[00:22] <Rinchen> rjek, we've had a bi tof a delay with the imports this week
[00:23] <Rinchen> rjek, they should be processing normally now
[00:23] <rjek> Wooyay.  Ta.
[00:39] <jeevan_ullas> guys, i just created a account on launchpad and i was wondering how to join a project there?
[00:56] <jamesh> jeevan_ullas: what do you want to do exactly?
[00:57] <jamesh> (I ask because "join a project" means different things to different people)
[00:57] <jeevan_ullas> to upload stuff to project's devel branch. but yeah i have figured that out
[00:57] <jeevan_ullas> waiting for moderator approval
[00:58] <jamesh> note that you can upload your own branches on Launchpad without being associated with the project
[00:59] <jeevan_ullas> okay. that's great.
[01:00] <jamesh> with Bazaar, it is trivial for those changes to then be merged into the mainline branch
[01:57] <poolie> mpt, woot, thanks for fixing the bug colors!
[02:58] <Manfre> how do i generate an sshv2 key to use for pushing back to launchpad? I'm on windows
[03:00] <somerville32> Manfre, http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:00] <somerville32> Download the keygen application
[03:01] <Manfre> thanks
[04:25] <andrewsk1> i just reported a bug that turns out to be a duplicate of a private bug (marked a security problem?)... don't really think it's a security problem... any way to get that bug unlocked so i could contribute?
[04:25] <andrewsk1> my bug is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hugin/+bug/183681
[04:27] <Hobbsee> andrewsk1: fixed
[04:27] <andrewsk1> oh, that was easy!
[04:27] <Hobbsee> (you needed a member of MOTU or ubuntu core dev)
[04:28] <andrewsk1> yeah, makes sense... why does that happen from time to time? people unnecessarily ticking the box?
[04:31] <RAOF> Apport automatically ticks the box when it uploads a coredump, and if the apport-retracer on LP doesn't get a successfull backtrace it doesn't delete the coredump or untick the box?
[04:32] <andrewsk1> ah, gotcha
[04:32] <RAOF> And you really do want the box ticked when it's your coredump on there :)
[04:32] <andrewsk1> yeah, totally
[04:33] <Hobbsee> RAOF: actually, it doesn't seem to unmark it at all
[04:33] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why
[04:33] <andrewsk1> Hobbsee: well, my bug wasn't marked private?
[04:33] <Hobbsee> andrewsk1: hm, true
[04:33]  * Hobbsee wonders how old the other bug was then
[04:33] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Hm.  I thought mine seemed to get unmarked on successful retrace.
[04:33] <andrewsk1> Hobbsee: 14 hours old
[04:34] <andrewsk1> and yeah, RAOF, that sounds similar to what i would've said
[04:34] <Hobbsee> RAOF: they might well be now
[04:34] <andrewsk1> apport was successful with my bug, but i did go out of my way to install debugging packages appropriate to the package in question
[04:37] <andrewsk1> ok, that's all i needed... reported the bug upstream. my work here is done for now.
[04:37] <andrewsk1> thanks Hobbsee :)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: is known bug.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> (the 404)
[06:06] <Hobbsee> deemed at low, iirc.
[06:07] <Hobbsee> so don't expect a fix for a couple of years :)
[06:18] <DarkMageZ> but i can't check my email until i get that file...
[06:18] <DarkMageZ> or until seb128 fixes the evolution package
[06:28] <Hobbsee> if you can find it in librarian, good luck to you
[06:29] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: what was it, again?
[06:29] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/evolution/2.21.4-0ubuntu1/+files/evolution_2.21.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[06:31] <Hobbsee> hm, parent page has changed agian, and still is less useful than the original
[06:32] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: i believe the answer is "too bad.  no file for you"
[06:32] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: and that fujitsu filed a bug on it ages ago
[06:32] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: try to find someone with a local mirror
[06:32] <Hobbsee> who might still have those files
[06:33] <DarkMageZ> isn't this a violation of the gpl? i think the bug should be fixed.
[06:33] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: is it actually being distributed anymore?  the source was published when the binaries were.
[06:34] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, yes. i can still grab the binaries :P
[06:34] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: where from?
