| bspencer | if I want to get the source for cheese, how do I do that? | 00:38 |
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| bspencer | what is the /etc/apt/sources.list value? | 00:38 |
| amitk | bspencer: add a new line with deb-src instead of deb. everything else remains the same | 00:40 |
| bspencer | deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports gutsy main restricted universe multiverse | 00:40 |
| bspencer | ? | 00:40 |
| amitk | should be good | 00:41 |
| bspencer | or maybe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ... I'll try that | 00:41 |
| amitk | TeTeT: hey Torsten | 00:41 |
| TeTeT | amitk: Hi Amit, staying up late? | 00:42 |
| amitk | TeTeT: 3rd night in a row now | 00:42 |
| TeTeT | amitk: ouch, deadline approaching? | 00:42 |
| amitk | TeTeT: how are you doing? | 00:42 |
| TeTeT | amitk: doing fine, currently in Taiwan, visiting partners | 00:43 |
| amitk | TeTeT: yeah.... trying to get graphics drivers on UME to behave with our kernel | 00:43 |
| TeTeT | amitk: I've read about poulsbo on the mailing list | 00:43 |
| amitk | TeTeT: good for you! You aren't going to be in London next week, are you? | 00:43 |
| TeTeT | amitk: no, I'm not coming for the sprint. Would I be needed there? | 00:44 |
| amitk | TeTeT: not really, just wondering if there is a coincidence | 00:44 |
| amitk | TeTeT: moving back to Germany soon? | 00:45 |
| TeTeT | amitk: I need to re-think my move back, relationship troubles | 00:46 |
| amitk | TeTeT: sorry about that | 00:47 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:11 |
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| alek_desk | amitk, there is a meeting today, right? | 11:56 |
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| amitk | alek_desk: yes there is | 11:56 |
| alek_desk | amitk, thanks. | 11:56 |
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| Mithrandir | hm | 15:01 |
| * Mithrandir ponders how exactly to change ubuntu-meta for just mobile. I guess we can use the -mobile branch and point our PPA package to that. | 15:01 | |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ^^; it seems like update.cfg points to p.u.c/~cjwatson/seeds; that's just a seed mirror, right? | 15:08 |
| Mithrandir | so I should be able to point it to LP? | 15:08 |
| * Hobbsee thought that was a redirect | 15:08 | |
| cjwatson | Mithrandir: update uses --bzr by default, so we use the [hardy/bzr] section for that not [hardy] | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | so in fact we use bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ | 15:11 |
| Mithrandir | ahkay. | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | if you need to change it for just mobile, I think I'd recommend a different source package | 15:12 |
| Mithrandir | why? It'll be in a PPA. | 15:12 |
| Mithrandir | cjwatson: ^ | 15:15 |
| Mithrandir | (sorry if you're busy, just thinking you might be paying less attention to this channel than others. :-) | 15:15 |
| cjwatson | oh, PPA, sure | 15:16 |
| cjwatson | I don't care then :) | 15:16 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good. I'd be insane to do this in the main archive, agreed. :-) | 15:17 |
| cjwatson | and indeed, I only really follow this channel when highlighted | 15:19 |
| lool | Mithrandir: Is NM (daemon) running though? | 15:24 |
| Mithrandir | lool: yes | 15:25 |
| * Mithrandir blames dbus | 15:25 | |
| lool | Mithrandir: Does restarting dbus help? | 15:26 |
| Mithrandir | no, that breaks things further; hald doesn't want to restart and it goes downhill from there | 15:27 |
| lool | Ah got the hal issue too | 15:28 |
| Mithrandir | rebooting fixed that, though | 15:29 |
| Mithrandir | and stevenk's fix broke my hostname. :-/ | 15:29 |
| lool | Not easy to fix when you can't sudo :-/ | 15:30 |
| Mithrandir | boot with break=bottom works, though | 15:30 |
| * Mithrandir is lazy and just reinstalls | 15:33 | |
| Mithrandir | *whine*; now I don't get any applets any more. | 16:02 |
| Mithrandir | ah, unwhine. It was just old packages. | 16:06 |
| Mithrandir | nm-applet works now that I twiddled the config slightly. | 16:06 |
| Mithrandir | it seems like it doesn't think we're on the console | 16:06 |
| asac | Mithrandir: hmm ... that would explain the issue amitk complained about the other day | 16:07 |
| Mithrandir | yup | 16:07 |
| asac | Mithrandir: do you have /bin/check-foreground-console ? | 16:08 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 16:08 |
| asac | and does it succeed? | 16:09 |
| Mithrandir | njet | 16:10 |
