[00:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183381 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "konqueror-kde4 browsing in kde 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183381
[00:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183382 in claws-mail (universe) "[MoM SYNC] claws-mail 3.2.0-2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183382
[00:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183384 in octave2.9 (universe) "[hardy] octave 3.0 is out" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183384
[00:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183385 in python-wsgiref (universe) "Please remove python-wsgiref from Hardy" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183385
[00:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183386 in firefox (main) "instalado Flashplayer 9 no carga bien los graficos y links en flash de http://www.telmex.com/mx/" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183386
[01:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183388 in ubuntu "gutsygibbon upgrade tool unable to fetch wine/lowvoice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183388
[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183389 in syslog-ng (universe) "[SECURITY] CVE-2007-6437 prone to denial of service attack" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183389
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183390 in kdenetwork-kde4 (universe) "Kopete in KDE4 not shows any contact photo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183390
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183392 in cupsys (main) "[gutsy] cupsys does not start after avahi upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183392
[01:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183397 in ubuntu ""system restart required" while running as liveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183397
[02:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183402 in deluge-torrent (universe) "deluge crashed with TypeError in show() (dup-of: 183150)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183402
[02:06] <greg-g> live cds don't check for package upgrades right?
[02:07] <greg-g> (as in you shouldn't get a message about there being updates to Ubuntu)
[02:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183405 in ubuntu "no "low battery" warning running live CD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183405
[02:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183407 in karrigell (universe) "package karrigell-demo 2.3.3-1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183407
[02:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183409 in ubuntu "kde-guidance-powermanager does not initiate suspend" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183409
[02:55]  * pochu hugs bdmurray and goes to bed :)
[02:56]  * bdmurray hugs pochu
[02:56] <pochu> bddebian: btw my bugsquad membership is about to expire :)
[02:56] <bdmurray> pochu: I thought I fixed that this morning
[02:56] <pochu> Maybe. I didn't receive a message, but let me have a look
[02:57] <pochu> I thought launchpad would mail me if my membership was renewed
[02:57] <ubotu> New bug: #183408 in startupmanager "startup manager failure in HH 3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183408
[02:57] <bdmurray> I'm double checking
[02:58] <pochu> bdmurray: looks like, thanks!
[02:59] <bdmurray> okay cool
[03:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183410 in ubuntu "Vertical dot lines appears on the screen near the end of the live cd installation process (Weybridge)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183410
[03:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183411 in esound (main) "libesd leaks pipe file descriptors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183411
[03:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183413 in cryptsetup (main) "cryptsetup luksFormat can't find key file with a period in name" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183413
[03:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183415 in koffice2 (universe) "koffice 2 alpha 6 keyboard shortcut ctrl-shift-f doesn't go to fullscreen." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183415
[03:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183416 in ubuntu "screen is enlarged very much when I enable my graphics card(NVDIA card)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183416
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183418 in amavisd-new (universe) "MIR for amavisd-new" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183418
[04:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183420 in ubuntu "cann't launch processes list in Hardy Heron" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183420
[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183424 in gtkpod (universe) "Adding multiple songs from a CIFS share has resulted in random MP3 splicing" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183424
[05:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183425 in firefox-3.0 (universe) "invalid SSL certificate page provides no way to trust the site certificate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183425
[05:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183426 in ubiquity (main) "[hardy] alpha-3: i386 desktop cd - partition gui hangs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183426
[05:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183427 in rhythmbox (main) "Rhythmbox visualization button restarts computer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183427
[05:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183428 in ubuntu "Boot fails with 2.6.24-4 with initramfs error on hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183428
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183430 in ubuntu "firefox freezing after latest hardy updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183430
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183431 in ubuntu "bible time 1.6.4 crashes " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183431
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183434 in openoffice.org-l10n (main) "ooo-ln10-de rejects to be installed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183434
[06:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183435 in kde4-style-qtcurve (universe) "Upgrade qtcurve packages to 0.55.2" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183435
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183436 in ubuntu "nautilus-debug-log.txt appears on log-in and /home folders on desktop even after gconf-editor" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183436
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183437 in ubuntu "Commands preceded by a pipe *and* a space("| ") are not found" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183437
[06:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183439 in kde4libs (universe) "klauncher crashed with SIGSEGV in <signal handler called>() (dup-of: 141418)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183439
[06:47] <Hirvinen_> (Just posted "Commands preceded by a pipe *and* a space("| ") are not found" https://launchpad.net/bugs/183437 ). I'll be happy to try help solving it, if anybody has ideas as to where to start looking.
[06:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183437 in ubuntu "Commands preceded by a pipe *and* a space("| ") are not found" [Undecided,New]
[06:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183441 in bluetooth-alsa (universe) "SCO patch not in kernel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183441
[07:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183443 in totem (main) "Only beginning of certain mp3s are played" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183443
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183444 in ubuntu "knotify crashed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183444
[07:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183445 in linux-meta (main) "brightness doesn't work properly when thinkpad_acpi is compiled as module" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183445
[07:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183446 in mysql-query-browser "mysql-query-browser doesn't appear after connection is made" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183446
[07:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183447 in rhythmbox (main) "rhythmbox should understand .wpl playlists (SMIL format)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183447
[07:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183448 in ubuntu "no warning when saving in a place that survives a restart normally, but now doesn't as you're running the liveCD" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183448
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183449 in ubuntu "CD re-spinning required while running liveCD on machine with loads of memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183449
[07:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183450 in ubuntu "system crashes after 3-8 minutes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183450
[08:20] <parthan> bug 183443
[08:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183443 in totem "Only beginning of certain mp3s are played" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183443
[08:26] <parthan> will i be able to attach the mp3 file with which we can reproduce the bug in totem? if yes, how?
