[01:08] XiXaQ: i'll look at the link when i can [01:18] installer is telling me "you need at least 3.2 gig" - (the desktop requirement) [01:19] but, isn't the limit set in initrd.gz, which is the same for both desktop and server ? [01:21] 3.2gig for an install? [01:22] right [01:23] I have a 450mb partition I want to install to. [01:23] bloated a bit since the 1.8gb days :\ [01:28] CarlFK: is this a server install? gutsy? [01:29] I think we've seen some installs at about 500 MB [01:29] nijaba did the tests IIRC [01:30] nealmcb: gutsy, server [01:37] nealmcb: but, I am doing a net install, and that uses the same initrd.gz as the alternate cd (that's what I was told) [01:37] i am guessing server has its own initrd [03:15] does anyone else consider update-alternatives refusing to run with only one option a bug? [03:17] ah thats got it [03:20] for the logs, i needed to `sudo update-alternatives --auto x-www-browser` [03:20] then i could `sudo update-alternatives --verbose --config x-www-browser` [04:34] CarlFK: what exactly are you seeing, at what point in the install? when I've run into installer problems with space, it was very different (desktop install), and I don't know what would be in initrd.gz that had to do with this [04:35] XiXaQ: is there a bug or other official request to package calendar server? seems like a good idea. [04:37] XiXaQ: do you know what userid the server runs as on macos? [04:37] nealmcb, yes. [04:37] no. [04:37] 42 [04:37] :-) [04:38] I'll call it caldavd in the wiki. [04:38] 6x9 [04:39] XiXaQ: a link to the request to package would be a nice addition to the page. [04:39] that it would. I'll see to it. Thanks. [04:40] I took out the reference about "should run on desktop" because that seems true to me about everything, and saying it could lead to confusion about other server apps on ubuntu [04:40] can you give me the link again? [04:40] information about feisty, dapper etc would of course be handy [04:41] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CalendarServer [04:41] thanks [04:41] * kgoetz will be trying it out on dapper probably [04:41] excellent [04:42] I started following calendar stuff a bit at the ietf back in the mid '90's and it has been a real slog.... [04:43] so is the apple thing open source/free software? [04:43] I also wonder how how emailing appointments fits in to all this [04:43] apache 2 license [04:43] no probs [04:43] nealmcb: boot into the installer, it detects disks, givs me partition options, like "shrink", "use largest space", "use whole disk", II pick "Manual" and it displays a dialog "you need at least 3.2 gig" - which was kinda surprising, given I hadn't picked the 450mb partition yet [04:43] when i looked ~12 months ago at calendaring everything i could find was a monolithic blob or proprietary [04:44] nealmcb, it isn't necessarily so. You need to install some packages for that software to run. If it isn't present, then the scripts will fail. I'm not 100% sure the desktop variants include it all. [04:44] CarlFK: you said the net installer? from which cd or location? [04:44] nealmcb: initrd.gz is the only file I can think of that would contain the setting for how much space is needed. [04:45] http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/386/ubuntu-installer/i386/ [04:45] XiXaQ: the packages are all available to both server and desktop, so it just requires being specific about all the necessary packages [04:46] nealmcb, yes, and that would require additional work on the wiki, or at least testing. [04:46] nealmcb, I have tested using server 7.10, but not with desktop. [04:46] so I don't _know_ that it works, even though, as the wiki sais, is should. [04:47] XiXaQ: considering teh disclaimer at the top, i think it only sort-of-working is ok ;) [04:48] the disclaimer is temporary. [04:48] "Installing Apple's iCal Server is fairly trivial once you know what to do" jee thanks :p [04:48] XiXaQ: got it - perhaps a jeos build would uncover everything that could be missing - or are there things in jeos that are not in desktop? [04:48] kgoetz, try finding a good howto else where :) [04:49] we had to follow quite a number of blogs and forum posts to get it running. [04:49] * nealmcb cheers