up in the /usr/local/.... one | 11:44 |
| acidfire2008 | dude u rule | 11:48 |
| acidfire2008 | that was the prob | 11:49 |
| acidfire2008 | i can just point myself to that dir via ftp | 11:49 |
| acidfire2008 | so its all good | 11:49 |
| acidfire2008 | ty so much man | 11:49 |
| acidfire2008 | _ruben there is no way i can point the home folder to /var/cache/torrentflux/ | 12:02 |
| acidfire2008 | ? | 12:02 |
| _ruben | acidfire2008: not that im aware of without diving into the docs | 12:08 |
| _ruben | acidfire2008: well .. one way would be to use virtual users instead of the ones in /etc/passwd .. but that complicates things quite a bit | 12:09 |
| acidfire2008 | Transferred 108 files totaling 1.39 GB in 11 minutes 44 seconds (2.37 MB/s) | 12:10 |
| acidfire2008 | nice i had 4 threads at that speed | 12:10 |
| acidfire2008 | ohh wow | 12:11 |
| acidfire2008 | so to make new user accounts on the ftp i can use any of the user accounts on ubuntu i got setup? | 12:11 |
| _ruben | by default pure-ftpd uses the pam database, so each user on the machine will have ftp access | 12:23 |
| acidfire2008 | thats bad ass | 12:25 |
| acidfire2008 | so that file thing u had me set i gotta set for every user then? | 12:25 |
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| mok0 | Is there a way to see if the current kernel runs in tickless mode? | 12:33 |
| sommer | mok0: you can find the kernel options in /boot/config-kernel-number | 12:39 |
| mok0 | sommer: thx | 12:39 |
| sommer | mok0: I'm not sure which ones have to do with ticks though, np | 12:39 |
| mok0 | If it has "CONFIG_NO_NZ=y" it is tickless... | 12:40 |
| mok0 | s/NZ/HZ/ | 12:40 |
| zul | morning | 12:41 |
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| acidfire2008 | _ruben u around? | 15:11 |
| acidfire2008 | anyone else around/ | 15:12 |
| acidfire2008 | ? | 15:12 |
| soren | Just ask your question. | 15:13 |
| acidfire2008 | sudo chown creative /var/cache/torrentflux/creative -R | 15:14 |
| acidfire2008 | well i did that and now i need to undo it | 15:14 |
| acidfire2008 | i need to be able to write to that dir | 15:14 |
| acidfire2008 | but when i did that command now torrentflux cant write to the directory | 15:15 |
| Gargoyle | acidfire2008: set the group to one torrentflux can see and give group write permissions | 15:24 |
| acidfire2008 | i just set 777 on the dir | 15:26 |
| acidfire2008 | it worked | 15:26 |
| Gargoyle | acidfire2008: that gives everyone read/write and execute permissions | 15:34 |
| acidfire2008 | its only me on the dir | 15:35 |
| acidfire2008 | so its no biggy | 15:35 |
| acidfire2008 | i mean its only me on the pc | 15:35 |
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| RainCT | Hi | 18:10 |
| sommer | hello | 18:15 |
| sommer | can you point an mx and an A record with the same name to two different IPs? | 18:40 |
| sommer | without it causing problems that is... seems to me like it would :) | 18:40 |
| Nicke_ | sommer: sure, no problem. However, the MX should point to a hostname, not an IP | 18:43 |
| sommer | Nicke_: gotcha | 18:44 |
| Nicke_ | I think it's pretty common to have a separate server handling the mails for a domain | 18:44 |
| sommer | I'm working on setting up mailman, but want the emails sent through a gateway | 18:45 |
| sommer | Nicke_: what if it's a subdomain (lists.example.com) | 18:45 |
| sommer | for example | 18:45 |
| Nicke_ | sommer: shouldn't matter | 18:45 |
| sommer | Nicke_: cool, thx | 18:45 |
| Nicke_ | (although my experiences with mailman is pretty limited) | 18:45 |
| Nicke_ | are* | 18:46 |
| sommer | Nicke_: so all I need is an MX lists.example.com pointing to another hosts? | 18:46 |
| sommer | basically | 18:46 |
| Nicke_ | yeah.. like lists.domain.tld IN MX 10 mail.domain.tld | 18:48 |
| zul | or you could setup a smarthost in the postfix or email server to send all the email to you email server | 18:48 |
| Nicke_ | mail.domain.tld IN A 192.xxxx | 18:48 |
| sommer | zul: ya... that's what I'm wanting | 18:49 |
| sommer | but how do outside domains know to send through my "normal" mail server? | 18:50 |
| sommer | I think I'm confused about the subdomain part | 18:50 |
| zul | through the mx record so if you have mail.domain.com all email from lists.domain.com will be sent from mail.domain.com | 18:51 |
| zul | and your mail server should know where to deliver the email to the local users | 18:51 |
| sommer | zul: sure I understand that part, but if gmail sends a message to user@lists.domain.com it'll know to go through mail.domain.com? | 18:52 |
