[00:09] <anolis> hey guys i attempted upgrade a few minutes ago it got all the way through fine until it got to trying to update scrollkeeper, and then kinda died with 3 I/O errors complaining about not being able to load a web entity
[00:09] <anolis> so as a result most gnome related apps would not install
[00:10] <crimsun> mm Evolution can't grab my e-mail due to a field change
[00:10] <crimsun> (evolution:#####): e-data-server-ui-WARNING **: Key file does not have group 'Passwords-Mail'
[00:13] <anolis> lol the problem app seems to have fixed itself
[01:00] <anolis> dpkg: error processing flashplugin-nonfree (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:01] <crimsun> what's the actual error?
[01:01] <crimsun> and, what $ARCH?  (`uname -m`)
[01:02] <anolis> lemme post to pastebin.. hold on
[01:02] <anolis> 64bit
[01:03] <crimsun> right, known issue on 64-bit
[01:04] <crimsun> it's the ia32-libs issue
[01:04] <anolis> oh ok so a fix is probably on the way i guess lol
[01:04] <crimsun> well, it's a bit trickier than usual
[01:04] <crimsun> the source package is nearly 450 MB
[01:05] <anolis> wow
[01:05] <anolis> well it's fine i have vmware and a laptop if i absolutely need flash
[01:05] <anolis> would it work if i tunneled the firefox from my laptop through ssh?
[01:42] <amblin> :q
[02:23] <DanaG> argh, trying git compiz:  (gtk-window-decorator:25639): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_insert_internal: assertion `hash_table->ref_count > 0' failed
[03:17] <Hirvinen_> Hi. Just aptitude safe-upgraded and since there was a kernel upgrade, rebooted. Now <command> | less in bash says "bash:  less: command not found"
[03:17] <Hirvinen_> less <file> works though.
[03:18] <Hirvinen_> /usr/bin is in my path and which less says points there.
[03:19] <RAOF> Hirvinen_: bash defines all sort of funky $LESSPIPE stuff, to make less play better.
[03:19] <crdlb> well, it's weird that there are two spaces between 'bash:' and 'less:'
[03:19] <RAOF> This may be the source of the problem.  It is wierd, though.
[03:19] <crdlb> as if bash thinks the command is ' less'
[03:20] <Hirvinen_> Gee. <command> |less works.
[03:20] <Hirvinen_> Thanks.
[03:20] <RAOF> bug fililng time!
[03:20] <Hirvinen_> yyup
[03:42] <DanaG> Arfgh, my touchpad keeps forgetting where its right edge is.
[04:07] <alka_trash> how is "The Hardy"
[04:07] <alka_trash> ?
[04:53] <Hirvinen_> Interesting. "echo foo | less" => "bash:  less: command not found". But after "echo foo |less" "echo foo | less" works fine.
[04:59] <crdlb> that's quite a bug :)
[05:11] <Hirvinen_> That previous thing happens at least on bash, zsh, tcsh but not on dash(it doesn't start working.)
[05:17] <Hirvinen_> Whoa, gets even weirder. "echo foo | less" *written* after issuing "echo foo |less" fails. It will succeed however, *if* I go back in command history to "echo foo |less" and add the space.
[05:19] <Hirvinen_> And it affects other commands as well, not just less. I just failed to notice that earlier, I guess because I just edited a prior command from less to cat.
[05:24] <Rubin> sounds like your bash environment is messed up
[05:25] <Rubin> and /or one instance of less is not what it seems
[05:28] <blkorpheus> 2.6.24-4 is broken
[05:29] <Hirvinen_> Rubin: zsh, tcsh and dash as well
[05:29] <Rubin> Hirvinen_, maybe you have a root kit :)
[05:30] <blkorpheus> lol
[05:32] <Hirvinen_> And why on earth would they break my pipes?
[05:32] <Rubin> they play tricks with the path to hide their tools
[05:33] <Rubin> sometimes less is one of the things monkied with so you cant see their kit
[05:36] <Hirvinen_> Hmm...
