[00:38] if I want to get the source for cheese, how do I do that? [00:38] what is the /etc/apt/sources.list value? [00:40] bspencer: add a new line with deb-src instead of deb. everything else remains the same [00:40] deb-src http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports gutsy main restricted universe multiverse [00:40] ? [00:41] should be good [00:41] or maybe deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu ... I'll try that [00:41] TeTeT: hey Torsten [00:42] amitk: Hi Amit, staying up late? [00:42] TeTeT: 3rd night in a row now [00:42] amitk: ouch, deadline approaching? [00:42] TeTeT: how are you doing? [00:43] amitk: doing fine, currently in Taiwan, visiting partners [00:43] TeTeT: yeah.... trying to get graphics drivers on UME to behave with our kernel [00:43] amitk: I've read about poulsbo on the mailing list [00:43] TeTeT: good for you! You aren't going to be in London next week, are you? [00:44] amitk: no, I'm not coming for the sprint. Would I be needed there? [00:44] TeTeT: not really, just wondering if there is a coincidence [00:45] TeTeT: moving back to Germany soon? [00:46] amitk: I need to re-think my move back, relationship troubles [00:47] TeTeT: sorry about that === mawhalen_ is now known as mawhalen [07:11] good morning === mdz_ is now known as mdz === doko_ is now known as doko [11:56] amitk, there is a meeting today, right? === asac_ is now known as asac [11:56] alek_desk: yes there is [11:56] amitk, thanks. === \sh_away is now known as \sh === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [15:01] hm [15:01] * Mithrandir ponders how exactly to change ubuntu-meta for just mobile. I guess we can use the -mobile branch and point our PPA package to that. [15:08] cjwatson: ^^; it seems like update.cfg points to p.u.c/~cjwatson/seeds; that's just a seed mirror, right? [15:08] so I should be able to point it to LP? [15:08] * Hobbsee thought that was a redirect [15:11] Mithrandir: update uses --bzr by default, so we use the [hardy/bzr] section for that not [hardy] [15:11] so in fact we use bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ [15:11] ahkay. [15:12] if you need to change it for just mobile, I think I'd recommend a different source package [15:12] why? It'll be in a PPA. [15:15] cjwatson: ^ [15:15] (sorry if you're busy, just thinking you might be paying less attention to this channel than others. :-) [15:16] oh, PPA, sure [15:16] I don't care then :) [15:17] ok, good. I'd be insane to do this in the main archive, agreed. :-) [15:19] and indeed, I only really follow this channel when highlighted [15:24] Mithrandir: Is NM (daemon) running though? [15:25] lool: yes [15:25] * Mithrandir blames dbus [15:26] Mithrandir: Does restarting dbus help? [15:27] no, that breaks things further; hald doesn't want to restart and it goes downhill from there [15:28] Ah got the hal issue too [15:29] rebooting fixed that, though [15:29] and stevenk's fix broke my hostname. :-/ [15:30] Not easy to fix when you can't sudo :-/ [15:30] boot with break=bottom works, though [15:33] * Mithrandir is lazy and just reinstalls [16:02] *whine*; now I don't get any applets any more. [16:06] ah, unwhine. It was just old packages. [16:06] nm-applet works now that I twiddled the config slightly. [16:06] it seems like it doesn't think we're on the console [16:07] Mithrandir: hmm ... that would explain the issue amitk complained about the other day [16:07] yup [16:08] Mithrandir: do you have /bin/check-foreground-console ? [16:08] yes [16:09] and does it succeed? [16:10] njet [16:56] good $time_of_day everybody. [16:56] davidm,lool,amitk,agoliveira: around for the meeting? [16:56] Mithrandir: Yep [16:56] yup [16:57] hello [16:59] hiya alek [17:00] hoya:) Mithrandir [17:00] #startmeeting [17:00] Meeting started at 17:00. The chair is Mithrandir. [17:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:01] Coup d'État? :) [17:01] rustyl: is Mauri around and planning to attend? [17:01] nah, davidm asked me to drive today. [17:01] and since I've only had tea to drink, I think I'm fit. [17:01] agoliveira, yep what he said [17:01] well, tea and water. [17:02] You guys are boring :) [17:02] i'm online, doing multiple things... so slow response [17:02] here [17:02] hiya Don_Johnson [17:02] I'm here too. [17:02] and hiya ToddBrandt, Bob [17:03] hi [17:03] OK for the first open action we have ChickenCutlass here so we can go [17:03] sure [17:03] [TOPIC] Michael