[07:53] <bryce> tjaalton: do we have many bugs against -vesa?
[07:54] <bryce> 12, hmm
[08:00] <bryce> wow, the vesa driver is all in one .c file
[08:00] <tjaalton> something like that
[08:00] <bryce> 1873 lines
[08:00] <tjaalton> ye
[08:00] <tjaalton> s
[08:00] <bryce> do you know if there's any development work needed for vesa?
[08:01] <bryce> or is it intended to be kept "trivial"?
[08:03] <tjaalton> well, there still seems to be some problems with getting valid modes for r5xx
[08:03] <tjaalton> but that should be "fixed" when those use ati or radeonhd
[08:04] <bryce> hmm
[08:04] <tjaalton> bug 174434
[08:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 174434 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa "[ATI X1300] Could not generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf.failsafe" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/174434
[08:05] <tjaalton> the title is just a symptom
[08:05] <bryce> oh yeah, I was just looking at that
[08:05] <ubotu> New bug: #183961 in xorg-server (main) "X Window System error while starting easyeclipse 1.2.2.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183961
[08:08] <bryce> btw, I passed on your comments about drm issues to intel; hopefully that stimulates getting some traction towards addressing the issues.
[08:12] <bryce> wow, -intel is 33,000 lines, and -ati is over 80,000
[08:13] <bryce> I would have suspected those numbers reversed
[08:13] <bryce> huh, and -nv is 19,000
[08:18] <bryce> -psb is 16,500, not too shabby
[08:21] <ubotu> New bug: #183969 in xorg-server (main) "xserver-xorg-core update breaks VLC" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183969
[08:53] <tjaalton> bryce: ok, cool
[08:56] <bryce> tjaalton: do you know if anyone's tried getting triple head running with an intel on-board chip plus an ati dual-output card?
[08:56] <tjaalton> never heard of such
[08:56] <bryce> I'm thinking of throwing some coding energy (after inkscape 0.46 is in the bag) towards making that work, if someone hasn't beaten me to it
[08:57] <bryce> I'm figuring intel and amd don't have a lot of incentive to make each other's products work together, so it's not likely to be something that gets fixed on its own
[08:58] <tjaalton> I understood that it needs some plumbing before it can work
[08:59] <bryce> I know it'd require ttm in order to stitch the screens together...  but what plumbing beyond that?
[09:00] <tjaalton> well you said it :)
[09:00] <bryce> heh, ok
[09:00] <bryce> ttm + misc. bug fixes
[09:00] <tjaalton> but maybe xrandr-1.3 had something to do with it IIRC
[10:21] <bryce> tjaalton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/183969
[10:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [High,Confirmed] 
[10:21] <tjaalton> known
[10:22] <tjaalton> oh
[10:22] <tjaalton> sorry I thought that was hardy
[10:22] <tjaalton> so the security updates broke that?
[10:23] <bryce> hmm, is that what did it?
[10:23] <tjaalton> only changes in .1
[10:24] <bryce> weird, I'd numbered my release 12ubuntu9 iir
[10:24] <bryce> c
[10:24] <bryce> ohhhh
[10:25] <bryce> I recognize those error messages; java must be using some out of bounds conditions or something
[10:26] <bryce> rats
[10:29] <bryce> tjaalton: sorry; this one looks to be my fault.  I'll sort it out tomorrow.
[10:30] <tjaalton> oh :/
[10:30] <tjaalton> I can do a merge for hardy
[10:30] <tjaalton> debian has the patches already
[10:30] <tjaalton> bryce: is there a typo or something?
[10:30] <bryce> no idea
[10:31] <bryce> but if there was an issue, I should have caught it when reviewing the patches for hardy
[10:31] <tjaalton> ok
[10:31] <bryce> kees did the uploads for gutsy iirc
[10:41] <tjaalton> hmm
[10:41] <tjaalton> actually.. are the X and java security issues dependant on each other?
[10:42] <tjaalton> I mean does java need to be updated if the X is updated
[10:43] <ubotu> New bug: #183993 in xorg-server (main) "Could not Start Eclipse Rich-Clients after latest xorg-server update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183993
[10:43] <ubotu> New bug: #183994 in xorg-server (main) "After security update to 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.1 can't start Eclipse Europa (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183994
[10:43] <ubotu> New bug: #183996 in xorg-server (main) "Eclipse SDK 3.2.2 (with aptana plugin) crashes after xserver-xorg-core update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183996
[10:43] <tjaalton> maybe not
[10:44] <ubotu> New bug: #183986 in eclipse (universe) "Eclipse crashes after xserver-xorg-core update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183986
[10:44] <ubotu> New bug: #183987 in pgadmin3 (universe) "PGAdmin3 won't start after xorg-core upgrade (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183987
[11:10] <Q-FUNK> ok, we have one confirmation that the patched xserver-xorg-core fixes -amd in bug #140051
[11:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140051 in xserver-xorg-video-amd "amd driver fails to autoconfigure" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140051
[11:36] <jcristau> meh. http://bugs.debian.org/461410 so it's not just you...