[06:34] <Hobbsee> LP is hiding them from me, apparently
[06:34] <Hobbsee> oh, i see
[06:35] <Hobbsee> now, iirc, you can guess the librarian URLs, as it's one more or less than the changes file
[06:35] <Hobbsee> ie, they go thru incrementally
[06:35] <Hobbsee> so seeing http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10946079/evolution_2.21.4-0ubuntu1_i386.changes may help
[06:35] <Hobbsee> of course, ti would be nice if htey actually fixed the bug.  but it's not deemed important enough
[06:36] <Hobbsee> oh wait, that's not even source changes.  that won't help
[06:37] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: so, you're screwed.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> hah.  nice @ bug 404
[06:38] <ubotu> Bug 404 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/404 is private
[06:40] <DarkMageZ> the gpl protects my rights to access source(code & packaging are under gpl) in this case. does ubuntu have legal representatives in australia? maybe that'd raise the priority a bit.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: i'm sorry - you appear to be under the impression that i actually work on launchpad?
[06:41] <DarkMageZ> i know you don't work for them :p thought you might possibly know tho.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> for some reason, i can't even file the bug, but fujitsu has talked of it repeatedly.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> er, find the bug
[06:42]  * Hobbsee cannot fix your problem
[06:42] <Hobbsee> mrevell might be able to get the appropriate person to give it a priority boost.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: to answer your question, i have no idea
[06:51] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: you could always file a bug on launchpad about it violating the GPL. 
[06:51] <Hobbsee> and see if that does anything
[06:51] <Hobbsee> especially if you do it when the europeans are actually awake
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> hmm. that could be interesting
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> i'll ask fujitsu about the original bug on it tho. file a comment there about ubuntu's gpl violation.
[07:00] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: i'm not sure that you can blame ubuntu for launchpad scrweing up it's links, and not fixing them.
[07:01] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: although, as you say, it's ubuntu's gpl violation, not launchpad
[07:01] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: he's away for at least another week and a half
[07:02] <DarkMageZ> ah. but ubuntu uses launchpad as it's web ui for source distribution. makes ubuntu responsible possibly? (also ubuntu's head company runs launchpad?)
[07:04] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: ubuntu runs launchpad by force, not by choice (excluding the choice of the powers that be)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: actually, if you did that, it'd just get marked as won'tfix on ubuntu side, as they don't have access to the code.
[07:05] <DarkMageZ> i'll file it against launchpad. cause it's a launchpad bug. but technically it's ubuntu violating the gpl.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> solution:  ubuntu moves away from launchpad, back to bugzilla.
[07:08] <Hobbsee> or something else
[07:08] <Hobbsee> that would be interesting.
[07:09] <somerville32> What if all the non-canonical employees started to use something hosted by Ubuntuwire? That would be so weird.
[07:11] <Hobbsee> somerville32: then ubuntuwire would need to move hosts :P
[07:12] <somerville32> It seems like such a long time ago we had the old UI
[07:12] <somerville32> I can't even really remember it
[07:12] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: out of curiousity, who is technically held responsible for the gpl violation of ubuntu?
[07:13] <Hobbsee> as in, who in ubuntu?
[07:13] <DarkMageZ> Hobbsee, i believe that would be the head company. as it's a company i believe it is a separate legal entity and as such can be sued :p
[07:14] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: or the foundation, presumably.
[07:14] <somerville32> I wonder if we're personally at risk
[07:14] <Hobbsee> somerville32: that's what i was wondering.
[07:14] <somerville32> Because that would sure motivate me to motivate Canonical to fix the lp problem :)
[07:14] <Hobbsee> somerville32: short of clubbing them with a large block, there's not a lot you can do
[07:14] <DarkMageZ> i think i'd have trouble convincing a judge that you 2 are personally responsible. so you're safe :p
[07:15] <Hobbsee> DarkMageZ: i was thinking of the core developers collectively, or something
[07:15] <Hobbsee> but you're right - i suspect it's either canonical or the ubuntu foundatino
[07:15] <Hobbsee> ie, mark on both counts.
[07:15] <DarkMageZ> the core developers don't have the money to be worth going after. head company or the foundation ?
[07:15] <somerville32> Wait... money
[07:16] <somerville32> What damages have you incurred by me not providing the source code?
[07:16] <DarkMageZ> not being able to access my email?
[07:16] <somerville32> lol
[07:16] <DarkMageZ> lol. if i was serious. i'd be going after the guys with money :p
[07:16]  * somerville32 stops trying to play lawyer because he suxs
[07:18] <somerville32> Well, I should get to bed
[07:18]  * somerville32 waves.