for perseverance! [04:49] nealmcb, I seriously doubt that. Owl is installing it on jeos I think. [04:49] XiXaQ: no, i'll fix anything i find wrong :p [04:50] oh, and I meant owh :) [04:52] mmm. i'm wondering if i should 'correct' it to not recomend using sudo -s [04:52] * nealmcb nods [04:53] hmm? [04:53] why? [04:53] * kgoetz wishes broke the pages into sections like mediawiki [04:54] advantages of using sudo on each line are for clarity, for preserving shell history across both sudo and non-sudo lines, preserving history of what was done in /var/log/auth.log(?), avoiding dangerous other commands, etc [04:54] sudo -s is ok when you have alot of commands to issue as part of the same job. [04:55] that was a few good points. [04:55] sudo -s uses the non-root users environment, which can lead to Bad Things [04:55] I'll fix that then. [04:55] * kgoetz tries to work out what user_xattr does [04:56] kgoetz: surprising - what env diffs are there for sudo -s and regular sudo? [04:57] nealmcb: not sure - you need -i to get a 'full' root shell [04:57] kgoetz: I think su -i would be even worse [04:57] but does get the full root environment [04:57] sudo addgroup caldavd; sudo adduser --system caldavd --ingroup caldavd <-- Is that the right way to do it, or can I do it in one command? [04:57] but that shouldn't matter for these commands [04:58] adduser should make a gropu at the same time === peanutb_ is now known as peanutb [04:58] kgoetz, sudo adduser --system username? [04:58] i'm wondering if you think doing the svn checkout to ~, then svn export >/opt/calendar would be better? the only advantage to checkout in /opt/ is for posable updates [04:58] hi, i'm having trouble getting vnc set up on ubuntu server 6.06, could anyone shed some light? [04:59] XiXaQ: should work [05:00] kgoetz, no, that'll cause it to be placed in nogroup. [05:01] By default, system users are placed in the nogroup group. To place the new system user in an already existing [05:01] group, use the --gid or --ingroup options. To place the new system user in a new group with the same ID, use the [05:01] --group option. [05:01] adduser man page, ~ line 67 [05:03] adduser --system username --group :) [05:03] right :) [05:03] i cant help package (no skills there), but i can go over that wiki page and try and clean/tidy some stuff up if you want [05:06] that's nice. [05:07] I'm connected via ssh. I run sudo -u command & and then I log out. The command will still run in the background, right? [05:07] run it in screen [05:07] -u is user [05:08] -b The -b (background) option tells sudo to run the given command in the background. Note that if you use the [05:08] -b option you cannot use shell job control to manipulate the process. [05:10] yes, I know that. [05:10] I need to run the command in the background as another user. [05:10] * kgoetz waits to load wiki edit page [05:11] try -u user -b [05:11] or screen sudo -u fred -b command [05:15] ok, what's the difference from using &? [05:16] & will probably background your sudo not the command itself [05:17] ok. [05:17] XiXaQ: you done editing the ubuntu wiki? its got a lock open [05:17] no. [05:18] not done? lock expires in 2 minutes. hit 'preview' again is my advice ;) [05:18] there are other problems. It should be changed to have everything in /opt/CalendarServer too. Now it creates a few more subdirectories in /opt [05:19] what sort of subdirectories? [05:21] and why do we enable user_xattr? i cant seem to find anything useful about what it does online [05:24] pydirector-1.0.0.0, vobject and Twisted [05:25] hm. [05:25] i'll have to build it tojjorrow [05:25] cant today, wont be hom e until late [05:25] s/jj/mm [05:25] I've made some changes, so I'll install it and test that it actually works. [05:26] how big is the source checkout? [05:27] 18-20MB [05:28] oh, very sane [05:29] perhaps meantion that size on teh wiki page btw [05:34] * kgoetz finds 'total amount of downloading for this projhect is 42343mb' quite helpful [05:35] : [05:35] :) [05:36] (esp on dialup/shaped adsl/satalite) [05:38] noted. [05:38] XiXaQ: theres no lock on the wiki now - do i take it you stopped editing? [05:39] for the time being. I'm installing Hardy server to test that it