[00:54] <stdin> apachelogger_: re: meeting. I should be able to, if I stay awake
[03:15] <Jucato> *sigh* http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/01/17/an-open-letter-to-mark-shuttleworth/ "In order to maximize brand awareness, I recommend that you brand all forms of Ubuntu (i.e. Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, etc.) as various “Editions” of Ubuntu." (as if Ubuntu has branding problems...)
[03:47] <CheGuevara> hi!
[03:49] <CheGuevara> evening Hobbsee
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hiya
[03:50] <CheGuevara> how you doing Hobbsee
[03:50] <CheGuevara> so good to have internet back :)
[03:51] <Hobbsee> CheGuevara: sighing at the state of the australian sharemarket :(
[03:51] <CheGuevara> heh
[03:51] <CheGuevara> what have i missed around here
[03:52] <CheGuevara> 274 updates
[03:52] <CheGuevara> *sigh*
[03:52] <Hobbsee> hehe
[03:56] <CheGuevara> as much as i'd love to read the changelogs i wont lol
[04:06] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:06] <CheGuevara> hows kde 4 going then
[07:08] <jack__> Hi, I recently installed Kubuntu Hardy Alpha 3 from the LiveCD. I'm surprised that xorg.conf has very few directives, all seems to be left as defaults.
[07:08] <jack__> See here : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52375/
[07:08] <fdoving> yeah, you can most likely run x fine wihtout it.
[07:09] <fdoving> isn't that nice?
[07:09] <fdoving> compared to 8 years ago? :)
[07:10] <jack__> As a consequence, my synaptics touchpad isn't configured by default. And I have some resolution problems, that appear only in kdm login screen (see bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/151311 )
[07:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 151311 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "DDC report some ridiculous physical screen size (Mostly on Intel driver, and some ATI)" [High,In progress]
[07:19] <jack__> @fdoving: it's nice, but what now makes the configuration work (or not work ;-) ) ?
[07:19] <fdoving> read the comments to the bugreport, there are proposed a few solutions to each version of the bug.
[07:24] <jack__> Guess what: I read them ! But I guess it's not expected from the average user to modify xorg.conf according to its own configuration. There must be something I'm missing.
[08:44] <apache|mobile_> jpatrick: pling
[08:44] <apache|mobile_> stdin: pling
[09:53] <apache|mobile> no - one is here - awful - really
[09:59] <mhb> apache|mobile: now don't say noone :o)
[09:59]  * mhb knows he's nobody anyway
[10:00] <apache|mobile> noone looks stupid
[10:00] <apache|mobile> none is cool
[10:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger: at school right now
[11:11] <CheGuevara> morning
[12:34] <ardchoille> How do I set up a new browser identification definition in konqueror? I want to identify as "UserAgent=Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 3.3;U;AvantGo 3.2)" on some websites. Mobile versions of many websites load in a fraction of the time and are devoid of useless graphics/CSS/javascript.
[12:34] <ardchoille> Is it possible to change the default user agent string for all web sites?
[12:35] <ardchoille> I haven't been able to solve this in a few days so I thought I'd ask the guru's :)
[12:36] <Jucato> ardchoille: the real KHTML/Konqueror gurus would be in #khtml :P
[12:36] <ardchoille> Jucato: Oh, right
[12:37] <apachelogger> ardchoille: have a look into /usr/share/services/useragentstrings
[12:37] <Jucato> of course, apachelogger is here too :)
[12:37] <cheguevara> hi apachelogger :)
[12:37] <apachelogger> just copy a file and modify it to your needs
[12:37] <apachelogger> Jucato: :P
[12:37] <apachelogger> cheguevara: ahoy
[12:37] <cheguevara> hows it going?
[12:38] <cheguevara> long time :P
[12:38] <ardchoille> apachelogger: Aha, so would that work also in ~/.kde/share/useragentstrings/blah ?
[12:38] <emonkey> na wenns alle schon tun tu ich auch... grüss di apachelogger
[12:38] <Jucato> amusing that Kubuntu is the only distro-mark visible in the Dot article about the release event :)
[12:41] <cheguevara> :P
[12:41] <Jucato> http://dot.kde.org/1200638688/ spot the birdie
[12:41] <Jucato> er.. I mean the Kubuntu
[12:42] <apachelogger> hallo emonkey
[12:42] <apachelogger> ardchoille: technically, yes, so just try and see if it works :)
[12:53] <nixternal> holy smokes
[12:53] <nixternal> not even 07:00
[12:55] <apachelogger> "müde bin ich, geh zur ruh', mir hauts schon wieder d'augen zu"
[13:01] <ardchoille> apachelogger: It works if you put the new user agent string file in /usr/share/services/useragentstrings, it won't work if you put it in ~/.kde/share/services/useragentstrings/
[13:01] <ardchoille> apachelogger: And thank you very much for your assistance :)
[13:02] <apachelogger> ardchoille: k, you're welcome :)
[13:07] <Jucato> nixternal: you just broke your body clock. you stay up late and wake up veryearly :)
[13:07] <nixternal> I fell asleep at about 22:00
[13:08] <nixternal> haven't done that in a while
[13:08] <Jucato> that's a milacre!
