[00:00] <nosrednaekim> miladen: are you using konversation?
[00:00] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, you install the programs directly from the internet
[00:00] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, for example, apt-get takes the files from here: http://mx.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[00:00] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, these are called repositories
[00:00] <miladen> yes Konversation
[00:01] <nosrednaekim> miladen: settings->configure notifications
[00:01] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, the more repositories, the more software you can install..  you can configure these repositories in your sources.list file (exact location: /etc/apt/sources.list)
[00:01] <jorge__> hola
[00:01] <miladen> ok wait, try writing my name again
[00:02] <jorge__> ¿alguien habla español'
[00:02] <miladen> some1 write my name :D
[00:02] <jorge__> necesito ayuda
[00:03] <jorge__> i need help
[00:03] <sven_oostenbrink> !es | jorge__
[00:03] <ubotu> jorge__: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:03] <sven_oostenbrink> jorge__, Si quieres ayuda aqui, tienes que hablar ingles, perdon...
[00:03] <jorge__> gracias
[00:03] <sven_oostenbrink> jorge__, youre welcome
[00:03] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: where is there a list of repositories?
[00:04] <miladen> so the more repositories= the more packages in adept
[00:04] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, I could send you my list.. its not 100% perfect (will give a number of warnings about repositories not existing anymore) but it works well
[00:04] <nosrednaekim> miladen: there is an indefinate number of repositories... anyone can make one
[00:04] <sourcemaker> well, my question is offt-topic.... but maybe someone can answer them:  how can I convert openoffice master documents to PDF in batch mode?
[00:04] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, more or less.. repositories should not cause incompatibilities.. but the ones I have work good
[00:04] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: isnt it irritating that you get an error message everytime u use adept
[00:04] <egork> jorge: yo hablo un poco.
[00:05] <tekteen> sourcemaker: I use macros for that
[00:05] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, no, you wont get errors every time.. just once during hte update you will see some warnings
[00:05] <sourcemaker> tekteen: are this offical macros from OO?
[00:05] <sven_oostenbrink> you backup the sources.list, put the new one there, then you HAVE to run " sudo apt-get update" wait for it to finish, and then you enjoy the new packages
[00:06] <tekteen> sourcemaker: no
[00:06] <tekteen> sourcemaker: there are guides online
[00:06] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: how can i get your list then? :)
[00:06] <penol> when i type apt-get install kde4-core i got this error = http://www.pastebin.no/3142
[00:06] <sourcemaker> tekteen: ok.. thanks
[00:07] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, check this:   http://rafb.net/p/N7KAZM28.html
[00:07] <sven_oostenbrink> put the contents of that in /etc/apt/sources.list
[00:07] <miladen> how do i do that? :S
[00:07] <miladen> just windows style?
[00:08] <nosrednaekim> miladen: erase whats in it, and paste that :)
[00:09] <nosrednaekim> miladen: and open it with root of course, like "kdesudo kate /etc/sources.list"
[00:13] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: doesnt work, when i do kdesudo kate etc/apt/sources.list it just shows up as a blank docu
[00:13] <miladen> ok
[00:13] <miladen> solved :)
[00:13] <miladen> ./etc/apt/sources.list
[00:15] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: ok done, what now?
[00:16] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: There are just as many packages available as befor
[00:16] <tekteen> miladen: did you update the repos?
[00:17] <miladen> no
[00:17] <tekteen> miladen: in the konsole type: sudo apt-get update
[00:17] <tekteen> miladen: with adept closed
[00:17] <miladen> i know, im doin it
[00:17] <miladen> didnt think befor :)
[00:18] <tekteen> miladen: what are you doing? I was not here.
[00:18] <miladen> updating my repository :)
[00:18] <tekteen> miladen: what is your goal here?
[00:18] <tekteen> :-)
[00:18] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: Thanks a lot dude :) do you know if i can find a "php repository"?
[00:19] <kijutsu> I'm attempting to mount an XFS drive from another system to recover approximately 6 gig from a 750 gig hard drive.  I keep getting a segmentation fault from xfs_check and a 'cannot read realtime bitmap inode (22)" error.  I'm not sure what the crap is going on, can anyone help?
[00:19] <blizzzek> gn8
[00:20] <miladen> tekteen: you follow? :)
[00:21]  * tekteen is confused
[00:22] <applehypnosis> miladen: there are php/php module packages in the ubuntu respositories, if that's what you mean
[00:22] <tekteen> applehypnosis: I think he wants programs coded in php
[00:22] <miladen> I shouldnt download GNOME stuff when im running kubuntu right?
[00:23] <tekteen> miladen: u can
[00:23] <tekteen> miladen: they just boot up slower
[00:23] <CadaverPimp> What would stop a splash screen from showing up?
[00:23] <CadaverPimp> When I boot, it only shows a blank screen
[00:23] <CadaverPimp> Whoa...
[00:23] <draik> Better
[00:23] <miladen> i need a "color scheme" so i can easily find colorcodes
[00:24] <tekteen> miladen: for html?
[00:24] <miladen> yea
[00:24] <miladen> (css)
[00:24] <tekteen> miladen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_colors
[00:24] <biovore> draik: you running amd 64?
[00:25] <miladen> tekteen what? i mean a package
[00:25] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, you can run gnome stuff on kde, no problem, but it IS less efficient, because you will be loading extra gnome libraries.. so if you can, use KDE only stuff, but if there is no alternative, no problem, just install it and use it
[00:25] <draik> miladen: http://www.immigration-usa.com/html_colors.html
[00:25] <draik> biovore: No
[00:25] <draik> biovore: Intel p4 2.0GHz
[00:25] <tekteen> miladen: I do not under stand the question
[00:25] <miladen> lol guys: i want a palette
[00:26] <tekteen> miladen: wikipedia has one
[00:26] <miladen> I know HTML colors :) i want the colorpalette, you know where I click a place and it tells me the color
[00:26] <draik> miladen: I gave you a complete list
[00:26] <miladen> nevermind guys :) i know wikipedia has one, i was just asking if such a package existed
[00:26] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, I dunno if there is such a thing as a php repository but it can.. Check google.. You can install PHP and lots of php related material from the standard repos though anyway
[00:27] <draik> biovore: It's an oldie laptop
[00:28] <miladen> sven_oostenbrink: Adept is really slow now :S
[00:31] <miladen> HERE IT WAS: kColorEdit
[00:33] <achilles> hi, what software do you guys recommend for creating websites?
[00:33] <nhowell> notepad
[00:33] <tekteen> achilles: kate :-)
[00:33] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, did you do an apt-get update after the new sources.list
[00:33] <nhowell> rofl
[00:33] <achilles> with a gui:P
[00:33] <tekteen> achilles: I hear NVU is good
[00:33] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, and please, tell me you made a backup of the original sources.list in case you want to go back? :)
[00:34] <sven_oostenbrink> miladen, anyway.. its not slow here, no problems iwth it
[00:34] <achilles> is it likea dreamweaver?
[00:34] <miladen> yes i did :)(
[00:34] <tekteen> achilles: it is by mozilla
[00:34] <tekteen> achilles: I know nothing about is
[00:34] <miladen> achilles download Windows XP, then throw it out and use Kate :)
[00:34] <nhowell> Im getting an error with an update I wanted to ask about
[00:35] <tekteen> !ask | nhowell
[00:35] <ubotu> nhowell: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[00:36] <nhowell> nevermind.  they must have fixed it recently. sry for the bother.  How is everyone today?
[00:36] <tekteen> ok
[00:37] <nhowell> it was xserver-xorg-core erroring out on the package upgrade install
[00:37] <nhowell> but I just tried it again and it worked fine.
[00:38] <draik> biovore: Got anything with the splash screen?
[00:38] <Odd-rationale> What was this probelm with the xorg package, anyways. I just heard about it and don't know what was the matter.
[00:39] <U238Willy> achilles, NVU now goes by Kompozer
[00:40] <achilles_> thanks i will try nvu
[00:40] <U238Willy> Quanta+ is another gui web design program
[00:40] <achilles_> thanks :)
[00:40] <nhowell> Odd:  I came in this morning to find the adept-updater alerting me of some package upgrades.  All of them ran in fine, but xserver-xorg-core errored out.  Tried it again, errored.  Restarted X, errored.  So once things piped down for the day, I thought I'd drop in and ask you guys.  As I was asking, I ran the updater again, and it worked fine.  They must have updated the package throughout the day.
[00:40] <U238Willy> NVU has stopped devel.. the project continues under the new name.
[00:41] <achilles_> oh
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> nhowell: I just saw the topic today. Then I ran an update and everything was fine.
[00:41] <Odd-rationale> But what was the problem in the first place?
[00:42] <nhowell> Still looking into that myself
[00:42] <achilles_> quanta says its to work with html  but can you creat wiith out coding?
[00:42] <andy_> hey guys i just installed kubuntu and im having an adept package manager error when i try to update
[00:42] <Odd-rationale> See you guys later!
[00:42] <tekteen> andy_: what happens?
[00:43] <andy_> basically when i go to install anything it says that there is another application using the adept
[00:43] <miladen> !fixkate
[00:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fixkate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[00:43] <miladen> !kate
[00:43] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[00:43] <andy_> ill get you specifics
[00:43] <miladen> !code
[00:43] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[00:43] <tekteen> andy_: restart and it should work
[00:43] <andy_> signal 6 crash
[00:43] <tekteen> ok
[00:43] <andy_> ok
[00:43] <tekteen> nm
[00:44] <tekteen> !adeptfix
[00:44] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:45] <tekteen> !adeptfix | andy_
[00:45] <ubotu> andy_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:45] <andy_> ok i just sent that string through
[00:46] <andy_> seems to work now
[00:46] <tekteen> andy_: ok
[00:46] <achilles_> i want to start programming but what language should i learn first theres so many:P
[00:46] <tekteen> achilles_: python or C++
[00:46] <U238Willy> that's a loaded question
[00:47] <biovore> I vote for lolcode.. its awsome.. :-P
[00:47] <achilles_> linus says c++ sucks:P
[00:47] <tekteen> achilles_: python is a scripting language
[00:47] <U238Willy> starting out.. i'd go for python as well..
[00:47] <U238Willy> or ruby
[00:47] <tekteen> achilles_: and works with QT
[00:47] <tekteen> Which means it works on windows and linux
[00:47] <andy_> seems to work now
[00:47] <andy_> thanks a lot
[00:47] <achilles_> oh nice:)
[00:48] <tekteen> andy_: np
[00:48] <achilles_> i think theres some python books in my schools library
[00:48] <tekteen> achilles_: how old are you?
[00:48] <achilles_> ill try it out:P
[00:48] <achilles_> 19
[00:48] <tekteen> achilles_: I am 15
[00:48] <achilles_> why?:P
[00:48] <nhowell> I have an update on the xserver problem if anyone is interested.
[00:49] <Strangelet> 14 here! :D
[00:49] <U238Willy> but if web stuff is your thing.. you might want to look into php
[00:49] <tekteen> Strangelet: Just turned 15
[00:49] <achilles_> lol
[00:49] <Strangelet> tekteen: happy birthday! :D
[00:49] <tekteen> ty
[00:49] <Strangelet> np :P
[00:49] <achilles_> i want to  make my own softwre
[00:49] <achilles_> ware
[00:50] <tekteen> achilles_: then python is the way to
[00:50] <tekteen> go
[00:50] <achilles_> yeah :)
[00:50] <tekteen> achilles_: but you can not protect the source
[00:51] <achilles_> :P
[00:51] <tekteen> achilles_: it has to be open source (which is not such a bad thing)
[00:51] <achilles_> i know:)
[00:51] <achilles_> you mean that python has to be open source?
[00:52] <tekteen> achilles_: python is a scripting lang.
[00:52] <achilles_> but anything you do with it has to be open source?
[00:52] <tekteen> achilles_: you send the source and on run time it compiles is
[00:52] <achilles_> oh
[00:52] <tekteen> achilles_: that is what a scripting lang is. :-D
[00:53] <achilles_> interesting
[00:53] <tekteen> achilles_: scripts run slower. but are good for applications since the libs are all c++
[00:53] <achilles_> and what is C  what type is it
[00:54] <tekteen> achilles_: compiled
[00:54] <tekteen> achilles_: but harder to work with
[00:54] <achilles_> so you can only have binary with it?
[00:54] <tekteen> achilles_: it is also much faster
[00:54] <achilles_> not open?
[00:54] <tekteen> achilles_: yes
[00:54] <achilles_> ok im getting the hung of it:P
[00:55] <tekteen> that is what compiled means :-)
[00:55] <tekteen> achilles_: lets continue in #kubuntu-offtopic
[00:55] <achilles_> comiple is the process of translating source to binary right?
[00:55] <tekteen> achilles_: yes
[00:55] <tekteen> lets not flood the channel
[00:55] <achilles_> yeah sorry :P
[00:55] <tekteen> ... More :-)
[00:56] <family> hey guys im trying to ics my eth0 and wlan0 cards this is how i did it but its not working http://www.pastebin.ca/861900
[00:58] <mixed> how do i install xfce using apt get?
[00:58] <sven_oostenbrink> mixed, try adept manager from the menu.. search for xfce
[00:58] <tekteen> for the full desktop
[00:58] <tekteen> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[00:59] <sven_oostenbrink> mixed, what tekteen says
[00:59] <mixed> tekteen and sven, thanks!  do you know if I can run Quake III on xfce?
[00:59] <Strangelet> I would like to learn about how Ubuntu and Linux works, could you recommend me a good source of information?
[00:59] <miladen> any1 know about a nice cell phone with a linux OS?
[00:59] <Strangelet> :D
[01:01] <Strangelet> did I kill the conversations? :(
[01:02] <tekteen> Strangelet: i suggest you first learn the command line
[01:02] <Strangelet> hmm, how I do that? :D
[01:03] <tekteen> Strangelet: by your age I had mastered command line scripting :-)
[01:03] <Strangelet> cheater :\
[01:03] <Strangelet> XD
[01:03] <tekteen> Strangelet: open a konsole and type
[01:03] <tekteen> Strangelet: man man
[01:03] <Strangelet> oooh!
[01:03] <biovore> miladen: openmoko..
[01:03] <tekteen> Strangelet: that will give you a manual on how to use the manuals
[01:04] <miladen> yeah im looking in to it, but its still in developer ed ition biovore
[01:04] <Strangelet> hooray (?)
[01:04] <Strangelet> tekteen: So, once I finiish the manual, what do I do next?
[01:04] <tekteen> Strangelet: http://www.downloadsquad.com/2008/01/17/flipping-the-linux-switch-new-users-guide-to-the-terminal/
[01:05] <tekteen> !bash
[01:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[01:05] <tekteen> also use the link above ^
[01:05] <Strangelet> ooh!
[01:05] <Strangelet> thanks :)
[01:05] <family> anyone with ics experience? http://www.pastebin.ca/861900
[01:06] <yao_ziyuan> kde 4 is out...
[01:06] <applehypnosis> =]
[01:06] <yao_ziyuan> how large is kubuntu-desktop?
[01:06] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu doesn't support east asian input methods very well. i want to download ubuntu + kubuntu-desktop
[01:07] <yao_ziyuan> it is said this way would solve it
[01:07] <yao_ziyuan> my Adept Manager is downloading the latest files from ppa.launchpad.net
[01:07] <Strangelet> what ARE the benefits of using KDE 4?
[01:07] <yao_ziyuan> will it be kde 4 files?
[01:08] <tekteen> Strangelet: no
[01:08] <yao_ziyuan> Strangelet: kde4 seems oversimplified
[01:08] <tekteen> Strangelet: kde4 is not ready
[01:08] <yao_ziyuan> Strangelet: and i don't like the appliance-like look'n'feel
[01:08] <Strangelet> I tried earlier today
[01:08] <Strangelet> dint like it, so I switched back to KDE3
[01:08] <tekteen> Strangelet: me too
[01:09] <yao_ziyuan> kde3 is probably too shiny after a while of use
[01:09] <Strangelet> what are the supposed pros?
[01:09] <sMonk> Hello
[01:09] <yao_ziyuan> too watery
[01:09] <yao_ziyuan> can make one nervous if tired
[01:10] <yao_ziyuan> or using a chinese phrase, "too eye-cutting"
[01:10] <Strangelet> tekteen: whoops! heehee
[01:10] <Strangelet> tekteen: BRB, registergin
[01:11] <Strangelet> tekteen: How do I register a nick in Kopete? :\
[01:12] <draik> biovore: Do you think that I am running 2.0GHz with 256MB RAM might be a hinder?
[01:12] <miladen> any1 know a really nice laptop, kinda like alienware style=
[01:12] <yao_ziyuan> i think, open source developers should be the anti-institution type, isn't it? how many of you are out of college?
[01:12] <miladen> ?
[01:12] <tekteen> there is info on freenode.net
[01:12] <tekteen> Strangelet: look above ^
[01:14] <Strangelet> tekteen: look at waht?
[01:14] <Strangelet> tekteen: freenode.net?
[01:14] <ardchoille> !register | Strangelet
[01:14] <ubotu> Strangelet: By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[01:15] <tekteen> ardchoille: thanks
[01:15] <ardchoille> yw
[01:17] <yao_ziyuan> when will be the next kubuntu release using kde4?
[01:18] <Strangelet> tekteen: when I type in /msg nicserv register *****, a new chat window to nickserv is made, that's it :\
[01:18] <Strangelet> maybe it is because I am using Kopete
[01:19] <tekteen> Strangelet: prob. not
[01:19] <tekteen> Strangelet: I have no clue though
[01:19] <Strangelet> tekteen: Hmm :\
[01:19] <ardchoille> Strangelet: nicserv or nickserv?
[01:19] <tekteen> oh
[01:19] <Strangelet> nickserv
[01:19] <Dr_willis> thats mnaking a private chat to  the nickserv. Be sure you got the name right. :)
[01:19] <Strangelet> tekteen: I am going to try using Konversation :)
[01:19] <nicholas> Strangelet here :)
[01:19] <Dr_willis> try /msg nickserv help
[01:20] <Jabapyth> i tried installing kde4-core, but i got an error "Broken packages"
[01:20] <nicholas> Jabapyth: maybe you need to add the sources
[01:20] <ardchoille> Jabapyth: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[01:20] <Jabapyth> im pretty sure i did...jsec
[01:21] <Strangelet> huh..
[01:21] <draik_> Is it possible that since I am running 2.0GHz with 256MB RAM, I am unable to view the loading screen with KUBUNTU and the scrolling blue bar?
[01:21] <Strangelet> Tekteen: i DID register it :P
[01:21] <tekteen> Strangelet: cool
[01:21] <Strangelet> Tekteen: NickServ just didn't reply
[01:21] <Dr_willis> draik,  i wouldent think so.
[01:22] <justin_> why is it that just out of the blue my screent will go black as if changing resilutions then a little text input thing then it will got black then another blinking text thingy. this just happens out of nowhere
[01:22] <draik> Dr_willis: Ok. I still cannot figure out what is going on with it. I got the DVD to play, but now I'm wondering about the loading screen
[01:23] <Dr_willis> You are refering to the splash screen befor you get to the KDM login?
[01:23] <draik> Yes
[01:23] <draik> It's just blank
[01:23] <draik> The monitor is on
[01:23] <Strangelet> TekTeen: okay, it SHOULD work here on Konversation
[01:23] <draik> The backlight to the laptop is on
[01:23] <draik> Just nothing being displayed
[01:23] <Dr_willis> draik,  i always disable the lame splash and frame buffer. :) so  No idea.
[01:24] <Jabapyth> draik: so your screen is competely blank?
[01:24] <draik> Jabapyth: Yes.
[01:24] <Dr_willis> grub --> total blankness --> kdm login ?
[01:24] <draik> Dr_willis: Yes
[01:24] <Dr_willis> does the consolkes work after you login?
[01:24] <Dr_willis> alt-ctrl-f1 and so forth.
[01:24] <draik> Dr_willis: Let me check...
[01:25] <draik> Yes.
[01:25] <draik> BUT
[01:25] <draik> Its superimposed
[01:25] <Jabapyth> to upgrade to gutsy, do you just do a ful adept upgrade?
[01:25] <draik> I am getting a really closeup of the screen
[01:25] <Dr_willis> So the framebuffer displayed console is all goofed up.
[01:25] <draik> How do I fix that?
[01:25] <Dr_willis> Now ya know why i always disable the framebuffer. :) You Might be able to change the framebuffer res and get it working.
[01:25] <Jabapyth> draik: oh, this has happened to me before. restart the x server
[01:26] <draik> Jabapyth: I'm restarted the X Server many times. Nothing changes
[01:26] <Jabapyth> hmm
[01:26] <Dr_willis> I was thinking i was told that the splash does not rely on the framebuffer. But it might be a resolution issue.
[01:26] <Dr_willis> Some times ive had differnt X video cards/drivers/  goof up with the framebuffer consoles also.
[01:26] <draik> Dr_willis: The video card is ATi. The driver is ati. Try VESA?
[01:27] <Dr_willis> You want to lose all performace for X, just so you have a purty splash? :)
[01:27] <draik> No
[01:27] <Dr_willis> you could try the recovery/rescue mode, that normally disables the framebuffer also.
[01:27] <regeya> I am so looking forward to kde 4.1. :-D
[01:28] <justin_> why is it that just out of the blue my screent will go black as if changing resilutions then a little text input thing then it will got black then another blinking text thingy. this just happens out of nowhere
[01:28] <Dr_willis> see if you  can get to the consoles after the recovery mode boot, after starting X with startx, it could be the ATi drivers are fighting with the fremabuffer stuff.
[01:28] <draik> Dr_willis: I have 640x480, 800x600 and 1024x768
[01:29] <draik> Those are my only resolutions
[01:29] <draik> Ok
[01:29] <draik> So I restart and choose recovery mode?
[01:29] <draik> Then go to a console?
[01:30] <draik> Then type "startx"
[01:30] <draik> And see if that works?
[01:30] <Dr_willis> revovery mode goes to the console. :) then try startx. and see if that messed up the consoles.
[01:30] <draik> Ok
[01:31] <draik> Also, I'm using -generic instead of -386, if that matters.
[01:38] <draik_> Dr_willis: Sorry, someone called the house and disconnected me
[01:38] <draik_> How do I get console from within XFCE?
[01:39] <draik_> It seems that it defaults to XFCE when I entered "startx"
[01:40] <draik_> Last thing I saw was your comment about "revovery mode goes to the console. :) then try startx. and see if that messed up the consoles."
[01:40] <draik_> Dr_willis: ^^^^^^
[01:50] <draik> dr
[01:50] <RalphNader> THIS IS A TEST
[01:51] <draik> Dr_willis: How do I get console from xfce?
[01:51] <genii> RalphNader: I hope the crash test dumies didn't get too badly injured in this test
[01:58] <draik> How do I remove XFCE to have only KDE?
[02:00] <genii> draik: sudo apt-get remove --purge xubuntu-desktop
[02:00] <draik> genii: Says it is not installed
[02:00] <mot__> http://www.break.com/index/monkey-needs-a-drink.html
[02:01] <genii> draik: So how then did you put xfce on?
[02:01] <draik> No clue
[02:01] <draik> Install it and remove it?
[02:08] <miketalanca> I have a pretty big problem. After the Xorg update, I had some problems, reinstalled my nVidia drivers, and went to reboot again...and now I cannot boot at all; for a normal boot it freezes at the loading screen right when it says "resuming normal boot" and stops in the middle of booting when I try to boot into recovery mode.
[02:09] <ehc> I have moved some programs into the kde Autostart directory but sometimes  kde will keep a program running on restart and Autostart will cause a second one to start. Is there a way to have an applicaiton start only if it isn't already running?
[02:13] <sub[t]rnl> ehc➜ system settings -> advanced -> session manager.  Enable start with an empty session to be sure that only the programs in the autostart directory will be opened
[02:17] <val0> does anyone know if .NRG and .DAA files can be viewed under linux?
[02:17] <draik> genii: If I do sudo apt-get remove --purge xubuntu-desktop, it only removes that app, not anything else.
[02:17] <tekteen> val0: can k3b read it>
[02:17] <tekteen> val0: can k3b read it?
