[00:01] <ryanakca> stdin: hmm... not here
[00:02] <ryanakca> 3rd up is "Run Command", after "Log Out..." and "Lock Session"
[00:05] <stdin> are you using KDM ?
[00:10] <ryanakca> Yes
[00:10] <ryanakca> stdin: root      5665  0.0  0.0   3264   512 ?        Ss   Jan15   0:00 /usr/bin/kdm -config /var/run/kdm/kdmrc
[00:10] <ryanakca> ii  kdm                               4:3.5.8-2ubuntu14                 X display manager for KDE
[00:15] <stdin> hmm, it's definitely there for me
[00:15] <stdin> http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1880/kmenu1sl4.jpg
[00:18] <ryanakca> hmm... another issue.
[00:18] <ryanakca> fire up konsole-kde4 in hardy... right click a link, "Open Link"... do you get this error message?
[00:18] <ryanakca> KLauncher could not be reached via D-Bus, error when calling start_service_by_desktop_path:
[00:18] <ryanakca> empty
[00:20] <stdin> nope, starts konqueror (KDE4) with the link open
[00:20] <ryanakca> crud...
[00:20]  * ryanakca wonders if it's just his installation that is kaput
[00:21] <stdin> I've found that if you close your eyes, put your hands over your ears and hum loudly then most issues go away ;)
[00:21] <ryanakca> stdin: or wait, right clicking your link opened the window up... but it also gave me an error message... odd
[00:21] <ryanakca> KDEInit could not launch '/usr/bin/kview'.
[00:21] <ryanakca> well now
[00:21] <wesley> ryanakca that melding from d-bus did i get also
[00:22]  * ryanakca tries again and hopes to get the "You have succesfully deleted your root partition. Congratulations!" error
[00:23]  * ryanakca scratches his head and gets back to his essay
[00:33] <Blizzzek> gn8
[02:01] <DaSkreech__> nixternal: Wake up :)
[02:24] <red_team316> If I have two files that I want to merge, say file1 with lines A, B, C, E and file2 with lines A, B, D, E, F. How to output a merged file with lines A, B, C, D, E, F? I've tried mucking around with diff but I havent figured it out or it may not do it...
[02:25] <DaSkreech__> have you tried join ?
[02:25] <red_team316> no. I will try now. thanks
[02:25] <DaSkreech__> and #kubuntu is the help chan
[02:26] <red_team316> this is a dev channel and I'm devving so I figured there would be a better solution here
[02:27] <yuriy> oh woops, was there a meeting today?
[02:30] <DaSkreech__> red_team316: you are devving for kubuntu? :)
[02:34] <red_team316> oh, no. I am working on the reconstructor rewrite
[02:35] <DaSkreech__> it's being rewritten already?
[02:35] <DaSkreech__> what happened to the first project?
[02:36] <red_team316> essentially the problem I'm trying to solve right now is to be able to combine configuration files without using kwriteconfig or gconftool
[02:37] <DaSkreech__> or whatever gobuntu uses
[02:38] <red_team316> It's in the process of being rewritten atm. Older versions are still okay but the code is pretty ugly and the new version will address that as well as add some extra features.
[02:38] <Jucato> yuriy: I keep on missing meetings... I might have to step down soon :(
[02:39] <Jucato> (as if I had a position)
[02:39] <yuriy> Jucato: busy with life?
[02:40] <Jucato> sort of.. and also forgetting :(
[02:40] <red_team316> I know theres several blueprints on launchpad for something ubuntu can use as a prog to customize distros but atm, reconstructor, uck, etc... do not fill the requirements. Plus, the rewrite is going to be aimed at any flavor of linux, not just ubuntu/debian based.
[02:42] <red_team316> revisor for fedora is similar but guess what, it only works on fedora :/
[02:42] <Jucato> red_team316: I don't think Ubuntu has something like that yet... unfortunately
[02:43] <Jucato> (even with the build system (PPA) came in a bit late...)
[02:43] <red_team316> well, i know bootstrapping is how the make ubuntu.  explain a bit more Jucato.
[02:44] <Jucato> red_team316: I don't know anything about that. I'm just saying that we have no revisor-like utility yet
[02:44] <Jucato> PPA is almost like openSUSE's Build Service (I think)
[02:44] <Jucato> !ppa
[02:44] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[02:44] <Jucato> but that's for building packages, not cd images
[02:45] <red_team316> ah, sounds slick though
[02:45] <DaSkreech__> Lumaya Jucato  :-)
[02:46] <Jucato> :D
[02:46] <Jucato> moin DaSkreech__
[02:46] <Jucato> are you in the US of A already?
[02:47] <DaSkreech__> Jucato: and PPS build ubuntu packages openSUse will build them for any distro
[02:47] <DaSkreech__> No Soon
[02:48] <Jucato> !pps
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pps - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <Jucato> hm..
[02:48] <DaSkreech__> PPA :-p
[02:48] <Jucato> aaah
[02:52] <jjesse> i noticed the ppa gets updated more frequently are those packges considered more developmental?
[02:54] <yuriy> more frequently than what?
[02:56]  * DaSkreech__ waves
[02:56] <nixternal> OK, I could care less what any person in the world thinks about Microsoft, but at this time, I can tell you it totally sucks ass
[02:57] <nixternal> I want to know how having virus protection doesn't do what it is supposed to
[02:57] <DaSkreech__> nixternal: So you could care either way then?
[02:57] <nixternal> Windows is the biggest joke there is hands down
[02:58] <nixternal> if it wasn't for Linux, Knoppix in this case, this guy would have lost everything on his system
[02:58] <DaSkreech__> Yeah I heard that a lot before
[02:58] <nixternal> more than 400 trojans
[02:58] <DaSkreech__> what?
[02:58] <nixternal> these trojans filled up the C drive, leaving you totally helpless
[02:59] <nixternal> I booted up knoppix, ran the ntfs crap, mounted the drive, deleted these bogus files (150GB worth), removed everything I knew that was a virus, ran regedit on it, ran f-prot on it, and then some
[03:00] <nixternal> even after that it still has some issues that I am trying to work through
[03:00] <nixternal> windows is a pos, any computer that allows this type of crap to happen so easily doesn't need to be on the market
[03:00] <DaSkreech__> Would have been faster to use a kubuntu CD
[03:00] <nixternal> no way, knoppix owns in this arena
[03:01] <DaSkreech__> Nope Kubuntu is faster
[03:01] <nixternal> you can't beat it for saving microsoft turds
[03:01] <nixternal> have you tried the new knoppix 5.1.1?
[03:01] <DaSkreech__>  has a handy install button that wipes out all virus
[03:01] <vorian> mwaahhahahaaa
[03:01] <nixternal> ya for us maybe, not for people who can't use it
[03:14] <red_team316> knoppix has saved my data once. lol DaSkreech__
[03:16] <DaSkreech__> nixternal: Yeah leaving OHD @ 10:00
[03:17] <DaSkreech__> Didn't say it couldn't
[03:17] <DaSkreech__> said Kubuntu gets rid of virus faster :)
[03:20] <coreymon77> kubuntu saved all of my moms data once
[03:20] <coreymon77> took 3 days to get it, but it saved it
[03:21] <DaSkreech__> Yeah I've done some amazing things with testdisk and a live Cd
[03:23] <coreymon77> i love using free tools to get paid
[03:24] <coreymon77> (kubuntu)
[03:24] <coreymon77> and i love engrish
[03:24] <DaSkreech__> Well that is my job :)
[03:25] <DaSkreech__> I sell free stuff
[03:25] <coreymon77> DaSkreech__: i meant using kubuntu to recover data from my moms dying laptop, which contained all of her data and info for her business
[03:26] <coreymon77> which meant that when i helped, she paid me for it
[03:26] <coreymon77> and engrish is just plain funny
[03:28] <DaSkreech__> ha my mom never pays me for anything :)
[03:33] <red_team316> join may work. It outputs the similarities of the files, which I can use with a little work. Is there a way to have join output the different lines?
[03:42] <DaSkreech__> > newfile ?
[03:42] <DaSkreech__> red_team316: Oh crap
[03:42] <DaSkreech__> try paste
[03:58]  * yuriy finds it a bit strange that subversion considers opendocument a binary file
[03:59] <DaSkreech__> It's zipped
[03:59] <ScottK> yuriy: It is
[03:59] <yuriy> ScottK: it is strange or it is binary?
[03:59] <yuriy> i thought it was XML
[04:01] <DaSkreech__> yuriy: When you unzip it
[04:01] <ScottK> yuriy: It's binary
[04:02] <yuriy> DaSkreech__: oh
[04:04] <DaSkreech__> I guess imbrandon would be out of town :(
[04:41] <DaSkreech__> seele: Ha ha you get there a few minutes before me
[04:59] <Jucato> DaSkreech__: are you attending the release party in the mountains?
[05:00] <DaSkreech__> yes
[05:01] <DaSkreech__> and I wish imbrandon or nixternal Were home :(
[05:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech__: I so hate you :(
[05:02] <DaSkreech__> Be free my friend
[05:04] <Jucato> not free enough to go there :(
[05:20] <DaSkreech__> Jucato: Sorry,. You can throw a party where you are :)
[05:20] <red_team316> ConfigParser is what I need :)
[05:20] <Jucato> I will... just drink myself to a stupor..
[05:21] <DaSkreech__> Wake you up when 4.1 comes out?
[05:24] <Jucato> :D
[05:24] <Jucato> more like 4.5
[05:45] <nixternal> apachelogger__: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=1294
[05:49] <Jucato> nixternal!!!! :D
[05:49] <nixternal> wasabi?
[05:49] <Jucato> btw, we seem to have lost aseigo :(
[05:49] <nixternal> 8 hours to fix a damn Windows computer
[05:49] <nixternal> huh?
[05:49] <nixternal> lost aseigo?
[05:49] <Jucato> yeah. to suse :(
[05:49] <nixternal> oh
[05:50] <nixternal> he is nothing more than a happless user anyways, what good is he :p
[05:50] <Jucato> lol
[05:50] <apachelogger__> yummy
[05:50] <apachelogger__> wasabi
[05:50] <apachelogger__> mmmmhhhhhhhh
[05:50] <apachelogger__> nixternal: ~alpha1 IMO
[05:52] <Jucato> heads up to yakuake lovers. there will be a last KDE 3 release of Yakuake, version 2.8.1... just don't know if Sho_ will get it out before Hardy... but it's pretty much finished
[05:52] <apachelogger__> nixternal: debian/copyright says it's LGPL,COPYING is shipping a copy of GPL though
[05:53] <nixternal> damnit, I copied the wrong copyright again
[05:53] <apachelogger__> :)
[05:55] <apachelogger__> nixternal: please have a look at kdebase-workspace's debian/rules and use it's kde4-wrapper-creation ... result will be the same but IMO it's better if we target to use the same basic structure all over the place
[05:56] <apachelogger__> also... I think there is a kblogger icon in oxygen, so please change the .desktop creation to use oxygen instead of hicolor
[05:56] <apachelogger__> looks good otherwise... will have another look in half an hour
[05:56] <apachelogger__> gotta go to school :D
[05:57] <nixternal> we have changed the wrapper script again?