[13:08] <Jucato> er.. miracle
[13:08] <emonkey> 3g*
[13:08] <nixternal> which is good, I wasn't liking my 04:00 go to bed schedule
[13:09] <nixternal> hey, clee emailed me back asking for my feed, just sent it to him, so soon I will be irritating another planet :p
[13:20] <wesley> does someone know how to set dragonplayer on a 5.4 ratio
[13:26] <Jucato> nixternal: yay :)
[13:26] <Jucato> bout time.
[13:28] <wesley>  does someone know how to set dragonplayer on a 5.4 ratio
[13:28] <Hobbsee> !repeat
[13:28] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[13:28] <Hobbsee> try #kde
[13:30] <nixternal> I doubt #kde would know that one since dragonplayer just hit the streets...it may not be able to right now, if there is no easy way of doing so, it could be that the feature hasn't been added yet
[13:31] <apachelogger> #dragonplayer
[13:31]  * apachelogger is wondering what a ratio would be
[13:31] <ScottK> Well he was here last night playing with ubotu, so elsewhere is probably a more productive place for him anyway.
[13:32] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KDE4/KApp4for3
[13:33]  * apachelogger needs a coffee
[13:54] <jpatrick> apachelogger: I'm here
[13:55] <Tonio_> hi there
[13:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll work a few kde4 packages for hardy in the next days
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: semantik, knewz, kmediaplayer, blokkal, kblogger, kcall, kdvdcreator, klinkstatus, kmplayer, kplayer, kward, yakuake
[13:56] <apachelogger> jpatrick: I think the package is br0ken :P
[13:56] <apachelogger> Tonio_: yakuake is already done
[13:56] <Tonio_> apachelogger: are you or some people already working on some of those packages ?
[13:57] <Tonio_> oki great, I wante to get the info in order not to duplicate :)
[13:57] <apachelogger> jpatrick: do you know about kmplayer and kplayer?
[13:57] <apachelogger> Tonio_: also I think someone is working on kblogger
[13:57] <jpatrick> Tonio_: you'll have to hack away at semantik's build script to get the --prefix working
[13:57] <Tonio_> jpatrick: ah....
[13:58] <apachelogger> Tonio_: btw, please don't upload them until the next meeting, I will propose some major changes in the desktop file handling (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KDE4/KApp4for3)
[13:58] <apachelogger> jpatrick: gutsy?
[13:58] <apachelogger> ...are you running gutsy? ;-)...
[13:58] <jpatrick> apachelogger: no, upstream's build system (based on scons) is just weird
[13:58] <jpatrick> ...
[13:58]  * apachelogger needs sleep desperately
[13:58] <jpatrick> ye
[13:58] <apachelogger> k
[13:58] <apachelogger> *uploading
[13:58] <apachelogger> *
[13:59] <Tonio_> apachelogger: oki, I'll keep them on my ppa then
[13:59] <jpatrick> as for kplayer and kmplayer - dunno
[13:59] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ok :)
[13:59] <Tonio_> jpatrick: argh, scons a pain for packaging ;)
[14:00] <apachelogger> Tonio_: for the 2 players you might ask smarter (when he comes online) and stdin whether they know something
[14:00] <apachelogger> everything else should be fine
[14:00] <jpatrick> Tonio_: not to mention upstream fiddles around with it every release
[14:01] <Tonio_> jpatrick: hehe
[14:01] <apachelogger> Tonio_: maybe you should suggest upstream to switch to cmake
[14:01] <Tonio_> apachelogger: well I usually maintained kmplayer in the past, so unless someone is already on it.... I'll of course do it
[14:01]  * apachelogger is totally in love with that build system
[14:02] <apachelogger> Tonio_: ok, just check with these two, maybe you can build on something unfinished
[14:02] <jpatrick> apachelogger: http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/waf.html
[14:02] <Tonio_> apachelogger: hum, kmplayer is automake based, and kplayer is cmake.... should be okay
[14:02]  * apachelogger especially likes unfinished stuff when it got a proper copyright file :D
[14:03] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I was talking about semantik's build system
[14:07] <jpatrick> hmm, kmplayer's update go past my RSS reader
[14:08] <jpatrick> but I think Tonio_' on it
[14:36]  * apachelogger doesn't like moinmoin -.-
[14:36]  * emonkey either
[14:43]  * stdin plongs apachelogger
[14:59]  * mornfall gives 'n' to emonkey.
[15:00] <emonkey> hm?
[15:00] <mornfall> It's "neither".
[15:00] <emonkey> ah yes
[15:00] <apachelogger> stdin: btw, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KDE4/KApp4for3
[15:00]  * emonkey s english is poor
[15:00]  * apachelogger thinks emonkey is poor in general
[15:01] <mornfall> apachelogger: Empty.
[15:01] <apachelogger> ha
[15:01] <emonkey> apachelogger, thank you my little sweet sister
[15:01] <apachelogger> stdin, mornfall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/Apps4For3
[15:01] <apachelogger> that one :P
[15:01]  * apachelogger gives emonkey a dry cookie
[15:02] <mornfall> Yeah.
[15:02] <emonkey> huh... /me is looking for a glass of water...
[15:02]  * apachelogger gives emonkey a glass of milk
[15:02] <nixternal> 09:00 here so /me is looking for a beer :p
[15:03] <apachelogger> nixternal: totally reproducable
[15:03] <Jucato> 23:00 here and also looking for beer :)
[15:03] <nixternal> hehe
[15:03] <emonkey> apachelogger, thx but we have enough cows in switzerland :P
[15:03] <apachelogger> today I woke up and wanted a captain morgan ;-)
[15:03] <nixternal> nothing like cheap rum
[15:03] <apachelogger> emonkey: I doubt that... far too small country :P
[15:04] <emonkey> 1600 here and I'm getting my first beer soon
[15:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: meh
[15:04] <nixternal> speaking of rum, who here is from Spain? there is a rum in a silver bottle I used to drink when I was in the Navy, and I can't remember the name of it
[15:04] <emonkey> apachelogger, small yes, but not too small
[15:04]  * apachelogger considers getting some beer
[15:04] <nixternal> ponche or something
[15:04] <apachelogger> I ain't partying tonight
[15:04] <apachelogger> so I want at least tons of beer
[15:04] <Jucato> they're probably having fun over at Cali :(
[15:04]  * Hobbsee drank it all.
[15:04] <Jucato> Hobbsee!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:04] <apachelogger> nixternal: jpatrick is in spain
[15:05] <apachelogger> Jucato: I just should have gone there to
[15:05]  * Hobbsee is now officially sozzled.
[15:05] <nixternal> oh ya, jpatrick what is that rum I am trying to remember?
[15:05]  * apachelogger never schedules amarok releases the same day as kde releases
[15:05] <apachelogger> ain't good
[15:05] <jpatrick> nixternal: I do not know...
[15:05] <emonkey> apachelogger, 7 Million citizen are enough for a country! :P
[15:05] <jpatrick> nixternal: Malibu maybe?
[15:05] <nixternal> hahha, heck no
[15:05] <nixternal> Malibu isn't Spanish rum is it?
[15:05] <apachelogger> isn't that in us :P
[15:05] <nixternal> ya
[15:05] <nixternal> that's what I though
[15:05] <nixternal> t
[15:06] <apachelogger> I always wanted to go to malibu
[15:06] <jpatrick> I thought it was Cuban..
[15:06]  * apachelogger is singing
[15:06] <nixternal> another really good rum is from Puerto Rico, it is called 43
[15:06]  * emonkey loves more the good whiskey
[15:06] <apachelogger> oban 12
[15:06] <nixternal> jpatrick: derr, it is from the Caribbean, you are right...I forgot I went to their distillery in the bahamas many years ago
[15:06] <apachelogger> mhhhhhh
[15:06] <mornfall> ...
[15:06]  * apachelogger notes that you are all alcoholics :P
[15:07]  * apachelogger goes back to watch the amarok talk live from stuttgart
[15:07] <emonkey> apachelogger, didn't you know that?
[15:07]  * Hobbsee confiscates all the alcohol
[15:08] <apachelogger> emonkey: I am very self-focused
[15:08] <apachelogger> so
[15:08] <apachelogger> I think I am responsible for it
[15:08] <apachelogger> in all projects I'm envovled with, everyone starts drinking
[15:08] <apachelogger> it might be that I'm kinda annoying :P
[15:09] <emonkey> apachelogger, should I ask feuerzeug how many beer you had just in the amarok.de channel?
[15:10] <apachelogger> emonkey: sven hat gerade gesagt "Ich bin schon am Ende meiner Zeit" ;-)
[15:10] <apachelogger> emonkey: I ain't ordering @ feuerzeug
[15:10] <apachelogger> what for did I code a whole bar for rbot :P
[15:20] <gribelu> is yakuake-kde4 in any repo yet?
[15:20] <apachelogger> gribelu: don't think so, it's still sitting in the new queue for hardy
[15:21] <gribelu> i see
[15:21] <gribelu> thanks
[15:23] <apachelogger> gribelu: shouldn't take too long though
[15:23] <apachelogger> couple of days possibly
[15:24] <gribelu> :) i've been waiting for it since stdin first posted it on revu
[15:24] <stdin> I guess I could slap it in the ppa
[15:26] <apachelogger> stdin: I'd dont advocate this :P
[15:27] <stdin> apachelogger: you a motppa now ? :p
[15:27] <apachelogger> nope
[15:27] <gribelu> stdin: slap away!
[15:27] <apachelogger> stdin: but, a lot of people are using the ppa
[15:27] <apachelogger> so if you cause a breakage
[15:27] <apachelogger> I wouldn't want to be in your position :P
[15:27] <stdin> apachelogger: the .deb works fine, I'm using it now
[15:28] <stdin> I have actually tested it :p
[15:28] <apachelogger> yeah
[15:28] <apachelogger> but
[15:28] <apachelogger> you never know what we might have missed ;-)
[15:28] <stdin> apachelogger: how about I put it in my ppa, then whoever wants it can grab it there?
[15:28] <apachelogger> stdin: advocate for that :P
[15:29] <apachelogger> stdin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/KonversationOsd
[15:29] <stdin> it'll be hardy only but those hardy guys are risk takers anyway :)
[15:29] <apachelogger> so true :D
[15:41] <genii> Hi people. Is anyone aware of a bug when using the System Settings Disk & Filesystems which inserts html-like gibberish into the fstab? I've helped several ppl in the last week where this seems to be the case. Also if known, is there a patch or someone assigned to this?