Frey to test the ext3 image boot speed before weeks end. [17:03] New Topic: Michael Frey to test the ext3 image boot speed before weeks end. [17:04] ChickenCutlass: how did that go? [17:04] Tried it -- no faster [17:04] Interesting, would have expected some speedup. [17:04] same performance as shashfs [17:04] squashfs [17:04] takes up lots more space however :) [17:04] naturally. [17:05] ChickenCutlass: is the startup process still CPU limited according to bootchart? [17:05] do you have bootcharts to compare the two? [17:05] no -- I do not yet have bootcharts -- I did the stopwatch approach [17:06] ChickenCutlass: That's odd. There should be any improvment exactly due the CPU limitation I saw in the charts. [17:06] ChickenCutlass, can you run bootchart on the ext3 boot so we can see exactly what is happening? [17:06] I will build some charts so we can see [17:06] agoliveira: your IO load goes up, though. [17:06] agoliveira: there's no particular reason to believe that squashfs is what's on the CPU, that was just a guess [17:07] Mithrandir: Exactly, maybe it freed the CPU but saturated the I/O [17:07] agoliveira: one theory was that squashfs required CPU, so load would go down when switching ti ext3. [17:07] agoliveira: You have the URL to your bootchart available easily? [17:07] lool: No, sorry. I sent an email with them and deleted I guess. [17:07] [ACTION] ChickenCutlass to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 [17:07] ACTION received: ChickenCutlass to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 [17:08] any other input on that topic, or move on? [17:08] agoliveira, where did you send the email I'll find it [17:08] move on [17:08] [TOPIC] bspencer to checked to see if get tags tagging has occurred when making a release. [17:08] New Topic: bspencer to checked to see if get tags tagging has occurred when making a release. [17:08] move on [17:08] http://diemicrosoftdie.com/gutsy-20071210-1.png 404 [17:08] LINK received: http://diemicrosoftdie.com/gutsy-20071210-1.png 404 [17:08] get tags tagging? [17:08] could somebody please explain that sentence? It seems to lack some words or a spell check or something. :-) [17:09] davidm: Right after the tests. I'll check later. [17:09] we talked about it [17:09] The action item was presumably to check whether tags are actually happening for new releases [17:09] lool: presumably, yes. [17:09] Ah... sorry, I sent an email with the links. I'll check the backups and try to put it up again. [17:09] bspencer: have you checked? and if so, what was the result? [17:10] and plan to do this [17:10] sorry...distracted [17:10] yes, we have spotty coverage to date [17:11] but will tag these things as discussed previously [17:12] ok, 100% focused here now [17:12] I'll give you an action item to report back on whether it has improved over the next week [17:12] we want to tag the releases of each project when they are released [17:12] ok? [17:12] Mithrandir: sounds find [17:12] e [17:13] [ACTION] bspencer to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. [17:13] ACTION received: bspencer to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. [17:13] hiya Mauri [17:13] [TOPIC] bryce and amitk to provide verbose emails to bspencer about issues surronding Tungsten. (complete) [17:13] New Topic: bryce and amitk to provide verbose emails to bspencer about issues surronding Tungsten. (complete) [17:13] this has happened, I believe. [17:13] yes [17:13] I received many emails on the subject [17:13] Mithrandir: hi [17:13] however, we are still stuck with a broken -psb driver on Hardy. [17:14] amitk: can you give us a bit more information on your findings? [17:15] Basically, while the psb X driver tries to acquire a DRI lock, it freezes [17:15] are there anybody we could set up a conference call with, at intel, who could help us debug this problem? [17:16] davidm: http://diemicrosoftdie.com/charts.html [17:16] rob__: robr_ubuntu robr2 -- you on the call? [17:16] the problem is in the kernel PSB driver according to current findings [17:16] Mithrandir: Let me check with Rob Rhoads to see how much work he did with our 2.6.24 kernel. [17:16] I see the same problem with the moblin 2.6.24 kernel, fwiw [17:16] Mithrandir: some folks in our group are in another meeting right now [17:16] I've some concerns about the interaction between the -psb driver and ACPI, but I believe this is a separate issue [17:16] is Don on? [17:16] I'm looking