[02:18] <genii> draik: xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which includes al of the xfce system and applications
[02:18] <val0> tekteen: hmm good call let me check it out
[02:19] <val0> tekteen: nope it can't...
[02:19] <tekteen> ok
[02:20] <val0> tekteen need something along the lines of magiciso for windows
[02:20] <tekteen> val0: how about nrg2iso
[02:20] <tekteen> or isomagic
[02:20] <tekteen> iso magic I am not sure about
[02:21] <miketalanca> va10: I use a utility i found on kde-apps.org to mount just about any CD image file called MountISO
[02:21] <miketalanca> You should look into it.
[02:21] <val0> miketalanca thanks will do!
[02:22] <ApacheNoob> hello
[02:22] <miketalanca> I have a pretty big problem. After the Xorg update, I had some problems, reinstalled my nVidia drivers, and went to reboot again...and now I cannot boot at all; for a normal boot it freezes at the loading screen right when it says "resuming normal boot" and stops in the middle of booting when I try to boot into recovery mode. I have NO idea as to what the problem might be.
[02:23] <tekteen> ApacheNoob: hi
[02:23] <ApacheNoob> I have a slightly less epic problem
[02:23] <tekteen> but I cant answer miketalanca's
[02:23] <ApacheNoob> I need to set up apache and filezilla on my server
[02:23] <tekteen> try #ubuntu
[02:23] <ApacheNoob> okay
[02:23] <tekteen> this is for #kubuntu
[02:24] <tekteen> or ask here too
[02:24] <ApacheNoob> that's what I'm using
[02:24] <ApacheNoob> oh crap
[02:24] <ApacheNoob> I'm using xubuntu
[02:24] <draik> I'm trying to get rid of Xubuntu
[02:25] <tekteen> ApacheNoob: it does not matter
[02:25] <tekteen> ubuntu is ubuntu for the servers
[02:25] <tekteen> including kubuntu and xubuntu
[02:26] <ApacheNoob> ah
[02:26] <ApacheNoob> thanks tekteen
[02:29] <OuZo> !dolphin
[02:29] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[02:29] <jerry_> has anyone trie dKDE 4?
[02:30] <tekteen> jerry_: yep
[02:30] <tekteen> jerry_: it is not ready yet
[02:30] <tekteen> jerry_: though you can try it if you want
[02:30] <ardchoille> jerry_: kde4 support in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:31] <draik> genii: It only removed the package xubuntu-desktop
[02:31] <niall> is there a way to roll back to before you last update?
[02:31] <draik> Not the other installed packages
[02:32] <genii> draik: And right now you have what? KDE and XFCE on your box?
[02:33] <draik> genii: Yes
[02:34] <genii> draik: please put into pastebin result of these commands: apt-cache policy xubuntu-desktop             apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop                apt-cache policy kubuntu-desktop
[02:35] <draik> On it
[02:35] <jerry_> ok
[02:37] <niall> how do you rename a directory at commandline?
[02:37] <tekteen> mv dir new-dir
[02:37] <draik> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52529
[02:37] <genii> niall: (sudo) mv oldname newname
[02:38] <niall> thanks
[02:41] <Dr_willis> draik,  hmm.. the console is the  terminals on the alt-ctrl-F1 through f6 keys. if you are in Xfce. then you allready got X going. :)
[02:42] <draik> Dr_willis: I was in a console from recovery mode. I entered "startx" and I got into XFCE.
[02:42] <Dr_willis> draik,  then you did exactly what you wanted to do. :)
[02:43] <Dr_willis> startx just starts up X and spawns whatever default desktop ya got set.
[02:43] <draik> Dr_willis: Oh. Ok. So how do I change xfce to KDE?
[02:44] <Dr_willis>  given that its just a test.. it dont matter. You must of selected xfce from gdm/kdm some how   proberly a  setting file in your home dir.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> You could make a .xinitrc file and put in it 'startkde' that may go to kde.
[02:44] <Dr_willis> but this is all just for testing out the fremabuffer/splash/video issues.
[02:45] <niall> :x
[02:45] <draik> Ok
[02:45] <niall> so I take it you can't just log out and choose a different session and log back in then? ;x
[02:46] <draik> Everything worked. Console was the correct, decent size. How do I get it to do that in normal boot, rather than recovery?
[02:46] <Dr_willis> disable the framebuffer  Like i  alwyas say :) been saying it all day.
[02:47] <jabapyth> how do i start the x-server from command-line?
[02:48] <jabapyth> or for that matter, kde?
[02:48] <Dr_willis> append the 'nofb' option to the kernel= lines in menu.lst  or  edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit the line to be like --> # defoptions=quiet nosplash nofb              Then rerun 'sudo update-grub'
[02:48] <Dr_willis> jabapyth,  'startx' is the command.
[02:48] <jabapyth> thanks
[02:48] <jabapyth> bye
[02:48] <Dr_willis> You can set what X runs by default by editing the .xinitrc file (make it)
[02:49] <Dr_willis> work time for me. :(
[02:49] <draik> Dr_willis: How do I disable the framebuffer?
[02:52] <ddave> Hi #kubuntu
[02:53] <ddave> setting up a samba domain controller to provide files to both windows XP and kubuntu workstations
[02:53] <ddave> The WinXP machines have connected to the domain, I like that way that you have to ability to centralize logins on the PDC. I would like to use the same set of logins on the windows workstations provided by the PDC on the kubuntu workstations. What is the best way to do this?
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hmm, I've changed the bouncing cursor to no busy cursor in kcontrol/launch feedback , but it still bounces ...gawd it's annoying :(
[02:56] <Dr_willis> draik,  i just told you how to disable the framebuffer. edit the menu.lst file.
[02:56] <asdfasdfasdfasdf>  hi im trying to add subtiltes to a dvd without menu and im using qdvdauthor with spumus i checked text based subtiltes went to font typed Arial.ttf and then the execution dialog appeared sa¡ying this: http://rafb.net/p/25kI2R19.html
[02:56] <Dr_willis> bye all.
[02:56] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> of course i copied Arial.ttf from somewhere to $HOME/.spumux
[02:57] <jabapyth> for some reason my pc starts up with the splash screen, then switches to a cmd-line login
[02:57] <jabapyth> but it diddnt used to
[02:57] <jabapyth> how do i change this?
[03:04] <blgrnboy> sup dudes
[03:04] <blgrnboy> and ladies
[03:04] <blgrnboy> i got a question...
[03:04] <blgrnboy> I am new to linux, and although kubuntu is really friendly, I would like to learn to use command line
[03:05] <blgrnboy> and get familiar with linux OS
[03:05] <xRaich[o12x> blgrnboy: start konsole and type "man command" for the command you want to learn
[03:05] <se7en> !bash
[03:05] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[03:08] <MGalaxy> how can I force an APP to use newer libraries, e.g. from libwx2.6 to libwx2.8 ?
[03:11] <user_> hello all.  sorry if this has been discussed already (I imagine it has), but have any of you had any issues with today's update of the xorg-server?
[03:12] <user_> vlc won't run, and I'm sure there are other programs affected
[03:12] <xRaich[o12x> user_: there is already a bug in lauchpad dealing with that
[03:13] <biovore> yeah.. I had problems with it.. changes up my nvidia driver stuff..
[03:13] <biovore> and changed my xorg.conf
[03:13] <user_> xraich[o12x: thanks - just so i wasn't the only one
[03:13] <user_> i had some really weird things going on with my display for a while too, but after booting in recovery mode fixed that one
[03:13] <xRaich[o12x> user_: nope the problem is already known and the xorg package has been blocked
[03:14] <user_> xraich[o12x: so should i force-install the previous version?
[03:14] <user_> or wait for a fix?
[03:14] <xRaich[o12x> user_: if you want to fix the problem a downgrade should do the trick
[03:15] <xRaich[o12x> user_: but i don't really had any issues so don't ask me ;)
[03:15] <user_> xraich[o12x: i figured as much.  but will the xorg team release a fix?
[03:16] <makers_mark> hi.i'm having trouble using a webcam on another account in ubuntu.
[03:16] <xRaich[o]2x> user_: hmm dunno but i though is was more an ubuntu issue rather than xorg
[03:16] <user_> i'll just downgrade then.  thanks.
[03:16] <xRaich[o]2x> user_: arg sorry i'm pretty tired so my typing suffers a bit ^^
[03:17] <xRaich[o]2x> 4 am in the morning....
[03:17] <user_> makers_mark: what exactly are you trying to do with the webcam?  and is it a usb?
[03:17] <user_> xraich[o]2x: no probs.  but your nick is incredibly hard to type ;)
[03:17] <makers_mark> yes.i'm trying to use it through kopete and skype 2.0 beta.it works fine on my account (main account).
[03:17] <makers_mark> but it won't work on another admin account.
[03:18] <xRaich[o]2x> user_: use auto completition ;)
[03:18] <user_> how do i do that?
[03:18] <xRaich[o]2x> user_: like in bash. just hit tab
[03:19] <user_> xRaich[o]2x: cool.  i didn't know that Konversation had that feature!
[03:19]  * xRaich[o]2x is using irssi but konversation also does it
[03:19] <user_> makers_mark: did you need any special drivers to get it to work before?
[03:20] <user_> makers_mark: luvcview (if its still active) works wonders for linux webcams
[03:22] <user_> ha! just did an "apt-get update" and found that there already is a new xserver-core package available! Let's hope this one works better :)
[03:22] <makers_mark> user_ the other account didn't have flash player 9 installed.
[03:22] <makers_mark> user_ i installed that and rebooted.i think it'll work now.
[03:22] <user_> makers_mark: hmmm :/ That shouldn't matter
[03:22] <makers_mark> let me give it a whirl
[03:23] <user_> i mean, the webcam itself should work without Flash, but in certain programs, they may rely on Flash, so it just might work for you after all :)
[03:24] <makers_mark> user_ nevermind,it doesn't work.
[03:24] <makers_mark> but i have to go so i'll figure it out later.
[03:24] <Joe98052> Hey, I have a very stupid (noob) question, what is the best program to play dvd's with? (Yes, I am new to linux, Yes, I googled the hell out of this, and Yes, I still had to ask!)
[03:25] <xRaich[o]2x> Joe98052: did you install the medibuntu stuff?
[03:25] <Joe98052> xRainch nope, fresh install of Kubuntu 7.10
[03:26] <xRaich[o]2x> Joe98052: give that page a look : http://www.medibuntu.org/
[03:26] <Joe98052> thanks!
[03:26] <xRaich[o]2x> Joe98052: they have good "howto" on their page
[03:27] <draik> How do I remove the frame buffers during boot?
[03:27] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: framebuffers should be disabled by default
[03:27] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: do you mean the splash?
[03:28] <Joe98052> xRainch: I appriciate you help!  I'll read up
[03:28] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: Yes. I do not see the splash prior to the KDM login. Also, console login is superimposed. I cannot see what follows.
[03:29] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: did you setup any framebuffers?
[03:29] <xRaich[o]2x> you see no splash at all?
[03:29] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: Not to my recollection
[03:29] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: None. It's all blank
[03:30] <xRaich[o]2x> now that's weird... sorry never saw that before. with kind of video card?
[03:30] <draik> Ati
[03:31] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: could you nopaste your /boot/grub/menu.lst and the output of lsmod please?
[03:32] <xRaich[o]2x> !paste
[03:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:33] <niall_> !compiz
[03:33] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:34] <zhobbs> I'm trying to get xinerama working, it works in kdm but switches to just one monitor when I login
[03:34] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: On it
[03:35] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: it's almost 5 am over here so don't expect to much ;)
[03:35] <jimmy51> hello, trying to get kvpn working i get this error:  "error: The required daemons (pppd and pptp) are not available,"
[03:36] <jimmy51> !pppd
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pppd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <jimmy51> !ipppd
[03:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipppd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:36] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52535
[03:37] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: try sudo aptitude install ppp pptpd
[03:38] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  trying...
[03:38] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: try the nosplash option instead of splash
[03:39] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: change line 89 into # defoptions=quiet nosplash
[03:39] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: an run sudo update-grub
[03:40] <draik> Ok
[03:40] <draik> One sec
[03:41] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: could you post your /etc/initramfs-tools/modules too please?
[03:42] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  well, that got further.  now i get: "error: Input/output error"
[03:43] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: that doesn't specify the problem very good ^^
[03:43] <microcnc> l
[03:44] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  it sure doesn't. :(
[03:44] <niall_> compiz is pretty slow :z
[03:45] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: are you using hardware acceleration?
[03:45] <niall_> good question
[03:45] <niall_> I should be
[03:45] <niall_> do I have to turn it on??
[03:45] <xRaich[o]2x> glxinfo | grep rendering
[03:45] <xRaich[o]2x> what does it say?
[03:46] <xRaich[o]2x> Yes or No
[03:46] <niall_> Yes
[03:46] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm what kind of video card?
[03:46] <niall_> nvidia 7800 GTS
[03:46] <niall_> *GS
[03:47] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: check if there are other proceses running with top
[03:47] <xRaich[o]2x> maybe there is a process hogging the cpu
[03:48] <niall_> nope
[03:48] <xRaich[o]2x> lsmod | grep nvidia says nvidia?
[03:49] <niall_> nvidia               7013492  44
[03:49] <niall_> i2c_core               30208  2 nvidia,i2c_nforce2
[03:49] <niall_> yep
[03:49] <niall_> :x
[03:49] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm ok. i'm lost ^^
[03:50] <niall_> brb
[03:52] <niall_> !compiz
[03:52] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[03:52] <jimmy51> ok, i've got more debug output... should i paste it all here?
[03:52] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: nope never paste inside channels ;)
[03:52] <xRaich[o]2x> !paste
[03:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:53] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: pasting inside a channel will result in a kick
[03:53] <jimmy51> ah... ok
[03:54] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52536
[03:54] <jimmy51> VPN Error:  http://pastebin.com/m514f70a0
[03:55] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: When I did the update-grub, it added 386. I've been using the generic. Should I remove it or does it matter?
[03:56] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: install pptp-linux
[03:57] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: should be ok
[03:57] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: Does it matter which one I use?
[03:57] <Jabapyth> how do i downgrade a package?
[03:57] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: just pick the right one when booting ;)
[03:58] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: Which one would be the right one?
[03:58] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: dunno. i don't really know much about the kernel labeling in ubuntu ^^ but i don't really think i should cause any trouble. i'd pick the generic
[03:58] <draik> Generic it is
[03:58] <niall_> is there anyway I can edit the appearance of the K Menu?
[03:59] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: you can use a replacement like kbfx or tastymenu
[03:59] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: kbfx is pretty much horrible but some people seem to like it ^^
[03:59] <xRaich[o]2x> i think there also is a kde3 kickoff menu
[04:00] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: What now? Anything wrong with my /etc/initramfs-tools/modules file?
[04:00] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: nope everything's fluffy
[04:00] <draik> So... reboot?
[04:00] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: give it a try ^^
[04:00]  * draik reboots, then crosses his fingers
[04:01] <CppIsWeird> I upgraded to 7.10 from 7.04 and now my sound plays these ultra high pitched squeals. Any ideas as to a course of action?
[04:01] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: is it working?
[04:01] <genii> Mute your microphone?
[04:01] <CppIsWeird> not the microphone
[04:02] <CppIsWeird> when the computer tries to output sound is when it does that
[04:02] <ploo> how do you install and enable SSHD from cli?
[04:02] <xRaich[o]2x> CppIsWeird: intel chipset?
[04:02] <CppIsWeird> like the boot up sounds, etc.
[04:02] <CppIsWeird> yep
[04:02] <xRaich[o]2x> reduce cd volume
[04:02] <CppIsWeird> eh... ok...
[04:02] <xRaich[o]2x> did the trick on my box ^^
[04:03] <spawn57> pioo apt-get install openssh-server
[04:03] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: Ok
[04:03] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: works?
[04:03] <CppIsWeird> didnt work
[04:03] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm
[04:03] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: I rebooted. No splash screen. I see text. I wanted to see the splash screen, though. On the bright side. Boot time has gone from ~3 mintues to just under a minute.
[04:04] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: seems like your video card doesn't like the splash
[04:04] <xRaich[o]2x> CppIsWeird: did you reduce it in alsamixer?
[04:04] <draik> Oh well
[04:05] <draik> I can live without it
[04:05] <CppIsWeird> no, kmix
[04:05] <xRaich[o]2x> try that
[04:05] <draik> Now I am just wondering if it is conflicting with something else that I am not aware of right now.
[04:05] <CppIsWeird> k, one sec. i had a high pitched squeal that did go away when i turned off line-in
[04:05] <xRaich[o]2x> draik: dunno. but that was all i could think off right now ^^
[04:06] <draik> xRaich[o]2x: That's fine. It may not produce the end results I wanted, but my boot time is cut down to a third
[04:06] <xRaich[o]2x> CppIsWeird: just juggle around with some settings. i had the high pitch problem when alpha testing hardy and CD volume fixed it
[04:07] <CppIsWeird> but i dont hear the actual sound
[04:07] <xRaich[o]2x> hrm
[04:07] <CppIsWeird> like every time im supposed to hear a ding from a messenger, i get a screetch
[04:08] <CppIsWeird> i had a buttload of problems getting my sound to work in 7.04, and after like a month of screwing around i finally got it
[04:08] <xRaich[o]2x> CppIsWeird: odd....
[04:08] <CppIsWeird> i will sooner go back to windows before going through that crap again. >_<
[04:08] <xRaich[o]2x> sad to hear that
[04:08] <xRaich[o]2x> maybe you should submit a bug report
[04:13] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  sort of.  it's getting further, but the remote end is disconnecting
[04:14] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: well that's a far as i can get. don't know much about vpn
[04:14] <xRaich[o]2x> seems like a configuration problem
[04:14] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  thanks for the help so far... i'm further than i would be without the proper libraries installed!
[04:15] <xRaich[o]2x> np problem.... mind head feels funny... it's 5 am and i'm all out of tea
[04:15] <xRaich[o]2x> neeeeeed sleeeeeep
[04:15] <niall_> you were right
[04:15] <niall_> kbfx is horrible
[04:15] <xRaich[o]2x> but on the other hand i feel kinda awake...
[04:16] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: it sure is ^^
[04:16] <xRaich[o]2x> niall_: wait for kde4.1. it should have some nice menus ;)
[04:16] <niall_> that's not out till July
[04:17] <xRaich[o]2x> it's sure worth waiting for ^^
[04:17] <niall_> ;D
[04:17] <niall_> I think 4.0.4 is out by April
[04:17] <xRaich[o]2x> kde4.0 is pretty much the most amazing DE i've ever used
[04:17] <niall_> so that's probably what they'll include in Kubuntu 8.04
[04:17] <niall_> yeah
[04:18] <niall_> I liked it, it just ran really slow
[04:18] <jimmy51> xRaich[o]2x:  i've found a ubuntu guide for what i want to do:  http://tipotheday.com/2007/11/28/connect-to-windows-vpn-server-pptp-with-ubuntu-gutsy/  is that worth trying?
[04:18] <niall_> so I'm holding out for a proper distribution
[04:18] <xRaich[o]2x> runs very fast over here
[04:18] <ploo> there any problems installing kubuntu 7.10 on lcd labtop with 8600gt nvidia card?
[04:18] <ploo> stops when trying to load the install
[04:19] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: looks smexy give it a lick ^^
[04:19] <jimmy51> what?
[04:19] <jimmy51> (if that's linux lingo, i don't know what it means...)
[04:19] <ploo> fatal error no screens found
[04:19] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: nevermind... i'm weird.. way to tired ^^
[04:20] <xRaich[o]2x> jimmy51: just try the howto you have posted
[04:20] <smax> hi
[04:20] <smax> i installed Qt 4 but g++ cant see it.
[04:21] <xRaich[o]2x> smax: did you install the dev packages?
[04:22] <smax> whats to add to my PATH
[04:22] <smax> yes
[04:22] <ardchoille> smax: KDE4?
[04:22] <smax> xRaich[o]2x: sudo apt-get install libqt4-gui libqt4-dev
[04:22] <smax> im on feisty fawn
[04:22] <smax> are those the correct packages ?
[04:23] <xRaich[o]2x> hmm dunno programming in qt4 works like a charm over here. running gutsy
[04:23] <xRaich[o]2x> packages look correct to me
[04:23] <smax> error: QApplication: No such file or directory
[04:24] <xRaich[o]2x> smax: you familiar with building qt4 apps?
[04:24] <xRaich[o]2x> qmake etc?
[04:24] <smax> i used g++
[04:24] <smax> this is my hellow world.
[04:24] <smax> i know C++, just now getting into Qt.
[04:24] <xRaich[o]2x> ah ok
[04:24] <xRaich[o]2x> qt is different
[04:24] <xRaich[o]2x> it extends c++
[04:25] <xRaich[o]2x> so you need some different tools
[04:25] <niall_> nn!
[04:26] <smax> ok qmake is what im looking for.
[04:26] <smax> but...
[04:26] <smax> /home/jerware/C++/qt/hello.cpp:5: Unknown test function: int main
[04:26] <smax> i'll throw a paste bin
[04:26] <xRaich[o]2x> make a folder
[04:26] <xRaich[o]2x> name it helloworld
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> inside you put a file main.cpp
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> with you code
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> run qmake -project
[04:27] <smax> http://rafb.net/p/C6h0k178.html
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> run qmake
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> and tada it should work
[04:27] <smax> ok
[04:27] <xRaich[o]2x> at least i think so ^^
[04:28] <xRaich[o]2x> can't think straight anymore :P
[04:28] <smax> no erros. but i got a qt.pro
[04:28] <smax> rather than an a.out
[04:28] <xRaich[o]2x> run qmake
[04:29] <smax> now i have a Makefile
[04:29] <xRaich[o]2x> run make
[04:29] <smax> hello.cpp:6: error: ‘argc’ was not declared in this scope
[04:29] <smax> forgot data types
[04:29] <xRaich[o]2x> how does your code look?
[04:29] <xRaich[o]2x> nopaste please
[04:30] <smax> xRaich[o]2x: thanx pal
[04:30] <smax> it worked
[04:31] <smax> i have a qt bin file.
[04:31] <xRaich[o]2x> congrats ;)
[04:32] <smax> xRaich[o]2x: Do you like the designer?
[04:32] <xRaich[o]2x> smax: sure
[04:32] <smax> i have heard some controversy about it.
[04:32] <smax> but nothing speciffic.
[04:32] <xRaich[o]2x> way better than layouting by hand
[04:33] <xRaich[o]2x> it gives me the results i want. a lot faster than doing it with code
[04:34] <ploo> how come when I try to install kubuntu it does not boot the livecd or graphical installer?
[04:34] <smax> ploo is your boot device priorit set to cdrom ?
[04:34] <ploo> it boots off CD
[04:34] <ploo> get the kubuntu thing
[04:34] <ploo> for start and shit like that
[04:34] <ploo> after that nothing
[04:35] <xRaich[o]2x> ploo: check the md5 of the iso you downloaded
[04:35] <xRaich[o]2x> and check the cd
[04:35] <ploo> nvidia 8000's having problems?
[04:35] <xRaich[o]2x> maybe something went wrong
[04:35] <ploo> it will do a text based install
[04:36] <organix> i'm running nvidia 7800gt working as intended
[04:36] <genii> organix: Mine too
[04:37] <organix> kde4 works beautifully too ;)
[04:37] <xRaich[o]2x> id check the cd first
[04:37] <ploo> there iso's with kde4?
[04:37] <xRaich[o]2x> yep
[04:37] <ploo> url?
[04:37] <xRaich[o]2x> kubuntu.org
[04:37] <xRaich[o]2x> inside the kde4 announcement
[04:37] <organix> It is only a live CD though, correct?
[04:38] <biovore> !kde4
[04:38] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[04:38] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno i have kde4 running here. never tested the live cd
[04:38] <ploo> NO screens found
[04:38] <ploo> is what happens
[04:38] <ploo> when trying to boot
[04:38] <se7en> ploo: as far as i know the kde4 live cd doesn't even have knetworkmanager
[04:39] <xRaich[o]2x> ploo: hmmm i had that error a few years ago... but that was with the closed driver
[04:40] <xRaich[o]2x> se7en: run the kde3 knetworkmanager
[04:41] <xRaich[o]2x> or use the solidshell
[04:41] <xRaich[o]2x> dunno if it's already suited to do the job
[04:41] <se7en> well if you can't connect to the internet how you get kde3's networkmanager xRaich[o]2x
[04:41] <ploo> kubuntu have 64bit?