[15:41] <nixternal> hrmm
[15:42] <nixternal> I haven't heard of that one, if that is the case though, that would be a critical bug for sure
[15:43] <genii> nixternal: Seems to be on upgrades from 7.04 to 7.10, fresh installs seem unaffected
[15:44] <nixternal> that makes it even more interesting, and actually gives me a headache thinking about that one :)
[15:44] <genii> :-/
[15:44]  * nixternal bug hunts to see if it has been noticed before
[15:45] <genii> nixternal: Thanks, I'll scour launchpad as well as i have time
[15:48] <genii> Hmm. kubuntu seems not to be a project there. Is there another bug-reporting/search site for it specifically?
[15:48] <nixternal> kubuntu is on lp, but it isn't a meta package/package
[15:48] <genii> Since it seems not to be on Gnome/XFCE
[15:51] <nixternal> you know what, something people need to learn is "don't file a bug when you are aggravated"
[15:51] <nixternal> some of the bug report titles I am seeing, deserve a choking
[15:51] <genii> nixternal: Yes, I agree :)
[15:53] <Jucato_> don't read bug reports while aggrevated... can cause choking of other people
[15:53] <nixternal> haha
[15:57] <nixternal> I don't see anything in LP or b.k.o
[15:57] <genii> nixternal: The specific systemsettings module seems to be mountconfig
[15:58] <nixternal> hey, anyone know how to fix the nasty fonts in Konqi 4?
[15:59] <nixternal> the fonts on planetkde.org
[15:59] <nixternal> mine get all goofy
[15:59] <genii> Looks like something similar here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/89128
[15:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 89128 in kde-guidance "Disk & filesystems (mountconfig) mix hdc with others" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[15:59] <genii> (not to the font thing, the messy fstab stuff)
[16:00] <yuriy> genii: the package to look at as kde-guidance
[16:00] <genii> yuriy: OK, thanks
[16:00] <Jucato_> genii: ah yes... that's been reported in the forums too... I told them I'd try to look for someone who knows about it :)
[16:00] <Jucato_> but never got around to do that hahah
[16:00] <nixternal> kde-systemsettings
[16:01] <Jucato_> nixternal: guidance :P
[16:01] <nixternal> kde-systemsettings
[16:01] <nixternal> file a bug from within systemsettings
[16:01] <Jucato_> but isnt it for kde-guidance? mountconfig
[16:01] <nixternal> hrmm, can't back that statement up though with KDE 4, don't have the help menu :)
[16:02] <nixternal> oh, mountconfig
[16:02] <nixternal> I don't see the HTML stuff, but I found a very similar bug report to the one there
[16:02] <Jucato_> bye Hobbsee :(
[16:02] <genii> nixternal: Since my own system is not experiencing this I'll have to recommend it now each time I see this messy fstab stuff. It inserts gibberish which looks like perhaps html code, apparently with no pattern
[16:03] <nixternal> where at?
[16:03] <nixternal> do you have a pastebin of it at all?
[16:03] <nixternal> bug 104859 is similar
[16:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 104859 in kde-systemsettings "Kubuntu: Disks&Filesystem remembers wrong settings" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104859
[16:04] <genii> nixternal: I have a pastebin from today, look at line 15 (and I'm not sure if line 14 is valid either) I've since told him to comment out last 4 lines in there for now. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52418/
[16:04] <genii> eg <device>
[16:05] <yuriy> line 14 looks ok, 15 is interesting..
[16:05] <genii> previously i've seen stuff like "&nsp"   or such inserted somewhat randomly in there
[16:06] <nixternal> 15 is because mountconfig couldn't figure out the device I am assuming
[16:10] <nixternal> is the wiki down for anyone else?
[16:13] <stdin> wiki.u.c and help.u.c seem down
[16:13] <\sh> Riddell, is kubuntu dapper to kubuntu hardy directly upgradable?
[16:14] <nixternal> figures
[16:14] <genii> At any rate another weird thing if you notice is that lines 5 and 12 seem to be synonyms of each other (I checked output of his blkid command to make sure) and the / is mounted by UUID at line 3 but apparently also at line 13 under /media/sdc1
[16:15] <\sh> nixternal, saw your application for MC :) cool :)
[16:16] <nixternal> ya, but I will probably get chewed up by Hobbsee and persia though
[16:16] <ScottK> At least there will be some competition.
[16:16] <nixternal> people over in #ubuntu-motu could give 2 shits about Kubuntu so my Kubuntu'esque prowness won't be taken lightly I am sure
[16:17] <nixternal> I shouldn't say people as in all people either
[16:17] <jpatrick> mc?
[16:17] <nixternal> ScottK: why didn't you go for it?
[16:17] <Jucato_> motu council?
[16:17] <\sh> nixternal, motu is not about kubuntu/ubuntu madness...that's crap
[16:17] <nixternal> you not going for it was the reason I stepped up actually to put a Kubuntu face over there
[16:17] <emonkey> hey \sh nice to see you!
[16:18] <\sh> emonkey, thx :)
[16:18] <\sh> emonkey, how is life? :)
[16:18] <emonkey> \sh, I'm in the middle of exams :(
[16:18] <emonkey> \sh, how's yours?
[16:18] <\sh> emonkey, good luck for it :)
[16:18] <emonkey> thx
[16:19] <ScottK> nixternal: Because I have recently been pretty 'outspoken' recently.  That and I announced I wasn't taking on any management roles during Hardy, so I'm sticking with that
[16:19]  * emonkey didn't moved \sh s blog to the new laptop, what a shame ... 