[07:18] <DarkMageZ> later man
[07:58] <jml> Hobbsee: clubbing us with a large block is unlikely to help anyone :)
[08:23] <Hobbsee> jml: no?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> jml: i thought everything could be solved with a large enough block of concrete.
[08:23] <jml> Hobbsee: it's hard to fix bugs when your head hurts.
[08:24] <jml> Hobbsee: you aren't studying civil engineering by any chance?
[08:24] <Hobbsee> jml: nope
[08:24] <jml> Hobbsee: it just sounds like something that my engi friends might say
[08:25] <Hobbsee> jml: no.  but i've gone to work today, so...
[08:46] <carlos> morning
[08:49] <KimHansen> Where can I read the text that I write in the "Bug reporting guidelines" ?
[09:07] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:31] <Hobbsee> morning mpt 
[10:06] <DarkMageZ> hi, can someone translate https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/evolution/2.21.4-0ubuntu1/+files/evolution_2.21.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz to a working url?
[10:07] <DarkMageZ> it's the url i get on the source package for that release for the .diff.gz. but it's broken.
[10:11] <DarkMageZ> the file no-longer exists on archive.ubuntu.com due to overzealous cleaning.
[10:11] <bigjools> actually it's due to a bug :)
[10:12] <soren> DarkMageZ: You might be able to reconstruct it from the stuff in http://patches.ubuntu.com/by-release/atomic/ubuntu/e/evolution/
[10:12] <DarkMageZ> ... so there's no copy of it?
[10:13] <bigjools> it will be in Launchpad, you just can't get to it at the moment.  We're fixing that today.
[10:13] <DarkMageZ> eta on fix?
[10:14] <bigjools> Next week for the official LP 1.2.1 release, or on staging tomorrow
[10:17] <DarkMageZ> timezones make these tomorrow & yesterday words meaningless. any chance on sneaking me a copy of the file i'm after?
[10:23] <stub> DarkMageZ: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/10943007/evolution_2.21.4-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[10:23] <DarkMageZ> stub, thanks
[11:15] <ubotu> New bug: #183737 in malone "Look for error message when fetching bug status from SourceForge, e.g. when a bug is private" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183737
[12:10] <ubotu> New bug: #183747 in soyuz ""Show Inactive [ ]" checkbox is miscapitalized and back-to-front" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183747
[12:26] <ubotu> New bug: #183749 in soyuz "PPA package table has stray cell at the end of each row" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183749
[13:36] <Rinchen>  bug 138928
[13:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138928 in launchpad-answers "There is no way to create a FAQ without a question" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138928
[13:38]  * rjek 's logic centre explodes.
[13:40] <kiko> Rinchen, that is an annoying bug that francis doesn't wanna fix.
[13:41] <Rinchen> I saw that poolie pinged me about that last night in support too
[13:41] <kiko> I'm joking about francis btw
[13:41] <kiko> but it's annoying
[13:41] <Rinchen> yeah I know :-)  Him and Curtis are both quite well aware that it's annoying to others.
[13:55] <SteveA> kiko: !
[13:56] <kiko> hey SteveA 
[13:56] <rjek> Gah, it's still importing the wxLua CVS.
[13:56] <LongPointyStick> SteveA!
[13:57] <rjek> Where can CSCVS be downloaded from?  It's got to the point where I suspect it'll be quicker to do the import myself.
[13:59] <kiko> rjek, launchpad.net/cscvs, though have you noticed the FAQ on imports?
[14:04]  * kiko pushes intellectronica into #launchpad-meeting
[14:04] <kiko> and gmb too
[14:04] <kiko> slackers
[14:05] <intellectronica> kiko: thanks
[14:06]  * kiko gives gmb a #
[14:09] <rjek> kiko: There's a FAQ?  Where is it?  I didn't spot one.
[14:10] <rjek> kiko: 404 on your cscvs URL, too.
[14:10] <kiko> rjek, sorry, launchpad.net/launchpad-cscvs
[14:10] <rjek> Right.
[14:10] <kiko> and http://launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faq
[14:10] <kiko> gar
[14:10] <kiko> https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faqs
[14:11] <rjek> ta
[14:12] <rjek> kiko: That FAQ has no entry for "What if Launchpad says it's currently importing, but it's taking days?"