[08:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183453 in avahi (main) "avahi doesn't work until manually restarted" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183453
[09:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183455 in empathy (universe) "Hardy's version of empathy is showing off-line contacts before on-line ones." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183455
[09:19] <ubotu> New bug: #183456 in awesfx (universe) "Trying to load a sf2 file with asfxload returns "sfxload: no memory left" " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183456
[09:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183457 in avahi (main) "printing stops working after avahi update to 0.6.20-2ubuntu3.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183457
[09:37] <ubotu> New bug: #183458 in inkscape (main) "reproducible: inkscape crashes when undoing empty text field" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183458
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183460 in ubuntu "Gutsy cannot connect via a proxy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183460
[10:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183461 in ubuntu "ksoftirqd/1 using 50% CPU or above" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183461
[10:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183463 in evolution (main) "duplicate anniversary in calendar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183463
[10:13] <parthan> what do you do when you find a bug looks more like a feature request :s
[10:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183464 in transmission (main) "Increase visual integration with gnome" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183464
[10:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183467 in transmission (main) "Save some space in the GUI" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183467
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183468 in rsync (main) "rsync aborts because of glibc free(): invalid pointer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183468
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183469 in sysstat (universe) "main inclusion report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183469
[10:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183471 in telepathy-salut (universe) "Please sync telepathy-salut 0.2.0-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183471
[10:32] <fishor> parthan: if you have permission, set Importace = Wishlist
[10:38] <Kirrus> parthan, if you don't have permission, set it as "confirmed", assign it to the correct team, and let them / the maintainers handle it
[10:43] <parthan> fishor, Kirrus thanks :)
[10:45] <parthan> there is a bug regarding live cd, which package should i put it under?
[10:47] <fishor> to the buggy application
[10:47] <parthan> ok
[10:47] <ubotu> New bug: #183478 in openoffice.org (main) "package openoffice.org-base-core None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/openoffice.org-base-core.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/openoffice/program/libdba680lx.so', which is also in package openoffice.org-core" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183478
[10:49] <ubotu> New bug: #183476 in kdebase (main) "can't configure newly created panels" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183476
[10:49] <ubotu> New bug: #183477 in ubuntu "Byte compression error in update manager(Based on question #22248)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183477
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183470 in openoffice.org (main) ""send document as email open office document" problem when document name is greek the attachment name is rubish" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183470
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183472 in ubuntu "while on AC "battery fully loaded" repetitively shown" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183472
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183473 in transmission (main) "show thumbnails next to torrents" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183473
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183474 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "iwl4965 can't reconnect if AP is lost and then comes back" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183474
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183475 in pitivi (universe) "Please upgrade to 0.11.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183475
[11:09]  * stelt reported 6 bugs, but as the installer is one of them, there might not come more :-(
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183479 in debian-installer (main) "installer hangs on partitioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183479
[11:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183480 in ubuntu "Xubuntu 7.10: command "xflock4" fails" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183480
[11:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183440 in nautilus "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in nautilus_file_get_activation_uri()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183440
[11:27] <ubotu> New bug: #183422 in eog (main) "eog crashed with signal 7 in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183422
[11:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183483 in evolution (main) "From line in message list does not handle embedded encoding" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183483
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183484 in update-manager (main) "Cannot upgrade from Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183484
[11:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183485 in kvm (universe) "kvm can not boot Ubuntu guest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183485
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183486 in gnome-screensaver (main) "gnome-screensaver locks up randomly when unlocking screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183486
[12:08] <ubotu> New bug: #183487 in gnome-power-manager (main) "package gnome-power-manager 2.21.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 134" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183487
[12:08] <ubotu> New bug: #183488 in transmission (main) "ditch the "status bar", move that info to the real status bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183488
[12:08] <ubotu> New bug: #183489 in ubuntu "command "xfce4-popup-menu" opens the wrong popup menu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183489
[12:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183492 in ubuntu "Include Komodo Edit in repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183492
[12:27] <parthan> tuxmaniac,
[12:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183493 in ubuntu "Xubuntu 7.10 German translation error / resp. typo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183493
[12:35] <exodos> gutsy kernel was upgraded to version 2.6.22-14.46, but Packages file in main/debian-installer/binary-i386/ haven't been updated. Can anyone take care of this?
[12:35] <exodos> I mean 2.6.22-14.47
[12:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183494 in gksu (main) "gksudo: nepřesný překlad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183494
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183495 in openbios-sparc (universe) "[FTBFS] openbios-sparc (1.0~alpha2+20070816-1) fails to build in hardy" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183495
[12:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183496 in kdebase-kde4 (universe) "toolbar misbehavour konqueror kde4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183496
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183497 in transmission (main) "implement libnotify support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183497
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183498 in pcsc-lite (universe) "pscsd doesn't start anymore " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183498
[12:54] <ubotu> New bug: #183500 in transmission (main) "detect when a downloaded torrent has been removed" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183500
[12:54] <ubotu> New bug: #183501 in transmission (main) "some way to tell finished torrents from unfinished ones" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183501
[13:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183507 in transmission (main) "remove a torrent using the delete key" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183507
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183502 in ubuntu "[hardy] Intel graphics (965) slowed down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183502
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183505 in ubuntu "screensaver / monitor off not stopped by touchpad" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183505
[13:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183506 in transmission (main) "offer to delete the file when you remove a torrent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183506
[13:07] <ubotu> New bug: #160861 in ubuntustudio "DVD should be recognized as upgrade volume" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/160861
[13:08] <ubotu> New bug: #183396 in libvisual-plugins (universe) "totem crashed with SIGSEGV in render_blur()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183396
[13:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183508 in ubuntu "update tools stop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183508
[13:24] <ubotu> New bug: #183511 in xkeyboard-config (main) "New keyboard layout – LEKP" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183511
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183499 in evolution "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183499
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183512 in update-manager (main) "update-manager crash with parse error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183512
[13:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183513 in openafs (universe) "openafs sysctl table check on amd64, 2.6.24" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183513
[13:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183514 in seahorse (universe) "[hardy] seahorse agent no longer asks for the passphrase" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183514
[13:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183515 in qucs (universe) "[SYNC REQUEST] qucs 0.0.13-1 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183515
[13:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183509 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse crashed with SIGSEGV in glade_xml_get_widget()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183509
[13:49] <ubotu> New bug: #183517 in ubuntu "Hard Heron Alpha three unable to boot in Virtual PC 2007" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183517
[13:50] <Hobbsee> debian bug 451848
[13:50] <ubotu> Debian bug 451848 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "doesn't pick right BACKLIGHT_CONTROL for p7120 laptop" [Normal,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/451848
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183519 in update-manager (main) "update-mangager won't upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183519
[14:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183520 in telepathy-mission-control (universe) "Please sync telepathy-mission-control 4.55-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183520
[14:01] <ubotu> New bug: #179001 in gnome-screensaver (main) "slideshow crashed with SIGSEGV in gdk_gc_set_clip_rectangle()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179001
[14:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183521 in gnome-terminal (main) "Hardy Heron gnome terminal missing menu bar" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183521
[14:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183523 in evolution (main) "tasks that recur on completion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183523
[14:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183527 in clamtk (universe) "no virus definition files in clamtk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183527
[14:31] <ubotu> New bug: #181324 in openoffice.org (main) "Open office crashes with Crux Theme" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/181324
[14:31] <bddebian> Boo
[14:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183529 in junit (main) "Please sync latest version from Debian" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183529
[14:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183534 in gnome-panel (main) "'Context menu > Close' from a window selector (bottom panel) doesn't close all apps" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183534
[15:02] <rbs-tito> Is anyone here?