[16:19] <\sh> emonkey, oh I'm on a forced holiday this month..and from next month on I'm working fore a new company .) as you heard, combots product gmbh was closed
[16:19] <ScottK> Since I was the one that drafted Kmos' death warrant, I'm probably controversial right now.
[16:19] <emonkey> yes I read it on your blog
[16:19] <\sh> emonkey, you can get the ubuntu feed from planet ;)
[16:20] <nixternal> ScottK: hahaha, death warrant :)
[16:20] <\sh> ScottK, just because you are the only one with guts doesn't mean you are a bad MC member :)
[16:20] <nixternal> \sh: I know motu isn't about ubuntu/kubuntu madness and if you read through my application you will see the challenges I have detailed
[16:21] <ScottK> \sh: Agreed, but I said at the beginning of the Hardy cycle I was stepping back a bit and I intend to continue that.
[16:21] <nixternal> what I would like to see done is the "collaboration between upstream and distributions" take off
[16:21] <\sh> nixternal, isn't it jorges job? :)
[16:21] <nixternal> right now, I think we over here in Kubuntu do quite a bit of it between us, Fedora, openSUSE, Mandriva, and we are looking at collaborating with PC Linux OS and Ark Linux
[16:22] <nixternal> we can't depend on Canonical for everything, seeing as we are supposed to be "community distributions"
[16:22] <\sh> nixternal, I think it's more a problem of what the business plans are...kde is doing differently from gnome...you can see it even from the behaviour at kde e.v. imho
[16:23] <nixternal> not in the kde e.V. just yet, so I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but this is about more than just the DEs
[16:23] <\sh> distributions coming != from europe like rh or novell are focusing on gnome much more then suse or ark linux
[16:25] <nixternal> also motu needs a much better conflict resolution scheme, much better documentation, and proven advocational tactics
[16:27] <txwikinger> nixternal: You sound like you need a lawyer ;)
[16:27] <nixternal> why do I need a lawyer? I can't stand lawyers :p
[16:27] <nixternal> gotta be careful, there are some lurking
[16:27] <txwikinger> advocational tactics? :p
[16:28]  * txwikinger is only pretending to be lurking
[16:28] <nixternal> hehe
[16:29] <nixternal> you are exactly why I said that :p
[16:29] <nixternal> you and Matt East, but he isn't lurking
[16:29] <nixternal> in here at least
[16:30] <emonkey> lol
[16:32] <ScottK> nixternal: Now that we've established that someone can, in fact, be fired from Ubuntu development, I think conflict resolution will get better.
[16:32] <nixternal> better and faster hopefully
[16:33] <nixternal> you did the death warrant a month or so back, and just now it has been resolved
[16:33] <Jucato> someone can? O.o
[16:34] <yuriy> someone got fired from ubuntu development?
[16:34] <ScottK> yuriy: See the MOTU Council ML archives
[16:35] <nixternal> jpatrick: http://www.caballero.es/  <- it is the silver bottle, Ponche, that Spanish rum I was trying to remember
[16:35] <jpatrick> nixternal: well, I have no idea when it comes to alcohol :)
[16:35] <ScottK> nixternal: Agreed, but that's better than it dragging on for months which it had before.  It also took me being kind of confrontational with jono and dholbach at UDS.
[16:35] <ScottK> So progress.
[16:36]  * apachelogger gets himself a new stress ball and takes it for a walk
[16:36] <apachelogger> oh
[16:36] <apachelogger> btw
[16:36] <apachelogger> you should checkout suse's kde
[16:36] <apachelogger> my coexistence proposals are so much better than what suse provides
[16:36] <apachelogger> also our plasma is more stable
[16:36] <apachelogger> and we have a better dragonplayer
[16:37] <apachelogger> in fact, I think we have the best .0 right now :D
[16:37]  * apachelogger is quite proud and hugs everyone
[16:37]  * emonkey hugs back, and now go with ball(z) and have fun
[17:51] <Riddell> \sh: no, not officially anyway
[17:51] <jjesse> Riddell: so is mountain view better then boston?
[17:52] <\sh> Riddell, thx :)
[17:54] <Riddell> jjesse: in what way?
[17:57] <jjesse> are you enjoying it?
[18:20]  * apachelogger_ feels awfully schläfrig
[18:55] <blizzzek> hi
[18:56] <jpatrick> hello blizzzek
[18:58] <tlayton> hey all. i found this comment in the netbeans start script.  "Ubuntu uses the ancient Bourne shell, which does not implement trap well."  is there a better alternative?
[19:12] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: pling
[19:13] <\sh> tlayton, you mean the script uses #!/bin/sh as shebang and /bin/sh links to /bin/dash? just replace /bin/sh with /bin/bash :)
[19:13] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: plong
[19:13]  * apachelogger_ is listening to The Prime Time of Your Life by Daft Punk on Human After All [Amarok]
[19:14] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: never mind :(
[19:14]  * apachelogger_ never minds :P
[19:26] <tlayton> \sh: i guess i was really wondering what they meant about bash being "ancient"
[19:29] <apachelogger_> hahahaha
[19:30] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: have a look at this: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot69.png
[19:31] <smarter> apachelogger_: funny
[19:31] <smarter> they should rename it too, like firefox->minefield
[19:46] <apachelogger_> final version: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot71.png
[19:57] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: crap
[19:57] <jpatrick> close some windows!