[14:13] <kiko> rjek, the answer is ask a question at answers.launchpad.net.
[14:13] <rjek> Right.
[14:14] <kiko> thumper and mwh are the people to ask on IRC btw
[14:15] <rjek> kiko: OK, ta.
[14:15] <rjek> Question asked.
[14:20] <ubotu> New bug: #183626 in launchpad "OOPS accessing openid identification URL of a non-existent user" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183626
[14:23]  * rjek wonders which package zope.interface is in.
[14:23] <salgado> rjek, python-zopeinterface
[14:24] <rjek> ta.
[14:26] <rjek> Gah, its readme covers tla and not bzr.
[14:26] <kiko> rjek, it's just because the readme is old, but update it!
[14:28] <rjek> If I knew what to update it with, I would have no need to read the README, and thus not noticed it needed updating :-p
[14:30] <kiko> heh
[14:31] <kiko> rjek, did you look at the FAQ I mentioned btw?
[14:31] <rjek> Yes.  It didn't have any relevant questions.
[14:32] <kiko> well well
[14:32] <kiko> rjek, not even https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faq/26 ?
[14:32] <kiko> maybe I'm confused as to what you're doing.
[14:36] <rjek> Sorry, I've been hit by Launchpad's stonkingly poor UI.  I visited https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar/+faqs as you suggested, and it lists only three questions.
[14:36] <kiko> rjek, okay so far. it does -- there are only 3 faqs.
[14:37] <rjek> But no, that question (26) does not answer mine.
[14:37] <kiko> rjek, so I'm not sure what the poor UI is (and I resent the stonkingly)
[14:38] <rjek> So 26 does not refer to the 26th question?
[14:38] <kiko> rjek, it's the 26th faq within launchpad, overall
[14:38] <kiko> the ID is a bit confusing, you're right though
[14:38] <rjek> My questions, quite simply, are: why has an import taken over 2 days?  How long can I expect it to take?  How can I see the status of an import?
[14:38] <kiko> we could fix that
[14:39] <kiko> rjek, it rarely takes more than 2 days -- it's likely that something broke. the import system is a bit opaque, so there's not very good feedback (it is quite complex to be honest) but if you ask thumper or mwh they can give you detail
[14:41] <ubotu> New bug: #183778 in launchpad "Mailman's "more information" link on web UI mailing list page is broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183778
[14:45] <rjek> kiko: OK, thankyou.  I will await one of them to unidle here before asking.
[14:45] <kiko> rjek, they are both in Australia time which is why that might take a big
[14:45] <kiko> a bit, err
[14:46] <rjek> Oh well.  I assume somebody who knows a little about the system is around, as somebody who is a moderator of such things kicked it off after I filed the request.
[14:46] <Hobbsee> kiko: are you aware that the ubuntu mobile team tried ppa for some of their images recently/
[14:47] <kiko> Hobbsee, did not know that, but that's awesome news. do you have any feedback to forward me?
[14:48] <Hobbsee> kiko: bits and pieces.  they couldn't get very far, as ppa was down at the time.  the lack of global build queue gives them no indication about how far up the queue their stuff is, what there is before it, giving them a general eta of when things will be ready for them
[14:49] <kiko> Hobbsee, ppa was down? 
[14:49] <kiko> Hobbsee, anything else apart from lack of global build queue?
[14:49] <Hobbsee> kiko: various people are commenting on how it takes ages between getting their stuff uploaded, to seeing the binaries done, and in the archives for users to use
[14:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: yeah.  i've heard the reason, and i'ts best left as 'don't ask'
[14:50] <kiko> Hobbsee, by ages they mean an hour?
[14:50] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure.  an hour or two, yeah.
[14:50] <Hobbsee> depends if people have uplaoded ooo ;0
[14:50] <kiko> Hobbsee, I don't understand what it means, though "is down". launchpad wasn't down. was the ppa upload service down, is that what you mean?
[14:50] <Hobbsee> fyi, i have no working shiftkey, so my typos are a bit strange
[14:50] <Hobbsee> kiko: yes
[14:50] <kiko> oh
[14:51] <kiko> nice typos
[14:52] <Hobbsee> it apperas that most people are managing to be able to upload source changes, but some of the other parts are confusing them, like the copying of .orig.tar.gz's, etc
[14:52] <Hobbsee> but that didn't come from mobile, that's just general feedback
[14:55] <Hobbsee> the in-progress faq should help with that
[14:55] <kiko> Hobbsee, the copying or reuse?
