[00:03] DrUnKnMuNkY, so it was the framebuffer? [00:06] compiz is a bit crashy on my end too [00:06] useable though [00:06] Amazingly, compiz works on the nouveau drivers. If you use Xgl, and don't mind it being slow as molasses :) [00:06] :D [00:07] tried xgl earlier today for all of 10 minutes.. it was slow to the point of being unusable [00:07] hmmm [00:07] is anyone having issues with compiz? [00:08] heh [00:08] it doesnt seem to love me anymore [00:08] Incidentally, anyone who has an nvidia card and doesn't particularly want 3d, I now recommend trying nouveau before nv. [00:08] phin, mine broke earlier today. what's your issue? [00:09] cool beans [00:09] phin: details are helpful :) [00:09] no problem [00:09] Todays fun nouveau fact: firefox scrolls faster with nouveau than the binary blob on my 7600go [00:10] nice [00:10] die, nvidia driver, die [00:12] i noticed it wasnt running so i went to my appearane preferences, and so it was set to none, so i tried to change it back to custom, the screen blanks a bunch and it fails. so i goto term and type compiz --replace and it spits out this: http://pastebin.arslinux.com/157351 [00:12] im using the intel driver [00:12] DarkMageZ: it may have been that, but my xorg.conf was bloated with a whole bunch of crap, I'll be able to nail down exactly what was causing it hopefully [00:12] i'm assuming now it was something to do with multiple monitors [00:13] phin: you aren't using metacity's compositor by any chance are you? [00:13] i think its being used, yes [00:13] turn it off [00:14] how? [00:14] xcompmgr copypasta sucks :< [00:14] gconf-editor /apps/metacity [00:14] i havent used metacity in quite some time [00:14] ah ok [00:14] danke, that should work for me [00:15] Oh, man. I should turn on metacity's compositor while I'm nouveauing. [00:15] it's really disappointing that the author of the metacity compositor never even tested switching to compiz :/ [00:16] no shit [00:16] crdlb: thanks man! [00:16] that did the trick :) [00:17] Let's add that to the list of "things not to do": kill xcompmgr with metacity's compositor enabled. [00:17] now, i just have to patiantly wait for exa to pan out :) [00:19] Hey, cool. Metacity's compositor is less evil than xcompmgr. [00:20] no [00:20] lol [00:20] RAOF: in what way? :) [00:20] In the way that it doesn't randomly use corrupt textures. [00:20] that falls under the category of "broken", not "evil" :p [00:20] Although it seems that multi-head is a bit beyond it. [00:22] Ok. It'l less *broken* than xcompmgr. [00:24] Right. Although it does break Do like a twig. [00:26] Anyone know a good sfv file checker? === emgent is now known as emg === emgent is now known as \emgent === \emgent is now known as emgent === amblin_ is now known as amblin === ajmorris is now known as ajmorris|AFCLI === bmk789 is now known as bmk789_sick_bed [02:35] What is the alsa version of hardy heron? [02:37] hey [02:37] just check [02:37] what alsa it uses please [02:39] alsactl -v [02:39] and tell me what it says please [02:40] Wake up [02:40] !info alsa-base hardy | HellMind [02:40] hellmind: alsa-base: ALSA driver configuration files. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.15-4ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 191 kB, installed size 384 kB [02:41] nice [02:41] !info jack hardy | RAOF [02:41] raof: jack: Rip and encode CDs with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.1.1+cvs20050801-21 (hardy), package size 144 kB, installed size 656 kB [02:41] !info jackd hardy | Lord Momoland [02:41] lord momoland: jackd: JACK Audio Connection Kit (server and example clients). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.103.0-6ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 360 kB [02:41] dammit why it uses the old jack [02:42] HellMind: Please don't ping random people with ubotu, it's really obnoxious. [02:42] !info kernel hardy [02:42] Package kernel does not exist in hardy [02:42] !info kernel-image hardy [02:42] Package kernel-image does not exist in hardy [02:42] RAOF: sorry and thank you [02:43] !info linux-image-rt hardy [02:43] Package linux-image-rt does not exist in hardy [02:43] :O [02:43] !info linux-image* hardy [02:43] It seems you probably want to learn about packages.ubuntu.com [02:43] linux-image: Generic Linux kernel image.. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.4.4 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB [02:44] It seams there are no pre made kernel images with realtime capabilities [02:45] HellMind: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&subword=1&version=hardy&release=all [02:45] excelent [02:45] RAOF: you rocks [02:59] xstasi, augh === bigon is now known as bigon` [03:22] What can I do to push to introduce a new version of jackd into the hardy distribution? [03:22] who desides what should be there [03:26] HellMind: I'd suggest filing an upgrade bug against the jack package. You probably want to have answers for the following questions: Is there a newer version in Debian? What does the new version fix/add? Etc [03:27] why we are so afraid of upgrade? new upgrades usually gave more unestability? [03:27] No. Before feature freeze it's open slather on upgrades. [03:28] On the other hand, there are finite packaging resources. Giving people a good reason makes it more likely they'll do it. [03:28] is there any distro that always try to give the latest version of software? [03:28] Well, most of them. [03:29] I think Foresight is trying a rolling release? [03:29] Debian Sid? [03:29] that isnt enough [03:31] You can always help make Ubuntu (or many other distros) that distribution by helping to package shiny new stuff. [03:34] you do that? [03:34] !contribute | HellMind [03:34] HellMind: To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate [03:37] HellMind: there are plenty of rolling release distros [03:38] feature freeze distros are great for stability [03:38] and it offers a reliable way for people to package up 3rd party applications for a distro [03:38] as, things like libaries and the like, rarely change [03:39] say now, as a software devolper, i can release a package for ubuntu gutsy, and i know 6 months down the road, its gonna work still for ubuntu gutsy [03:39] i release for debian sid, it could stop working next week [03:39] its really the only way you are going to get more commercial software venders to even bother releaseing for linux [03:41] if you want cutting edge ubuntu, just switch right away to the next version once everything gets frozen, or goto debian sid. you could try a few of the other flavours, such as slack or arch. [03:41] gentoo is rolling-release, too, if you like unsupportable. [03:43] i do wish they would come with grumpy groundhog [03:43] * DanaG likes using development versions of Ubuntu. [04:02] locate libGL.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 [04:02] but rror creating symbolic link `./usr/lib/libGL.so.1': No such file or directory [04:02] /var/cache/apt/archives/libgl1-mesa-glx_7.0.2-3ubuntu1_i386.deb [04:04] -> libGL.so.169.07 [04:04] Should I unistall my nvidia driver :S [04:09] how can i fix that :S [04:10] what for I need to install that .deb -_- to use hardy [04:32] Odd. [04:32] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fontconfig/+bug/159434 [04:32] Launchpad bug 159434 in libcairo "Unable to set legacy subpixel rendering" [Undecided,Invalid] [04:32] I still can't set legacy there. === emet is now known as Tyler_Durdan [04:50] hello there, can Firefox 2 and 3 coexist in Hardy? [04:51] Yes === Tyler_Durdan is now known as emet [04:52] RAOF, whatever was done recently made my "standard" GNOME session work [04:53] thanks [04:53] alex_mayorga: Ah, with Xgl? Cool. [04:53] so I install firefox-3.0 and that's it [04:53] alex_mayorga: Care to check out ~/.xsession-errors, looking for some Xgl debugness? [04:53] RAOF, sure [04:54] Indeed. firefox-3.0 and you're good to go. [04:56] RAOF, there's a bunch of stuff on my .xsession-errors do you want to take a peak? I really dunno if it's related to video tough [04:57] alex_mayorga: You could pastebin it. But I'd only be interested in the top page or so. [04:57] !pastebin [04:57] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [05:00] RAOF, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52366/ any user induced breakage you see and is easily fixable I'm all ears :) [05:01] looks like my keyboard and sound are a bit broken there [05:02] Thanks. That looks good to me. [05:04] How do I remove all those Warning and ALSA lines :S [05:37] RAOF, any bugs I should report? [05:59] Anybody else have video randomly break in Hardy? My VLC and Totem both started displaying stripy video just now, sound is fine but the video is all vertical stripes. [06:03] RyanPrior: which video card & driver? [06:04] NoelJB: fglrx driver with ATI Mobility card. [06:04] NoelJB: the whole rig worked just 10 minutes ago though. It suddenly broke. [06:06] wierd. but wanted to make sure that the config was reported. it was suggested that you try a reboot and see if that clears it up. did you? [06:08] Yes, I tried rebooting, and I also tried shutting down the machine, unplugging it, and holding the power button down to discharge the capacitors. Still had no effect. [06:09] and nothing would have changed in your configuration? [06:09] It suddenly stopped working while I was browsing the 'net, listening to music, and watching videos. [06:10] I opened the video and there was no sound, so I closed it and opened alsamixer to see if something was muted. Nothing was, so I opened the movie back up and the sound was then good but the picture was bad. [06:10] And now the sound has stayed good but the picture is still bad. And what's wierder is, the exact same thing happens to VLC as well as Totem. [06:14] So, to answer the question directly, I had no configuration tools open, no root access to xorg.conf, nothing out of the ordinary for my computer use. [06:21] RyanPrior, wierd. [06:22] I agree. No ideas, I presume? [06:27] Nope. Given that we're talking about Hardy, have you considered a reinstall :-p [06:29] NoelJB: That may end up being necessary. Sucks though. [06:30] NoelJB: I'm sure it will stir up new bugs, on the other hand. I've only reported about two dozen since upgrading to Alpha 3. [06:30] RyanPrior, I suppose. I keep Hardy on a USB drive, and have reinstalled it from scratch (clean reformat) with each alpha drop. [06:31] I've been upgrading going forward, to catch the bugs in forward progress. [06:31] RyanPrior, I'm just waiting to see any action on the ones I've reported. Such as the hotswap bay regression from Gutsy. [06:31] Yeah, my bugs haven't been getting much attention either. [06:31] meanwhile, I've got today's updates downloading. Will take another several hours at the rate this hotel's network serves up. [06:32] That's only until we get the Ubuntu NeuroNet set up. [06:32] Coming in Alpha 4. =P [06:32] * RyanPrior can dream [07:04] * DanaG is going back to packaged compiz. [07:06] Are there any cool features in a build more recent than what's packaged? [07:07] Hmm, snowglobe and atlantis2 are cool. [07:07] But it turns out, the new versions seem to be slower on my system. Way slower. [07:07] hmm...that's no good. [07:10] I have a weird problem with the packaged build [07:10] Menus sort of "flicker" in [07:10] Instead of smoothly fading in or whatever they're supposed to do [07:10] Hmm, try turning off "fade" [07:10] I assume it's an nvidia driver issue though [07:11] (I also set my menus to 'vacuum'. [07:12] That got rid of the flicker...nice [07:13] I don't see vacuum in my ccsm [07:13] It'd be there only for 'open' and 'close'. [07:14] ahh I see it [07:18] Oh hey, mattismyname: can you try enabling the 'put' plugin and see if hitting 'super' (just that key and nothing else) makes the window move to the opposite edge of the desktop? [07:20] Nope [07:20] super isn't bound to any default action [07:20] In put [07:22] Ok, here's a question, how do I get macos-like expose? Where it shrinks the windows on the current desktop so all are visible [07:22] That's 'scale'. [07:22] I mean, in 'put', super isn't bound to anything, yet it still does