[00:48] <jay-oh-en> can somebody help me get my flash workingh
[00:49] <nalioth> jay-oh-en: is #ubuntu closed?
[00:49] <LjL> fraid so
[00:51] <jay-oh-en> why
[00:52] <nalioth> jay-oh-en: this is not #ubuntu
[00:52] <jay-oh-en> nalioth, i know cause ubuntu is closed
[00:52] <LjL> jay-oh-en, you were more than slightly inappropriate in #ubuntu...
[00:52] <nalioth> i'm afraid #ubuntu is open, jay-oh-en
[00:52] <nalioth> this is not a support channel
[00:53] <jay-oh-en> nalioth, well how come it keeps redirecting me to here
[00:54] <jay-oh-en> LjL, when?
[00:54] <jay-oh-en> ubuntu :That channel doesn't exist
[00:56] <LjL> Mez just set a forward, but i'm not sure it shouldn't be a ban, given he was banned already in december
[00:57] <LjL> that doesn't help, oh no.
[00:57] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4: that won't help
[00:57] <LjL> actually, it'll make things distinctly worse
[00:57] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, it said my name was already in use
[00:57] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> why am i banned?
[00:57] <LjL> !ghost
[00:57] <ubotu> On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[00:59] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> ill just wait til whenever
[00:59] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, so am i banned
[00:59] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4: you were banned because you insulted people
[00:59] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, the dude was trolling how long am i banned for?
[01:00] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4, true, the guy was trolling... however trolling back is worse than trolling. that's what the troll look for.
[01:00] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, well darn lol ill wait til the ban lets up if it does
[01:02] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4, i'm more concerned about you understanding how we'd like #ubuntu to be treated. it's a support channel. it's meant to be family friendly. some people purposely try to disrupt it. they succeed the more they manage to make other people misbehave in response.
[01:02] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4, i'll give you some reading to do
[01:02] <LjL> !etiquette > jay-oh-en-2-3-4    (jay-oh-en-2-3-4, see the private message from Ubotu)
[01:02] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, thanks
[01:02] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4: please give me a ping when you've read them and ask if there's any doubts left
[01:22] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, ok im done reading
[01:22] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4: all clear?
[01:23] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> LjL, after reading that , yes
[01:24] <LjL> jay-oh-en-2-3-4: please, try to ensure we never have a reason to ban you again
[01:24] <jay-oh-en-2-3-4> thanks LjL =]
[01:28] <PriceChild> Hey there aubade/
[01:29]  * aubade waves.
[01:29] <LjL> hi aubade, can we help you?
[01:30] <aubade> Putting in a request to have a ban lifted in #ubuntu-offtopic, has been around two weeks or so.
[01:30] <PriceChild> !guidelines | aubade
[01:30] <ubotu> aubade: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[01:31] <LjL> aubade: we would like to ensure you understand those and hopefully have no problem respecting them
[01:32] <aubade> No problem with the guidelines, had plenty of time to read 'em beforehand and have.
[01:33] <LjL> aubade: enjoy your time in #ubuntu-offtopic then. remember the be respectful part
[01:33] <aubade> Sure, thanks.
[01:33] <mneptok> but ... but ...
[01:33] <mneptok> he's gotten at least one ban per month from -offtopic for the past year
[01:33] <mneptok> what does it take to learn?
[01:34] <LjL> banner gave instructions
[01:35] <LjL> also, it doesn't look like (m)any of those bans were "real" to me
[01:49] <Amaranth> Mez: ping?
[02:44] <LjL> [03:43:52] <luchador> You have been unbanned from #ubuntu
[03:13] <LjL> [04:12:58] <aoirthoir> hey whats the deal with automatix..is that something folks do or dont want us to install?
[03:13] <LjL> aoirtroll
[03:17] <mneptok> down there they're 'rounding a posse to ride.
[03:18] <Pici> Wheres that?
[03:18] <Pici> LjL: ^
[03:18] <LjL> Pici, #ubuntu
[03:18] <LjL> since he was usually an -ot troll, perhaps he really doesn't know - not sure
[03:21] <nalioth> oh, he knows.
[03:24] <elkbuntu> LjL, i believe he knows... iirc he trolled mjg59 when he put out the post
[03:24] <LjL> well at least he wasn't much fed
[03:24] <LjL> i mean now
[03:29] <soldats> keep an eye on "wenbo" in #ubuntu mildly suspected troll
[03:29] <LjL> yes i noticed
[03:29] <soldats> :)
[03:29] <soldats> bye
[03:29] <LjL> i need to go to bed now though, so
[03:29] <ardchoille> Good night LjL
[03:29] <LjL> night
[03:29] <Pici> night night
[03:33] <ubotu> soldats called the ops in #ubuntu (wenbo)
[03:34] <soldats> sorry i asked but id rather not see a bsd troll for a support channel
[03:34] <Pici> soldats: Don't be sorry.
[03:34] <mneptok> soldats: good call.