[05:57] <apachelogger__> nixternal: yeah final
[05:58] <apachelogger__> there were some issues... for some reason it sometimes didn't build on various archs
[05:59] <apachelogger__> also for some packages the processing sequence changed, which br0ke the wrappers
[05:59] <apachelogger__> kde4-wrapper-creation is called after make install finished for both, arch and indep
[06:00] <apachelogger__> so it's pretty much unbreakable :D
[06:00]  * apachelogger__ is kinda proud of that baby
[06:00] <apachelogger__> hum, gotta go... laters
[06:06] <nixternal> apachelogger__: just so you know, it is using the Oxygen KBlogger icon
[06:07] <nixternal> Icon=kblogger
[06:13] <DaSkreech__> nixternal: so we aren't meeting up at all then huh?
[06:14] <nixternal> Tuesday would be no, what time do you get in on Monday?
[06:14] <nixternal> oh shite, I have class next Monday night...I hate this staggered semester start
[06:14] <nixternal> why can't they start all classes in the same week
[06:14] <DaSkreech__> 8:55
[06:15] <nixternal> damn man, that totally sucks
[06:15] <nixternal> I get out of class at 10pm and have to check in at the other campus by 11pm
[06:16] <nixternal> so I have to take what is normally a 1.5 hour drive, and consolidate it into an hour :)
[06:16] <DaSkreech__> Screw that skip the first class and hang with me :)
[06:17] <nixternal> I can't, it is the first night of class
[06:17] <nixternal> if it was the 2nd night then I could
[06:17] <nixternal> when are you flying to Cali? tomorrow?
[06:18] <DaSkreech__> yes
[06:18] <nixternal> damnit I wish I could go
[06:18] <nixternal> is Riddell there right now or does he get in tomorrow as well?
[06:19] <nixternal> anyone want to lend me a few thousand dollars by the way? I have $3300 in unpaid parking tickets since 1989
[06:20] <nixternal> everything is cool unless I get pulled over :)
[06:23] <Jucato> nixternal: are you going to Mt.View with DaSkreech__?
[06:23] <Jucato> oh wait, I should have read :(
[06:23] <nixternal> nope
[06:23] <nixternal> haha
[06:23] <Jucato> let's mourn together then :(
[06:24] <Jucato> but why won't you be able to go? at least you're on the same continent
[06:24] <DaSkreech__> Jucato: No I'm stopping in Chicago on the way back and nixternal won't meet with me :(
[06:24] <nixternal> the City of Chicago is evil...they pull your passport too
[06:24]  * DaSkreech__ sticks tongue out at nixternal
[06:24] <Jucato> ouch
[06:25] <nixternal> I liked the old school passports, where they just looked at you funny, asked your business, and then stamped it..now everything is run by these damn computers
[06:25] <nixternal> I hate computers!
[06:25] <DaSkreech__> they hate you
[06:25] <DaSkreech__> so why can't you  ditch class one?
[06:25] <nixternal> everyone hates me, you get used to it after a while
[06:26] <DaSkreech__> See I do get to say it :)
[06:26] <DaSkreech__> I blame nixternal !
[06:26] <nixternal> even if I did ditch, you get in at 8:55, which puts you out of the terminal by 9:30 at the earliest, I would have to leave at about then to get to the visitor dorms at the other campus
[06:27] <DaSkreech__> Dagnabit
[06:27] <Jucato> I thought that was "dangnabit"
[06:27] <nixternal> nope, it is dagnabit :)
[06:27] <Jucato> ok
[06:27] <DaSkreech__> well leave me the keys to your apartment and at least I'll have a bed :)
[06:27] <nixternal> the only reason I know that, is I read a script for a Disney cartoon many years ago
[06:28] <Jucato> hahah
[06:28] <nixternal> I don't have an apartment, I live in a small dungeon that is attached to my parent's house
[06:28] <nixternal> actually attached to their garage
[06:28] <Jucato> I thought dungeons were underground?
[06:28] <Jucato> :D
[06:28] <DaSkreech__> It could be attached at the bottom
[06:28] <nixternal> you couldn't tell the difference, I don't have any windows really
[06:29] <Jucato> er... you have Vista right?
[06:29]  * Jucato runs
[06:29] <nixternal> yup, and I love it
[06:29] <nixternal> I am thinking about becoming a Vista developer
[06:29] <nixternal> since all of my code is crappy and buggy, I figured it is a perfect fit
[06:30] <Jucato> lol
[06:30] <Hobbsee> ew.
[06:30] <DaSkreech__> Yeah I know living with parents? right?
[06:30] <nixternal> I just found out today that my brother-in-law should be getting his Macbook Air very soon...his sister works for Apple and he has the connection...thinking about breaking into his house and stealing it..damn rich people anyways
[06:31] <DaSkreech__> Rich people who get free stuff
[06:31] <nixternal> ya
[06:31] <nixternal> that is stupid
[06:34] <nixternal> OK, time to watch a little tv..I need a computer break.
[06:34] <DaSkreech__> Night
[06:35] <DaSkreech__> Wonder who else in chicago I know :)
[07:24] <apache|mobile> nixternal: debian/docs is redundant debhelper.mk does autolookup
[07:30] <nixternal> you sure? that must have been fixed in the past
[07:33] <nixternal> I did a booboo on that upload anyways :p
[07:38] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[07:50]  * Riddell pops in from sunnyvale
[07:51] <Jucato> yay! :)
[07:53] <nixternal> hiya Riddell!
[07:53] <nixternal> how is cali?
[07:53] <Jucato> cali... hindu goddess of destruction? :D
[07:53] <nixternal> apache|mobile: new upload in route to revu, give it a few minutes
[07:54] <Jucato> nixternal: I bet it's fun over there :(
[07:54] <nixternal> that sounds just like northern California
[07:54] <Jucato> lol
[07:54] <Jucato> !lol | Jucato
[07:54] <nixternal> You have to love San Fran though, it is a beautiful city
[07:54] <nixternal> I miss the west coast
[07:54] <nixternal> my god, 2am already
[07:55] <Jucato> too early...
[07:56] <nixternal> Windows just attacked me!
[07:56] <nixternal> I think I have a fat lip
[08:01] <nixternal> http://www.i4u.com/article14093.html
[08:02] <nixternal> Wall-Mart just got owned
[08:04]  * hads wishes one retailer in his country offered Linux pre-installed
[08:09] <nixternal> http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9849110-39.html?tag=nefd.pulse
[08:09] <nixternal> Riddell: ^^ we got some love from CNet of all people :)
[08:10] <Riddell> articles which say "commercial support is absent" are not love
[08:10] <Riddell> they're wrong
[08:10]  * Riddell snoozes
[08:20] <apache|mobile> nixternal: formatting issue in debian/copyright :P
[08:20] <apache|mobile> somehow you mixed tabs with white spaces
[08:20] <apache|mobile> nixternal: version of GPL for packaging please
[08:20]  * apache|mobile testbuilds
[08:22] <nixternal> version for packaging? when they update the template I will worry about that
[08:23] <nixternal> stupid emacs indent cleaner
[08:29] <apache|mobile> nixternal: licenensing in GPL ain't licensing at all unless you refer to a specific version
[08:29] <apache|mobile> 2+ or something
[08:29] <nixternal> I just went through a few of the Debian repos, and none of their copyright files have a version
[08:29] <nixternal> there is a link to the copyright file that has all of that info
[08:38] <apache|mobile> nixternal: so they are wrong, we can't force upstreams to add proper licensing information and don't apply the rules on our own work
[08:40] <nixternal> heh, the people who controll the DFLG are wrong?
[08:41] <nixternal> it has been that way since 1995 that I can remember
[08:41] <apache|mobile> nixternal: might not have gotten through yet :P
[08:41] <apache|mobile> anyway, change it
[08:41] <apache|mobile> + http://lintian.debian.org/reports/Tcopyright-lists-upstream-authors-with-dh_make-boilerplate.html
[08:41] <apache|mobile> otherwise ok with me
[08:41] <apache|mobile> ohh
[08:41] <apache|mobile> nixternal: I still think it should be 1.0~alpha1
[08:42] <nixternal> but it is alpha2
[08:42] <nixternal> I downloaded alpha2, it was just blogged about, put on kde-apps, and it is even on the kblogger website as alpha 2
[08:42] <apache|mobile> lol
[08:43] <apache|mobile> nixternal: ~alpha2 then ;-)
[08:43] <apache|mobile> -(~/kblogger:$)-> dpkg --compare-versions 1.0-alpha1 lt 1.0; echo $?
[08:43] <apache|mobile> 1
[08:43] <nixternal> alpha1 was what aseigo blogged about a month or so back
[08:43] <apache|mobile> nixternal: I just misread
[08:44] <nixternal> that boilerpate page is kind of silly, there is a reason for (s)
[08:44] <apache|mobile> nope
[08:44] <apache|mobile> there is a reason for Authors
[08:44] <apache|mobile> and Author
[08:44] <apache|mobile> not for Author(s)
[08:45] <apache|mobile> unless one author is joining and leaving the project on regular base ;-)
[08:45] <nixternal> I guess I fixed that in my Debian packages, even though I don't remember doing it
[08:45] <nixternal> ooh, all of my packages have it right in Debian...isn't that nifty
[08:47] <apache|mobile> :)
[08:47] <nixternal> OK, just fixed the copyright file s/\(s\)/s
[08:53] <apache|mobile> nixternal: advocated, go for it tiger :P
[08:54] <nixternal> go ahead and archive that on revu
[08:54] <nixternal> uploaded to new
[08:55] <apache|mobile> nixternal: archived
[08:55] <nixternal> thank you sir
[09:43] <apache|mobile> Riddell, Hobbsee: can you please kick kblogger-kde4 from hardy queue?
[09:43] <apache|mobile> nixternal: you have to change the version to ~alpha2
[09:43] <apache|mobile> 1.0-alpha2 > 1.0
[09:44] <nixternal> bah, I didn't even catch that
[09:45] <apache|mobile> I told you 2 times :P
[09:45] <apache|mobile> didn't notice before advocating though
[09:45] <nixternal> you kept saying alpha1, that's what I was catching
[09:46] <apache|mobile> nixternal: [09:43] <apache|mobile> nixternal: ~alpha2 then ;-)
[09:46] <apache|mobile> :P
[09:46] <nixternal> ya, but I thought I already had it like that
[09:46] <apache|mobile> apachelogger_: ha! someone is lagging
[09:46] <nixternal> that's what I am saying
[09:46] <apache|mobile> nixternal: ok
[09:46] <apache|mobile> stupid release tags
[09:46] <nixternal> that's the reason I didn't see the -
[09:46] <apache|mobile> amarok will use numbas for 2 as well
[09:47] <apache|mobile> tech preview will be 1.80
[09:47] <apache|mobile> oh, right, I should package that :D
[09:47] <nixternal> that's the way it should be
[09:47] <Tm_T> meh
[09:47] <Tm_T> son
[09:47] <apache|mobile> yes, mom?
[09:47] <Tm_T> I love you
[09:48]  * apache|mobile always hoped Tm_T would say that least once in her life
[09:49] <apache|mobile> np: Sexe, Drogue et Cholestérol - Je suis un Geek
[09:50]  * nixternal beds
[09:50] <nixternal> g'nite
[09:52] <apache|mobile> nini nixternal
[09:55] <_StefanS_> hey there
[09:56] <Hobbsee> apache|mobile: which queue?