| Mithrandir | good $time_of_day everybody. | 16:56 |
| Mithrandir | davidm,lool,amitk,agoliveira: around for the meeting? | 16:56 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Yep | 16:56 |
| amitk | yup | 16:56 |
| alek_desk | hello | 16:57 |
| Mithrandir | hiya alek | 16:59 |
| alek_desk | hoya:) Mithrandir | 17:00 |
| Mithrandir | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is Mithrandir. | 17:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 17:00 |
| agoliveira | Coup d'État? :) | 17:01 |
| Mithrandir | rustyl: is Mauri around and planning to attend? | 17:01 |
| Mithrandir | nah, davidm asked me to drive today. | 17:01 |
| Mithrandir | and since I've only had tea to drink, I think I'm fit. | 17:01 |
| davidm | agoliveira, yep what he said | 17:01 |
| Mithrandir | well, tea and water. | 17:01 |
| agoliveira | You guys are boring :) | 17:02 |
| rustyl | i'm online, doing multiple things... so slow response | 17:02 |
| ToddBrandt | here | 17:02 |
| Mithrandir | hiya Don_Johnson | 17:02 |
| Don_Johnson | I'm here too. | 17:02 |
| Mithrandir | and hiya ToddBrandt, Bob | 17:02 |
| bspencer | hi | 17:03 |
| davidm | OK for the first open action we have ChickenCutlass here so we can go | 17:03 |
| Mithrandir | sure | 17:03 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] Michael Frey to test the ext3 image boot speed before weeks end. | 17:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Michael Frey to test the ext3 image boot speed before weeks end. | 17:03 |
| Mithrandir | ChickenCutlass: how did that go? | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | Tried it -- no faster | 17:04 |
| davidm | Interesting, would have expected some speedup. | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | same performance as shashfs | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | squashfs | 17:04 |
| ChickenCutlass | takes up lots more space however :) | 17:04 |
| Mithrandir | naturally. | 17:04 |
| mdz | ChickenCutlass: is the startup process still CPU limited according to bootchart? | 17:05 |
| Mithrandir | do you have bootcharts to compare the two? | 17:05 |
| ChickenCutlass | no -- I do not yet have bootcharts -- I did the stopwatch approach | 17:05 |
| agoliveira | ChickenCutlass: That's odd. There should be any improvment exactly due the CPU limitation I saw in the charts. | 17:06 |
| davidm | ChickenCutlass, can you run bootchart on the ext3 boot so we can see exactly what is happening? | 17:06 |
| ChickenCutlass | I will build some charts so we can see | 17:06 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: your IO load goes up, though. | 17:06 |
| mdz | agoliveira: there's no particular reason to believe that squashfs is what's on the CPU, that was just a guess | 17:06 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Exactly, maybe it freed the CPU but saturated the I/O | 17:07 |
| smagoun | agoliveira: one theory was that squashfs required CPU, so load would go down when switching ti ext3. | 17:07 |
| lool | agoliveira: You have the URL to your bootchart available easily? | 17:07 |
| agoliveira | lool: No, sorry. I sent an email with them and deleted I guess. | 17:07 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] ChickenCutlass to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 | 17:07 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ChickenCutlass to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 | 17:07 |
| Mithrandir | any other input on that topic, or move on? | 17:08 |
| davidm | agoliveira, where did you send the email I'll find it | 17:08 |
| mdz | move on | 17:08 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] bspencer to checked to see if get tags tagging has occurred when making a release. | 17:08 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bspencer to checked to see if get tags tagging has occurred when making a release. | 17:08 |
| davidm | move on | 17:08 |
| lool | http://diemicrosoftdie.com/gutsy-20071210-1.png 404 | 17:08 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://diemicrosoftdie.com/gutsy-20071210-1.png 404 | 17:08 |
| mdz | get tags tagging? | 17:08 |
| Mithrandir | could somebody please explain that sentence? It seems to lack some words or a spell check or something. :-) | 17:08 |
| agoliveira | davidm: Right after the tests. I'll check later. | 17:09 |
| bspencer | we talked about it | 17:09 |
| lool | The action item was presumably to check whether tags are actually happening for new releases | 17:09 |
| Mithrandir | lool: presumably, yes. | 17:09 |