[03:34] <soldats> :)
[03:35] <mneptok> Pici: "maryluz" is worth a watch
[03:35] <Pici> mneptok: I'll take a look
[03:35] <mneptok> Pici: i kept my +o just in case
[03:35] <Pici> I was wondering ;)
[03:36] <Pici> aww.. : /CSKICK maryluz No spam, thank you ma'am.
[03:38] <mneptok> wenbo is back, but behaving
[03:41] <luchador> why was i kicked for being a bot
[03:41] <luchador> im not a bot lol
[03:42] <PriceChild> luchador, one moment please.
[03:43] <PriceChild> LjL, ping
[03:43] <Hobbsee> luchador: clearly you act too well ;0
[03:43] <mneptok> luchador: and that circuit board hanging out of your half-zipped fly is somewhat misleading
[03:47] <luchador> ?
[03:47] <Pici> Hrm... /methinks that LjL meant to ban himself, he seemed to be doing that earlier in the logs.
[03:47] <luchador> WHAT CIRCUIT BOARD!?!
[03:48]  * mneptok polishes his halo
[03:48] <luchador> lol
[03:48] <luchador> any chance i can get unbanned from #ubuntu
[03:53] <PriceChild> luchador, please be patient.
[03:54] <luchador> i am
[03:54] <luchador> i just dont get why out of the 1200 people in the channel im kicked for being a bot
[03:55] <PriceChild> And neither do I.
[03:57] <luchador> calm down PriceChild im just making conversation
[03:57] <luchador> im not upset
[04:02] <PriceChild> luchador, I've removed the ban.
[04:02] <PriceChild> !guidelines | luchador
[04:02] <ubotu> luchador: The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[04:02] <PriceChild> luchador, please read that. Also note, no talking scripts or bots in #ubuntu.
[04:04] <luchador> I'm truely sorry PriceChild
[04:04] <luchador> i never inferred anything other than that you guys were volunteers
[04:04] <PriceChild> luchador, i meant the link at the end
[04:07] <elkbuntu> luchador, it's a multipurpose factoid, but it's probably not worded ideally
[04:08] <luchador> the wireless adapter shows up as wlan1 when i did sudo lshw -C network
[04:08] <navetz> can someone help me get unbaned from #bash
[04:09] <Pici> luchador: you're unbanned, you can rejoin #ubuntu.  This isnt a support channel.
[04:09] <PriceChild> navetz, contact whoever banned you
[04:09] <luchador> i typed it in wrong channel sorry.
[04:09] <Pici> navetz: No, we cannot help you get unbanned from #bash, listen to the folks in #freenode
[04:09] <PriceChild> navetz, alternatively, someone listed on /msg chanserv access #bash list
[04:10] <Pici> Yes, that is what they suggested to do.
[06:13] <dbmoodb> hello it has been more than a week now i think
[06:13] <dbmoodb> i am sorry, i hope you show you can still show me some compassion
[06:13] <dbmoodb> i will not do it again
[09:06] <ubotu> XiXaQ called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:06] <ubotu> n2diy called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[09:07] <Madpilot> dealt with
[10:08] <jpatrick> LjL: I'm sorry, I was sleeping
[10:10] <jpatrick> I'll deal with that next time I see him
[10:43] <ubotu> Odo called the ops in #ubuntu ()
[10:44] <elkbuntu> idiot
[10:44] <Madpilot> false alarm apparently...
[10:45] <Madpilot> or "hey, what does this do"
[10:45] <elkbuntu> i vote the second
[10:46] <Madpilot> good thing for him it's quiet in #u
[10:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: hahahahahaha
[10:52] <Jucato> :P
[10:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: You seem to say the perfect things at the perfect times
[10:52] <ardchoille> :)
[10:52] <Jucato> heh but now I have to explain... oh well
[10:53] <ardchoille> I helped, I think
[11:07]  * jussi01 read scrollback...
[12:38] <Pici> Sigh.
[12:39] <Seveas> 'sup P?
[12:39] <Pici> Too much faith in humanity.
[12:48] <Seveas> !ping
[12:48] <ubotu> pong
[12:53] <Hobbsee> !ding
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ding - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Hobbsee> awww
[12:53] <Pici> !king
[12:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about king - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:53] <Pici> :(
[12:57] <ikonia> would be cool if it repsonded with "kong"
[12:57] <Pici> I have my bot setup to do that ;)
[12:57] <Seveas> !king is <reply> kong
[12:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[12:57] <elkbuntu> !ding is <reply> dong
[12:57] <ubotu> I'll remember that, elkbuntu
[12:58] <Seveas> !zing is <reply> zong
[12:58] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[12:58] <Seveas> .!jding is <reply> jdong
[12:58] <elkbuntu> Seveas, you read my mind
[12:58] <Seveas> hehe
[13:00] <ikonia> elkbuntu: careful not to get ding and king mixed up, could be advertising "not-nice" films
[13:01] <ikonia> Seveas: jding = genius
[13:01] <Pici> ikonia: hehe.
[13:05] <ikonia>  Seveas is on good form today
[13:05] <ikonia> very ammused
[13:07] <ardchoille> opinions on the recent nick change in #k?
[13:11] <Pici> Seveas: Quick questions. I'm playing with the bot source, trying to get it to play nice with mysql instead of sqlite. Does the bot throw any errors during normal operation?  Also, what versions of supybot/python are you running it against?