[05:37] <Hirvinen_> Well, the broken thing isn't less, as a lot of other commands exhibit similar behavior when preceded by "| "
[08:03] <Sebastian> Any idea how I can get rid off these errors during package upgrades: http://phpfi.com/290082
[08:06] <Hobbsee> got US langpacks installed on your system?
[08:24] <Sebastian> Hobbsee: Let me check. At least I did not uninstall them.
[08:31] <Sebastian> Hobbsee: Looks like it was uninstalled by some package upgrade. Installing it would break OOo, though.
[08:31] <Hobbsee> that'll be why, then.
[08:32] <Sebastian> I wonder if I should reinstall from scratch using the current Hardy image.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> wouldn't bother
[08:33] <Hobbsee> it'll be likely listed as uninstallable
[08:33] <Hobbsee> so should get fixed
[08:33] <Sebastian> Okay.
[08:43] <Oli```> oo new kernel?
[08:45] <Oli```> Hey, I've got a AMD64 chip. I want to be on 32bit until Flash, Java and other people feel the need to release their stuff properly, but which version of the Kernel should I be on? -generic or -386 ?
[08:47] <geser> Oli```: -generic
[08:47] <Oli```> Why's that? (I'm not questioning the validity of the answer, just curious)
[08:49] <geser> -i386 is for those who have a problem with -generic, it has some options disabled like nosmp
[08:51] <Oli```> *THAT'S* why I've only got one core of my processor working at the moment! D'oh! Yeah I set the graphics up in -386 and couldn't be arsed going through all that again for -generic... Plus -386 was the default for the alpha3 install... I've just checked and this update made -generic the default
[08:51] <lemonade> is -generic optimized for i586 or i686?
[08:51] <Oli```> Thanks for your help geser
[08:53] <geser> lemonade: I guess no specific optimization so it can work on all processors (i586,i686,k7,k8,etc.)
[08:53] <lemonade> ok
[09:27] <Oli``> He I was just about to restart onto the new kernel and then I thought about the graphics driver headache (need to use default driver, then get and install restricted driver, configure and restart) but could I install the restricted driver *before* I restarted? Ie install the driver for kernel -4 while I'm still on -3?
[09:29] <nanonyme> normal Linux way probably yes but i have no idea what the restricted driver management part of Ubuntu actually does
[09:32] <Oli``> No, me neither... oh well looks like it's 10 minutes of mucking around with graphics drivers for me then =(
[09:44] <Oli``> guys how do I maximise a window without a mouse?
[09:45] <Oli``> if you could type a few more lines in so I could see the answer, that would be greatly appreciated... I can't see the bottom of my xchat window =(
[09:47] <Amaranth> Oli``: Alt-Spacebar pulls up the window menu
[09:47] <Amaranth> line
[09:47] <Amaranth> line
[09:47] <Amaranth> line
[09:47] <Amaranth> :P
[09:48] <Oli``> Oh I can't see what you wrote >_<
[09:49] <lemonade> :)
[09:50] <Ryuho> how do i copy stuff from ssh connection to my local machine?
[09:50] <lemonade> use sftp or scp
[09:51] <Oli``> The damned menu doesn't work lol... okay back to -3 for me
[10:01] <Oli``> well this is just splendiferous. I'm stuck in 640*480!
[10:01] <Oli``> With no mouse!
[10:02] <Oli``> Hell, there's no room for a mouse at this res
[10:02] <Oli``> But I can see the whole of xchat... and I have compiz to keep me company
[10:05] <Oli``> Is there a x-Armageddon command I can let off to nuke my X into a nice default so I can a) have my mouse back and b) use a decent res?
[10:21] <Oli``> Well I should have used some common sense there... Restoring a backup of my xorg.conf worked...
[10:59] <spike> hi, just wondering if someone could comment on this, hardy installer doesnt give me an option to create an encrypted lvm volume. is that expected?
[12:07] <aslan> I just upgraded from Gutsy on my laptop, it has an nVidia 8600m GT... rebooted, and now when loading all I get is a white screen... any ideas?
[12:28] <DeepB> aslan: try #ubuntu, for Gutsy issues
[12:29] <beerockxs> is java broken in hardy?