[14:55] <bigjools> Hobbsee: talking of which, do you have any more feedback on it for me?
[14:55] <Hobbsee> kiko: more the cryptic message about the mismatch md5sum
[14:56] <Hobbsee> kiko: it would help if that mail message were clarified
[14:56] <Hobbsee> bigjools: i've not lookeda t it again
[14:56] <kiko> Hobbsee, is there a bug filed on it? sounds easy
[14:56] <bigjools> Hobbsee: re. md5sum, you think the message is not clear enough?
[14:56] <Hobbsee> bigjools: no
[14:57] <Hobbsee> bigjools: well, sure, it tells you that the md5sum is unclear - but doesn't tell you what the md5sum is actually from - like, pointing out that it's from the ubuntu archives, and has been copied over for you, and what to do
[14:57] <Hobbsee> kiko: no idea.  i've gotten a bit disollusioned with filing bugs, tbh ;0
[14:58] <kiko> I am disollusioned by so much negativity and typos
[14:58] <bigjools> lol
[14:58] <Hobbsee> kiko: sorry ;0
[14:58] <Hobbsee> want me to restart x, then come back/
[14:58] <philn> hi there!
[14:58] <kiko> hey philn 
[14:58] <kiko> Hobbsee, restarting X fixes negative attitude problems? wow I want one of those too
[14:59] <Hobbsee> hah :0
[14:59] <Hobbsee> no, but it will give me back my shift key
[14:59] <philn> i have a PPA repository, but for Hardy only. How can I get one for Gutsy too?
[14:59] <Hobbsee> and alt and win and capslock and escape and ctrl
[14:59] <kiko> philn, just upload packages for gutsy. it just works. :)
[14:59] <Hobbsee> philn: stick gutsy as the target in debian/changelog of your source package
[14:59] <philn> oh, gonna try that ;)
[15:00] <geser> philn: and you need a different version than you have in your hardy ppa
[15:00] <philn> well my hardy ppa is currently empty, anyway
[15:00] <Hobbsee> kiko: i could sing it's praises if you like.  there's some nice stuff about ppa, like not having to mess around with creating your own repository, pbuilder, etc.
[15:00] <kiko> right
[15:01] <kiko> that's a start
[15:01] <kiko> you can now also recognize the dozens of bugs fixed by our crack team of 2 over the past two months
[15:02] <Hobbsee> indeed
[15:02] <Hobbsee> i'm not saying that i'ts crap.  i'm slightly more focussed on the stuff that it would do really well to improve on, so you get better adoption though.
[15:08] <philn> ok my pkg was uploaded.. how much time does it take to be processed then?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> if you're lucky, an hour until all the binaries get built
[15:11] <philn> "Rejected: Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution." :(
[15:11] <kiko> philn, you're uploading to the wrong service it sounds
[15:12] <kiko> philn, or maybe, hmmm, does Launchpad not know your GPG key?
[15:12] <Hobbsee> !!!
[15:12] <Hobbsee> :D
[15:12] <philn> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'universe' of file 'python-gdata_1.0.9-1ubuntu1.dsc'
[15:13] <philn> yes seems like i use the wrong component
[15:13] <kiko> philn, where are you uplloading to?
[15:13]  * Hobbsee susepcts you also uploaded to ubuntu
[15:13] <philn> fqdn = ppa.launchpad.net
[15:13] <kiko> philn, and ~philn/ubuntu/ ?
[15:13] <kiko> philn, how odd.
[15:14] <kiko> philn, can I see a copy of that email?
[15:14] <philn> incoming = ~philippe-normand/ubuntu/
[15:14] <philn> sure
[15:14] <kiko> philn, or actually, can bigjools
[15:14] <kiko> Julian Edwards <ed@julian-edwards.com>
[15:14] <geser> philn: did you change default for dput? because default is uploading to Ubuntu
[15:14] <philn> i'll paste my dput config
[15:15] <philn> http://pastebin.ca/858525
[15:16] <philn> kiko: fwded the mail
[15:16] <philn> i followed instructions at https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart .. maybe i missed something :(
[15:17] <philn> "Package includes an .orig.tar.gz file although the debian revision suggests that it might not be required. Multiple uploads of the .orig.tar.gz may be rejected by the upload queue management software." .. dput said; that might be the reason of the reject
[15:18] <geser> philn: and the command you used was "dput my-ppa your_pkg.changes"?