[13:11] <Seveas> Pici, it should not throw errors
[13:11] <Seveas> and it uses the dapper versions of both
[13:12] <Pici> Okay. /me looks
[13:17] <ikonia> #ubuntu is a pain today :(
[13:18] <ardchoille> :(
[13:35] <ikonia> Seveas: how about a "post to bot" button in ubuntu's pastebin ?
[13:36] <ikonia> Seveas: could be a risky thing, just a thought ?
[13:36] <Seveas> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[13:36] <Seveas> abuse potential: extremely high
[13:36] <Seveas> been discussed many times since 2005, no good arguments yet :)
[13:37] <ikonia> thought so
[13:38] <ikonia> worth a query though
[13:38] <Pici> Post-to-bot?
[13:38] <ikonia> a tick box that fed the bot the url you just posted
[13:38] <ikonia> but then there are issues like correct channel
[13:39] <ikonia> and abuse as Seveas said
[13:39] <ikonia> it was only a random thought
[13:40] <elkbuntu> ikonia, it all falls down to 'would some idiot get their jollies playing with it'... yes? probably not a good idea to voice it ;)
[13:40] <ikonia> it was a bad call
[13:40] <Pici> Aha, looks like it was a python2.5 vs. python2.4 issue.
[13:40] <ikonia> just thinking out loud
[13:40] <elkbuntu> Pici, what was?
[13:41] <Seveas> ikonia, thinking out loud is good
[13:41] <Seveas> gives us a chance to shout at you ;)
[13:41] <Pici> elkbuntu: I'm tinkering with ubotu's code to get it to work with mysql instead of sqlite, but was getting a lot of errors.
[13:42] <elkbuntu> ah
[13:43] <Seveas> Pici, it can all be much better if the logs were stored in files instead of the db
[13:43] <Pici> Seveas: One thing at a time ;)
[13:44] <ikonia> ha ha
[13:50] <ikonia>  fourchan> sudo rm -fr / to solve it
[13:50] <ikonia> not good in #ubuntu
[13:51] <ikonia> thanks
[13:56] <LjL> Pici: no, i didn't mean to ban myself when i banned luchador. he had a script that tells you "You have been unbanned from #channel" in a PM when you get unbanned from somewhere
[13:56] <LjL> not good
[13:57] <ikonia> LjL: doesn't sound good
[13:58] <LjL> and crap, i should learn to *make sure* something is running with screen
[13:59] <Pici> LjL: I coudlnt figure out why you were banning and unbanning yourself before.  I figured that it had something to do with the floodbots or the bantracker.
[14:00] <LjL> Pici: i'll give you a demonstration in a minute
[14:00] <LjL> but, in the case of luchador, the "No bots" remove message could have given a clue :P
[14:00] <Pici> LjL: I thought it was a tab-complete error.
[14:01] <LjL> i don't miscomplete my own nickname :P
[14:01] <ikonia> I do
[14:01] <ikonia> duh
[14:01] <Pici> Many times I've almost said Pici instead of PriceChild.
[14:01] <LjL> i'd never, LongPoin1yStick is perfect
[14:01] <LjL> whops
[14:04] <jpatrick> hehe
[14:04] <jpatrick> was that sublimal?
[14:05] <Hobbsee> hm?
[14:05] <Seveas> Given that LongPoin1yStick comes after LjL in the alphabet, LjL is just being his normal nasty self
[14:05]  * LongPoin1yStick points
[14:05] <LjL> and i tab complete ljl by typing ljTAB anyway
[14:05] <ikonia> ha ha
[14:05] <Pici> I'm lazy.
[14:06]  * jussi01 always tries to tab complete things that arent nicks...
[14:07] <ikonia> BitcX is weird, if you make a typo it autocompletes the typo
[14:07] <ikonia> if I call pici say popo, next time I complete pici it goes to poco even though poco doesn't exist
[14:07] <jussi01> hehe, I just wish i could add autocomplete from my bash shell to irssi....
[14:08] <ikonia> jussi01: you can try "cat /etc/res[tab]"
[14:08] <LjL> Seveas, can enable bugsnarfer in #kubuntu-kde4 so i can part ubotwo (which is stupid anyway, i can't get it to reply to just "bug #", only "lp bug #")? if there's some relevant bug feed available for kde4/kubuntu hardy, perhaps enable bug logger as well
[14:09] <Seveas> @config channel #kubuntu-kde4 plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer
[14:09] <ubotu> False
[14:09] <Seveas> @config channel #kubuntu-kde4 plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True
[14:09] <ubotu> OK
[14:10] <LjL> dankje
[14:10] <jussi01> !opsnack | Seveas
[14:10] <ubotu> Seveas: Chocolate!  And Peanuts!