[15:03] <rbs-tito> If I want to apply to QA, should I create a portfolio on my wiki page, or do they just check my recent activity?
[15:05] <persia> rbs-tito: I'd recommend tracking on your wiki anyway, especially the bugs where you think you did an especially good job.  Once the count gets high, it's hard to tell the difference between an easy one and a more involved one from the automated reports.
[15:05] <persia> rbs-tito: On the other hand, the process was different when I joined, so my advice might not be 100% correct.
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183533 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_is_a() (dup-of: 177189)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183533
[15:06] <ubotu> New bug: #183536 in libapache2-mod-auth-openid (universe) "[Sync request] Please sync libapache2-mod-auth-openid 0.1-5 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183536
[15:06] <hggdh> rbs-tito: best one to answer is bdmurray, I think
[15:07] <hggdh> but keep a list of your "best" bugs, it should be asked for
[15:07] <rbs-tito> OK
[15:08] <rbs-tito> I'll have to dig it up
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183537 in totem (main) "win codec 9 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183537
[15:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183538 in nautilus (main) "Menus and buttons doesn't works" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183538
[15:31] <rbs-tito> What other information do I need for bug 180423?
[15:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180423 in ubuntu "Keyboard not functioning in X" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180423
[15:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183543 in gnome-games (main) "tali crashes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183543
[15:36] <persia> rbs-tito: It'd be interesting to know if the keyboard works in the console: helps to differentiate xinput issues from kernel issues.
[15:37] <bdmurray> persia: I think he fell off
[15:37] <persia> bddebian: I'm certain of it.  My habit is to answer anyway, in case the information is useful to anyone else.  Is that discouraged here?
[15:37] <bdmurray> persia: No, not all all.
[15:38] <persia> bdmurray: Thanks (and sorry for the nick collision) ;)
[15:39] <bddebian> Yeah, rat bastard! ;-P
[15:40]  * persia attempts to avoid parallel conversations with bd* in the future.
[15:42] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: for applying to the bug control team a portfolio, of 5 bugs, is ideal
[15:42] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: Thank you
[15:43] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: no problem - there is information about it at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugControl
[15:44] <ubotu> New bug: #183544 in mathomatic (universe) "Please sync mathomatic 12.7.7-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183544
[15:45] <persia> rbs-tito: You're back: about the keyboard issue: might want to check if it works in console to differentiate an X bug from a kernel bug.
[15:45] <rbs-tito> persia: Good point
[15:45] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: regarding the keyboard bug testing with Hardy would be interesting too.
[15:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183545 in ubuntu "Failed to iniciate with kernels: 2.6.24.2 / 2.6.24.3 / 2.6.24.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183545
[15:47] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: How's he going to get to a command line from the live cd?
[15:47] <rbs-tito> ** / persia
[15:48] <bdmurray> Ctrl+Alt+F1 would work if the keyboard worked.  Alternatively booting into single user mode.
[15:48] <persia> That's trickier.  Does ctrl-alt-f2 not work?  I thought there were 4 VTs enabled from the liveCD.
[15:48] <rbs-tito> The keyboard doesn't work though :S
[15:48] <rbs-tito> persia: No keyboard, and that doesn't quit X it just suspends it
[15:49] <persia> rbs-tito: single-user then.
[15:49] <rbs-tito> persia: From th ctrl alt f2, you can switch back to X with ctrl alt f7
[15:49] <rbs-tito> From a GRUB prompt?
[15:50] <stelt> In the last few days i've reported about a dozen bugs, but some are not in my list. how come?
[15:51] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: edit the kernel boot options, probably removing quit and splash and adding single
[15:51] <rbs-tito> ok
[15:51] <rbs-tito> quiet is twice in them right?
[15:52] <bdmurray> I don't think so on the LiveCD
[15:53]  * rbs-tito can't remember the livecd
[15:53] <rbs-tito> Do you just type the commands into the bottom?
[15:53] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: I'll check if you can wait a minute
[15:54] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: I can do it, I have a hardy alpha 2 cd
[15:54] <rbs-tito> It hasn't changed right?
[15:54] <bdmurray> No, that bit won't.
[15:54] <rbs-tito> ok
[15:54] <rbs-tito> be back soon
[15:57] <rbs-tito> You press f6
[15:57] <rbs-tito> and it is only listed once
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183541 in gnome-applets (main) "gweather-applet-2 crashed with SIGSEGV in gtk_tree_model_get_valist()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183541
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183546 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] speedtouch 110 pcmcia wifi card driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183546
[16:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183547 in inkscape (main) "Inkscape sould be linked against gtkspell" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183547
[16:03] <rbs-tito> bug 183546 is asking to package non gpl, possibly copyright, code
[16:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183546 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] speedtouch 110 pcmcia wifi card driver" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183546
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183548 in mscore (universe) "No package in repositories" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183548
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183549 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] eduke32" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183549
[16:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183550 in ubuntu "kguitar need kdebase-bin but this is not a dependence" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183550
[16:05] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: it might be worth documenting boot options on the live cd
[16:06] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: On the wiki?
[16:06] <bdmurray> rbs-tito: right, I'm not quite sure where it would fit well though
[16:06] <bdmurray> maybe DebuggingLiveCD ?
