[00:02] ScottK: *nods* [00:27] Hey...is someone there? [00:28] I need some help with a "special problem" [00:28] RinTinTigger: #kubuntu ? [00:29] well i am not sure [00:29] problem is [00:29] I have a laptop with cd-drive malfunction [00:29] and had windows preinstalled [00:29] and installed Feisty Fawn via Wubi [00:29] ... and... was it caused by Kubuntu / Did it happen when you put in the CD? [00:29] ah... Wubi? [00:29] Yeah [00:29] Wubi [00:29] now BOTH OS crashed [00:30] * ryanakca scratches his head and decides this is above him [00:30] and i cant reinstall [00:30] so i kinda need a way to install ubuntu/lionux via USB-Stick ^^ [00:30] How do i F***CKIN ;) install Linux without a Cd-Drive and network access ? :D [00:31] you're better off asking that type of question in #ubuntu ... #kubuntu answers that type of question, but it's not as populated. #ubuntu will deal with more generic issues, hardware under Ubuntu, etc. [00:31] ty [00:31] how? with your godly superpowers :P [00:35] man, I so need to get this audio crap fixed...I just booted into KDE 4 in class and everyone heard the new login sound :) [00:37] /ignore * nixternal ["audio" "sound"] [00:38] oooh, I like the new "to complete this update you need to reboot your system" message that pops up, telling me my upgrade is done [00:38] brb, wish me luck, hardy, here I come :) [00:50] weee :) [00:50] My KDE session didn't get restored for some reason... but I can live with that :) [00:53] oh this is fun. kde4 just crashed and now the panel won't come up [00:56] * yuriy says goodbye to his ~/.kde4 [00:57] aaaaah! 'kopete' points to /usr/lib/kde4/bin/kopete ... and kopete-kde4 points to /usr/bin/kopete-kde4 [00:58] ... and /usr/bin/kopete refuses to start :S [00:58] i know this was being discussed yesterday but.. maybe the user on computer/kubuntu label could go on the top of kickoff? [00:59] nixternal: you about? === santiago-php is now known as santiago-ve [01:31] hmm... is kopete dead for anybody else? [01:31] 18 [01:31] err, sorry. [01:57] evening :) === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [01:58] hi jjesse! [02:00] morning Jucato [02:00] man i love the opening sessions of american idol [02:01] :) [02:02] It's frickin' frightening [02:02] aint it great [02:04] No it makes me ashamed of my species :-) [02:05] makes me ashasmed as well [02:05] i can't believe some of these people [02:05] just started watching [02:05] jes478SE [02:05] man i love to do that [02:06] set password kmj0407 [02:06] O.o [02:06] good lord [02:06] i should quit typing [02:07] changed all of my accounts again :( [02:07] i'm stupid [02:15] * yuriy found a use for the thumbnail aside effect [02:15] yay yuriy === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [02:36] hrm interseting dropping my network connectin again under linux ;( === \sh is now known as \sh_away [02:51] hrmm [03:09] i think everyone fell alseep [03:09] hey, we aren't going to have a #kubuntu and a #kubuntu-kde4 are we? just one channel [03:09] nixternal: you are in charge of both :) [03:10] the impression tha ti got from teh meeting minutes was that we wer.e [03:10] heck no, trying to put a stop to a separate channel if at all possible [03:10] that is ridiculous [03:10] well, fix it then, and stop the arguing. *shrug* [03:10] if you want to take over, then do so. no one's stopping you. [03:20] * Hobbsee should just resign from the KC [03:22] Hobbsee: don't you dare! [03:22] nixternal: why? [03:22] cuz I said so, that's why :p [03:22] Yay!!! [03:22] I have my ticket [03:23] hey. talking about kde4, if i remove a desktop file when in kde3, shouldn't it also be removed when i go back to kde4? [03:23] nixternal: so? [03:24] 21:24:51 up 63 days, 4:22, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 [03:25] * nixternal thinks it is time for a break === _czessi is now known as Czessi === Sapphire-Tux is now known as Elidix [05:59] We've got a babychicken. [05:59] Born on the 15th at 19:46 -0500 [06:00] that's great!! congratulations!! :) [06:00] yay! [06:01] Hobbsee!!!! [06:01] heya Jucato! [06:04] Lumaya Jucato ! [06:04] :D [06:12] manchicken: Congratulations. [06:16] Thanks. [06:18] congratulations manchicken!!! [06:22] Baby pics: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=17489305&albumId=1429460 [06:24] I have to login to see em? [06:24] I have to register? O.o [06:32] seele: Someone is looking for you [06:45] seele: _CitizenKane_ in #kde if you see this [06:48] Weird. [06:48] Try going to http://www.myspace.com/manchicken and clicking on "pics" [06:51] ew, myspace? [06:51] stop cursing, little kids are awake [06:54] I must be logged into see that [06:54] hah [06:57] manchicken: I guess you have some filter on them [06:57] * Tm_T doesn't know what is this "myspace" [07:00] I don't think I do. [07:00] Sorry, myspace is all I can think of to access on this super-anal network. [07:00] * Hobbsee suggests hosting them on a real site [07:01] Everything is locked down on this hospital wifi. [07:01] manchicken: awww, what's the situation there? [07:01] They'll be on manchicken.com once we get home. [07:01] Probably with video. [07:01] But this hospital is locked down. I'm using an HTTP client to IRC right now. [07:01] btw, mibbit.com is sweet. [07:02] meebo.com isn't half bad either. [07:03] * Hobbsee si surprised the hospital has wifi [07:03] I was, too. [07:14] hi [08:19] Belkin KVMs are the suxorz [08:50] stdin: I think we should close bug 182288 telling the report to move it to bugs.kde.org that report doesn't report a certain issue, but quite some troubles with ATI stuff [08:50] Launchpad bug 182288 in kdebase-kde4 "blank screen with kwin effects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182288 [09:04] apache|mobile: that is because that person doesn't have either a) the correct driver installed, or b) doesn't have the correct driver installed [09:04] I have no problems now with my Radeon and KDE 4 [09:07] holy smokes, 03:07...time flies when you clean up your computer area [09:07] * nixternal beds [09:07] g'nite [09:15] nixternal: I think it also depends on the chip [09:22] i got the same thing (blank screen) with integrated intel video [09:22] on my laptop [09:55] iRon: works for mine [09:55] iRon: can you paste your xorg.conf? [10:31] * Hobbsee curses blinken [10:31] * Hobbsee tries again [11:04] * Hobbsee plays with more of kdeedu [11:20] apache|mobile: actualy default one, generated by xserver-xorg: http://pastebin.org/15642 [11:23] * apache|mobile isn't too surprised that this doesn't work properly [11:23] oh.. i found how to reproduce it.. anyone whants to try? [11:23] i think it will fail on any card [11:24] cool [11:26] anyways of tracing why a "knotify crashed error occurred" ? [11:26] 1. Goto System Settings / Desktop Effects: deselect 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox [11:26] Apply [11:27] 2. Then again select 'Enable desktop effects' checkbox and deselect 'Improved window management' and 'Various animations'... [11:27] Leave only selected 'Shadows' [11:27] And press Apply.. [11:27] You'll get a black screen with mouse cursor [11:28] apache|mobile: could you try this? [11:29] iRon: only for 5 seconds [11:31] apache|mobile: yep, then it returns to prev state.. but if you press 'ctrl-alt-backspace' before this 5 seconds -- then on next login you'll get a black screen. [11:31] apache|mobile: or press `enter' === \sh_away is now known as \sh [11:32] cool [11:32] iRon: upstream bug [12:38] hello [12:38] ryanakca: I get the feeling that the message did not get to many interested ears [12:49] apachelogger_: there's nothing we can do about that bug either way, it should