[14:11] <Jucato> !helpersnack | Seveas
[14:11] <ubotu> Seveas: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[14:11] <Jucato> aw :(
[14:11] <Jucato> oh there :D
[14:11] <Seveas> LjL, you want to set plugins.bugtracker.snarftarget to launchpad in ubotwo
[14:12] <ikonia> been a long time scince elbuntu gave me a cookie :(
[14:13] <LjL> Seveas: hah. last time i had tried "config search bug", there were 10 lines of stuff, and as i typed @more a bit too quickly... guess what :)
[14:13] <LjL> (that was on ubotwo, mind)
[14:14] <Seveas> @config list plugins.bugtracker
[14:14] <ubotu> #bugReporter, #bugSnarfer, #repeatdelay, #replyNoBugtracker, #showassignee, #snarfTarget, @bugtrackers, imap_password, imap_server, imap_ssl, imap_user, public, replyWhenNotFound, and reportercache
[14:15] <LjL> Seveas: ah, i didn't know that worked if you prefixed plugins...
[14:16] <Pici> You dont need the supybot.
[14:16] <Pici> er "supybot." in front of everything.
[14:16] <Pici> Anyway, whats with this xserver update breaking java apps that seems to be happening?
[14:17] <Seveas> good
[14:17] <Seveas> java sucks
[14:19] <LjL> Pici: i know, but i never realized there was a "plugins." prefix at all, somehow.
[14:21] <elkbuntu> http://bash.org/?835030 <-- i'm laughing so much i'm nearly crying
[14:22] <ikonia> Hmmm people starting to flood in with "xorg is broke after update"
[14:23] <elkbuntu> hmm i wonder if envy got updated
[14:23] <ikonia> envy isn't supplied by ubuntu so updates shouldn't be effected
[14:25] <elkbuntu> if they install an envy-provided driver and the kernel doesnt know about the version yet -- it will be
[14:25] <ikonia> doesn't look like it's "nvidia/ati" speicifc
[14:25] <ikonia> just querying a few users
[14:25] <Pici> ikonia: the java issues?
[14:25] <ikonia> looks like the intel cards are effected too that suggests it's the latest driver updates from xorg packages
[14:25] <ikonia> Pici: looks like it's more than that too
[14:26] <ikonia> just java
[14:26] <ikonia> just trying to work out
[14:26] <ikonia> I've got an intel card, I'll download hte updates now see what breaks
[14:28] <elkbuntu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/184018
[14:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184018 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "no terminal/console screens with new proposed xserver-xorg-video-intel 9.1" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[14:28] <elkbuntu> ikonia, ^^ is that it?
[14:29] <ikonia> reading
[14:29] <Pici> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969 too
[14:29]  * Hobbsee sighs
[14:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [Critical,Confirmed]
[14:29] <Hobbsee> dapper?
[14:29] <ikonia> maybe, it could cause the symptoms
[14:29] <ikonia> testing now, just downloaded
[14:29] <ikonia> Pici: thanks
[14:29] <Hobbsee> ikonia: which release?
[14:29] <ikonia> gutsy apprantly
[14:29] <ikonia> updating now to test
[14:29] <Hobbsee> oh dear, ti's dapper--> gutsy
[14:30] <jussi01> LjL: do we really need the "type bug #number" stuff in #kubuntu-kde4 topic?
[14:31] <LjL> jussi01: well, we needed it when it was ubotwo doing it, since one had to type "lp bug #"... now it's just the usual command, up to you
[14:31] <ikonia> whats a good java app
[14:31] <ikonia> something generic to test with
[14:31] <Pici> ikonia: hah
[14:31] <ikonia> bad choice of words ;)
[14:32] <jussi01> LjL: in keeping with the rest of the channels and in the interest of shorter topics... let get rid...
[14:33] <ikonia> can't think of a generic everyday java app
[14:34] <jussi01> ikonia: azureus?
[14:34] <ikonia> tt_: fine
[14:34] <ikonia> oops
[14:34] <Pici> ikonia: amule
[14:34] <ikonia> fine
[14:34] <ikonia> thanks
[14:34] <LjL> amule is not java
[14:35] <ikonia> download azureus now
[14:35] <jussi01> LjL: :)
[14:35] <Pici> LjL: Hrm, I guess I'm seeing things then.
[14:35] <Pici> I thought I saw it on `apt-cache rdepends sun-java6-jre`, but its no there now :o
[14:41] <jussi01> sigh.... Richard_Balls?
[14:41] <elkbuntu> oh, not him...
[14:41] <jussi01> #k ...
[14:41] <elkbuntu> jussi01, he's a regular linuxchix troll
[14:42] <elkbuntu> he will maintain to the death that it's his real name
[14:42] <elkbuntu> and he may post nsfw links
[14:43] <ikonia> ooh this is very interesting
[14:44] <jussi01> elkbuntu: sigh... ok, Ill keep an eye out
[14:44] <Tm_T> meh
[14:44] <jussi01> Tm_T: ?
[14:44] <elkbuntu> ikonia?
[14:44] <ikonia> elkbuntu: sorry, just looking at this java issue
[14:44] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yeah, i was wondering what was interesting
[14:45] <ikonia> give me a minute and i'll explain - just let me run this quick check
[14:45] <ikonia> I wish I had an nvidia/ati box to hand to verify
[14:45] <Tm_T> jussi01: just my "hello" ;)
[14:45] <elkbuntu> jussi01, did you request a nick change?