| agoliveira | Ah... sorry, I sent an email with the links. I'll check the backups and try to put it up again. | 17:09 |
| Mithrandir | bspencer: have you checked? and if so, what was the result? | 17:09 |
| bspencer | and plan to do this | 17:10 |
| bspencer | sorry...distracted | 17:10 |
| bspencer | yes, we have spotty coverage to date | 17:10 |
| bspencer | but will tag these things as discussed previously | 17:11 |
| bspencer | ok, 100% focused here now | 17:12 |
| Mithrandir | I'll give you an action item to report back on whether it has improved over the next week | 17:12 |
| bspencer | we want to tag the releases of each project when they are released | 17:12 |
| Mithrandir | ok? | 17:12 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: sounds find | 17:12 |
| bspencer | e | 17:12 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] bspencer to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:13 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bspencer to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:13 |
| Mithrandir | hiya Mauri | 17:13 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] bryce and amitk to provide verbose emails to bspencer about issues surronding Tungsten. (complete) | 17:13 |
| MootBot | New Topic: bryce and amitk to provide verbose emails to bspencer about issues surronding Tungsten. (complete) | 17:13 |
| Mithrandir | this has happened, I believe. | 17:13 |
| amitk | yes | 17:13 |
| bspencer | I received many emails on the subject | 17:13 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: hi | 17:13 |
| Mithrandir | however, we are still stuck with a broken -psb driver on Hardy. | 17:13 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: can you give us a bit more information on your findings? | 17:14 |
| amitk | Basically, while the psb X driver tries to acquire a DRI lock, it freezes | 17:15 |
| Mithrandir | are there anybody we could set up a conference call with, at intel, who could help us debug this problem? | 17:15 |
| agoliveira | davidm: http://diemicrosoftdie.com/charts.html | 17:16 |
| bspencer | rob__: robr_ubuntu robr2 -- you on the call? | 17:16 |
| amitk | the problem is in the kernel PSB driver according to current findings | 17:16 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: Let me check with Rob Rhoads to see how much work he did with our 2.6.24 kernel. | 17:16 |
| Mithrandir | I see the same problem with the moblin 2.6.24 kernel, fwiw | 17:16 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: some folks in our group are in another meeting right now | 17:16 |
| mjg59 | I've some concerns about the interaction between the -psb driver and ACPI, but I believe this is a separate issue | 17:16 |
| mawhalen | is Don on? | 17:16 |
| mjg59 | I'm looking at improving the in-kernel ACPI video support to the point where -psb can just use that | 17:16 |
| amitk | I have tried to use the moblin kernel configs on our kernel to see if there is a configuration issue, but the issue still remains | 17:16 |
| mawhalen | Don_Johnson: ping | 17:17 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: not really surprising given that the moblin kernels are broken too, at least for me. | 17:17 |
| mawhalen | inuka_desk: ping | 17:17 |
| mdz | mawhalen: should we reschedule? | 17:17 |
| Don_Johnson | I'm here, just catching up | 17:17 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: Inuka on our team is now responsible for the gfx integration. I'll start inviting him to this meeting. | 17:18 |
| Mithrandir | mawhalen: which time zone is he in? | 17:18 |
| Mithrandir | (Inuka is a he?) | 17:18 |
| mawhalen | Don_Johnson: We might want to setup a meeting with Waldo, Rob and Amit. Not sure if Waldo is still working on gfx. | 17:18 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: Inuka is a he, he is here in Oregon. | 17:19 |
| mdz | mawhalen: that's helpful for the future, though we would like to get this particular issue resolved sooner. who can we talk to who has more familiarity with this driver? | 17:19 |
| amitk | currently I am digging into interaction of the X driver and the kernel driver. Someone at Intel who is familiar with these drivers would speed up the debugging a lot. | 17:19 |
| Don_Johnson | mawhalen: I'll check with Waldo to see if we can set some thing up. | 17:20 |
| Mithrandir | ideally, today. | 17:20 |
| pat_mcgowan | Don_Johnson, any chance Tobin could help out | 17:20 |
| Don_Johnson | pat_mcgowan: Tobin isn't familiar with the internal workings of the graphics drivers. | 17:21 |