[11:48] <tjaalton> right :/
[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #183974 in xserver-xorg-input-keyboard (main) "KB language setting resets at reboot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183974
[12:01] <ubotu> New bug: #184004 in xorg (main) "Eclipse no longer works after upgrading to xserver-xorg-core-...-ubuntu8.1 (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184004
[12:01] <jcristau> can i blame java anyway? :)
[12:03] <tjaalton> hehe
[12:04] <jcristau> i suspect it's the mit-shm patch, but i don't have any swt app here to easily test
[12:06] <ubotu> New bug: #184003 in xorg-server (main) ""BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)" error when run amule or filezilla with xserver-xorg-core version 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.1 (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184003
[12:43] <tjaalton> hmmh? enabling exa made the problem go away for one reporter
[12:43] <tjaalton> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969/comments/17
[12:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183969 in xorg-server "xserver-xorg-core update breaks java apps" [Critical,Confirmed] 
[13:16] <jcristau> these "me too" are soooo useful...
[13:17] <tjaalton> very..
[13:22] <jcristau> tjaalton: exa doesn't support shared pixmaps, maybe that makes the bug go away
[13:23] <tjaalton> ah, makes sense
[13:25] <jcristau> are you able to reproduce it?
[13:25] <tjaalton> hmm, I'll try on my laptop (intel)
[13:25] <jcristau> the crash, i mean
[13:26] <ubotu> New bug: #184018 in xserver-xorg-video-intel (main) "no terminal/console screens with new proposed xserver-xorg-video-intel 9.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184018
[13:27] <jcristau> i'd like to confirm it's the ProcShmCreatePixmap check
[13:33] <tjaalton> hmm, I can't get anything useful out of vlc
[13:35] <tjaalton> trying azureus
[13:41] <tjaalton> duh, how do I get a backtrace from it? need to set a breakpoint?
[13:42] <jcristau> getting the name of the failing request would be a start
[13:43] <tjaalton> request_code 146?
[13:43] <jcristau> xdpyinfo -ext MIT-SHM
[13:43] <jcristau> should tell you the corresponding opcode
[13:45] <tjaalton> opcode: 146, base event: 94, base error: 170
[13:45] <jcristau> ok that's the one then
[13:50] <jcristau> mailed xorg@. maybe i should have sent it to xorg_security too...
[13:53] <tjaalton> cool
[14:11] <ubotu> New bug: #184029 in xorg-server (main) "emacs22 icon blank after xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8.1 update and Xfce" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184029
[14:17] <jcristau> got confirmation from another reporter that disabling mit-shm works around the problem
[14:18] <tjaalton> how to do that?
[14:18] <jcristau> Option "MIT-SHM" "no" in the Extensions section
[14:18] <tjaalton> ok, thanks
[14:45] <ubotu> New bug: #184032 in ubuntu "VLC media player fails to start (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184032
[14:46] <tjaalton> keep'em coming
[15:00] <jcristau> tjaalton: got a report that amd64 isn't affected
[15:03] <tjaalton> hmm, good to know
[15:08] <jcristau> there's an if (sizeof(long) == 4) in the patch though :)
[15:08] <jcristau> so that's not completely unexpected
[15:09] <tjaalton> hehe
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #184044 in eclipse (universe) "Eclipse won't start anymore (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184044
[15:51] <ubotu> New bug: #184046 in ubuntu "Eclipse's crashing after X update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184046
[16:35] <tjaalton> "whee", new fglrx
[16:35] <tjaalton> catalyst 8.1 aka 8.452
[16:35] <Q-FUNK> anybody wants to try porting bartman's x86emu patches to 1.4 ?
[16:36] <tjaalton> not me, at least not now :)
[16:36] <tjaalton> need to go shopping
[16:38] <tjaalton> jcristau: we've reverted the security updates...
[16:38] <tjaalton> until it's fixed properly
[16:39] <jcristau> tjaalton: all of them, or just that one patch?