[14:46] <jussi01> elkbuntu: no, just watching right now.
[14:47] <Tm_T> elkbuntu: hi to you too :)
[14:47] <elkbuntu> Tm_T, meh :Þ
[14:47] <Tm_T> meh!
[14:47] <Pici> mwah.
[14:51] <jussi01> alright im off for a while... you lot can watch mr balls...
[14:59] <ikonia> at least all the jvm's respond the same
[15:10] <ikonia> Hmmm someone left a -maloc on the xorg repackage ?
[15:10] <ikonia> malloc even
[15:15] <LjL> ikonia: hm, say what? i'm upgrading right now, should i expect my RAM chips to explode now? =)
[15:17] <ikonia> ha ha
[15:18] <ikonia> LjL: try launching x-java apps after your xorg upgrade
[15:18] <ikonia> just testing non-X ones
[15:18] <ikonia> which should work fine
[15:18] <LjL> ah well i use no java apps thankfully
[15:18] <ikonia> I only installed some to test
[15:31] <jdong> LjL, ikonia bug 183969
[15:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183969
[15:31] <jdong> probably time to make a factoid about it
[15:32] <jdong> if people haven't started whining already ;-)
[15:32] <Pricey> is that hardy?
[15:32] <Pici> everything.
[15:32] <jdong> Pricey: security update
[15:32] <Pricey> lovely
[15:32] <jdong> Pricey: though I cheer on the disablement of java ;-)
[15:32] <LjL> security comes at a price as we all know
[15:33] <jdong> yeah they seem to be on the job in -devel
[15:33] <jdong> I wouldn't apply the update
[15:33] <jdong> :)
[15:33] <Pici> Do we have a fix/workaround?
[15:33] <LjL> too late for me, i wasn't listening
[15:33] <jdong> Pici: right now, no, stay put.
[15:33] <jpatrick> "< tjaalton> since disabling the extension is a workaround"
[15:33] <jdong> Pici: that's always the advice for broken updates
[15:33]  * Pici is watching in -devel
[15:34] <jdong> Pici: don't instruct users or allow users to instruct each other to try various ways to roll back updates, etc...
[15:34] <Pici> jdong: I never do.
[15:35] <jdong> Pici: never accused you of doing so
[15:35] <LjL> apt really should have a way to though
[15:36] <Pici> The bugs have been flying in for a while now, its too bad its taken this long for it to be really noticed.
[15:37] <jdong> LjL: yes, but downgrades aren't officially supported in any manner
[15:37] <jdong> LjL: there's no guarantee that the prerm/postinst going the down way was ever debugged to work :)
[15:37] <LjL> jdong: that's because apt has no sane way of doing them. all i'm saying is, it should
[15:37] <jdong> LjL: I totally agree, it should
[15:38] <jdong> LjL: APT needs a way to go down releases, our packages need also to be tested against such a feature :)
[15:38] <LjL> i still fantasize about versioning filesystems used for something different than showing a Nautilus with a time bar
[15:39] <Hobbsee> LjL: apt does have a way of downgrading.
[15:39] <LjL> Hobbsee: note "sane"
[15:39] <Hobbsee> it's sane enough
[15:40] <Hobbsee> in fact, it should be fine as long as there's not mroe stuff piled on top
[15:40] <Hobbsee> which also needs reverting
[15:41] <LjL> which is the main use case of APT, isn't it?
[15:43] <Hobbsee> what, downgrading?
[15:43] <LjL> Hobbsee: no, dealing with "stuff piled on top" (dependencies)
[15:43] <Hobbsee> oh, sure, yes.
[15:44] <Hobbsee> LjL: it's more the problem that you have to make sure everything goes down in the right order - including essential packages
[15:44] <Hobbsee> where not everything explicitly depends on everything else
[15:45]  * Pici tries to think of a good way to word the topic for this issue
[15:46] <Pici> "X.org update may break java, stay tuned for a fix"?
[15:47] <LjL> did anybody ask yet?
[15:47] <Pici> Yes.
[15:47] <LjL> i grep for java in #ubuntu, i find nothing (given my limited backscroll length)
[15:48] <Pici> I got a bunch of people asking about eclipse in my backlog.
[15:48] <LjL> ah
[15:50] <Pici> "The faulty xserver-xorg-core packages have been disabled on security.u.c. We are in the process of reverting the change and providing updated packages."
[15:50] <Jack_Sparrow> LjL: Can you lend me a hand on fxrabbit for a sec
[15:50] <Jack_Sparrow> or anyone actually, just want someone to double check me
[15:52] <ikonia> LjL: been a busy bit with the java stuff
[15:52] <ikonia> Pici: eclipse, vlc, few azeures few have asked
[15:53] <LjL> ikonia: vlc?
[15:54] <Pici> LjL: I think the bug affected wx as well.
[15:54] <ikonia> LjL: yes vlc has appeared with the same errors
[15:54] <LjL> ouch. now *that* worries me
[15:54] <ikonia> I'm trying to work through the updates now to see what's changed, just slow !