[19:58] <apachelogger_> no
[19:58] <apachelogger_> windows ftw :D
[19:58] <jpatrick> :O
[19:59] <apachelogger_> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot72.png
[19:59] <apachelogger_> even more improved
[19:59] <apachelogger_> hrrrhrrr
[20:01] <txwikinger> apachelogger_: There is a bug
[20:02] <apachelogger_> indeed
[20:02] <apachelogger_> why doesn't kde4 have a fonts:/ slave
[20:02] <stdin> shush, don't report bugs
[20:02] <apachelogger_> who did br0ke the fonts slave?
[20:02]  * apachelogger_ looks at stdin
[20:02] <jpatrick> txwikinger: NO BUG REPORTS, PLEASE
[20:02] <txwikinger> jpatrick: That is the bug
[20:03] <apachelogger_> txwikinger: doesn't matter
[20:03] <apachelogger_> no reports
[20:03] <apachelogger_> only ones for the fonts slave allowed!
[20:03]  * txwikinger wonders if he should report the bug that he is under atm
[20:04] <jpatrick> the bug is I see a firefox icon on the taskbar
[20:04] <apachelogger_> jpatrick: flash it!
[20:05] <smarter> the amarok2 splashscreen looks too good for a pre-alpha :P
[20:05] <txwikinger> flash it or flush it?
[20:05]  * apachelogger_ should call the police
[20:05] <apachelogger_> smarter: that's not gonna last
[20:05] <apachelogger_> smarter: are ye using amarok2?
[20:05] <apachelogger_> txwikinger: flash
[20:05] <apachelogger_> someone kidnapped one of our slaves!
[20:05] <apachelogger_> that ain't good -.-
[20:06]  * txwikinger thought slavery is not allowed
[20:07] <apachelogger_> ha!
[20:07] <apachelogger_> I found it
[20:07] <apachelogger_> kinda
[20:07] <apachelogger_> muhahahahaha
[20:07] <apachelogger_> now I just need to find the right kwrite
[20:07]  * txwikinger would like to do some work but cannot focus
[20:07] <nixternal> w00t, panel resizing rocks!
[20:08] <apachelogger_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[20:08] <jpatrick> apachelogger_: H2 needs your help in #amarok
[20:08] <apachelogger_> either fonts is the only slave in workspace
[20:08] <apachelogger_> or everything is b0rked
[20:08] <apachelogger_> or someone forgot to package the other kios as well
[20:09] <apachelogger_> no kio = all kio you need
[20:10] <txwikinger> kio is still better than kia
[20:10] <apachelogger_> cool
[20:10] <apachelogger_> fonts is really the only kio in workspace
[20:10] <apachelogger_> that ain't right either
[20:10] <nixternal> #ubuntu-classroom - Debian Library Package Part 2
[20:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: I used to build it from svn but it crashed really too much
[20:15] <apachelogger_> smarter: wanna try it to evaluate whether we should build packages for the tp?
[20:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: and it takes age to resize or to draw
[20:15] <smarter> apachelogger_: why not
[20:16] <apachelogger_> smarter: that resizing issue will stick for some time
[20:16] <apachelogger_> until we switched to qt 4.4
[20:16] <apachelogger_> which should actually be soon
[20:17] <smarter> apachelogger_: there's a release date for Qt 4.4?
[20:17] <smarter> brb (2 minutes)
[20:17] <apachelogger_> smarter: nope... target is march, april IIRc
[20:26] <gribelu> gdebi-kde uses pretty much all my memory while installing packages.. is that normal?
[20:29] <ScottK> gribelu: What release are you on?
[20:29] <gribelu> hardy
[20:30] <gribelu> but i think it did that even before i upgraded from gutsy
[20:30] <gribelu> just always forgot to ask about it :)
[20:31] <gribelu> brb 30 seconds
[20:31] <ScottK> There was a Konsole bug that was in Feisty that was fixed in Gutsy that caused that.
[20:35] <gribelu> ScottK: no fixed for me
[20:35] <gribelu> if you need any other info or whatever i'll help.. otherwise i can live with it
[20:37] <ScottK> Let me see if I can find the bug
[20:37] <mhb> good evening
[20:37] <jpatrick> good evening mhb
[20:38] <gribelu> did any very recent update kill KDE4? mine seems to crash X or at least KDM after login.. had to log into kde3 :|
[20:38] <ScottK> gribelu: It was Bug #117731.  Try running this python script http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8558791/gd-test.py and see what happens
[20:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117731
[20:38] <gribelu> ScottK: k, testing
[20:39] <ScottK> It wouldn't stun me to find that we'd accidentally reverted the fix
[20:41] <gribelu> what should i be looking for while running the script?
[20:41] <gribelu> it opens an 'installing' dialog that looks like the one in gdebi-kde
[20:41] <gribelu> not high memory usage
[20:43] <ScottK> Then you have a different problem.
[20:44]  * apachelogger_ gives mhb a cup'o'tea
[20:44] <gribelu> could be
[20:44] <gribelu> :|
[20:46] <mhb> hi apachelogger_ , jpatrick
[20:46] <mhb> all the others :o)
[20:48] <mhb> have you seen the new opensuse 11.0 alpha installation?
[20:48]  * apachelogger_ only has eyes for jpatrick
[20:48] <jpatrick> ...