at improving the in-kernel ACPI video support to the point where -psb can just use that [17:16] I have tried to use the moblin kernel configs on our kernel to see if there is a configuration issue, but the issue still remains [17:17] Don_Johnson: ping [17:17] amitk: not really surprising given that the moblin kernels are broken too, at least for me. [17:17] inuka_desk: ping [17:17] mawhalen: should we reschedule? [17:17] I'm here, just catching up [17:18] Mithrandir: Inuka on our team is now responsible for the gfx integration. I'll start inviting him to this meeting. [17:18] mawhalen: which time zone is he in? [17:18] (Inuka is a he?) [17:18] Don_Johnson: We might want to setup a meeting with Waldo, Rob and Amit. Not sure if Waldo is still working on gfx. [17:19] Mithrandir: Inuka is a he, he is here in Oregon. [17:19] mawhalen: that's helpful for the future, though we would like to get this particular issue resolved sooner. who can we talk to who has more familiarity with this driver? [17:19] currently I am digging into interaction of the X driver and the kernel driver. Someone at Intel who is familiar with these drivers would speed up the debugging a lot. [17:20] mawhalen: I'll check with Waldo to see if we can set some thing up. [17:20] ideally, today. [17:20] Don_Johnson, any chance Tobin could help out [17:21] pat_mcgowan: Tobin isn't familiar with the internal workings of the graphics drivers. [17:22] Mithrandir, but Moblin kernel 2.6.24 has a workable psb-kmd module [17:22] alek_desk: doesn't work for me with hardy. [17:22] hmm... [17:22] (verified two days ago) [17:22] Could be a race triggerred by libdrm / xorg but only from hardy? [17:22] I haven't pried deeply into it, but it seems to get to the same point as the ubuntu kernel. [17:23] mdz: mawhalen and I will have to follow up to get someone who can help quickly. [17:23] if you guys have something that works for you, it might be interesting to see what happens if we put our latest kernel in there and try. [17:23] maybe a dumb question, does the hardy libdrm include intel's patches? [17:23] smagoun: this is with the libdrm I got from bryce which supposedly contains all the necessary patches. [17:24] I have not verified that, as I am not familiar with the code. [17:25] should we take this after the meeting? It seems we're not making more progress here. [17:25] Earlier in the week bryce said he had applied all of the intel changes [17:25] Yes, lets take it off line [17:25] is bryce not here? [17:25] bryce: are you around? [17:25] from our side let's grab waldo and rob for the discussion. Inuka can come and listen too. [17:25] Mithrandir: right, we don't have the correct people here [17:26] I can synch with Rob as soon as he is off his meeting [17:26] ok, good [17:26] [TOPIC] mawhalen Don_Johnson davidm to meet off line on schedule issues (complete) [17:26] New Topic: mawhalen Don_Johnson davidm to meet off line on schedule issues (complete) [17:26] this is complete and done and nothing needs to be reported here? [17:27] if so, the agenda is empty. [17:27] Yes, I believe it is done, and nothing needs to be reported here. [17:27] anybody have anything more that needs discussion? [17:28] going once, going twice. [17:28] Don_Johnson, your later call specific to the customer issues, correct? [17:29] Yes, we will be talking customer specific issues [17:29] OK, thanks [17:29] ok, thanks everybody. Adjourned. [17:29] #endmeeting [17:29] Meeting finished at 17:29. [17:29] that was nice and short. [17:29] Best... meeting... ever... :) [17:29] mawhalen: when can we know about who in Intel to talk to about the graphics drivers? [17:29] mawhalen: when is rob's meeting done? [17:30] Not sure when Rob is done, I'll have him get ahold of amitk as soon as I find out. [17:30] great. [17:30] thanks mawhalen [17:32] So, what's the key to getting a Hardy build in MIC? [17:34] GrueMaster: changing the default sources.list entries is at least one way [17:36] Ok. Little background. I have a cron that runs daily to pull MIC from git, then generate a daily Moblin-gutsy build. It has the fsets for ubuntu-hardy as well. What do I need to change (and why isn't it in MIC). [17:38] > GrueMaster said: d why isn't it in MIC [17:38] good question. If we're missing something useful send the maintainer a note or a patch [17:39] I believe the plan is to provide multiple platforms which default to different distroreleases [17:39] ATM, Ubuntu's MIC