[15:55] <Pici> ikonia: They disabled the patch that causes the bug.  Its not a real 'fix'
[15:55] <ikonia> oooh
[15:56] <ikonia> Pici: is something going to be pushed out quickly
[15:56] <ikonia> (I've not gone through the bug in detail)
[15:56] <Pici> ikonia: From the bug "The faulty xserver-xorg-core packages have been disabled on security.u.c. We are in the process of reverting the change and providing updated packages."
[15:56] <ikonia> bug report I mean
[15:56] <ikonia> ahhh
[15:56] <ikonia> magic
[15:56] <Pici> I'm just listening in #ubuntu-devel
[16:00] <ikonia> good call
[16:06] <LjL> !xbug is <reply> The latest security updates unfortunately broke Java and wxWidgets applications. See https://launchpad.net/bugs/183969 for more information. An application may be affected if « apt-cache depends $(apt-cache pkgnames vlc) | grep "java\|libwx" » shows any output.
[16:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [Critical,In progress]
[16:06] <LjL> !javabug is <alias> xbug
[16:06] <ubotu> Factoid 'xbug' does not exist
[16:07] <LjL> hmmmm
[16:07] <LjL> !wxbvug is <alias> xbug
[16:07] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[16:07] <LjL> !wxbug is <alias> xbug
[16:11] <LjL> people are getting a 403 forbidden from the xserver-xorg-core package in security...
[16:12] <LjL> have they finally decided to actually withhold packages when they find they're broken? :)
[16:12] <Pici> Yes.
[16:12] <LjL> ah, good news.
[16:14] <stdin> hmm, K44ALL_Marphine in #kubuntu seems an interesting character
[16:15] <Pici> LjL: The whole repo isnt broken, just that package.
[16:15] <LjL> Pici, no need to nitpick... i've already hit max topic length once today
[16:17] <LjL> !no xbug is <reply> The latest security updates unfortunately broke Java and wxWidgets applications. See https://launchpad.net/bugs/183969 for more information. An application may be affected if « apt-cache depends $(apt-cache pkgnames vlc) | grep "java\|libwx" » shows any output. The X.org package causing the problem has been pulled from the repositories, that's why you get a "403 Forbidden" error.
[16:17] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[16:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [Critical,In progress]
[16:50] <Mez> Amaranth, you pung me earlier
[16:50] <LjL> hello Co__, how can i help you?
[16:51] <Pici> Why are we still banforwarding that address here?
[16:52] <Amaranth> Mez: pm?
[16:52] <jpatrick> Pici: which?
[16:52] <LjL> Crysis, how can we help you?
[16:53] <Pici> jpatrick: Co__
[16:53] <jpatrick> Pici: no idea on that one..
[16:55] <LjL> Crysis podemos ayudarte?
[16:55] <Mez> Amaranth, you want to pm me ?
[16:55] <Mez> or asking if it's in the afternoon ?
[16:56] <Crysis> hola
[16:56] <Crysis> no, por el momento no, gracias
[16:57] <jpatrick> ...
[16:57] <Pici> ...
[16:57] <LjL> Crysis: en ese caso, vuelve cuando necesita ayuda por fav.
[16:58] <Crysis> :'(
[16:58] <Crysis> no puedo quedarme?
[16:59] <LjL> !idle | Crysis
[16:59] <ubotu> Crysis: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.
[16:59] <jpatrick> Crysis: /topic
[16:59] <LjL> Crysis: eso dice que preferimos que aqui sean solamente personas que necesitan ayuda con los canales.
[17:00] <Crysis> pero no molestare, aun asi me tengo que ir?
[17:01] <jpatrick> si, es asi este canal
[17:01] <Crysis> :'(
[17:01] <Crysis> ok
[17:01] <Crysis> pero no hablen mal de mi
[17:01] <Crysis> bye
[17:01] <Crysis> cuidense
[17:02] <Crysis> take care all
[17:02] <LjL> Crysis: sí por que queremos saber que si uno esta aqui es por que necesita ayuda. cuando miramos a los usuarios de este canal, queremos tener una vision inmediata.
[17:02] <jpatrick> got plenty of places to talk bad
[17:02] <LjL> you don't give us reason to talk bad about you, and we don't. you do, and we do. i don't understand how it can be such a complicated concept to grasp.
[17:02] <LjL> jpatrick: well, no, i've joined them all ;)
[17:03] <jpatrick> LjL: /msg, muhahahaa
[17:03] <ikonia> nice translation
[17:04] <Pici> My latin is failing me in translating some of that.
[17:05] <jussi01> hmmmm,what does cat /dev/hda | tar -xj - > /dev/null
[17:05] <jussi01> do?
[17:05] <jussi01> (it was mentioned in #k)
[17:05] <LjL> Pici: cum trollus operatores disturbat, operatores eventualiter upsetti becomunt.
[17:06] <no0tic> jussi01, nothing
[17:06] <ardchoille> jussi01: nothing
[17:06] <Pici> jpatrick: nothing, it just uses up cpu cycles.
[17:06] <Pici> LjL: hehe.
[17:06] <jussi01> no0tic: ok, all good then, just checking as when i dont recognise a command...