go upstream (maybe kwin can do better detection of hardware capabilities) [12:52] someone says they're still having bug 182077 [12:52] Launchpad bug 182077 in kdebase-workspace "multiple desktop-icons in kde4" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182077 [12:53] stdin: i think there is some logical error in code.. need to check what settings are activated when 'Improved window management' is checked. [12:53] stdin: because i could see mouse cursor.. so X doesn't failed [12:54] stdin: i think it's just need to enable some variables in code even if only 'Shadows' activated [12:55] still should probably go upstream, they know the code better than anyone [12:59] Hobbsee: you've added to exiv2 quite some conflicts for smooth upgrades. This effectivly disabled having several libexiv2* in parallel. Was this a quick fix? Can't this be solved in a less intrusive way? === \sh is now known as \sh_away [13:05] alleeHol: probably. it was holding back digikam upgrades. [13:10] Are we going to package the oxygen cursor theme? [13:11] please do (humble request) [13:12] it should be packaged separate from KDE anyway (cursors are non-DE-dependent) [13:16] shouldn't be too hard to package ;) [13:17] nope [13:18] It uses inkscape to generate the png, can it uses ksvgtopng? [13:22] Hobbsee: thx [13:22] smarter: hmm, I guess Inkscape is a safer choice. [13:30] smarter: no [13:30] can't use ksvgtopng [13:30] ok [13:31] smarter: btw, you probably will have to write a script to create a snapshot tar.gz [13:31] apachelogger_: why should I create a tar.gz? [13:31] smarter: how do you want to package it without? [13:32] I type make, then cp cursors/* /usr/share/icons and that's it [13:32] smarter: _package_ [13:32] so I just need to put this in debian/rules [13:32] smarter: where do you get the source from? [13:32] apachelogger_: git [13:33] so [13:33] you need to create a solution to update the checkout [13:33] hence create a tar.gz [13:33] because only native packages can go without orig.tar.gz [13:34] I thought I'll just remove .git and create the tarball [13:34] If i make a script, where should I put it? [13:34] in the debian dir [13:34] okay [13:34] you can also create a get-orig-source rule in debian/rules, but script is probably easier to do [13:35] just needs to git clone, remove the .git and tar it up [13:35] * apachelogger_ updates kdeedu [13:35] I'll do that [13:35] smarter: cool :) [13:36] stdin: btw, kde4 is missing a dep on kdeedu-kde4 [13:37] apachelogger_: kde4 depends on kde4-amusements, which depends on kdeedu-kde4 [13:38] <_StefanS_> I was just wondering, anyone have the xorg settings for nvidia to enable effects under kde4 ? [13:39] _StefanS_: http://websvn.kde.org/*checkout*/trunk/KDE/kdebase/workspace/kwin/COMPOSITE_HOWTO [13:39] stdin: ok [13:39] <_StefanS_> stdin: thanks [13:39] bah [13:39] * apachelogger_ svn co's kiten [13:39] <_StefanS_> hey Tonio_ [13:40] hey _StefanS_ [13:42] * apachelogger_ commits fixed icon installation to kiten [13:42] <_StefanS_> I wish we could do without xorg.conf, and leave it to autodetect everything... seems unlikely at the moment though [13:43] _StefanS_: all in due time [13:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes, I sure hope so.. its already been stripped down a bit the past years, but time will tell I guess. [13:44] <_StefanS_> going kde4... brb. [13:45] stdin: btw, I think we should work on a different configuration solution ... .kde4 isn't precisely a good thing, considering kde 4 is default in hardy [13:45] makes one unbelivable pita [13:45] for upgrading [13:46] apachelogger_: the "kde4-*" packages are really just there to replace the kde3 versions "kde-*" [13:46] we could/should make a kubuntu specific meta-package [13:46] stdin: nah, I mean for the configuration storage [13:46] apachelogger_: is KDE4 