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183551 in ubuntu "[New Package Sync] easy-spice 0.6.8-1  from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183551
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183552 in supercollider (universe) "update to version 3.1.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183552
[16:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183554 in gurlchecker (universe) "Please sync gurlchecker 0.10.2-1  (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183554
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183553 in kguitar (universe) "kguitar crash when you open gp3 (guitarpro) file." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183553
[16:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183555 in terminator (universe) "README file has unclear shorcuts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183555
[16:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183556 in ubuntu "gnome-appearanc stais running after closing window " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183556
[16:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183557 in ubuntu "10.7 LiveCD Installation :: Status Window Becomes Minimized/Unusable if ever "X-ed Out"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183557
[16:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183561 in gnome-applets (main) "Failed to load Localtions XML in Weather Report" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183561
[16:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183562 in kguitar (universe) "tuxguitar need package sun-java6-jre but this is not installed automatically" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183562
[16:49] <Iuli> Hi all. One simple question...
[16:50] <Iuli> What should we do when someone reports a bug without useful information and they don't answer to our requests? That is after we set the bug to Incomplete and assign the bug to us. I know that we should set the status to Invalid after four weeks but should we keep the bug assigned if we don't get any reply from the bug reporter?
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183563 in flashplugin-nonfree (multiverse) "[hardy] amd64 libselinux.so.1 missing?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183563
[16:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183564 in flightgear (universe) "Please sync flightgear 1.0.0-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183564
[16:51] <persia> Iuli: Keeping the bug assigned is a handy way to track them.  Try sorting your assigned bugs by least recently touched once a week to identify the invalid ones, and by most recently touched to identify ones that received an update.  Might not need assignment anymore once it becomes invalid.
[16:54] <Iuli> persia: Aww, ok, thanks for the info.
[16:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183566 in displayconfig-gtk (main) "displayconfig-gtk crashed with IndexError in _syncXorgConfig() (dup-of: 144769)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183566
[16:55] <rbs-tito> bdmurray: I'll look into it now
[17:11] <ubotu> New bug: #183567 in ubuntu "nvidia settings not right" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183567
[17:16] <ubotu> New bug: #183568 in network-manager (main) "Gutsy network-manager causes OS to freeze on system restart or power down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183568
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183570 in clamtk (universe) "[upgrade] ClamTk" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183570
[17:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183571 in stella (multiverse) "please update stella to 2.4.2 version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183571
[17:32] <bdmurray> calc: Is bug 180856 a duplicate of something?
[17:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180856 in openoffice.org "Open office file format selector is messy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180856
[17:33] <calc> bdmurray: i don't think it is
[17:34] <bdmurray> hmm, it sounded familiar to me.  I'll look around
[17:35] <bdmurray> yeah, launchpad! bug 81815 is the one it seems
[17:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81815 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org "filter selection" dialog is confusing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81815
[17:36] <bdmurray> calc: Is that an upstream issue or a distro issue?
[17:37] <calc> bdmurray: would appear to be upstream issue
[17:45] <ubotu> New bug: #183572 in gnumeric (main) "should be able to save custom Sort methods" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183572
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183419 in supertux (universe) "supertux2 crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183419
[17:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183573 in ubuntu "No action aftre bootloader" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183573
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183575 in alsa-driver (main) "toshiba satellite a210-158 no sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183575
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183585 in network-manager-vpnc (universe) "network-manager-vpnc resolvconf conflict" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183585
[18:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183586 in ttf-ancient-fonts (universe) "[Sync Request] ttf-ancient-fonts 2.01-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183586
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183583 in evolution (main) "evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in task_widget_new_from_activity_info() (dup-of: 183499)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183583
[18:25] <ubotu> New bug: #183587 in rhythmbox (main) "Firefox foxytunes extension doesn't work with Rhythmbox" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183587
[18:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183588 in linux (main) "[hardy] linux-image-2.6.24-4-generic - spurious 8259A interrupt: IRQ7 - Driver b43 - Driver sis900" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183588
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #183592 in evolution (main) "Evolution stopped responding after text paste" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183592
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #183593 in slune (universe) "slune crashed with GLError in _soya.render() (dup-of: 131026)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183593
[18:42] <ubotu> New bug: #183594 in mm3d (universe) "[Sync Request] mm3d 1.3.6-1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183594
[18:51] <ubotu> New bug: #183589 in imagemagick (main) "[Hardy] identify crashed with SIGSEGV in realloc()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183589
[18:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183596 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "mysqld-safe consumes 100% cpu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183596
[18:58] <bdmurray> I've started a Debugging OpenOffice wiki page at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingOpenOffice
[18:59] <bdmurray> and I've added the bug tags for OpenOffice and bug 81815 as a known bug
[18:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81815 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org "filter selection" dialog is confusing" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81815
[18:59] <bdmurray> I thought we could add things we discover today there
[19:00] <bdmurray> One thing I've noticed is that getting a test document for the bug can be helpful
[19:01] <ogasawara> bdmurray: cool, sounds good
[19:01] <fishor> i think i need wiki page about debuging qemu/kvm
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183597 in apturl (main) "Firefox 3.0 support" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183597
[19:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183598 in filezilla (universe) "Upstream changelog not installed" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183598
[19:02] <bdmurray> fishor: I think kvm is something the server team is working on so checking with them might be a good idea
[19:02] <fishor> kvm on intel will have a lot of more bugs, so we need predescription howto debug it
[19:02] <fishor> ok
[19:03] <bdmurray> that makes sense - I think the server team has an irc and / or mailing list
[19:12] <bdmurray> calc: I've recreated bug 180047 but I am not sure it is an openoffice bug.  Is it?
[19:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180047 in openoffice.org "linux libertine is underline by default in OpenOffice.org" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180047
[19:15] <calc> bdmurray: that may be go-oo specific so probably shouldn't upstream it
[19:16] <bdmurray> What I meant was I went to System -> Preferences -> Appearnce and saw a non-underlined font but openoffice only shows the underlined.  I'm uncertain which package the bug should affect.
[19:16] <calc> oh
[19:17] <calc> bdmurray: its possible that is related to fontconfig support which i don't think is fully upstream (sun) but part of go-oo (novell)
[19:17] <calc> s/possible/highly likely/
[19:19] <bdmurray> okay and whats go-oo?
[19:19] <calc> the linux dists group that has more/less forked OpenOffice
[19:19] <calc> http://go-oo.org/
[19:20] <calc> afaik the fork doesn't have a bug tracking system for its bugs
[19:21] <bdmurray> that's uh interesting
[19:21] <calc> go-oo mostly consists of a bunch of patches that novell and other linux dists make to official OOo
[19:21] <calc> the contents of the ooo-build dir come from them (if you have looked at the ubuntu source)
[19:22] <calc> well except for the tar.bz2 files in ooo-build/src/ which are the official upstream minus any non-dfsg-free bits
[19:31] <Iuli> Should we translate and edit the description?