[15:19] <philn> yes
[15:19] <geser> including the "my-ppa"?
[15:19] <philn> ho, hmm no ;)
[15:20] <philn> woohoo "Successfully uploaded packages."
[15:20] <geser> philn: if you leave it out dput uses the default specified in /etc/dput.cf and uploads to the Ubuntu archive
[15:21] <philn> understood
[15:21] <philn> dude, that was fast ;)
[15:24] <philn> thx for the help
[15:29] <philn> ok my pkg is published as source now, just need to wait for binary build i guess
[15:30] <geser> yes
[15:35] <ubotu> New bug: #183787 in launchpad-answers "No way to delete a FAQ" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183787
[16:14] <Hobbsee> mrevell: ping
[16:15] <mrevell> hi Hobbsee. 
[16:15] <Hobbsee> ah ha!  you are still here then
[16:38] <philn> one of my build failed, will PPA retry to build it? a build-dep (which is in my ppa) was missing, that build-dep has now been compiled
[16:46] <ubotu> New bug: #183803 in blueprint "Can't link from a bug report to a blueprint" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183803
[16:59] <geser> philn: PPA will not retry automatically, but you should have a retry link on the build page for the failed build
[17:03] <philn> yes, i found it, thx
[17:03] <philn> PPA is really handy, thx for providing this service
[17:03] <thumper> rjek: ping
[17:04] <rjek> thumper: pong.
[17:05] <thumper> rjek: the wxLua import blew up part way trough
[17:05] <thumper> rjek: how active is the project?
[17:05] <rjek> Reasonably.
[17:05] <thumper> rjek: since it is CVS I was wondering if it could possibly be due to someone committing while it was trying to import it
[17:05] <rjek> I've been on the mailing list about a week, and I'd say they've mentioned 10 or so CVS checkins on the list.
[17:05] <thumper> rjek: but I really don't know
[17:06] <rjek> thumper: Can you restart it and see if we get lucky?
[17:06] <thumper> rjek: sure
[17:06] <rjek> Ta.
[17:06] <thumper> rjek: I've been working through quite a few imports, and haven't yet marked the failed ones as failed
[17:06] <thumper> rjek: will do today
[17:07] <rjek> OK, thanks.
[17:07] <kiko> thumper! great to see you.
[17:07] <thumper> kiko: hey
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #183815 in launchpad "Deactivate account form asks for password in each field but only one password field given" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183815
[18:54] <ScottK> Are PPA build queues displayed on LP anywhere (like the Ubuntu ones are)?
[19:12] <kiko> ScottK, not yet, work in progress
[19:12] <ScottK> kiko: Thanks.  I guess I'll just have to be patient.
[19:14] <thumper> rjek: just an update, the import is getting much further this time, but still running
[19:28] <rjek> thumper: \o/
[20:01] <bigon> hi i'm using requestsync but it doesn't work
[20:02] <bigon> I get a mail back : http://paste.debian.net/47114
[20:05] <rjek> thumper: Assuming nothing else goes wrong, are we talking minutes, hours, or days until that CVS import is finished?
[20:05] <rjek> I need to plan my development time.
[20:05] <thumper> rjek: it depends
[20:05] <geser> bigon: have you the original mail? looks like it tried to parse something from the changelog
[20:06] <thumper> rjek: on how big and complex the repository is
[20:06] <thumper> rjek: I've seen some succeed in 5 minutes
[20:06] <thumper> rjek: large repos can take multiple days
[20:06] <rjek> Right.
[20:06] <thumper> rjek: import is still running
[20:06] <rjek> I have no idea how complex wxlua's is. :)
[20:06] <bigon> geser: http://paste.debian.net/47115
[20:06] <thumper> rjek: how big is the codebase?
[20:07] <rjek> thumper: It's a bunch of auto-generated bindings to a scripting language that's trivial to bind C/C++ code to, so not vast I imagine.
[20:07] <thumper> rjek: kloc?
[20:08] <rjek> I'm just installing sloccount... :)
[20:08] <rjek> 128,158 lines.  And a chunk of that will be their imported version of Lua which will have few changes.