| alek_desk | Mithrandir, but Moblin kernel 2.6.24 has a workable psb-kmd module | 17:22 |
| Mithrandir | alek_desk: doesn't work for me with hardy. | 17:22 |
| alek_desk | hmm... | 17:22 |
| Mithrandir | (verified two days ago) | 17:22 |
| lool | Could be a race triggerred by libdrm / xorg but only from hardy? | 17:22 |
| Mithrandir | I haven't pried deeply into it, but it seems to get to the same point as the ubuntu kernel. | 17:22 |
| bspencer | mdz: mawhalen and I will have to follow up to get someone who can help quickly. | 17:23 |
| Mithrandir | if you guys have something that works for you, it might be interesting to see what happens if we put our latest kernel in there and try. | 17:23 |
| smagoun | maybe a dumb question, does the hardy libdrm include intel's patches? | 17:23 |
| Mithrandir | smagoun: this is with the libdrm I got from bryce which supposedly contains all the necessary patches. | 17:23 |
| Mithrandir | I have not verified that, as I am not familiar with the code. | 17:24 |
| Mithrandir | should we take this after the meeting? It seems we're not making more progress here. | 17:25 |
| davidm | Earlier in the week bryce said he had applied all of the intel changes | 17:25 |
| davidm | Yes, lets take it off line | 17:25 |
| mdz | is bryce not here? | 17:25 |
| Mithrandir | bryce: are you around? | 17:25 |
| bspencer | from our side let's grab waldo and rob for the discussion. Inuka can come and listen too. | 17:25 |
| mawhalen | Mithrandir: right, we don't have the correct people here | 17:25 |
| mawhalen | I can synch with Rob as soon as he is off his meeting | 17:26 |
| Mithrandir | ok, good | 17:26 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] mawhalen Don_Johnson davidm to meet off line on schedule issues (complete) | 17:26 |
| MootBot | New Topic: mawhalen Don_Johnson davidm to meet off line on schedule issues (complete) | 17:26 |
| Mithrandir | this is complete and done and nothing needs to be reported here? | 17:26 |
| Mithrandir | if so, the agenda is empty. | 17:27 |
| Don_Johnson | Yes, I believe it is done, and nothing needs to be reported here. | 17:27 |
| Mithrandir | anybody have anything more that needs discussion? | 17:27 |
| Mithrandir | going once, going twice. | 17:28 |
| davidm | Don_Johnson, your later call specific to the customer issues, correct? | 17:28 |
| Don_Johnson | Yes, we will be talking customer specific issues | 17:29 |
| davidm | OK, thanks | 17:29 |
| Mithrandir | ok, thanks everybody. Adjourned. | 17:29 |
| Mithrandir | #endmeeting | 17:29 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:29. | 17:29 |
| Mithrandir | that was nice and short. | 17:29 |
| agoliveira | Best... meeting... ever... :) | 17:29 |
| amitk | mawhalen: when can we know about who in Intel to talk to about the graphics drivers? | 17:29 |
| Mithrandir | mawhalen: when is rob's meeting done? | 17:29 |
| mawhalen | Not sure when Rob is done, I'll have him get ahold of amitk as soon as I find out. | 17:30 |
| Mithrandir | great. | 17:30 |
| amitk | thanks mawhalen | 17:30 |
| GrueMaster | So, what's the key to getting a Hardy build in MIC? | 17:32 |
| Mithrandir | GrueMaster: changing the default sources.list entries is at least one way | 17:34 |
| GrueMaster | Ok. Little background. I have a cron that runs daily to pull MIC from git, then generate a daily Moblin-gutsy build. It has the fsets for ubuntu-hardy as well. What do I need to change (and why isn't it in MIC). | 17:36 |
| bspencer | > GrueMaster said: d why isn't it in MIC | 17:38 |
| bspencer | good question. If we're missing something useful send the maintainer a note or a patch | 17:38 |
| Mithrandir | I believe the plan is to provide multiple platforms which default to different distroreleases | 17:39 |
| lool | ATM, Ubuntu's MIC pulls only from Ubuntu while upstream's MIC pulls from Ubuntu + moblin.org's APT repos | 17:39 |
| GrueMaster | yes, and? | 17:39 |
| GrueMaster | so? | 17:39 |
| GrueMaster | Actually, it ignores moblin.org if you select the ubuntu fsets only. | 17:40 |
| lool | The fsets differ slightly in MIC upstream and in Ubuntu | 17:40 |
| GrueMaster | I understand. Let's fix it so people using MIC can actually use MIC. | 17:41 |
| Mithrandir | robr: just the guy we're looking for. Can you talk to Amit about our current headaches on the kernel DRI bits? | 17:42 |
| lool | GrueMaster: I would be happy to work on taking all our fixes upstream | 17:43 |