[19:32] <Iuli> bug 176165
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 176165 in openoffice.org "Fehler beim Drucken. " [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176165
[19:33] <bdmurray> Iuli: that would be great however also recommend to the reporter to use English in the future as it will be understood by the greatest number of people
[19:33] <Iuli> bdmurray: Ok, thanks.
[19:33] <bdmurray> by the way 'dpkg -l' often times truncates the output so 'dpkg -l package | cat' is more informative
[19:34] <Iuli> Indeed
[19:34] <subterrific> hi, i'm here to help with hug day. is anyone looking at LP#180964 yet?
[19:35] <bdmurray> I don't think so
[19:35] <Iuli> I don't.
[19:36] <ubotu> New bug: #183603 in gedit-plugins (universe) "The code comment plugin does't work with Fortran 95" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183603
[19:36] <greg-g> well, did my one bug, back to writing that paper
[19:36] <bdmurray> greg-g: thanks for helping!
[19:37] <greg-g> bdmurray,  no worries, wish I could do more than one, but, such is life right now
[19:39] <bdmurray> subterrific: Are you going to look at that one?
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183604 in ubuntu "SD card reader hangs bootup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183604
[19:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183606 in dillo (universe) "Please sync dillo 0.8.6-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183606
[19:42] <Iuli> bdmurray: Translated
[19:42] <subterrific> bdmurray: yes, i'm looking at it right now
[19:43] <subterrific> bdmurray: looks like i have to install a JRE before i can reproduce it. i'm working on a fresh vmware install of hardy right now
[19:44] <bdmurray> Iuli: thanks for doing that!
[19:45] <Iuli> Np
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183608 in evolution (main) "(Hardy) Evolution does not send / receive mail after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183608
[20:01] <ubotu> New bug: #183609 in filezilla (universe) "New upstream v3.0.5.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183609
[20:14] <thekorn> Happy hug day!
[20:14] <bdmurray> Happy hug day to you too!
[20:18] <subterrific> bdmurray: so i installed a JRE and updated hardy, but i still get this: javaldx: Could not find a Java Runtime Environment! whenever i try to run ooffice
[20:19] <subterrific> bdmurray: which leaves me rather stuck on trying to reproduce that bug :\
[20:21] <Kmos> one bug left :)
[20:22] <somerville32> There is only one bug left for OO.org?
[20:22] <Iuli> Huh?
[20:22] <somerville32> Kmos, There is only one more bug left for what?
[20:23] <thekorn> small question: there are some bugs on the list which are no real bugs, the user simply does not understand how oo* works,
[20:23] <thekorn> what is the procedure in this case?
[20:23] <Kmos> somerville32: i've done one right now =)
[20:23] <Kmos> bug 44022
[20:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44022 in openoffice.org "menu short-cuts are described with "Skift" instead of "Shift"" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44022
[20:23] <Kmos> it's fixed in hardy
[20:24] <somerville32> kmos: see private query
[20:24] <subterrific> thekorn: like which one?
[20:25] <thekorn> bug 175335
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175335 in openoffice.org "spreadsheet macros are very slow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175335
[20:25] <thekorn> sorry bug 178514
[20:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178514 in openoffice.org "=TEXT() formula doesnt work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178514
[20:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183615 in gnome-utils (main) "gnome-system-log crashed with SIGSEGV in strrchr()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183615
[20:27] <ubotu> New bug: #183611 in acpi-support (main) "acpi-support not actually instlling /etc/acpi/*" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183611
[20:27] <ubotu> New bug: #183612 in evolution (main) "Cannot to connect to exchange server after today's Hardy updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183612
[20:29] <subterrific> thekorn: that sounds like a feature request
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #183617 in firefox (main) "Firefox does not follow some URLs, video plugin" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183617
[20:30] <thekorn> subterrific, I'm sorry 175335 was the wrong one, bug 178514 is a better example
[20:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 178514 in openoffice.org "=TEXT() formula doesnt work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/178514
[20:31] <subterrific> thekorn: try to get him to provide an example Excel spread sheet and an openoffice one to better describe how he/she thinks it should work
[20:33] <subterrific> thekorn: or if you know how to do what David is trying to do maybe provide an example or a link to the documentation?
[20:34] <thekorn> subterrific, and mark it as "Invalid"
[20:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183619 in ubuntu "wlan0: link is not ready" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183619
[20:37] <subterrific> bdmurray: i've updated bug 180542 since that is the problem i'm having right now also
[20:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180542 in openoffice.org "Office will not launch" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180542
[20:39] <bdmurray> subterrific: okay, I'm looking at it
[20:40] <bdmurray> calc: icedtea is the preferred jre now right?
[20:40] <ubotu> New bug: #183620 in lshw (main) "lshw writes out null characters" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183620
[20:41] <calc> bdmurray: yes/no its not in main yet
[20:41] <calc> bdmurray: so we can't build against it yet so we still have to use gcj for the time being
[20:41] <calc> bdmurray: it will be the preferred jre soon (for some unknown timeframe of soon)
[20:43] <subterrific> i thought a jre was supposed to be optional for running oo.org or is it required now?
[20:44] <bdmurray> calc: ?
[20:46] <bdmurray> subterrific: do you have openoffice.org-java-common installed?  I don't see it in your comment
[20:47] <subterrific> bdmurray: nope
[20:48] <subterrific> bdmurray: if that is required to launch openoffice then it needs to be pulled in by ubuntu-desktop
[20:50] <ubotu> New bug: #183623 in gramps (universe) "Request sync gramps 2.2.10-1 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183623
[20:52] <subterrific> bdmurray: installed openoffice.org-java-common and i no longer get the error on stdout, but ooffice still won't run
[20:54] <bdmurray> subterrific: I just tried it on Alpah 3 and I get the javadlx message but it launches fine
[20:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183624 in dput (main) "dput EOFError on ftp uploads" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183624
[20:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183625 in bgoffice (main) "bulgarian language pack won't install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183625
[20:56] <subterrific> bdmurray: strange, i installed from the a3 iso and did an update
[20:57] <subterrific> bdmurray: other than that all i've done is install icedtea and ubuntu-dev-tools
[20:58] <bdmurray> hmm are you on i386 or amd64?