[20:08] <rjek> Actually, Lua's only 12,656 lines.
[20:11] <geser> bigon: looks like malone tried to parse line 182 (of the pastebin) as a command for itself and failed
[20:16] <debian-is-me> Hello
[20:17] <debian-is-me> Launchpad is an coordination tool for open source stuff?
[20:17] <debian-is-me> Am I right?
[20:18] <debian-is-me> Anyone here?
[20:20] <rjek> debian-is-me: Ish.  It's a system for tracking bugs, handling translations, milestones, development plans, and such.
[20:21] <debian-is-me> Can I use it for my project?
[20:21] <rjek> Is it free software?
[20:21] <debian-is-me> It can
[20:21] <debian-is-me> be
[20:22] <rjek> Then yes.  It'll even host the source code if you use bzr.
[20:22] <debian-is-me> bzr?
[20:22] <rjek> bazaar.  A distributed version control system.  http://www.bazaar-vcs.org/
[20:22] <debian-is-me> ok
[20:23] <rjek> Also, take whatever I say on the subject with a pinch of salt: I am not an official mouthpiece.
[20:23] <debian-is-me> So it can handle diffrent versions of php files, and a way to manage them?
[20:23] <debian-is-me> ok
[20:23] <debian-is-me> It can show my users the updated files, and then let them update them?
[20:23] <debian-is-me> But still have the old versions
[20:25] <rjek> Yes.
[20:25] <rjek> It tracks the history of all your files so you can see who did what, and go back in time etc.
[20:25] <debian-is-me> ok
[20:25] <debian-is-me> Cool
[20:26] <debian-is-me> Then I will have to start my project... Several pages of code, boring.
[20:27] <bigon> geser: should I open a bug report?
[20:28] <geser> bigon: good question
[20:30] <debian-is-me> What license should I use? I really dont care. Hello bigon
[20:30] <gryc> debian-is-me: GPL3 :D
[20:30] <rjek> debian-is-me: If you don't care, use MIT. :)
[20:31] <debian-is-me> Hehe
[20:31] <gryc> yeah, what he said XD
[20:31] <rjek> I'm so glad one of the larger open-source projects I'm involved in voted to remove the "or later" from the licence comments and files wrt the GPL.
[20:33] <thumper> debian-is-me: if you have any questions about hosting of code, feel free to ping me
[20:33] <thumper> debian-is-me: I am a LP dev
[20:33] <debian-is-me> I dont understand lanchpad
[20:34] <rjek> debian-is-me: Do you understand Sourceforge?  The concepts are similar, except Launchpad is somewhat more modern.
[20:34] <debian-is-me> Where do I start writing my source code?
[20:34] <rjek> On your computer.
[20:34] <debian-is-me> And how do I get them to launch pad? And cant my "little helpers" edit it in their browsers?
[20:35] <rjek> If you're going to use bzr, then https://launchpad.net/launchpad-bazaar may be of some help.
[20:36] <debian-is-me> So I have to register on bzr to?
[20:36] <rjek> No, bzr is just a program you download and use.
[20:37] <rjek> Then you tell bzr to push your code code to Launchpad.
[20:37] <Ullner> How can I subscribe to the bug tracker of a project, without being part of the driving or assigned team?
[20:38] <debian-is-me> Download link?
[20:39] <rjek> debian-is-me: For bzr?  It's on http://www.bazaar-vcs.org/ Or, if you're using Debian as your nick suggests, apt-get install bzr
[20:39] <debian-is-me> Not on debian right now
[20:39] <debian-is-me> Even though it is my favorite os
[20:40] <debian-is-me> So everyone need the bzr installed on their computers=
[20:40] <debian-is-me> ?
[20:43] <debian-is-me> bzr is command line, scary!
[20:44] <rjek> No.  Nothing's forcing you to use bzr.  It's just you need to use bzr in some fashion to have revision history stored on Lauchpad.  You can use CVS or Subversion if you like, but you need to have your own CVS or Subversion server publically visible to Launchpad.
[20:44] <rjek> bzr's easier than it looks.  There are good tutorials on its website.
[20:47] <debian-is-me> Ok
[20:47] <debian-is-me> I wanted to keep it browser based
[20:47] <debian-is-me> To make it easy
[20:47] <rjek> You want to develop your software entirely in a browser?