[12:29] <beerockxs> meaning sun-java6-jre
[12:30] <void^> worksforme
[12:30] <beerockxs> eclipse works, but starting any app using "java -jar app.jar makes java crash
[12:31] <void^> if it's a gui app, you might need LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true (in your environment)
[12:31] <beerockxs> e.g.: http://pastebin.com/m202c9f03
[12:31] <beerockxs> yes, it is a GUI app
[12:32] <void^> yes, just export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true first
[12:32] <beerockxs> void^: ok, thanks. can you explain why?
[12:33] <void^> bug in java - the old xlib doesn't care about it, but xcb does.
[12:33] <void^> see http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6532373 for details
[12:34] <beerockxs> void^: thanks
[13:42] <JoeLinux117> Does anyone know where the Hardy Server Sparc release is?
[13:42] <JoeLinux117> I'm trying to test the Alpha release, but it's nowhere to be found on the Tracker website.
[13:44] <JoeLinux117> Is there a Hardy Sever Sparc release at all?
[13:59] <JoeLinux117> Does anyone know if there's going to be a Hardy Desktop Sparc?
[14:01] <JoeLinux117> Ok...
[14:32] <Sonja> what are the main differences/improvements with hardy vs gutsy
[14:32] <Sonja> !hardy
[14:32] <ubotu> hardy is Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - CONSIDER IT TO BE PRE BETA (ALPHA) SOFTWARE - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[14:33] <stdin> difference? Gutsy is stable, Hardy is not
[14:33] <Sonja> i mean, when hardy is released
[14:33] <Sonja> it will be stable at that point
[14:33] <Sonja> will it not?
[14:33] <stdin> it will, yes
[14:34] <Sonja> what are the biggest changes i will notice or like, as a person woh used to use winxp
[14:34] <stdin> who knows, the features aren't all in place yet and not all finalised. it's still in development
[14:35] <Tomcat_> Sonja: I think that question is better suited for #ubuntu ;)
[14:35]  * Hobbsee suggests actually reading the release notes for the alphas, on ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com before asking silly questions like that.
[14:35] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: The release notes aren't that good last time I checked... the Beta wiki pages are *much* better. :D
[14:36] <Hobbsee> Tomcat_: feel free to help out with them.
[14:36] <Tomcat_> Hobbsee: Oh, sorry... I'm wrong. :)
[14:36] <Tomcat_> Just looked at them again and see that there's a wiki page for changes.
[14:36] <Hobbsee> yes, which are linked off the release mails
[14:37] <Tomcat_> Sonja: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3
[14:38] <Tomcat_> Sonja: Best is to just try it out. LiveCDs don't hurt. But use 7.10, not hardy (which is in development)
[14:38] <Sonja> thanks
[14:49] <tifine> when i m on text mode in ubuntu why its doesnt show onthe full screen it only shows in the middle of the screen
[14:49] <tifine> I mean the actual text!
[14:50] <void^> laptop/tft?
[14:50] <tifine> laptop
[14:51] <void^> then i'd guess it's not running at the native resolution of the display and the laptop isn't scaling it up. my old ibm laptop used to do that, though there was some fn-combination to make it scale (ugly).
[14:52] <tifine> !fn-combination
[14:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fn-combination - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:53] <tifine> void^: fn-combination
[14:58] <mrtimdog> What's the difference between 'stroke' and 'fill' in the Annotate compiz pluging?
[17:26] <MGrunde> What seems to be the problem with apparmor in alpha 2/3?
[17:32] <WorkingOnWise> doesn't sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg allow me to set up my video card and monitor?
[17:36] <WorkingOnWise> any idea why it stops after it get done with keyboard setup?
[17:54] <WorkingOnWise> can someone tell me why my xorg.conf looks like this?  http://pastebin.ca/857448
[18:01] <UnNaturalHigh> where should I file bug reports related to hardy?
[18:02] <blkorpheus> wow
[18:03] <blkorpheus> try googling that question
[18:03] <blkorpheus> you could probably take a guss and be right
[18:03] <blkorpheus> guess
[18:03] <silent> what stage is hardy at right now?
[18:03] <silent> for development
[18:04] <timing> seriously, why is update-manager putting error windows on wrong workspaces?