[17:06] <no0tic> LjL, "upsetti" :)
[17:06] <Pici> Close enough ;)
[17:07] <LjL> no0tic: well, it races with becomunt really
[17:08] <LjL> but the everyday-latin version would be, ne operatores offpisseas
[17:10] <no0tic> lol
[17:18] <ardchoille> Well, I guess he told me
[17:18] <ardchoille> * intelikey* ardchoille i'll do no such a damnd thing.   and you don't need to kick me out,  i can find the door myself.
[17:25] <jpatrick> ardchoille: ah well
[17:41] <jussi01> wth??
[17:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, suzachild said: my english is very bad
[18:59] <jpatrick> jussi01: maybe it was the first time, he was on irc
[18:59] <jussi01> jpatrick: it was the second time he had done exactly that...
[19:05] <Tm_T> jussi01: ?
[19:06] <jussi01> Tm_T: oops... its getting late...
[19:08] <jussi01> Tm_T: muza had done the same thing about 5 mins earlier, got confused between maro and muza...
[19:13] <jussi01> jpatrick: Im going... cant get anything right tonite
[19:13] <jussi01> :(
[19:13] <jpatrick> jussi01: :( don't worry, tomorrow will be a better day :)
[19:13] <jussi01> jpatrick:  hopefully...
[19:18] <Seeker`> does anyone know when the repos went bad
[19:18] <Pici> This morning.
[19:18] <Pici> !xbug
[19:18] <ubotu> The latest security updates unfortunately broke Java and wxWidgets applications. See https://launchpad.net/bugs/183969 for more information. The X.org package causing the problem has been pulled from the repositories, which is why you currently get a "403 Forbidden" error.
[19:19] <Seeker`> roughly what time?
[19:19] <Pici> About 10:30 EST
[19:22] <Seeker`> Pici: So about 3pm UTC?
[19:23] <Pici> Seeker`: thereabouts
[19:23] <Seeker`> ah, cool. I was on campus then, so I didn't get any b0rked updates :D
[19:24] <nalioth> repos went bad?  somebody give 'em the cheap whiskey?
[19:24] <Pici> Past their 'sell-by dates'
[19:24] <Daviey> the repo's have always been bad, we are the dark side
[19:25] <TheSheep> Daviey: where is the light purple one?
[19:25] <Daviey> ------->
[19:26] <Daviey> It's Hobbsee
[19:26]  * TheSheep sets out on a journey
[19:26]  * TheSheep changes his mind
[19:26] <Daviey> no do, go
[19:27] <TheSheep> bbbut, but...
[19:27]  * TheSheep bursts into tears
[19:28] <Pici> !ping
[19:28] <ubotu> pong
[19:29] <Daviey> ompaul: o/
[19:29] <ompaul> Daviey, lo'
[19:33] <ompaul> Seveas, pong
[19:34] <Seveas> ompaul, ?
[19:34] <ompaul> pm incoming
[19:36] <Daviey> That ompaul, he's such a chatter box
[19:37] <Seveas> yeah
[19:37] <Seveas> amazing
[19:42] <ikonia> !jding
[19:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jding - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:42] <ikonia> :(
[19:43] <ikonia> ompaul rules
[20:26] <jussi01> !-rt
[20:26] <ubotu> rt has no aliases - added by Tm_T on 2007-12-18 11:26:52
[20:30] <PriceChild> Its a gary
[20:30] <Gary> eeek
[20:30]  * Gary nibbles PriceChild 
[20:30]  * PriceChild pats Gary
[20:59] <PriceChild> Hey stefg, how can I help?
[20:59] <stefg> PriceChild: sorry... a leftover from an old auto-login script. didn't join manually
[22:02] <assilva>  meu gnomao tigrao; http://img169.imageshack.us/my.php?image=capturadatelamg2.png
[22:03] <assilva> o poder do gnome
[22:03] <assilva> jpatrick, ola
[22:03] <assilva> jpatrick, look my walpaper
[22:04] <PriceChild> assilva, this isn't an offtopic channel
[22:04] <assilva> PriceChild, ??
[22:05] <ompaul> assilva, this is the ubutu ops channel
[22:05] <ompaul> is there anything else we can help you with?
[22:05] <assilva> ompaul, dont was beautiful my scren?
[22:05] <nalioth> Esta es la oficina para los operadores
[22:06] <assilva> nalioth, valeu bambi
[22:07] <mneptok> tenha por favor cuidado da porta revolvendo
[22:09] <nalioth> mneptok: کانال رسمی گپ و گفتگوی کاربران ایرانی و فارسی زبان اوبونتو است
[22:10] <Gary> awwww pretty
[22:16] <crdlb> gah
[22:16] <crdlb> < ~c0ldfusi0n> It's not hard. All i want is a tar.gz file containing the file I tell tar to gzip and not a directory  structure.