[09:56] <apache|mobile> Hobbsee: new
[09:56] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey you.. did you commit that patch I made for k3b and videodvd:/ kioslave? I cant see it on my hardy machine..
[09:57] <Hobbsee> oh, meh, it's already been done
[09:57] <apache|mobile> oi
[09:58] <apache|mobile> Hobbsee: thanks anyway :)
[10:02] <nixternal> apache|mobile: ya, fixed and uploading already :p
[10:02] <nixternal> I was about to go to sleep but pitti hit me up
[10:02] <apache|mobile> *excellent*
[10:11] <nixternal> apache|mobile: fixed and uploaded, now can I go to sleep? :)
[10:11] <nixternal> 04:11! yay!
[10:11] <nixternal> k'nite for real this time
[10:12] <apache|mobile> nini#2
[10:12] <Tm_T> nixternal: dont leave meeeeee
[10:13] <apache|mobile> Tm_T: Oo
[10:13] <apache|mobile> you're now with nixternal?
[10:14] <Tm_T> apache|mobile: no, but he is my nurse
[10:14] <apache|mobile> Oo
[10:14] <apache|mobile> omg
[12:11] <smarter> apachelogger_: I fixed the oxygen-cursor-theme package
[12:12]  * apachelogger_ is listening to Rastardennes by Boules de Feu on Têtes à Couacs [Amarok]
[12:12] <smarter> french music? ;)
[12:12] <apachelogger_> french++
[12:13] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: good stuff - downloading the album now - jamendo ftw ;-)
[12:13] <Nightrose> thx for the tip
[12:14] <apachelogger_> <- knows all tha good music
[12:14] <Nightrose> indeed
[12:14] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: you should checkout Boules de Feu, only wind instruments
[12:14] <Nightrose> will do
[12:14] <apachelogger_> if you like that kind of sound Boules de Feu totally rock
[12:16] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: one needs to get used to it - but nice
[12:16] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: song 2 and 10 are quite good
[12:17] <Nightrose> k
[12:19] <apachelogger_> smarter: Priority: optional plz
[12:20] <apachelogger_> smarter: I think you can kill ${shlibs:Depends} in the Depends:
[12:20] <smarter> apachelogger_: k.
[12:20] <apachelogger_> will not catch anything at all
[12:21] <apachelogger_> smarter: looks good otherwise, will testbuild as soon as kdeedu finished
[12:21]  * apachelogger_ also notes that ruphy might be in CA for the kde4 release party
[12:21] <apachelogger_> oh how I would love to be there as well :S
[12:22]  * Nightrose too *sob*
[12:22] <apachelogger_> well
[12:22] <apachelogger_> amarok2 release party will kick ass
[12:22] <Nightrose> ;-)
[12:23] <smarter> apachelogger_: uploaded
[12:23]  * apachelogger_ is one heck of a party organizer :P
[12:23] <smarter> jamendo player doesn't work under konqueror :/
[12:23] <apachelogger_> all will be better with webkit
[12:23] <apachelogger_> muhahahaha
[12:24]  * smarter is going to apt-get install webkitkde
[12:26] <smarter> webkitkde depends on kdebase-runtime-bin which doesn't exist anymore :/
[12:26] <smarter> new package is kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4
[12:26] <apachelogger_> well
[12:26] <apachelogger_> it wouldn't do any good
[12:27] <apachelogger_> I think its still not finished
[12:27] <apachelogger_> only basic rendering stuff
[12:27] <smarter> it was just to test
[12:27] <smarter> but the package should be updated or removed
[12:28] <smarter> it's in gutsy-backports/universe
[12:28] <apachelogger_> Riddell: ^
[12:28] <smarter> hardy has a new version
[12:29] <smarter> Time to go to school
[12:29] <smarter> bye
[12:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: see http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146882 as a solution to bug 182349 - maybe that can be backported
[12:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182349 in kdenetwork-kde4 "Kopete-kde4 has an issue with message handling under behavioural settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182349
[12:31] <ubotu> KDE bug 146882 in general ""Message handling" unset when setting it to "Open messages instantly" and reopening the configuration dialog" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]
[12:33] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: please comment on the ubuntu bug with that ... how urgent is a fix?
[12:34]  * apachelogger_ just thinks about peoples bandwith, one kde source package per day is enough to download ;-)
[12:34] <Nightrose> not really urgent but would be nice
[12:34] <Nightrose> yea just include it in the next fix
[12:34] <Nightrose> as it works for now
[12:34] <Nightrose> you just don´t get any message notification at all when you choose "open messages instantly"
[12:34] <Nightrose> at least I don´t
[12:36] <apachelogger_> cool
[12:36] <Nightrose> commented
[12:37] <\sh> moins
[12:37] <Nightrose> heya \sh :)
[12:45] <apachelogger_> ahoy \sh
[12:45] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: are ye b0red? ;-)
[12:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: not really why?
[12:45] <apachelogger_> bug 182466
[12:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182466 in kdenetwork-kde4 "kopete-kde4 doesn't override contact's font settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182466
[12:47] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: want me to verify? or search for a fix?
[12:47] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: both ;-)
[12:47] <apachelogger_> latter is also ok with me
[12:47] <Nightrose> hehe ok I will dry my hair and then see what I find
[12:47] <Nightrose> +can
[12:47] <apachelogger_> but might be a waste of time in case it's just pebkec
[12:47] <Nightrose> ok
[12:47] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: you're my most favorite rose :P
[12:48] <Nightrose> ;-) thx honey
[12:48] <Nightrose> afk
[12:49] <iRon> apachelogger_: it overrides.. but only after you hide/show contacts..
[12:50] <apachelogger_> cool
[12:50]  * apachelogger_ tests oxygen-cursor-theme
[12:57] <Nightrose> re
[12:57] <Nightrose> iRon: what do you mean by hide/show contacts?
[12:58] <iRon> Nightrose: panel button Show hidden users
[12:59] <iRon> Nightrose: er.. Show offline users
[12:59] <Nightrose> hmm doesn´t change anything for me here
[12:59] <Nightrose> and we are talking about the chatwindow
[12:59] <Nightrose> not the contact list
[12:59] <Nightrose> right?
[13:00] <iRon> oh.. i thought it was about contact list
[13:00] <Nightrose> nah chat window if I get the bug report right
[13:00] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: so I can reproduce
[13:00] <Nightrose> will look for a fix
[13:05]  * apachelogger_ goes hunting for some coffee meanwhile
[13:17] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: I can neither find a bugreport at kde about it nor a fix in svn :(
[13:17] <Nightrose> maybe I am blind...
[13:17] <apachelogger_> maybe no-one noticed yet ;-)
[13:17] <Nightrose> hehe yea
[13:20] <freeflying> is there something wrong with keyboard in kubuntu?
[13:20] <jpatrick> freeflying: you're not using a chinese setting?
[13:22] <freeflying> jpatrick: no. zh_CN.UTF-8 locale
[13:22] <jpatrick> my keyboard's always worked fine :o)
[13:22] <freeflying> jpatrick: the keyboard behavior is really strange
[13:22] <jpatrick> and I imagine there'd by a critical bug on LP if it didn't
[13:26] <iRon> freeflying: `alt' key works like `enter', and `cursor up' like `print screen' ? ;-)
[13:28] <iRon> i got this problem after xorg 7.3 installation
[13:29] <iRon> but i solved it with removing xserver-xorg-input-evdev
[13:32] <freeflying> iRon: not these, I can repeat input one key, it need about 3-4s, then can I input the same character, and also he del hebavior
[13:33] <iRon> freeflying: try `$ xprop -root | grep XKB'
[13:33] <iRon> freeflying: what you see ?
[13:33] <freeflying> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "xorg", "pc105", "us", "", "
[13:34] <freeflying> anything wrong?
[13:34] <freeflying> it working fine in xfce4 now
[13:34] <iRon> freeflying: oh..
[13:34] <iRon> then don't know why
[13:47] <jpatrick> apachelogger: is the next KDE 4 backport (gutsy-backports) still planned?
[13:51] <apachelogger> jpatrick: we didn't set a date, but it's planned
[13:51] <apachelogger> first the icon fixes have to be finished
[13:51] <jpatrick> apachelogger: good, I've got an archive admin that will do the *qca2* stuff soon
[13:52] <apachelogger> very  good
[13:52] <jpatrick> and hopefull projectm
[14:01] <wesley> will kde4.01 come out before april ?
[14:01] <jpatrick> wesley: end of year
[14:02] <LongPointyStick> jpatrick: 4.0.1?
[14:02] <jpatrick> ops, missed the 0
[14:02] <wesley> wow a whole year before kde4 4.1 comes out ?
[14:03] <\sh> can someone check on kdepim-kde4 (Ubuntu) for libungif4g transition? bug #174252
[14:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174252 in libungif4 "transition to libgif" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174252
[14:03] <jpatrick> wesley: not if you, yes *YOU* join the dev team ;)
[14:03] <wesley> i am no good for dev team i can only test and ruin my own pc
[14:04] <jpatrick> \sh: I thought kdepim-kde4 wasn't completed
[14:04] <stdin> \sh: afaik, only kdelibs5 needs any gif support and it uses libgif
[14:05] <\sh> stdin, well, apt-cache rdepends libungif4g gives me this package still
[14:05] <\sh> I think it's a source only upload to catch up with the correct deps....
[14:05] <\sh> the same applies to aterm e.g. because it took the old libungif4g still...
[14:06] <wesley> jpatrick but kubuntu will release a clean kde4 distro right ?
[14:06] <stdin> \sh: that's probably because 4:3.97.0-0ubuntu2 was before we converted kde4libs to libgif
[14:07] <stdin> \sh: kdepim-kde4 wasn't released with 4.0.0
[14:07] <jpatrick> wesley: no, we'll have some kde3 apps (amarok, kontact, ...)
[14:07] <wesley> do you not port those so they integrate with kde4?
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> wesley: they are in the process of being ported, but not by us
[14:08] <\sh> stdin, well, it needs a rebuild because it inherits  kdelibs5 from kdepimlibs5-dev
[14:08] <wesley> ah okay but they are also dev amarok 2 ?
[14:08] <nosrednaekim> wesley: thats what I mean..
[14:09] <wesley> i heard they wanted to port the kde3 version from amarok but they are also dev amarok 2 for kde4
[14:15] <nosrednaekim> wesley: what do you mean "port"?
[14:16] <wesley> yes but not amarok 2
[14:16] <wesley> svn, the subversion revision control client  how does it name in kubuntu ?
[14:17] <Nightrose> wesley: you can use amarok 1.4 in kde 4 until we relase amarok 2 - which will take a while - what do you need to port there?
[14:17] <Nightrose> we as in the amarok team
[14:18] <wesley> i use juk on the moment but like to test amarok 2
[14:18] <stdin> wesley: you tried the package "subversion" ?