[18:04] <blkorpheus> google it
[18:04] <blkorpheus> have not seen such behavior
[18:04] <timing> hmm
[18:05] <timing> you can test it now i think
[18:05] <timing> if i click partial upgrade now
[18:05] <timing> and go back to this workspace
[18:05] <blkorpheus> "partial upgrade"?
[18:05] <timing> yeah
[18:05] <blkorpheus> I don't do partials
[18:05] <blkorpheus> I just did a full upgrade
[18:06] <timing> that's what the package maneger tells me
[18:06] <blkorpheus> If I were you, I would not
[18:06] <timing> "Not all updates can be installed"
[18:06] <blkorpheus> stick with Gutsy
[18:06] <timing> i'm already 2 weeks on hardy
[18:06] <blkorpheus> because if you are having issues upgrading, thenyou will have a rough time
[18:07] <blkorpheus> wow
[18:07] <blkorpheus> 2 weeks on a partially upgraded system
[18:07] <blkorpheus> I don't see how
[18:07] <timing> it's just one package
[18:07] <blkorpheus> which package?
[18:07] <timing> this upgrading bug was 4 times in launchpad already
[18:08] <timing> anyway, the errormsg will apear on the wrong workspace
[18:08] <timing> minimized
[18:08] <timing> this libflickrnet
[18:09] <timing> blkorpheus: but my first upgrade to hardy was successful
[18:09] <timing> and the updates after that as well
[18:09] <timing> until this flickrnet came
[18:09] <blkorpheus> ah
[18:09] <blkorpheus> thats an issue for everyone
[18:09] <blkorpheus> google it, and you'll see there is a bug report for it
[18:10] <timing> yeah i just said there were 4
[18:10] <timing> but update errors are okay with my
[18:10] <timing> i'm not whining about those
[18:10] <timing> i'm whining about the error windows which apear at weird places
[18:12] <blkorpheus> have not seen weird errors at odd places
[18:18] <timing> blkorpheus: are you using compiz?
[18:18] <timing> maybe that's putting windows on wrong places
[18:18] <blkorpheus> of course I am
[18:19] <blkorpheus> My system runs damn near perfect
[18:19] <blkorpheus> better than gutsy forsure
[18:33] <rama_8086> hi
[18:33] <rama_8086> to all
[18:35] <WorkingOnWise> can someone tell me why my xorg.conf looks like this?  http://pastebin.ca/857448. I have already done sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and sudo dpkg-reconfigure-phigh xserver-xorg, and cleared the xorg.conf and reran each. still no change. It will go thru the keyboard part, then exit. I have also added             Driver     "nv"  to the Device section, under the Identifier, as recommended here http://pastebin.ca/857481
[18:38] <ToxinPowe> WorkingOnWise, are you screen and graphics preferences empty?
[18:40] <ToxinPowe> I use hardy in vbox and I dont have change my resolution, I think its a bug
[18:40] <ToxinPowe> and Im waiting for upgrades
[18:41] <WorkingOnWise> ToxinPowe: not emty, but they say "Configured Device" and sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg exits after the keyboard section
[18:42] <ToxinPowe> empty Screen and Graphics preferences in Administration menu, not xorg
[18:43] <WorkingOnWise> ToxinPowe: oh...yes they are.
[18:44] <ToxinPowe> I think that is the same problem
[19:02] <timing> what's this evolution-data-server thing doing on 100% of one cpu?
[19:47] <WorkingOnWise> if I copy my /var/cache/apt/archives to a new installation, and then do « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade », will apt-get still try to download all 1613 packages, or just the ones newer than in the cache?
[20:28] <wobblywu> dependencies*
[21:36] <DarkMageZ> lol, gotta love hardy breakage ^-^. the new evolution packages break sending & receiving emails for some people =D
[21:47] <hydrogen> mm
[21:47] <hydrogen> its evolution
[21:47] <hydrogen> what do youe xpect
[22:07] <mp10> are packages in 8.10 reviewed by the ubuntu security team?
[22:11] <crdlb> mp10: 8.10 doesn't exist yet
[22:12] <crdlb> 7.10 is the latest release, and 8.04 is in development