[22:17] <mneptok> ዌብ ምስሎች የውይይት መድረኮች ማውጫ · ከፍተው ይግቡ. አማርኛ. የረቀቀ ፍለጋ · ምርጫዎች · የቋንቋ መገልገያዎች
[22:17]  * crdlb wonders why he's asking if it's not hard
[22:23] <Daviey> Somebody has been set to kickforward here:
[22:23] <Daviey> 22:05:06 -!- port7 [n=mark@80-68-82-92.no-reverse-dns-set.bytemark.co.uk] has  quit ["I am going for a piss"]
[22:23] <Daviey> (just for your info)
[22:25] <ompaul> remove forward Daviey we don't kick ;-)
[22:25] <ompaul> ban forwarded to be honest they removed themselves
[22:25] <Daviey> erm, yeah - no kicking
[22:25] <LjL> crdlb: yeah me too, horrible attitude
[22:26] <ompaul> popey, ^^ see Daviey's comment
[22:26] <Daviey> popey smells
[22:26]  * ompaul considers replacing Daviey with a small shell script :)
[22:27] <Daviey> ahh, but can sh make a cuppa?
[22:28]  * jussi01 hasnt seen any of these cuppas... replace him!
[22:33] <ompaul> jussi01, :)
[22:36] <Daviey> jussi01: everyone else had one.. just not you - i don't like you  :D
[22:43]  * jussi01 curls up in the corner and sulks...
[22:43] <PriceChild> What's up jussi01? :/
[22:44] <jussi01> PriceChild: Daviey doesnt like me...
[22:45] <PriceChild> jussi01, maybe its because of the.... you know.... smell
[22:46] <jussi01> PriceChild: sorry... thats just you...
[22:46] <PriceChild> :P
[22:49] <ompaul> PriceChild, you are being subjective - you must be trolled for that :)
[22:49] <Seveas> speaking of trolls
[22:49] <Seveas> the Mess plugin is on again in ubotu
[22:50]  * ompaul wonders 
[22:50] <ompaul> no I am not going to tell them
[22:50] <Seveas> they know
[22:51] <jussi01> @t
[22:52] <jussi01> no t?
[22:52] <Seveas> not in here
[22:52] <jussi01> ahh
[22:52] <jussi01> ok
[22:52] <Seveas> -bots and -offtopic
[22:54] <LjL> DOOM
[22:54] <Daviey> jussi01: tell tell tit
[22:54] <Seveas> LjL, original or 3?
[22:58] <LjL> !info supybot
[22:58] <ubotu> supybot: robust and user friendly Python IRC bot. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.83.2-2 (gutsy), package size 488 kB, installed size 2948 kB
[22:58] <LjL> Seveas: 0.83.2-2
[23:06]  * jpatrick wonders wth assilva was on about
[23:06] <LjL> dunno, not first time he joins here i think
 !paste > eek <DRebellion> LjL: i believe floodbot1 already gave the pastebin link <LjL> DRebellion: yes it did, i'm sorry.
[23:09]  * jussi01 pokes Daviey in the ribs... am not!
[23:09] <LjL> scolded for spamming what my own bot already gave
[23:09] <LjL> i should retire
[23:10] <jussi01> LjL: I understand... Im having one of those nights...
[23:11] <jpatrick> LjL: danroj back in #-es
[23:11] <LjL> jpatrick: changed host, or unbanned?
[23:11] <jpatrick> LjL: changed nick
[23:12] <LjL> jpatrick: he was banned by *nick*?
[23:12] <jpatrick> LjL: I was lazy at the time
[23:12] <LjL> meh
[23:12] <LjL> well now let him stay until he actually does something bad
[23:12] <LjL> or crysis & friends will yell at you if you reban now
[23:12] <LjL> i suspect
[23:12] <LjL> hello th0r, can we help you?
[23:13] <th0r> yeah, I would like to discuss something with you guys for a minute
[23:14] <th0r> I think you should consider disabling that bot...a lot of the people coming into #ubuntu are newbies (I know...bad word) and feeding them a link to a howto is like sending them directions in greek
[23:15] <th0r> ok...no comments...will stick to suse...sorry I took up your time
[23:15] <Seveas> hehe
[23:16] <Seveas> no patience
[23:16] <LjL> eh, really
[23:16] <LjL> although the answer would have been pretty obvious
[23:17] <PriceChild> i think his patience is indicative of why he doesn't like ubotu's links
[23:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !ming is <reply> mong [in -offtopic. ubotu doesn't like suggestions in the form !command-#channel D:]
[23:24] <LjL> !bing is <reply> ban
[23:24] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[23:26] <jpatrick> LjL: 17:34 < Crysis> pipehh: #puertos-ubuntu
[23:26] <LjL> ohno
[23:26] <jpatrick> this guy won't stop
[23:27] <jpatrick>  /abk Crysis ?
[23:27] <LjL> that channel doesn't exist though
[23:28] <LjL> bah, i think he was kidding
[23:28] <LjL> in a weird sort of way
[23:28] <jpatrick> or, since he's /join-ed #-irc poking fun at us
[23:29] <LjL> or he was called there by danroj
[23:29] <jpatrick> ah well
[23:49] <LjL> !no xbug is <reply> A bug has recently caused an X.org package to break. It is fixed now, just update your packages list from Synaptic/Adept or « sudo apt-get update »
[23:49] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL