| ryanakca | ScottK: *nods* | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| RinTinTigger | Hey...is someone there? | 00:27 |
| RinTinTigger | I need some help with a "special problem" | 00:28 |
| ryanakca | RinTinTigger: #kubuntu ? | 00:28 |
| RinTinTigger | well i am not sure | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | problem is | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | I have a laptop with cd-drive malfunction | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | and had windows preinstalled | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | and installed Feisty Fawn via Wubi | 00:29 |
| ryanakca | ... and... was it caused by Kubuntu / Did it happen when you put in the CD? | 00:29 |
| ryanakca | ah... Wubi? | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | Yeah | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | Wubi | 00:29 |
| RinTinTigger | now BOTH OS crashed | 00:29 |
| * ryanakca scratches his head and decides this is above him | 00:30 | |
| RinTinTigger | and i cant reinstall | 00:30 |
| RinTinTigger | so i kinda need a way to install ubuntu/lionux via USB-Stick ^^ | 00:30 |
| RinTinTigger | How do i F***CKIN ;) install Linux without a Cd-Drive and network access ? :D | 00:30 |
| ryanakca | you're better off asking that type of question in #ubuntu ... #kubuntu answers that type of question, but it's not as populated. #ubuntu will deal with more generic issues, hardware under Ubuntu, etc. | 00:31 |
| RinTinTigger | ty | 00:31 |
| ryanakca | how? with your godly superpowers :P | 00:31 |
| nixternal | man, I so need to get this audio crap fixed...I just booted into KDE 4 in class and everyone heard the new login sound :) | 00:35 |
| crimsun | /ignore * nixternal ["audio" "sound"] | 00:37 |
| ryanakca | oooh, I like the new "to complete this update you need to reboot your system" message that pops up, telling me my upgrade is done | 00:38 |
| ryanakca | brb, wish me luck, hardy, here I come :) | 00:38 |
| ryanakca | weee :) | 00:50 |
| ryanakca | My KDE session didn't get restored for some reason... but I can live with that :) | 00:50 |
| yuriy | oh this is fun. kde4 just crashed and now the panel won't come up | 00:53 |
| * yuriy says goodbye to his ~/.kde4 | 00:56 | |
| ryanakca | aaaaah! 'kopete' points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kopete ... and kopete-kde4 points to /usr/bin/kopete-kde4 | 00:57 |
| ryanakca | ... and /usr/bin/kopete refuses to start :S | 00:58 |
| yuriy | i know this was being discussed yesterday but.. maybe the user on computer/kubuntu label could go on the top of kickoff? | 00:58 |
| stdin | nixternal: you about? | 00:59 |
| === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve | ||
| ryanakca | hmm... is kopete dead for anybody else? | 01:31 |
| crimsun | 18 | 01:31 |
| crimsun | err, sorry. | 01:31 |
| jjesse_ | evening :) | 01:57 |
| === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse | ||
| Jucato | hi jjesse! | 01:58 |
| jjesse | morning Jucato | 02:00 |
| jjesse | man i love the opening sessions of american idol | 02:00 |
| Jucato | :) | 02:01 |
| bddebian | It's frickin' frightening | 02:02 |
| jjesse | aint it great | 02:02 |
| bddebian | No it makes me ashamed of my species :-) | 02:04 |
| jjesse | makes me ashasmed as well | 02:05 |
| jjesse | i can't believe some of these people | 02:05 |
| jjesse | just started watching | 02:05 |
| jjesse | jes478SE | 02:05 |
| jjesse | man i love to do that | 02:05 |
| jjesse | set password kmj0407 | 02:06 |
| Jucato | O.o | 02:06 |
| jjesse | good lord | 02:06 |
| jjesse | i should quit typing | 02:06 |
| jjesse | changed all of my accounts again :( | 02:07 |
| jjesse | i'm stupid | 02:07 |
| * yuriy found a use for the thumbnail aside effect | 02:15 | |
| jjesse | yay yuriy | 02:15 |
| === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 | ||
| jjesse_ | hrm interseting dropping my network connectin again under linux ;( | 02:36 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| jjesse_ | hrmm | 02:51 |
| jjesse_ | i think everyone fell alseep | 03:09 |
| nixternal | hey, we aren't going to have a #kubuntu and a #kubuntu-kde4 are we? just one channel | 03:09 |
| jjesse_ | nixternal: you are in charge of both :) | 03:09 |
| Hobbsee | the impression tha ti got from teh meeting minutes was that we wer.e | 03:10 |
| nixternal | heck no, trying to put a stop to a separate channel if at all possible | 03:10 |
| nixternal | that is ridiculous | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | well, fix it then, and stop the arguing. *shrug* | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | if you want to take over, then do so. no one's stopping you. | 03:10 |
| * Hobbsee should just resign from the KC | 03:20 | |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: don't you dare! | 03:22 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: why? | 03:22 |
| nixternal | cuz I said so, that's why :p | 03:22 |
| DaSkreech | Yay!!! | 03:22 |
| DaSkreech | I have my ticket | 03:22 |
| tlayton | hey. talking about kde4, if i remove a desktop file when in kde3, shouldn't it also be removed when i go back to kde4? | 03:23 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: so? | 03:23 |
| nixternal | 21:24:51 up 63 days, 4:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 | 03:24 |
| * nixternal thinks it is time for a break | 03:25 | |
| === _czessi is now known as Czessi | ||
| === Sapphire-Tux is now known as Elidix | ||