[16:39] <tjaalton> all of them, just to be sure
[16:39] <jcristau> ok
[16:40] <tjaalton> I was tempted to upload a version to hardy with just the one patch dropped
[16:40] <tjaalton> but dropped them all anyway
[16:40] <keescook> might be reasonable to do that for hardy -- just to test the others.
[16:40] <tjaalton> keescook: well, I did it already. You can play with it if you like :)
[16:41] <keescook> tjaalton: heh, okay.
[16:41] <keescook> I don't understand why that chunk of code fails, though.  the tests _seem_ sane.
[16:42] <tjaalton> I'll build it locally without that patch
[16:42] <tjaalton> and put it on my laptop
[16:44] <jcristau> would be nice if someone would add some debugf's in there to know which check is failing and why
[16:59] <bryce> did the patches break on hardy as well?
[17:00] <tjaalton> yes
[17:00] <tjaalton> I tried it..
[17:00] <bryce> hrm
[17:01] <bryce> keescook: next week in London perhaps we could put some thoughts together about a regression test suite
[17:01]  * tjaalton goes out, bbl
[17:02] <bryce> tjaalton: thanks, cya
[17:03] <keescook> bryce: yeah
[17:03] <keescook> bryce: mostly we just need an extension exerciser.
[17:04] <bryce> I suspect many bugs would be caught by just trying to start X, and take a screen cap, but others are more involved
[17:04] <jcristau> i'd been using the patched version for a week without noticing anything fwiw
[17:04] <keescook> bryce: well, I might have noticed had I tested on i386 -- I only used amd64 this time.  *sigh*
[17:05] <jcristau> but then i don't use the apps that have been reported as broken by the update
[17:06] <bryce> yeah I don't make a habit of testing java apps.  hmm
[17:06] <keescook> I've suddenly grown a new habit.  ;)
[17:06] <bryce> ;-)
[17:09] <ubotu> New bug: #184000 in ubuntu "wxPython apps fail after xserver update (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184000
[17:09] <ubotu> New bug: #184079 in xorg-server (main) "Update xserver-xorg-core broke Eclipse (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184079
[17:09] <keescook> jcristau: what's the right way to report debug messages from an extension?
[17:09] <Q-FUNK> bryce: hiya.  any chance bartman's patches could go into X 1.4?
[17:10] <ubotu> New bug: #184078 in xorg (main) "keyboard stops working until logout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184078
[17:10] <bryce> hi Q-FUNK, not today (i'm busy getting ready for my flight out tomorrow).
[17:11] <bryce> possibly next week, however I've learned it's quite tough trying to get packaging done at a conference
[17:11] <jcristau> well, for debugging printf should work
[17:12] <keescook> jcristau: okay, cool -- I wasn't sure if it shut down std fds
[17:12] <jcristau> hrm
[17:12] <jcristau> you're right
[17:12] <jcristau> lrwx------ 1 root root 64 Jan 18 18:12 2 -> /dev/null
[17:12] <bryce> Q-FUNK: if I have a chance today, and if the patches go in cleanly, I'll try to get to it later in the day
[17:13] <jcristau> keescook: let me check
[17:14] <Q-FUNK> bryce: lovely.  if they work, can you pass them over to jcristau for inclusion into Debian too?
[17:15] <keescook> jcristau: I've found other mentions of fprintf(stderr, so I'll give that a quick spin
[17:15] <jcristau> keescook: you can use ErrorF
[17:16] <jcristau> (and #include "os.h", if needed)
[17:17] <keescook> jcristau: okay, building now
[17:30] <ubotu> New bug: #184085 in wacom-tools (main) "in xsetwacom, setting button2 also sets button1" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184085
[17:43] <mvo> what is the master bug for the xbork problem? I got some 403 errors that I would like to reassign there
[17:45] <jcristau> mvo: 183969
[17:47] <mvo> thanks jcristau
[17:56] <ubotu> New bug: #184088 in xorg-server (main) "permission problem on .deb download from synaptic (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184088
[17:57] <ubotu> New bug: #184094 in xorg (main) "broken input in wine/crossover after updating xorg" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184094
[17:59] <bdmurray> I've written a bughelper clue file for 183969 using the string "serial 477 error_code 11 request_code 144".  Is that a reasonable string to use?
[18:00] <jcristau> the serial number and request code will vary
[18:00] <keescook> ProcShmCreatePixmap (size < width * height) size: 12288 width: 1536 height: 64
[18:00] <bdmurray> What would be a better string to uniquely identify the bug then?