even ready to import original .kde3 config files? [13:47] right now it's $HOME/.kde for kde3 and $HOME/.kde4 for kde4 [13:47] ahh, right [13:47] mhb: I don't know [13:47] honestly I don't care [13:47] I'm worried about KDE 4 upgrades [13:47] because [13:47] if we go with .kde4 for hardy [13:47] we will have to patch KDE until KDE 5 gets out [13:48] like we haven't patched KDE3 at all :o) but I see your point [13:51] I think we should patch .kde3 [13:52] maybe add some cp -rf .kde .kde3 when the startkde for KDE4 is initated the first time [13:52] * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk [13:54] apachelogger_: Are you going to do the regression testing to ensure that doesn't break anything? [13:59] ScottK: what could this possible break? [13:59] mhb: do you think a migration wizard would be too bloated? :P [14:00] apachelogger_: nay [14:00] like blah, a kde3 configuration set has been detected, do you want to reuse it for kde3 applications, dump it or let apps try to migrate them [14:00] apachelogger_: wizard's are Riddell's expertise [14:00] hrrhr :D [14:00] +r [14:02] and the same for kde3: ".kde contains kde4 configuration, do you want to use .kde3?" [14:02] nah [14:02] we patch kdelibs to use .kde3 for kde3 [14:03] just what we do now for kde4 the other way round [14:03] if a user starts kde3 we just cp -rf to .kde3 [14:12] omgwtfbbq. [14:12] why do gtk need to have a gboolean type? [14:13] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img045.jpg [14:14] apachelogger_: you should give the option to make a backup no matter what is choosen [14:22] apachelogger_: Are there any KDE3 apps that are hardcoded to look in .kde? If you answer no, then tell me how you know that? [14:26] ScottK: no, if they do they aren't KDE apps [14:26] apachelogger_: Or buggy ones. [14:26] that's the most basic freature of configuration stoarge ;-) [14:27] Yes and it's not unknown for programs to have bugs due to relying on basic things they shouldn't rely on. [14:27] ScottK: so you think we should test the zillions of KDE software ;-) [14:27] apachelogger_: If you're going to move .kde to .kde3, yes. [14:27] cool thing [14:27] KDE3 is your stable foundation for people to do work on, don't take risks with it. [14:27] * apachelogger_ hereby proposes to remove KDE 3 completely [14:28] * ScottK goe and installs opensuse then. [14:28] BTW, if it's easy to move .kde to .kde3, why isn't it just as easy to move .kde4 to .kde when the time comes? [14:29] ScottK: because when the time comes it's move .kde4 to .kde and .kde to .kde3 [14:30] anyway [14:30] the thing is [14:30] ScottK: the change to .kde3 would only cause problems if another app uses a 3rd apps config [14:30] s/users/accesses [14:30] and there's no guarentee that the configs are compatible [14:31] Which are all very good reasons not to be messing with KDE3 configs in Hardy. [14:31] Heya [14:32] ScottK: IMO the scenario of regression is _highly_ impossible [14:32] as saied, a really problem would be if another app access another app's config [14:32] and doing that yourself instead of abusing kdelibs is more work [14:32] so none would have done that [14:33] if the app writes it's own config statically to .kde [14:33] it's a problem either way [14:33] because if you start the KDE 4 port, it will do it, and if you start the KDE 3 port it will do it as well [14:33] so we can't influence it at all [14:34] but I agree, regression testing is most important for the whole transition process [14:34] there are daily kde4 updates it seems [14:35] pretty much [14:35] theres one from kopete and plasma [14:35] Nightrose: maybe some checkbox - "Create a compressed backup package" [14:35] apachelogger_: jep something like that [14:42] Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img046.jpg [14:42] like this? [14:43] apachelogger_: nicely :) - maybe some indication where it gets saved to? [14:43] I assume home [14:45] * apachelogger_ would go for Desktop [14:45] most visible after login [14:46] hmm fine as well I think - just indicate somehow where it is [14:47] Nightrose: in a tooltip [14:47] ok [14:47] everything else bloats the gui and mhb will punch me again [14:47] hihi [14:48] apachelogger_: Hope you don't leave the third option to 'ony' [14:49] lol [14:49] Artemis_Fowl: just a mockup :D [14:49] apachelogger_: :-) [14:49] apachelogger_: I'm fine as long as Riddell approves it [14:50] well, needs some improvement [14:50] logo somewhere maybe [14:52] stacked widgets could be nice. for step by step migration. or is this too much? [14:53] xRaich[o]2x: the options on the screenshot are really everything we want/need to do [14:53] we can't influence the actual configuration migration [14:56] hm k [15:01] * apachelogger_ kicks kiten [15:01] that app has been made to annoy me [15:01] * apachelogger_ assumes Nightrose is responsible for this [15:01] Sun is going to buy MySQL. What is the world coming to? [15:01] kiten bakka desuka? [15:02] apachelogger_: right - I only did that for you honey cause I know you like it :P [15:02] manchicken: they need at least one useable software :P [15:02] Nightrose: bah [15:03] apachelogger_: I suppose. At least they didn't buy postgresql. It'd be a shame if they pulled a real dbms out of Free Software. [15:03] lol [15:03] -.- [15:04] deb creation for kdeedu takes almost as long as compiling [15:32] hm [15:32] my english sounds kinda cool today [15:32] paste something so that somewhere else can take a look [15:32] sounds reasonable, doesn't it :P [15:32] * apachelogger__ needs more sleep === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger [15:33] ScottK: about your comment on libksquirrel - nixternal and I came to agree that including useless manpages doesn't make any sense, and for the bins in that package they are useless [15:34] apachelogger: OK. Debian policy doesn't discriminate. I'd suggest writing a very simple one. [15:35] -.- [15:36] Not quite that simple. [15:36] well [15:36] there ain't much to write [15:36] app name [15:36] description [15:36] bin name [15:37] copyright holder [15:37] homepage maybe [15:37] Any options you can give it when you run it? [15:37] nope [15:37] well, for one I think, but I never tried whether this actually works [15:37] Fixing Riddell's FTBFS would be a nice feature for the package too ;-) [15:37] also these bins aren't for any use to anyone [15:38] Well test and document that then. [15:38] yeah [15:38] * apachelogger is kinda busy with kde4 though [15:38] It's FOSS, you can't control or predict how it will be used. Better it be documented. [15:39] ScottK: pretty much my point, since it has a source anyone would use that and not introduce a dep on libksquirrel ;-) [15:39] anyway, I'll add the manpages [15:39] Great. Once you fix the FTBFS, ping me and I'll look at it. [15:39] yep [16:14] ryanakca, news about the mockup is out since lunchtime (europe) [16:14] http://www.kubuntu-de.org/nachrichten/kubuntu/design-wettbewerb-f-r-kubuntu-org-l-uft-bis-02-02-08 [17:24] jpatrick: are you making minutes from the last meeting, too? [17:24] mhb: seeing as no one reads them => no [17:25] I read them :} [17:25] jpatrick: what's that? [17:25] jpatrick: I read them *all* the time [17:25] jpatrick: I read them as well [17:25] even though I've been on most of the meetings :o) [17:25] I got the feeling from kubuntu-users that noone bothered with them [17:26] I will do it ;) and always will [17:27] I'm not sure a ML with topics like "Alternatives to Kubuntu" is really representative [17:27] I am sorry that I haven't paid more attention at the last one ... [17:27] have you/we decided to have a #kubuntu-kde4 channel? [17:28] we have it [17:28] I know we do now [17:28] but it was quite a hot topic at the yesterday's IRC meeting [17:28] many people are against it [17:28] and I must have missed the part when we talked about it, so I'm asking [17:29] well Hobbsee pulled out her Kubuntu Council shotgun when the IRC council shut it down [17:31] so we haven't really talked about it as a team, or have we? [17:31] jpatrick: I read thje minutes, I can't usually make it to the meetings [17:31] * mhb honestly doesn't know [17:32] we did at the meeting and the vote got though by one [17:32] ah [17:32] well, I guess I should continue what I'm doing now [17:32] and , at least for those that actually post in k -u- ml, well i dunno [17:33] claydoh: don't worry, I'll keep doing them and I'm the one that posts them ;) [17:33] sweet [17:33] not pay attention to the issue and let the chips fall where they may [17:33] and thank you [17:33] yes, thanks [17:33] that was the one good post to the list lately [17:33] but it seems kubuntu-users people can't read them [17:34] otherwise we wouldn't have this useless Kubuntu LTS thread [17:34] I just finished packaging oxygen cursors theme =) [17:34] smarter: w00t [17:34] ooh? how are they looking? [17:35] nice [17:35] available here: http://ppa.launchpad.net/smarter/ubuntu/pool/main/o/oxygen-cursors-theme/ (the ppa3.1 when they will be uploaded) [17:36] nixternal: you upload? or should I? [17:36] I've made two packages: one with the white, yellow and green cursors and another one with the tons of others colors :} [17:36] oxygen-cursors-theme and oxygen-cursors-theme-extra [17:37] smarter: ~ppa3 still need building? [17:37] the latest one is ~ppa3.1 [17:37] which is not even uploaded :) [17:38] mhb: oh, wait, you wanted the last meeting minutes? [17:38] I messed up and made ~ppa3 for gutsy ^^' [17:39] jpatrick: well, sure. [17:39] jpatrick: but I can dig up the logs [17:39] jpatrick: don't bother [17:39] mhb: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/ [17:39] mhb: first on the list :) [17:40] not much details, but... [17:40] ppa3.1 are uploaded in my PPA [17:43] smarter: ok, I'll test the package and shove it into universe [17:43] the version number is 0git080116, I don't know if it's the correct way for unreleased programs [17:43] ffmpeg use 0.cvs2007xxxxx [17:44] smarter: 0~git20080116-0ubuntu1 would be better [17:45] jpatrick: okay, you'll do the change? [17:45] maybe 4.0.0~.... [17:45] jpatrick: thanks [17:45] seeing as that's kde-icons-oxygen's version [17:45] smarter: yes [17:45] mhb: yw [17:46] hmmmm [17:46] Riddell: could we upload oxygen-cursors-theme? [17:46] smarter: I vote for 0.1~git..... [17:46] smarter: teh diff isn't clean [17:47] ...meaning there is quite some junk left by clean [17:47] apachelogger_: on the off chance that upstream releases a 0.0 version ;) [17:47] jpatrick: you'll also need to update debian/create-orig-from-git [17:47] jpatrick: ~git would still be < [17:47] actually [17:47] apachelogger_: I said that ;) [17:47] I'd like to have it in revu [17:47] good point [17:48] apachelogger_: but would upstream mind? [17:48] * apachelogger_ needs more time to revu [17:48] have to head off for a meeting [17:48] jpatrick: ruphy in #oxygen [17:48] umm [17:48] apachelogger_: I'm on it [17:48] I hate to bother you again, but shouldn't it be oxygen-cursor-theme? [17:48] actually I think ruphy should import it into kde svn before we release something [17:48] smarter: can you upload to revu? [17:49] mhb: I vote for kde-cursors-theme-oxygen [17:49] there's no package called "*cursors-theme" but there are "dmz-cursor-theme" "chameleon-cursor-theme" [17:49] mhb: there's human-cursors-theme [17:49] jpatrick: themes aren't desktop depending [17:49] apachelogger_: he's not there! [17:49] jpatrick: well, I will talk to him [17:49] smarter: is there? [17:49]