| manchicken | We've got a babychicken. | 05:59 |
| manchicken | Born on the 15th at 19:46 -0500 | 05:59 |
| Jucato | that's great!! congratulations!! :) | 06:00 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 06:00 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee!!!! | 06:01 |
| Hobbsee | heya Jucato! | 06:01 |
| DaSkreech | Lumaya Jucato ! | 06:04 |
| Jucato | :D | 06:04 |
| ScottK | manchicken: Congratulations. | 06:12 |
| manchicken | Thanks. | 06:16 |
| yuriy | congratulations manchicken!!! | 06:18 |
| manchicken | Baby pics: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=17489305&albumId=1429460 | 06:22 |
| DaSkreech | I have to login to see em? | 06:24 |
| Jucato | I have to register? O.o | 06:24 |
| DaSkreech | seele: Someone is looking for you | 06:32 |
| DaSkreech | seele: _CitizenKane_ in #kde if you see this | 06:45 |
| manchicken | Weird. | 06:48 |
| manchicken | Try going to http://www.myspace.com/manchicken and clicking on "pics" | 06:48 |
| Hobbsee | ew, myspace? | 06:51 |
| Tm_T | stop cursing, little kids are awake | 06:51 |
| DaSkreech | I must be logged into see that | 06:54 |
| Tm_T | hah | 06:54 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken: I guess you have some filter on them | 06:57 |
| * Tm_T doesn't know what is this "myspace" | 06:57 | |
| manchicken | I don't think I do. | 07:00 |
| manchicken | Sorry, myspace is all I can think of to access on this super-anal network. | 07:00 |
| * Hobbsee suggests hosting them on a real site | 07:00 | |
| manchicken | Everything is locked down on this hospital wifi. | 07:01 |
| Tm_T | manchicken: awww, what's the situation there? | 07:01 |
| manchicken | They'll be on manchicken.com once we get home. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | Probably with video. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | But this hospital is locked down. I'm using an HTTP client to IRC right now. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | btw, mibbit.com is sweet. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | meebo.com isn't half bad either. | 07:02 |
| * Hobbsee si surprised the hospital has wifi | 07:03 | |
| manchicken | I was, too. | 07:03 |
| blizzzek | hi | 07:14 |
| nixternal | Belkin KVMs are the suxorz | 08:19 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: I think we should close bug 182288 telling the report to move it to bugs.kde.org that report doesn't report a certain issue, but quite some troubles with ATI stuff | 08:50 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182288 in kdebase-kde4 "blank screen with kwin effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182288 | 08:50 |
| nixternal | apache|mobile: that is because that person doesn't have either a) the correct driver installed, or b) doesn't have the correct driver installed | 09:04 |
| nixternal | I have no problems now with my Radeon and KDE 4 | 09:04 |
| nixternal | holy smokes, 03:07...time flies when you clean up your computer area | 09:07 |
| * nixternal beds | 09:07 | |
| nixternal | g'nite | 09:07 |
| apache|mobile | nixternal: I think it also depends on the chip | 09:15 |
| iRon | i got the same thing (blank screen) with integrated intel video | 09:22 |
| iRon | on my laptop | 09:22 |
| apache|mobile | iRon: works for mine | 09:55 |
| apache|mobile | iRon: can you paste your xorg.conf? | 09:55 |
| * Hobbsee curses blinken | 10:31 | |
| * Hobbsee tries again | 10:31 | |
| * Hobbsee plays with more of kdeedu | 11:04 | |
| iRon | apache|mobile: actualy default one, generated by xserver-xorg: http://pastebin.org/15642 | 11:20 |
| * apache|mobile isn't too surprised that this doesn't work properly | 11:23 | |
| iRon | oh.. i found how to reproduce it.. anyone whants to try? | 11:23 |
| iRon | i think it will fail on any card | 11:23 |
| apache|mobile | cool | 11:24 |
| parthan | anyways of tracing why a "knotify crashed error occurred" ? | 11:26 |
| iRon | 1. Goto System Settings / Desktop Effects: deselect 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox | 11:26 |
| iRon | Apply | 11:26 |
| iRon | 2. Then again select 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox and deselect 'Improved window management' and 'Various animations'... | 11:27 |
| iRon | Leave only selected 'Shadows' | 11:27 |
| iRon | And press Apply.. | 11:27 |
| iRon | You'll get a black screen with mouse cursor | 11:27 |
| iRon | apache|mobile: could you try this? | 11:28 |
| apache|mobile | iRon: only for 5 seconds | 11:29 |
| iRon | apache|mobile: yep, then it returns to prev state.. but if you press 'ctrl-alt-backspace' before this 5 seconds -- then on next login you'll get a black screen. | 11:31 |
| iRon | apache|mobile: or press `enter' | 11:31 |
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| apache|mobile | cool | 11:32 |
| apache|mobile | iRon: upstream bug | 11:32 |
| mhb | hello | 12:38 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears | 12:38 |
| stdin | apachelogger_: there's nothing we can do about that bug either way, it should go upstream (maybe kwin can do better detection of hardware capabilities) | 12:49 |
| stdin | someone says they're still having bug 182077 | 12:52 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077 | 12:52 |
| iRon | stdin: i think there is some logical error in code.. need to check what settings are activated when 'Improved window management' is checked. | 12:53 |
| iRon | stdin: because i could see mouse cursor.. so X doesn't failed | 12:53 |
| iRon | stdin: i think it's just need to enable some variables in code even if only 'Shadows' activated | 12:54 |
| stdin | still should probably go upstream, they know the code better than anyone | 12:55 |
| alleeHol | Hobbsee: you've added to exiv2 quite some conflicts for smooth upgrades. This effectivly disabled having several libexiv2* in parallel. Was this a quick fix? Can't this be solved in a less intrusive way? | 12:59 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| Hobbsee | alleeHol: probably. it was holding back digikam upgrades. | 13:05 |
| smarter | Are we going to package the oxygen cursor theme? | 13:10 |
| mhb | please do (humble request) | 13:11 |
| mhb | it should be packaged separate from KDE anyway (cursors are non-DE-dependent) | 13:12 |
| smarter | shouldn't be too hard to package ;) | 13:16 |
| mhb | nope | 13:17 |
| smarter | It uses inkscape to generate the png, can it uses ksvgtopng? | 13:18 |
| alleeHol | Hobbsee: thx | 13:22 |
| mhb | smarter: hmm, I guess Inkscape is a safer choice. | 13:22 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: no | 13:30 |
| apachelogger_ | can't use ksvgtopng | 13:30 |
| smarter | ok | 13:30 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: btw, you probably will have to write a script to create a snapshot tar.gz | 13:31 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: why should I create a tar.gz? | 13:31 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: how do you want to package it without? | 13:31 |
| smarter | I type make, then cp cursors/* /usr/share/icons and that's it | 13:32 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: _package_ | 13:32 |
| smarter | so I just need to put this in debian/rules | 13:32 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: where do you get the source from? | 13:32 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: git | 13:32 |
| apachelogger_ | so | 13:33 |
| apachelogger_ | you need to create a solution to update the checkout | 13:33 |
| apachelogger_ | hence create a tar.gz | 13:33 |
| apachelogger_ | because only native packages can go without orig.tar.gz | 13:33 |
| smarter | I thought I'll just remove .git and create the tarball | 13:34 |
| smarter | If i make a script, where should I put it? | 13:34 |
| apachelogger_ | in the debian dir | 13:34 |
| smarter | okay | 13:34 |
| apachelogger_ | you can also create a get-orig-source rule in debian/rules, but script is probably easier to do | 13:34 |
| apachelogger_ | just needs to git clone, remove the .git and tar it up | 13:35 |
| * apachelogger_ updates kdeedu | 13:35 | |
| smarter | I'll do that | 13:35 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: cool :) | 13:35 |
| apachelogger_ | stdin: btw, kde4 is missing a dep on kdeedu-kde4 | 13:36 |
| stdin | apachelogger_: kde4 depends on kde4-amusements, which depends on kdeedu-kde4 | 13:37 |
| _StefanS_ | I was just wondering, anyone have the xorg settings for nvidia to enable effects under kde4 ? | 13:38 |
| stdin | _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO | 13:39 |
| apachelogger_ | stdin: ok | 13:39 |
| _StefanS_ | stdin: thanks | 13:39 |
| apachelogger_ | bah | 13:39 |
| * apachelogger_ svn co's kiten | 13:39 | |
| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_ | 13:39 |
| Tonio_ | hey _StefanS_ | 13:40 |
| * apachelogger_ commits fixed icon installation to kiten | 13:42 | |
| _StefanS_ | I wish we could do without xorg.conf, and leave it to autodetect everything... seems unlikely at the moment though | 13:42 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: all in due time | 13:43 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: yes, I sure hope so.. its already been stripped down a bit the past years, but time will tell I guess. | 13:44 |
| _StefanS_ | going kde4... brb. | 13:44 |
| apachelogger_ | stdin: btw, I think we should work on a different configuration solution ... .kde4 isn't precisely a good thing, considering kde 4 is default in hardy | 13:45 |
| apachelogger_ | makes one unbelivable pita | 13:45 |
| apachelogger_ | for upgrading | 13:45 |
| stdin | apachelogger_: the "kde4-*" packages are really just there to replace the kde3 versions "kde-*" | 13:46 |
| stdin | we could/should make a kubuntu specific meta-package | 13:46 |
| apachelogger_ | stdin: nah, I mean for the configuration storage | 13:46 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: is KDE4 even ready to import original .kde3 config files? | 13:46 |
| apachelogger_ | right now it's $HOME/.kde for kde3 and $HOME/.kde4 for kde4 | 13:47 |
| stdin | ahh, right | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | mhb: I don't know | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | honestly I don't care | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | I'm worried about KDE 4 upgrades | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | because | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | if we go with .kde4 for hardy | 13:47 |
| apachelogger_ | we will have to patch KDE until KDE 5 gets out | 13:47 |
| mhb | like we haven't patched KDE3 at all :o) but I see your point | 13:48 |
| apachelogger_ | I think we should patch .kde3 | 13:51 |
| apachelogger_ | maybe add some cp -rf .kde .kde3 when the startkde for KDE4 is initated the first time | 13:52 |
| * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk | 13:52 | |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Are you going to do the regression testing to ensure that doesn't break anything? | 13:54 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: what could this possible break? | 13:59 |