[21:00] <subterrific> i386 inside vmware
[21:04] <bdmurray> I'll try recreating it but it'll take a bit
[21:04] <bdmurray> maybe calc has an idea
[21:04] <calc> looking at the bug
[21:05] <bdmurray> thanks
[21:06] <calc> subterrific: openoffice doesn't start at all?
[21:06] <subterrific> bdmurray: searching google for that error has lots of unanswered posts to mailing lists and forums with people experiencing the same issue, i'm filtering through them to see if anyone has a solution
[21:06]  * calc will remove his jre and try it
[21:06] <bdmurray> subterrific: calc is Ubuntu's openoffice.org maintainer
[21:07] <subterrific> calc: nope, i've straced it and it doesn't crash either, it runs and exits what appears to be normally
[21:07] <calc> subterrific: interesting, i am upgrading my box then will remove any jre's that OOo can see and see what it does for me
[21:07] <subterrific> calc: the only thing i can think of is that maybe i don't have enough memory allocated to vmware. i'm checking that now
[21:07] <calc> it says it will take about 20m to download the debs
[21:08] <calc> subterrific: how much did you have?
[21:09] <subterrific> calc: 512mb, that seems plenty
[21:09] <calc> yea that is probably enough
[21:10] <bdmurray> 512 is what my vm whas
[21:10] <subterrific> oh, hmm
[21:11] <subterrific> i have a hung soffice.bin process
[21:11] <calc> if you kill that does it start?
[21:16] <subterrific> calc: yes, i tried to attach gdb, but without debug info i couldn't get a very useful stack trace
[21:17] <subterrific> calc: anyway, it starts now, so yay!
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183629 in language-support-en (main) "[hardy] depends on openoffice.org-l10n-en-gb but this conflicts with openoffice-base 1:2.3.1-3ubuntu2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183629
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183630 in ubuntu "No Sound" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183630
[21:20] <subterrific> calc: is there a package with debug symbols for oo? i'm not seeing one
[21:22] <calc> subterrific: iirc someone hosts the debug packages on a different site, i'm not sure where it is though
[21:22] <calc> subterrific: and 3ubuntu2 just got built yesterday
[21:29] <bdmurray> subterrific: you might look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash
[21:29] <blueyed> subterrific: try openoffice.org-core-dbgsym from http://ddebs.ubuntu.com
[21:30]  * calc notes his upgrade is almost done
[21:38] <bdmurray> subterrific: by the way without more information from the original reporter of bug 180542 it is hard to tell if you had the same bug as them
[21:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180542 in openoffice.org "Office will not launch" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180542
[21:40] <subterrific> bdmurray: i agree, i just wanted to note that i solved my problem
[21:40] <calc> ooo still runs with java removed on my machine
[21:41] <calc> subterrific: oh your problem was due to the hung soffice.bin?
[21:41] <bdmurray> subterrific: okay, and it might help them out too
[21:41] <greg-g> bdmurray, what tag should I use for OOo Draw?  (ooo-draw ?, it isn't on the list of used tags)
[21:42] <greg-g> the issue is about opening an .odg file
[21:42] <subterrific> calc: it was definitely the hung process for me, i found a post on the Arch Linux wiki suggesting to rm -rf ~/.openoffice.org2 after a hang like that so i'm wondering if i had to do with the .lock file
[21:43] <calc> subterrific: ok
[21:43] <bdmurray> greg-g: yeah, that tag makes sense to me.  nice catch!
[21:43] <subterrific> i'm not going to worry about it unless i can reproduce it, i'm working on the python-uno doc.dispose crash now becaue i seem to remember having that problem myself and finding a fix for it
[21:44] <greg-g> I got to define a new tag! ;)
[21:44] <bdmurray> I added it to the bug tags wiki page
[21:45] <greg-g> good deal
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183633 in firefox (main) "Flash plugin does not install correctly in Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183633
[21:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183634 in gcalctool (main) "gcalctool doesn't have a Pi button" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183634
[21:48] <greg-g> bdmurray, I added it to the bugday wiki page at the top too, just fyi
[21:48] <greg-g> well, as soon as it saves that is
[21:49] <bdmurray> great!
[21:51] <bdmurray> now the poor gm script is out of sync
[21:52] <greg-g> bdmurray, btw, the Michigan loco team will be doing a bug jam tomorrow night (similar to the Packaging Jam thing we started), see the announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-mi/2008-January/000248.html
[21:53] <greg-g> I guess we should call it a "triaging jam" but "bug jam" just stuck (and sounds tasty!)
[21:54]  * greg-g leaves for class
[21:54] <thekorn> I think bug 175090 is an important one, the whole R1C1 reference thing is not working in gutsy/hardy for me
[21:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 175090 in openoffice.org "OpenOffice.org Calc: bug cells reference when using R1C1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/175090
[21:54] <bdmurray> greg-g: awesome!  I was gonna offer to join but it looks hard
[21:54] <greg-g> bdmurray, what? hard?
[21:55] <thekorn> so it is impossible to add functions etc.
[21:55] <bdmurray> well, getting to Michigan
[21:55] <greg-g> bdmurray, heh, yeah.  we will be on IRC if you want to be around at that time (starting at about 6:30 EST)
[21:56] <greg-g> but I'm not expecting it
[21:56] <greg-g> anyways, gotta run
[21:56] <bdmurray> what channel?
[21:56] <greg-g> here or in #ubuntu-us-mi
[21:56] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll be around as I'm in PST
[21:56] <greg-g> oh right, cool, thanks
[21:56]  * greg-g goes for real this time
[21:57] <bdmurray> thekorn: so you can confirm that bug report?
[21:57] <thekorn> yes
[21:58] <bdmurray> Adding the package version that you noticed it on and setting the status to Confirmed would help.  Do the steps to reproduce look good to you?
[21:59]  * bdmurray is giving it a try too
[22:00] <thekorn> yes it is reproducable with the given info
[22:00] <bdmurray> hunh, I set R1C2=A1 and it worked
[22:01] <bdmurray> granted that's wrong
[22:03] <bdmurray> I've never used this before but it seems to make the reference relative to the cell you are currently in
[22:04] <thekorn> this is strange: if you add "=A1" to a cell in this mode
[22:04] <bdmurray> ogasawara: did you see that behaviour?
[22:05] <thekorn> this is converted into the relativ notation automatically
[22:05] <bdmurray> thekorn: right I have one set to =R[-2]C[-2] and it works
[22:05] <ogasawara> bdmurray: the R1C1 bug?
[22:06] <bdmurray> ogasawara: yeah, since we all seem to be thinking / working on it
[22:06] <ogasawara> heh
[22:06] <ogasawara> yah I confirmed the bug and added a note about the version I was on
[22:07] <bdmurray> I just saw that.  I hadn't heard of the before so I am not certain what the expected behavior is
[22:10] <thekorn> it would be nice to know if this is ubuntu specific, otherwise it would make sense to report this one upstream
[22:12] <ogasawara> bdmurray: huh, so I also just tried the R1C2=A1 and it works, but if you click on the cell again you'll see it's set to =RC[-1].  and then if you try type in =RC[-1] by hand you
[22:12] <ogasawara> get the #NAME? error
[22:12] <ubotu> New bug: #183637 in pidgin (main) "pidgin crashed with SIGSEGV" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183637
[22:12] <bdmurray> right, I've seen that too
[22:13] <bdmurray> So we've identified 2 bugs I guess and 1 workaround
[22:13] <bdmurray> Reading the upstream report it seems like this is a new feature being worked on and this probably isn't a regression
[22:14] <bdmurray> ogasawara: since you confirmed it ;) do you want to add that information to the report?
[22:15] <ogasawara> do you have a link to the upstream report
[22:15] <ogasawara> but yes, I can all a blurb about the workaround etc
[22:15] <ogasawara> s/all/add
[22:15] <bdmurray> that's in comment 2 it seemed more like a feature request than a bug though
[22:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183641 in evolution (main) "evolution imap account has problems with login in" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183641
[22:16] <ogasawara> ah
[22:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183643 in seahorse (universe) "seahorse gets confused when the host key of the other machine can't be verified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183643
[22:22] <bdmurray> calc: I'm looking at bug 179230 and I've no idea how that feature is supposed to work.  What is a good place for triagers to turn for finding documentation on features?
[22:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 179230 in openoffice.org "problems with set and show variable. after change, the variables is showed displayed incorrectly (blank field)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/179230
[22:31] <ubotu> New bug: #183644 in update-manager (main) "Update manager stops after update to hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183644
[22:34] <calc> bdmurray: typically http://support.openoffice.org/index.html
[22:34] <calc> bdmurray: or the built in help, i am not sure what that particular feature does
[22:35] <calc> bdmurray: something like that sounds like an upstream bug with the details he gave about what doesn't work
[22:37]  * calc is working on getting the l10n package to build so it will resolve the new bugs wrt it
[22:37] <bdmurray> calc: doesn't upstream usually want you to test with the latest windows build?
[22:37] <calc> bdmurray: latest upstream build, can be linux or windows, as long as its not the dist's version, yes
[22:37] <calc> at least aiui it can be either
[22:38] <bdmurray> do you know if they are doing 64 bit builds yet?
[22:38] <calc> i was just stating that bug sounds like it is likely to be an upstream one
[22:38] <calc> not yet
[22:38] <bdmurray> Right, I agree I'm trying to figure out the forwarding process
[22:38] <calc> ah
[22:39] <calc> create a OOo bugzilla account
[22:39] <calc> create new bug if it isn't already filed upstream by someone else, then link back to lp
[22:40] <bdmurray> right, but ideally shouldn't we test before forwarding?
[22:41] <calc> yes
[22:41] <calc> since there are a lot of patches by ooo-build its possible to not be upstream, so its always good to test :)
[22:55] <ubotu> New bug: #183648 in udev (main) "udev needs to load before "Loading essential drivers" so firmware_helper will work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183648
[22:55] <bdmurray> calc: and is there a safe way to install both versions (Ubuntu's and upstream's) of openoffice?
[22:56] <calc> i do it in a vm myself
[22:56] <ubotu> New bug: #182827 in gnome-mplayer (multiverse) "gnome-mplayer crashed with SIGSEGV in shutdown()" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182827
[22:56] <calc> it might be possible to install upstream into /opt but i am not sure how you would verify it doesn't use any of the system's OOo libs
[22:56] <bdmurray> right
[23:00] <subterrific> calc: who do i assign python-uno bugs to?
[23:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183649 in libfile-spec-perl (universe) "Please sync libfile-spec-perl (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183649
[23:00] <bdmurray> assignment of a bug is usually taken not given.  someone would assign the bug to themselves then they are working on it
[23:01] <bdmurray> s/then/when/
[23:02] <subterrific> k, so i just mark as confirmed?
[23:02] <bdmurray> subterrific: have you tracked it down to python-uno specifically?  by the way what bug number was that again?
[23:03] <subterrific> bdmurray: the backtrace shows it crashing inside pyuno::Runtime::Runtime()
[23:03] <subterrific> bdmurray: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/180964
[23:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180964 in openoffice.org "python-uno: doc.dispose() crashes with "Fatal Python error: PyImport_GetModuleDict: no module dictionary!"" [Undecided,New]
[23:06] <bdmurray> subterrific: and python-uno is a different package right?
[23:07] <bdmurray> hrm
[23:08] <calc> python-uno is a subpart of OOo
[23:08] <bdmurray> yeah, I got that worked out
[23:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183651 in ubuntu "firefox making enitire system freeze when trying to log into mail.yahoo.com" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183651
[23:11] <bdmurray> calc: would it be helpful to tag bugs as python-uno so they can be found easier?
[23:12] <calc> bdmurray: sure that sounds fine :)
[23:13] <saivann> Bug #21202 is clearly not triaged, it is reported against Firefox, but it's clearly not a firefox bug, does someone can look at this and try to confirm which package is the cause of this bug?
[23:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 21202 in firefox "firefox doesn't work with gtk clipboard management" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21202
[23:15] <calc> saivann: the begging of that bug report at least looks legitimate
[23:15] <calc> er beginning
[23:15] <calc> aiui apps have to be written properly to support the gnome clipboard
[23:15] <saivann> calc : On the upstream firefox bug report, firefox developers all seems to confirm that firefox is not really the cause of that problem, but the way clipboard are managed
[23:15] <calc> there is a bug in OOo upstream bugzilla about it as well iirc
[23:16] <calc> let me see if i can find the bug report wrt OOo it might have some useful info in it
[23:17] <saivann> calc : Are you sure that it should really be fixed specifically for Gnome? IMO, Gnome should adjust itself to manage clipboard, programs shouldn't be adjusted to work with Gnome, no?