[20:48] <apachelogger_> have to watch him 24/7 so he doesn't get drunk and destroy the channel :P
[20:48] <mhb> it uses a custom .qss style, so it looks nice ... in an inconsistent kind of way
[20:48]  * jpatrick goes back to monitoring #u-es
[20:48] <apachelogger_> hehe
[20:50]  * apachelogger_ throws workspace in a pbuilder and wanders of for some stress ball action
[20:55] <gribelu> so umm.. am i the only one with a dead KDE4?
[20:55] <gribelu> no clue which logs i should look at
[20:56] <apachelogger_> gribelu: dead?
[20:56] <smarter> gribelu: ~/.xsession-errors
[20:57]  * jpatrick looks for tabs in kopete-kde4
[20:57] <gribelu> i dist-upgraded.. restarted X.. now after login (in kdm) it loads the.. loader.. and dies
[20:58] <gribelu> anyway i'll try starting it again and post some logs maybe
[20:58] <gribelu> brb
[21:11] <gribelu> so.. this is my ~/.xsession-errors after a clean reboot, with the same ~/.kde4 folder that i used before it stopped working http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52474/ .. and this is ~/.xsession-errors after removing the ~/.kde4 folder and restarting X/logging in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52475/
[21:11] <gribelu> kde3 works fine..
[21:12] <apachelogger_> hm
[21:12] <apachelogger_> you have a problem with composite
[21:12] <apachelogger_> I think :D
[21:14] <apachelogger_> I am actually a bit worried about - kdeinit4_wrapper: Warning: connect(/home/bogdan/.kde/socket-bogdan-linux/kdeinit4__0) failed: : No such file or directory
[21:14] <apachelogger_> kdeinit4_wrapper shouldn't do anything in .kde
[21:14] <gribelu> composite is/was disabled
[21:14] <gribelu> i mean not composite.. umm.. the effects opengl thingie
[21:14] <apachelogger_> that doesn't have much effect :)
[21:15] <gribelu> so.. no one else with this problem?
[21:15] <apachelogger_> not until now
[21:15] <gribelu> i hate it when i'm the only one
[21:15] <apachelogger_> hehe
[21:15] <apachelogger_> I think it ain't a kde issue
[21:16] <apachelogger_> but some underlying thingy
[21:16] <gribelu> i did nothing except install those updates and yakuake-kde4
[21:16] <apachelogger_> probably x
[21:16] <apachelogger_> hm
[21:16] <gribelu> by 'those updates' i mean everything updated today in main/universe/multiverse etc.. no PPAs
[21:16] <apachelogger_> gribelu: please login into a failsafe session with kdm
[21:16] <apachelogger_> then run /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde in the konsole
[21:16] <gribelu> ah that i could try
[21:17] <gribelu> k
[21:17] <gribelu> brb
[21:23] <gribelu> apachelogger_: same thing
[21:23] <gribelu> i forgot to save the log.. did you need it?
[21:23] <gribelu> after i executed /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde the session was closed and got back to the KDM login screen
[21:25] <apachelogger_> hm
[21:25] <apachelogger_> gribelu: that was a crash in X IMO
[21:26] <gribelu> but why does it not crash when i start kde3?
[21:26] <gribelu> kde4 kills it
[21:26] <apachelogger_> must be some feature in kde4
[21:26] <gribelu> right after the last icon shows up on the KDE4 loader thingie.. it dies
[21:26] <apachelogger_> yeah, when it tries to launch kwin apparently
[21:27] <smarter> is juk-kde4 in good shape?
[21:27] <gribelu> and since i tried it with a clean ~/.kde4 my configuration can't be blamed either
[21:28] <apachelogger_> well, maybe kwin tries a query and causes xorg to crash due to it
[21:28] <gribelu> darn it
[21:29] <gribelu> xorg-server-core was updated today
[21:29] <apachelogger_> see :P
[21:29] <gribelu> i'll try to install yesterday's version
[21:58] <apachelogger_> stdin: around?
[21:59] <stdin> yeah
[22:00] <apachelogger_> stdin: new workspace coming up, I also fixed the icons in games
[22:01] <apachelogger_> stdin: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace
[22:01] <apachelogger_> there we go :D
[22:01]  * stdin stops trying to figure out qt-designer and starts backporting instead
[22:08] <ScottK> Speaking of backporting...
[22:08] <ScottK> Anyone around with Edgy or Feisty Kubuntu installs?
[22:13] <ryanakca> mhb: what was that wm / desktop environment you were talking about a few days ago? goblygoo ? wooblygoo ?
[22:16] <mhb> haha :o)
[22:16] <mhb> ryanakca: oroborus ... it's a Greek snake which circles around, chasing (and eating) its tail ... a metaphor for infinity
[22:17] <ryanakca> mhb: ahaha... I was sure it had goo in it... you have to admit, I was close enough... lots of 'o's :D
[22:17]  * ryanakca apt-gets
[22:27] <gribelu> apachelogger_: my dead KDE4 was caused by some weird problem that somehow borked the xorg GLX extension.. reinstalled some random packages and everything works again :D
[22:28] <apachelogger_> hrrhrr
[22:29] <gribelu> true..
[22:32] <ryanakca> is anybody having issues with not having "Switch Session..." in KMenu in Hardy?
[22:35] <mhb> ryanakca: KDE3/KDE4?
[22:35] <ryanakca> KDE3
[22:35] <mhb> ah... haven't ran that one for quite some time
[22:36] <nixternal> July 2008!!!!
[22:36] <nixternal> A new release each month, holy smokes
[22:36]  * ryanakca thinks he'll switch to KDE4 permanently... since the only reason I stayed with KDE3 was because compiz worked with it... but now it doesn't... so no point :)
[22:36] <mhb> nixternal: eh?
[22:36] <ryanakca> new release of what?
[22:36] <nixternal> KDE 4 Release Schedule on planet kde
[22:37] <ryanakca> ah
[22:37]  * ryanakca scratches his head and tries to figure out what the compositing in KDE4 is...
[22:39] <ryanakca> aha, right click KWin :)
[22:40]  * ryanakca switches to KDE4... and decides to ask his "how to migrate configs from KDE3 to KDE4" questions to google / #kde
[22:41] <nixternal> ryanakca: if it is a kde3 app, it will use the configs in ~/.kde
[22:41] <nixternal> no migration necessary, at least I haven't had to migrate anything
[22:42] <ryanakca> nixternal: yeah... I'm trying to transfer my kopete settings, konqueror settings, KATE, kwallet, etc to KDE 4 if at all possible
[22:42] <smarter> kopete3 settings work with kopete4
[22:42] <nixternal> ahh, kopete-kde4, konqueror-kde4, kate-kde4, kwallet-kde4 I take it?
[22:42] <nixternal> hrmm, ya go to #kde with that one
[22:43]  * ryanakca thinks those are the only things he's configured... other than kontact and amarok... but I don't think those two have functionnal KDE4 equivalents
[22:43] <ryanakca> smarter: yeah... but I have to hunt them down and make sure I've copied them all over... mind you, I guess I could do that... and if there's nothing out there I will,
[22:44] <smarter> ryanakca: just copy ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete and ~/.kde/share/config/kopeterc to ~/.kde4
[22:44] <ryanakca> but it wouldn't really be apealing for the average KDE3 non-devel / my grand-mother to have to search out all their configs and have to manually copy over them over
[22:45] <smarter> iirc someone is working on a kde3to4 transition tool
[22:45]  * ryanakca would write a config / migration tool... but I haven't gotten to really learning C++ like I promised planet I would... so I can't :)
[22:45] <ryanakca> smarter: oooh, goodies :)
[22:46] <smarter> ryanakca: for those sorts of tool, even shell + kdialog will do :P
[22:47] <smarter> off to bed
[22:47] <ryanakca> lol, well, if it's just passing a pile of commands to the shell / a bunch of kdialog popups (Do you want to migrate your Konsole settings (y/n)), I could possibly piece together something... but oh well
[22:47]  * ryanakca brb, going to KDE4 :D
[23:03] <wesley_> you guys are amazing the x-server is fixed wich caused that vlc did not work
[23:07] <jpatrick> gah
[23:07] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: aren't you over at google?
[23:08] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: are you aware of my age?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> jpatrick: 28?
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> just a guess
[23:08] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: 16
[23:09] <nosrednaekim> uh...I must be getting you mixed up w/ someone else :)
[23:10] <wesley_> how its with bug 1 on lauchpAD?
[23:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[23:11] <wesley_> what abouting making a virus wich will turn every pc with touches it kubuntu
[23:12] <ryanakca> how could one get a list of the kde4 meta packages?
[23:13] <wesley_> sudo apt-get install kde4?
[23:13] <apachelogger_> http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/kde4party.ogg
[23:14] <ryanakca> wesley_: I guess that would work... I found a list of them on packages.ubuntu.com too... hmmm.
[23:14] <wesley_> kde4 meta yhink installs almost everthing fvrom kde4
[23:19] <wesley_> apachelogger will that video stream after its finshid can downloaded?
[23:21] <apachelogger_> wesley_: dunno about download, but on youtube
[23:22] <wesley_> okay wich chanbnel?
[23:22] <wesley_> on youtube
[23:24] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[23:24] <apachelogger_> wesley_: will be posted on dot.kde.org I guess
[23:24] <apachelogger_> or at least planetkde
[23:26] <wesley_> is this live?
[23:27] <ryanakca> stdin: you were talking about moving "User <user> on <host>       Kubuntu" to the top of the KMenu?
[23:47] <gribelu> are you guys getting decent performance in KDE4 with composite on? for me it's annoyingly slow when i restore a window (after minimize).. like 1 second or so
[23:48] <apachelogger_> http://radio.getamarok.com:8000/kde4party.ogg
[23:48] <apachelogger_> gribelu: either your chip is crap
[23:48] <apachelogger_> or, which is highly possible, your driver is crap
[23:48] <gribelu> nvidia 6600gt.. 'dirty' drivers
[23:49] <gribelu> compiz was fast as long as i didn't use too many windows at once.. which i do :>
[23:49] <apachelogger_> lol
[23:49] <gribelu> what chip are you using?
[23:50] <apachelogger_> I have no clue, intel on workstation and laptop
[23:50] <apachelogger_> works on both like a charm
[23:50] <claydoh> gribelu: http://dot.kde.org/1200050369/1200126492/
[23:50] <gribelu> must be that intel thing.. with the oss driver
[23:50] <claydoh> there is atweak that helps my gf6200 for this
[23:51] <gribelu> claydoh: thanks, reading
[23:51] <claydoh> and the guy has the same card as you :)