| apachelogger_ | mhb: do you think a migration wizard would be too bloated? :P | 13:59 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: nay | 14:00 |
| apachelogger_ | like blah, a kde3 configuration set has been detected, do you want to reuse it for kde3 applications, dump it or let apps try to migrate them | 14:00 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: wizard's are Riddell's expertise | 14:00 |
| apachelogger_ | hrrhr :D | 14:00 |
| apachelogger_ | +r | 14:00 |
| smarter | and the same for kde3: ".kde contains kde4 configuration, do you want to use .kde3?" | 14:02 |
| apachelogger_ | nah | 14:02 |
| apachelogger_ | we patch kdelibs to use .kde3 for kde3 | 14:02 |
| apachelogger_ | just what we do now for kde4 the other way round | 14:03 |
| apachelogger_ | if a user starts kde3 we just cp -rf to .kde3 | 14:03 |
| Mez | omgwtfbbq. | 14:12 |
| Mez | why do gtk need to have a gboolean type? | 14:12 |
| apachelogger_ | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img045.jpg | 14:13 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: you should give the option to make a backup no matter what is choosen | 14:14 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Are there any KDE3 apps that are hardcoded to look in .kde? If you answer no, then tell me how you know that? | 14:22 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: no, if they do they aren't KDE apps | 14:26 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: Or buggy ones. | 14:26 |
| apachelogger_ | that's the most basic freature of configuration stoarge ;-) | 14:26 |
| ScottK | Yes and it's not unknown for programs to have bugs due to relying on basic things they shouldn't rely on. | 14:27 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: so you think we should test the zillions of KDE software ;-) | 14:27 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: If you're going to move .kde to .kde3, yes. | 14:27 |
| apachelogger_ | cool thing | 14:27 |
| ScottK | KDE3 is your stable foundation for people to do work on, don't take risks with it. | 14:27 |
| * apachelogger_ hereby proposes to remove KDE 3 completely | 14:27 | |
| * ScottK goe and installs opensuse then. | 14:28 | |
| ScottK | BTW, if it's easy to move .kde to .kde3, why isn't it just as easy to move .kde4 to .kde when the time comes? | 14:28 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: because when the time comes it's move .kde4 to .kde and .kde to .kde3 | 14:29 |
| apachelogger_ | anyway | 14:30 |
| apachelogger_ | the thing is | 14:30 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: the change to .kde3 would only cause problems if another app uses a 3rd apps config | 14:30 |
| apachelogger_ | s/users/accesses | 14:30 |
| Hobbsee | and there's no guarentee that the configs are compatible | 14:30 |
| ScottK | Which are all very good reasons not to be messing with KDE3 configs in Hardy. | 14:31 |
| bddebian | Heya | 14:31 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: IMO the scenario of regression is _highly_ impossible | 14:32 |
| apachelogger_ | as saied, a really problem would be if another app access another app's config | 14:32 |
| apachelogger_ | and doing that yourself instead of abusing kdelibs is more work | 14:32 |
| apachelogger_ | so none would have done that | 14:32 |
| apachelogger_ | if the app writes it's own config statically to .kde | 14:33 |
| apachelogger_ | it's a problem either way | 14:33 |
| apachelogger_ | because if you start the KDE 4 port, it will do it, and if you start the KDE 3 port it will do it as well | 14:33 |
| apachelogger_ | so we can't influence it at all | 14:33 |
| apachelogger_ | but I agree, regression testing is most important for the whole transition process | 14:34 |
| wesley_ | there are daily kde4 updates it seems | 14:34 |
| apachelogger_ | pretty much | 14:35 |
| wesley_ | theres one from kopete and plasma | 14:35 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: maybe some checkbox - "Create a compressed backup package" | 14:35 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: jep something like that | 14:35 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img046.jpg | 14:42 |
| apachelogger_ | like this? | 14:42 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: nicely :) - maybe some indication where it gets saved to? | 14:43 |
| Nightrose | I assume home | 14:43 |
| * apachelogger_ would go for Desktop | 14:45 | |
| apachelogger_ | most visible after login | 14:45 |
| Nightrose | hmm fine as well I think - just indicate somehow where it is | 14:46 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: in a tooltip | 14:47 |
| Nightrose | ok | 14:47 |
| apachelogger_ | everything else bloats the gui and mhb will punch me again | 14:47 |
| Nightrose | hihi | 14:47 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger_: Hope you don't leave the third option to 'ony' | 14:48 |
| apachelogger_ | lol | 14:49 |
| apachelogger_ | Artemis_Fowl: just a mockup :D | 14:49 |
| Artemis_Fowl | apachelogger_: :-) | 14:49 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: I'm fine as long as Riddell approves it | 14:49 |
| apachelogger_ | well, needs some improvement | 14:50 |
| apachelogger_ | logo somewhere maybe | 14:50 |
| xRaich[o]2x | stacked widgets could be nice. for step by step migration. or is this too much? | 14:52 |
| apachelogger_ | xRaich[o]2x: the options on the screenshot are really everything we want/need to do | 14:53 |
| apachelogger_ | we can't influence the actual configuration migration | 14:53 |
| xRaich[o]2x | hm k | 14:56 |
| * apachelogger_ kicks kiten | 15:01 | |
| apachelogger_ | that app has been made to annoy me | 15:01 |
| * apachelogger_ assumes Nightrose is responsible for this | 15:01 | |
| manchicken | Sun is going to buy MySQL. What is the world coming to? | 15:01 |
| xRaich[o]2x | kiten bakka desuka? | 15:01 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger_: right - I only did that for you honey cause I know you like it :P | 15:02 |
| apachelogger_ | manchicken: they need at least one useable software :P | 15:02 |
| apachelogger_ | Nightrose: bah | 15:02 |
| manchicken | apachelogger_: I suppose. At least they didn't buy postgresql. It'd be a shame if they pulled a real dbms out of Free Software. | 15:03 |
| apachelogger_ | lol | 15:03 |
| apachelogger_ | -.- | 15:03 |
| apachelogger_ | deb creation for kdeedu takes almost as long as compiling | 15:04 |
| apachelogger__ | hm | 15:32 |
| apachelogger__ | my english sounds kinda cool today | 15:32 |
| apachelogger__ | paste something so that somewhere else can take a look | 15:32 |
| apachelogger__ | sounds reasonable, doesn't it :P | 15:32 |
| * apachelogger__ needs more sleep | 15:32 | |
| === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger | ||
| apachelogger | ScottK: about your comment on libksquirrel - nixternal and I came to agree that including useless manpages doesn't make any sense, and for the bins in that package they are useless | 15:33 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: OK. Debian policy doesn't discriminate. I'd suggest writing a very simple one. | 15:34 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 15:35 |
| ScottK | Not quite that simple. | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | well | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | there ain't much to write | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | app name | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | description | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | bin name | 15:36 |
| apachelogger | copyright holder | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | homepage maybe | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Any options you can give it when you run it? | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | nope | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | well, for one I think, but I never tried whether this actually works | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Fixing Riddell's FTBFS would be a nice feature for the package too ;-) | 15:37 |
| apachelogger | also these bins aren't for any use to anyone | 15:37 |
| ScottK | Well test and document that then. | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 15:38 |
| * apachelogger is kinda busy with kde4 though | 15:38 | |
| ScottK | It's FOSS, you can't control or predict how it will be used. Better it be documented. | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: pretty much my point, since it has a source anyone would use that and not introduce a dep on libksquirrel ;-) | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | anyway, I'll add the manpages | 15:39 |
| ScottK | Great. Once you fix the FTBFS, ping me and I'll look at it. | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | yep | 15:39 |
| emonkey | ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe) | 16:14 |
| emonkey | http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/design-wettbewerb-f-r-kubuntu-org-l-uft-bis-02-02-08 | 16:14 |
| mhb | jpatrick: are you making minutes from the last meeting, too? | 17:24 |
| jpatrick | mhb: seeing as no one reads them => no | 17:24 |
| smarter | I read them :} | 17:25 |
| mhb | jpatrick: what's that? | 17:25 |
| mhb | jpatrick: I read them *all* the time | 17:25 |
| Nightrose | jpatrick: I read them as well | 17:25 |
| mhb | even though I've been on most of the meetings :o) | 17:25 |
| jpatrick | I got the feeling from kubuntu-users that noone bothered with them | 17:25 |
| jpatrick | I will do it ;) and always will | 17:26 |
| mhb | I'm not sure a ML with topics like "Alternatives to Kubuntu" is really representative | 17:27 |
| mhb | I am sorry that I haven't paid more attention at the last one ... | 17:27 |
| mhb | have you/we decided to have a #kubuntu-kde4 channel? | 17:27 |
| jpatrick | we have it | 17:28 |
| mhb | I know we do now | 17:28 |
| mhb | but it was quite a hot topic at the yesterday's IRC meeting | 17:28 |
| mhb | many people are against it | 17:28 |
| mhb | and I must have missed the part when we talked about it, so I'm asking | 17:28 |
| jpatrick | well Hobbsee pulled out her Kubuntu Council shotgun when the IRC council shut it down | 17:29 |
| mhb | so we haven't really talked about it as a team, or have we? | 17:31 |
| claydoh | jpatrick: I read thje minutes, I can't usually make it to the meetings | 17:31 |
| * mhb honestly doesn't know | 17:31 | |
| jpatrick | we did at the meeting and the vote got though by one | 17:32 |
| mhb | ah | 17:32 |
| mhb | well, I guess I should continue what I'm doing now | 17:32 |
| claydoh | and , at least for those that actually post in k -u- ml, well i dunno | 17:32 |
| jpatrick | claydoh: don't worry, I'll keep doing them and I'm the one that posts them ;) | 17:33 |
| claydoh | sweet | 17:33 |
| mhb | not pay attention to the issue and let the chips fall where they may | 17:33 |
| claydoh | and thank you | 17:33 |
| mhb | yes, thanks | 17:33 |
| claydoh | that was the one good post to the list lately | 17:33 |
| jpatrick | but it seems kubuntu-users people can't read them | 17:33 |
| jpatrick | otherwise we wouldn't have this useless Kubuntu LTS thread | 17:34 |
| smarter | I just finished packaging oxygen cursors theme =) | 17:34 |
| jpatrick | smarter: w00t | 17:34 |
| nixternal | ooh? how are they looking? | 17:34 |
| smarter | nice | 17:35 |
| smarter | available here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter/ubuntu/pool/main/o/oxygen-cursors-theme/ (the ppa3.1 when they will be uploaded) | 17:35 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: you upload? or should I? | 17:36 |
| smarter | I've made two packages: one with the white, yellow and green cursors and another one with the tons of others colors :} | 17:36 |
| smarter | oxygen-cursors-theme and oxygen-cursors-theme-extra | 17:36 |
| jpatrick | smarter: ~ppa3 still need building? | 17:37 |
| smarter | the latest one is ~ppa3.1 | 17:37 |
| smarter | which is not even uploaded :) | 17:37 |
| jpatrick | mhb: oh, wait, you wanted the last meeting minutes? | 17:38 |
| smarter | I messed up and made ~ppa3 for gutsy ^^' | 17:38 |
| mhb | jpatrick: well, sure. | 17:39 |
| mhb | jpatrick: but I can dig up the logs | 17:39 |
| mhb | jpatrick: don't bother | 17:39 |
| jpatrick | mhb: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ | 17:39 |
| jpatrick | mhb: first on the list :) | 17:39 |
| jpatrick | not much details, but... | 17:40 |
| smarter | ppa3.1 are uploaded in my PPA | 17:40 |
| jpatrick | smarter: ok, I'll test the package and shove it into universe | 17:43 |
| smarter | the version number is 0git080116, I don't know if it's the correct way for unreleased programs | 17:43 |
| smarter | ffmpeg use 0.cvs2007xxxxx | 17:43 |
| jpatrick | smarter: 0~git20080116-0ubuntu1 would be better | 17:44 |
| smarter | jpatrick: okay, you'll do the change? | 17:45 |
| jpatrick | maybe 4.0.0~.... | 17:45 |
| mhb | jpatrick: thanks | 17:45 |
| jpatrick | seeing as that's kde-icons-oxygen's version | 17:45 |
| jpatrick | smarter: yes | 17:45 |
| jpatrick | mhb: yw | 17:45 |
| apachelogger_ | hmmmm | 17:46 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: could we upload oxygen-cursors-theme? | 17:46 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: I vote for 0.1~git..... | 17:46 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: teh diff isn't clean | 17:46 |
| apachelogger_ | ...meaning there is quite some junk left by clean | 17:47 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: on the off chance that upstream releases a 0.0 version ;) | 17:47 |
| smarter | jpatrick: you'll also need to update debian/create-orig-from-git | 17:47 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: ~git would still be < | 17:47 |
| apachelogger_ | actually | 17:47 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: I said that ;) | 17:47 |
| apachelogger_ | I'd like to have it in revu | 17:47 |
| jpatrick | good point | 17:47 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: but would upstream mind? | 17:48 |
| * apachelogger_ needs more time to revu | 17:48 | |
| apachelogger_ | have to head off for a meeting | 17:48 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: ruphy in #oxygen | 17:48 |
| mhb | umm | 17:48 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: I'm on it | 17:48 |
| mhb | I hate to bother you again, but shouldn't it be oxygen-cursor-theme? | 17:48 |
| apachelogger_ | actually I think ruphy should import it into kde svn before we release something | 17:48 |
| jpatrick | smarter: can you upload to revu? | 17:48 |
| jpatrick | mhb: I vote for kde-cursors-theme-oxygen | 17:49 |
| mhb | there's no package called "*cursors-theme" but there are "dmz-cursor-theme" "chameleon-cursor-theme" | 17:49 |
| smarter | mhb: there's human-cursors-theme | 17:49 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: themes aren't desktop depending | 17:49 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger_: he's not there! | 17:49 |
| apachelogger_ | jpatrick: well, I will talk to him | 17:49 |
| mhb | smarter: is there? | 17:49 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: go with cursor-theme | 17:49 |
| smarter | I can upload to revu, even if I've never done it ;) | 17:49 |
| apachelogger_ | it's more common | 17:50 |
| mhb | hmm, apt-cache search can't find it | 17:50 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: ok | 17:50 |
| smarter | I'll remove the junk in the diff | 17:50 |
| jpatrick | smarter: is your key in revu keythingy? | 17:50 |
| smarter | jpatrick: I think so | 17:50 |
| apachelogger_ | just stick the stuff in revu, I'll have a look at it in ~12 hours and talk to ruphy about releasing | 17:50 |
| apachelogger_ | if it's ok I'll push it to universe | 17:51 |
| jpatrick | smarter: yeah, it is; dput revu .changes | 17:51 |
| smarter | so oxygen-cursor-theme-0.1~git080116 ? | 17:51 |
| smarter | -0ubuntu1 | 17:52 |
| jpatrick | yes | 17:52 |
| apachelogger_ | maintainer should be ubuntu motu | 17:53 |
| smarter | ok | 17:53 |
| apachelogger_ | everything I can complain about on first sight | 17:53 |
| apachelogger_ | will have a look at it tomorrow | 17:53 |
| * apachelogger_ heads off for a meeting | 17:53 | |
| apachelogger_ | smell you later :P | 17:53 |
| smarter | So I put myself as "Uploader"? | 17:54 |