| lool | GrueMaster: Would you like us to discuss the delta and address it now? | 17:43 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: I have an issue with flashplugin-nonfree and need to discuss with you. I was going to bring it up in the meeting but was chatting with Asac. | 17:44 |
| Mithrandir | cwong1: please shoot. | 17:45 |
| amitk | robr: hi | 17:45 |
| robr | amitk: hi | 17:46 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: the current flashplugin-nonfree package has a bad checksum that caused the installation to failed. | 17:46 |
| GrueMaster | I just need to be able to get a working Hardy build so I can start addressing some of the build issues others are seeing in PSB | 17:46 |
| Mithrandir | cwong1: hm, that's something we should fix | 17:47 |
| lool | GrueMaster: The easiest way would be to upgrade your hardy installation and use hardy's MIC | 17:47 |
| amitk | robr: have you followed the thread on ubuntu-mobile ML? Subject: Backtrace | 17:47 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: Asac has uploaded a fix a while back but have to rolled back. The reason is that the new flashplugin only work with Firefox/IE and will crash konque and opera. | 17:47 |
| GrueMaster | No, that would break my other development systems | 17:48 |
| robr | amitk: not yet, but i will try to catch up | 17:48 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: Can asac upload the fix again? But this mean opera and konqer user will not be able to use the flashplugin. | 17:48 |
| Mithrandir | cwong1: uh, ok. It seems better to be able to install it on some, but not all systems, than on none? | 17:48 |
| GrueMaster | I don't have enough platforms to dedicate to everyone's individual changes that don't get sync'd mainstream. | 17:48 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: I agree. I will let asac know then. | 17:49 |
| Mithrandir | cwong1: worst case, we can put it in the ppa | 17:49 |
| cwong1 | Mithrandir: ok. thanks. | 17:49 |
| amitk | inuka: robr: Mithrandir: davidm: Can you all join #psb-hardy to continue this discussion? | 17:52 |
| amitk | bryce: GrueMaster: you too if interested ^^^ | 17:56 |
| asac | Mithrandir: will upload flashplugin to mobile ppa ... how does the versioning scheme look like? | 18:11 |
| Mithrandir | asac: append ~710um1 or ~804um1 | 18:12 |
| Mithrandir | (depending on gutsy or hardy) | 18:13 |
| asac | Mithrandir: ok thanks | 18:22 |
| asac | Mithrandir: when do you expect to go back to hardy? | 18:24 |
| Mithrandir | are you uploading this to the gutsy ppa or the hardy ppa or both? | 18:24 |
| lool | GrueMaster: I was told that perhaps what you wanted is to create a project / config in git MIC to pull from Ubuntu hardy + ppa; is that what you would like us to work on? | 18:25 |
| asac | just <= gutsy is affected | 18:25 |
| asac | so just gutsy ppa | 18:25 |
| Mithrandir | asac: ok, thanks. We're looking at moving to hardy, but gfx is currently busticated. | 18:26 |
| GrueMaster | What I need is either a saved project that someone else has generated, or the ability to generate a working (sans video driver) hardy image in MIC. I also need to keep MIC pointing at moblin.org for moblin snapshot builds, plus gutsy snapshots for other people I support. | 18:27 |
| GrueMaster | My current priority is to work on Beta 6 drivers for integration testing. | 18:27 |
| asac | Mithrandir: is there any policy on what can be pushed to that ppa? or just "everything thats needed" ? e.g. could we upload latest xulrunner-1.9 and could we use system-cairo for reducing memory footprint (would require new libcairo) | 18:27 |
| Mithrandir | asac: all the stuff that's needed, yes. Please make sure you don't break builds though | 18:28 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: do you know how I can convince pam_foreground our mobile session actually is in the foreground? My attempts at using openvt didn't really help. | 18:28 |
| mjg59 | Mithrandir: Oh, I guess you never log in through pam... | 18:28 |
| Mithrandir | mjg59: I do su - ume -c ... | 18:28 |
| mjg59 | Hm. Not off-hand. It's been a while since I touched that. | 18:28 |
| Mithrandir | 'k | 18:29 |
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| Mithrandir | StevenK: you broke ume-config-crown-beach when you called gconftool in the postinst without making sure gconf2 is installed first.. | 20:36 |
| StevenK | Oh, gah. | 20:36 |
| StevenK | Mithrandir: Shall I'll fix the both of them (samsung-q1-ultra-config would be too) after the meeting? | 20:37 |
| StevenK | s/I'll/I/ | 20:37 |
| Mithrandir | please | 20:44 |
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