| zul | it should | 18:53 |
| sommer | that is without receiving one first | 18:53 |
| sommer | ah... just needed to check the logs it is working, thanks zul and Nicke_ | 18:55 |
| Nicke_ | np : ) | 18:55 |
| zul | no worries | 18:55 |
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| nxvl_work | isn't going to be Server Meeting on half an hour? | 19:37 |
| zul | wednesday | 19:37 |
| nxvl_work | oh right | 19:37 |
| nxvl_work | it is tomorrow | 19:37 |
| zul | the day and time has been switched so more people can come | 19:37 |
| nxvl_work | yes, i knew it, but i don't know why i put it for today on my calendar | 19:38 |
| nxvl_work | sometime it happends | 19:38 |
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| nealmcb | soren: is anyone from ebox coming tomorrow? | 20:52 |
| nealmcb | reminder: server team meeting a day from now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 20:53 |
| dantalizing | why cant i create a debootstrap for hardy? | 20:56 |
| ScottK | dantalizing: Are you on Gutsy? | 20:57 |
| dantalizing | scottk: yes | 20:58 |
| ScottK | dantalizing: Get the version from gutsy-backports and then you'll be fine. | 20:58 |
| dantalizing | hmm...thought i had that enabled...thx i will check it out | 20:58 |
| ScottK | It worked last time I tried anyway. | 20:59 |
| dantalizing | scottk: you used debootstrap? | 21:01 |
| dantalizing | scottk: nevermind, its working...thx | 21:01 |
| jetole | hey guys, I know this isn't ubuntu specific but I am looking for a remote kvm/ip interface, a card that I can stick into the computer and will allow me to access not only kvm but also remote media etc so I can even install an OS in a machine that is in a rack elsewhere | 21:37 |
| jetole | I was wondering if anyone could recommend something | 21:37 |
| kraut | jetole: look for peppercon cards | 21:49 |
| kraut | eric II for example | 21:49 |
| jetole | kraut: thanks | 21:54 |
| sommer | is it correct to say that do-release-upgrade recommended over apt-get dist-upgrade ? | 22:01 |
| kraut | sommer: or aptitude | 22:02 |
| nealmcb | sommer: I've heard that do-release-upgrade is better also | 22:03 |
| sommer | cool, just wanted to make sure | 22:03 |
| * jetole prefers apt-get | 22:04 | |
| kraut | indeed, but aptitude is more intelligent to solve conflicts | 22:05 |
| nealmcb | but I would love to see some details on the differences, with examples from real upgrades. I mainly heard about apt-get problems during upgrades to edgy | 22:16 |
| nealmcb | and with the uncharted territory of upgrading to hardy from dapper looming around the corner, this is a good time to start focusing on that... | 22:16 |
| corporeal | hello, i have a question about postgresql installation | 22:18 |
| corporeal | i did an apt-get instlal postgresql-8.2 | 22:18 |
| corporeal | but the service wont start | 22:19 |
| corporeal | there arent even any logs | 22:19 |
| corporeal | what am i doing wrong? | 22:19 |
| LeChacal | hello, any one know what file system abbreviation to use in the mount command for a partition that fdisk marks as 'Linux raid autodectect', or just how to access this partition so that i can get files off of it. The drive came out of an old Gentoo web server that only had one drive in it so I don't know how it did RAID. | 22:20 |
| mok0 | corporeal: what do you mean, it wont start? | 22:35 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: IIRC, apt-get dist-upgrade cannot do stuff like remove a package during the upgrade. | 22:35 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: for example, evms has to be removed when upgrading to gutsy (IIRC) - that cannot be done with a dist-upgrade | 22:36 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: do-release-upgrade is made for that kind of one-time things to do | 22:36 |
| mok0 | corporeal: if you want help, you need to specify | 22:40 |
| corporeal | i figured it out | 22:52 |
| nealmcb | mathiaz: ahh - that helps! Will evms cause problems if it isn't removed? Should we disable or add caveats to apt-get dist-upgrade? | 23:44 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: yes. you cannot start if you don't remove evms | 23:45 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: I ran into that situation. | 23:45 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: but it's just an example. the release-upgrader does other things (mainly on the desktop for now) | 23:46 |
| mathiaz | nealmcb: That's why the supported way to upgrade a server is to use do-release-upgrade | 23:46 |
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