[14:18] <wesley> i installing svn and such and reading getting started
[14:19] <wesley> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/Unstable_Version
[14:32] <wesley> svn does not realy work by me
[14:33] <apachelogger> bye
[14:34]  * apachelogger loves who people just disappear
[15:47] <nixternal> mornin'
[15:48] <Hobbsee> morning
[15:48] <Jucato> moin :(
[15:48] <jpatrick> afternoon
[15:49] <Jucato> actually "almost midnight"...
[15:49] <jjesse> man Jucato you always have to be the difficult one :)
[15:50] <Jucato> :D
[15:52] <jjesse> argh, had a freeze of my kde4 session, now i have grey "desktop" with no icons or nothing else on it
[15:53] <stdin> \sh: looks like kdepim-kde4 will fail to build against 4.0.0 packages anyway
[15:57] <apachelogger> actually
[15:57] <apachelogger> we should kick kdepim-kde4
[15:57] <apachelogger> it's pre-4.0.0 and not supported
[15:58] <stdin> should be easy to do for the PPA, I could get an LP admin to remove the packages
[15:58]  * stdin files a request
[16:03] <smarter> hey
[16:03] <jpatrick> hi smarter
[16:04] <smarter> apachelogger: I tried to change the rm commande in debian/rules of the oxygen-cursor-theme to from "rm -rf " to "rm -r" but debian/rules clean fails if the files were already removed
[16:04] <smarter> s/commande/command/
[16:04] <apachelogger> -rm -r
[16:04] <apachelogger> the - will make it ignore errors
[16:05] <smarter> apachelogger: okay, I thought it was a typo you made ^^"
[16:05] <smarter> didn't know that
[16:05] <apachelogger> I don't do typos :P
[16:05] <apachelogger> well, only by intention ;-)
[16:06] <smarter> apachelogger: fixes uploaded in review ;)
[16:08]  * apachelogger heads over to the nu revu upload
[16:17] <apachelogger> smarter: package is ok, but ruphy seems to be lost again.... so I'll not advocate until he gave the ok for publishing
[16:17] <jpatrick> Jucato: seems you were right about rt@ubuntu.com
[16:18] <smarter> apachelogger: ok
[16:18] <smarter> anything else to package? ;)
[16:18] <apachelogger> don't think so
[16:19] <jpatrick> smarter: try kplayer
[16:20] <smarter> jpatrick: I'll try, even if I think that smplayer or dragon player are better ;)
[16:21] <jpatrick> yeah, dragon player rocks
[16:23] <apachelogger> we have to make that default :P
[16:23] <apachelogger> influence KDE, because currently it's in kderreview
[16:23] <smarter> kplayer/qt3 is not even packaged in ubuntu and debian
[16:23] <smarter> it's in debian-multimedia
[16:23] <smarter> is there any legal issue with it?
[16:26] <ScottK> Since it's in debian-multi-media and not debian, probably.
[16:27] <Jucato> jpatrick: um.. please refresh my memory :)
[16:28] <apachelogger> stdin: we should unify package naming, currently we have extragear-plasma and plasma-playground
[16:31] <smarter> oh I've found the problem
[16:31] <smarter> kplayer is gplv3
[16:31] <smarter> qt is gplv2 only
[16:32] <ScottK> That'll do it.
[16:32] <smarter> that's a problem if kplayer is going to be the default kde4 video player
[16:33] <jpatrick> Jucato: kubuntu-es mailing list thing
[16:33] <Jucato> ah
[16:58] <stdin> apachelogger: Riddell told me that plasma-playground was replaced by extragear-plasma, so maybe a conflicts/replaces in extragear-plasma is in order?
[16:58] <apachelogger> stdin: well backport to the ppa then :P
[16:59] <apachelogger> actually
[16:59] <apachelogger> stdin: how can playground be replaced by extragear
[16:59] <apachelogger> very strange
[16:59] <apachelogger> really
[16:59] <stdin> apachelogger: playground is an old package apparently
[16:59] <apachelogger> yeah it is
[17:00] <apachelogger> but extragear ain't having the same content
[17:01] <stdin> some stuff from playground was obviously moved to extragear, like battery, digital-clock, notes...
[17:01] <apachelogger> yep
[17:01] <apachelogger> well
[17:01] <apachelogger> IMO playground shouldn't have been added to the archive in the first place
[17:02] <apachelogger> just toss it or something
[17:03] <nixternal> playground has some new engines and applets that aren't in extragear
[17:22] <stdin> apachelogger: like http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/post-rel/extragear-plasma_4.0.0-0ubuntu2.debdiff ?
[17:23] <smarter> stdin: why does it build-dep on kdebase-workspace-dev 4:3.98.0~svn756095 and not 4.0.0?
[17:24] <stdin> smarter: because that's what it was before, and there's no real need to change it
[17:26] <apachelogger> stdin: change it
[17:26] <apachelogger> now there is a need :P
[17:26] <apachelogger> stdin: please also change the maintainer to kubuntu developers
[17:27] <stdin> apachelogger: what's the need? 4:4.0.0 will be installed?
[17:27] <apachelogger> stdin: a motu saying so creates a need for something ;-)
[17:28] <jpatrick> apachelogger: New: libvisual-projectm 1.0-1~gutsy1 (source)
[17:29] <apachelogger> jpatrick: just saw it
[17:29] <apachelogger> wonderful
[17:29]  * apachelogger goes over to #amarok for a karma wave
[17:29] <jpatrick> oooh, and qca2-plugin-ossl 0.1~20070904-3~gutsy1 and qca2 2.0.0-3~gutsy1
[17:30] <smarter> jpatrick: does that means ssl jabber support in kopete?
[17:30] <jpatrick> smarter: yes!
[17:30] <smarter> :)
[17:31] <jpatrick> apachelogger: any more you need, poke me ;)
[17:31] <stdin> apachelogger: better now?
[17:31] <smarter> strange, kde4 apps seem to use kdewallet from kde3
[17:31] <apachelogger> jpatrick: hehe, thanks :)
[17:32] <jpatrick> smarter: not here...
[17:32] <apachelogger> smarter: with kdewallet4 installed?
[17:33] <smarter> apachelogger: oh, it was not installed
[17:33] <smarter> it should be a depency of kde4-core
[17:33] <smarter> package name is kwalletmanager-kde4
[17:34] <apachelogger> smarter: tell stdin or create a bug report
[17:34]  * apachelogger is currently working on kdegames
[17:35] <stdin> smarter: it's not kwalletmanager isn't a dependency of "kde-core", why should it be of "kde4-core"?
[17:35] <smarter> stdin? ;)
[17:35] <smarter> we may need to create another meta-package
[17:36] <stdin> yeah, a kubuntu specific one
[17:36] <apachelogger> aye
[17:36] <apachelogger> kubuntu-desktop-kde4
[17:36]  * apachelogger has a started work lying around somewhere
[17:36] <apachelogger> if I didn't delete it
[17:36] <apachelogger> I ran out of diskspace earlier today ;-)
[17:36] <apachelogger> too much kde4 compilations
[17:37] <apachelogger> s/much/many
[17:37] <smarter> jpatrick: jabber account with gtalk doesn't work with kopete here :/
[17:37] <smarter> when I click on connect nothing happens
[17:38] <apachelogger> well
[17:38] <apachelogger> you have to configure it properly
[17:38] <smarter> I use the same settings I used with kopete3
[17:38] <jpatrick> smarter: override server: talk.google.com
[17:38] <apachelogger> smarter: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=Google+Talk+support
[17:38] <smarter> I already do that
[17:38] <apachelogger> double check :P
[17:39] <jpatrick> smarter: make sure libqca2-plugin-ossl is installed from k-m-4 from ppa
[17:39] <apachelogger> jpatrick: it should be a dep of network
[17:39] <apachelogger> considering stdin backported network to the ppa
[17:39] <jpatrick> apachelogger: aha! I did not know that
[17:39] <smarter> it is installed
[17:39] <smarter> ah it's an older version
[17:40] <smarter> 0.1~20070904-3~gutsy1~ppa1
[17:40] <apachelogger> cool
[17:40]  * apachelogger officially hates kbounce and doesn't try to fix the icon installation
[17:40] <jpatrick> smarter: try restarting kopete
[17:41] <smarter> jpatrick: nothing happens, except that kwallet poped up
[17:42]  * jpatrick kicks kopete into action
[17:43] <Artemis_Fowl> Won't Konversation be ported to KDE4?
[17:44] <jpatrick> smarter: check all options in Edit Account -> Connection
[17:44] <smarter> Artemis_Fowl: they're working on Konversation 1.1 for KDE3, then they'll start to work on a kde4 port
[17:45] <smarter> jpatrick: everything is checked
[17:45] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: I believe Sho_ has started work on it, now that he's done with yakuake-kde4
[17:45] <jpatrick> smarter: weird then
[17:45] <smarter> at least that's what they tell me in #konversation
[17:45] <nixternal> irssi ftw! works with everything :p
[17:46] <nixternal> I have been updating a new Windows XP install for 2 hours already, when do the updates stop
[17:46] <jpatrick> yeah and can be used with ssh
[17:46] <smarter> some guys are working on another qt4 irc client(similar to irssi) quassel
[17:46] <nixternal> jpatrick: and screen :)
[17:46] <jpatrick> quassel
[17:46] <jpatrick> nixternal: :)
[17:46] <nixternal> I heard that is going to be good
[17:46] <smarter> aseigo likes it ;)
[17:46] <nixternal> I would like to see it, but I can't find their SVN at all
[17:47] <nixternal> I don't like when people hide their code honestly
[17:47] <smarter> nixternal: it's not public atm
[17:47] <Nightrose> nixternal: it is not jet public
[17:47] <Nightrose> nixternal: I will tell you when it is
[17:47] <Jucato> packagers assemble: Yakuake 2.8.1 http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29153
[17:47] <Jucato> as well as 2.9-beta1 (for KDE 4)
[17:47] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: when will yakuake-kde4 be available (packaged)?
[17:47] <jjesse> nixternal: wow 2 hours?  i rebuilt an xp box complete w/ updates from sp1 to fully patched xp2 w/ office 2007 fully patched in under 3 hours
[17:47] <nixternal> I probably won't use it, but since you can work it similar to using irssi/ssh/screen, I will recommend it for those who don't like the cli for sure
[17:48] <yuriy> nixternal: hope you installed from a cd with the service packs. the service packs themselves take about 2 hours
[17:48] <nixternal> jjesse: I installed Office 2007 as well
[17:48] <Jucato> Artemis_Fowl: that was just released (take note, still beta :P)
[17:48] <jpatrick> Artemis_Fowl: soon
[17:48] <jjesse> nixternal: yeah i built an xp vm yesterday from scratch w/ XP Pro, 2007 Office, 2007 Visio and 2007 Project in about 3 hours
[17:48] <nixternal> this is why Windows pisses me off...yesterday when I first got this machine to work on, I plugged it into the network and booted it up...my ip is now blacklisted
[17:49] <smarter> are we going to package yakuake beta?
[17:49] <jjesse> competly patched an on my network
[17:49] <Artemis_Fowl> Damn, too much work to be done....
[17:49] <nixternal> I can't comment on blogs and email is being bounced back
[17:49] <jjesse> wow that stinks
[17:49] <jjesse> was it a fresh install when you turned it on or did i have crap on it before then?