[04:41] <xRaich[o]2x> se7en: pppoeconf
[04:42] <xRaich[o]2x> works for dsl
[04:42] <organix> ploo: yes
[04:42] <se7en> ok xRaich[o]2x i didn't know that
[04:42] <xRaich[o]2x> ploo: yep but has some issues with closed source
[04:42] <xRaich[o]2x> no flash, skype and so on
[04:43] <ploo> issues like?
[04:43] <xRaich[o]2x> see above
[04:43] <ploo> do I gain much using 64bit?
[04:43] <xRaich[o]2x> not really
[04:44] <xRaich[o]2x> for a few things it just means more work
[04:44] <xRaich[o]2x> the 32bit needs less care
[04:44] <xRaich[o]2x> at least it was that way when i tried it the last time ^^
[04:47] <justin_> would kubuntu be good for devolpment C C++ pascal etc.
[04:47] <justin_> and how do i upgrade the version
[04:47] <xRaich[o]2x> i'd say yes
[04:48] <justin_> how do i upgrade to a newer version
[04:49] <justin_> i found it nvm
[04:49] <xRaich[o]2x> justin_: check the wiki there should be a howto or something
[04:49] <justin_> its a big button in the package manager
[04:53] <justin_> why is it that out of the blue, my moiniter goes black twice. i think x server is restarting or somthing or at least that what it looks like, ok let me restate why is it that out of nowhere X restarts twice then goes back to normal
[04:53] <ubunturos> !xbug
[04:53] <ubotu> A bug has recently caused an X.org package to break. It is fixed now, just update your packages list from Synaptic/Adept or « sudo apt-get update »
[04:53] <draik> Does anyone here play Uplink?
[04:54] <justin_> whats that is it fun
[04:54] <CppIsWeird> xRaich[o]2x, well i got all the high pitched noise to go away, but now i get nothing at all. >_<
[04:55] <arrrghhh> ok, so i'm trying to install kubuntu 7.10 on this older machine, and kdesktop came up with an error and now there's no desktop icons
[04:56] <xRaich[o]2x> CppIsWeird: submit a bug report
[04:56] <arrrghhh> so how do i install kubuntu now without the install icon?
[04:56] <organix> arrrghhh: have you tried rebooting back into the CD
[04:56] <jimmy51> i think this is my bug:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-pptp/+bug/123696
[04:56] <arrrghhh> organix: yes, same error
[04:57] <arrrghhh> i added more ram because before it wouldn't load anything with 256 or whatever it had before
[04:57] <jimmy51> kubuntu + connecting to windows vpn server = broken
[04:57] <xRaich[o]2x> ok 6am.. time for me to hit the sac
[04:57] <arrrghhh> yea i haven't found a way to connect to pptp with linux
[04:57] <xRaich[o]2x> by folks
[04:58] <jimmy51> man oh man.  i hate to whine about a free OS, but that's a big hit if i can't dial in to work from my home linux box
[04:58] <justin_> X is still messed up after i updated it still messes up when im play urban terror (open source Q3 mod)
[04:59] <justin_> would x86_64 arch have anything to do with it
[04:59] <draik> justin_: http://www.uplink.co.uk
[05:00] <jimmy51> !pptp
[05:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:00] <inaety_> how can i lock my screen on kde4
[05:01] <draik> inaety_: Doesn't CTRL+ALT+L work?
[05:01] <ardchoille> inaety_: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:01] <inaety_> ardchoille: thanks
[05:01] <ardchoille> yw
[05:01] <draik> Hey there ardchoille
[05:01] <inaety_> draik: no, i believe i am missing a componoent
[05:01] <ardchoille> hi draik
[05:02] <draik> Well, it's late and I work tomorrow. Goodnight all.
[05:02] <organix> jimmy51: http://fosswire.com/2007/10/13/setting-up-a-simple-vpn-connection/
[05:03] <organix> jimmy51: check out rdesktop as well
[05:03] <justin_> X server is still restarting(at least i think thats what it is) out of nowhere
[05:04] <organix> check your log files justin_
[05:04] <organix> see if it points you in any directions
[05:05] <organix> _/var/log/*xorg
[05:11] <smax> if i write a UML diagram in Dia,  could visio read it too ?
[05:12] <smax> just like openoffice can read microsoft office.
[05:12] <ubuntu> so there's no textual installer on the desktop livecd?
[05:13] <ubuntu> because the icons on the desktop are still not loading
[05:13] <ubuntu> and i can't start the installer any other way other than that desktop icon?
[05:14] <organix> ubuntu: try browsing your desktop through dolphin or whatever?
[05:15] <ubuntu> y'know i thought i tried that... but now i just feel dumb.  let's see if it starts it.  looks like it's going to
[05:15] <organix> if that fails, try your trusty shell
[05:15] <ubuntu> well how do i run it from the shell?
[05:15] <organix> good question :)
[05:15] <organix> ./installer-name
[05:15] <organix> maybe
[05:16] <ubuntu> hrm, it's slooooow.
[05:16] <ubuntu> the window came up
[05:16] <ubuntu> but it's still loading
[05:16] <organix> out of curiosity, why are you attempting to install on such a slow PC?
[05:17] <ubuntu> because XP is atrocious
[05:17] <ubuntu> this isn't my machine
[05:17] <ubuntu> but i can't stand seeing someone using XP.  the livecd has been working fairly well once it's loaded
[05:18] <organix> could always try xubuntu if kubuntu fails
[05:18] <ubuntu> yea
[05:18] <ubuntu> i thought about it
[05:18] <organix> i personally don't like xfce
[05:18] <ubuntu> yea i used to use it
[05:18] <ubuntu> but i found kde was much more mature WM
[05:19] <ubuntu> and xfce was actually running worse on the box i was using it on
[05:19] <ubuntu> didnt feel lighter at all
[05:19] <organix> some argue it's not
[05:20] <NeoOokami> Xubuntu's a bit heavier than a regular Xfce desktop.
[05:20] <organix> Neo0okami: interesting, I wonder why.
[05:20] <NeoOokami> They're quite a bit of Gnome bits still in it to make up where Xfce's lacking.
[05:21] <NeoOokami> It's a lot more minimalistic by itself.
[05:21] <organix> I see
[05:21] <NeoOokami> Though if you're worried about being ultralight you shouldn't be using a desktop environment anyways~
[05:21] <organix> ./agreed
[05:21] <ubuntu> well...
[05:21] <organix> all my servers run debian
[05:21] <ubuntu> i'm setting this up for a soon-to-be ex windows user
[05:22] <ubuntu> a console environment is not a viable replacement
[05:22] <NeoOokami> Don't get me wrong. I use desktop environments. XD
[05:22] <ubuntu> profoX`: is pissing me off!
[05:22] <NeoOokami> ubuntu: I meant more a plain window manager and just the apps you want.
[05:22] <ubuntu> NeoOokami: plain like what?
[05:23] <ubuntu> like flux?
[05:23] <NeoOokami> ubuntu: Yeah. Just the window manager.
[05:23] <organix> ubuntu: is your PC still loading Dolphin? haha
[05:23] <ubuntu> well
[05:23] <NeoOokami> Gnome, KDE, and even Xfce load up quite a bit to provide functionality.
[05:23] <ubuntu> dolphin works great
[05:23] <snarkster> Ive never used Flux. are there any screen shots of it?
[05:23] <ubuntu> konquerer works great
[05:24] <ubuntu> NeoOokami: what do you suggest then?
[05:24] <organix> google: fluxbox screenshots
[05:24] <NeoOokami> For a former windows user I suggest Gnome or KDE.
[05:24] <ubuntu> ja
[05:24] <ubuntu> i'm goin with kde
[05:24] <ubuntu> or at least trying to
[05:24] <ubuntu> so i have to download the alternate CD to install with the text installer?
[05:24] <NeoOokami> I like both honestly. Though my presence here should indicate my preference.
[05:24] <ubuntu> that is lame
[05:25] <ubuntu> NeoOokami: well you mentioned a '
[05:25] <ubuntu> plain window manager'
[05:25] <genii> Please.Someone put me out of this profoX misery
[05:25] <ubuntu> seriously
[05:25] <NeoOokami> If you're worried about being ultra light.
[05:25] <ubuntu> can someone ban him for like 20 mins?
[05:25] <ubuntu> or so
[05:25] <NeoOokami> Not in general.
[05:25] <ubuntu> well
[05:25] <ubuntu> i want kde
[05:25] <ubuntu> but this is not workin for me
[05:25] <NeoOokami> I like all of the functionality and cohesiveness of a desktop~
[05:26] <genii> !ops profoX_ flood
[05:26] <organix> im a commandline junkie at heart, but I hate lynx heh
[05:26] <genii> bah wrong syntax
[05:29] <genii> !ops |profoX_ flood in #kubuntu
[05:29] <genii> Thanks ardchoille
[05:29] <ubotu> profoX_ flood in #kubuntu: Help! Riddell, Tm_T, fdoving, Mez, stdin, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal, PriceChild, jussi01 or ardchoille!
[05:29] <genii> Can someone remind me of proper !ops   call??
[05:29]  * genii hides
[05:30] <ubuntu> so there's no text install on the desktop livecd?
[05:31] <ubuntu> kinda ridiculous you have to download a different image... seems like a simple thing they could incorporate.
[05:32] <m0u5e> where can i find a well kept kde4 repos?
[05:32] <m0u5e> well *maintained
[05:33] <organix> m0u5e: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu
[05:33] <m0u5e> ty
[05:33] <organix> nice transfer rates too (in oregon atleast)
[05:33] <ubuntu> so is that the only way to do the text install?
[05:33] <ubuntu> download the alternate iso?
[05:34] <organix> ubununtu: unfortunatly yes
[05:34] <m0u5e> i just add this to my source.lst?
[05:34] <organix> m0u5e: yup
[05:34] <m0u5e> no key?
[05:34] <ubuntu> bah
[05:35] <ubuntu> humbug
[05:35] <AdmPaul> Howdy howdy.
[05:35] <se7en> m0u5e: no key just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:35] <organix> apt-get install kde4-core after
[05:36] <organix> http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/11/how-to-install-kde-40-in-kubuntu-710/
[05:36] <organix> AdmPaul: howdy
[05:36] <AdmPaul> I've got an interesting issue. When trying to browse an NTFS partition, dolphin is giving me a "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000" error. Any ideas on that one?
[05:37] <ubuntu> AdmPaul: goto system settings
[05:37] <ubuntu> advanced
[05:37] <AdmPaul> done
[05:37] <ubuntu> disk & file systems
[05:37] <ubuntu> admin mode
[05:38] <AdmPaul> done
[05:38] <m0u5e> i didn't work...
[05:38] <m0u5e> it*
[05:38] <ubuntu> now find the disk you need to mount, and define a mount point
[05:38] <m0u5e> i typed deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/ main universe multiverse
[05:38] <ubuntu> like /media/mountpoint
[05:38] <m0u5e> and it didn't work :/
[05:38] <ubuntu> AdmPaul: then enable it after that's done, should be mounted now
[05:39] <se7en> !kde4 | m0u5e
[05:39] <ubotu> m0u5e: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[05:39] <AdmPaul> Ha, another interesting error.
[05:40] <organix> m0u5e: http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[05:40] <AdmPaul> System reported and unclean shutdown.
[05:40] <organix> should be in your sources.list
[05:40] <AdmPaul> I guess I should boot back into windows and then "shutdown"?
[05:40] <m0u5e> okay
[05:40] <AdmPaul> Last time I booted into windows I sent my system into hibernate.
[05:40] <LamerMan> how can i launch several processes in bash? :) when i just print program1\nprogram2\n, program2 will not be launched until program1 exits.
[05:41] <AdmPaul> I'm gonna try that and see if it works. Thanks for the assist ubuntu.
[05:41] <organix> LamerMan: use &&
[05:41] <genii> LamerMan: What organix said
[05:41] <LamerMan> ok, thanks.
[05:41] <organix> or, have fun with pipes ^^
[05:48] <LamerMan> organix could you please make an example? i try program1 && program2, is that wrong?
[05:48] <hydrogen> organix: no
[05:48] <hydrogen> LamerMan: no
[05:48] <hydrogen> LamerMan: you can lauch a program in the background but adding & to it
[05:48] <organix> LamerMan: should work fine...
[05:48] <hydrogen> organix: no, it won't
[05:49] <hydrogen> that will lauch one program, if it ends successfully it will launch the next
[05:49] <hydrogen> program1 & launches it and puts it in the background
[05:49] <LamerMan> hydrogen like &program1 ?
[05:49] <LamerMan> or program1& or program1 & ? :)
[05:49] <se7en> LamerMan: kwrite& kate&
[05:49] <LamerMan> ok thanks.
[05:59] <LamerMan> it works, but now the shell blocks until all the programs exit (and redirects stdout or all programs to the shell). How could i make it not block completely?
[05:59] <LamerMan> i type pr1& \n pr2& \n
[06:00] <genii> Why are you putting in the newline?
[06:00] <LamerMan> should i make it in one single line?
[06:00] <se7en> kwrite& kate&
[06:02] <hydrogen> err
[06:02] <hydrogen> newlines are fine
[06:02] <hydrogen> you may need a space before the &
[06:02] <AdmPaul> Somehow I got both Synaptic and Adept package managers installed on my system. I can remove Synaptic without a problem, correct?
[06:03] <LamerMan> i'm new to linux :) shell does not block until the programs exit but it won't return until i press enter in the shell. If i put that script in rc.local to launch programs automaticall, won't it block? :)
[06:03] <hydrogen> no
[06:03] <ardchoille> AdmPaul: Yes, it's just a gui front-end to APT
[06:04] <LamerMan> ok
[06:04] <AdmPaul> ardochoille: Thought so. Thanks.
[06:15] <fortruth> join #kde-cn
[06:33] <LamerMan> me again :) i try to launch java application automatically after the start, to do it i place the string "java -jar my.jar&" and it does not launch. When i type the vvery same in console, application starts. Maube rc.local start before x-server or some other stuff that prevents java from starting proreply? where is it better to start it (propably rc.local is not the best place)?
[06:33] <LamerMan> * i place the string "java -jar my.jar&" in rc.local
[06:35] <Lynoure> LamerMan: what kind of application is it? if it requires gui, it cannot get it at that stage yet
[06:35] <LamerMan> yeah, it need gui
[06:36] <LamerMan> *needs
[06:36] <Lynoure> LamerMan: should work from .kde/Autostart , I think
[06:36] <LamerMan> ok, thank, i'll try it
[06:43] <m0u5e> is there a kde4 metapackage?
[06:47] <m0u5e> anyone know?
[06:47] <m0u5e> anyone know if there is a kde4 metapackage?
[06:48] <flick> yes there is
[06:48] <flick> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[06:48] <m0u5e> do you know what it is/
[06:48] <m0u5e> t
[06:48] <m0u5e> *ty
[06:48] <flick> gives step by step for how to install
[06:49] <m0u5e> i already did that, but i don't have much besides a really basic desktop
[06:49] <m0u5e> are there any other kde4 meta packages?
[06:49] <flick> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/01/15/ten-tips-for-kde-40-beginners/
[06:49] <flick> that link has some good stuff
[06:50] <flick> and if you search in Synaptic for "kde4" you'll see a lot of stuff you can install
[06:50] <flick> there's a kde4 version of Kopete
[06:50] <flick> lots of other kde4 goodness
[06:51] <flick> it just isn't all installed by default
[06:51] <flick> hope that helps a little at least
[06:53] <m0u5e> okay thx
[06:53] <flick> you're welcome
[06:53] <flick> have fun
[07:08] <len> If you have a module that lucks up your system on boot, how do you remove that module from the modules list if that module causes your system to lock before you can get to the file to edit it?  Is there a grub cheat code to skip loading most most modules or something so you can to the file do disable it?  I tried recovery mode, but it still loaded the module.
[07:08] <len> locks
[07:10] <makers_mark> i'm running ubuntu 7.10 and i set up my webcam to work with skype and kopete but it just won't work for another admin account.
[07:13] <crimsun> len: you could try using init=/bin/bash
[07:14] <crimsun> len: at that point you could remount / rw, edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist, save it, sync, remount / ro, and reboot
[07:16] <len> That sounds like what I'm looking for.  You mean hold the esc key down at boot and type init=bin/bash on the grub line?
[07:18] <len> It's not my machine.  I have to step someone over the  phone.  I'd just tell him to boot a live cd, edit the file and reboot, but he doesn't have a working livecd and can't get one 'cause he's getting locked on boot.  Catch-22.
[07:19] <oscar> can anybody explain to me
[07:19] <oscar> why does not amd do drivers for mobility radeon hd-series?
[07:19] <CppIsWeird> I upgraded to 7.10 from 7.04 and now my sound plays these ultra high pitched squeals. Any ideas as to a course of action?
[07:22] <JoshOvki> lots of kde4 updates this morning
[07:22] <justin_> where can i get a easy to use C++ compiler
[07:22] <JoshOvki> a GUI or command line one?
[07:22] <justin_> KDE should come with one kalled kompile
[07:22] <justin_> GUI
[07:22] <justin_> im learning still
[07:24] <JoshOvki> yours didnt come with it did it?
[07:24] <justin_> kubuntu 7.10 x86_64
[07:24] <justin_> it came with no dev tools whatsoever
[07:25] <len> kdevelop
[07:25] <justin_> i have that how do i compile
[07:25] <JoshOvki> open up command line and run      sudo apt-get install kompile
[07:26] <justin_> haha how did i know it would be called kompile
[07:26] <Daisuke_Ido> justin_: install build-essential
[07:27] <Daisuke_Ido> but for the most part, if you CAN install from the repos, do, they're there for a reason.
[07:28] <justin_> so uh how do i compile my .cpp file
[07:29] <justin_> its the simple hello world
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> first, install build-essential
[07:29] <Daisuke_Ido> !compile
[07:29] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[07:31] <justin_> #include <iostream>
[07:32] <justin_> int main();
[07:32] <justin_> int main()
[07:32] <justin_> {
[07:32] <justin_> std::cout << "Hello World!\;
[07:32] <justin_> return 0;
[07:32] <justin_> }
[07:32] <justin_> does that look bugless
[07:33] <justin_> i just out of the blue today decided i want to learn C++
[07:34] <JoshOvki> i learnt it ages ago and there are a couple of problems with your code
[07:34] <ethan961> haha
[07:35] <ethan961> no not that
[07:35] <JoshOvki> for examaple you havent closed your speachmarks are the end on Hello World
[07:36] <CppIsWeird> hes gone buddy
[07:37] <JoshOvki> ah ok
[07:37] <JoshOvki> i should have saved my keystrokes :P
[07:39] <ubuntu> ok so i ended up using the text installer
[07:39] <ubuntu> and it failed loading grub... i have *never* seen grub fail to load.  everything else i'm assuming is fine... so can i save it?
[07:40] <JoshOvki> i have seen grub fail a few times
[07:40] <arrrghhh> well
[07:40] <arrrghhh> i'm pretty new to linux
[07:40] <arrrghhh> installed about 10 maybe unique machines
[07:41] <arrrghhh> and this one has been the worst... other than that dell vostro which failed completely.
[07:41] <arrrghhh> so can i save the install?  i really don't want to have to go thru that again.
[07:41] <JoshOvki> ive installed it on about 20 machines, at first i had problems, but not i have vert little
[07:42] <Lynoure> Getting to choose the hw helps :)
[07:42] <JoshOvki> i think you can arrrghhh
[07:42] <arrrghhh> ok...
[07:42] <JoshOvki> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=81311
[07:42] <JoshOvki> read that arrrrghhh
[07:43] <JoshOvki> ubuntu  what error is grub giving?
[07:43] <arrrghhh> JoshOvki: that's not even close to what i need
[07:44] <arrrghhh> and when i installed the os grub and lilo failed
[07:44] <arrrghhh> they simply would not install
[07:44] <arrrghhh> wouldn't really give a reason, just couldn't
[07:44] <arrrghhh> and i had to finish the install without it, and now of course when i boot from the hdd i get "failed to load operating system" or whatever
[07:45] <makers_mark> hi.i run ubuntu 7.10 and i managed to install my webcam to work with skype and kopete.but the problem is that the webcam won't work with another admin account on the same pc.any help?
[07:47] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: lilo and grub are a bit mutually exclusive  (or did I misunderstand what you meant...)
[07:48] <JoshOvki> sorry arrrrg i misinturprited something
[07:48] <zorglu_> q. when i unlog from ssh, it frequently freezes. where should i look to be able to fix it ?
[07:49] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: i just want to install grub
[07:49] <arrrghhh> i have a complete install, but no bootloader
[07:50] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: then (make a rescue disk and) remove lilo, install grub.
[07:50] <arrrghhh> http://pastebin.com/d2b5a303
[07:51] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: lilo wouldn't install either
[07:51] <Lynoure> zorglu_: sshd freezes?
[07:51] <JoshOvki> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=224351    has how to install grub
[07:51] <zorglu_> Lynoure: nope, the client ssh. and only when i unlog
[07:51] <zorglu_> Lynoure: not all the time tho. sometime it works without issue
[07:51] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: your pastebin did not contain anything about the errors you got...
[07:52] <zorglu_> Lynoure: unfortunatly i cant figure out what cause it. all that is over LAN between 2 ubuntu i386
[07:52] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: sorry http://pastebin.com/m39d50fc8
[07:53] <arrrghhh> and the error when installing kubuntu was just 'grub could not be installed' - it didn't give me any explanation as to why.  lilo did the same thing, just said it could not be installed.
[07:54] <JoshOvki> this using the same CD both times?
[07:54] <Lynoure> zorglu_: If the remote hangs up on you, instead of you user logging out, then it is quite normal for it to hang for a bit... I guess you could strace the process while it has frozen, but often these 'sometimes' errors are timeconsuming to look into
[07:55] <zorglu_> Lynoure: ok. this is not the usual 'timeout' issue. this one i got it fixed by configuration :) this is only when i do ctrl-d. then it stay frozen forever (well at least 5min, which is the most i have waited before doing killall ssh)
[07:56] <zorglu_> Lynoure: ok i will do strace next time. btw i asked a friend of mine and he experiences the same issue
[07:57] <arrrghhh> Lynoure: so was that the wrong way to install grub?
[07:58] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: not really, if you want to do it manually... I guess you had reasons for that
[07:59] <arrrghhh> well
[07:59] <arrrghhh> it didn't work
[07:59] <arrrghhh> is there any other way to save the install?
[08:00] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: what do you mean by "save the install"? make a clone of the whole disk, rescue the effort that has gone into installing, something else?
[08:00] <arrrghhh> no no... like the install is done, it just needs a bootloader
[08:00] <Lynoure> It's weird if it did not put it there itself...
[08:01] <arrrghhh> it tried to
[08:01] <arrrghhh> but gave me an error
[08:01] <Lynoure> Was that this Error 15 then too, or something else?
[08:01] <arrrghhh> said it couldn't do it... i really wish i knew why.  i'm wondering if this hdd is messed up, i don't know
[08:02] <arrrghhh> well the error i received when the actual grub installer tried from the kubuntu install it just said it couldn't do it, this is a fatal error you'll need to manually start linux etc
[08:03] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: many people have found what they need by using the supergrub disk
[08:04] <arrrghhh> shoot i was hoping to not burn more cd's lol
[08:04] <Lynoure> arrrghhh: there is a usb image
[08:06] <serg> Hi all tell me please how to switch between boot modes without reboot?
[08:07] <JoshOvki> what an odd question
[08:09] <Lynoure> JoshOvki: probably meant runlevels... but too impatient
[08:11] <Richard_Balls> http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6018/grubsj9.jpg
[08:11] <Richard_Balls> plz halp
[08:12] <oscar> Does anybody know about a good subtitute for msn for kubuntu? AMsn and Kmess dont really like me
[08:13] <JoshOvki> oscar: pidgin    is pretty good
[08:13] <JoshOvki> Richard, where does that appear to?
[08:13] <Richard_Balls> when I boot that's what I see
[08:13] <oscar> kk ty will try
[08:14] <Richard_Balls> instead of normal GRUB
[08:14] <JoshOvki> Richard: You could try reinstalling GRUB
[08:16] <Richard_Balls> JoshOvki, using super grub disk I get 'ERROR 25: disk read error" when trying to boot to kubuntu or repair grub
[08:20] <JoshOvki> can you put your menu.lst anywhere for me to have a look at?
[08:27] <wa> hi
[08:27] <wa> someone knows a program like devede for the K desktop?
[08:27] <Richard_Balls> JoshOvki, I cannot boot to any operating system
[08:28] <Richard_Balls> i'll try knoppix
[08:28] <NickPresta> wa, what's wrong with devede?
[08:29] <wa> i would like to have a qt prog :)
[08:29] <NickPresta> wa, I don't believe a QT4 equivalent of devede exists.
[08:30] <wa> ui saw mandvd
[08:30] <dhq> !source
[08:30] <NickPresta> You could always (try to) port devede to QT :)
[08:30] <ubotu> You can easily fetch a package's source with apt-get. See: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-sourcehandling.en.html
[08:30] <wa> but i would like to know if it can convert
[08:30] <dhq> !source-o-matic
[08:30] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:30] <dhq> the source o matic page is no more
[08:31] <NickPresta> wa, actually, try qdvdauthor. That might be what you're looking for.
[08:31] <wa> but my dvd player can't read avis
[08:32] <NickPresta> wa, I'm not sure what else to suggest.
[08:36] <Richard|knoppix> pastebin
[08:37] <Richard|knoppix> putting my menu.lst in a pastebin
[08:38] <Richard|knoppix> http://richardb.pastebin.com/f6d33679
[08:39] <zorglu_> q. does gutsy kernel include cfs (completly fair cheduler) ?
[08:39] <Richard_Balls> JoshOvki?
[08:40] <posingaspopular> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=498073
[08:40] <posingaspopular> @ zorglu_ ^^
[08:41] <zorglu_> posingaspopular: this means yes or no ?
[08:41] <zorglu_> im guessing no, is it correct ?
[08:42] <sigma_1234> when i output to tv out the screen displays too much to the right. how can i center it or move it left?
[08:42] <posingaspopular> if i read the correctly, it's included and not enabled by defualt
[08:42] <zorglu_> posingaspopular: ok thanks
[08:42] <JoshOvki> Richard_Balls: sorry about that was compairing and everything looks fine
[08:42] <Richard_Balls> ok
[08:43] <Richard_Balls> then I don't know what the problem is :/
[08:44] <JoshOvki> It seems very odd
[08:45] <JoshOvki> could you reinstall the whole lot, all of kubuntu?
[08:45] <sigma_1234> kde
[08:45] <Richard_Balls> this has happened twice
[08:45] <JoshOvki> same disk?
[08:45] <Richard_Balls> I installed kubuntu, updated, rebooted
[08:45] <Richard_Balls> yes
[08:46] <Richard_Balls> and this happened with grub
[08:46] <Richard_Balls> so I reinstalled kubuntu
[08:46] <icewaterman> why is there already a version 1.0.5-2ubuntu2.1 out and deployed if packages.ubuntu.com still lists the 2:1.0.5-2ubuntu2 ?
[08:46] <JoshOvki> could be a faulty part of the disk. when i installed kubuntu hardy i had a problem with getting to anything that wasnt my home dir, it turned out to be a problem with the iso i used
[08:49] <Chin1> help please
[08:49] <Chin1> i'm trying to install my nVIDIA Go 7950 GTX...
[08:50] <Chin1> I've tried the Synaptic, manually, etc... and I just can't.... what can i do?
[08:50] <icewaterman> Chin1: cross your fingers...
[08:50] <icewaterman> Chin1: nvidia graphics has nothing to do with touchpad though
[08:50] <Chin1> HELP PLEASE...>!!! i've trying for 6 days.. :(
[08:51] <Chin1> ???
[08:51] <Chin1> i'll really appreciate any help...!!!
[08:52] <arrrghhh> ok so super grub didn't even save it
[08:52] <jussi01> Chin1: ok, please calm down, and tell me exactly what you have done.
[08:52] <arrrghhh> i still get an error 15: file missing
[08:53] <icewaterman> Chin1: for your synaptics touchpad try to handle it as a normal ps2 device for starters. and for the nvidia graphics card: you rely on binary drivers from nvidia - bug them, noone here can help you. another approach is to try the nv driver (it is open source but offers no 3d acceleration).
[08:53] <arrrghhh> that was obnoxious
[08:54] <arrrghhh> anyone have any ideas?
[08:54] <arrrghhh> i figured supergrub could handle it, but no go.  same result.
[08:54] <jussi01> arrrghhh: whats the prob?
[08:55] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: same here.
[08:55] <Chin1> well, i fully installed the UBUNTU, after that the OS is runnign under the lowest Resolution, i guess from the Mother Board Video Card, not my actual video card...!!!
[08:55] <blaz> hi
[08:55] <jussi01> Chin1: are you running ubuntu or kubuntu?
[08:55] <icewaterman> Chin1: manually edit xorg.conf to include your graphics card. google for how to do that.
[08:55] <blaz> is this ok that kdebase-bin-kde3 will be removed after I have apt-get install kde4-core ?
[08:55] <icewaterman> Chin1: another hint: disable onboard graphics in systems bios.
[08:55] <Chin1> I RELOAD the Synaptic Package Manager to see if it would install the NEW/GOOD driver for my video card, and NOTHING..
[08:56] <JoshOvki> arrrghhh: apparently deleteing the   savedefault    line is ment to sort it out?
[08:56] <arrrghhh> uhm the kubuntu installer failed at the grub installation.  lilo wouldn't go either.  didn't give me an error just "i can't do this"  and now when i'm trying to install grub after everything else is already installed, i get the same error
[08:56] <arrrghhh> JoshOvki, deleting what savedefault?
[08:56] <JoshOvki> a line in your menu.lst
[08:56] <icewaterman> Chin1: you installed ubuntu - you are in the wrong channel, kubuntu does not use synaptic package manager, try #ubuntu instead
[08:57] <Chin1> after that went to nVIDIA, check their DRIVER for Linux 32, downloaded it, tryed to installed manually in the Terminal, using the SUDO...and it runs, but STOPS and gave me an error...!!!
[08:57] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: do an md5sum check on the iso you downloaded
[08:57] <Chin1> thats what i did...!!! After that I got stock...!!!
[08:57] <arrrghhh> icewaterman, already did, passes
[08:57] <JoshOvki> arrrghhh: i cant see how it can work. take a look at this:   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439266
[08:58] <icewaterman> Chin1: -> #ubuntu
[08:58] <arrrghhh> so that's fstab i'm editing?
[08:58] <arrrghhh> lemme see
[08:59] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: did you choose some fancy filesystem for / ?
[08:59] <arrrghhh> ext3?
[08:59] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: ok, thats not fancy
[08:59] <icewaterman> should be fine
[08:59] <arrrghhh> is there a way to boot a rescue mode from the livecd?
[08:59] <arrrghhh> linux rescue or rescue don't work
[08:59] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: you could always try knoppix
[09:00] <arrrghhh> yea i think i have a cd sittin around here
[09:00] <arrrghhh> sheesh this is way more trouble than i've ever had with ubuntu
[09:00] <JoshOvki> install ubuntu and do     apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:06] <arrrghhh> i don't see how an fstab entry prevents supergrub from installing grub on my drive...
[09:11] <arrrghhh> uhm my /boot/grub directory is empty
[09:11] <arrrghhh> can i install grub on an installed o/s from knoppix?
[09:11] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: of course
[09:12] <arrrghhh> how?
[09:12] <icewaterman> knoppix comes with grub, so just look into the grub manual how to install it. you will of course get an old grub version this way, but it'll work and you can always replace it with the one from ubuntu later
[09:12] <arrrghhh> i couldn't install knoppix with supergrub
[09:12] <arrrghhh> dedr
[09:12] <arrrghhh> i couldn't install grub with supergrub
[09:12] <icewaterman> arrrghhh: -> google: grub install howto
[09:12] <arrrghhh> i'm tired
[09:13] <jussi01> !grub
[09:13] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:13] <jussi01> arrrghhh: just use the lost grub after windows tutorial
[09:13] <arrrghhh> that's not what happened but ok
[09:14] <jussi01> arrrghhh: I know, but its the same proceedure :)
[09:14] <arrrghhh> well i've tried that... and it doesn't work because my /boot/grub directory is empty
[09:14] <arrrghhh> and this assumes that there's something in there!
[09:15] <jussi01> arrrghhh: hmmm... there is a way to do it vi the live cd...
[09:15] <arrrghhh> grub-install looks promising
[09:23] <JoshOvki> arrrghhh any luck yet?
[09:24] <arrrghhh> well no
[09:24] <arrrghhh> knoppix keeps lockin on me
[09:31] <arrrghhh> ugh this is ridiculous
[09:33] <JoshOvki> arrrghhh if i was you i would pack trying to fix it in, install ubuntu and install kubuntu-desktop on top of that
[09:34] <arrrghhh> why would ubuntu install any better?
[09:35] <la> hy
[09:35] <JoshOvki> ive always had better luck install ubuntu than kubuntu
[09:35] <blaz> hi
[09:35] <la> could somebody give me some kubuntu optimization hacks?
[09:36] <la> or a link
[09:36] <blaz> I have installed kde4 and enabled desktop effects and now I get a black screen with visible cursor and thats all :/ Is there any option to disable dekstop effects ?
[09:37] <JoshOvki> blaz you need   #kubuntu-kde4
[09:38] <blaz> JoshOvki: thanks. Didnt know that
[09:38] <blaz> humm its in topic :P didnt see it :/
[09:39] <JoshOvki> blaz: no worries :)
[09:40] <la> hey, people, how could y make my kubuntu run faster?
[09:40] <la> global/individual programs, like firefox, openoffice
[09:51] <arrrghhh> so to change the root password, all i have to do is be root and type "passwd" at the prompt?  will that change it for the user login as well?'
[09:52] <llutz> arrrghhh: why should it?
[09:52] <arrrghhh> i have no idea
[09:52] <jussi01> arrrghhh: why are you trying to change root password? there should be no root password...
[09:52] <arrrghhh> all i know is i'm installing another ubuntu
[09:52] <arrrghhh> and i don't know what pw she wants
[09:52] <arrrghhh> so i know i'll need to change it later
[09:52] <hw> How can I get rid of this useless (for me) kwallet service? Everytime I send an email or start kopete this annoying kwallet passwd question pops up. kwalletmanager is already removed. I work on feisty...
[09:52] <la> how about recompiling the kernel?
[09:53] <arrrghhh> hw isn't there a way to opt to simply not use the kwallet service?
[09:53] <llutz> hw: stop that service in kwallet settings menu
[09:53] <jussi01> hw: just set the kwallet pw to nothing
[09:53] <la> i don't think that kwallet is the major resource eater in kubuntu
[09:53] <la> :-?
[09:53] <arrrghhh> so do i just type passwd at the prompt then without doing sudo -i?
[09:53] <la> other ideas?
[09:53] <jussi01> !kernel | la
[09:53] <ubotu> la: The core of the Ubuntu Operating System is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, but if you're convinced you do, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile - For more: /msg ubotu stages
[09:54] <blaz> is there any easy way how to install nvidia drivers ?
[09:54] <jussi01> !ati | blaz
[09:54] <ubotu> blaz: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:54] <arrrghhh> blaz, restricted drivers manager
[09:54] <blaz> thanks
[09:55] <arrrghhh> so anyone?  how do i change a user's password?
[09:55] <llutz> type "passwd" and change it
[09:55] <arrrghhh> that's what i thought
[09:55] <arrrghhh> i don't need to sudo -i or anything
[09:55] <arrrghhh> or sudo su - or whatever
[09:56] <llutz> just do, don't ask
[09:56] <arrrghhh> ok that's the most retarded statment i've ever heard
[09:56] <llutz> read "man passwd"
[09:56] <arrrghhh> y'know i try to find out things about linux, but when you act like that... just disrespectful.
[10:01] <MaskedOne> any interesting questions tonight need answering?
[10:03] <llutz> MaskedOne: sure: why did the ubuntu-team again realease broken xorg-packages? :)
[10:04] <MaskedOne> I don't have any problems with them, what problems are you having?
[10:05] <llutz> none, but lots of other guys had after updateing xorg yesterday. puts a "bad light" on distro
[10:06] <doton> hey
[10:06] <MaskedOne> I haven't even seen updates lol, though im using Kubuntu not Ubuntu
[10:06] <MaskedOne> doton whats up?
[10:07] <ksweeley> Hello, I am new to Kubuntu and I have just installed the 64-bit version and I am trying to install Creative's 64-bit driver for my Sound Blaster X-Fi and I keep getting "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables See `config.log' for more details." Can anyone help?
[10:08] <MaskedOne> Basically using a 64-bit OS is asking for trouble, untill the technology is more developed and the software as well
[10:08] <ksweeley> Well, Creative only has a 64 bit driver for Linux for the Sound Blaster X-Fi card.
[10:09] <ksweeley> I don't understand why Creative didn't release a 32-bit driver for Linux for the Sound Blaster X-Fi.
[10:10] <hw> Ok, now I have set "load-on-demand" of the kde wallet service to disabled and now kopete doesn't start anymore. Any ideas how to get rid of kwallet service and keep kopete working? =)
[10:11] <ksweeley> So, does anyone know why this error is popping up: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"?
[10:11] <llutz> MaskedOne: i was referring to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/183969    which doesn't matter if you use kubuntu or ubuntu. But be happy if you haven't had any trouble (it's fixed right now)
[10:11] <llutz> ksweeley: you need to install build-essential
[10:11] <ksweeley> And where can I install build-essential?
[10:12] <llutz> sudo aptitude install build-essential
[10:18] <ksweeley> Okay, just installed build-essential and tried installing the drivers again, now I'm getting "make: *** [copy_modules] Error 1 Installation Unsuccessful"
[10:19] <llutz> ksweeley: you used "sudo make install"?
[10:19] <ksweeley> No.
[10:20] <Creationist> This may not be a Linux-related question, but I have recieved a few threatening emails and posts to my blog by a certain IP address.  Nothing bad enough to go to the police with, but I'm sure it's someone that I know.  Running a WHOIS on the IP places them in my state, but is there any way to narrow it down any further than that?
[10:20] <ksweeley> Like I said, I am completely new to Kubuntu.
[10:20] <llutz> then use it, you need root-rights to install modules
[10:20] <llutz> ksweeley: what are you trying to install?
[10:21] <ksweeley> Drivers for my Sound Blaster X-Fi card.
[10:21] <llutz> is that that card with the worst linux-support of all? ;) good luck
[10:21] <ksweeley> I've extracted the files and included is a "installer" file.
[10:22] <llutz> ksweeley: there should be a readme-file aswell
[10:22] <dhq> how do i recover my partition
[10:22] <ksweeley> Yes, it's "Readme.txt"
[10:24] <blaz> how I should install nvidia restricted drivers in hardy ? In system settings, under advanced tab, there is no option for restricted drivers
[10:25] <ksweeley> Okay, interesting, I tried using "installer --with-alsainc=" and now the installer states "Installation Complete" Does this mean that if I reboot Kubuntu, sound should work?
[10:27] <ardchoille> blaz: Hardy support in #ubuntu+1
[10:27] <blaz> I just found it :) Thanks
[10:27] <indikut> Anyone good with ffmpeg and/or mencoder, converting divx to mpeg2 files?
[10:40] <blackflag> Hello all
[10:40] <blackflag> I installed kde4 , since that I have no sound with amarok and kaffeine
[10:40] <blackflag> I uninstalled kde4 but the sound is not coming back
[10:41] <blackflag> soundserver is activated
[10:41] <blackflag> and alsa is used
[10:41] <se7en> !kde4 | blackflag
[10:41] <ubotu> blackflag: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[10:41] <blackflag> what is is wrong
[10:42] <blackflag> thanks!
[10:47] <matttis> !test > matttis
[10:48] <Ayabara> anyone with a ps3 here? I want to stream media from my laptop to my PS3, and need help getting started
[10:52] <se7en> how was the command to find out on what code name i am again
[10:53] <matttis> se7en: what do yyou mean ? "whoami" ?
[10:53] <matttis> xchat always complains that libnotify isn't installed. does anyone know the correct package name ?
[10:54] <se7en> matttis: no i mean feisty, gutsy ...
[10:55] <matttis> se7en: well i don't know
[10:58] <blaz_> is there any tool to check if X11 conf is ok ?
[11:00] <llutz> se7en: lsb_release -a
[11:01] <se7en> thanks llutz
[11:01] <sigma_1234> !eeepc
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about eeepc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:02] <sigma_1234> whats the link to the community page on the eeepc?
[11:02] <sigma_1234> eeepc
[11:03] <jussi01> sigma_1234: why dont you go use the search function on the wiki?
[11:03] <llutz> why don't you ask google instead of ubotu? ;)
[11:03] <se7en> asuc.com
[11:03] <sigma_1234> it doesnt work on opera mini :(
[11:04] <sigma_1234> the search function that is
[11:04] <jussi01> sigma_1234: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EeePC?highlight=%28eee%29
[11:06] <sigma_1234> thanks!
[11:07] <IndikuT> The EeePC. Sweet little box.
[11:07] <IndikuT> :)
[11:13] <bazhang> try #eeepc
[11:31] <|Quest|> how can i see system stats, an app that shows big variety of sys stats. memory load, cup, internet speed.. etc ?
[11:32] <ardchoille> |Quest|: ksysguard  Look at the "Sensor Browser" and the System Load tab
[11:36] <ardchoille> |Quest|: You can create a new worksheet: File > New worksheet  and then drag sensors to it from the Sensor Browser
[11:39] <|Quest|> ardchoille ok. i wanted an app to be one my desktop always
[11:39] <|Quest|> will that do it?
[11:39] <ardchoille> |Quest|: For an app that can do that, I use gkrellm. It's a nice system monitoring app and there are some plugins in the repos for it too
[11:40] <ardchoille> |Quest|: And, it's skinnable :)
[11:41] <ardchoille> |Quest|: apt-cache search --names-only gkrellm
[11:41] <vijay_> i cant edit wvdial.conf  file --- message i got "could not save the file /etc/wvdial.conf"
[11:42] <ardchoille> !sudo | vijay_  That would require sudo
[11:42] <ubotu> vijay_  That would require sudo: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[11:43] <ardchoille> vijay_: Or, if you're using a gui app to edit it, it would require kdesudo
[11:44] <|Quest|> ardchoille ok
[11:44] <|Quest|> ardchoille i hope its versatile . and includes network moniter graph and speed
[11:45] <CppIsWeird> how can i make a shortcut to mouse settings?
[11:46] <CppIsWeird> or is there any way i can from command line switch my mouse orientation from left to right?
[11:56] <|Quest|> how to make kubuntu installed into pendrive and that install would work for ALL hardware and ALL other computers?
[11:59] <DArtagnan> hello
[12:00] <DArtagnan> is anyoane that could help me please? I writing now from a windows laptop, my kubuntu desktop doesn't have network connection
[12:00] <DArtagnan> the dhcp simply doesn't work
[12:03] <DArtagnan> any idea what to do? :-)
[12:07] <Gunirus> u
[12:07] <Gunirus> wb profoX` :p
[12:07] <profoX`> Gunirus: :p
[12:07] <profoX`> Gunirus: how do you take care of your excess floods ? :p
[12:08] <Gunirus> i had 4 yesterday :p
[12:08] <Gunirus> connection problem
[12:08] <Gunirus> :)
[12:08] <Gunirus> fixed it with dome scripts
[12:09] <profoX`> Gunirus: you join a few channels on start-up, and a few channels after N seconds?
[12:09] <Gunirus> yes
[12:16] <extremis> hi... I am a n00b and I need help getting kde4 to use the kwin effects like shadows/translucency/expose/etc and I am using vmware fusion and running the kubuntu kde4 livecd installed version of kubuntu.. none of the effects are working and I am curious what steps I have missed
[12:16] <extremis> all the effects are enabled in system settings -> display
[12:17] <extremis> I'm guessing that compiz isn't enabled... but I assumed that the livecd would install everything I needed
[12:17] <extremis> could someone lend me a hand please
[12:17] <|Quest|> how to make kubuntu installed into pendrive and that install would work for ALL hardware and ALL x86 other computers?
[12:17] <extremis> quest: I am assuming you install a generic kernel
[12:18] <extremis> you can't possibly support everything though
[12:18] <ardchoille> !kde4 | extremis
[12:18] <ubotu> extremis: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:18] <extremis> best you can do is support a majority of the hardware you use
[12:18] <extremis> joining the proper channel
[12:18] <extremis> thanks
[12:29] <extremis> nobody is alive in kubuntu-kde
[12:29] <extremis> could someone help me with kde4?
[12:31] <ardchoille> extremis: If all the kde4 support takes place in #kubuntu-kde4, why do you think you have a better chance of support here?
[12:31] <extremis> I'm not convinced that everyone in here is running kde4
[12:31] <extremis> s/kde4/kde3
[12:32] <|Quest|> extremis whats the problem
[12:32] <extremis> I'm unfamiliar with the requirements of the livecd version of kubuntu/kde4 to enable the compiz like effects (translucency/shadows/expose/etc)
[12:32] <|Quest|> try #kde
[12:32] <extremis> by default it is lacking those features it seems
[12:33] <extremis> and the site setup doesn't include steps to enable those features... I have enabled them in system settings -> display with no results
[12:33] <extremis> so, I am assuming it is something simple like I am not running the right Xserve
[12:33] <extremis> or that my hardware just lacks the ability since I am running inside of vmware fusion
[12:34] <extremis> does the livecd, upon install, configure the Xserve to support those features?
[12:34] <extremis> or do I need to install a new Xserve, or install additional packages?
[12:36] <extremis> quest?
[12:37] <extremis> these questions are primarilly focused around the kubuntu/kde4 livecd recently released
[12:39] <extremis> well, I guess I am someone else's problem then... this channel isn't as friendly as expected
[12:40] <|Quest|> try #kde :)
[12:40] <extremis> they try to pass the buck just like you
[12:40] <extremis> they of course tell me to come here
[12:40] <|Quest|> you are just out of luck. nothing else is wrong
[12:40] <|Quest|> #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[12:40] <extremis> so you are telling me that it installs and enables everything I need by default?
[12:41] <|Quest|> iam new too
[12:41] <extremis> because I do know that the effects were disabled under the display settings, I am assuming that more needs to be configured
[12:41] <extremis> quest, ahhh... well that makes sense
[12:41] <extremis> the documentation on the livecd is pretty much nonexistent
[12:41] <extremis> "install the livecd" "good luck"
[12:44] <Richard_Balls> I'm having some serious problems with fglrx
[12:44] <Richard_Balls> is there any way I can switch the graphics driver I'm using without a restart
[12:46] <ardchoille> Richard_Balls: After switching the driver, you simply need to restart xorg, doesn't require q reboot: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[12:48] <se7en_> somebody uses kde4 earth widget i get opengl shaders not supported
[12:48] <ardchoille> Richard_Balls: Be sure to save all work before running that command, tho, it restarts the display manager
[12:48] <ardchoille> !kde4 | se7en_
[12:48] <ubotu> se7en_: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:49] <ubunturos> can one directly upgrade to 7.10 from 6.06 ? (using the alternate CD)?
[12:49] <ardchoille> !upgrade | ubunturos
[12:49] <ubotu> ubunturos: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:50] <enry> good morning
[12:51] <krabador> hey people, the kubuntu live cd in http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[12:52] <krabador> is a regular kubuntu cd with kde 4.0.0 inside
[12:52] <krabador> or
[12:52] <krabador> is only demonstrative?
[12:52] <ubunturos> krabador: I assume, it is just a KDE 4.0.0 demo
[12:53] <ubunturos> krabador: doesn't seem to be good enough for a day-to-day activities for end users
[12:54] <krabador> if i want use kde4 , i must install kubuntu and late kde4 following the instructions?
[12:54] <ardchoille> !kde4 | krabador
[12:54] <ubotu> krabador: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[12:55] <Richard_Balls> ardchoille, yeah I ended up restarting, but thanks
[12:55] <Richard_Balls> I couldn't see anything
[13:02] <new2Kubuntu> hi guys i have installed Kubuntu gutsy. I didn't have mp3 support so i started searching and found that i need to install libxine-extracodecs. i run sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs but receive "couldn't find package libxine-extracodecs" . any ideas?
[13:03] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: install libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:04] <new2Kubuntu> ardchoille:
[13:04] <new2Kubuntu> Package libxine1-ffmpeg is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[13:04] <new2Kubuntu> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[13:04] <new2Kubuntu> is only available from another source
[13:04] <vijay_> found massage "The APT Database could not be opened!... wht to do?
[13:04] <ardchoille> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:04] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: mpeg related plugins for libxine1. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.7-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 435 kB, installed size 908 kB
[13:05] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: Did you disable the universe repo? If not, can you pastebin your sources.list so I canhave a look?
[13:05] <ardchoille> !pastebin | new2Kubuntu
[13:05] <ubotu> new2Kubuntu: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:05] <se7en_> how do i use k3b to rip dvds
[13:05] <new2Kubuntu> ok just a sec
[13:05] <ardchoille> se7en_: k9copy does a better job of that, imho
[13:06] <se7en_> thanks ardchoille i never got k3b working for ripping
[13:06] <ardchoille> se7en_: Neither have I
[13:07] <se7en_> cool than i dont have to feel stupid
[13:07] <ardchoille> hehe
[13:08] <new2Kubuntu> ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52574/
[13:10] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: You have universe enabled. What does this command reuturn:  apt-cache search libxine1-ffmpeg
[13:11] <new2Kubuntu> ardchoille: nothing
[13:11] <new2Kubuntu> i press enter and it just goes to the prompt again
[13:11] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: update your sources and try again: sudo apt-get update
[13:15] <new2Kubuntu> ardchoille: thnx it worked! i am now installing libxine1. what was wrong (i'm trying to understand ubuntu :) )
[13:16] <new2Kubuntu> what did sudo apt-get update do?
[13:16] <zorglu_> Lynoure: are you here?
[13:16] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: Your package lists were outdated. the command I gave you updated them.
[13:16] <new2Kubuntu> oh ok thanx alot
[13:16] <ardchoille> new2Kubuntu: yw
[13:18] <zorglu_> Lynoure: ok i hope you log, yesterday we talked about my ssh sometime freezing when i do ctrl-d. i found the reason. this is because from process still have stdin/stdout/stderr still open on the tty. so ssh wait for their completion to close the connection
[13:19] <vijay_> error massage "The APT Database could not be opened" wht to do?
[13:20] <Minnozz> Hi, you guys know an easy way to properly calibrate my monitor (color levels, gamma)?
[13:20] <ardchoille> vijay_: Does it say anothe rprocess is using the database?
[13:21] <vijay_> no ardchoille/
[13:21] <zzr> Minnozz: Some monitor has a self-calibrate button. Do you talk about it?
[13:21] <vijay_> it saying "This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[13:21] <Minnozz> zzr: I mean that I want the colors displayed on my monitor to be exactly right
[13:22] <Lynoure> zorglu_: Thanks for telling what was the cause, I kinda should have thought about that, but I think it was very late my time.
[13:23] <zorglu_> Lynoure: cool, thank for your help :)
[13:24] <zzr> Minnozz: What do you mean by "exactly right"?
[13:25] <Lynoure> zorglu_: Was not that much help this time :)
[13:25] <zorglu_> :)
[13:25] <mefisto__> is there a way to find out exactly what the ubuntu updates are fixing (that would make sense to a mere mortal)?
[13:25] <Bandit12> when i echo $PATH where is it getting the information for the paths from?
[13:25] <vijay_> when i run apt-get update   massgae is "E: Type 'firefox' is not known on line 76 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:26] <zzr> vijay_: Your sources.list has some wrong lines.
[13:26] <ardchoille> vijay_: Please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[13:26] <ardchoille> !pastebin | vijay_
[13:26] <ubotu> vijay_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[13:27] <ibou> hi
[13:28] <vijay_> ok
[13:30] <mefisto__> so, does anyone know if I can find out about the updates?
[13:31] <ardchoille> mefisto__: Please elaborate
[13:31] <mefisto__> is there a way to find out exactly what the ubuntu updates are fixing (that would make sense to a mere mortal)?
[13:31] <llutz> mefisto__: aptitude changelog <packagename>               <- like this?
[13:32] <mefisto__> thanks llutz, I'll try that and see if I can make sense of it
[13:40] <MGalaxy> installing FontForge @ Gutsy, I get "libgutils.la" dependency error, which package should I install?
[13:50] <ardchoille> How do I find out which package provides foo.la ?
[13:51] <llutz> ardchoille:already installed foo.la or to be installed
[13:51] <llutz>  ?
[13:52] <llutz> ardchoille: if already installed: dpkg -S foo.la          if not, apt-file
[13:52] <_6502_> ahhhhhhhhhh... vlc stopped working and seems this is a common problem (last xorg update, i suppose) any known solution ?
[13:52] <ardchoille> llutz: That tells me there are two diff commans for those
[13:52] <ardchoille> llutz: Ah, thank you
[13:52] <Richard_Balls> me too, _6502_
[13:55] <_6502_> Richard_Balls: so ? did you revert to a previous xorg or are you just waiting hoping someone will fix it in next few weeks ?
[13:55] <MGalaxy> any APPs except Alien to install .RMPs directly?
[13:56] <ardchoille> MGalaxy: You shouldn't install .rpm files at all, it can cause problems. Kubuntu uses .deb packages
[13:56] <ardchoille> !alien
[13:56] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[13:57] <rajath> !Broadcom
[13:57] <ubotu> Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WifiDocs/Driver/Broadcom43xx
[13:57] <Richard_Balls> _6502_, praying
[13:58] <Richard_Balls> try #vlc, anyway
[13:58] <Richard_Balls> no
[13:58] <Richard_Balls> not #vlc, #videolan
[13:58] <MGalaxy> ardchoille: Alien almost always fails to convert RPMs
[13:58] <_6502_> richard eh... ok, i'll pray too then
[13:59] <ardchoille> MGalaxy: alien is dangerous anyway
[14:00] <michalo90> hello
[14:01] <michalo90> anybody there?
[14:03] <emilsedgh> !ask michalo90
[14:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ask michalo90 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[14:03] <emilsedgh> !ask | michalo90
[14:03] <ubotu> michalo90: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[14:03] <Richard_Balls> hello michalo90
[14:04] <michalo90> im searching for program which can converting audio formats
[14:04] <michalo90> i have kubu 7.10
[14:04] <michalo90> etc mp3 to m4a
[14:05] <Dragnslcr> You can try soundKonverter
[14:05] <michalo90> it is in repo?
[14:06] <michalo90> ok i downloading it :)
[14:08] <michalo90> i cant install it ;(
[14:08] <michalo90> error in /usr/share/mimelnk/audio/x-wavpack.desktop
[14:08] <smeril> how do i install firefox
[14:09] <smeril> and flash
[14:09] <michalo90> sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:09] <ardchoille> !flashissue | smeril
[14:09] <ubotu> smeril: The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[14:09] <smeril> and efter that comand?
[14:10] <ardchoille> smeril: then nothing.. firefox should be installed
[14:10] <smeril> i know i have installed that broken plugin
[14:10] <michalo90> i install flash without apt-get
[14:10] <michalo90> isntall firefox
[14:10] <smeril> for open suse i didnt have any problem like this
[14:10] <michalo90> and open etc youtube.com
[14:10] <ardchoille> smeril: This is not opensuse
[14:11] <michalo90> you should see manu to install flash
[14:11] <smeril> haha thats thruu
[14:11] <michalo90> i havent problem with java and flash on kubuntu
[14:11] <smeril> I have the icon for firefox but it wont start
[14:11] <smeril> do i need to restart ?
[14:12] <michalo90> try run firefox in konsole
[14:12] <ardchoille> michalo90: the current flash plugin uses libXEmbed which causes a problem in konqueror due to konqueror not supporting libXEmbed
[14:12] <smeril> what command i have to use
[14:12] <michalo90> firefox :D
[14:12] <mefisto__> smeril: it might just be taking a while starting up for the first time (creating your profile)
[14:13] <smeril> it says program is not installed when i try to run it from console
[14:13] <michalo90> you install it?
[14:16] <Jhq> plz help me
[14:16] <Richard_Balls> hi Jhq
[14:16] <Jhq> i hav airtel edge usb modem i dont know how to connect in kubuntu
[14:16] <michalo90> what modem?
[14:16] <michalo90> adsl?
[14:17] <smeril> yes i installed firefox with the comand and when i try to install it again it says that firefox are installed and up to date
[14:18] <Jhq> airtel edge usb modem
[14:18] <smeril> but when i run it from console it cant find it is it some missing sudo apt-get install firefoxplugin i need?
[14:18] <michalo90> network?
[14:18] <smeril> I also restarted the computer to be sure
[14:19] <Jhq> airtel
[14:19] <michalo90> you must install firmware to your modem
[14:19] <michalo90> try install ubudsl
[14:19] <michalo90> ubudsl.ubuntu.pl
[14:20] <Richard_Balls> it's for the EDGE network
[14:20] <michalo90> no
[14:20] <michalo90> for adsl
[14:20] <michalo90> and dsl
[14:20] <Jhq> yes edge network
[14:20] <michalo90> sory
[14:21] <Richard_Balls> he's connecting wirelessly to the internet, right?
[14:21] <michalo90> my mistake edge != eagle :D
[14:21] <Richard_Balls> "Airtel USB Modem is a card which can be inserted in your Laptop/Desktop's USB slot and hence your laptop/Desktop becomes truly mobile and you can access internet connectivity anytime anywhere."
[14:21] <michalo90> with pcmcia
[14:22] <mefisto__> smeril: do an update (sudo apt-get update) then try to reinstall firefox (sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox)
[14:22] <Jhq> yes i wil send u that like see
[14:23] <smeril> thanks i will try
[14:24] <mefisto__> is anyone here using the linux-rt kernel?
[14:24] <smeril> do i need to do anything after those two comands
[14:24] <michalo90> write lspcmcia
[14:24] <mefisto__> smeril: just type firefox to start it
[14:25] <smeril> bash: firefox commando cant be found
[14:25] <michalo90> try firefox-bin
[14:25] <smeril> same with that
[14:26] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, http://www.airtel.in/level2_t3data.aspx?path=1/106/179
[14:26] <jckl> is there a way i can get my titlebars in kde to have transparency like they do in gnome?
[14:26] <michalo90> yes
[14:26] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, see this link i hav this airtel usb modem
[14:26] <michalo90> found in configuration kde
[14:27] <jckl> i found a way but it only showed the bg image.. in gnome it shows what is behind the titlebar
[14:27] <smeril> soon i give up and go back to windows xp :(
[14:27] <jckl> like an icon or if there is another window behind it then it shows the window
[14:27] <Jhq> michalo90, http://www.airtel.in/level2_t3data.aspx?path=1/106/179
[14:28] <smeril> is there a way to get security updates for ubuntu
[14:28] <Jhq> how to config this usb modem in kubuntu
[14:30] <Jhq> michalo90, ???????????
[14:30] <michalo90> i dont know :(
[14:31] <smeril> soon i am ready to give somebody remote acces to fix this
[14:31] <michalo90> ssh? :D
[14:31] <jckl> fix what smeril
[14:31] <mefisto__> smeril: did you try to reinstall?
[14:31] <smeril> firefox i
[14:31] <smeril> yes
[14:31] <jckl> what is it doing
[14:32] <Jhq> plz any one knows how to config this modem in kubuntu http://www.airtel.in/level2_t3data.aspx?path=1/106/179
[14:32] <smeril> after i did reinstall it cant find the comand
[14:32] <smeril> i only get bash: firefox comando cant be found (in swedish)
[14:33] <Richard_Balls> Jhq, are you using it now?
[14:33] <Lynoure> smeril: you'll get security updates automatically through Adept
[14:33] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, now i m on windows xp n i want to use in kubuntu
[14:33] <mefisto__> smeril: are you typing it correctly? all lowercase "firefox"
[14:33] <Richard_Balls> ok
[14:34] <Richard_Balls> do you know the version number of your modem?
[14:34] <smeril> yes
[14:34] <jckl> smeril: did you try with using the path?
[14:34] <smeril> which one
[14:34] <smeril> reinstall?
[14:34] <mefisto__> smeril: /usr/bin/firefox
[14:35] <smeril> same with that one
[14:35] <smeril> But i have the icon thats wierd
[14:35] <smeril> and it says that firefox is installed when i try the install comand again
[14:35] <mefisto__> smeril: did the install finish ok? no errors?
[14:36] <smeril> yes
[14:36] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, i dont know
[14:37] <mefisto__> smeril: you can try to remove it (sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox) then install again (sudo apt-get install firefox)
[14:39] <Richard_Balls> Jhq, where can you find drivers for your modem?
[14:39] <smeril> Följande paket kommer att TAS BORT:
[14:39] <Richard_Balls> for xp
[14:39] <smeril>   firefox*
[14:39] <smeril> 0 uppgraderade, 0 nyinstallerade, 1 att ta bort och 0 ej uppgraderade.
[14:39] <smeril> Behöver hämta 0B arkiv.
[14:39] <smeril> Efter uppackning kommer 26,6MB att frigöras på disken.
[14:39] <smeril> Vill du fortsätta [J/n]? j
[14:39] <smeril> (Läser databasen ... 88959 filer och kataloger installerade.)
[14:39] <Lynoure> smeril: looks right for the remove...
[14:39] <smeril> Tar bort firefox ...
[14:39] <smeril> Raderar konfigurationsfiler för firefox ...
[14:39] <smeril> Processing triggers for libc6 ...
[14:39] <smeril> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
[14:39] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:40] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, they gav drivers cd with modem
[14:40] <Richard_Balls> Jhq, can you find them online anywhere?
[14:41] <smeril> only news is that it says firefox is not installed but you can install it typing sudo apt-get install firefox
[14:41] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, i dont know
[14:42] <Jhq> devices name is AIRTEL edge modem
[14:42] <smeril> before i took it away it was saying that comando cant be found
[14:43] <smeril> it is just going back and forward
[14:44] <Lynoure> smeril: the latter after   sudo apt-get install firefox?  And you are on gutsy (7.10)?
[14:45] <smeril> i think so whats the vommand to check what version i have
[14:45] <smeril> comand
[14:45] <jckl> smeril: uname -r
[14:45] <jckl> erm thats kernel
[14:46] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ uname -r
[14:46] <smeril> 2.6.22-14-generic
[14:46] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:46] <jckl> gots the right kernel for 7.10 lol
[14:46] <smeril> ?
[14:47] <jckl> what gui are you using
[14:47] <smeril> i dont know
[14:47] <ardchoille> smeril: lsb_release | grep -i release
[14:48] <smeril> No LSB modules are available.
[14:48] <ardchoille> smeril: lsb_release -a | grep -i release
[14:48] <ardchoille> sorry
[14:48] <smeril> No LSB modules are available.
[14:48] <smeril> Release:        7.10
[14:48] <ardchoille> That's Gutsy
[14:49] <smeril> is there anything i can do or do i have to reinstall everything?
[14:50] <smeril> i mean if i have to change linux version
[14:50] <mefisto__> smeril: have you reinstalled firefox?
[14:50] <smeril> yes 2 times
[14:50] <Lynoure> smeril: it's a very exotic problem
[14:51] <ardchoille> smeril: Have you tried running firefox from a terminal to see if there's any error output?
[14:51] <mefisto__> smeril: try this: locate /usr/bin/firefox
[14:51] <smeril> nothing happends i just get a new line with no message
[14:51] <ardchoille> mefisto__: Hemight need to update the slocate database for that to be effective.
[14:51] <jckl> do whereis firefox and it will tell you them all
[14:52] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ locate /usr/bin/firefox
[14:52] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:52] <ardchoille> smeril: Try this: which firefox
[14:52] <mefisto__> ardchoille: he gets command not found
[14:52] <jckl> smeril: whereis firefox
[14:52] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ which firefox
[14:52] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:53] <smeril> is there a command for error check?
[14:53] <ardchoille> smeril: apt-cache policy firefox | grep -i installed
[14:53] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy firefox | grep -i installed
[14:53] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:54] <Lynoure> smeril: how experienced linux user are you? If that happened to me, I'd strace the process of installing firefox and saw what it really did...  seems almost hard to believe, this one
[14:54] <ardchoille> smeril: Ok, there is a problem because that last command I gave should have output something
[14:54] <smeril> I am not so experienced but there might be some problem with the linux copy i installed
[14:55] <ardchoille> either "installed <version>" or "installed (none)"
[14:55] <jel> anyone know how I go about building a kde4 app on hardy?  Like, with kde3, I just did ./configure --with-qt-includes=/usr/include/qt3
[14:55] <jckl> i would think there was an error with the firefox install
[14:55] <ardchoille> !kde4 | jel
[14:55] <ubotu> jel: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[14:55] <jel> that doesn't help ubotu
[14:55] <ardchoille> jel: that last bit should tell you were you need to be
[14:56] <jel> Oh, the last part does, sorry :)
[14:56] <jel> thanks
[14:56] <ardchoille> yw
[14:56] <IanCal> hey all. Is there anything messed up with the standard package repositories atm?
[14:56] <coreymon77> jel: ubotu is a bot
[14:56] <ardchoille> IanCal: Not here
[14:56] <jel> yeah, I meant to address the person who commanded it :)
[14:57] <Lynoure> smeril: Where did you get your copy?
[14:57] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ installed <version>
[14:57] <smeril> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[14:57] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[14:57] <mefisto__> IanCal: can't update/install?
[14:57] <IanCal> ardchoille: thanks. I've been trying to install kubuntu 7.10 today, and that goes fine (both 64 and 32 bit)
[14:57] <smeril> from manchester university website
[14:57] <IanCal> then  it tells me there are updates, so I fire up adept, get the list and choose to install the 120 packages it has picked out
[14:58] <IanCal> they download fine, but then when installing them it complains that one or more will break another package and fails
[14:58] <ardchoille> smeril: no, the "apt-cache policy firefox" command I gave you should have at least output something, but it didn't. I feel yo have problems beyond the firefox issue atm
[14:58] <IanCal> then says there is a new version to upgrade to, 7.10 (which I'd installed), tries to upgrade to that and fails in exactly the same way
[14:59] <IanCal> this is going straight from install to upgrade, without changing or doing anything
[14:59] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy firefox
[14:59] <smeril> firefox:
[14:59] <smeril>   Installerad: 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[14:59] <smeril>   Kandidat: 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[14:59] <smeril>   Versionstabell:
[14:59] <smeril>  *** 2.0.0.6+2nobinonly-0ubuntu1 0
[14:59] <smeril>         500 cdrom://Kubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Release i386 (20071016.1) gutsy/main Packages
[14:59] <smeril>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[14:59] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[15:00] <mefisto__> it should be version 2.0.0.11
[15:00] <llutz> mefisto__: .6 is from cd
[15:01] <ardchoille> smeril: Ok, first of all use pastebin in the future. secondly, the first time I had you run that you said output was nothing
[15:01] <ardchoille> !pastebin > smeril
[15:01] <tekteen> IanCal: take the cd out of your sources.list
[15:01] <llutz> he
[15:01] <smeril> can i update without get new cd
[15:01] <llutz> ardchoille: output was empty, he has .se language Installerad != installed
[15:01] <jckl> install newer version of firefox
[15:01] <ardchoille> llutz: Ah, good catch that
[15:02] <IanCal> tekteen, thanks will try that. Why would that break things though? Surely it couldn't be finding updates on the cd, since they are all already installed
[15:02] <tekteen> IanCal: no idea
[15:02] <IanCal> *why would/how could (sorry)
[15:02] <IanCal> ah
[15:02] <IanCal> fair enough :)
[15:02] <tekteen> IanCal: I think it is because the cd is first
[15:03] <ardchoille> smeril: You are on Gutsy, but is this an upgrade from feisty?
[15:03] <IanCal> but the packages are the same version as the installed ones. Anyway, what's weirder to me is that it can detect that one package upgrade would break something else, but only AFTER it's downloaded 240 megs of files
[15:04] <smeril> whats the difference?
[15:04] <llutz> i guess he has installed from CD without network, so only CD is activated in sources.list
[15:04] <IanCal> seems like it's not checking the dependencies correctly
[15:05] <ardchoille> smeril: I am wondering how you ended up with firefox 2.0.0.6 if you just installed it on Gutsy, the current firefox in the repos for Gutsy is 2.0.0.11
[15:05] <smeril> is there a problem with that?
[15:06] <ardchoille> smeril: Is this an upgrade from feisty or did you try to manually install firefox from the firefox site or soemthing?
[15:06] <IanCal> anyone have a similar problem when they've done a fresh install before?
[15:07] <smeril> before i went here to irc i tried the website and diffrent comands from internet instructions
[15:07] <llutz> smeril: do you have unrestricted online-access? please paste your /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[15:07] <ardchoille> smeril: I thought so
[15:07] <llutz> !pastebin
[15:07] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[15:08] <mefisto__> IanCal: I had a similar problem, but that was upgrading from feisty to gutsy. apt-get dist-upgrade fixed it
[15:08] <neopsyche> hi all
[15:08] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$  /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[15:08] <smeril> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Åtkomst nekas
[15:08] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[15:08] <smeril> acces denied
[15:08] <smeril> in swedish
[15:08] <tekteen> neopsyche: hi
[15:08] <llutz> !pastebin | smeril
[15:08] <ubotu> smeril: please see above
[15:08] <IanCal> mefisto__: Thanks, it's worth a shot. maybe a problem  if it's trying to change the kernel (wild stab in the dark here :) )
[15:08] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ !pastebin | smeril
[15:08] <smeril> bash: !pastebin: event not found
[15:08] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[15:08] <neopsyche> I have a problem . .i added kde to ubuntu and now it says kubuntu when it starts up.. also .. when in kde session .. i cant mount external hdrive but it mounts fine in gnome????????????????????
[15:09] <ardchoille> smeril: Go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list there
[15:09] <llutz> smeril: paste the contents of that file to  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[15:09] <tekteen> neopsyche: did you install kde or kubuntu-desktop?
[15:09] <neopsyche> tekteen.. i may have installed kubuntu desktop
[15:10] <IanCal> thanks guys, I'm off to try apt-get dist-upgrade. Ah the fun of rebooting.
[15:10] <tekteen> neopsyche: it should work
[15:10] <neopsyche> tekteen.. im also finding some errors with th emouse now.
[15:10] <neopsyche> it doesnt though
[15:10] <neopsyche> The mounting .,.
[15:10] <tekteen> I do not know
[15:11] <jckl> i didnt think the desktio environment effected your mounts
[15:11] <jckl> desktop *
[15:11] <alison> what system requirements do you need for kubuntu?
[15:11] <smeril> how can i do that when it says
[15:11] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$  /etc/apt/sources.list to pastebin
[15:11] <smeril> bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Åtkomst nekas
[15:11] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ !pastebin | smeril
[15:11] <smeril> bash: !pastebin: event not found
[15:11] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[15:11] <ardchoille> smeril: Go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list there
[15:12] <smeril> what syntax
[15:12] <neopsyche> how do i stop the annoying windows from disappearing?
[15:12] <jckl> smeril: view the contents of /etc/apt/sources.lst and then open the pastebin link in a web browser and copy the contents of the file and paste in the browser
[15:12] <ardchoille> smeril: Go to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org in your web browser and paste your /etc/apt/sources.list there, not in the channel
[15:12] <neopsyche> the window hides itself?
[15:12] <smeril> i will try
[15:13] <ardchoille> smeril: Perhaps you would be more comfortable in a support channel where folks speak your native language?
[15:14] <mefisto__> smeril: kwrite /etc/apt/sources.list will open the file in file editor. copy the text and paste it in pastebin
[15:14] <smeril> what do i go after
[15:14] <smeril> where do i go after
[15:14] <ardchoille> smeril: If you have pasted it into the web pastebin, give us the url
[15:15] <smeril> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52610/
[15:15] <neopsyche> sometimes i have to click more than once to open a window from the task bar?
[15:15] <neopsyche> why?
[15:16] <ardchoille> !source-o-matic | smeril your sources list is bad, go here to regenerate a new one
[15:16] <ubotu> smeril your sources list is bad, go here to regenerate a new one: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[15:16] <ardchoille> smeril: disregard that
[15:16] <mefisto__> smeril: open the file, copy the text and paste it in pastebin
[15:16] <llutz> ardchoille: i don't think the file is broken, he just don't know how to paste it
[15:16] <ardchoille> llutz: yes, I saw that
[15:16] <Jhq> Richard_Balls, plz tel me how do i config that AIRTEL EDGE MODEM
[15:17]  * ardchoille jumped the gun a bit
[15:17] <smeril> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52612/
[15:17] <alison> what are the system requirments to run kubuntu?
[15:17] <vivek> what is  compiz fusion??
[15:17] <ian__> hey, I was IanCal here a few mins ago. Just wanted to say thanks for the suggestion of "apt-get dist-upgrade". Works fine now
[15:18] <tekteen> vivek: search it on youtube
[15:18] <tekteen> !youtube
[15:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about youtube - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[15:19] <smeril> does that help?
[15:19] <tekteen> lol
[15:19] <ian__> have no idea why adept wasn't able to sort the problem out, or present me with a better message than "Something has failed" and an exit. My only input to dist-upgrade was to say "install new version" which should have been done anyway by the updater
[15:20] <ian__> shame, because (k)ubuntu is supposed to be new user friendly. Not so friendly if doing recommended updates after installing fails and stops you from using apt until you know another command to run
[15:20] <llutz> smeril use "sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list" from a console and try to make it looking like this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52614/
[15:20] <ian__> anyway, thanks for the help :D
[15:21] <applehypnosis> alison: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements
[15:22] <smeril> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52616/
[15:22] <mefisto__> smeril: your all sources are commented out. You can try uncommenting them yourself, or go to the source-o-matic site given a few minutes ago and create a new sources.list file
[15:23] <ian__> when using su/sudo/similar, how long do you stay logged in for?
[15:23] <jckl> ian did you build essentials?
[15:23] <llutz> smeril: change the "#" at the specific lines
[15:23] <vivek> how to install compiz fusion in Kubuntu 7.10
[15:23] <ardchoille> !compiz | vivek
[15:23] <ubotu> vivek: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:23] <llutz> smeril: or just save my paste and copy it to /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:24] <ian__> I haven't had to retype my password since I ran the updater a while ago, been able to change system settings and run kate with root permissions
[15:24] <mefisto__> smeril: remove the # AFTER every line that says Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify
[15:24] <ian__> jckl: All I did was install from cd, then run the updater. Then it failed :)
[15:24] <jckl> i couldnt compile anything at first
[15:25] <smeril> page cant be found
[15:25] <fannagoganna> hi, which KDE4 packages are in kubuntu -- kdenetwork, kdepim, etc.?
[15:25] <Richard_Balls> Jhq, I cannot help you, sorry
[15:25] <jckl> ian try sudo apt-get update
[15:25] <ian__> jckl: I didnt need to compile anything
[15:25] <ardchoille> fannagoganna: kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:25] <ian__> jckl: it's all fine now
[15:25] <ian__> thanks though
[15:26] <ian__> jckl: the fix was sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:26] <jckl> ian: sudo aptitude install build-essential
[15:26] <jckl> aw
[15:26] <jckl> ok
[15:26] <jckl> everything failed for me until i did those
[15:27] <ian__> I'm really quite concerned about this security problem though.
[15:27] <llutz> smeril: join #kubuntu-se and let the people there explain you what to do in swedish. i guess it's easier for all
[15:27] <smeril> lluts where is your paste
[15:27] <smeril> ?
[15:27] <llutz>  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52614/
[15:28] <smeril> just tell me again how to acces the source list
[15:29] <smeril> and i will try copy and paste
[15:29] <llutz> smeril: save my paste to a file 8make sure you get all lines) and copy that file to /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:29] <ian__> hang on, I can open kate as "sudo kate" and edit system files without a password, but I had to enter a password to copy a file?
[15:30] <smeril> acces denied
[15:30] <mefisto__> ian__: sudo asks for a password, unless you've already entered it in the last few minutes
[15:30] <llutz> smeril: sudo cp sile-you-saved.txt  /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:30] <llutz> file
[15:31] <smeril> file not found
[15:32] <ian__> mefisto__: I know, but I hadn't entered it for about 10-15 minutes. I can still open kate with sudo, but I couldn't copy. I've tried using different konsole windows but it didn't make a difference
[15:32] <jckl> smeril: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:33] <smeril> what do i do after i saved
[15:33] <jckl> file -> quit
[15:33] <smeril> after that
[15:33] <ian__> is there a way of changing the length of time you have between re-entering the password?
[15:34] <ian__> 1-2 minutes seems like a good time, 20 seems very excessive
[15:35] <mefisto__> smeril: sudo apt-get update, then (re)install firefox again
[15:35] <ian__> and could give rise to security problems where you don't know that a script is running something in superuser mode
[15:35] <Tallen> Any way to make Konversation have a transparent background?
[15:36] <ian__> I'm suprised that you don't have to re-enter the password when switching apps, too
[15:36] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ sudo apt-get update
[15:36] <smeril> E: Typ "1" är inte känd på rad 1 i listan över källor /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:36] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[15:36] <jckl> unzip it
[15:36] <ian__> that seems like a glaring problem to me
[15:36] <jckl> erm wrong window lol
[15:37] <jel> Tallen: probably only by using a compositing window manager that knows how to do that with any window.  KDE4 might have a version of konversation available which does it, but probably not yet.
[15:37] <ian__> back in a bit, must kill x
[15:37] <Tallen> jel: oh, I just noticed I can in Xchat but not in Konversation.
[15:38] <smeril> something happend after i copy and pasted
[15:38] <smeril> now i cant update
[15:39] <mefisto__> smeril: you replaced the old text with the new text? or did you leave the old text?
[15:39] <luca> devo scaricare vlc per linux come fo
[15:39] <llutz> smeril: safe that paste again, but WITHOUT the line-numbers
[15:39] <smeril> replaced to this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52614/
[15:39] <smeril> ok
[15:39] <llutz> smeril: take the part at the bottom of the page
[15:39] <jimmy51> are there any VPN specialists in here?
[15:41] <smeril> finanly it uppdated
[15:42] <jel> jimmy51: try ##networking
[15:42] <hola> i have a problem with vlc
[15:43] <jimmy51> jel:  is that a kubuntu specific vpn channel?  my problems are with a known bug and needing help with the workaround
[15:43] <mefisto__> smeril: remove firefox (sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox) then install again (sudo apt-get install firefox)
[15:43] <jimmy51> jel:  bug   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/151867
[15:43] <jel> jimmy51: nope, it's not
[15:45] <smeril> i have done it check my paste http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52619/
[15:46] <smeril> error message
[15:46] <nuxil> g.day all
[15:46] <llutz> smeril: sudo chown root:root /etc/apt/sources.list
[15:48] <jimmy51> how might one install a .patch file they've downloaded?
[15:48] <nuxil> you dont install it.. you patch your code with it :p
[15:48] <jckl> lol
[15:49] <jimmy51> nuxil:  that sounds tricky.
[15:49] <jckl> if you have a current patch you have to remove it before applying the new patch.
[15:51] <jimmy51> i don't think i have any patches...  i just found two patches on a bug report for my problem and downloaded them.  i guess i was thinking like a windows patch.
[15:51] <radioaktivstorm> hello, does anyone have a link to a list of all of the packages installed under the kubuntu-desktop metapackage?
[15:52] <llutz> radioaktivstorm: aptitude show kubuntu-de
[15:52] <llutz> radioaktivstorm: aptitude show kubuntu-desktop
[15:52] <jckl> jimmy look up the patch command ;)
[15:52] <radioaktivstorm> llutz thanks! :)
[15:52] <jimmy51> !patch
[15:52] <ubotu> Patches are files describing the changes in code to achieve some results.  There are a number of ways these can be produced, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToFix and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems may provide some useful guidelines.
[15:53] <nuxil> jimmy51, example of use..  cd /usr/src/linux ; patch -p0 new-patch
[15:53] <nuxil> that if the patch is in /usr/src/linux
[15:53] <nuxil> but look up man patch
[15:54] <mefisto__> radioaktivstorm: if you want a webpage: http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/metapackages/kubuntu-desktop
[15:54] <radioaktivstorm> wow. both are very useful! thanks :)
[15:54] <jimmy51> nuxil:  thanks... i'll try to figure out what that means
[15:57] <jckl> jimmy in a terminal type man patch and it will give you detailed help
[15:57] <jel> what's the command to build a deb by wrapping make install again?  dh_make?
[15:57] <nuxil> OMG. OMG what shall i do now.. i just been scaned by Malwarecrush V2. it says i got 9 infected files it say. 5 dll file and some coockies.
[15:57] <nuxil> LOL
[15:57] <nuxil> 2.6.23.11
[15:57] <nuxil> heh
[15:58] <cef> "man patch" - quotes help guys
[15:58] <jckl> i couldnt get my 2.6.23.14 kernel to load lol
[15:58] <Chousuke> jel: checkinstall
[15:58] <hola> where is located the file contains the kde menu applications
[15:58] <hola> where is located the file contains the kde menu applications?
[15:58] <jel> Chousuke: that's it.  Thanks :)
[15:59] <nuxil> hola, ? what you mean
[16:00] <mefisto__> hola: you want to edit your kde menu?
[16:00] <cef> hola: do you mean the file that gets used to display the actual menu entries in the KDE menu system>
[16:00] <nuxil> hola, 2 ways. go in your kmeny and right click and edit menu
[16:00] <nuxil> or use whereis which app
[16:00] <hola> cef: yes
[16:00] <nuxil> *whereis | which
[16:01] <hola> nuxil: of course, but i would like to edit it with terminal
[16:01] <cef> hola: not sure about the file, but if you right-click on the K, you'll get an option for the menu editor
[16:02] <mefisto__> hola: or you can right-click individual apps in the menu too
[16:04] <mefisto__> hola: take a look at http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/How_To_Configure_the_KDE_3_3_Menu_manually_without_KMenuEdit
[16:05] <jimmy51> should this do anything?  sudo patch -p01 kubuntu_08_ppp_support.patch
[16:05] <jckl> jimmy extract the patch
[16:05] <jckl> then use patch -E -p01 < path i believe
[16:06] <jimmy51> jckl:  it just looks like a text file or something... nothing to extract
[16:06] <cef> a .patch file is text
[16:06] <jckl> "patch -E -p01 < path" path is the path of the files
[16:06] <jckl> you need to get the source files for the patch
[16:06] <cef> but you need to redirect the file into patch
[16:06] <jckl> cef can better help i bet
[16:07] <jimmy51> here's what i've got:  sudo patch -E -p01 kubuntu_08_ppp_support.patch
[16:07] <cef> but you need the source code for the app you intend to patch first
[16:07] <jimmy51> cef:  whoa
[16:08] <nuxil> indeed
[16:08] <cef> jimmy51: UNLESS it's patching a config file
[16:08] <cef> where did you get this patch jimmy51
[16:08] <cef> ??
[16:08] <jimmy51> cef:  here's the bug page:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/151867
[16:08] <nuxil> you can also cd dir ; cat new-patch | patch -p0
[16:09] <jimmy51> cef:  there's a link on there to patches and fixed versions or whatever.  i don't know what any of it means, so i'm trying to learn how to apply the guy's fixes
[16:09] <jimmy51> cef:  so i don't have to boot to XP to get work done (need to vpn and rdp into work)
[16:11] <cef> ok.. that patch is a source code fix
[16:13] <jimmy51> cef:  should i just give up and stick with XP?
[16:13] <cef> jimmy51: You might be better off downloading zanfur's precompiled package: http://www.zanfur.com/knetworkmanager/network-manager-kde_0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5~pptp_i386.deb
[16:14] <jimmy51> cef:  that sounds better.  it's a deb, so i can use package installer, right?
[16:14] <mefisto__> that's much easier
[16:14] <cef> download that, and then run "sudo dpkg -i network-manager-kde_0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5~pptp_i386.deb" or yeah, use the package installer
[16:15] <cef> but remember: you're using someone elses packages, so if it breaks you're sort of on your own. chances are, it'll work fine.
[16:15] <cef> note: there is only a .i386 package that I can see, so if you're using x86-64 packages/install, you won't be able to use that
[16:16] <jimmy51> cef:  ok.  i figured i could trust these guys, since the package manager is on the post
[16:16] <mefisto__> cef: is that the right link? or is it the knetworkmanger one?
[16:17] <cef> jimmy51: most likely trust it, and it's signed by the guy.. and afaik robin (zanfur) knows what he's doing.
[16:17] <cef> jimmy51: I don't forsee a problem, but better you know than me not warning you at least
[16:18] <cef> ahh, you might need http://www.zanfur.com/knetworkmanager/knetworkmanager_0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5~pptp_all.deb as well
[16:18] <jimmy51> cef:  ok, thanks for the warning.
[16:19] <cef> jimmy51: I prefer to give people all the info so they're well informed. :D
[16:20] <jimmy51> cef:  that's good.  so far i've killed my install (beyond my ability to repair) 3 times trying ATI drivers
[16:21] <cef> jimmy51: ouch
[16:21] <nuxil> how did you manage to kill you install beyond repair by installing ati drivers ?? you must be a good killer :p
[16:22] <mefisto__> he said "beyond my ability to repair"
[16:23] <nuxil> jimmy51, your install should work fine even tho you video drivers are not installed. you can use always use vesa drivers :p
[16:23] <jimmy51> nuxil:  i guess so :)
[16:24] <mefisto__> has anyone installed linux-rt kernel?
[16:24] <cef> hrm.. think I might head off and play some trem
[16:24] <cef> later ppl
[16:25] <nuxil> have fun
[16:25] <`Zmax`> Does anyone have a Samsung i600 for a little tip, please?
[16:27] <nuxil> no,, but whats your problem
[16:27] <nuxil> i got sgh-830
[16:28] <subopt> My browsers in Gutsy are all crapping out, and it sounds like it's probably a flash issue. How do i upgrade them? I installed the flashplugin-nonfree (which was supposed to install the thing), but it didn't, and i don't even know where it put it.
[16:28] <subopt> rather, How do i upgrade flash?
[16:28] <nuxil> your brwser is ?
[16:28] <nuxil> konqueror or firefox
[16:28] <nuxil> =
[16:28] <jimmy51> thanks for the help guys, i'm going to reboot
[16:29] <subopt> nuxil: those, plus galeon and epiphany
[16:29] <jimmy51> and my wife's mad because i won't pick between thurs and fri to take the pup to the vet so i've gotta go anyway
[16:29] <Tm_T> subopt: topic?
[16:29] <jimmy51> :)
[16:29] <Tm_T> !flash
[16:29] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[16:29] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[16:29] <jel> subopt: same way you upgrade anything else: install the lastest package using adept (or synaptic or aptitude)
[16:29] <subopt> ubotu: thanks
[16:29] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[16:31] <`Zmax`> nuxil, !
[16:31] <`Zmax`> is the sgh-830 a smartphone?
[16:31] <`Zmax`> I am wondering to use it for internet connection
[16:32] <nuxil> `Zmax`, its a verry dumb phone :p
[16:32] <`Zmax`> under windows there is "active sync"
[16:32] <`Zmax`> lol
[16:32] <`Zmax`> I haven't any ACM device under /dev
[16:32] <Odd-rationale> Which should I install? guarddog or kmyfirewall? I'm looking for something similar to firestarter which I can just install, run a wizard and pretty much forget about it.
[16:32] <nuxil> `Zmax`, you can network bluethoot or wlan of that phone supports it
[16:33] <nuxil> *of/if
[16:33] <`Zmax`> nuxil, network bluetooth?
[16:33] <nuxil> yes
[16:33] <nuxil> it might be a pain in the ass to set up tho
[16:34] <`Zmax`> nuxil, yes I think so :D
[16:34] <`Zmax`> but
[16:36] <nuxil> `Zmax`, if its supports Wlan.. thers no problem connecting it to internett,,, but if it doesnt.. bluetooth networking on phones dosent always work..
[16:36] <nuxil> `Zmax` since its more ment for pc to pc bluetoothing
[16:37] <`Zmax`> it supports wlan
[16:37] <`Zmax`> but I tried
[16:37] <`Zmax`> to configure an access point to it
[16:37] <`Zmax`> it seems that the ap is always "red"
[16:38] <`Zmax`> doing a scan I can see it
[16:38] <`Zmax`> but I cannot connect to it
[16:38] <nuxil> do you see your network on a scan?
[16:38] <`Zmax`> dhclient does not work
[16:38] <`Zmax`> yes nuxil
[16:39] <nuxil> `Zmax`, check your router settings.
[16:39] <`Zmax`> I haven't a router
[16:39] <nuxil> oh.
[16:40] <nuxil> only wireless card in pc ? then you need to look up ad hook
[16:44] <azlon> i'm currently downloading/installing kubuntu-desktop package. if i have a kubuntu cd, can i install the package from that?
[16:45] <Sbucatone> azlon: of course yes
[16:45] <azlon> i just have to add it to the sources?
[16:46] <nuxil> `Zmax`, whats your wifi card ? eth1 ?
[16:46] <`Zmax`> nuxil, no, wlan0
[16:46] <azlon> i have it in ISO format on my harddrive, do i need to burn it to a CD first?
[16:46] <nuxil> `if you dont know.. type: iwconfig
[16:50] <azlon> Sbucatone: can i load it from an ISO or do i have to burn it to a CD first?
[16:50] <mefisto__> azlon: you can mount the iso
[16:50] <azlon> mefisto__: how do i do that? sorry... 2nd day on linux
[16:51] <mefisto__> mount -o loop -t iso9660 diskimage.iso /mountpoint
[16:51] <nuxil> iwconfig wlan0 mode Ad-Hoc essid MYNET channel 6 ; ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.2 ;  route add default netmask 0.0.0.0 gw 192.168.1.1 ; route add -net 192.168.1.0  netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0
[16:51] <nuxil> @ `Zmax`
[16:51] <mefisto__> create the directory you will mount it to first
[16:51] <`Zmax`> y
[16:51] <azlon> awesome, thanks
[16:52] <nuxil> `Zmax`, you need to set gw right on phone how
[16:52] <nuxil> *how/npw
[16:52] <nuxil> *now
[16:52] <nuxil> erm
[16:52] <nuxil> and make it ip 192.168.1.3 example
[16:52] <oscar> Howd do I get kde 4?
[16:53] <nuxil> !kde4
[16:53] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[16:53] <oscar> yes, I know, they say kubuntu will download updates. But kubuntu tried and kubuntu failed and kubuntu wont try again
[16:54] <oscar> can I install it from the live cd?
[16:54] <azlon> mefisto__: ok, i have the kubuntu iso mounted, how can i use this to install the kubuntu-dekstop package?
[16:54] <nuxil> oscar, dude.. go to a kde4 channel
[16:54] <oscar> k sry
[16:57] <azlon> i have the KDE ISO mounted, how can i use this to install the kubuntu-desktop package?
[16:57] <nuxil> `Zmax`, do you understand?
[16:58] <maduser> does kde4 work yet?
[16:59] <mefisto__> azlon: I'm not exactly sure, but it's something like "deb /directory-mounted-iso gutsy main restricted" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file
[16:59] <nuxil> maddler, how about reading the topic
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 nuxil, apparently there isn't the way to set the gw
[17:00] <nuxil> you mean on the phone
[17:00] <maduser> yeah you can download it, but its really buggy
[17:00] <nuxil> hmm
[17:00] <maduser> when I tried it
[17:01] <nuxil> `Zmax`_, but can you set a static ip on the phone ?
[17:01] <`Zmax`_> apparently no
[17:02] <nuxil> `try setting up a dhcp server on wlan0..the phone might ask for a dhcp offer.
[17:02] <maddler> nuxil: I would if I needed ;)
[17:03] <nuxil> maddler, it was for `Zmax`_  :p
[17:03] <`Zmax`_> eheh
[17:05] <maddler> :)
[17:05] <nuxil> `Zmax`_, do you know how tcpdump works? try staring tcpdump on wlan0 and see if the phone asks for a dhcp offer.
[17:05] <`Zmax`_> uhm
[17:05] <`Zmax`_> I don't know
[17:05] <`Zmax`_> I'll try :D
[17:13] <`Zmax`_> nuxil,
[17:13] <`Zmax`_> nothing :|
[17:13] <dhq> why are medibuntu packages dont work
[17:13] <`Zmax`_> :°°
[17:14] <nuxil> `Zmax`_, tcpdump -i wlan0 ; then on phone try to connect. you see some output in concole
[17:15] <nuxil> sudo
[17:16] <Strangelet> wasn't there an unnofficial fix for the flash plugin error in Konqueror
[17:16] <Strangelet> ?
[17:17] <jel> Strangelet: which error?
[17:17] <Strangelet> jel: Loading up a page with flash causes Konqeuror to cash
[17:18] <nuxil> `Zmax`_, you might need to set wlan0 in promiscuous mode
[17:19] <`Zmax`_> how?
[17:19] <nuxil> turn it down.
[17:19] <nuxil> ifconfig wlan0 down
[17:22] <JoshOvki> hey
[17:23] <azlon> how can i install kubuntu-desktop from the cd instead of downloading it?
[17:27] <g2g591> azlon: if the packages on the cd are upto date and the cd is in your sources, apt will prefer the cd
[17:27] <nuxil> azlon, if you installed ubuntu i think you need to dl it.
[17:29] <g2g591> azlon: if you have a kubuntu cd with upto date packages and added it to your sources , useing apt-cdrom, synaptic, or adept, and the packages on it are up to date, apt will use the cd
[17:29] <azlon> nuxil: i removed all of the gnome stuff and want to install KDE from a cd i downloaded yesterday
[17:30] <azlon> i just commented out everything except the CD... we will see how this works
[17:30] <stdin> azlon: only works with the alternate cd, not the desktop cd
[17:30] <azlon> what???
[17:30] <azlon> crap!
[17:31] <azlon> ugh
[17:31] <azlon> guess i will just download it
[17:31] <g2g591> azlon: no, stdin is wrong
[17:31] <azlon> erm...
[17:32] <azlon> ill try it and see what happens
[17:32] <g2g591> azlon: the packages are on the reguler cd too, otherwise what would the cd install from?
[17:32] <bob__> anyone know why my gdeskletts wont work it tries to come up then just dies
[17:32] <stdin> g2g591: try it, find out
[17:33] <azlon> g2g591: i commented out all the http sites, refreshed, searched for kubuntu-desktop and didnt find it...
[17:33] <azlon> crappers
[17:33]  * stdin is not wrong then
[17:33] <g2g591> stdin: im on a hardy install, i dont want to downgrade
[17:33] <azlon> right
[17:33] <bob__> i am using ubunt 7.10
[17:33] <g2g591> bob_: #ubuntu
[17:34] <bob__> oops
[17:34] <g2g591> bob_: different set of apps,
[17:34] <stdin> g2g591: there is an alternate cd for hardy too, but it's probably quicker to install kubuntu-desktop over the internet than downloading the CD (if  your system has internet that is)
[17:34] <g2g591> stdin: i know
[17:35] <bob__> what is the dif. kubuntu and ubuntu?
[17:35] <g2g591> stdin: there are some packages on the cd, i notice build-essential for one, and glibc,
[17:35] <jpatrick> bob__: ubuntu uses gnome, kubuntu kde
[17:35] <g2g591> bob_: different de
[17:35] <cristina> hi, i have 2 sound cards, after installimg ubuntu the 2'nd card worked, aftter installing the updates the firs card works, how can i set the card that is running?
[17:36] <holo> where can I change the size of the icons in konqueror? they are so huge!
[17:36] <g2g591> bob_: like, the widget program for kubuntu, would be preferably superkarumba
[17:36] <stdin> g2g591: yes, there is build-essential and some drivers, that's it
[17:36] <azlon> if i had a dollar...
[17:37] <bob__> but anything kubuntu i can run on ubuntu
[17:37] <g2g591> bob_: yep, and vice versa
[17:37] <g2g591> bob_: you can also install kubuntu from ubuntu
[17:37] <bob__> so whats the dif?
[17:37] <g2g591> bob_: different preinstalled stuff
[17:37] <bob__> o ok
[17:38] <bob__> i am a noob
[17:38] <g2g591> bob_: we have a start menu,-like thing and stuff, see kde.org for some screenshots
[17:39] <bob__> o so it is more like windows?
[17:39] <jckl> i have both gnome and kde installed
[17:39] <JoshOvki> same here
[17:39] <jckl> you can choose what one you want to load at login
[17:39] <g2g591> bob_: sorta, but none of the stability things, if you want to see screenshots, kde.org has many
[17:39] <jckl> also i think using a command
[17:39] <NeoOokami> bob__: The default look has a bit more in common with Windows. But it's over all just a different way of doing things.
[17:40] <gma> hello
[17:41] <bob__> ya i dont think i like it i looked
[17:43] <bob__> i have a dell inspiron 1501 and ubuntu runs great but the visual effects dont work
[17:43] <mefisto__> cristina: to set the default sound card, "asoundconf list" will list the soundcards you have, "asoundconf set-default-card THEONEYOUWANT" will set the default
[17:45] <nuxil> hmm.. why does ntop show sites i am not connected to ?
[17:45] <p> hello...i'm having some problems playing my .mp3s...can anyone help?
[17:45] <nuxil> netstat -a -e | grep tcp | grep -v tcp6 doesnt show em.
[17:45] <cristina> mefisto__ thx
[17:46] <g2g591> p: sudo apt-get install ffmpeg libxine1-ffmpeg
[17:47] <nuxil> strange
[17:47] <makers_mark> i need a new battery for my mbp :(
[17:47] <makers_mark> i've had it for almost a year.
[17:48] <makers_mark> and now it just jumped from 34% to 19%
[17:48] <dragoness> good evening everybody
[17:48] <makers_mark> hey.
[17:49] <JoshOvki> what package does wlanconfig install with?
[17:50] <g2g591> Josh: run which wlanconfig then run dpkg-query -S (whatever which wlanconfig told you)
[17:52] <p> g2g591: which application should I use for playback, I've tryede Amarok, Beep, Exaile, XMMS etc, but they all seem to chrash whenever I try playing an mp3
[17:52] <g2g591> p: try amarok first
[17:52] <jpatrick> !mp3 | p
[17:52] <ubotu> p: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:53] <JoshOvki> thanks g2g591
[17:53] <JoshOvki> i am having a problem with wlanconfig   i get this error      /usr/local/bin/wlanconfig: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
[17:55] <p> g2g591: Amarok starts loading, and then just shuts down?
[17:55] <dragoness> see ya all
[17:55] <g2g591> p: that is very very wrong
[17:56] <nuxil> JoshOvki, use iwconfig instead
[17:56] <g2g591> p: did you just click on the icon to load it or what?
[17:56] <g2g591> p: try just opening amarok by itself
[17:56] <p> g2g591: yes
[17:57] <p> g2g591: I did
[17:57] <JoshOvki> nuxil how do you use iwconfig to set something into monitor mode?
[17:57] <g2g591> p: ok, you have deep issues, if amarok crashes opening by itself
[17:57] <g2g591> p: try reinstalling it
[17:57] <nuxil> JoshOvki, to set in monitor mode. turn the iface down and use tcpdump or a sniffer tool.
[17:59] <nuxil> JoshOvki, example.. ifconfig wlan0 down ; tcpdump -i wlan0
[17:59] <nuxil> then its monotoring without sending anything
[17:59] <JoshOvki> nuxil, thanks
[18:00] <nuxil> JoshOvki, check out "kismet"
[18:00] <p> g2g591: ok, one more question: exaile says i'm missing some Gstreamer plugins, do you think it would help installing the plugins listed here:https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/codecs.html#codecs-gstreamer
[18:01] <RickKnight> Help. My kubuntu desktop is restarting Xjust after the desktop finishes loading. I am able to create a new user and get to the desktop.
[18:02] <RickKnight> But my desktop will not stay up.
[18:02] <artur_> Hello folks. I have a problem that is a message appearing when I try to do somethings like, when save a .odt , when i want to attribute a icon to a file and other things that i don't remember now. The message is the following (i will translate to english cause my kubuntu is in another language) I was not possible to find the MIME type ; (in the next line) application/octet-stream ...and a OK button.  How could i make this message stop
[18:02] <artur_> appearing. It appears when i do many kind of thins.
[18:03] <nuxil> RickKnight, remove the .kde dir.. but that will remove all your custom setup.. but it might not be a kde issue.. check the X log for erros first
[18:03] <RickKnight> nuxil: I did remove the .kde directory. Same problem. Like I said, a new user works fine.
[18:04] <nuxil> RickKnight, any errors in X org log ?
[18:04] <Greenery> RickKnight: have you updated recently?
[18:05] <nuxil> grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:06] <nuxil> RickKnight, you can also remove the .Xauthority file in you home dir
[18:06] <RickKnight> nuxil:I have a failed to initialize GLX
[18:06] <nuxil> that should not cause the X to shut down
[18:07] <Greenery> RickKnight: try updating first, there was an issue with the last update for xserver-xorg-core
[18:07] <RickKnight> nuxil:I didn't think GLX would.
[18:08] <RickKnight> nuxil: In Xorg.0.log.old I have a Fatal error  sig 11 at the bottom.
[18:08] <nuxil> RickKnight, do as Greenery says, apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[18:10] <RickKnight> OK, I'll try the update. Looks like I need to reboot now. Locked up.
[18:10] <nuxil> RickKnight, if that fails.. try a older xorg server,, you will most likely find it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you didnt clean your cache
[18:10] <nuxil> erm
[18:10] <nuxil> to late
[18:11] <RickKnight> OK. But if the problem is Xorg, why am I able to create a new user in console and then use the new user without any problems?
[18:12] <artur_> Message appearing: It was not possible to find the MIME type ; (in the next line) application/octet-stream ...and a OK button.  How could i make this message stop appearing?
[18:13] <Greenery> RickKnight: did you have any program on autostart?
[18:14] <sperlo> hello all, having a bit of a problem with connecting my phone. ask here? or someplace else?
[18:14] <RickKnight> Greenery: Nothing in autostart, that I remember, but I'll check. Last night I had a problem with OO.org, and tried to log off and then back on. That's when it started.
[18:14] <nuxil> RickKnight,  ls .kde/Autostart/ -la
[18:15] <nuxil> RickKnight, if you removed your .kde then there should not be any autostart of any app
[18:16] <Greenery> RickKnight: the last update for xerver-xorg-core breaks java apps, so OO.org might caused it
[18:16] <nuxil> RickKnight, did you try apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[18:16] <Greenery> RickKnight: upgrade your kubuntu and try to use your old user again, see if it loads this time
[18:16] <stevec_> join #ubuntu
[18:17] <nuxil> RickKnight, if that fails.. try a older xorg server,, you will most likely find it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you didnt clean your cache
[18:17] <uno> buenas
[18:17] <uno> soy nuevo en este cuento
[18:17] <RickKnight> OK nuxil, I'll try the upgrade.
[18:17] <uno> alguna dama que me puede guiar??
[18:17] <jpatrick> !es | uno
[18:17] <ubotu> uno: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[18:18] <uno> aqui nadie habla español??
[18:18] <hi__> Hi. (using kde3.5.8). I have working nvidia drivers with good modlines in the xorg.conf. i can set the resolution/refreshrate i want but only with the nvidia-settings tool. the KDE config panel to set it don't show me the good resolutions i setted in the xorg.conf. here is my xorg.conf file: http://www.pastebin.ca/864170 .  how can the kde config panel use the same resolutions as the nvidia tool? thanks!
[18:19] <x_link> Hi
[18:20] <x_link> I can't find on www.kubuntu.org where to download Kubuntu-Alernate
[18:20] <organix> hi_: what nvidia card are you using
[18:21] <hi__> mx440 but i really don't think this is the problem
[18:21] <llutz> x_link: http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/gutsy/
[18:21] <x_link> llutz: Thanks man.
[18:21] <llutz> you haven't searched ;)
[18:22] <RickKnight> nuxil: I did the upgrade. Same problem
[18:22] <NickPresta> if I have two different Hard Drives, Windows on the first and Kubuntu on second, where should I install GRUB? On the first, overwriting Windows' MBR?
[18:22] <llutz> NickPresta: yes, you will have win in grub-menu
[18:22] <g2g591> x_link: hold on
[18:22] <g2g591> x_link: nm
[18:23] <x_link> I jut changed to Intel, so I should get .i386.iso right?
[18:23] <RickKnight> I tried startx from the command line and after X shutdown I see Fatal server error, Caught sig 11, xinit connection to Xserver lost
[18:23] <x_link> http://ubuntu.media.mit.edu/ubuntu-releases/kubuntu/gutsy/kubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso that one right?
[18:23] <nuxil> RickKnight, press CTRL ALT F2 and log in.. type : /etc/init.d/kdm stop ; startx
[18:23] <organix> x_link: yes
[18:23] <g2g591> x_link: you should get i386 no matter what cpu, unless ppc (64 bit isnt very good)
[18:24] <x_link> organix: Okey.
[18:24] <x_link> g2g591: Okey.
[18:24] <x_link> Thanks guys.
[18:24] <x_link> I just tried to re-install Kubuntu with my cd but it didn't work.
[18:24] <x_link> So I hope that it will work with this CD:
[18:24] <x_link> CD.
[18:24] <NeoOokami> There aren't that many downsides to using amd64.
[18:24] <NeoOokami> And if you do a lot of video encoding, a ton of benefits. ;_;
[18:25] <x_link> NeoOokami: I don't do video encoding =)
[18:25] <x_link> NeoOokami: Are you using amd64?
[18:25] <x_link> Baah, this site is really slow today.
[18:25] <NeoOokami> x_link: Yep.
[18:25] <llutz> x_link: look for a mirror closer to you
[18:25] <NeoOokami> Used it on Gentoo, now using it in Kubuntu.
[18:25] <organix> hi_: what does 'cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status' tell you
[18:26] <nuxil> RickKnight, what version does Xorg -version  say?
[18:26] <x_link> llutz: I couldn't find any alternate before.
[18:26] <nicolas_> hi all!
[18:26] <organix> greetings nicolas_
[18:26] <llutz> x_link: as i said, you haven't searched: http://www.kubuntu.com/download.php
[18:27] <x_link> Ahh I just found it =)
[18:27] <RickKnight> nuxil: I'm rebooting again. Trying to stop kdm froze me again.
[18:27] <x_link> llutz: ftp://ftp.df.lth.se/pub/ubuntu-iso/kubuntu/gutsy/kubuntu-7.10-alternate-i386.iso
[18:27] <x_link> =)
[18:27] <nuxil> RickKnight,  thats weird
[18:28] <nuxil> maybe kdm is messing with you :p
[18:28] <llutz> x_link: wtf should i know that you're swedish? ;)
[18:28] <x_link> llutz: Alot faster now, ~1300kb/s =)
[18:28] <nicolas_> i'm new at linux and i've just a little pb... cant acces my database even after a restart, an other prog is using it... but i dont know which one and how to shut it down...
[18:28] <llutz> sure
[18:28] <x_link> llutz: I didn't say that it was your fault =)
[18:28] <blind_guardian> hello all
[18:28] <RickKnight> nuxil, yes, weird.
[18:28] <nuxil> RickKnight, but what version of Xorg ?
[18:29] <nuxil> type Xorg -version
[18:29] <maduser> does anyone here use kde4?
[18:29] <nuxil> RickKnight, have you tried to disable gui "kdm" login ?
[18:30] <nuxil> and see if the problem still remains
[18:30] <organix> maduser: yes, installed it last night
[18:30] <x_link> llutz: Thanks alto for your help. I really appreciate it alot!
[18:30] <llutz> x_link: np
[18:30] <nuxil> RickKnight, to try that,, sudo chmod -x /etc/init.d/kdm to fix back.. just use +x
[18:30] <x_link> llutz: I got an Gigabyte GA-P35-DS4 + Intel 2.2GHz from my girlfriend 2 days ago. So my system got a bit messed up when I changed from AM2-motherboard to this =)
[18:30] <x_link> So that's why I want to re-install.
[18:30] <mia> can kopete have more than one messenger listed on it?
[18:31] <thomas123> !nl
[18:31] <jpatrick> !nickspam > thomas123
[18:31] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[18:31] <x_link> Thanks once again.
[18:31] <x_link> Bye!
[18:31] <llutz> x_link: strange, i changed from AMD 2400+ to intel E6300 on gigabyte ga965-DS3 without problems
[18:31] <x_link> llutz: Okey.
[18:31] <x_link> See you later!
[18:31] <RickKnight> nuxil, Xorg version is 7.2.0. Build date is Jan 18 2008
[18:32] <inforatix> bonjour à tous!
[18:32] <mia> can anyone see me?
[18:32] <thomas123> jpatrick: man I just booted a live cd
[18:32] <nicolas_> Another process is using the packaging system database
[18:32] <thomas123> gimme a fuckingbreak
[18:32] <inforatix> i'm french
[18:32] <jpatrick> thomas123: ah, sorry
[18:32] <nicolas_> do you know how to fix it please?
[18:32] <mia> wow
[18:33] <mia> not much help in here
[18:33] <jussi01> !fr | inforatix
[18:33] <ubotu> inforatix: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[18:33] <jussi01> mia:  I can see you
[18:33] <thomas123> !nl
[18:33] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[18:33] <nuxil> RickKnight, no.. look for a line like xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8
[18:33] <organix> mia: I can as well
[18:33] <g2g591> nicolas_: sudo killall apt-get , you have a backgound update in progrss, the command would stop it
[18:33] <nicolas_> mia: and me too :)
[18:33] <jussi01> mia: the answer is yes, it can
[18:33] <mia> ok....how is it done?
[18:33] <jussi01> mia: just go add anoth account
[18:33] <nicolas_> ok thxs a lot i'll try it!
[18:34] <RickKnight> nuxil; when I stop KDM and then run startx I get the same thing. Same error after X stops.
[18:34] <mia> how do i add another account?
[18:34] <mia> sorry...new to linux system
[18:34] <mia> like it so far
[18:34] <maduser> new to linux completly?
[18:34] <mia> yes
[18:34] <maduser> get ubuntu
[18:34] <maduser> its easier to use
[18:35] <maduser> for new people
[18:35] <jussi01> mia: settings - configure accounts
[18:35] <nuxil> RickKnight, ok.. did you remove the .Xauthority file
[18:35] <thomas123> mia: kdesu kuser
[18:35] <maduser> mias talking about kopote users
[18:36] <nicolas_> well "apt-get: no process killed" and my database is still locked...
[18:36] <NickPresta> !aptfix | nicolas_
[18:36] <ubotu> nicolas_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:36] <maduser> nicolas_ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[18:36] <mia> thanks jussi01!
[18:36] <jussi01> mia: :)
[18:36] <mia> got it!
[18:36] <nicolas_> ok thanks!
[18:37] <jussi01> mia: great!
[18:38] <nuxil> RickKnight,  dont know if this works.. but you can try dpkg "XORG-NAME" --force downgrade
[18:39] <nicolas_> works now! tanks a lot!
[18:39] <jussi01> nicolas_: :)
[18:39] <nuxil> --force-downgrade
[18:39] <mia> ok...another question
[18:39] <RickKnight> nuxil: Ye, I did remove Xauthority. I don't see anything like "xorg-server 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu8" How do I find that?
[18:40] <mia> how do one download a game from a cd?
[18:40] <nuxil> in Xorg -version.
[18:40] <jussi01> mia: what sort of game?
[18:40] <mia> star wars
[18:40] <mia> its for my son
[18:40] <jussi01> mia: is it made for linux?
[18:40] <nuxil> RickKnight, ok one idea.. copy all the stuff you need from your user.. delete the user and its home dir.. then recreate the user and cp your files back
[18:40] <mia> ummmm....not sure
[18:41] <mia> don't think so
[18:41] <jussi01> mia: you will probably need to use !wine
[18:41] <mia> merlot or white?
[18:41] <mia> LOL
[18:41] <mia> sorry
[18:41] <organix> haha
[18:41] <jussi01> !wine > mia
[18:41] <nuxil> gtg
[18:42] <RickKnight> nuxil: recreating my user should work, I am able to create a new user. Was hoping to avoid that. Guess I'll try that after I eat.
[18:42] <mefisto_> RickKnight: you have my sympathy
[18:43] <mefisto_> can I mount to a dir that is not empty?
[18:44] <RickKnight> Thanks mefisto.
[18:45] <g2g591> mefisto: i dont think so
[18:46] <mefisto_> g2g591: it does work, just wondering if the files in the dir are safe
[18:46] <smeril> what is the comand for installing firefox
[18:46] <jpatrick> smeril: apt-get install firefox
[18:46] <smeril> thanks
[18:46] <mefisto_> sudo in front of that, smeril
[18:48] <sourcemaker> is there a release plan for the next kubuntu release with kde4?
[18:49] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: yes
[18:49] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: where can I find... or do you know the date?
[18:49] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/kubuntu-meeting-20071222.pdf
[18:51] <smeril> whats is the firefox install command
[18:51] <organix> smeril: sudo apt-get install firefox
[18:52] <smeril> do you know the delete comand and reinstall comand for firefox?
[18:52] <organix> sudo apt-get remove firefox
[18:52] <SlimeyPe1e> best to purge it too
[18:52] <g2g591> smeril: if you use adept, theres an option to reinstall
[18:52] <organix> true true
[18:52] <linjava> leave
[18:53] <mefisto_> sudo apt-get remove --purge firefox will completely remove it
[18:53] <mefisto_> sudo apt-get install --reinstall firefox will completely reinstall it
[18:55] <sourcemaker> jpatrick: thanks
[18:55] <jckl> still having troubles with it smeril
[18:55] <jpatrick> sourcemaker: I always write the meeting minutes
[18:55] <cash-home> Hello there,please help me ? via which program I can cut video files?
[18:56] <jussi01> kdenlive cash-home
[18:56] <mefisto_> avidemux is a basic one
[18:56] <cash-home> kdenlive -it is program ?
[18:56] <jussi01> !info kdenlive
[18:56] <ubotu> kdenlive (source: kdenlive): A Non-Linear Video Editing Suite for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.5-0.0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 648 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[18:57] <cash-home> thnx guys
[19:00] <smeril> yes still troubles
[19:01] <jussi01> !away > AdmPaul
[19:02] <motty> שלום
[19:02] <smeril> last time somebody helped me it seams like something happend to a file in the system
[19:03] <jussi01> smeril: could you please repeat your issue?
[19:04] <smeril> I cant install firefox
[19:04] <sperlo> anyone using moto4lin?
[19:05] <sperlo> for some reason I can't get it to open my phone. It sees it fine, just can't open it
[19:05] <jussi01> smeril: ok, what have you done?
[19:05] <mimmo-anna> ##ubuntu-it
[19:05] <jussi01> !it | mimmo-anna
[19:06] <ubotu> mimmo-anna: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[19:06] <smeril> delete reinstall
[19:06] <smeril> and somebody told me to change a system file they instructed me
[19:06] <smeril> i have the icon for firefox
[19:07] <jussi01> smeril: have you installed it before?
[19:07] <jussi01> ok
[19:07] <jussi01> so what happens when you type firefox in the terminal?
[19:07] <smeril> but when i try to run it it says that the program is not installed and when i install it again it says i cant because i already have it
[19:08] <jussi01> smeril: go type firefox in terminal
[19:09] <smeril> i have already
[19:09] <smeril> tryed many times
[19:09] <smeril> it is not that
[19:10] <smeril> but there is a file i have forgot the name of and i changed som configurations and that file i was runing thruu the terminal
[19:10] <smeril> i copy and pasted from here
[19:11] <jussi01> smeril: I want to know the out put from that.
[19:11] <smeril> i dont know thats the output
[19:11] <smeril> i was instructed from here a few hours ago
[19:12] <jussi01> smeril: check if firefox is currently running
[19:12] <jussi01> smeril: ctrl + esc then look for firefox in the list
[19:14] <jussi01> smeril: if its running and not responding, it wont rerun, so kill it if its in the list
[19:14] <grufti> nabend
[19:15] <smeril> no its not running
[19:15] <Artimus> Has anyone gotten auto  mounting to work in Gutsy?  I rather liked it in Feisty, but I've never seen it work on Gutsy (my installation or a fresh installation on a friend's computer)
[19:15] <smeril> the should name should be firefox?
[19:15] <biovore> Artimus: Automounting.. you mean.. USB device auto mounting?
[19:15] <jussi01> or firefox-bin or similar
[19:16] <smeril> no its not runing
[19:16] <Artimus> biovore: USB, primarily.  I guess I haven't tried a CDRom
[19:16] <biovore> those work here..  KDE dosn't do a pop up window when you attach new media?
[19:17] <Artimus> Nope, never has in Gutsy
[19:17] <biovore> you running a custom kernel?
[19:17] <jussi01> works in gutsy here
[19:17] <das6745> smeril, check /usr/lib/firefox or /usr/local/firefox or similar
[19:17] <Artimus> biovore: Stock kernel
[19:17] <Artimus> A friend installed Gutsy (fresh) and it didn't work for him either.
[19:17] <biovore> Artimus: It should do it out of the box..
[19:18] <Artimus> I've kept my KDE profile, so I thought it was my settings originally.  What does it actually use to accomplish it (program wise)?
[19:18] <biovore> dbus I think
[19:19] <KlavKalashj> anyone know how to connect external speakers to a laptop, and make them work?
[19:19] <ChaosR> hello, I have a problem (before someone starts telling me I should explain, I'll exlpain in a moment) with filezilla for some reason it doesn't workk (goes for that one too)
[19:20] <KlavKalashj> i only get sound from internal crappy speakers
[19:20] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$ /usr/lib/firefox or /usr/local/firefox or similar
[19:20] <smeril> bash: /usr/lib/firefox: är en katalog
[19:20] <smeril> smeril@sm-laptop:~$
[19:20] <ChaosR> The program 'filezilla' received an X Window System error. This probably reflects a bug in the program. The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.   (Details: serial 2058 error_code 11 request_code 147 minor_code 5)
[19:20] <smeril> firefox is a catalog
[19:20] <smeril> in english
[19:21] <ChaosR> 2 days ago it just started to give that error
[19:22] <ChaosR> so does anyone know how to solve this
[19:22] <ChaosR> because filezilla is my favorite ftp program
[19:22] <das6745> smeri, if there is such catalog as firefox there should be firefox executable file
[19:22] <Tm_T> Konqueror <3
[19:23] <das6745> das6745@lhome:/usr/lib/firefox$ ls -A | egrep firefox$
[19:23] <KlavKalashj> no one can help me with speaker problem?
[19:23] <das6745> if it is, run it
[19:24] <mani213> how do i install flash so i can watch youtube videos on mozila?
[19:24] <mani213> what do i search for in adept?
[19:24] <mani213> java?
[19:24] <biovore> !flash
[19:24] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[19:24] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[19:25] <das6745> KlavKalashj, what exactly you want to do
[19:25] <made_> hi
[19:26] <user_> help! every time i run firefox, i get an error "NS_ERROR_FAILURE".  I click OK, and then everything works fine.  What gives?
[19:26] <KlavKalashj> das6745: I want to connect my good speakers to my laptop, but i cant get them work. just the internals.
[19:27] <KlavKalashj> is there any setting that will switch speakers?
[19:28] <das6745> guess yes, check speacker connector
[19:28] <user_> klavkalashj: are you using an external sound card, or just running from 'line out'?
[19:29] <KlavKalashj> just running from line out. green hole=)
[19:29] <mani213> whats a website to get linux wallpaper and skins?
[19:29] <user_> klavkalashj: if you plug headphones into that jack, do they work?
[19:29] <user_> mani213: www.kde-look.org
[19:30] <mani213> thanks alot
[19:30] <user_> if you run kde
[19:30] <user_> if not, www.gnome-look.org
[19:30] <mani213> any good mp3 players like winamp for linux?
[19:30] <Tm_T> Amarok <3
[19:30] <user_> i think its call mmx
[19:30] <KlavKalashj> nope, they dont
[19:31] <user_> klavkalashj: when you open kmix, is the line out or microphone output listed?
