[00:59] <ToMaK> http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w159/tomakramza/allenwall.jpg  <<--wallpaper that i made
[01:02] <desrt> ToMaK; !!
[01:03] <desrt> default hardy background image!!
[01:03] <_MMA_> cl34rly!!!!!
[01:03] <desrt> clearly!
[01:03] <Toma-> at least it would promote user theming
[01:04] <ToMaK> ?
[02:11] <_MMA_> Anybody know what font this is? http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/logos/community.pdf
[06:21] <mgunes> kwwii, ping
[06:22] <kwwii> mgunes: awake for another minute or so, how can I help?
[06:23] <mgunes> you may want to post a clarification to some people speculating about your involvement in kde and the hardy redesign here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=665874
[06:24] <mgunes> and/or just a note explaining the exact reason of the postponing first hand. or if you want me to, I can do so on your behalf
[06:25] <kwwii> let me read through that thread, one second
[06:26] <mgunes> ok. fyi, it's me who started it
[06:29] <kwwii> oh man, people can go off on anything :p
[06:30] <kwwii> the decision to make the LTS the last in the cycle has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that companies will use this and we need to have something which is well tested, etc.
[06:30] <kwwii> and it was not my decision anyway
[06:31] <mgunes> I know, but it's hard to get that across to people
[06:31] <kwwii> yepp, that is why I stay away from the forum
[06:32] <kwwii> I could spend all day every day defending myself to people who have little understanding of the situation
[06:32] <kwwii> the point is to get on a long term schedule and change things over time
[06:32] <kwwii> not make quick drastic decisions every 6 months
[06:32] <kwwii> we need a long term plan which is well thought out
[06:33] <kwwii> the way we are doing things now offers us a chance to really change things for the better over a longer period of time
[06:33] <mgunes> makes sense, but perhaps people are disappointed due to the announcements after UDS that a new theme is on the way
[06:33] <kwwii> see, the thing is, there were no announcements made on my part
[06:34] <mgunes> it's mostly the digg + ars technica effect I guess
[06:34] <kwwii> people read too much into comments made by people who have no idea what they are saying
[06:35] <mgunes> but the specs surely stated that a new theme is aimed at for hardy, right?
[06:35] <kwwii> I'll post a reply, but I doubt it will make real difference...when people want to rant they will ignore things anyway
[06:35] <kwwii> at that time the specs were only in the drafting stage
[06:35] <kwwii> they were just my idea for the future
[06:36] <kwwii> and we changed that as soon as we new the real plan
[06:36] <mgunes> did sabdfl make the call?
[06:37] <kwwii> he and others made the decision that this LTS is the last of a cycle, yes
[06:37] <kwwii> which really does make sense
[06:37] <kwwii> using kde4 as an example you will see that we started working on that 3 years ago
[06:38] <mgunes> true, makes every kind of sense
[06:38] <mgunes> perhaps it's just that people are too wound up for a change
[06:38] <kwwii> if you do not have a long term plan you will never be able to create a stable long-term base for a well planned change and really get what you want out fo things
[06:38] <mgunes> case in point, the amount of views the thread has had in one week is enormous
[06:38] <kwwii> perhaps it is just that people like to rant ;-)
[06:39] <mgunes> it's had more than twice the number of views my "contribute to hardy" thread has had in three months, which says something :)
[06:39] <kwwii> hehe
[06:39] <kwwii> I am used to the forums being this way
[06:39] <kwwii> it is like art-pirates or something
[06:40] <mgunes> me too; I'm actually burned out and will probably quit following it sometime soon
[06:40] <kwwii> aarrrgh! me wants a new theme!
[06:40] <kwwii> I'll post a response but I seriously doubt it will change anything
[06:41] <mgunes> I thought you clarifying that there's no relation between your kde involvement, which people seem to find strange for some reason, has nothing to do with the decision would be good
[06:41] <kwwii> yeah, I can at least clear that up
[06:41] <mgunes> other than that, it's not really possible to change people's mind and/or engage in a healthy debate
[06:42] <kwwii> I honestly do not think that the forum is the right place for serious discussion about this stuff
[06:43] <kwwii> all the people who are really interested and working on the artwork post mails to the mailing list or ask directly on irc
[06:43] <mgunes> I agree, but the "problem" is that most people use the forum as a one-stop shop for everything
[06:43] <mgunes> anyway, bedtime for me
[06:44] <mgunes> thanks for your time
[06:44] <kwwii> thanks for pointing that out
[06:44] <kwwii> sleep well
[06:44] <kwwii> I am actually sick and not even working :p
[06:44] <mgunes> oh, get well soon. see you :)
[06:45] <kwwii> see you
[09:01] <lapo> hi
[09:45] <troy_s> _MMA_: CL34RLY!
[09:51] <troy_s> _MMA_: And if I were to wage money, I would say that the font you are looking for is "Adobe Garamond Regular"
[09:51] <troy_s> _MMA_: But don't quote me ;)
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: aka "InsertProprietaryNameHere Garamond"
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: Akin to "Apple Garamond" during the "Think Different" campaigns.
[09:55] <troy_s> _MMA_: Which is further rounded out by the attempted Apple-esque mimicry.
[13:49] <_MMA_> Anyone ever resize a .svg in Inkscape and the image resizes as well?
[15:30] <kwwii> re
[15:31] <kwwii> so, for anyone wanted to read a long stupid rant:
[15:31] <kwwii> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4158330
[15:32] <_MMA_> No thanx. I've stopped looking. Its not the same forum I joined with Warty and through Edgy.
[15:35] <_MMA_> hehe http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9852603-1.html?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=Crave
[15:55] <kwwii> lol
[15:56] <kwwii> reading through that art thread I realize how useless it is to actually post on the forums
[15:57] <lapo> kwwii: forums are a waste of time
[15:57] <kwwii> lapo: yepp, totally
[15:58] <lapo> even wrost then mls
[15:59] <kwwii> :p
[22:13] <lapo> hi
[22:55]  * kwwii is off for the night, be back tomorrow afternoon, latest
[22:57] <_MMA_> bye