[17:49] <nixternal> ya, I filed the stuff to get the IP taken off all 100 lists it is on
[17:49] <nixternal> it had crap on it
[17:49] <jpatrick> smarter, Jucato: do you think sho would mind with a beta package?
[17:50] <nixternal> from 4pm until 4am, I was working on this computer
[17:50]  * jpatrick asks
[17:50] <nixternal> cd keys blow ass...you can't back them up from the registry at all
[17:50] <Jucato> [01:46] <Jucato> so 2.9-beta1 is ok to be packaged?
[17:50] <Jucato> [01:46] <Sho_> yes
[17:50] <Jucato> [01:46] <Sho_> but please also tell them about 2.8.1
[17:50] <stdin> Jucato: when was it released? wasn't yesterday
[17:50] <Jucato> jpatrick: ^^^^
[17:50] <Jucato> stdin: um... 2 minutes ago
[17:50] <stdin> Jucato: well then :p
[17:50] <jpatrick> Jucato: damn
[17:50]  * jpatrick does the beta
[17:50] <Artemis_Fowl> jpatrick: nice...
[17:50] <stdin>  I was going to package it yesterday, I already have the svn one packaged
[17:50] <yuriy> yay
[17:51] <nixternal> Jucato: there is a yakuake 2.8.1? if so I need to update it in buntu, debian, and foresight asap then
[17:51] <Jucato> nixternal: yep :D
[17:51] <nixternal> k
[17:51] <Jucato> it's the end of yakuake on kde3
[17:51]  * nixternal gets 2.8.1 and commences to updating yakuake on kde3
[17:52] <jpatrick> stdin: can you dump the diff.gz somewhere? :)
[17:53] <nixternal> the kde4 beta package is also available on kde-apps
[17:53] <stdin> jpatrick: http://www.stdin.me.uk/yakuake-kde4_2.8.1~svn762219-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[17:53] <Jucato> yep
[17:54] <jpatrick> nixternal: looks like I'm on it :)
[18:01] <stdin> jpatrick: that's KDE4 version, in case the version number in that diff is confusing ;)
[18:01] <Riddell> hello from google
[18:02] <ScottK> Hello Riddell.
[18:02] <jjesse> hello from michigan
[18:03] <smarter> jpatrick: gtalk support in kopete works for you?
[18:03] <Nightrose> hey Riddell :) how is it in MV?
[18:04] <Riddell> Nightrose: nothing much happening yet
[18:04] <Nightrose> ah
[18:07] <apachelogger_> Riddell: just drinking, he? ;-)
[18:07] <apachelogger_> stdin: did you test it?
[18:07] <stdin> apachelogger_: I was running the svn version for a while yeah
[18:08]  * stdin needs to login to his kde4 session soon
[18:08] <apachelogger_> stdin: I guess it's in a usable state then? ;-)
[18:08] <stdin> apachelogger_: oh yeah, it was my main terminal emulator in kde4 (as the kde3 version is in my kde3 session)
[18:10] <apachelogger_> ok
[18:10] <apachelogger_> stdin: please explain what kubuntu_01_clean_desktop_file.patch does in the changelog
[18:10] <apachelogger_> and upload it to revu :P
[18:10] <jpatrick> smarter: yes
[18:11] <stdin> apachelogger_: it was just copied from the kde3 version, but i will
[18:12] <apachelogger_> stdin: remove debian/lintian
[18:12] <nixternal> ooh I am hungry
[18:12] <nixternal> yakuake-kde4 too :)
[18:12]  * apachelogger_ throws an apple at nixternal
[18:12] <nixternal> if it hasn't been done already
[18:12] <stdin> apachelogger_: I just wanted lintian to shut up about image-file-in-usr-lib
[18:12] <nixternal> Debian update complete, Kubuntu update complete, Foresight update complete
[18:12] <nixternal> time for some upload foo
[18:14] <apachelogger_> stdin: never override lintian errors unless it makes unbelivable much sense
[18:14] <apachelogger_> like when lintian is just wrong or something
[18:14] <apachelogger_> which is not the case
[18:15] <stdin> it not wrong, just annoying :p
[18:15] <apachelogger_> doesn't matter :P
[18:16] <apachelogger_> stdin: why do you ship the xpms?
[18:16]  * apachelogger_ thinks that doesn't make much sense without a debian menu file
[18:16] <stdin> apachelogger_: just from the old package, I removed the menu file (as a kde4 package shouldn't really have one) but just didn't remove the pixmaps
[18:17] <apachelogger_> stdin: why shouldn't a kde4 package have a menu file?
[18:17] <apachelogger_> the paths for the xpms are wrong as well I guess
[18:17] <stdin> apachelogger_: do you want the menu entry to go in /usr/share/menu/ ?
[18:18] <stdin> no other kde4 package I see goes there
[18:18] <apachelogger_> stdin: becaue somehow most have no debian menu and those who have like kdegames don't install it
[18:20] <jpatrick> stdin: could you upload the .orig* and .dsc?
[18:20] <apachelogger_> stdin: well, my opionion is: you don't have to include a debian menu and most probably I wouldn't even notice, but when you include it, do it properly ;-)
[18:20] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: revu
[18:21]  * apachelogger_ feels kinda lost today
[18:21] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: no matches for "yakuake"
[18:21] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: so stdin didn't upload yet :)
[18:21] <ScottK> We don't support Debian Menu in Ubuntu, so it'd not needed.
[18:22] <apachelogger_> ScottK: we use them in fluxbox and stuff, don't we?
[18:23] <apachelogger_> stdin: btw, are you going to use the version from kde-apps?
[18:23] <apachelogger_> or is there a special reason you got an svn snapshot?
[18:23] <ScottK> Not sure, but we don't do the Debian Menu check in our Lintian
[18:23] <stdin> apachelogger_: just got the source from there
[18:24] <apachelogger_> ScottK: yeah, non-fdo compatible menus are really the only reason for a debian menu file
[18:25] <apachelogger_> and some people feel better when they know also non-supported desktop users get the app in their menu :)
[18:26] <ScottK> It doesn't hurt to have it, but I certainly wouldn't block uploading a package due to it's lack.
[18:26] <stdin> dang, just uploaded and forgot to mention "Renamed source package to yakuake-kde4". oh well :p
[18:27] <jpatrick> stdin: "You're fired!"
[18:27] <apachelogger_> ScottK: hehe, yeah, as saied I probably wouldn't even notice
[18:27] <stdin> jpatrick: you can't fire me, I QUIT!
[18:27] <apachelogger_> stdin: you're re-employed
[18:28] <stdin> I want a pay rise though :)
[18:28] <jpatrick> stdin: ahh, Riddell used to say that to me a lot when I was first starting out
[18:28] <apachelogger_> hmmmm
[18:29] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: good ol' times, he? :P
[18:29] <ScottK> stdin: You can have it doubled.
[18:29]  * apachelogger_ notes that jpatrick never saied that to apachelogger :(
[18:29] <nixternal> OK, where is the KDE 4 yakuake? hurry!!!! Yakuake 2.8.1 updated and uploaded
[18:29] <apachelogger_> stdin: don't listen to him, he just wants you to do official backports
[18:29] <stdin> nixternal: waiting for revu to move it out of incoming
[18:30] <apachelogger_> stdin: you will get more than enough once you're a motu thingy ....
[18:30] <apachelogger_> well, not more than enough when you spend as much money as jpatrick does :S
[18:30] <stdin> heh :)
[18:30] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: dosh? what dosh?
[18:31]  * apachelogger_ notes that jpatrick is spending a lot of alcohol on money
[18:31] <apachelogger_> that really why it sometimes says strange things
[18:31] <jpatrick> err...
[18:31] <apachelogger_> like, really strange
[18:31] <apachelogger_> actually, all the time, really ;-)
[18:32]  * apachelogger_ should get jpatrick some cookies
[18:33] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: ich glaub das du dem anderem Wege meinst..
[18:34]  * stdin wonders why yakuake-kde4 shows under "Updated packages" and not "New packages"
[18:34] <apachelogger_> stdin: does it?
[18:34]  * apachelogger_ didn't notice
[18:34] <apachelogger_> http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=yakuake-kde4
[18:34] <apachelogger_> stdin: that patch looks strange
[18:35] <stdin> apachelogger_: in what way strange?
[18:35] <apachelogger_> it patches itself
[18:35] <apachelogger_> apparently
[18:36] <stdin> wth..
[18:36]  * stdin fixes
[18:37] <stdin> anything else while I'm at it?
[18:37] <apachelogger_> stdin: mind if I complain about too many newlines? ;-)
[18:38] <stdin> you can complain all you want ;)
[18:38] <apachelogger_> hooray :P
[18:38] <apachelogger_> stdin: kill rules:29
[18:39] <apachelogger_> and copyright:11 and 31
[18:39] <apachelogger_> stdin: and remove the tabs from copyright:7
[18:40] <apachelogger_> stdin: also a couple of trailing white spaces in the binary description
[18:40] <apachelogger_> otherwise it looks fine
[18:40]  * apachelogger_ testbuilds
[18:41] <stdin> took me a while to figure out how to *force* it not to use rpath
[18:41] <nixternal> DEB_CMAKE_EXTRA_FLAGS := -DKDE4_USE_ALWAYS_FULL_RPATH=OFF -DCMAKE_USE_RELATIVE_PATHS=OFF -DCMAKE_SKIP_RPATH=ON
[18:42] <nixternal> is that necessary?
[18:42] <apachelogger_> yeah
[18:42] <apachelogger_> IMHO
[18:42] <nixternal> I removed this from the upstream kde.mk to prevent just this from happening
[18:42] <nixternal> if it is necessary, then we need to add it to kde.mk and not just for yakuake
[18:42] <apachelogger_> ...also thiago was making his point on rpath pretty clear the other day
[18:42] <nixternal> but having it removed, all those options are default
[18:43] <apachelogger_> rpath is good and loveing
[18:43] <smarter> can anyone reproduce this? In KDE3, put an audio cd in your drive, launch konqueror audiocd:/ and try to launch any file with amarok
[18:43] <apachelogger_> and all statments he read which call it anything else are technically wrong he saied
[18:43] <nixternal> I stripped RPATH from kde.mk, which makes all of those options default though
[18:43] <smarter> it can't play the file
[18:43] <apachelogger_> smarter: xine doesn't support kio slaves
[18:44] <blueyed> smarter: this is already supported as a bug on LP
[18:44] <blueyed> s/sup/re/
[18:44] <stdin> nixternal: I had to add all those to get it not to link with rpath, took me a good while to get it right
[18:45] <smarter> blueyed: I'll try to find the bug
[18:45] <smarter> smplayer handles the kio slave correctly
[18:45] <nixternal> or any later version accepted by the membership of KDE e.V. (or its successor appro- ved by the membership of KDE e.V.), which shall act as a proxy defined in Section 14 of version 3 of the license.
[18:45] <nixternal> that's a new one
[18:45] <nixternal> stdin: none of the other packages do that though, is it just a yakuake thing?