[23:17] <saivann> calc : thanks
[23:18] <calc> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63092
[23:18] <ubotu> OpenOffice.org bug 63092 in framework "Bad interaction with gnome 2.12's clipboard management" [Enhancement,New: ]
[23:18] <saivann> calc : An example, when installing glipper ( a clipboard manager for Gnome ), clipboard works as designed
[23:18] <calc> specifically: "If a client needs to exit while owning the CLIPBOARD selection, it should
[23:18] <calc> request the clipboard manager to take over the ownership of the clipboard, using
[23:18] <calc> the SAVE_TARGETS mechanism. If there is no clipboard manager, or if the
[23:18] <calc> SAVE_TARGETS conversion fails, the application should simply exit."
[23:19] <saivann> calc : You don't believe that Gnome should keep the clipboard until another clipboard erase it?
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183652 in ubuntu "CUPS fails to start on boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183652
[23:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183653 in totem (main) "Please sponsor totem 2.21.90 (main) into Hardy" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183653
[23:21] <calc> saivann: reading that bug report the issue sounds like app (eg firefox) owns the selection and quits wiping it out
[23:22] <calc> saivann: note the freedesktop.org standard referenced in that bug report
[23:23] <calc> so its not a bug of gnome and it could be considered not to be a bug of firefox, but its at least a feature request to comply with the new ICCCM clipboard spec
[23:23] <saivann> calc : Yeah I see.. it's seems a bit amazing since most of all apps have this problem under Gnome.. That would mean that all programs should be fixed.. and that sound not realistic to me
[23:23] <calc> saivann: most/all apps had to be changed in the past for other ICCCM standards as well
[23:24] <saivann> calc : Seriously?
[23:24] <calc> saivann: i don't know of any specifics but yea there have been changes in standards over the years
[23:25] <saivann> calc : Do you believe that finding all commonly used applications that have this bug and adding them all to a principal bug concerning the issue with the latest ICCCM standard would be a good idea to help this issue getting fixed everywhere?
[23:25] <calc> saivann: i would reference that page in the bug report about firefox and change it to a wishlist and note in the upstream bug report the url to the link as well
[23:25] <calc> saivann: perhaps
[23:26] <calc> saivann: upstreams that are fairly active probably could fix it pretty quickly
[23:27] <saivann> calc : I can manage to find all programs in which this bug happen and report this bug to upstream bug tracker, giving them the link for the new specification
[23:27] <calc> saivann: ok
[23:27] <bdmurray> I'd see how it goes with one upstream first.
[23:27] <saivann> calc : That's a big job but as long as it gives good result :)
[23:28] <saivann> dbmurray : What do you mean exactly?
[23:28] <calc> saivann: i would target an upstream like pidgin that is more likely to want to be standard
[23:28] <bdmurray> I mean I wouldn't want to offend anyone
[23:29] <calc> iirc gnucash isn't even gtk2 yet, or is it finally?
[23:29] <calc> evolution/pidgin/gimp are probably good targets to mention to at first
[23:29] <calc> then for the others later you can mention which already work with the new standard and it would be good for them to update their apps as well :)
[23:30] <bdmurray> maybe inkscape too
[23:30] <saivann> calc : Great, I'll start with these and wait to see upstream opinion about it
[23:30] <calc> yea i know some inkscape guys, they would probably add it
[23:30] <saivann> bdmurray : Great, thanks for these informations
[23:30] <calc> keescook: your inkscape right? :)
[23:30] <emgent> bdmurray, when you have a bit time see my query :P
[23:31] <calc> saivann: apps that are generally gnome centric would be more likely to convert over earlier than other apps like ooo/firefox/sunbird
[23:31] <saivann> calc : Yeah, this make sense, gedit already works OK with actual Gnome clipboard, it's a good example
[23:33] <saivann> calc : Should I give some information that is not inside this page to upstream bug tracker or everything is here? : http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/ClipboardManager
[23:33] <saivann> In your opinion
[23:35] <bdmurray> subterrific: I'll set the status of bug 180964 to Triaged.  You were able to recreate it with the latest version right?
[23:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 180964 in openoffice.org "python-uno: doc.dispose() crashes with "Fatal Python error: PyImport_GetModuleDict: no module dictionary!"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/180964
[23:37] <subterrific> bdmurray: yes, i realized after i commmented that i forgot to mention i was using the latest version on hardy
[23:39] <bdmurray> I'd add it for you but I think it would make sense for it to come from the same launchpad user
[23:39] <subterrific> i'm looking at this other bug now which is basically a usability feature request https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/177114
[23:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177114 in openoffice.org "Openoffice Writer toolbar don't stay in on screen" [Undecided,New]
[23:39] <subterrific> should i just update the description to be more clear?
[23:40] <subterrific> ok, i'll leave another comment
[23:41] <bdmurray> One thing we've been trying to do is add "TEST CASE" sections to the description with detailed steps to reproduce
[23:41]  * calc hugs subterrific  :)
[23:41] <calc> bdmurray: yea! :)
[23:41] <calc> some bugs are hard to even determine what the user is complaining about so test cases are very useful
[23:42] <bdmurray> and openoffice has so many features that identifying specific menus and options to click is quite helpful
[23:45] <subterrific> i'll do the best i can with steps to reproduce that, its hard to describe clicking and dragging toolbars that don't have labels really
[23:45] <bdmurray> subterrific: perhaps making a screencast then would help
[23:46] <bdmurray> I've used istanbul to do that once and it was pretty easy.  It just records what you do on your desktop.
[23:46] <subterrific> good idea
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183654 in ubuntu "when i try to copy music to my mp3 player it says can not show content to much open documents " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183654
[23:55] <subterrific> i don't think istanbul likes the vmware video driver or something, the screencast flashes black a lot
[23:56] <bdmurray> subterrific: right click on the icon and choose record 3d
[23:56] <bdmurray> that fixed it for me on real hardware
[23:59] <pochu> !sync
[23:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi