| gribelu | claydoh: didn't help.. actualy it was pretty fast except for restoring windows after minimize.. and i alt-tab a lot | 00:00 |
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| gribelu | ah.. no matter | 00:00 |
| claydoh | ahhh | 00:01 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| blizzzek | gn8 | 00:19 |
| Riddelll | anyone able to send a text message for me? | 00:21 |
| ScottK | Sure | 00:30 |
| ScottK | Riddelll: Where too | 00:30 |
| Riddelll | hmm, I wonder if I can even get the number | 00:33 |
| ScottK | I'll be in and out, so if I'm around when you do, I'll let you know I got it. | 00:34 |
| Riddelll | ScottK: /msged | 00:37 |
| ScottK | Riddelll: I got no /msg | 00:41 |
| * ScottK needs to run anyway | 00:41 | |
| Riddelll | +358 503122448 "muse is dying" | 00:42 |
| Riddelll | silly freenode | 00:42 |
| * ScottK tries | 00:42 | |
| uga | Riddelll: don't worry, phone costs keep spammers off mobile phones | 00:42 |
| ScottK | I think I sent it | 00:44 |
| Riddelll | thanks ScottK | 00:44 |
| nixternal | apachelogger_: your patch for the wallpaper doesn't work btw | 00:56 |
| apachelogger_ | nixternal: cool | 00:57 |
| * apachelogger_ is wondering why though | 00:57 | |
| nixternal | Riddelll: I sure hope muse isn't a person | 00:57 |
| nixternal | bbiab, gotta go eat some pizza | 00:57 |
| Jucato | pizza... | 00:58 |
| Jucato | :( | 00:58 |
| Riddelll | nixternal: fortunately not | 00:58 |
| * apachelogger_ is now in a quite euphoric mood and starts rolling of amarok 1.80 | 01:00 | |
| Jucato | nixternal: btw. you're on planetkde already | 01:01 |
| Jucato | oooh looks like the kplayer license problem will be resolved: http://trolltech.com/company/newsroom/announcements/press.2008-01-18.1601592972 | 01:15 |
| Jucato | "Trolltech’s Qt to be licensed under the GPL v3" | 01:15 |
| nixternal | Jucato: ooh groovy, to both planet kde and gpl v3 :) | 01:25 |
| Jucato | :D | 01:26 |
| nixternal | my god, this pizza we had tonight was the biggest I ever had | 01:26 |
| nixternal | 2 pieces and I wanted to blow up | 01:26 |
| Jucato | wow | 01:26 |
| nixternal | jjesse will tell ya, I can eat a whole pizza by myself :) | 01:26 |
| Jucato | why am I not surprised? :D | 01:28 |
| nixternal | who is sending me ctcps | 01:46 |
| Jucato | not me | 01:48 |
| nixternal | w00t, apachelogger_! did you add a patch to fix the fonts in Konqi too? | 01:49 |
| nixternal | who is that in the picture with you Riddell? besides konqi and katie | 01:54 |
| Jucato | the first couple don't look too happy.. | 01:54 |
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| nixternal | oi | 04:29 |
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| === Lure_ is now known as Lure | ||
| Lure | any core-dev around to sponsor new snapshot of kdepim-enterprise? | 11:48 |
| === Huahua is now known as Shely | ||
| apachelogger__ | stdin: bug 183800 | 12:30 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 183800 in kdebase-kde4 "cannot lock KDE 4 desktop" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183800 | 12:30 |
| apachelogger__ | there is a solution proposed to add kdm-kde4 as dep for extragear-plasma | 12:30 |
| apachelogger__ | the question is just whether this might be dangerous for users | 12:30 |
| apachelogger__ | bug 184291 also sounds nice :| | 12:32 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 184291 in kdebase-workspace "Wrong encoding with kde applications using a kdm4 X session" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184291 | 12:32 |
| stdin | apachelogger: settings a depends on kdm-kde4 should be fine, locking works even when not using it as the default display manager. as for 184291, I don't have a clue :) | 14:16 |
| ryanakca | is this known "Kpackage requires the SMART Package Manager to be installed in order to function" when starting KPackage KDE4 from the kmenu? | 14:49 |
| apachelogger | yes | 14:49 |
| Jucato | I filed a bug report for that | 14:50 |
| ryanakca | okies :) | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | just dunno what to do :P | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | maybe kick kpackage | 14:50 |
| Jucato | it should depend on smartpm-core | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | ok | 14:50 |
| * ryanakca is having fun exploring KDE4... | 14:50 | |
| Jucato | not any packager's fault though... even the CMakeLists.txt of kdeadmin and kdeadmin/kpackage doesn't even mention SmartPM at all | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | !info kpackage-kde4 hardy | 14:50 |
| ubotu | kpackage-kde4: KDE4 package management tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 428 kB, installed size 952 kB | 14:50 |
| apachelogger | pfft, can't you tell me the src package | 14:51 |
| * apachelogger mumbles: stupid bot | 14:51 | |
| ryanakca | file a bug against ubuntu-bots | 14:51 |
| ryanakca | Source: kdeadmin-kde4 | 14:51 |
| Jucato | should be kdeadmin-kde4 or somethign :) | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | I am too busy for filing bugs | 14:51 |
| ryanakca | lol, well, I'll file it and you can confirm? | 14:51 |
| apachelogger | sure | 14:52 |
| Jucato | file which one? | 14:52 |
| Jucato | oh nvm :P | 14:52 |
| ryanakca | lol | 14:52 |
| * ryanakca wonders on just writing the patch and sending it to Seveas instead of filing a bug | 14:52 | |
| apachelogger | hm stdin arleady created a debdfif | 14:53 |
| apachelogger | very nice | 14:53 |
| Jucato | yeah I bugged stdin about that last weak :D | 14:53 |
| stdin | someone's talking about me, I can tell :p | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | someone write a postit: kdeadmin ain't in backports | 14:54 |
| * apachelogger stops work on kdm | 14:54 | |
| apachelogger | stdin: can you please have a look at the init file, for me the stop cmd doesn't work, reporting the pid file doesn't exist | 14:54 |
| apachelogger | my global shortcuts are br0ken again | 14:55 |
| apachelogger | this issue is totally strange | 14:55 |
| stdin | apachelogger: I've just been trying to figure out why that happens, then knetworkmanager decided that I don't have any network interfaces so I had to configure my wireless manually :) | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | oioi | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | all fucked up | 14:56 |
| apachelogger | awful | 14:56 |
| * emonkey has also installed kwifimanager if knetmanager doesn't works | 14:57 | |
| emonkey | but that's very rarely | 14:57 |
| stdin | now that's odd... PIDFILE is set as /var/run/kdm-kde4.pid, but /var/run/kdm.pid is used | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | stdin: probably some variable issue | 15:02 |
| apachelogger | where the -kde4 gets kicked out due to wrongly passed var | 15:02 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: looks like if I write the patch he'll apply it | 15:03 |
| ryanakca | should be simple enough... | 15:03 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: hooray :) | 15:07 |
| * stdin investigates kdm some more | 15:09 | |
| apachelogger | Oo | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | kdm-kde4 is isn't all that useable | 15:24 |
| apachelogger | causes strange graphical quirks for me | 15:24 |
| * Hobbsee pondres how out of date her edgy machine must b | 15:32 | |
| Hobbsee | e | 15:32 |
| ryanakca | lol | 15:34 |
| * apachelogger uploads kdeadmin ubuntu2 | 15:37 | |
| apachelogger | wooha | 15:38 |
| apachelogger | kpackage needs a patch to use sudo by default -.- | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | can't they just use kdesu :| | 15:39 |
| ryanakca | heh... see, it seems to me that everything, or most of the stuff I do, for Kubuntu/Ubuntu is for the developpers, instead of the end user... groupware server... patching bot... website is half & half... | 15:39 |
| claydoh | a quick question for the forum: is kde4 not avail for feisty due to compatibility or just time/manpower? | 15:39 |
| apachelogger | probably both | 15:39 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: I'm guessing that we're dropping adept for kde4 ? | 15:39 |
| ryanakca | claydoh: ... my reply would be that if they really want to have fun with kde4, and they aren't afraid of a bit of work, to compile it from source / svn. Otherwise, I'd second apachelogger ... | 15:40 |
| stdin | claydoh: it needs newer libs that would all have to be backported an probably break a lot of things | 15:40 |
| claydoh | thats what I said in reply, and then he asked why :) | 15:41 |
| claydoh | he has trouble with gutsy, feisty works for him better | 15:42 |
| stdin | tell him "stdin said so, that's why" :) | 15:42 |
| claydoh | stdin: that works :) | 15:42 |
| stdin | you can also tell him to set up his own PPA to build KDE4 on feisty, that way he'll soon figure out the exact reasons why it won't work | 15:43 |
| mornfall | ryanakca: You are? Hm. | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: I have no idea about dropping adept | 15:43 |
| apachelogger | there is not really any better replacement | 15:44 |
| apachelogger | qpackagekit is br0ken | 15:44 |
| stdin | apachelogger: I think I've found the problem with KDM, I'm testing a patch now | 15:44 |
| apachelogger | kpackage is one hell of confusing crap + it doesn't go very deep in dpkg magic | 15:44 |
| apachelogger | stdin: cool | 15:44 |
| mornfall | Well. | 15:45 |
| ryanakca | mornfall: eh? | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: someone is working on a qt4 port actually, right? | 15:46 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: Well, I am. | 15:46 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: ah, ok... so KPackage is just something thats there because its there? | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: ok :) | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: yet another package manager | 15:46 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: okies | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | it's usable, but is neither what our users need and we want | 15:46 |
| mornfall | But I should probably know if you are going to drop it, since I would have more time for other things, then. | 15:46 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: you might throw a discussion about this up on schedule for our next meeting | 15:47 |
| ryanakca | mornfall: I'm not... I just guessed we were because I saw a Kpackage KDE4 and not an Adept KDE4 | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | but as saied, I see no reason why we should do at this point | 15:47 |
| apachelogger | stdin: can you please backport yakuake to the ppa? | 15:48 |
| apachelogger | http://kemistry-desktop.blogspot.com/2008/01/kde-400-no-yukuake-for-kubuntu.html | 15:48 |
| stdin | apachelogger: didn't someone tell me not to put it into the ppa, hmm? | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | well | 15:50 |
| apachelogger | hold on | 15:50 |
| * apachelogger thought it is in the archives already | 15:50 | |
| apachelogger | hum | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | lol | 15:53 |
| apachelogger | it appears to me I didn't upload | 15:53 |
| stdin | well that's rather silly of you isn't it ;) | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | haha | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | I signed it with my key | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | but didn't dput it | 15:54 |
| claydoh | pleasepleasepleaseplease no kpackage please please | 15:55 |
| claydoh | adept is much better :) | 15:55 |
| apachelogger | claydoh: I already saied that kpackage is no alternative for us, didn't I? :P | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | uh, turkish spam | 15:56 |
| * claydoh didn't read up sorry | 15:56 | |
| claydoh | or down rather | 15:56 |
| claydoh | thank yo thank you | 15:56 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | "A penis is a terrible thing to waste." | 15:58 |
| mornfall | To knowledgeable people... Is adept-notifier and adept-upgrader still used? | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | ain't spam lovely :P | 15:58 |
| mornfall | I imagine -installer has not been replaced, but those two, dunno. | 15:58 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: notifier I think, but I don't have that stuff running, so.... | 15:59 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Around? | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | -(~:$)-> ls /usr/share/autostart/|grep adept | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | adept_notifier_auto.desktop | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | so I'd say notifier | 16:00 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: what would we replace it with? | 16:01 |
| apachelogger | stdin: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=yakuake but this time :P | 16:01 |
| stdin | time to put dgetlp to use | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | nah, time to write some more meeting cruft :P | 16:04 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: No idea. | 16:06 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: I have thought the upgrader thingy has been replaced, so along that could go notifier. | 16:06 |
| mornfall | Hm, 23rd is Wed. I could probably make that one. | 16:08 |
| mornfall | Do they happen here? | 16:08 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: why do we want .kde for KDE 4? I can't remember... | 16:08 |
| apache|mobile | mornfall: #ubuntu-meeting | 16:08 |
| mornfall | Okey. Anyone could remind me? : - ). | 16:08 |
| mornfall | I assume CEST? | 16:09 |
| mornfall | Err. | 16:09 |
| mornfall | CET | 16:09 |
| apache|mobile | mornfall: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings | 16:09 |
| apache|mobile | UTC | 16:09 |
| mornfall | Hmh, UTC. | 16:09 |
| apache|mobile | always UTC :D | 16:09 |
| apache|mobile | UTC FTW! | 16:09 |
| mornfall | Eh. | 16:10 |
| mornfall | So I am +1, meaning midnight. | 16:10 |
| mornfall | Ah, I guess that's because Riddell is UTC ; - ) *hides*. | 16:10 |
| mornfall | Hm, there should be some CDBS users around? | 16:11 |
| * apache|mobile points at smarter | 16:12 | |
| smarter | hi | 16:12 |
| smarter | sup? | 16:13 |
| apache|mobile | smarter: ahoy, oxygen cursors rc1 is going to be released in some days, so we just wait for that | 16:13 |
| smarter | apache|mobile: fine | 16:14 |
| stdin | apache|mobile: umm, do we? | 16:17 |
| apache|mobile | I do | 16:17 |
| apache|mobile | already got the main reason | 16:17 |
| * apache|mobile is loosing memory | 16:18 | |
| apache|mobile | anyway, the thing is | 16:18 |
| apache|mobile | if we go with .kde4, it's not future proof | 16:18 |
| apache|mobile | because | 16:18 |
| apache|mobile | we need a wizard for hardy | 16:18 |
| apache|mobile | which takes care .kde4 users can migrate their kde3 stuff | 16:18 |
| stdin | oh, you mean in the "future", yeah | 16:18 |
| apache|mobile | and once we switch to .kde for kde4 we have to migrate everything back and at the same time move the kde3 data to .kde3 | 16:19 |
| apache|mobile | so we should go with .kde for kde4 already in hardy | 16:19 |
| * apache|mobile writes the wiki page | 16:19 | |
| nixternal | mornin' | 16:27 |
| jpatrick | afternoo' | 16:27 |
| smarter | evenin' | 16:27 |
| jjesse | mornin | 16:31 |
| stdin | hmm, guess what I just found out... | 16:32 |
| stdin | our kdelibs5 seems to use -rpath | 16:33 |
| Tm_T | stdin: I'm not really pregnant? | 16:33 |
| * Tm_T hides | 16:33 | |
| stdin | Tm_T: not anything quite so exciting, no | 16:33 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: you heard thiago about rpath | 16:33 |
| stdin | apache|mobile: yeah, I know what he thinks ;) but isn't it policy not to use it in our .debs? | 16:34 |
| * apache|mobile doesn't really honor wrong policies | 16:34 | |
| apache|mobile | and I chose to belive kde over debian | 16:34 |
| apache|mobile | probably only because I'm evolved in one of them ;-) | 16:35 |
| stdin | but that means that I didn't have to go to all that trouble of disabling rpath with yakuake-kde4 | 16:35 |
| apache|mobile | *envolved or something | 16:35 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: well, it's only my opinion | 16:35 |
| apache|mobile | nixternal would probably eat you | 16:35 |
| stdin | well if kdelibs5 has rpath, it doesn't matter if yakuake-kde4 does or not | 16:36 |
| * apache|mobile actually thinks thiago should write a blog or something about why rpath isn't evil | 16:36 | |
| apache|mobile | stdin: yep | 16:36 |
| apache|mobile | pretty much so | 16:36 |
| stdin | so I could have saved a good hour of my life there :p | 16:36 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: you should just starten to listen to kde devs :P | 16:36 |
| apache|mobile | anyway | 16:36 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/DotKde | 16:37 |
| apache|mobile | makes sense? | 16:37 |
| stdin | an hour I could have spent sleeping or something useful like that | 16:37 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: you have no idea how often this happened to me already | 16:37 |
| stdin | apache|mobile: what about hardy installs that have kde3 only? they'll just have a .kde3 right? | 16:39 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: yep | 16:40 |
| apache|mobile | .kde just gets moved to .kde3 | 16:40 |
| apache|mobile | we need some reliable way of migration detection though | 16:40 |
| apache|mobile | maybe an entrie in the kdeglobals config | 16:40 |
| apache|mobile | so the wizard knows - oh the user only used .kde3 now and therefore it's in .kde3, now I just need to ask whether he wants to migrate the configs or start off with a clear profile | 16:41 |
| apache|mobile | http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot66.jpg | 16:42 |
| apache|mobile | ^ would be the usual migration options when starting kde4 | 16:42 |
| apache|mobile | technically, there is also the case when someone used kde4 in gutsy, hence has a .kde4 directory, but that ain't that important, because the kde 3 ones are probably better configured, hence migration of these makes more sense | 16:43 |
| apache|mobile | well | 16:43 |
| * apache|mobile starts writing the wizard page | 16:44 | |
| stdin | how will gutsy (kde3) -> hardy (kde3) migration go, ie: how will you move .kde to .kde3 | 16:44 |
| stdin | ? | 16:44 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: I think the best thing is to just change the kde sessions for kde to execute kubuntu-startkde which acts a wrapper, so the wizzard gets executed before the actual starting process | 16:45 |
| apache|mobile | so we can do an unde the hood move without showing the actual wizard | 16:45 |
| apache|mobile | just mv .kde to .kde3 | 16:46 |
| apache|mobile | and write an entry in the kdeglobals of .kde3 | 16:46 |
| apache|mobile | oh, well cp -r even | 16:46 |
| apache|mobile | mv might be bad for a later following kde 4 migration of the user configs ;-) | 16:46 |
| stdin | cp -a is better :) | 16:46 |
| apache|mobile | what eva :P | 16:46 |
| apache|mobile | I'm sure Riddell will find a wicked minded python cmd ;-) | 16:47 |
| stdin | well, -a perseveres permissions | 16:47 |
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| stdin | apache|mobile: this should fix kdm http://www.stdin.me.uk/diffs/post-rel/kdebase-workspace_4.0.0-0ubuntu8.debdiff | 17:20 |
| stdin | (again) | 17:20 |
| apache|mobile | stupid kdm | 17:20 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: thx, will test later | 17:20 |
| nixternal | stdin: are you going to put yakuake-kde4 into the ppa? | 17:30 |
| nixternal | gutsy users are getting antsy :) | 17:30 |
| stdin | nixternal: I uploaded it a while ago | 17:30 |
| jpatrick | yay!! | 17:31 |
| apache|mobile | nixternal: guts geeks :P | 17:32 |
| apache|mobile | no user would use yakuake IMO | 17:32 |
| apache|mobile | *gutsy even | 17:32 |
| jpatrick | why? | 17:32 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard | 17:32 |
| apache|mobile | jpatrick: users don't have a konsole addiction which would have them run an app which keeps a konsole always available in background | 17:33 |
| jpatrick | apache|mobile: I like it :p | 17:33 |
| apache|mobile | jpatrick: you're a geek! :P | 17:33 |
| nixternal | many people have a yakuake addiction | 17:33 |
| nixternal | including me | 17:33 |
| * apache|mobile is wondering what causes the global shortcut breakage all the time | 17:33 | |
| jpatrick | apache|mobile: it's useful to just press F12 and presto | 17:34 |
| apache|mobile | must be some configuration quirk since it works with a clean .kde4 | 17:34 |
| apache|mobile | jpatrick: yeah, but only if you do that a lot of times a day | 17:34 |
| nixternal | stdin: where is the hardy yakuake-kde4? I can't wait any longer :) | 17:34 |
| apache|mobile | nixternal: in nu | 17:34 |
| nixternal | roger | 17:34 |
| stdin | nixternal: blame apachelogger :p | 17:34 |
| apache|mobile | if only Riddell would be around | 17:34 |
| mhb | so it's set in stone now that we're going to .kde3? | 17:35 |
| mhb | for hardy, that is | 17:35 |
| apache|mobile | stdin: wouldn't matter much there are quite some "old" packages for kde stuck as well | 17:35 |
| mhb | I don't think that will happen | 17:35 |
| apache|mobile | mhb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/DotKde | 17:35 |
| apache|mobile | happy fiddeling in hardy+1 I wish | 17:35 |
| mhb | apache|mobile: well... I think it's too late to be thinking about a change in KDE3 this big | 17:37 |
| apache|mobile | mhb: what makes you think that? | 17:37 |
| mhb | I would be *very* surprised if people like Tonio_ approved this plan | 17:37 |
| apache|mobile | good lord kwin(22795): Couldn't start knotify from knotify4.desktop: "KDEInit could not launch '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/knotify4'." | 17:38 |
| apache|mobile | mhb: why? | 17:38 |
| mhb | apache|mobile: migrating every user's home directory is tricky, and will surely result in hundreds of broken systems | 17:39 |
| apache|mobile | mhb: so we better beak it in hardy+1? | 17:39 |
| apache|mobile | or letz wait until kde5, then the issue will resolve automagically :P | 17:39 |
| mhb | I'd say so. We're not migrating yet to KDE4 completely, so why should we break systems for the people that want to stay safe for some more time? | 17:40 |
| apache|mobile | because we have to break it at some point | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | or | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | we stick to kde3 | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | also a good solution | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | avoid the breakage | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | anyway | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | mhb: why do you think that would break something? | 17:41 |
| mhb | every minor change in the distro breaks something | 17:41 |
| apache|mobile | hm | 17:42 |
| apache|mobile | in that case | 17:42 |
| apache|mobile | letz stop development | 17:42 |
| mhb | judging by the user's feedback | 17:42 |
| mhb | apache|mobile: how about "break stuff only if you must" | 17:43 |
| mhb | apache|mobile: we have to break a lot of systems that want to migrate from KDE3 to KDE4 with Hardy+1 | 17:43 |
| nixternal | apache|mobile: or you wait for openSUSE to finish their migration assistant if they are still planning on one :) | 17:44 |
| * mhb still hates wizards, frankly | 17:45 | |
| mhb | :o) | 17:45 |
| mhb | the magic ain't what it used to be... | 17:45 |
| apache|mobile_ | nixternal: 50 bucks they do ;-) | 17:45 |
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| mhb | well, with Hardy+1, there will only be one direction - to KDE4. | 17:46 |
| mhb | that means we don't have to do any wizards for people that go KDE3->KDE4, the conf files can be migrated "without them knowing" | 17:46 |
| mhb | in theory | 17:46 |
| * jjesse prefers mages to wizards | 17:46 | |
| apache|mobile_ | mhb: what with kde3 apps? | 17:47 |
| apache|mobile_ | don't they need configs? | 17:47 |
| apache|mobile_ | so at it's best you have to copy to .kde3 or something | 17:47 |
| mhb | apache|mobile_: so your plan would be say "port Amarok conf files only when Amarok2 is installed and Amarok1 is not?" and s/Amarok/any KDE app for every user on the system ? | 17:48 |
| apache|mobile_ | eh? | 17:49 |
| mhb | if we ship Hardy+1 with Amarok1 (KDE3), and suddenly people would want to install Amarok2, then they'd expect their configs to be ported automagically over the minute they install it | 17:49 |
| mhb | same with digikam and just about any app | 17:49 |
| apache|mobile_ | yep | 17:50 |
| apache|mobile_ | but I choose non-broken desktops over that | 17:50 |
| mhb | wait | 17:51 |
| apache|mobile_ | because having kde4 and kde3 both in .kde will so break everything | 17:51 |
| mhb | that's according to your plan | 17:51 |
| mhb | you cannot choose non-brokend desktops over that | 17:51 |
| mhb | you'd ditch your plan :o) | 17:51 |
| apache|mobile_ | -.- | 17:51 |
| apache|mobile_ | mhb: cp -rfa .kde .kde3 start set .kde3 as config dir and check whether anything breaks | 17:52 |
| nixternal | anyone know if transparency can be set correctly in yakuakde-kde4 yet? | 17:52 |
| smarter | nixternal: there was something about transparency in konsole in latest commit digest | 17:54 |
| smarter | I never figured out how to enable transparency in konsole4 nor yakuake :P | 17:54 |
| jjesse | will the kde 4.0 in hard be kde 4.0 or 4.0.x? | 17:54 |
| apache|mobile_ | 4.0.x | 17:55 |
| smarter | jjesse: possible roadmap: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/kde-41-release-team-aims-at-july-2008/ | 17:55 |
| nixternal | konsole-kde4 --enable-transparency <-- smarter | 17:55 |
| nixternal | jjesse: 4.0.x | 17:55 |
| mhb | sebas said something about having a 6-month schedule for KDE | 17:56 |
| smarter | nixternal: I'll try | 17:56 |
| nixternal | looking like 4.0.2 | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | no | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | 9 month schedule | 17:56 |
| mhb | 9? really? | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | yes | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | which is quite cool, because we don't have .0 releases in kubuntu then | 17:56 |
| mhb | "Furthermore, KDE will be releasing a new feature version every 6 months" | 17:56 |
| toma | 6 month | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | hm | 17:56 |
| apache|mobile_ | *shrug* | 17:56 |
| nixternal | Feb: 4.0.1 | Mar: 4.0.2 | Apr: 4.0.3 | May: 4.0.4 | Jun: 4.0.5 | Jul: 4.0.6 | Aug: 4.1.0 | 17:56 |
| * apache|mobile_ read something about 9 | 17:57 | |
| toma | apache|mobile_: typo | 17:57 |
| apache|mobile_ | cool :P | 17:57 |
| apache|mobile_ | anyway, time to get a coffee | 17:57 |
| mhb | I so hope it's not going to be July/January | 17:57 |
| nixternal | time to warm up my cup | 17:57 |
| apache|mobile_ | mhb: why not? | 17:57 |
| mhb | that would be really out-of-sync to us | 17:57 |
| toma | mhb: it is | 17:57 |
| Lure | what do you think about fix for bug 164332: I am leaning for adding simple Suggest for "kontact" package (as Recommend cannot be on universe, right) | 17:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 164332 in kdepim "kontact should suggest or recommend dcoprss" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164332 | 17:57 |
| apache|mobile_ | mhb: that gives us time to test | 17:57 |
| nixternal | jjesse: btw, we have the go-ahead to start pushing docs to trunk/ for KDE | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | and as saied we don't have to ship .0 releases | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | but instead .1 or .2 | 17:58 |
| stdin | nixternal: the support for transparency is in yakuake, but only in base 4.0.1 | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | means we can provide a pretty stable product | 17:58 |
| mhb | true, but I guess users won't be happy too much... we'll see | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | afk | 17:58 |
| toma | mhb: we are one month in front of gnome, that goes in, non? | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | mhb: you're thinking of the wrong users | 17:58 |
| apache|mobile_ | afk2 | 17:58 |
| nixternal | ahh, OK | 17:58 |
| mhb | toma: I guess so. We'll see. | 17:59 |
| toma | ;-) | 17:59 |
| toma | mhb: or you can take the .5/.6 and be super stable | 18:00 |
| Lure | toma: do you see that .x releases will be also monthly after 4.1 (I see 4.0.x more as an exception) | 18:03 |
| toma | Lure: that is the plan | 18:03 |
| Lure | toma: ok, that means lot's of releases (12/year) | 18:04 |
| toma | yep | 18:04 |
| toma | even more if you consider the beta's for 4.1 | 18:04 |
| Lure | toma: kde has brave release team | 18:05 |
| toma | Lure: yes, i'm happy to see a lot of people involved | 18:06 |
| Lure | toma: I like very agressive plan of releases in order to ride the kde 4.0 wave | 18:07 |
| toma | we all do ;-) | 18:08 |
| toma | but i would be against releasing something when it's crap, just because we planned to | 18:08 |
| toma | so don't be surprised to some small tweaks in the schedule | 18:09 |
| ryanakca | !info kubuntu-desktop | 18:10 |
| ubotu | kubuntu-desktop (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu desktop system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.59 (gutsy), package size 16 kB, installed size 44 kB | 18:10 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: ^^ | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | woooohooooo | 18:11 |
| Lure | toma: sure | 18:11 |
| * apachelogger waves over to #amarok for some karma | 18:11 | |
| apachelogger | ryanakca: thanks a lot :) | 18:12 |
| ryanakca | apachelogger: :D | 18:12 |
| smarter | when are we going to make kubuntu-{desktop,default-settings}-kde4 packages? | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | smarter: start writing a list :P | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | currently in kubuntu-desktop || proposed for -kde4 || comments | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | somethng like that | 18:13 |
| smarter | apachelogger: where? | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | smarter: wiki I'd say | 18:14 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: could you add the next kubuntu meeting to the fridge? I asked in fridge-devel a week ago | 18:21 |
| nixternal | yup, date and time? | 18:21 |
| nixternal | never mind | 18:21 |
| nixternal | /topic :p | 18:21 |
| apachelogger | yakuake is in the ppa | 18:21 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: did the ml even get the message? | 18:24 |
| jpatrick | first time I tried sending with alpine | 18:25 |
| nixternal | I didn't see it, but then again I really haven't looked | 18:25 |
| nixternal | just send stuff directly to me via msg | 18:25 |
| jpatrick | ok | 18:25 |
| jpatrick | I'm trying to get rights there ;) | 18:26 |
| nixternal | meeting added | 18:26 |
| nixternal | get rights where? | 18:27 |
| jpatrick | fridge | 18:27 |
| nixternal | what kind of rights? posting rights? | 18:27 |
| jpatrick | yeah, kinda | 18:27 |
| nixternal | feel like writing Ubuntu news stories? :p | 18:28 |
| jpatrick | with a KDE twist :) | 18:28 |
| nixternal | there hasn't been any "Kubuntu" news really | 18:28 |
| nixternal | we might get one articles every 2 months to toss up there...right now it is just nothing more than a place to post UWN | 18:29 |
| nixternal | it has become stale | 18:29 |
| jpatrick | shame :( | 18:29 |
| nixternal | it was good when imbrandon and I took over last year after sabdfl asked us to take over the Fridge | 18:30 |
| nixternal | we even dropped buntudot which was getting more hits than the fridge ever had | 18:30 |
| jpatrick | behindubuntu's dead too | 18:31 |
| nixternal | we even had buntu pod casts | 18:31 |
| nixternal | ya, I like the behindubuntu series | 18:31 |
| nixternal | I read all of the behind* sites out there...I like reading about the lives of the developers | 18:31 |
| crimsun | jpatrick: eh? I thought it just had a new post fairly "recently" | 18:32 |
| \sh | nixternal, if everything goes fine, I'll start with a ubuntu webtv show :) hopefully it works with our flash stuff | 18:32 |
| nixternal | NO FLASH :p | 18:32 |
| nixternal | webtv would be some cool stuff | 18:33 |
| \sh | nixternal, my new company is doing this stuff....the live tv client can include people watching the stream. if they agree to be included into the show and have a webcam attached you can even see those people live | 18:33 |
| \sh | s/see/see and hear/ | 18:34 |
| nixternal | in North America we used to have TechTV years ago on Satellite which was awesome...that got bought out by g4TV and it became nothing but a lame gaming channel, which seems to be heading towards a Spike TV like channel | 18:34 |
| \sh | nixternal, when I saw the product for the first time during my interview, I said directly: guys, if the studio application is running on linux somehow, we push it throughout the FLOSS community... | 18:35 |
| jpatrick | crimsun: Current Interview from behindubuntu.org is from "Interviewed: November 2006" | 18:35 |
| crimsun | jpatrick: oh, I mistook it for behindmotu. | 18:36 |
| crimsun | pfft, who cares about real life anyhow. :-) | 18:36 |
| \sh | crimsun, my wife? | 18:37 |
| crimsun | \sh: of course. :-) | 18:37 |
| nixternal | it is cool seeing where other developers are from, what they enjoy doing and what...learn some neat stuff from reading those behind* series | 18:42 |
| \sh | oh... | 18:43 |
| \sh | nixternal, jump over to germany and come around :) no sleepingbag needed :) | 18:43 |
| \sh | nixternal, you could see it live ;) | 18:43 |
| nixternal | hehe, one of these days I will make my way back to Europe | 18:43 |
| nixternal | probably in the next year or so | 18:43 |
| nixternal | working on reconciliation with my ex-wife, and seeing as she was raised in Europe, she will be down for moving back there I am sure | 18:44 |
| \sh | the life of a MOTU is not funny...sleeping, waking up, going to work, doing some work, going back home, kissing wife, dinner, wife needs attention, wife goes to bed, doing some motu stuff, sleeping... | 18:44 |
| nixternal | hehehe | 18:44 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:45 |
| * apachelogger notes that his life looks all different :P | 18:45 | |
| crimsun | oh, while people are active. | 18:45 |
| * apachelogger runs away | 18:46 | |
| crimsun | will kubuntu 8.04 continue to use alsa via arts? | 18:46 |
| crimsun | I need to know, because this throws a wrench into one piece of ubuntu's pulseaudio migration | 18:46 |
| crimsun | i.e., I can't easily push libao, etc., to use pulse as the default backend | 18:47 |
| jpatrick | crimsun: KDE4 has phonon | 18:47 |
| crimsun | jpatrick: which will go through GSt or xine-lib? | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | kde3 doesn't | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | crimsun: xine I'd say | 18:48 |
| jpatrick | crimsun: xine I believe | 18:48 |
| crimsun | right, I'm not so much concerned about phonon presently, but I need to know for kde3 | 18:48 |
| * apachelogger doens't think we are building gst right now | 18:48 | |
| * apachelogger doesn't think gst is in 4.0 | 18:48 | |
| crimsun | since breaking kde3 at the expense of ubuntu 8.04 isn't an option | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | crimsun: one can't break arts anymore than it is | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | but it's not worth the work to get it work with pulse | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | the code is super awful | 18:50 |
| nixternal | crimsun: KDE 3 will use Arts still | 18:51 |
| crimsun | apachelogger: arts isn't the issue; it's the various libs used by other apps (pidgin, ogg123, xmms, etc.) | 18:51 |
| nixternal | arts is proven, solid, stable, and unmaintained! gotta love it :p | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | but for libungif we have to do a transition because it's unmaintained :P | 18:51 |
| apachelogger | crimsun: so you must love kde4 ;-) | 18:52 |
| crimsun | I love-hate anything doing with computers. | 18:52 |
| * apachelogger has a Komputer :P | 18:53 | |
| \sh | apachelogger, what transition? | 18:54 |
| \sh | apachelogger, most of the stuff is done for ubuntu ;) | 18:54 |
| \sh | mozart-gtk is missing, but you can give it a shot, because I failed badly not knowing anything about the mozart language | 18:55 |
| * \sh likese beethoven much more ,) | 18:55 | |
| jjesse | will the release of 8.04 be the first distro to ship w/ kde4 bydefault or will another distro be out before 8.04 that will include kde4 as default? | 18:55 |
| apachelogger | \sh: I have a bug report in one of the kde4 packages I fiddle in.... so I'm pretty much annoied by that transition :P | 18:55 |
| jpatrick | jjesse: yeah, I think we're the first krazy guys | 18:56 |
| \sh | apachelogger, kdepim foo? | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | probably | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | actually | 18:56 |
| nixternal | jjesse: openSUSE, Debian, Foresight, and I am sure others, but they will be doing like we do, a KDE 3 and a KDE 4 release | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | I need to file an request | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | kdepim has to be thrown out for hardy | 18:56 |
| \sh | apachelogger, I think it just needs a rebuild to catch up with the deps...afaik | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | there is no 4.0.0 | 18:56 |
| apachelogger | \sh: it probably wouldn't even build against 4.0 | 18:57 |
| \sh | hoho..who pushed this package in then? | 18:57 |
| jjesse | but will 8.04 come out before fedora, debian, opensuse etc | 18:57 |
| apachelogger | \sh: all riddells fault :P | 18:57 |
| jjesse | with kde4 by default? | 18:57 |
| nixternal | Foresight will release the month prior to us I think | 18:57 |
| nixternal | but openSUSE has already released 10.3 with KDE 4 | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | didn't we do that as well? | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | I mean a cd? | 18:58 |
| nixternal | ya | 18:58 |
| nixternal | openSUSE and Debian were before us eith the Live CDs I believe | 18:58 |
| nixternal | s/eith/with | 18:58 |
| apachelogger | doesn't matter | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | quality counts | 18:59 |
| jjesse | but that is still 7.10 for us, what i'm wondering is if fedora 8 or whatever version and opensuse 10.4 or whatever come before 8.04 | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | and our kde 4 will rock! | 18:59 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: no doubt | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | even if I have to destroy all my stress balls until then | 18:59 |
| nixternal | hehe | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: ask google :P | 18:59 |
| jjesse | grin :) | 18:59 |
| apachelogger | omg | 19:00 |
| * apachelogger is listening to Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple on Machine Head [Amarok] | 19:00 | |
| apachelogger | wooohooo | 19:00 |
| nixternal | Fedora 9 I don't know about actually, I haven't seen anything from them actually | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:00 |
| nixternal | hell ya, Deep Purple! | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | fedora9 will be post hardy | 19:00 |
| jjesse | and the kde 3 version will be 3.5.8? | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | werewolf is only 2 months old or something | 19:00 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: seems so | 19:01 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: thx | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | there is no schedule for a .0 | 19:01 |
| apachelogger | .9 | 19:01 |
| * jjesse goes back to workiing on ubuntu book | 19:01 | |
| * apachelogger continues freezing | 19:01 | |
| jjesse | apachelogger: what temp is for you? | 19:02 |
| crimsun | ugh. How to get libao transitioned without breaking everything still using alsa directly... | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | dunno, but cold | 19:02 |
| jjesse | in michigan its -5 w/ the wind (farenheight) | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | 12°c maybe | 19:02 |
| apachelogger | in the room that is | 19:02 |
| jjesse | wow turn up the heat | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | I did | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | something is probably broken | 19:03 |
| * apachelogger turns the lights on :D | 19:03 | |
| apachelogger | hmm, low level heating | 19:03 |
| apachelogger | bah | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | I hate apport reports | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | bugg 183772 | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | bug 183772 | 19:04 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 183772 in kdebase-kde4 "package kdebase-data-kde4 4:4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1 failed to install/upgrade: intentando sobreescribir `/usr/lib/kde4/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.FavIcon.xml', que está también en el paquete konqueror-kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183772 | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | not only that I don't understand the message | 19:04 |
| apachelogger | the report doesn't even answer | 19:05 |
| crimsun | I'd guess kdebase-data-kde4 is attempting to overwrite that file that is (formerly) owned by konqueror-kde4 | 19:05 |
| crimsun | a missing C+R | 19:06 |
| apachelogger | konqueror-kde4 still exists | 19:06 |
| * apachelogger is tempting to close that bug as invalid | 19:07 | |
| apachelogger | crimsun: we even asked always to remove the old packages, because we don't support upgrades | 19:08 |
| * apachelogger is listening to Greenfields, Golden Sands by Yusuf Islam on An Other Cup [Amarok] | 19:08 | |
| crimsun | sounds reasonable. | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | hm, with some modifications kdm-kde4 ain't looking that awful | 19:08 |
| apachelogger | still it is causing graphic quirks -.- | 19:09 |
| apachelogger | can someone reproduce bug 183381 | 19:12 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 183381 in kdebase-kde4 "konqueror-kde4 browsing in kde 3.5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183381 | 19:12 |
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| jjesse | do we all have to change our nicknames now? | 19:21 |
| * jjesse is now known as jjjjeessssee | 19:21 | |
| * smarter is now known as mmyy keybbooardd is brooo | 19:22 | |
| ryanakca | eh, I'm going to upgrade my server... on which this irssi, the #ubuntu-trivia bot and the mockup contest rules are stored... wish me luck :) | 19:44 |
| jpatrick | ryanakca: good luck! | 19:47 |
| ryanakca | lol | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 19:47 |
| apachelogger | bug 182749 | 19:47 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 182749 in kdebase-kde4 "konqueror crashes due to KJS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182749 | 19:47 |
| * ryanakca twiddles while rsync runs | 19:48 | |
| apachelogger | ASSERT: "!icon.isEmpty()" in /build/buildd/kdebase-3.5.2/./libkonq/konq_pixmapprovider.cc (81) | 19:48 |
| nixternal | http://www.deviceguru.com/2008/01/17/an-open-letter-to-mark-shuttleworth/ | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | that is like... eh.... awful | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | 3.5.2 | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | that is like.... old | 19:48 |
| nixternal | yay, people who are absolutely clueless when it comes to marketing, operations management, and infrastructure management | 19:48 |
| nixternal | they write crap like that | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | wtf | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | that is dapper | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | did we backport kde4 to dapper? | 19:49 |
| nixternal | heck no | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | hm | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | what to do with that bug report | 19:49 |
| nixternal | I would love to see the report for that one | 19:49 |
| apachelogger | and how did he get it installed anyway | 19:49 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: kwallet in kde4 doesn´t seem to store my passwords for fish and ftp in konqueror - is this a known problem? | 19:50 |
| * ryanakca wonders if it would be more of a safety feature... | 19:51 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: your configs are b0rked | 19:51 |
| apachelogger | saftey++ | 19:51 |
| nixternal | how the hell did he do that in that bug report | 19:51 |
| ryanakca | one password gets compromised and the passwords to 10 other servers get compromised | 19:51 |
| nixternal | !info kdebase dapper | 19:51 |
| ubotu | kdebase (source: kdebase): base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.2-0ubuntu27.3 (dapper), package size 38 kB, installed size 76 kB | 19:51 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: ok will check thx | 19:52 |
| ryanakca | not that the server owner deserves any less if they're running ftp... | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: edgy had .5, so that guy is obviously running dapper | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 19:52 |
| apachelogger | the error appears in /usr/lib/khtml | 19:53 |
| apachelogger | non of my business | 19:53 |
| * apachelogger tosses the bug over to kdebase | 19:53 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: do you have time to try reproducing bug 184379 | 19:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 184379 in kdebase-kde4 "localization in KDE 4 does not work any more" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184379 | 19:55 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: right now no - will do in 30 mins or so | 19:56 |
| Nightrose | is that ok? | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | sure, no hurry | 19:56 |
| Nightrose | k | 19:56 |
| smarter | l10n works here | 19:56 |
| smarter | but I'm not on amd64 | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | IMHO that shouldn't really depend on the arch | 19:57 |
| smarter | maybe a broken build | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | might be | 19:58 |
| * ryanakca bbl | 19:58 | |
| Lure | Tonio_, Riddell: can you sponsor new kdepim snapshot upload? | 20:02 |
| toma | kdepim snapshot? | 20:05 |
| Lure | toma: kdepim-enterprise branch | 20:06 |
| toma | ah kde3 | 20:06 |
| Lure | btw, is keynote video from release-party already online somewhere? | 20:08 |
| * Lure thinks he missed something... | 20:08 | |
| toma | no, they are working on it | 20:08 |
| toma | 15gb | 20:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: will do tomorrow, send me an email please ! | 20:09 |
| Lure | toma: ok | 20:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I have friends at home so I'm not available | 20:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: thanks, enjoy time with your friends | 20:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: thanks :) | 20:10 |
| blueyed | Are there ppas with kde4 builds from svn? | 20:15 |
| nixternal | nope | 20:16 |
| nosrednaekim | blueyed: I don't think so | 20:16 |
| blueyed | I've thought I've heard so.. might be a good idea, wouldn't it? | 20:17 |
| mhb | I wonder when they make the panel movable and resizable like sebas promised :o) | 20:17 |
| blueyed | Are the fonts on http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/b/boinc/boinc_5.10.30-4/changelog broken for you, too? | 20:17 |
| nixternal | 23 Jan 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 23 Jan 22:30 UTC: Forum elkbuntu Council | 23 Jan 23:00 UTC: Kubuntu Developers | 20:17 |
| nixternal | ^^ that means we need to reschedule or change the time of our meeting | 20:17 |
| mhb | from the UI, that is. | 20:17 |
| nixternal | or we just have the meeting in here | 20:18 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ <- says LTS, could you have it edited? | 20:18 |
| blueyed | mhb: that appears to happen in 4.1, I could imagine.. but I'd wish I'm wrong.. | 20:20 |
| mhb | ", so early adopting users won't need to wait until July for some sorely missing features (resizing, moving panel, anyone?!)" | 20:22 |
| mhb | so I guess earlier, I can't wait :o) | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | mhb: you ever wondered why we have so many package updates for kde4? :P | 20:22 |
| * Lure does svn switch back to trunk, no excitement in 4.0.x anymore... ;-) | 20:24 | |
| apachelogger | lol | 20:27 |
| Lure | apachelogger: you are anyway put most of it into kubuntu packages, so no difference ;-) | 20:28 |
| apachelogger | true ^_^ | 20:29 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I will use kubuntu kde4 packages now as fall-back from svn, so do not break it ;-) | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | d'oh | 20:29 |
| * apachelogger always is looking forward to the next break :| | 20:29 | |
| nixternal | I'm not | 20:29 |
| nixternal | I depend on KDE 4 :) | 20:29 |
| nosrednaekim | :) | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | me too :P | 20:29 |
| apachelogger | still a breakage is always a nice thing to have, makes my heart beat faster | 20:30 |
| Lure | apachelogger: particualrly if you have caused it | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 20:30 |
| Lure | thinking about all that people yelling your name all around the world ;-) | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | considering I am the one who is uploading stdin's and my stuff, it's mostly me | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | Lure: never thought about it that way | 20:31 |
| apachelogger | like it :D | 20:31 |
| Lure | btw, is stdin planning for motu soon? | 20:32 |
| nosrednaekim | hehe... doubt he would have any problems :) | 20:32 |
| apachelogger | stdin: did you package a pure debhelper package yet? | 20:32 |
| stdin | apachelogger: I have done, but recently it's been mostly cdbs. I understand debhelper more though | 20:33 |
| stdin | if I can see the whole rules file in one go, I can understand the process more | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | stdin: you have my support for motu then | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | after all, you're breaking kde4 less often then me :P | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | *than | 20:34 |
| stdin | it's because I'm afraid of being hit with hobbsee's "clue stick" :p | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | something to be afraid of, indeed | 20:35 |
| jpatrick | stdin: nothing compared to TechBoard | 20:35 |
| smarter | is there any cool thing to package/update? :} | 20:35 |
| ScottK | Anyone here with Edgy or Feisty Kubuntu installs that can do a quick test for me? | 20:36 |
| stdin | jpatrick: what? there's something more fearsome that hobbsee in the word?! maybe I should consider becoming a hobbit | 20:36 |
| Lure | ScottK: just strange guys with kde4-svn ;-) | 20:36 |
| ScottK | FIgured. | 20:37 |
| jpatrick | stdin: lucky one doesn't have to go though TB nowadays | 20:37 |
| Lure | ScottK: did you try #kubuntu? | 20:37 |
| Lure | ScottK: sometimes users like to help... | 20:37 |
| ScottK | Lure: No. Good point. | 20:37 |
| * ScottK generally avoids the user channels | 20:37 | |
| * apachelogger doesn't like users either :P | 20:37 | |
| jpatrick | ScottK: #kubuntu-testers full of guinea pigs | 20:37 |
| Lure | ScottK: me to, but they have helped me couple of times in similar cases | 20:37 |
| Lure | ScottK: and mhb arranged quite some testers in past | 20:38 |
| ScottK | Thanks. I'll try -testers first. | 20:38 |
| nosrednaekim | ScottK: I have one on the other computer | 20:38 |
| ScottK | Yes | 20:38 |
| ScottK | nosrednaekim: Is this other computer available? | 20:38 |
| nosrednaekim | yep.... 32 bit... but I really can't DL anything | 20:38 |
| nosrednaekim | (its fiesty) | 20:39 |
| ScottK | You can't download from a PPA? | 20:39 |
| nosrednaekim | well, nothing big... I hve dial-up | 20:39 |
| ScottK | Ah. You don't want to do this then. | 20:40 |
| ScottK | Thanks for offering thoug. A new clamav (~15 MB) is part of the deal. | 20:40 |
| nosrednaekim | that would take a little over a hour and a half, you sure? | 20:40 |
| ScottK | Let me see if I can find someone in Kubunt or Kubuntu-testers | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | yummy | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | contributor comments on revu | 20:41 |
| apachelogger | very smooth | 20:41 |
| cheguevara | hi | 20:42 |
| jpatrick | cheguevara: wb | 20:43 |
| nixternal | who, el che is back out of hiding! :) | 20:44 |
| nixternal | err, whoa, not who | 20:44 |
| jpatrick | and it's iRon :D | 20:45 |
| iRon | hi all :) | 20:45 |
| jpatrick | and danimo: hi | 20:45 |
| danimo | heya! | 20:46 |
| danimo | apachelogger: are there amarok 2.0 pre packages yet? | 20:46 |
| jpatrick | :) | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | danimo: technically yes | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | but | 20:47 |
| smarter | danimo: amarok2 is not worth it atm | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | we will roll tech preview 1 soon | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | and this will end up in the ppa | 20:48 |
| apachelogger | smarter, jpatrick, nixternal, stdin: btw, the decision was 4/1 for an inclusion in ppa | 20:49 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: I'm the only one that said yes? | 20:49 |
| apachelogger | s/for an inclusion/in favor of an inclusion | 20:50 |
| apachelogger | i.e. 4 yes and 1 no :P | 20:51 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: honey now I have some time to check that bug ;-) is it save to install kdm-kde4? I remembered it having some problems | 20:51 |
| apachelogger | without me taking a vote at all | 20:51 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: pretty much | 20:51 |
| Nightrose | k | 20:51 |
| stdin | apachelogger: did you try ubuntu8 yet? | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | stdin: nope | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | will do | 20:53 |
| apachelogger | after I got something to eat | 20:53 |
| cheguevara | hi jpatrick hi apachelogger :P | 20:54 |
| stdin | oh well, I've waited 4 hours, what's a little longer :p | 20:54 |
| cheguevara | hows it going | 20:54 |
| cheguevara | nixternal, s/hiding/lack of internet | 20:55 |
| cheguevara | :P | 20:55 |
| apachelogger | stdin: lol | 20:57 |
| === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian | ||
| Nightrose | apachelogger: seems to get into an endless loop here when changing language to german in the system settings | 21:06 |
| Nightrose | it goes to 90% and starts a t 0 again | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | 3 loop now | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | 3rd | 21:07 |
| Nightrose | 4th | 21:08 |
| Nightrose | I am going to cancel it | 21:08 |
| apachelogger | mhhh | 21:08 |
| apachelogger | kdm-kde4 is totally b0rked | 21:08 |
| apachelogger | stdin: doesn't work for me | 21:11 |
| stdin | apachelogger: what bit? | 21:11 |
| apachelogger | stdin: the pid bit | 21:17 |
| stdin | apachelogger: is it at least using /var/run/kdm-kde4.pid ? | 21:18 |
| Lure | apachelogger: did you change config file? | 21:18 |
| apachelogger | stdin: can't say, I'll do some investigetion on that stuff anyway now, so don't worry | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | Lure: which config? | 21:19 |
| Lure | apachelogger: I think there are some entries for log and pid files in kdm config file | 21:19 |
| stdin | apachelogger: you may have to reconfigure kdm-kde4, the path for default-display-manager has changed | 21:19 |
| apachelogger | hm | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | stdin: uses the right pid | 21:20 |
| apachelogger | so there might be some problem at creation | 21:20 |
| stdin | apachelogger: it also checks that /proc/<pid>/exec contains the $DAEMON name before it'll try to kill it | 21:21 |
| apachelogger | stdin: there are quite some paths wrong | 21:41 |
| blizzzek | gn8 | 21:52 |
| nosrednaekim | is there a meeting in 5 minutes? | 21:55 |
| jpatrick | nosrednaekim: no | 21:56 |
| nosrednaekim | my UTC translator is off.. sorry ;) | 21:56 |
| jpatrick | it's next week wednesday 23:00 UTC | 21:57 |
| nosrednaekim | what was I thinking.... sorry | 21:57 |
| jpatrick | no prob... | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | stdin: I think you b0rked kdm even more :P | 22:07 |
| stdin | I'm working on it | 22:07 |
| Tm_T | haha | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | stdin: me too | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | that is redundant | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: mom, tell him | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:09 |
| stdin | Tm_T: tell the bully to stop picking on me | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | stdin: stop working | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | I fixed it | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | genkdmconfig-kde4 was the problem | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | native version works | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | god I hate those scripts | 22:09 |
| apachelogger | god I hate those X killers | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | cool | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | now it's broken again | 22:11 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 22:11 |
| * apachelogger kicks kdm | 22:11 | |
| Tm_T | stdin: welcome back, my young padawan | 22:14 |
| stdin | hmm, kdm-kde4 seems to work for me :) | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | you are just as b0rked as kdm :P | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | Tm_T: mom, I don't wanna do that anymore | 22:15 |
| nixternal | no doubt | 22:15 |
| * apachelogger should have become a ballet dancer :S | 22:15 | |
| nixternal | kdm-kde4 gave me the error "quit smoking crack dummy! it ain't gonna work!" | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | oh well | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | here it goes | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | we has a config error | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | omg | 22:15 |
| apachelogger | 50 bucks, debian is responsible :P | 22:16 |
| stdin | apachelogger: all it needed was "dpkg-reconfigure kdm-kde4" to set /var/lib/kde4/bin/kdm as the default and it all went swimmingly | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | stdin: well, yes, basically, but under the hood are edges, too many edges | 22:16 |
| stdin | debian is always responsible, that's what's so good about being downstream :p | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | and these edges will cost us 500 bugs at the time | 22:16 |
| apachelogger | stdin: we shouldn't be... most kde4 packages probably have 90% changes compared to the debian ones ;-) | 22:17 |
| stdin | not kdm, kdm is all their fault. that's my story anyway | 22:17 |
| stdin | editing patches in nano is fun though | 22:18 |
| jpatrick | vim! | 22:18 |
| stdin | I don't do vim | 22:18 |
| stdin | not since many years ago when I tried editing a file and had to hard reboot because I couldn't figure out how to exit the damn thing | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | vim! | 22:19 |
| apachelogger | lol | 22:20 |
| jpatrick | stdin: :q! | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | rebootin | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | yummy | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | well | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | here is tha story | 22:20 |
| stdin | jpatrick: I know *now*, but didn't then :p | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | stdin: kdmrc overrides the pid setting | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | question is just | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | does it do that by default | 22:20 |
| apachelogger | or just because of some debian patch | 22:20 |
| stdin | apachelogger: yes, that's why I added the patch for it | 22:20 |
| jpatrick | stdin: hehe | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | so | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | hmmm | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | note: never apply patches when eating | 22:21 |
| apachelogger | why dit that patch not get in? | 22:21 |
| stdin | apachelogger: should do, it's the 2nd bit of 07_kdmrc_defaults.diff | 22:21 |
| stdin | "@@ -873,9 +873,9 @@" is mine | 22:22 |
| apachelogger | yeah, I applied it manually now | 22:23 |
| * apachelogger kicks patch | 22:23 | |
| apachelogger | the more I use that app the more I hate it | 22:23 |
| stdin | and /etc/X11/default-display-manager needs to be the same as $DAEMON which needs to *not* be the wrapper script, as the init script checks /proc/<pid>/cmdline (which will be the real path) | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 22:24 |
| stdin | so I thought "either I rewrite the init script, or change /etc/X11/default-display-manager", so I changed /etc/X11/default-display-manager :) | 22:25 |
| apachelogger | good point :P | 22:25 |
| stdin | the good thing is that because all the kdelibs have -rpath we don't actually need wrapper scripts :p | 22:26 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 22:27 |
| Lure | stdin: we should move script kdm-kde4 script wraper directly in /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | now | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | rpath ftw! | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | letz use rpath all over the place | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | screw the policies | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | Lure: we don't use kdm-kde4 | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | actually we should kick it from the package | 22:28 |
| stdin | all it would take is one extra line in the init script if we took off rpath anyway | 22:28 |
| Lure | apachelogger: ok, just recalls this from time back... | 22:29 |
| nixternal | Nightrose: @ the guy in the IRC channel (you know who you are): For gods sake check if the person you are talking about is in the channel. Your comments were way off. | 22:29 |
| nixternal | I am sorry :p | 22:29 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: thx - I think i got it off my chest now with that blog ;-) | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | don't get thatone | 22:30 |
| nixternal | I am going to borrow from your presentation :) | 22:30 |
| * apachelogger notes that he isn't uptodate | 22:30 | |
| Nightrose | nixternal: sure - which ine? | 22:30 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: I figure since I spout off so much, it was me :p | 22:30 |
| nixternal | the KDE 4 one | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | *head scratching* | 22:31 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: hehe yea that was by inge wallin - thank him ;-) there is more stuff in his presentation as I wrote - but I had to kick some slides as I had only around 15 minutes to talk | 22:31 |
| Nightrose | :/ | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: actually sebas made it I think :P | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | but as saied I'm out-of-date | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | completely | 22:32 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: might be but inge´s mail sounded like he did | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | social, technical, even pornographical | 22:32 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: as if you wouldn't do the same :P | 22:32 |
| * Nightrose cuddles the out-of-date-apachelogger :P | 22:33 | |
| Nightrose | hehe no I would not | 22:33 |
| Nightrose | why would I? | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | -.- | 22:33 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: in Nightrose's last blog post, she said the "@ the guy in the IRC channel" bit, and I assumed out of fun it was me, unless it was me :) | 22:34 |
| nixternal | does that help clarify the above statements at all? | 22:34 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 22:34 |
| apachelogger | a little | 22:35 |
| nixternal | I was making a funny, hopefully not about myself | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | that wouldn't be the first time, would it? | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | hm | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | so | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | now I b0rked kdm-kde4 | 22:35 |
| apachelogger | completely | 22:35 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: hehe I assume you did not fly over to stuttgart yesterday? if so it was not you since that jerk was in the audience | 22:36 |
| apachelogger | ah | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | jerk talk | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: was he at least hot? | 22:37 |
| apachelogger | or such an ugly nerd? | 22:37 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: dunno - don´t know which one of them he was | 22:37 |
| Nightrose | but I assume he was fat and ugly | 22:37 |
| Nightrose | :P | 22:37 |
| Nightrose | and smelly | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | cool | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | so | 22:38 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: did you get a killer already? | 22:38 |
| Nightrose | *g* nope - should I? | 22:39 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: course | 22:39 |
| Nightrose | hmmm /me calls | 22:39 |
| Nightrose | what do I ask the killer to do apachelogger? | 22:40 |
| apachelogger | well, what killers usually do :P | 22:40 |
| smarter | apachelogger: who cares about kdm-kde4? :P | 22:40 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: I see.. :P | 22:41 |
| smarter | it's ugly and does nothing more than the kde3 version | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | smarter: well, for the kde4 hardy we will use it | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | also as a motu I can't stand such useless b0rked packages | 22:42 |
| toma | smarter: with that argument, you can kill plasma and use kicker | 22:42 |
| smarter | plasma does cool things | 22:42 |
| Nightrose | indeed | 22:42 |
| smarter | kdm does what a dm does | 22:42 |
| smarter | are the kdm3 themes compatible with kdm4? | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | probably | 22:42 |
| smarter | so that at least we get something decent | 22:42 |
| smarter | time to create a kubuntu-default-settings-kde4 :} | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | nope | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | first we need kubuntu-desktop-kde4 :P | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | and properly packages all over the place | 22:43 |
| jpatrick | TODO: disable KTip KDE 4 | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | before I wouldn't even think to think about thinking about a default-settings | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | indeed | 22:43 |
| iRon | apachelogger: I need working kdm-kde4 to implement bulletproof-x for it.. so I could help you with it ;) | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | smarter, jpatrick: we could start off a todo | 22:43 |
| apachelogger | in the wiki | 22:44 |
| smarter | things I think we should put in k-d-kde4: kwallet, kmix | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | <-- wiki addicted | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | yay | 22:44 |
| jpatrick | apachelogger: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo <- needs love | 22:44 |
| smarter | wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/KDE4MetaPackages ? :] | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | iRon: well, stdin already did a lot, so the package isn't far from done | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | just need to change the default settings for a bit, they make my eyes bleed | 22:44 |
| apachelogger | stdin: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo <- needs love | 22:45 |
| smarter | can I put random idea for the k-d-kde4 package in Kubuntu/Todo ? :P | 22:45 |
| apachelogger | for not that shouldn't be problem I think | 22:46 |
| iRon | Btw, i've found how to implement "User Hard Disk Mounting" in KDE4. Do we need this for KDE4? | 22:46 |
| apachelogger | smarter: just make it clear the ideas are for k-d-kde4 ;-) | 22:46 |
| * blueyed has a dejavu re: Kubuntu/Todo | 22:47 | |
| * apachelogger is listening to White Room by Eric Clapton on Complete Clapton [Amarok] | 22:48 | |
| apachelogger | omg | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | there is a 30000 inches big issue in kdm-kde4 | 22:49 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: so where can I find this guy? | 22:52 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger: no idea since he used a random nick :( | 22:52 |
| Nightrose | but I think for him knowing that I read what he wrote will be embarassing enough ;-) | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | don't be so sure | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: I wanna read as well | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | hm, omg bug 184434 | 22:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 184434 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.0 panel & App. Launcher freak out when running Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184434 | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | rofl | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | now that is what one gets for using firefox | 22:53 |
| apachelogger | I luve KDE :D | 22:53 |
| * Nightrose is listening to Cry by Rihanna on Good Girl Gone Bad [Amarok] | 22:53 | |
| * Nightrose searches for apachelogger mind | 22:58 | |
| Nightrose | don´t loose it again honey! | 22:59 |
| Nightrose | +`s | 22:59 |
| * apachelogger is grumpy now | 22:59 | |
| Nightrose | ? | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | why does this always happen to me | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | stupid mind | 22:59 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 22:59 |
| * apachelogger throws stress balls around | 22:59 | |
| apachelogger | bah | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | I talk a stress ball for a walk | 22:59 |
| apachelogger | *take even | 23:00 |
| Nightrose | talk might helo as well ;-) | 23:00 |
| Nightrose | *hep | 23:00 |
| Nightrose | meh help | 23:00 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| apachelogger | lol | 23:25 |
| apachelogger | stdin: why do we have the wrapper scripts at all? ;-) | 23:26 |
| * stdin thinks of a reason... | 23:26 | |
| stdin | to run KDE 4 apps in a KDE 3 session when you haven't set the KDE 4 $PATH | 23:27 |
| stdin | there, that's one reason | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | stdin: debian/links? | 23:27 |
| apachelogger | less work, less build time sucking, less of everything, more transparency :P | 23:27 |
| stdin | well some things will need the right $PATH, kfmclient4 for instance | 23:28 |
| stdin | other than that, links would work just as well | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | hm | 23:28 |
| apachelogger | I think kfmclient4 is really the only | 23:28 |
| stdin | I haven't seen anything else that needs it, no | 23:29 |
| * apachelogger now is also totally in love with rpath | 23:29 | |
| stdin | so /usr/bin/kfmclient4 can be a script that just sets the PATH then runs '/usr/lib/kde4/bin/kfmclient4 "$@"', the rest should just magically work | 23:31 |
| apachelogger | yeah | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | stdin: do you want it to my Apps4for3 propsal, or should I do? | 23:34 |
| apachelogger | +add somewhere | 23:34 |
| stdin | you can, I'm trying to fix something that's bugging me | 23:36 |
| stdin | I can't get X11 forwarding to work on one host, even though it used to and the configs are the same here and there | 23:37 |
| stdin | and ssh -vvv isn't telling me a thing, so I'm looking at raw TCP packets :p | 23:37 |
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