[18:45] <stdin> I think that's part of the new KDE licensing policy Riddell was blogging about
[18:45] <apachelogger_> yep
[18:46] <blueyed> smarter: bug 121177
[18:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121177 in kdemultimedia "Cannot play audio CD in amarok (related to audiocd:/)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121177
[18:46] <apachelogger_> nixternal: dragonplayer is using that as well
[18:46] <nixternal> that doesn't sound "free" to me
[18:46] <apachelogger_> it is
[18:46] <stdin> nixternal: it may well be, I was surprised to see it used rpath because no other packages need anything to tell them to not
[18:46] <nixternal> has it been DFSG'ized?
[18:46] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[18:47] <nixternal> what that means is if I use it, and GPLv4 comes out, I can't upgrade my license to GPLv4 unless KDE e.V. says so
[18:47] <stdin> it just says GPL2, 3 or later (if KDE e.V. agree to it)
[18:47] <apachelogger_> nixternal: this is like you say gpl2 only
[18:47] <stdin> you'll always have to give KDE apps a license compatible with the license of the libs
[18:47] <apachelogger_> here it says gpl2 and gpl3 and possible others
[18:47] <nixternal> that is true, just thought about that on my way to the coffee maker :p
[18:50] <nixternal> Homepage: http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake
[18:50] <nixternal> stdin: ^^ http://yakuake.kde.org
[18:50] <apachelogger_> nixternal: there ain't anything :P
[18:50] <stdin> nixternal: the one points to the other ;)
[18:51] <apachelogger_> well
[18:51] <nixternal> oh it does
[18:51] <apachelogger_> nixternal is having a point there
[18:51] <apachelogger_> yakuake.kde.org is the nu address
[18:51] <apachelogger_> will be used as soon as the nu website is finished
[18:51] <apachelogger_> ...from what I know
[18:51] <nixternal> ya, all of kde is going that route eventually
[18:51] <nixternal> app.kde.org
[18:51] <stdin> [18:06] * Sho_ hopes to find the time to finish the new website later today
[18:52] <apachelogger_> nixternal: well, only if they need something more than the extragear space ;-)
[18:53] <apachelogger_> extragear.kde is having one advantage though: one gets free updates from me every half year or something :P
[18:55] <stdin> heh, I can't login to revu with "tsimpson@ubuntu.com"
[18:55] <apachelogger_> stdin: still trailing white spaces in description :P
[18:55] <apachelogger_> stdin: do you use the correct password?
[18:55] <stdin> apachelogger_: it tells me to use this to get my pass "gpg -d <<EOT ; echo"
[18:55] <stdin> :p
[18:55] <apachelogger_> yeah :P
[18:56] <apachelogger_> stdin: are you going to change the homepage tag in control?
[18:56] <stdin> apachelogger_: that was said just after this last upload, so if you want me to I can wait another 5 mins, then re-upload and it'll show in 15 mins
[18:57] <apachelogger_> stdin: I for one, want :P
[18:57] <apachelogger_> I like nu websites
[18:58] <blueyed> stdin: have you fixed the linda errors?
[18:58] <stdin> blueyed: can't, images get put in /usr/lib/kde4 for kde4 apps, and lintian will complain
[18:59] <apachelogger_> hm
[18:59] <apachelogger_> hold on
[18:59]  * stdin holds on
[18:59] <apachelogger_> stdin: didn't that thing have a manpage?
[19:00] <stdin> apachelogger_: it did, it's the same as the kde3 one, but how does one put that manpage into /usr/lib/kde4  or have it not overwrite yakuake.1.gz ?
[19:01] <apachelogger_> good point
[19:01] <apachelogger_> move along :P
[19:01] <apachelogger_> well
[19:02] <apachelogger_> stdin: technically it could be yakuake-kde4 for now
[19:02] <stdin> yeah
[19:02] <stdin> but no other kde4 apps have that, so I'm being a sheep and not making one either :p
[19:02] <apachelogger_> I leave this up to you, since the other kde4 packages have no manpages either ;-)
[19:02] <apachelogger_> stdin: you probably just need to reuse the old one :P
[19:03] <apachelogger_> anyway, with fixed homepage you get my advocate
[19:03] <stdin> well both "yakuake --help" and "yakuake-kde4 --help" show the same info
[19:15] <stdin> apachelogger_: should be up now
[19:18] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=yakuake-kde4
[19:23] <jpatrick> apachelogger_, stdin: +1
[19:23] <nixternal> patch the manpages to change their names :)
[19:23] <nixternal> I am patching all packages so that when you do 'man foo' it links to 'nixternal_is_the_man' :p
[19:24] <jjesse> i thought the patch was to show "nixternal loves vista"
[19:24] <nixternal> I am now throwing in root kits
[19:24] <nixternal> in all of my packages
[19:24] <nixternal> my little way of saying "hello there, I have your computer, is now safe" :p
[19:24]  * nixternal does love Vista!
[19:25] <apachelogger_> nixternal: how nice of you
[19:25] <nixternal> my question is this, how come XP Home and XP Pro didn't have the same themes as XP Media Center? the Media Center themes are much nicer
[19:25]  * apachelogger_ loves when his computer is safe
[19:25] <nixternal> hehe
[19:26]  * apachelogger_ goes hacking
[19:26] <apachelogger_> without any skills in Qt :D
[19:26] <apachelogger_> hrrrrrr
[19:26] <nixternal> the one good thing I like about average windows users, you can be lazy and wipe out their entire system and then tell them "there was nothing you can do, the viruses killed it."  they fall for that stuff
[19:27] <smarter> the only good xp theme is: http://oddbasket.deviantart.com/art/Royale-Remixed-44294818
[19:27] <jjesse> wow that seems mean :)
[19:27] <nixternal> void setText(const QString &text, QObject *parent=0);
[19:27] <nixternal> that is all you need to know, now go hacking :p
[19:28] <nixternal> smarter: ya, that is the Media Center theme
[19:28] <nixternal> although the top bar in a window is quite tall, other than that it is a nice and clean theme
[19:29] <apachelogger_> nixternal: thanks, mom's nurse!
[19:29]  * apachelogger_ now feels like one of the ol' pros
[19:29] <apachelogger_> muahahaha
[19:29] <apachelogger_> world domination, I'm coming!
[19:33] <apachelogger_> ha
[19:34] <apachelogger_> now I went totally wocka
[19:34]  * Nightrose is afraid
[19:34] <jpatrick> ~wocka
[19:34] <Nightrose> what did you do apachelogger_?
[19:34] <apachelogger_> stdin: instead of patching kdelibs3 to use /usr/share/applications-kde3 we can just use the old $KDEDIR/share/applnk
[19:36] <stdin> could do yeah
[19:36] <apachelogger_> that idea is so wicked minded, I really must be a genius!
[19:36]  * jpatrick is afraid with Nightrose 
[19:36] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:36] <apachelogger_> ah
[19:36] <apachelogger_> I should write that down
[19:37] <apachelogger_> currently the -kde4 wrapper scripts make my head bleed because they are causing like 3000 issues
[19:37] <Nightrose> jpatrick: you always have to be afraid when apachelogger_ goes wocka - you never know if it will bring world domination or destruction ;-)
[19:37] <apachelogger_> so we have to differ between kde3 and kde4 desktop files
[19:37] <jpatrick> Nightrose: or both
[19:38] <Nightrose> hehe right
[19:38] <apachelogger_> hence I propose a 3 dir solution
[19:38] <apachelogger_> xdg default
[19:38] <apachelogger_> kde4 default in /usr/lib/kde4
[19:38] <nixternal> who is working on a katapult kde4 port? i am not to keen on this krunner thing
[19:38] <apachelogger_> and one for kde4 used in kde3
[19:38] <nixternal> how many times do I have to hit enter for it to take off dangit
[19:38] <apachelogger_> the latter shouldn't be scanned by kde4
[19:38] <apachelogger_> and I think kde4 doesn't support the applnk crap anymore
[19:38] <Nightrose> nixternal: I didn´t really get used to it yet either :/
[19:38] <apachelogger_> so instead of patching kdelibs to use /usr/share/applications-kde4 or something
[19:39] <apachelogger_> we can just throw all the stuff in applnk
[19:39] <apachelogger_> so much for the theory
[19:39]  * apachelogger_ goes testing
[19:39] <jpatrick> nixternal: I was, but I've defered it to learn more c++
[19:40] <Riddell> nixternal: /win 302
[19:40] <Riddell> tsk
[19:40] <nixternal> huh?
[19:40] <nixternal> /win 302? you need to quit if you have that many irssi windows Riddell :)
[19:41] <apachelogger_> nixternal: actually I think it would be a good idea to implement katapult with plasma
[19:41] <apachelogger_> like krunner, maybe even share some code
[19:41] <jpatrick> how can you live with 302 wins?
[19:41] <nixternal> he has to be drunk
[19:41] <nixternal> probably on his 302nd irn bru, that's why :p
[19:41] <apachelogger_> so I better don't ask him anything :P
[19:42] <jpatrick> how can you live with 302 wins?7
[19:42] <jpatrick> arg!
[19:42] <apachelogger_> bah
[19:42] <apachelogger_> apparently kde4 still supports applnk
[19:42] <apachelogger_> what a shame
[19:43] <apachelogger_> though
[19:43] <apachelogger_> question is does it do that for /usr/ and $KDEPATH
[19:43] <apachelogger_> or only the latter
[19:46] <apachelogger_> oh
[19:46] <apachelogger_> was just kickoff being stupid
[19:46]  * apachelogger_ is feeling like dr. frankenstein
[19:48] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: get the good wine out
[19:49] <Nightrose> ;-)
[19:51] <mornfall> Hi.
[19:53] <mhb> mornfall: dobrej .o)
[19:54] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: ich brauche jetzt alk
[19:54] <mornfall> yuriy: I have pushed a bunch of changes to the public repo...
[19:54] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: ganz viel sogar
[19:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: Oo
[19:54]  * Nightrose beams alk to apachelogger_
[19:55] <Nightrose> a captain?
[19:55] <mornfall> yuriy: I have somehow managed to push them somewhere else by accident (I have thought I have pushed some of them earlier and haven't).
[19:55] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: for starters
[19:55] <apachelogger_> hrrhrr
[19:55] <mornfall> yuriy: I have not applied some of your patches (mostly the ones you didn't really like yourself).
[19:55] <mornfall> yuriy: IIRC.
[19:56] <mornfall> yuriy: I would probably suggest to you to keep an "upstream" branch separate from the one you make changes to, so you can at all times easily figure what local changes you have that are not in the "upstream" repo.
[19:58] <mornfall> yuriy: Eg. have adept-3-upstream, where you only ever pull from my public repository, and then you can run darcs pull -a --dry-run ../adept-3 to find out which patches are missing.
[19:58] <mornfall> yuriy: (In upstream, that is)
[19:59] <mornfall> yuriy: And possibly then unpull those we have agreed to reject.
[20:10] <yuriy> mornfall: hi (reading, pulling)
[20:13] <yuriy> mornfall: ones i didn't like myself? does that include the crash patch?
[20:14] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: pling
[20:14] <mornfall> yuriy: Not sure...
[20:14] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: plong
[20:14] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: can you please throw an advocate on yakuake :P
[20:14] <mornfall> yuriy: Is it excluded?
[20:14] <yuriy> checking
[20:15] <mornfall> Let me review it.
[20:15] <apachelogger_> nixternal: wanna have a final look at yakuake-kde4 as well?
[20:15] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: I did :p
[20:15] <jpatrick> hrm, need to remember passwd..
[20:15] <mornfall> yuriy: Hm, right, I didn't like that.
[20:15] <apachelogger_> :P
[20:16] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: I just don't wanna get slaped for uploading with one advocate ;-)
[20:16] <mornfall> yuriy: A better solution would be to merge the two classes. But I am still unsure about the direction you have taken wrt. the package list classes.
[20:16] <yuriy> hmm
[20:16] <mornfall> yuriy: Or to use a direct call instead of signals/slots through a virtual callback.
[20:17] <mornfall> yuriy: But this binds the classes super-tight yet still tries to look like they are separate.
[20:19] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: done :)
[20:19] <yuriy> mornfall: that's the only patch i see that you didn't include actually
[20:19] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: Danke :)
[20:20] <jpatrick> bitte
[20:21] <mornfall> yuriy: The other is:
[20:21] <mornfall> Sat Jan 12 17:20:40 CET 2008  yuriy-kozlov@kubuntu.org
[20:21] <mornfall>   * Enabled details button and synced checkbox.
[20:21] <mornfall> yuriy: That could be all.
[20:21] <yuriy> oh right, but that was earlier
[20:21] <mornfall> yuriy: (The signal passing bits I didn't like, but I haven't implemented a solution myself yet).
[20:27] <nixternal> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVku86WfVg&NR=1
[20:27] <nixternal> hahahahahaha
[20:28] <yuriy> mornfall: but with the crash, i feel like that's the right approach, i'm just not sure how to implement it better
[20:28] <nixternal> pasted that to the wrong channel, but it is funny nonetheless
[20:29] <mornfall> yuriy: It is one of the possible approaches, yes (it removes the unreliable signal/slot transport -- the other (which I have suggested) is making the code robust against signal/slot ordering issues.)
[20:30] <mornfall> yuriy: It may be indeed better to eliminate the signal/slot connection. If you want to do it without interwining the classes, there comes an idea:
[20:30] <yuriy> i meant because it doesn't try to store and upkeep the same list in two different places
[20:31] <mornfall> yuriy: That duplicity is neccessary to keep any meaningful separation between the classes. If you make one depend on another, they can no longer be used separately and it makes little sense to have them separate.
[20:31] <yuriy> mornfall: does it make sense to have them separate?
[20:32]  * apachelogger_ starts crying
[20:32] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: that is sooooo wonderful
[20:32] <Nightrose> hehe
[20:32] <apachelogger_> nixternal: hold me
[20:32] <Nightrose> tell me honey
[20:32] <mornfall> yuriy: They are basically orthogonal, so I would say yes. On the other hand, through YAGNI it is overengineered. Go figure.
[20:33] <yuriy> mornfall: YAGNI?
[20:33] <mornfall> yuriy: I would say, if you want to merge them, go ahead. If you don't, keep them orthogonal.
[20:33] <mornfall> yuriy: YAGNI = You Aren't Gonna Need It.
[20:33] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: I just made the changes I was talking about to kdebase-kde4
[20:33] <Nightrose> wohooo
[20:33] <mornfall> yuriy: An useful principle to keep in mind when deciding what to keep and what to cut.
[20:33] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: krunner works like charm without complaining about dubs reports no answer
[20:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger_: and I found a video for my presentation
[20:33] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: same thing happened for dolphin when starting for example kwrite, which locked dolphin completely
[20:33]  * Nightrose high5s apachelogger_
[20:34] <apachelogger_> ouch
[20:34] <Nightrose> ;-)
[20:34]  * apachelogger_ notes: Nightrose is doing that with quite some powa
[20:34] <Nightrose> *g*
[20:34] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: also kickoff doesn't have this stupid KDE 4 attachements anymore
[20:34] <Nightrose> yay awesome
[20:34] <apachelogger_> konqueror is konqueror and just konqueror
[20:35] <apachelogger_> soo beautiful
[20:35]  * apachelogger_ stest kde3
[20:35] <yuriy> mornfall: have you pushed changes to ept?
[20:36] <apachelogger_> Nightrose: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot64.jpg
[20:37] <Nightrose> sweetness
[20:37] <mornfall> yuriy: Now....
[20:37] <mornfall> Mea culpa, I am so forgetful.
[20:37] <apachelogger_> stdin: are you here?
[20:38]  * stdin checks
[20:38] <stdin> yes, I'm here :)
[20:38] <apachelogger_> cool
[20:38] <apachelogger_> stdin: storing kde4-xy.desktop in /usr/share/applnk works like a charm
[20:39] <apachelogger_> fixes all the annoying issues in KDE 4
[20:39] <apachelogger_> and we don't have to introduce yet another patch to kde 3
[20:40] <stdin> is there a easy/automated way to put the .desktop file in the right sub-dir?
[20:42] <yuriy> mornfall: hmm the comma/dash got corrupted again. i wonder why that's happening
[20:42] <mornfall> yuriy: Your editor, I assume...
[20:43] <mornfall> It's unicode (utf8).
[20:43] <apachelogger_> stdin: not necessary
[20:43] <apachelogger_> stdin: the dir structure is, from my understanding, only used for .kdelnk files
[20:43] <apachelogger_> for .desktop files it just scans the categories
[20:44] <stdin> that should be easy enough then
[20:49] <mornfall> yuriy: I am off to bed for tonight... see you tomorrow or so.
[20:50] <yuriy> mornfall: bye. i don't think i'll be working on this for a few days
[21:04] <wesley> is the kde4 version of ktorrent in the package manager
[21:04] <smarter> wesley: yep
[21:05] <smarter> wesley: in the PPA
[21:05] <smarter> wesley: see here to use the PPA repository: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[21:05] <wesley> i have the ppa enabled
[21:06] <smarter> wesley: so you should be able to install ktorrent-kde4
[21:07] <wesley> why amarok 2 not in it?
[21:07] <jpatrick> wesley: amarok 2 is not ready
[21:10] <wesley> i hate that that adept restart the x server
[21:11] <apachelogger_> talking about amarok2
[21:11] <jpatrick> wesley: amarok 2 is not ready
[21:11] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: wanna test whether we should throw it in the repos?
[21:11] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: dump on your ppa so you can :)
[21:12] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: nah, you can get a deb :P
[21:12] <wesley> i wanna have also a amarok 2 deb
[21:12] <apachelogger_> it's really for selected kubuntu devs to test whether it makes sense to have it available anywhere
[21:12] <apachelogger_> because really it's just gonna be a tp
[21:12] <apachelogger_> wesley: only selected kubuntu devs, sorry
[21:13] <wesley> but if you put it in the ppa then normal user could get it but something else koffice2 says break
[21:14] <apachelogger_> wesley: that's the reason why I don't put it in the ppa
[21:14] <smarter> IIRC there's a PPA somewhere with amarok2 packages for hardy
[21:14] <smarter> shouldn't be to hard to find it if you really want amarok2
[21:14] <smarter> but it's really not worth it
[21:15] <apachelogger_> smarter: god knows how old these packages are
[21:15] <wesley> its not useable ?
[21:15] <apachelogger_> wesley: did you see any indication which makes you think it is?
[21:15] <mhb> wesley: if it were, it would be in the PPA already
[21:16] <mhb> wesley: that's the reason it's not there ... even KDE4 is considered "unusable" by some people and we offer the packages ... once it seems to work at least for a one person here, I'm sure it'll arrive in the PPAs
[21:16] <wesley> okay that makes sense
[21:18] <wesley> and kde4 is indeed useable its boots faster than kde3
[21:19] <mhb> wesley: it is good to hear that it works for you
[21:20] <jpatrick> !wtm | wesley
[21:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtm - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:20] <jpatrick> !wfm | wesley
[21:20] <ubotu> wesley: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability. Please see http://geekosophical.net/random/worksforme/
[21:20] <jpatrick> ;)
[21:21] <smarter> now, that's a useful command ;)
[21:21] <apachelogger_> !info amarok2
[21:21] <ubotu> Package amarok2 does not exist in gutsy
[21:21] <smarter> but what does wfm means?
[21:21] <apachelogger_> oh my good
[21:21] <apachelogger_> !info dragonplayer
[21:21] <ubotu> Package dragonplayer does not exist in gutsy
[21:21] <jpatrick> smarter: works for me
[21:21] <jpatrick> !info dragonplayer hardy
[21:21] <ubotu> dragonplayer: Simple KDE 4 video player. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.99~beta1-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 397 kB, installed size 860 kB
[21:21] <apachelogger_> !info bsdgames
[21:22] <ubotu> bsdgames: a collection of classic textual unix games. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.17-8 (gutsy), package size 913 kB, installed size 2344 kB
[21:22] <apachelogger_> smarter: ^
[21:22] <apachelogger_> that includes an app
[21:22] <apachelogger_> called wtf
[21:22] <smarter> apachelogger_: yeah I know that one ;)
[21:22] <apachelogger_> which clarifies things like wfm :P
[21:22] <smarter> just forgot to use it ^^
[21:22] <smarter> but it doesn't know what bsd stands for :P
[21:23] <apachelogger_>  none knows :P
[21:23] <jpatrick> stdin: *phew* looks like I've made dotan happy at the kde4 vs kde3 bug report
[21:23] <apachelogger_> wtf is the kde4 vs kde3 bug report?
[21:23] <mhb> has anyone heard anything from the kaffeine team?
[21:23] <mhb> or tried some early KDE4 branches for it
[21:24] <apachelogger_> the branch is b0rked
[21:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: bug #182786
[21:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182786 in meta-kde "KDE4 should not be standard in 8.04 LTS" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182786
[21:24] <apachelogger_> not useable in any way
[21:24] <apachelogger_> mhb: dragonplayer rocks more anyway :P
[21:24] <mhb> apachelogger_: totally untrue
[21:24] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: why do you comment on that bug anyway?
[21:24] <mhb> apachelogger_: well, it's too simple
[21:24] <apachelogger_> mhb: kaffeine is bloated
[21:24] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: shut them up
[21:24] <apachelogger_> has tons of useless features :P
[21:24] <mhb> apachelogger_: right, like DVB-T support
[21:24] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: that won't work
[21:25] <apachelogger_> just ignore
[21:25] <mhb> apachelogger_: except that's the only app that has it
[21:25] <apachelogger_> kde3?
[21:25]  * apachelogger_ is confused
[21:25] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: looks like my last comment did
[21:25] <apachelogger_> and why did i open dolphin
[21:25] <apachelogger_> ah
[21:25] <apachelogger_> right
[21:25] <apachelogger_> amarok2
[21:25] <mhb> apachelogger_: also, subtitle support is awesome in kaffeine
[21:26] <smarter> smplayer(qt4) is cool too
[21:26] <apachelogger_> mhb: im somewhat sure there is a standalone dvb app
[21:26] <apachelogger_> which is not bloated
[21:26] <mhb> apachelogger_: I'm not really sure Kaffeine is that much bloated
[21:27] <apachelogger_> but kickoff is :P
[21:27] <nixternal> haha
[21:27] <mhb> apachelogger_: well, it should be as simple as possible
[21:27]  * apachelogger_ declares mhb the greater hypocrite ever, hence removes that title from himself
[21:28] <smarter> it is designed for users ^^
[21:28] <claydoh> ahh, just make kickoff taller (no scrolling), and a little narrower, and well
[21:28] <smarter> which means that I'm not an user
[21:28] <claydoh> you get a normal menu I guess
[21:28] <apachelogger_> claydoh: why not use the old menu then?