something. Odd. [07:22] (For 'scale', I use screen corners.) [07:23] Got it [07:23] That's weird about put. It doesn't happen for me. I'm using whatever version is default for hardy [07:23] Odd. [07:24] Ok, this is weird, scale changes the ordering of the windows if I just hit the hot-corner twice in a row. I wish it would scale back to the window I originally had focused if I don't select a new one. [07:25] Odd. For me, it un-scales. [07:25] Maybe because I have sloppy mouse focus [07:25] Oh, and "scale additions" and "scale window title focus" are cool. [07:29] Oh, and 'put' keybindings don't work with numlock on OR off. [07:30] Well, super-z does, but no others. === ajmorris|AFCLI is now known as ajmorris [07:31] And super-KP_5 [07:32] But even binding it to numbers doesn't work. [07:32] It's like it's being childish and saying, [07:32] "OOOoh, I got a 'super'. Yay, move window!" [07:32] and then stops trying to do anything else. [07:33] Another odd thing: whether num-lock is on or off, my keypad still gives me numbers. [07:35] OOh, I see an [07:35] ' [07:35] OLPC keyboard layout. [07:41] Yay, I fixified it. [07:41] It turns out that somehow my keyboard layout was screwing stuff up. [07:41] It made all numpad keys just be numbers, and somehow ALSO screwed up 'super' for Compiz. [08:07] Will there be some serious performance improvements in Hardy? [08:09] DPic: No, probably not. [08:11] will that be made a priority for the version after? [08:18] I definitely think it's time for Ubuntu to make performance a high priority. speed, system resource consumption, efficiency, and even minimum disk space required for an install [08:50] DPic: as far as I see, last two Ubuntu releases has been tweaked heavily for performance, but it happens per project basis, as it should be [08:52] and of course, let's keep in mind, how subjective is term "peformance". As long it works acceptble for user - with all features he/she wants - it's ok, imho [09:03] hmmm, no windows decorations when Compiz is turned off with lastest updates? Anyone seen this? [09:23] For me, Hardy has had WORSE performance. It's odd. [09:23] The new scheduler seems to get bogged down by 'nice' loads too easily. === Tomcat_` is now known as Tomcat_ [10:36] high [10:36] u are? [10:36] after a update of now i can't use my mouse [10:36] i have a logifnord usb mice [10:37] lost my media buttons on usb kb [10:37] worked after first plug in [10:37] update without checking what is to be updated [10:39] does the 2.6.24.-4 kernel work yet? [10:39] always check but how supposed i know if it will break something [10:39] i have problems with my hardware detection [10:40] if it break revert [10:40] but expect breakage [10:40] breakage is to be assumed and expected [10:40] thats how you know [10:40] or read the topic [10:40] k [10:41] a update is weird [10:41] use a stable release for stability [10:42] a stable version is boring, nothing to do there :p [10:42] btw any way to debug why system hangs on booting when loading hardware drivers and also some X crashes? [10:42] dmesg and Xorg.0.log didn't give anything exciting [10:43] which kernel version? [10:43] my mouse is dead [10:43] latest kernel [10:44] i have 2.6.24-4 [10:44] it work before the update [10:45] I amm supposed to know which update right? [10:45] ah no, 2.6.24-3 here [10:45] you guys need to learn how to ask and answer support questions [10:46] you'd be better off posting in the forums and filing bug reports [10:47] well, how can i file a bug when i don't know what is wrong? [10:48] geez, thats the point in filing, so those smartter can determine what the issue could be, and you may find your issue is known, and or resolved with basic reading. [10:49] If this is complicated, DO NOT RUN HARDY [10:49] bye [10:50] peace [10:50] fnord [10:51] is there a way to start xconfig? [10:52] xconfig? [10:52] whats that? [10:52] to add a mouse [10:52] or something [10:53] lol [10:53] there is no "xconfig" [10:53] do you guys even know what system your running? [10:53] and where is the mouse configuration stored? [10:54] read the topic [10:54] yeah i run a 4GHz Pentium penryn [10:54] lol [10:54] asus p5k with ddr 1066 at 5-5-5-5-15 [10:54] whatever [10:55] core2 penryn or something who cares [10:55] I sure don't if you don't [10:55] and this monolithic kernel isn't able to find my mouse [10:55] good luck on getting help when you don't read [10:56] maybe linus saw space odyssey 2001 [10:59] i think i move back to weedian [11:02] whatever [11:02] lol [11:06] hey [11:06] !info nvidia-glx-new [11:06] nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 169.07+2.6.24.4-4.11 (hardy), package size 5660 kB, installed size 16192 kB [11:07] argh blkorpheus left [11:07] !info linux-image-generic [11:07] linux-image-generic: Generic Linux kernel image. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.24.4.4 (hardy), package size 25 kB, installed size 52 kB [11:07] wanted to ask if he knows one possible reason why my xorg.conf looks like this: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/30258/ [11:08] hit, because xorg.conf is obsolete [11:08] hit, hardy is going to make X use auto configuring and have changes in the xorg.conf like keyboard layout, etc [11:09] how do i configure X then? [11:09] hit, xorg.conf [11:09] they are going to override X's auto configuration [11:09] only when i need something special then? [11:09] yea [11:09] ok [11:11] section input decice [11:11] driver mouse [11:11] corepointer blah whaetver [11:11] port does not exist [11:11] protocol does not exist [11:11] whatver [11:11] i try to find a xorg backup file [11:12] alteregolio, xorg.conf.backup ? :) [11:12] alteregolio, if you used the GUI it normally saves a backup [11:12] alteregolio, else just use dpkg/X to make a new one [11:12] i can't use the gui [11:13] the gui is messed up without a mice [11:13] what is backslasg [11:13] alt+92? [11:13] idk [11:14] Hi! Anyone know how to get XGL working (with fglrx) ? [11:14] does anybody have a asus wl-167g or any other rt2500usb wifi device ? [11:14] erudified, sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl [11:15] no fun dpkg /x doesn't work [11:15] Doesn't work - 0115 version starts on :2 and GNOME kinda doesn't, prior to that I get a gtk+ suid error [11:15] erudified, why do you need XGL? [11:15] Why does that matter...? [11:15] AGILX is much better [11:15] and the new ATI drivers should support it [11:16] They don't work with Xorg 7.3 and they're not in Hardy [11:16] hmm [11:17] they do support 7.3 and should be in hardy [11:17] at least the new cards [11:18] ah it worked [11:18] now i just modified the xorg.conf with a old xorg conf [11:18] WELL THEN! [11:18] bardyr thanks ;) [11:30] is there a way to make screen brigtness bottons work, either some hacks or software [11:31] but i dont want to hack the ACPI DDTD tables or what they are called [11:39] hmm, i can define my media keys in keyboard shortcuts conf, but they won't still work, so problem must be in something else? [11:40] http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Pq4Q1Wz0 all right values in here [11:42] only key that works, is suspend [11:42] which messed up just something so i'll restart X [11:44] compiled the kernel against icc now [11:44] works better for audio rt [11:45] alteregolio, you compilled it with the intel compiler? [11:46] yeah [11:46] hmm I didnt know you could do that :D [11:56] hey hey guys.. is there a channel specific to virtualization on ubuntu (I just read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KvmVirtManagerEtc ) [11:58] pbor, you want to virtualize servers or desktops? [11:59] bardyr: desktop... nothing in particular just trying out kvm/virt-manager on hardy === thomas____ is now known as thomas___away [12:36] huh [12:36] 200 packadges to download [12:36] huh [12:37] 200 packages to download for what? [12:37] at 4Mb donwload/512 upload it goes 9989Bs [12:37] now 80Mbs [12:37] IdleOne: for update [12:37] sory for hightlight [12:37] np [12:37] :Đ [12:38] topic is fun [12:38] if..... do not run haardy [12:38] **hardy** [12:38] :P [12:40] 1731kB/s [12:40] 1773 [12:40] oooh [12:41] my adsl could run 45-5 Mbs but one idiot run torrent [12:41] :-@ [12:41] !! [12:41] Fetched 153MB in 1min42s (1495kB/s) [12:41] *4,5Mbs* [12:41] that isnt to bad [12:41] yeah [12:42] 47/200, 60-80 Kbps [12:42] only cuz of that stupid idiot [12:43] wich's comp is 24/7 online and it has all the speed so i havent anything [12:43] :@ [12:44] icy (that'z my gutsyđ internet gateway) 192.168.1.56 [12:44] all others are having later IPs than i [12:44] and one man wich was tested [12:52] MOTU Q&A session in 8 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom [12:53] w00t? === bigon` is now known as bigon [13:21] Hi, hardy is gona use the new scheduler that people at kernel trap where speaking for? [13:21] ewwww.... no? [13:21] i think so [13:24] sque: do you have bug with update manager [13:24] in hardy [13:32] e_r_c_e: I haven't installed hardy, I just had a quick view from live cd [13:33] :) [13:33] better not install (YET!!) === Hobbsee_ is now known as Hobbsee [13:44] 781 upgraded, 74 newly installed, 67 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 763MB of archives is that normal for a gutsy to hardy upgrade ??? [13:45] yes [13:46] hmmmm i guess i don't get that done today ... only 3 hour left [13:46] 3 hours for what? [13:46] of today [13:46] :) [13:46] lol === Zenton is now known as Zenton_ === TheImp is now known as TheInfinity [14:39] anybody here use an rt2500 wireless networkcard? === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon === thomas___away is now known as thomas___` === thomas___` is now known as thomas` [15:59] Hi guys. I have kind of a strange "bug" in Hardy. When connecting to my mac using sshf in nautilus, I have to log in twice before the browsable list appear, and even though I state "save forever", It stills asks for password the next time. Anyona having the same issue ? === DrUnKnMuNkY1 is now known as DrUnKnMuNkY === Pricey is now known as PriceChild === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [19:02] My usb mouse stop working how can I track the problem === bigon is now known as bigon` [19:15] i had kde 3.5.8 , now 3.5.7 is in the update === bigon` is now known as bigon [19:30] emerald dies frecuently is there any alternate pkg for that? [19:30] emerald[6214]: segfault at 00000004 eip b788078d esp bf93a4e0 error 4 === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [20:48] I've bought an AMD Phenom 9500, which is supposed to run at 2.2Ghz per core. However, in Ubuntu (whichever) it is rated at 1.8... The BIOS claims it's running at 2.2. [20:48] Any thoughts? [21:56] right I have sorta a strange problem [21:57] update manager opens but when it checks for new updates it crashes [21:57] well gets cought in a loop [21:57] and I cant open synaptic at all [21:57] or sources [21:59] tretle: have you tried updating with apt-get in a terminal? [22:00] now oi just figured out that it wont let me log in as root [22:00] ubable to resolve host [22:00] anaub;e [22:00] unable [22:02] hmmmm.... kung po chicken is calling me.... brb [22:15] yeah [22:15] back [22:15] unable to resolve host users-desktop [22:15] whenever i try and open anything as root? [22:26] kubuntu alternate install (daily 18 Jan) installation is not working on my laptop [22:28] is this the right forum to be talking about issues with hardy before logging a bug on launchpad? [22:31] hello, anybody home? [22:50] nope [23:01] hardy's qt4-sql module doesn't seem to contain sqlite support. could i be wrong? :) [23:06] if its any help this problem started when i changed the domain name [23:07] when i look in the /etc/hosts it shows users-desktop.workgroup [23:07] and when i try and log in as root it says unable to resolve hosts users-desktop [23:07] brb [23:12] right [23:12] I cant change the domain anymore [23:13] its stuck at WORGROUP [23:13] *WORKGROUP [23:13] any ideas? [23:15] i need a moebius gearbox for my fnordocycle === bigon is now known as bigon` === bigon` is now known as bigon [23:35] What gnome version will be in Hardy? [23:36] askand: i guess 2.22.0 or some bugfix releases thereof