| jpatrick | not needed | 17:54 |
| smarter | uploaded ;) | 18:01 |
| jpatrick | let me see... | 18:02 |
| ScottK | smarter and apachelogger_: Maintainer should probably be Kubuntu Developers | 18:12 |
| jpatrick | smarter: Homepage under Standards-Version could be good too :) | 18:13 |
| smarter | jpatrick: yes | 18:13 |
| smarter | there's a problem with the version I uploaded to revu | 18:13 |
| smarter | the /usr/share/icons/oxy-* directories are empty :/ | 18:13 |
| smarter | oh I see why | 18:14 |
| smarter | i forgot to rename the oxygen-cursors-* files ... | 18:14 |
| smarter | so I put Kubuntu Developers as maintener? | 18:14 |
| jpatrick | smarter: "is licensed under the GPLv3" and not: (at your option) any later version? :) | 18:15 |
| ScottK | And you can put yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer: (I think that's it) if you want. | 18:15 |
| smarter | jpatrick: I just copy-pasted the LICENSE file | 18:15 |
| ScottK | And use The kubuntu-devel ML for the maintainer mailing address. | 18:15 |
| jpatrick | smarter: ok :) | 18:16 |
| smarter | for the homepage I put ruphy's blog or the git repository? | 18:17 |
| jpatrick | oxygen-icons.org/ ? | 18:18 |
| smarter | jpatrick: good idea ;) | 18:19 |
| smarter | jpatrick: Now, I just have to debuild -S and upload or should I make a new revision? | 18:22 |
| jpatrick | smarter: no | 18:23 |
| jpatrick | smarter: new revision is just if it's in ubuntu | 18:23 |
| smarter | revu handle packages with same revisions? | 18:23 |
| stdin | yes, revu will keep track of uploads itself | 18:24 |
| DSW_ZeRo_84745 | Hallo | 18:24 |
| smarter | stdin: ok, thanks | 18:24 |
| jpatrick | hello DSW_ZeRo_84745 | 18:24 |
| DSW_ZeRo_84745 | hi | 18:24 |
| nixternal | shouldn't the icons go into /usr/lib/kde4/share/icons? | 18:24 |
| smarter | "Checksum doesn't match for /home/smarter/Builds/oxygen/oxygen-cursor-theme_0.1~git080116-0ubuntu1.dsc" | 18:25 |
| smarter | hu? | 18:25 |
| jpatrick | smarter: try debuild -S -sa-ing it again | 18:25 |
| smarter | nixternal: no, 'cause it's not kde4-specific | 18:26 |
| smarter | people using kde3 may want to use it | 18:26 |
| nixternal | I thought just like the Oxygen Icons you couldn't use them in KDE 3...hey, learning something new every day | 18:26 |
| smarter | jpatrick: doesn't work :/ | 18:26 |
| nixternal | thought they went through a naming rechange as well | 18:26 |
| smarter | they work fine on my kde3 box | 18:27 |
| nixternal | when are they supposed to be released officially? | 18:27 |
| mhb | nixternal: aren't they already? | 18:28 |
| smarter | nixternal: apachelogger said that he will talk to ruphy about releasing | 18:28 |
| nixternal | they aren't in kdelibs with the rest of the Oxygen theme stuff | 18:28 |
| mhb | nixternal: I'm pretty sure you're free to use them wherever you want | 18:28 |
| smarter | there's already a tarball on ruphy's blog | 18:29 |
| nixternal | no, reason I am asking is because when they do get released, they will become a part of the kdelibs package | 18:29 |
| mhb | ah | 18:29 |
| jpatrick | smarter: sweet, package works | 18:31 |
| smarter | jpatrick: I didn't uploaded the fixed version | 18:32 |
| smarter | oh it worked | 18:32 |
| jpatrick | smarter: I'm using the ~ppa3 one | 18:33 |
| smarter | jpatrick: ok | 18:33 |
| smarter | I think I managed to upload a new version to revu | 18:33 |
| smarter | nah, it still says checksum doesn't match :/ | 18:34 |
| jpatrick | evil :/ | 18:34 |
| smarter | I removed everything but .orig.tar.gz and the directory and it worked :} | 18:35 |
| smarter | bbl | 18:35 |
| smarter | Since I install kde4 packages, kde3 launch by default kde4 apps | 19:27 |
| smarter | for example, if I click on a link in Konversation it will open in konqueror4 | 19:27 |
| jpatrick | yep, known bug :( | 19:28 |
| smarter | At least, it forces me to use more kde4 apps :P | 19:28 |
| * jpatrick just uses KDE4 | 19:28 | |
| smarter | I'll use it if it was faster | 19:29 |
| * stdin should run "sudo apt-get update" more | 19:30 | |
| stdin | Fetched 17.1MB in 1min6s (257kB/s) | 19:30 |
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| ryanakca | mhb: "11:14:44 #kubuntu-devel: < emonkey> ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe)" | 21:05 |
| emonkey | hm? | 21:05 |
| ryanakca | emonkey: ping, was the blurb you sent your people in german? or could you also forward it to ubuntu-weekly news? | 21:05 |
| ryanakca | emonkey: this morning he told me "07:38:35 #kubuntu-devel: < mhb> ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears" | 21:06 |
| ryanakca | emonkey: so I showed him what you told me :) | 21:06 |
| emonkey | ryanakca, yes its in german | 21:06 |
| erable | Hi, | 21:06 |
| ryanakca | emonkey: ok, I'll write one up myself then | 21:07 |
| erable | I have a problem with my package on Hardy: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?package=qdevelop | 21:07 |
| emonkey | ryanakca, maybe you could ask txwikinger, but my english is too bad to do it. and beside, I've got exams atm, so I try to learn as much as possible and not to do other things ... | 21:08 |
| ryanakca | hehe, I'm in the same situation, exams next week and the week after :) | 21:09 |
| ryanakca | will to | 21:09 |
| txwikinger | yes? | 21:09 |
| ryanakca | s/to/do/ | 21:09 |
| erable | qdevelop depends sqlite | 21:09 |
| erable | On gutsy, libqt4-dev require libqt4-sql and libqt4-sql require sqlite: | 21:09 |