[21:28] <claydoh> thats my point :)
[21:29] <claydoh> the wife hates  kickoff
[21:29]  * apachelogger_ loves kickoff
[21:29] <apachelogger_> well
[21:29] <apachelogger_> love it isn't
[21:29] <smarter> according to kde devs you first have to get used to it
[21:29] <apachelogger_> but, like it better than the traditional
[21:29] <mhb> apachelogger_: but nah, kaffeine is overfeatured
[21:29] <claydoh> its ok for me, just crowded sometimes
[21:29] <wesley> if theres a kde4 apps from a app then kde4 will always chose the kde4 version
[21:30] <smarter> atm, even kde3 apps open kde4 apps...
[21:30] <apachelogger_> wesley: yes
[21:30] <mhb> apachelogger_: I like simple UIs, but I also like the out-of-the-box-ness that kaffeine brings with DVB-T and with subtitles and other things
[21:30] <apachelogger_> smarter: yes
[21:30] <apachelogger_> the thing is: if you have an app installed you wanna use it
[21:31] <apachelogger_> if you don't wanna use it because it's not stable or smth
[21:31] <apachelogger_> you don't want it installed
[21:31] <smarter> I don't want to mix kde3 and kde4 apps
[21:31] <apachelogger_> ...higher apachelogger logic, doesn't necessarily be logical to anyone else :P
[21:31] <apachelogger_> smarter: I so uninstall the kde3 apps :P
[21:31] <mhb> I sometimes like to have both kopetes
[21:31] <mhb> kopete 3 works, kopete 4 crashes sometimes...
[21:32] <smarter> apachelogger_: I'll do if kde4 was as fast as kde3 on my computer
[21:32] <apachelogger_> uhm
[21:32] <mhb> but I want to keep them both, because I know with each update the kopete4 is going to get better
[21:32] <smarter> mhb: s/kopete/kde ;)
[21:32] <mhb> smarter: true
[21:32] <apachelogger_> mhb: so you will have to write a wrapper for kde3
[21:32] <wesley> there where today no updates but i have trust in you guyes
[21:33] <smarter> I really hope that something magic happens in qt4.4 or kde4.1 and everything will be as fast as kde3
[21:33] <apachelogger_> wesley: updates for what?
[21:33] <mhb> apachelogger_: actually, I have some time today ... not so much learning to do
[21:33] <apachelogger_> smarter: might very well
[21:33] <mhb> apachelogger_: so what should I write? :o)
[21:34] <wesley> smarter kde4 is faster than kde3 exspecialy when booting up
[21:34] <apachelogger_> mhb: just copy your /usr/share/applications/kde/kopete.desktop to /usr/share/applications/kde3-kopete.desktop
[21:34] <apachelogger_> mhb: attach KDE 3 to the name and the generic name
[21:34] <apachelogger_> and change the path to statically lead to /usr/bin/kopete
[21:35] <smarter> wesley: yes it's faster to boot, but I don't boot kde often :P
[21:35] <apachelogger_> that will, unfortunately give you 3 kopete's
[21:35] <smarter> anyway, I'm off to bed
[21:35] <mhb> apachelogger_: we're not going to do that system-wide?
[21:35] <apachelogger_> but only until I made the KDE4for3 transition
[21:35] <mhb> I thought we would
[21:35] <apachelogger_> mhb: Oo
[21:35] <apachelogger_> mhb: well
[21:36] <apachelogger_> cp /usr/share/applications/kde/kopete.desktop to your $HOME/.kde4/share/applnk, and do the name and path changes
[21:36]  * apachelogger_ is confused
[21:37] <apachelogger_> mhb: what do you want to do exactly? ;-)
[21:37] <mhb> apachelogger_: it's not a big deal for myself, really. I just thought we were going to do this for Hardy.
[21:37] <apachelogger_> nope
[21:37] <mhb> I'm fine
[21:37] <apachelogger_> I vote against it
[21:37] <apachelogger_> we would have to touch _every_ kde3 package
[21:37] <apachelogger_> to create wrappers
[21:37] <mhb> so you do not want to have KDE3 apps available in KDE4?
[21:37] <apachelogger_> mhb: they are
[21:38] <apachelogger_> but only if the kde4 replacement is not installed
[21:38] <apachelogger_> the logic of that is described above
[21:38] <mhb> sounds like a topic for a meeting
[21:38] <mhb> to me
[21:38] <apachelogger_> totally
[21:38] <apachelogger_> well
[21:38] <apachelogger_> actually
[21:38] <apachelogger_> no
[21:38] <mhb> have we talked about it?
[21:38] <apachelogger_> it doesn't
[21:38] <apachelogger_> you can either have
[21:38] <apachelogger_> change _all_ kde3 packages
[21:39] <apachelogger_> or don't change _all_ kde3 packages
[21:39] <mhb> sure
[21:39] <apachelogger_> it ain't worth it
[21:39] <mhb> not sure
[21:39] <mhb> :o)
[21:39] <mhb> I still think it should be at least mentioned at a meeting
[21:40] <apachelogger_> well, set it on the meeting schedule plz
[21:40] <mhb> we never have anything to talk about, this is a good thing
[21:40] <mhb> I will
[21:40] <apachelogger_> along with KDE4for3 transition
[21:40] <apachelogger_> mhb: talking is overrated anyway :P
[21:40] <mhb> ah, you mean the wizard?
[21:40] <yuriy> hmm what's the problem? why would you have to change kde3 packages?
[21:40] <wesley> i think its better if everthing intergrates so everthing gots a kde4 look
[21:41] <apachelogger_> mhb: oh, that too
[21:41] <yuriy> and i think the plan was to have some kde3 programs by default to fill in the holes
[21:41] <yuriy> e.g. kdepim
[21:41] <jpatrick> amarok..
[21:42] <wesley> but those kde3 apps will be ported ?
[21:42] <mhb> sooner or later, yes
[21:43] <apachelogger_> mhb: three items: KDE3 for 4 (kde3 wrappers to be used in KDE 4, discussion about whether we really want to touch all kde3 packages to introduce a wrapper system) - KDE 4 for 3 (kde4 wrappers to be used in KDE 3, exact implimentation details like paths etc.) - KDE3 to 4 (migration wizard to let the user decied what to do with his old kde3 configs)
[21:43]  * apachelogger_ love these names :D
[21:44] <apachelogger_> kde344 kde443 kde324
[21:44] <jpatrick> stdin: yakuake-kde4 just got put into experimental
[21:44] <apachelogger_> yummy :D
[21:44] <wesley> what yakuake?
[21:45] <mhb> apachelogger_: hmm, the more I think of it, the more I think you should write it down
[21:45] <mhb> apachelogger_: because the more I think of it, the more I realize how little I know about the first points
[21:45] <apachelogger_> mhb: I say that since sunday, I just don't have time ;-)
[21:45] <apachelogger_> mhb: when is the next meeting?
[21:45] <apachelogger_> jpatrick confused me with his date/day mixing
[21:46] <mhb> next wednesday I think
[21:46] <mhb> 00:00
[21:46] <mhb> for us
[21:46] <apachelogger_> hooray
[21:46] <apachelogger_> -.-
[21:46] <apachelogger_> oh
[21:46] <apachelogger_> hold on
[21:46] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: /topic
[21:46] <apachelogger_> lol
[21:47] <apachelogger_> uhhhh
[21:47] <apachelogger_> no way I can attent that meeting
[21:47] <apachelogger_> have a test in accounting that very day
[21:47] <jpatrick> so, brain dump on the wiki
[21:47] <apachelogger_> yep
[21:47] <nixternal> ooh accounting, my favorite!
[21:47] <apachelogger_> stdin: can you attend?
[21:47] <nixternal> NOT!
[21:47] <jpatrick> just not literally please
[21:48] <apachelogger_> nixternal: I don't like it all that much either
[21:48] <nixternal> I had 4 years of that crap, so I hate it
[21:48] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: did I ever do that?
[21:48] <apachelogger_> I mean
[21:48] <apachelogger_> beside that one time
[21:48] <apachelogger_> actually did it
[21:48] <apachelogger_> and made the amarok server explode
[21:48] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: just in case ;)
[21:48] <apachelogger_> nixternal: it's my 6th year :D
[21:50] <mhb> apachelogger_: what school do you attend?
[21:50] <nixternal> 6 years of accounting? that is nuts
[21:50] <apachelogger_> business economic academy thingy
[21:51] <apachelogger_> I love when stuff is unique to austria
[21:51] <nixternal> I have 2 business degrees and never did that much accounting
[21:51] <apachelogger_> makes it tricky to explain ;-)
[21:51] <mhb> apachelogger_: is that a uni?
[21:51] <apachelogger_> mhb: nah
[21:51] <apachelogger_> well
[21:51] <apachelogger_> it's kind of like a scondary school
[21:51] <mhb> apachelogger_: or more like the secondary edu? or something in between? I always thought the German system is somehow like ours, and we go to uni around 19
[21:52] <apachelogger_> but only that it ends with the same exam
[21:52] <mhb> Austrian may be weirder :o)
[21:52] <apachelogger_> yeah
[21:52] <apachelogger_> we have like 4 different types of secondary edu
[21:52] <apachelogger_> general, business, technical and social
[21:53] <apachelogger_> after each of this you have permission to start studying
[21:53] <apachelogger_> or for the latter 3 you can as well go ahaid and work
[21:54] <apachelogger_> well, for after general 2nd edu as well, but your cances are pretty bad
[21:54] <mhb> ah
[21:55] <mhb> so you're the last year? Abitur and such? Or do I still get it wrong?
[21:55] <apachelogger_> nope, totally correct :)
[21:58] <mhb> well, let's get back to work
[22:21] <claydoh> kde4-core ain't too shabby on my athlon 1200/512mb sdram box
[22:27] <wesley> this is funny !girls
[22:27] <wesley> !girls
[22:27] <ubotu> Girls don't exist on the internet. See http://www.escapistmagazine.com/print/17/27 | http://www.xkcd.com/322/ | For more interesting reading: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Encourage-Women-Linux-HOWTO/
[22:31] <wesley> !carnaval
[22:31] <wesley> !carnaval
[22:32] <claydoh> ok kde4 isn't too shabby until I run mythtv on it as well :(
[22:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about carnaval - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:32] <ScottK> wesley: You're off topic.
[22:32] <wesley> was testing ubotu to see how smart he is
[22:43] <mhb> wesley: you can do that in a private communication with ubotu
[22:43] <wesley> can i go private white him
[22:44] <mhb> yes
[22:44] <wesley> but then i onlt got the fun
[22:44] <wesley> !vista
[22:44] <ubotu> vista is the new operating system by the evil overlords from Redmond. For more information, see http://www.badvista.org and !windows
[22:46] <mhb> wesley: #kubuntu-offtopic is a good channel for having fun with Kubuntu
[22:46] <mhb> this is more like a development channel
[23:04] <blizzzek> gn8