pulls only from Ubuntu while upstream's MIC pulls from Ubuntu + moblin.org's APT repos [17:39] yes, and? [17:39] so? [17:40] Actually, it ignores moblin.org if you select the ubuntu fsets only. [17:40] The fsets differ slightly in MIC upstream and in Ubuntu [17:41] I understand. Let's fix it so people using MIC can actually use MIC. [17:42] robr: just the guy we're looking for. Can you talk to Amit about our current headaches on the kernel DRI bits? [17:43] GrueMaster: I would be happy to work on taking all our fixes upstream [17:43] GrueMaster: Would you like us to discuss the delta and address it now? [17:44] Mithrandir: I have an issue with flashplugin-nonfree and need to discuss with you. I was going to bring it up in the meeting but was chatting with Asac. [17:45] cwong1: please shoot. [17:45] robr: hi [17:46] amitk: hi [17:46] Mithrandir: the current flashplugin-nonfree package has a bad checksum that caused the installation to failed. [17:46] I just need to be able to get a working Hardy build so I can start addressing some of the build issues others are seeing in PSB [17:47] cwong1: hm, that's something we should fix [17:47] GrueMaster: The easiest way would be to upgrade your hardy installation and use hardy's MIC [17:47] robr: have you followed the thread on ubuntu-mobile ML? Subject: Backtrace [17:47] Mithrandir: Asac has uploaded a fix a while back but have to rolled back. The reason is that the new flashplugin only work with Firefox/IE and will crash konque and opera. [17:48] No, that would break my other development systems [17:48] amitk: not yet, but i will try to catch up [17:48] Mithrandir: Can asac upload the fix again? But this mean opera and konqer user will not be able to use the flashplugin. [17:48] cwong1: uh, ok. It seems better to be able to install it on some, but not all systems, than on none? [17:48] I don't have enough platforms to dedicate to everyone's individual changes that don't get sync'd mainstream. [17:49] Mithrandir: I agree. I will let asac know then. [17:49] cwong1: worst case, we can put it in the ppa [17:49] Mithrandir: ok. thanks. [17:52] inuka: robr: Mithrandir: davidm: Can you all join #psb-hardy to continue this discussion? [17:56] bryce: GrueMaster: you too if interested ^^^ [18:11] Mithrandir: will upload flashplugin to mobile ppa ... how does the versioning scheme look like? [18:12] asac: append ~710um1 or ~804um1 [18:13] (depending on gutsy or hardy) [18:22] Mithrandir: ok thanks [18:24] Mithrandir: when do you expect to go back to hardy? [18:24] are you uploading this to the gutsy ppa or the hardy ppa or both? [18:25] GrueMaster: I was told that perhaps what you wanted is to create a project / config in git MIC to pull from Ubuntu hardy + ppa; is that what you would like us to work on? [18:25] just <= gutsy is affected [18:25] so just gutsy ppa [18:26] asac: ok, thanks. We're looking at moving to hardy, but gfx is currently busticated. [18:27] What I need is either a saved project that someone else has generated, or the ability to generate a working (sans video driver) hardy image in MIC. I also need to keep MIC pointing at moblin.org for moblin snapshot builds, plus gutsy snapshots for other people I support. [18:27] My current priority is to work on Beta 6 drivers for integration testing. [18:27] Mithrandir: is there any policy on what can be pushed to that ppa? or just "everything thats needed" ? e.g. could we upload latest xulrunner-1.9 and could we use system-cairo for reducing memory footprint (would require new libcairo) [18:28] asac: all the stuff that's needed, yes. Please make sure you don't break builds though [18:28] mjg59: do you know how I can convince pam_foreground our mobile session actually is in the foreground? My attempts at using openvt didn't really help. [18:28] Mithrandir: Oh, I guess you never log in through pam... [18:28] mjg59: I do su - ume -c ... [18:28] Hm. Not off-hand. It's been a while since I touched that. [18:29] 'k === mawhalen_ is now known as mawhalen === mawhalen_ is now known as mawhalen === mawhalen_ is now known as mawhalen [20:36] StevenK: you broke ume-config-crown-beach when you called gconftool in the postinst without making sure gconf2 is installed first.. [20:36] Oh, gah. [20:37] Mithrandir: Shall I'll fix the both of them (samsung-q1-ultra-config would be too) after the meeting? [20:37] s/I'll/I/ [20:44] please === \sh is now known as \sh_away === inuka_ is now known as inuka