[20:47] <debian-is-me> Yes
[20:47] <debian-is-me> It is php
[20:47] <debian-is-me> Simple coding
[20:47] <debian-is-me> Lots of small changes
[20:47] <rjek> Well, Launchpad doesn't offer a text editor, so you'll find it hard to give it your source code.
[20:48] <debian-is-me> yup
[20:48] <beuno> debian-is-me, you also have some graphical tools for bzt
[20:48] <debian-is-me> Is there anyone that is better?
[20:48] <beuno> like bzr-gtk, and bzr-eclipse
[20:48] <gryc> debian-is-me: I've gone that route, you're better off doing it on your computer and pushing it to launchpad
[20:49] <debian-is-me> It is like 20-25 pages of php code, it should be easy to code in the browser, and that would make it easyer to get my "little helpers" to look at the code.
[20:50] <debian-is-me> gryc: What did you use?
[20:51] <rjek> debian-is-me: Seems like your first task is to write a web app that lets people edit source code and check it into bzr. :)
[20:51] <gryc> debian-is-me: I think I wrote my own XD
[20:51] <rjek> Launchpad doesn't really provide any features that you can usefully do on your own computer.
[20:51] <debian-is-me> Suddenly this project became wery big...
[20:51] <rjek> Plus, it'll be a lot of work to write a webapp that provides a text editor as good as Vim. >:)
[20:52] <debian-is-me> I'll ask the wikipedia people for the answer
[20:52] <rjek> debian-is-me: Stuff written in PHP is always a chore. :)
[20:52] <debian-is-me> I only wanted a simple game, and then edit it in my browser. So I wouldnt have to download the files to every computer...
[20:53] <gryc> get a flash drive :P
[20:53] <debian-is-me> It seams my windows computers doesnt like what my linux computers write on it
[20:54] <debian-is-me> And my usb sticks always seams to dissapear on bad times
[20:56] <rjek> Download PuTTY on the Windows boxes and ssh to your Linux box for doing your dev.
[20:56] <debian-is-me> I have putty
[20:57] <debian-is-me> Maby I should only make a wikipedia article?
[20:57] <rjek> Problem solved.
[20:58] <rjek> You want to keep your source code in a wikipedia article? Boggle!
[20:58] <gryc> hey, it has revision control :P
[20:58] <debian-is-me> Yes
[20:58] <debian-is-me> I wont have to login
[20:58] <debian-is-me> It will be stored safely
[20:58] <debian-is-me> Is there any reason not to?
[20:59] <gryc> well you cant work offline, there's no tools to pull multiple files in one go, you dont get launchpad integration
[21:00] <debian-is-me> Damn
[21:00] <debian-is-me> It would be an advantage to download the files
[21:00] <somerville32> You still have to download the files
[21:00] <somerville32> The text doesn't magically appear on your screen
[21:01] <debian-is-me> In my web browser they do...
[21:02]  * rjek gives up here, assuming debian-is-me is a troll.
[21:02]  * gryc starts work on bzr-mediawiki :P
[21:03] <debian-is-me> No, I'm not. I need an simple solution, I wont download and learn to use software. Because my software is so small, it will only take a few days to make and complete it.
[21:03] <gryc> well, get bzr and go from there :D
[21:04] <debian-is-me> Seams like an overkill.
[21:05] <thumper> rjek: wxLua has succeeded the first pass
[21:06] <thumper> rjek: this has only just happened, so give it a few minutes
[21:06] <rjek> thumper: \o/  Thanks!
[21:23] <rjek> Hmm.  I need a name for my i18n library that's more punny and whimsicle than "gettext"
[21:32] <gryc> "Garble"? :P
[21:32] <rjek> I like the sound of "tongue" :)
[21:33] <rjek> Does Launchpad have any support for handling translations of stuff not stored in gettext, btw?
[21:41] <thumper> rjek: not sure, ping jtv later
[21:43] <rjek> thumper: OK, thanks for the pointer.
[21:44] <thumper> rjek: even better, https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion
[21:45] <thumper> rjek: or https://answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/+addquestion (removed .edge)
[21:45] <rjek> An excellent suggestion, as always.
[21:57] <Ubulette> all builders are broken (111, 'Connection refused').. is this expected/known ?
[22:04] <Ubulette> nm, seems fixed now
[22:17] <Ubulette> would be nice to have ppa builders listed in "build queue depths" (/+builds)