[18:03] <jcristau> keescook: thanks
[18:04] <keescook> jcristau: is there another channel that is better to follow along with debugging this issue?
[18:04] <jcristau> 12288 is 1536*64/8
[18:05] <keescook> size is coming from PixmapBytePad ...
[18:05] <jcristau> #define PixmapBytePad(w, d) \ (PixmapWidthInPadUnits(w, d) << PixmapWidthPaddingInfo[d].padBytesLog2)
[18:05] <keescook> yeah
[18:06] <keescook> PixmapBytePad is returning 192... (which is smaller than width?!)
[18:06] <jcristau> yeah it's width/8
[18:07] <jcristau> i guess #xorg-devel would be the best place
[18:09] <keescook> jcristau: what nick does Matthieu Herrb use?
[18:09] <jcristau> i don't think he's on irc
[18:09] <keescook> ah
[18:09] <jcristau> and airlied seems offline too :/
[18:36] <ubotu> New bug: #184082 in boinc (universe) "'boincmgr' received an X Window System error (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184082
[18:39] <ubotu> New bug: #183922 in xorg (main) "Xorg crashes after using Microsoft Word 2003 in Wine." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183922
[19:46] <ubotu> New bug: #184134 in xorg-server (main) "X.org security update broke Eclipse" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184134
[20:02] <ubotu> New bug: #163642 in xorg (main) "Maximum choosable resolution is too low even with nvidia driver" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/163642
[20:03] <bryce> keescook: do you think that java error could show up in wine crashes?  The timing of #183922 seems suspicious.
[20:04] <jcristau> bryce: that bug title says "Xorg crashes", not "app crashes"?
[20:04] <bryce> ah ok
[20:15] <ubotu> New bug: #184147 in xorg-server (main) "[Feisty] 403 Forbidden http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.2.0-3ubuntu8.1_i386.deb" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184147
[20:18] <keescook> bryce: it does make me a give nervous -- his log shows the updated X server.  but as jcristau says, it's not the bug we're currently fixing.
[20:19] <bryce> ok; I gave general directions for getting an X backtrace.  we'll see where it goes
[20:30] <ubotu> New bug: #184151 in xorg-server (main) "amule fails to start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184151
[20:31] <jcristau> wow, your users really don't know to search for existing bugs
[20:51] <bryce> welcome to our world ;-)
[20:51] <bryce> actually it's quite tragic - when they *do* search for existing bugs, they invariably pick one that isn't actually the same bug
[20:51] <jcristau> heh
[20:52] <bryce> so I think we drop a lot of issues just because we have to focus on the original reporter's issue to the exclusion of the me-too-ers; we ask them to file separate bugs, but I don't know how often they actually do
[20:52] <jcristau> i don't think there's another way
[20:53]  * bryce nods
[20:55] <jcristau> (of course, just when i think debian users are marginally better, i see a bug filed on amule for the same issue, and i get another on xserver-xorg-core)
[20:57] <bryce> heh
[21:31] <ubotu> New bug: #184169 in xorg-server (universe) "eclipse crashes on launching with a bad alloc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184169
[22:55] <tjaalton> I'll merge the xserver for hardy
[22:55] <tjaalton> now that the fix is included in debian \o/
[22:57] <jcristau> meh. clueless people ranting on lwn...
[22:58] <tjaalton> jcristau: link?
[22:59] <jcristau> http://lwn.net/Articles/265754/
[23:00] <tjaalton> haha
[23:00] <tjaalton> "once again"..
[23:00] <tjaalton> he has a good memory
[23:01] <tjaalton> it's been 1.5 years without any incident though ;)
[23:01] <tjaalton> and this time really hurt all the distros
[23:02] <jcristau> well there was a bit of trouble with the last libX11 fix too
[23:02] <tjaalton> oh right
[23:02] <tjaalton> my memory isn't that great
[23:02] <jcristau> :)
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[23:14] <tjaalton> duh, I'm having hard time merging/pulling with a tag.. it keeps getting it all
[23:14] <jcristau> git-pull . tag <tag>
[23:15] <tjaalton> hmm
[23:16] <tjaalton> yeah, looks a lot better, thanks
[23:16] <tjaalton> not that the patch wouldn't be useful, but it messes up the changelog
[23:41] <ubotu> New bug: #184191 in vlc (universe) "(gutsy) vlc crash on startup (serial 472 error_code 11) (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184191
[23:46] <ubotu> New bug: #184192 in vlc (universe) "vlc wont start (hardy) (dup-of: 183969)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184192