actually works. [05:39] cause I know that if it works in hardy, then it works in 7.10 too. [05:40] * kgoetz checks updated version, and might make some edits [05:42] i'm wondering if the filesystem remount will work, because of existing attached processes [05:43] hmm? [05:43] I have tested that setup with 7.10 server. [05:44] mount -o remount /home/ [05:44] s#/home/#/# [05:44] but are you sure the filesystem change applied? [05:45] XiXaQ: offhand I'd think the svn checkout would be better as non-root in a different (user?) directory, but I'm only glancing at the emailed diffs :-) [05:46] nealmcb, you're right about that, though I don't think it matters a great deal. Noted though. :) [05:47] but thanks for the sudo changes and user admin updates! [05:49] Most users will be familiar with apt-get, many with subversion <- probalby need to change this, btw [05:54] download some necessary packages <- and this (what necesary packages?) [05:54] why arnt they installed alreayd? :) [05:54] hmm? [05:55] the packages are listed there. [05:55] they're not already installed because we didn't need them until now. [06:00] thats probably all i can do until i get a chance to build it myself and find out the details of the build/install process [06:04] kgoetz: nice - thanks [06:06] yey. I'll just take a snapshot of the image, and then installation on hardy server can begin :) [06:06] nealmcb: np ;) getting docs 'more or less' right i'm good at, its making them submitable is my failing ;) [06:31] * kgoetz sets up chroot to try in [06:32] did you have an edit window open while I was editing? [06:32] i started editing, when i asked and you said you stopped -- if you started editing again while i was then perhaps yes [06:33] are you editing right now? python-pyxattr instead of python-xattr (in the apt-get install bit) [06:34] and i cant find python-dateutil or *dateutil* at all in apt [06:35] what version? [06:35] 7.10 [06:35] I've had no problems with either 7.10 or 8.04 so far. [06:36] hm. svn checkout doesnt need a sudo while its done in /home/ [06:36] server? [06:36] same repositories [06:36] gutsy[-security,-updates] [06:36] ah, universe is missing [06:36] it's not done in home. It's done in /opt, and that should be changed. [06:36] grrr. *mustnt have saved right* [06:37] i changed it [06:37] please don't change the packages?=! [06:38] we spent quite some time figuring out what was needed. [06:38] pardon? [06:38] have you changed the packages for install on the wiki? [06:38] nope. just the formatting [06:39] are you editing right now? python-pyxattr instead of python-xattr (in the apt-get install bit) <-- What does that mean? [06:39] i couldnt find python-xattr (its in universe, which wasnt enabled for some reason) [06:39] I have to test one thing. I can't test alot of different setups at the same time. I know the packages that were there before works. [06:39] but it appeared after enabling universe :) [06:40] you didn't change the package installation? Someone has. [06:40] what about it? [06:40] the formatting? [06:41] I don't know,. [06:42] I'll have to read all the changes I've received in the mail to make sure all the packages are still the same, unless someone can confirm that they are. [06:42] it's abit difficult to test an assumption when the assumption is changed while you're performing the test.. [06:48] XiXaQ: you can just look at the wiki history online [06:49] * kgoetz logs out of caltry1 chroot and leaves it alone [06:49] the reason there were two different apt-get commands to begin with, was that someone said that was necessary in a blog, but it should'nt be, so I was about to merge them into a single apt-get command, when there was suddenly three of them. [06:50] nealmcb, no, I'll just test with the packages that are there now. [06:59] the guide doesn't work anymore.. :( [07:01] I'll fix it. Please don't make any edits. [07:01] theres probably not-quite-right stuff from my changes. (i spotted a few after i saved) [07:12] heh, like being in the wrong directory and such? :) [07:13] i was going to checkout the svn in a user home, then sudo export it to /opt/wherever - i just didnt put that in right :( so yes, you probably wind up in wierd places [07:27] that's a different installation procedure. [07:41] hello is there any way to minize setting of pc2 and pc3? like i will not put my isp's dns? pc1 is my server and i have no router. pc2 and pc3 can connect to the internet with assigned ip,gateway,subnet and dns of my isp..how to minimize this without setting my isp's dns? i dont want to expose my dns to the public... [07:47] hi XiXaQ [07:47] owh, hey :) [07:48] I've been looking at the latest wiki changes, but I have to say that they're making it more and more complicated. [07:48] I mean, svn to your home directory, then move it to /opt. WTF? [07:48] The notion of making each command a sudo makes no sense to me either. [07:48] yes, and it doesn't work anymore. [07:49] I am in favour of reverting it to NealMc mumble's revision. [07:49] is there a way to revert to an older version? [07:49] :) [07:49] Yup, I'm in favour of going back to #36, click on "Info" at the top. [07:50] You should also put a note near the bottom of the text entry field (there's a separate field for it) indicating the nature of the edit. [07:50] You can also see difs. [07:50] +f [07:52] I think the edit from KarlG didn't help the issue. There was a reason we had them as two lists! [07:52] Hey, kgoetz, you're in here, excellent. [07:53] kgoetz: What were you trying to achieve with your edit of the CalendarServer wiki page, revision #41? [07:54] * XiXaQ reverts it to #36 [07:54] let's just hope it's the guide that's faulty and not the svn version that's become incompatible. [07:54] XiXaQ: Actually, #37 is fine, that's before we started the silly sudo stuff :) [07:55] it's done. :) [07:55] Cool, so how did you figure out that it broke? [07:56] I've installed it three times the last two hours. [07:57] So what happened? [07:57] missing files, unknown commands... [07:57] Did you change any steps? [07:57] I'm making a second attempt with #36 now, so we'll know in a little while if it's the svn version of the guide. [07:58] yes, quite a few. [07:58] XiXaQ: Uh, but it was working right? [07:58] I'm just trying to understand why you would change steps if the procedure was working. [07:59] some of them are really necessary, such as giving it its own user. [07:59] XiXaQ: Yeah, but that's after the install succeeds right? [07:59] the problem is that the guide was changed while I was testing if it was working or not, so I can't say for sure. [07:59] well, that's part of the install. It's the last step. [08:00] XiXaQ: So, the missing files happened when? [08:00] no, you're right. run -s succeeds. It's when it's run that the problems occur. [08:00] when running it. [08:00] but as I said, I'm installing from scratch now, so we'll know shortly. [08:01] So, this might just turn out to be a permissions issue, which wouldn't surprise me. [08:01] though it's my turn to have problems with my connections. :) [08:01] no, I made sure they were set correctly. [08:02] XiXaQ: Hey, hate to bail, but I *have* to go. [08:02] Email me if you need to. [08:02] that's ok. :) [08:02] later [08:02] yup. [08:02] see you later. === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:30] is there an easy way to remove all the not-needed graphics software from a server? [09:43] huh? [09:44] there is no graphics software in the server install. [10:06] c [10:08] is there an easy way to remove all graphics oriented software from a server? [10:09] what? [10:09] there is none. [10:09] have you manually installed such software? [10:11] yes, its a workstation converted to a server [10:12] <_ruben> yuck [10:12] <_ruben> i'd suggest a clean install .. tho uninstalling the X server *should* take most of the graphical crap with it [10:13] _ruben: yeah I guess [10:13] mok0, server uses a different kernel. [10:13] <_ruben> and you could always audit the output of dpkg -l by hand [10:13] XiXaQ: didn't know that [10:13] <_ruben> kernel is easy to replace [10:14] is's PAE-enabled, and it's tickless. [10:14] XiXaQ: cool [10:14] XiXaQ: is that on the alternate CD? [10:14] <_ruben> then again, clean install sure is the cleanest (duh) way to do so [10:14] it's on the server cd or the dvd. [10:14] XiXaQ: ok, thx [10:15] _ruben: yeah but I've already spent a lot of time configuring t he box [10:15] XiXaQ: what's the package name of the server kernel? [10:15] <_ruben> linux-server [10:15] duh [10:16] :) [10:16] <_ruben> linux-generic is the default for desktop [10:16] mok0, I don't know if you're aware of this, but the server install has quite a few helpful tasks. [10:16] <_ruben> linux-386 for when you have an ancient/odd/whatever cpu [10:17] _ruben: It's a Pentium III [10:17] <_ruben> -generic and -server should work fine on those afaik [10:17] <_ruben> i use -386 on a via c3 cpu .. which lacks some instructions making the -server kernel unusable [10:18] _ruben: ah, I've never actually talked to someone who uses a via cpu [10:19] Pentium III is i686 [10:19] XiXaQ: What tasks are you referring to? [10:20] <_ruben> LAMP/Print server/etc [10:20] _ruben: very nice. [10:20] I just need it for kerberos and ldap [10:21] mok0, mailserver, lamp, ldap, postgresql, etc. [10:21] dns. [10:21] hehe, actually, there is no ldap and kerberos tasks. At least not in 7.10 [10:22] XiXaQ: hmmm. very convincing... but I should be able to manually select that set of packages, right? [10:22] yes. [10:23] XiXaQ: I was just wondering whether there existed a meta package, like gnome-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, that converts Ubuntu to Kubuntu and vice versa. [10:24] XiXaQ: For example, a server-install package, that has dependencies and conflicts etc. [10:24] I don't understand the question. Yes, there are packages for ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop, etc. [10:24] XiXaQ: A package that converts a workstation to a server [10:25] XiXaQ: By conflicting with X-windows etc [10:25] no, that'd be very surprising, since almost all software would have to be replaced. [10:25] XiXaQ: heh, I understand [10:25] it'd be faster to simply reinstall from a server cd. [10:26] XiXaQ: Hm, I am almost convinced... [10:26] alot less work too. [10:26] <_ruben> and some ppl do want X on their server (yuck!), so a server package that would prevent X would be bad (for some ppl) [10:26] _ruben, why are you opposed to having X on a server? [10:27] <_ruben> XiXaQ: X isnt a very secure thing, and all configs can be done via commandline .. and there's always remote X, which only requires a few X libs instead of a complete resource hogging X server [10:28] <_ruben> resources and security being the main issues here [10:28] _ruben: I agree [10:28] <_ruben> and servers also tend to run headless [10:28] <_ruben> rendering X even more usless [10:28] <_ruben> useless [10:29] _ruben: that's what I did to this box... took of monitor, mouse and keyboard and put it in the server room [10:29] s/of/off [10:29] I run several small server setups with mailserver, lamp and nx. Xorg is installed, but isn't running. That's fine. [10:30] XiXaQ: yes it is [10:30] XiXaQ: But then you may as well uninstall it :-) [10:30] why? [10:30] XiXaQ: disk space? [10:30] the applications I use depend on it. [10:30] XiXaQ: ok [10:31] Ah, btw, what is the run level that doesnt start X? [10:31] <_ruben> i think 3, for X it is 5 .. but i aint sure [10:32] _ruben: Ubuntu normally runs at 2 [10:32] _ruben: what you say is true for RedHat systems [10:33] <_ruben> arent runlevels deprecated since 'upstart' ? havent looked into that that much, i come from a suse environment, only started experimented with ubuntu recently [10:35] _ruben: I don't know [10:37] <_ruben> mok0: never really looked into the runlevels/sysv init stuff [10:37] Quick Google search: "Run levels 2 through 5 are full multi-user mode and are the same in a default User Linux (Debian) system. It is a common practice in other Linux distributions to use run level 3 for a text console login and run level 5 for a graphical login." [10:38] <_ruben> debian (stable) doesnt use upstart (yet) afaik [10:39] Never heard of upstart [10:41] <_ruben> its ubuntu's replacement of init [10:41] _ruben: ah, the venerable init [10:41] <_ruben> upstart sure looks like a nice project [10:42] http://upstart.ubuntu.com :-) [10:42] <_ruben> more or less combines init and daemontools (by dj bernstein, qmail author) [10:42] looks pretty cool [10:43] <_ruben> yeah [10:43] wouldn't hurt getting a faster boot... [10:43] <_ruben> ubuntu-server boots pretty darn fast i'd say [10:44] heh, I just run my server 24/7 so i don't mind :D [10:44] <_ruben> JeOS is probably even fast (Just Enough OS, even more stripped down version of ubuntu-server, designed for virtualization and such) [10:44] <_ruben> jords: during deployments (of the server), a fast boot cycle is a pro :) [10:45] _ruben: is jeos tickless as well? [10:45] <_ruben> jords: and i doubt you upgrade your kernel without rebooting [10:45] mok0: Well, you can use kubuntu-desktop to *convert* from an Ubuntu desktop to a Kubuntu one. You just *add* all the KDE stuff. You don't remove the GNOME stuff. [10:45] <_ruben> mok0: wouldnt know, have only heard about it in this channel a bit, havent looked into it myself [10:45] mok0: likewise, there's no meta-package for ubuntu-server, as it doesn't add anything that's not in the desktop install. It just doesn't include all the graphical stuff. [10:46] mok0: Also, removing the x server will not do you much good. [10:46] <_ruben> might look into jeos once i get some spare time investigating some virtualization opportunities [10:46] mok0: No graphical applications I can think of depend on the presence of an X server. [10:46] soren: ok, I was looking for a package that would remove all non-server related stuff [10:47] <_ruben> soren: hmm .. indeed, thought too simple on that one .. i even suggested the remote X possibility myself :p [10:47] mok0: No such package exists, no. [10:47] mok0: You can remove libx11, for instance. [10:48] mok0: That will likely remove most of the stuff you don't want. [10:48] soren: I can try it, no harm done :-) [10:48] mok0: Possibly followed by an apt-get autoclean. [10:49] aptitude is now working on it... [10:50] _ruben: that's true. Hot-puggable kernels is a bit of a stretch [10:50] Yes, the -virtual kernel image (used by Jeos) is also tickless. [10:51] <_ruben> what exactly does this 'tickless' mean/impose? [10:51] ... from the list of files, it seems removing libx11-6 does pretty much what I want... aptitude still working... [10:53] mok0: The problem is that it will only remove libraries and binaries. Not the variuos -common packages, for instance. [10:53] _ruben: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/022807-kernel.html [10:54] soren: it has around 30 packages left unresolved, mostly data packages that recommend other ones [10:54] mok0: autoclean? [10:55] soren: hang on... [10:55] soren: It's going to free 1663Mb [10:56] what does {a} and {u} mean in the package names? [10:58] <_ruben> soren: interesting read [10:58] soren: it needs to remove 625 packages, it will take probably 10 minutes [11:01] mok0: re: "{a} and {u}"... I have no clue. [11:01] soren: it's an aptitude thing I think [11:01] _ruben u around [11:01] <_ruben> acidfire2008: more or less [11:01] mok0: I think so, too. Otherwise, I probably would have known :) [11:01] u remember us talking the other night about pure-ftpd? [11:01] ... " libxpm4{a} libxrandr2{a} libxrender1{a} .." [11:02] mok0: Perhaps "automatically installed (as a dependency)" ? [11:02] <_ruben> acidfire2008: i dont recall your nick, but do recall some pure-ftpd stuff [11:02] well u showed me how to set port etc on it [11:02] soren: yeah that's probably it... "auto" and "user" [11:02] i saved where to allow fxp [11:02] mok0: Makes sense. [11:02] but cnat remember how to change port haha [11:02] remember we had to add a file in the conf directory [11:03] <_ruben> acidfire2008: Bind was the filename iirc [11:03] thats right or something like that [11:03] how did u do that command with echo? [11:03] <_ruben> echo ",PORTNUMBER" | tee /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind ... the path might be slightly off, doing this from top of my head [11:04] <_ruben> oops [11:04] <_ruben> echo ",PORTNUMBER" | sudo tee /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/Bind ... the path might be slightly off, doing this from top of my head [11:04] * mok0 goes off to get a cup of coffee [11:04] * _ruben goes off for lunch [11:04] ty [11:08] all day i could not remember that [11:08] and he comes online and bam its fixed in 2 mins [11:18] _ruben when u get back plez let me know i got one more ? to ask u [11:39] <_ruben> back [11:40] k im looking into being able to change permission [11:40] i cant write or delete etc to a folder [11:40] but i can on my home folder [11:41] <_ruben> probably not pure-ftpd related, just standard file permissions [11:41] k [11:41] then how can i set that? [11:41] ./usr/local/torrent/acidphyre/ [11:42] like i would like to be able to edit that directory [11:42] its a directory [11:42] not file btw [11:42] do i can upload to that directory [11:42] so* [11:42] and woudl u possible nkow how i could change my home directory when i login? [11:43] im making note of all this so i wont ever have to ask again [11:43] sorry to bother u man [11:43] <_ruben> several ways to accomplish that .. one would be: sudo chown YOURUSERNAME /usr/local/torrent/acidphyre/ -R [11:44] <_ruben> im not aware of any method to change the homedir for just ftp, afaik it just takes your homedir from /etc/passwd [11:44] <_ruben> you could do smth like : ln -s /usr/local/torrent/acidphyre /home/YOURUSERNAME/torrent .. then after logging in with ftp you can just go into the torrent folder and up in the /usr/local/.... one [11:48] dude u rule [11:49] that was the prob [11:49] i can just point myself to that dir via ftp [11:49] so its all good [11:49] ty so much man [12:02] _ruben there is no way i can point the home folder to /var/cache/torrentflux/ [12:02] ? [12:08] <_ruben> acidfire2008: not that im aware of without diving into the docs [12:09] <_ruben> acidfire2008: well .. one way would be to use virtual users instead of the ones in /etc/passwd .. but that complicates things quite a bit [12:10] Transferred 108 files totaling 1.39 GB in 11 minutes 44 seconds (2.37 MB/s) [12:10] nice i had 4 threads at that speed [12:11] ohh wow [12:11] so to make new user accounts on the ftp i can use any of the user accounts on ubuntu i got setup? [12:23] <_ruben> by default pure-ftpd uses the pam database, so each user on the machine will have ftp access [12:25] thats bad ass [12:25] so that file thing u had me set i gotta set for every user then? === ScottK-confused is now known as ScottK [12:33] Is there a way to see if the current kernel runs in tickless mode? [12:39] mok0: you can find the kernel options in /boot/config-kernel-number [12:39] sommer: thx [12:39] mok0: I'm not sure which ones have to do with ticks though, np [12:40] If it has "CONFIG_NO_NZ=y" it is tickless... [12:40] s/NZ/HZ/ [12:41] morning === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === mdz_ is now known as mdz [15:11] _ruben u around? [15:12] anyone else around/ [15:12] ? [15:13] Just ask your question. [15:14] sudo chown creative /var/cache/torrentflux/creative -R [15:14] well i did that and now i need to undo it [15:14] i need to be able to write to that dir [15:15] but when i did that command now torrentflux cant write to the directory [15:24] acidfire2008: set the group to one torrentflux can see and give group write permissions [15:26] i just set 777 on the dir [15:26] it worked [15:34] acidfire2008: that gives everyone read/write and execute permissions [15:35] its only me on the dir [15:35] so its no biggy [15:35] i mean its only me on the pc === \sh is now known as \sh_away === dantalizing_ is now known as dantalizing === \sh_away is now known as \sh [18:10] Hi [18:15] hello [18:40] can you point an mx and an A record with the same name to two different IPs? [18:40] without it causing problems that is... seems to me like it would :) [18:43] sommer: sure, no problem. However, the MX should point to a hostname, not an IP [18:44] Nicke_: gotcha [18:44] I think it's pretty common to have a separate server handling the mails for a domain [18:45] I'm working on setting up mailman, but want the emails sent through a gateway [18:45] Nicke_: what if it's a subdomain (lists.example.com) [18:45] for example [18:45] sommer: shouldn't matter [18:45] Nicke_: cool, thx [18:45] (although my experiences with mailman is pretty limited) [18:46] are* [18:46] Nicke_: so all I need is an MX lists.example.com pointing to another hosts? [18:46] basically [18:48] yeah.. like lists.domain.tld IN MX 10 mail.domain.tld [18:48] or you could setup a smarthost in the postfix or email server to send all the email to you email server [18:48] mail.domain.tld IN A 192.xxxx [18:49] zul: ya... that's what I'm wanting [18:50] but how do outside domains know to send through my "normal" mail server? [18:50] I think I'm confused about the subdomain part [18:51] through the mx record so if you have mail.domain.com all email from lists.domain.com will be sent from mail.domain.com [18:51] and your mail server should know where to deliver the email to the local users [18:52] zul: sure I understand that part, but if gmail sends a message to user@lists.domain.com it'll know to go through mail.domain.com? [18:53] it should [18:53] that is without receiving one first [18:55] ah... just needed to check the logs it is working, thanks zul and Nicke_ [18:55] np : ) [18:55] no worries === stickystyle is now known as stickystyle|Away === macd_ is now known as macd === Nafallo_ is now known as Nafallo [19:37] isn't going to be Server Meeting on half an hour? [19:37] wednesday [19:37] oh right [19:37] it is tomorrow [19:37] the day and time has been switched so more people can come [19:38] yes, i knew it, but i don't know why i put it for today on my calendar [19:38] sometime it happends === ScottK-confused is now known as ScottK [20:52] soren: is anyone from ebox coming tomorrow? [20:53] reminder: server team meeting a day from now: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [20:56] why cant i create a debootstrap for hardy? [20:57] dantalizing: Are you on Gutsy? [20:58] scottk: yes [20:58] dantalizing: Get the version from gutsy-backports and then you'll be fine. [20:58] hmm...thought i had that enabled...thx i will check it out [20:59] It worked last time I tried anyway. [21:01] scottk: you used debootstrap? [21:01] scottk: nevermind, its working...thx [21:37] hey guys, I know this isn't ubuntu specific but I am looking for a remote kvm/ip interface, a card that I can stick into the computer and will allow me to access not only kvm but also remote media etc so I can even install an OS in a machine that is in a rack elsewhere [21:37] I was wondering if anyone could recommend something [21:49] jetole: look for peppercon cards [21:49] eric II for example [21:54] kraut: thanks [22:01] is it correct to say that do-release-upgrade recommended over apt-get dist-upgrade ? [22:02] sommer: or aptitude [22:03] sommer: I've heard that do-release-upgrade is better also [22:03] cool, just wanted to make sure [22:04] * jetole prefers apt-get [22:05] indeed, but aptitude is more intelligent to solve conflicts [22:16] but I would love to see some details on the differences, with examples from real upgrades. I mainly heard about apt-get problems during upgrades to edgy [22:16] and with the uncharted territory of upgrading to hardy from dapper looming around the corner, this is a good time to start focusing on that... [22:18] hello, i have a question about postgresql installation [22:18] i did an apt-get instlal postgresql-8.2 [22:19] but the service wont start [22:19] there arent even any logs [22:19] what am i doing wrong? [22:20] hello, any one know what file system abbreviation to use in the mount command for a partition that fdisk marks as 'Linux raid autodectect', or just how to access this partition so that i can get files off of it. The drive came out of an old Gentoo web server that only had one drive in it so I don't know how it did RAID. [22:35] corporeal: what do you mean, it wont start? [22:35] nealmcb: IIRC, apt-get dist-upgrade cannot do stuff like remove a package during the upgrade. [22:36] nealmcb: for example, evms has to be removed when upgrading to gutsy (IIRC) - that cannot be done with a dist-upgrade [22:36] nealmcb: do-release-upgrade is made for that kind of one-time things to do [22:40] corporeal: if you want help, you need to specify [22:52] i figured it out [23:44] mathiaz: ahh - that helps! Will evms cause problems if it isn't removed? Should we disable or add caveats to apt-get dist-upgrade? [23:45] nealmcb: yes. you cannot start if you don't remove evms [23:45] nealmcb: I ran into that situation. [23:46] nealmcb: but it's just an example. the release-upgrader does other things (mainly on the desktop for now) [23:46] nealmcb: That's why the supported way to upgrade a server is to use do-release-upgrade