| ryanakca | txwikinger: umm, mind translating the blurb that emonkey wrote for the news? | 21:09 |
| txwikinger | if it is not too long... I am not feeling too well atm | 21:10 |
| txwikinger | where is it? | 21:10 |
| emonkey | ryanakca, I didn't write anything I jsut asked if someone could do it ;) | 21:10 |
| ryanakca | emonkey: ? | 21:10 |
| emonkey | ryanakca, our news team wrote it | 21:10 |
| ryanakca | (I don't read / understand german, so I'd be at loss as to where to find it... link for txwikinger ... ) | 21:10 |
| emonkey | I only asked them | 21:10 |
| emonkey | txwikinger, er meint das mockup news auf unserer Seite | 21:11 |
| emonkey | er will es an den UWN senden | 21:11 |
| txwikinger | Designer Wettbewerb? | 21:11 |
| emonkey | jap | 21:11 |
| txwikinger | ah ok | 21:11 |
| mhb | ich kann's auch machen | 21:11 |
| emonkey | txwikinger, ich kann es sonst morgen versuchen, aber mein english ist naja | 21:11 |
| txwikinger | ryanakca: how shall I get it to you, or should I just insert it to the UWN? | 21:12 |
| ryanakca | txwikinger: either or, whichever is easiest for you ;) | 21:12 |
| txwikinger | I can put it into the UWN | 21:12 |
| ryanakca | txwikinger: okies, thanks a lot :) | 21:12 |
| txwikinger | However, I suggest that it refers back to the article in kubuntu.org | 21:12 |
| txwikinger | for the image etc | 21:13 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: Hmm... I don't suppose the mockup contest would be considered newsworthy enough for kubuntu.org? | 21:13 |
| mhb | ryanakca: you could try the artwork team, but those people are often very bike-shedding | 21:13 |
| ryanakca | bike-shedding? | 21:13 |
| mhb | meaning they start arguing over some minor detail or the fact that it is not Kubuntu and in the end nothing gets done | 21:13 |
| mhb | err, it is not Ubuntu | 21:13 |
| ryanakca | ah | 21:14 |
| mhb | but it's worth a try I guess | 21:14 |
| txwikinger | I heard that the art team has nothing to do with art ;) | 21:14 |
| mhb | txwikinger: they submit mockups quite often | 21:15 |
| mhb | very few of them gets implemented | 21:15 |
| * ryanakca nods ... | 21:15 | |
| txwikinger | well.. I don't know.. I just heard | 21:15 |
| ryanakca | anything artwork related tends to result in a lot of bickering :) | 21:15 |
| txwikinger | I guess the best is to create the article in english on kubuntu-de.org and to write a summary for UWN | 21:16 |
| ryanakca | txwikinger: sure. You can find the original here http://blog.ryanak.ca/archives/44 | 21:16 |
| txwikinger | this can also be announced on kubuntu.org then | 21:16 |
| * ryanakca nods | 21:16 | |
| txwikinger | ok thanks | 21:17 |
| apachelogger_ | re | 21:48 |
| apachelogger_ | <-- slightly drunk :P | 21:48 |
| Nightrose | wb :) | 21:48 |
| apachelogger_ | thx | 21:48 |
| emonkey | apachelogger_, sansgrüsst | 21:49 |
| apachelogger_ | ScottK: nope, that set is aimed to be desktop independant, so it make sense to have ubuntu motu as maintainer... also ruphy is working on a fdo cursor spec | 21:49 |
| apachelogger_ | emonkey: servas | 21:49 |
| ScottK | apachelogger_: OK then MOTU it is. | 21:50 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 21:52 |
| apachelogger_ | somehow smarter didn't upload the orig.tar.gz :| | 21:52 |
| mhb | ryanakca: ping | 22:10 |
| ryanakca | pong | 22:10 |
| coreymon77 | blah | 22:10 |
| mhb | ryanakca: you wouldn't mind if I made a mockup too, right? | 22:11 |
| ryanakca | haha, nope, the more the merrier :) | 22:11 |
| coreymon77 | what are we talking about | 22:11 |
| ryanakca | coreymon77: Kubuntu Website Mockup Contest, submit your mockups :D | 22:12 |
| nixternal | what do I win? | 22:13 |
| nixternal | I mean if I were to win :p | 22:13 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: karma | 22:13 |
| nixternal | hopefully good karma, I need some to alleviate all of the bad karma :) | 22:14 |
| mhb | nixternal: <blackhumour>the winner gets to die</blackhumour> | 22:14 |
| nixternal | YES! | 22:14 |
| apachelogger_ | -.- | 22:14 |
| nixternal | I am down then :) | 22:15 |
| * apachelogger_ goes on bug hunt | 22:15 | |
| mhb | nixternal: we're all winners in this one | 22:15 |
| mhb | apachelogger_: catch 'em all! | 22:15 |
| nixternal | hahaha, sounds like a telethon call | 22:15 |
| * apachelogger_ doesn't get it | 22:19 | |
| mhb | apachelogger_: you never had it | 22:19 |
| mhb | .o) | 22:19 |
| mhb | or was it "I lost it..." | 22:20 |
| mhb | man | 22:20 |
| * mhb lost it | 22:20 | |
| apachelogger_ | bug 182077 should be fixed in http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=757612 | 22:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077 | 22:20 |
| apachelogger_ | well | 22:22 |
| apachelogger_ | too tired | 22:22 |
| * apachelogger_ turns off mouse potato mode and turns on couch potato mode | 22:23 | |
| mhb | ryanakca: no, I rather give up | 22:26 |
| mhb | it's no use | 22:26 |
| mhb | I never design anything worth noting :o) | 22:26 |
| mhb | ryanakca: I always end up reinventing what we already have, with just small modifications | 22:28 |
| crimsun | what is kubuntu 8.04 going to use as the underlying audio substrate? | 22:45 |
| ryanakca | mhb: ouch | 22:49 |
| ryanakca | no more "switch user" in hardy? | 23:22 |
| stdin | huh? | 23:24 |
| ryanakca | stdin: start, there used to be a switch session, etc | 23:33 |
| stdin | yes, I still have it | 23:34 |
| stdin | 3rd option up, after "Log Out..." and "Lock Session" | 23:34 |
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