[19:31] <Artimus> Well, I've done a bit of reading on the no-automounting stuff.  pmount-hal /dev/sdb1 (that is the address, sda is a harddrive) spits out this: Error: libhal_ctx_init: (null): (null)
[19:31] <mani213> kk amarok i tried installin new skin it didnt work:S
[19:31] <Tm_T> skin?
[19:31] <user_> !mmx
[19:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mmx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:31] <KlavKalashj> but
[19:31] <mani213> or liek themes
[19:31] <mani213> for the player
[19:31] <Tm_T> mani213: noatun ?
[19:32] <mani213> ye
[19:32] <KlavKalashj> User_: no, just one channel, master. Maybe I need drivers for the soundcard, but I have a laptop and acer only got windows drivers....
[19:32] <user_> klavkalashj: i also have an acer... hang on- you probably need intel hda settings
[19:33] <parkin> anyone know a pdf reader that can read the pdfs with inverted colors?
[19:34] <user_> KlavKalashj:  see here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Gutsy_Intel_HD_Audio_Controller
[19:34] <KlavKalashj> user_: ah! how do I get?
[19:34] <KlavKalashj> user_: What model do you have?
[19:35] <user_> doesn't matter.
[19:35] <user_> Use this:
[19:35] <user_> added options line to /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base:
[19:35] <user_>  options snd-hda-intel model=acer
[19:36] <crimsun> have you verified that that's the correct model by inspecting his SSID?
[19:36] <user_> in /etc/modprob.d/alsa-base, add that line "options snd-hda-intel model=acer".  Then you should be good to go.  You have to restart X or reboot for it to take effect
[19:39] <KlavKalashj> user_: ok, thank you, will try reboot. brb
[19:43] <user_> klavkalashj: so?
[19:43] <KlavKalashj> hello agaion
[19:43] <KlavKalashj> user_: no difference =/
[19:43] <KlavKalashj> must have done something wrong, NOTHING happened=)
[19:43] <user_> hmm.... you did exactly what was written?
[19:43] <KlavKalashj> I think so...
[19:44] <user_> KlavKalashj: ok, follow me
[19:44] <user_> KlavKalashj: open terminal.
[19:44] <KlavKalashj> y
[19:44] <KlavKalashj> done=)
[19:44] <user_> KlavKalashj: type: sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[19:45] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: please pastebin the output from `lspci -nv`
[19:46] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: everything?:P
[19:46] <user_> crimsun: almost all acer laptops use the HD intel sound - but i am making an assumption
[19:46] <Richard_Balls> I just got a version upgrade notice for 7.10
[19:46] <Richard_Balls> I'm on 7.10
[19:46] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: yes, everything.
[19:47] <user_> richard_balls: just do "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade".  It should stop bothering you then
[19:47] <crimsun> user_: you need the SSID info to be able to suggest a model.  There are many variants for Acer hardware.
[19:47] <Jeroi> hello, is there good ssa/ass direct subber for media player in linux?
[19:48] <user_> crimsun: i know.  like i said, almost all acer laptops use this hardware.  i shouldn't assume, though ;)
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> user_: eh... whats the problem with this acer? (got a acer here)
[19:48] <KlavKalashj> oh, maybe pasted to much.
[19:48] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: did u get the paste?
[19:48] <user_> hey mike- klavkalashj is trying to get microphone and line-out working
[19:49] <user_> on acer lappy
[19:49] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: you need to tell me the url that you used.
[19:49] <KlavKalashj> if it helps: Acer travelmate 5520G
[19:49] <crimsun> no, that doesn't help.
[19:49] <crimsun> I need the url of the pastebin that you used.
[19:49] <KlavKalashj> sry crimsun, dont know how to use pastebin
[19:50] <crimsun> !pastebin |KlavKalashj
[19:50] <ubotu> KlavKalashj: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:50] <Jeroi> does win truetype fonts be used with linux?
[19:50] <Jeroi> or kubuntu
[19:50] <Jeroi> ?
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: yeah, I think they can
[19:50] <user_> klavkalashj: here is tutorial for your model to get sound working: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3589861
[19:50] <Jeroi> I think I miss fonts that ass script has used
[19:50] <Jeroi> !fonts
[19:50] <ubotu> Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[19:50] <KlavKalashj> !pastebin
[19:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:50] <KlavKalashj> hm
[19:50] <KlavKalashj> sry:P
[19:50] <user_> jeroi: yes - but you may have to copy the .ttf file from windows to linux
[19:51] <Jeroi> where are fonts kept in linux?
[19:52] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52666/
[19:53] <user_> jeroi: usr/share/fonts (should be there)
[19:53] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: looking now.
[19:53] <KlavKalashj> user_: taking a look at that tutorial now, thank you for url=)
[19:53] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: nice=)
[19:54] <mefisto_> Jeroi: fonts can also be in .fonts/ in your home dir, so they can be installed per user, or systemwide
[19:54] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: did you try model=3stack, too?
[19:55] <user_> mefisto | jeroi: this is correct, but i think they are in usr/share by default, right?
[19:55] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: we likely need to update the code for your quirk, since it's not in the source code.
[19:55] <Jeroi> how to make sumbolic link with kde3?
[19:55] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: I dont really understand what you are talking abaout =/
[19:55] <Jeroi> I want fonts folder to desktop
[19:56] <Jeroi> oh drag and drop
[19:56] <Jeroi> nice
[19:56] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: you know how you placed model=acer in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base?  Replace "acer" with "3stack", and reboot.
[19:57] <dorkface> Hi all, I was wondering how to roll back an installed program, like wine.  would there be an apt-get command for it?
[19:57] <KlavKalashj> crimsun: kk
[19:57] <user_> crimsun: good detective work ;)
[19:57] <user_> dorkface: to reinstall an older version?
[19:57] <dorkface> user_: yeah
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: yeah... you can apt-get install a specific version if you know what version it was
[19:58] <user_> dorkface: afaik, you'd have to remove all files of the new version, and compile the older version, as the repos only keep the updated version.  Anyone else?
[19:58] <Jeroi> hmm how can I copy fonts from windows folder to fonts as I dont have privlidges to save into kubuntu font folder
[19:58] <user_> nosrednaekim: yeah, thats what i meant ;)
[19:58] <dorkface> nosrednaekim: cool, I'll check that out
[19:59] <user_> jeroi: run "sudo konqueror"
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: sudo
[19:59] <user_> jeroi: then you will have write permissions
[19:59] <nosrednaekim> dorkface: synaptic has the ability to choose versions
[19:59] <user_> nosrednaekim: it does?!?
[19:59] <dorkface> I'm using kde :)
[19:59] <crimsun> KlavKalashj: I need to scoot now to catch the train, but leave me a private query if it still doesn't work; I'll need to catch up with you to debug it further.
[19:59] <dorkface> does adept manager have that option?
[19:59] <user_> dorkface: install synaptic
[20:00] <dorkface> user_: can do :)
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> user_: yeah
[20:00] <user_> nosrednaekim: shoot, i'm switching right now, then.  No wonder all gnome freaks say Adept sucks :)
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> user_: synaptic is much nicer.... ATM
[20:01] <user_> nosrednaekim: well, i'll keep both, but use synaptic for now.  thanks for the info.  i thought they were essentially the same, just built with different toolkits
[20:03] <dorkface> user_: can do :)
[20:03] <dorkface> oops
[20:03] <vijay_> Packgae installer  --Error: Dependency is not satisfiable -- why this?
[20:03] <user_> nosrednaekim: so can you force-install an older version through synaptic?
[20:04] <nosrednaekim> user_: I think so
[20:04] <user_> vijay: try running "sudo apt-get -f install", and if that doesn't work, you can install the depency manually, either by compiling or finding a .deb package
[20:07] <persept> if I know correctly, KDE 4 will be in Hardy?
[20:07] <jpatrick> persept: it already is
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> persept: a version of hardy. yes
[20:08] <jpatrick> persept: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/minutes/kubuntu-meeting-20071222.pdf
[20:08] <persept> jpatrick: i meant will be, because it hasn't had its final release
[20:08] <jpatrick> persept: it has
[20:08] <persept> then why isn't it on the download page?
[20:09] <jpatrick> persept: read the link, seeds are not yet ready
[20:09] <jpatrick> !kde4 > persept
[20:09] <persept> got it, thanks
[20:09] <cash-home> How I can cut mp4 video ?
[20:10] <cash-home> ?mp4
[20:10] <cash-home> !mp4
[20:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:10] <lokpest> hi, I cant use a microphone
[20:10] <Flare183> !microphone | lokpest
[20:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about microphone - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:10] <user_> !cinelerra | cash-home
[20:10] <ubotu> cash-home: Cinelerra is a video editor and compositor that cannot be included in Ubuntu for legal reasons. Install instructions can be found on http://cvs.cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php#ubuntu
[20:10] <Flare183> !mic | lokpest
[20:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:10] <Flare183> what the mess
[20:10] <cash-home> thnx
[20:11] <lokpest> Flare183: ??
[20:11] <Flare183> lokpest: hold up
[20:11] <user_> or: !avidemux | cash-home
[20:12] <cash-home> thnx a Lott
[20:12] <user_> cash-home - yeah, i messed up, but avidemux is good too :)
[20:13] <Flare183> beats me dude i can't find the factoid umm try krec
[20:13] <jussi01> cash-home: kdenlive should do it fine, you just need all the restricted extras installed iirc
[20:13] <Flare183> !info krec
[20:13] <ubotu> krec (source: kdemultimedia): sound recorder utility for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 354 kB, installed size 1056 kB
[20:13] <lokpest> Flare183: cant record in krec
[20:13] <cash-home> I l try all and say result )
[20:13] <Flare183> yeah you can
[20:13] <jussi01> lokpest: have you had a look in kmix to see it is unmuted etc?
[20:13] <jussi01> !restricted | cash-home
[20:14] <ubotu> cash-home: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[20:14] <lokpest> Flare183: alsamixer doesnt have a bar for mic, and pressing M does nothingb
[20:14] <Flare183> !mic
[20:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mic - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:14] <user_> lokpest: have you run "alsamixer" in terminal and see whats there?
[20:15] <lokpest> user_: http://img180.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2tp6.png
[20:15] <lokpest> pressing M wont do anything
[20:16] <persept> jpatrick: if i read right, the LTS has kde 3
[20:16] <user_> lokpest: hmm... did it ever work before?
[20:16] <lokpest> user_: no
[20:16] <user_> lokpest: what kind of computer are you using?
[20:16] <lokpest> user_: dell inspiron 6400 laptop
[20:16] <user_> lokpest: ok, hang on.
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> persept: there will be no LTS
[20:17] <jpatrick> persept: no
[20:17] <jpatrick> persept: what nosrednaekim said
[20:17] <persept> jpatrick: then I guess the title of this is wrong? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/
[20:17] <squid0> hi! ctrl + alt + del doesn't work for me :( any idea why?
[20:17] <squid0> i mean, backspace
[20:18] <squid0> ctrl+alt+backspace
[20:18] <persept> it calles it kubuntu 8.04 LTS
[20:18] <jpatrick> persept: yes, I shall inform someone on that asap
[20:18] <squid0> also, when I do ctrl+alt+f1, it takes me to workspace 1 instead of terminal 1
[20:19] <user_> lokpest: does your lappy have a built-in microphone?
[20:20] <lokpest> user_: not sure what u mean? its a Intel motherboard with a sigmatel stac soundchip
[20:20] <lokpest> and im trying with a headset
[20:20] <lokpest> so I guess no
[20:20] <user_> lokpest: so you're just plugging a mic into the jack?
[20:20] <user_> right?
[20:21] <lokpest> yes a headset with to plugs
[20:21] <jpatrick> persept: thank you very much
[20:21] <user_> lokpest: ok, lemme see,...
[20:23] <user_> lokpest: hmmm.. others with the same lappy say that it is supported.  If you plug in your mic, right click the sound icon, and click "show mixer window", what do you see?
[20:24] <user_> lokpest: is there a tab for "input"?
[20:24] <lokpest> user_: three channels
[20:24] <user_> lokpest: ok, but is there a tab for "input"?
[20:25] <lokpest> yep
[20:25] <user_> lokpest: click on that, and is there a listing for mic?
[20:25] <user_> make sure the levels are turned on (not muted), and turn them up
[20:25] <lokpest> capture, capture mux, digital
[20:26] <user_> lokpest: nothing about microphones?
[20:26] <lokpest> user_: nope
[20:26] <lokpest> but a have a tab for "coverter"
[20:27] <lokpest> (not sure about the english term as I dont use english langue)
[20:27] <user_> lokpest: "switches" maybe?
[20:28] <user_> lokpest: everyone else with your computer seems to be OK, just try to make sure nothing is muted, and sound levels (like "capture") are turned up.
[20:29] <lokpest> user_: ok, so it should work out-of the-box
[20:29] <user_> lokpest: yes, that is what everyone has said
[20:29] <KlavKalashj> lokpest är en riktigt bra skiva måste jag säga=)
[20:29] <user_> lokpest: some people have had problems _recording_, but not using the mic
[20:31] <senorpedro> hi folks
[20:31] <senorpedro> is it possible to set the panel in kde4 on autohide??
[20:31] <Lynoure> lokpest: if you use kmixer for the settings, do note that the green light is for whether it plays in your speakers, and red light is whether stuff can be recorded from that source
[20:31] <senorpedro> and maybe place it on the top of the desktop?
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> senorpedro: neither is possible
[20:32] <senorpedro> nosrednaekim: why not?? that sucks, in kde3 its possible
[20:32] <Dr_willis> senorpedro,  its a work in progress
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> senorpedro: KDE 4.0.0 is not "finished" it is more of a devolopment release for people who want to create wdigets and apps
[20:33] <senorpedro> man without this particular feature the desktop is unusable for me....i mean even the xfce panel supports autohiding
[20:33] <vijay_> how to install firefox in kubuntu?
[20:33] <Dr_willis> senorpedro,  then dont use kde4.
[20:33] <senorpedro> vijay_: aptitude install firefox
[20:34] <KlavKalashj> apt-get install firefox?
[20:34] <Dr_willis> senorpedro,  The panel and other parts are still being developed and features added.
[20:34] <respati> anyone in here ever use linux media cent edition
[20:34] <Dr_willis> senorpedro,  or run the kde3 panel.
[20:34] <senorpedro> hm ok
[20:34] <KlavKalashj> Dr_willis: Isnt kde4 officially released as a non-beta version now?
[20:35] <Waschmittel> vijay_: you may also want to install mozilla-firefox-locale-(yourlanguage)
[20:35] <lokpest> Lynoure, user_: http://img341.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot3ku3.png
[20:35] <user_> KlavKalashj: i found it is always better to use "aptitude" rather than "apt-get"
[20:35] <hydrogen> I disagree
[20:35] <hydrogen> aptitude trys to outthink you
[20:35] <KlavKalashj> user_: what is difference?
[20:35] <hydrogen> and its not a good thing
[20:35] <respati> im on kubuntu 0704 kind of a noob to kubuntu and linux. i cant find the program to download more programs like xchat
[20:35] <Dr_willis> KlavKalashj,  it is what its is.. Its still very much a work in progress
[20:36] <user_> aptitude will do more in the way of depencencies and broken packages than apt-get
[20:36] <respati> where is adept/
[20:36] <KlavKalashj> Dr_willis: kk
[20:36] <respati> where is adept?
[20:37] <senorpedro> respati: alt-f2 and then type adept_manager
[20:37] <senorpedro> or alt-space if you want to use the cool katapult ;)
[20:38] <vijay_> : Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[20:38] <vijay_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[20:38] <senorpedro> vijay_: try sudo aptitude install firefox
[20:38] <user_> vijay: you probably have an instance of adept running already.  kill it with ksysguard
[20:38] <stdin> vijay_: prefix the command with sudo
[20:39] <vijay_> i did
[20:39] <vijay_> : Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[20:39] <vijay_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[20:39] <Respatix> senorpedro: Could not run the specified command.
[20:39] <jpatrick> @paste | vijay_
[20:39] <jpatrick> !paste | vijay_
[20:39] <ubotu> vijay_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[20:39] <senorpedro> Respati: look under k-menu->system->adept manager
[20:39] <user_> jpatrick: :)
[20:40] <Respatix> i used to use the gui and search programs thru the gui.  i cant find it in the menus though
[20:40] <KlavKalashj> guys, wich is best msn-substitute for linux?
[20:40] <senorpedro> or type in the terminal / Konsole : sudo adept_manager
[20:40] <user_> KlavKalashj: amsn is good
[20:40] <user_> !amsn | KlavKalashj
[20:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about amsn - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:41] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | senorpedro
[20:41] <ubotu> senorpedro: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[20:41] <user_> KlavKalashj:  http://www.amsn-project.net/
[20:41] <lokpest> user_: well, its seems I got it working
[20:41] <Lynoure> lokpest: hmm, weird. usually there is a green light just under the icons
[20:42] <user_> lokpest: what did you do?
[20:42] <user_> lokpest: i was sure it would work, but what settings did you change?
[20:42] <lokpest> Lynoure: cant get a green light or record
[20:43] <lokpest> user_: not sure, but i think the capture red light wasnt acivated
[20:43] <Lynoure> lokpest: I'll need to exit this hot noisy machine room now, (un)fortunately, but the red lights all look like they are on.
[20:43] <lokpest> user_: anyway, thanks
[20:44] <user_> lokpest: i didn't really do anything, but i'm glad its working now :)
[20:44] <Lynoure> lokpest: ah, got it working. Great :)
[20:44] <user_> gah! how do i configure Konversation to open links in firefox?  this is killing me!
[20:44] <lokpest> user_: nost problems seems to disapear when you ask somebody else ;)
[20:44] <lokpest> s/nost/most
[20:45] <user_> lokpest: i've found that to be true, too! :)
[20:45] <sasha_> how can i
[20:45] <sasha_> how can I use wget with pages made in php?
[20:46] <das6745> user_, set default in kde settings
[20:46] <jpatrick> sasha_: you can't
[20:46] <Darkrift411> Hello again
[20:46] <user_> das6745: in Kcontrol?
[20:47] <sasha_> is there another way to solve this problem?any tool to download from this kind of sites
[20:47] <jel> sasha_: do to what?  If you mean to get the php source code then, no, you can't.
[20:47] <Darkrift411> I was in here yesterday because my wife did something that made my wifi stop working. I thought buying a pcmcia wifi card would fix it, but apparently it didnt work. anyone know why neither wifi cards (build on and pcmcia) arent even being detected?
[20:47] <respati> senorpedro, adept manager is not in the menu.  sorry i just figured out it because i have installed kubuntu thru the linuxmce dvd and that is disabled to avoid automatic updates that would mess something up
[20:48] <jel> sasha_: you can download the original source via FTP or some other way that you have access to the actual files on the server.
[20:48] <Dragnslcr> sasha_- PHP just outputs normal HTML. wget will fetch the HTML just fine
[20:48] <jel> sasha_: IF you've been given such access
[20:48] <user_> darkrift411: did you try booting in recovery mode?  it seems to fix many networking problems
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift411: what is "sudo lshw" saying?
[20:48] <Respatix> senorpedro: i'll just use terminal sudo apt-get install xchat
[20:49] <val0> Darkrift411 are you using a laptop?
[20:49] <Darkrift411> yes
[20:49] <das6745> user_: emmm... in system settings
[20:49] <user_> nosrednaekim: nice command.  thats a new one for me   *writes that one down*
[20:49] <val0> Darkrift411 with a ndiswrapper?
[20:49] <senorpedro> respati: do you even have adept_manager installed? try dpkg -l '*adept*' (from the command line/Konsole/terminal, you dont need to be root for that )
[20:49] <Darkrift411> if i remember correctly, when i first got it working many months ago, ndis didnt work, but we did something else
[20:49] <val0> Darkrift411 are the drivers being loaded properly?
[20:50] <Darkrift411> i tried ndis last night, and it didnt work
[20:50] <das6745> go kde-menu->system settings->default applications
[20:50] <jel> sasha_: another issue you might be seeing is that you need to log into some sites before you can access certain content, and wget won't have the login that your browser has.  Look at it's cookie options for that, or program something using python's mechanize or similar.
[20:50] <val0> Darkrift411 what happens when you try to bring the interface up?
[20:50] <user_> das6745: got it, and it works like a charm! I always use kcontrol instead of system settings, but this is a good one to know.  thanks!
[20:50] <Darkrift411> bring what interface up
[20:50] <val0> Darkrift411 your wireless interface
[20:51] <sasha_> I have an account on my colege's site with courses. I would like to download that site on my computer with wget
[20:51] <val0> Darkrift411 what does iwconfig say?
[20:51] <sasha_> I mean what I am able to take from that site
[20:51] <jel> sasha_: you want to download your course materials, not the site?
[20:51] <sasha_> yes
[20:51] <sasha_> sorry
[20:51] <Darkrift411> lo        no wireless extensions.
[20:51] <Darkrift411> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[20:51] <ScottK> Is there anyone here who has Edgy or Feisty that would be willing to install an updated Klamav (and Clamav) from PPA for testing?
[20:51] <das6745> user_: thx you too, i miss that kcontrol is more powerfull
[20:52] <jel> sasha_: ok, read the man pages for wget, and figure out how to let it use your browser's cookies then.  Login with your browser, then use its cookies in wget as a "key" to get your stuff.
[20:52] <Darkrift411> sudo lshw doesnt show my built on wifi, or the pcmcia card
[20:52] <Darkrift411> it just shows ethernet device (lan)
[20:52] <val0> Darkrift411 ok, what about "ifup eth0"?
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift411: weird...
[20:52] <Darkrift411> eth0 appeares to be my wired lan
[20:53] <val0> Darkrift411 oh ok
[20:53] <jel> sasha_: alternatively, use something built into your browser, or kget might work
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift411: you sure you are  are running the right kernel?
[20:53] <user_> das6745:  true, but i didn't see a place to set default browser in there, so system settings is good for something! :)
[20:53] <sasha_> jel:thanks a lot for advice
[20:53] <Darkrift411> yes
[20:53] <Darkrift411> its been working for like 6 months
[20:53] <sasha_> ok
[20:53] <sasha_> I shall try
[20:53] <Darkrift411> but yesterday my isp had a hickup, and my wife needed to get on, so she started messing with stuff
[20:53] <val0> Darkrift411 I've had the same issue with the pcmcia cards not working on my x23 and took me 3 days to get it running
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> not good...
[20:54] <Darkrift411> i came home and wifi managers and other things were open
[20:54] <respati> senorpedro, i'll have to check if i even should install adept_manager.  i guess the automatic udates can mess up linux media center edition.  but i think I can shut off automatic updates and just use it for manual downloads of specific programs cant i?
[20:54] <Darkrift411> she ran everything under the internet settings section and somehow changed something
[20:54] <val0> Darkrift411 how about activate at start up option? :D
[20:54] <user_> darkrift411: dumb question: do you have wireless enabled?
[20:55] <Darkrift411> yes
[20:55] <Darkrift411> the onboard wifi was working, but its a pain in the arse chipset, so i bought a belkin pcmcia card to avoid the hassle.... but that isnt even detected
[20:55] <user_> Darkrift411: when you right click network manager, does it even list any wireless options?
[20:55] <Darkrift411> right now all i have open is kwifimanager
[20:56] <Darkrift411> which is what used to work
[20:56] <jwprox> when I enable all the repos and apt-get kde4 I get an error saying some packages are uninstallable
[20:56] <jwprox> How do I upgrade to KDE4?
[20:56] <user_> darkrift411: the fact that nothing is even detected is troublesome.  Have you tried rebooting with recovery mode?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[20:57] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:57] <Darkrift411> let me try that
[20:57] <val0> Darkrift411 check this out: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/
[20:57] <Darkrift411> brb i a few
[20:58] <miketalanca> I'm having a pretty big problem with GRUB; I had to format a few days ago and now I cannot do anything to get GRUB working; I've tried every terminal command and livecd trick (including Super GRUB disc) but I am always getting "error 15" no matter what I do.
[20:59] <miketalanca> If it matters here is my sudo fdisk -l when starting up from a livecd: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52680/
[21:01] <user_> miketalanca: try this maybe > http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-24113.html
[21:02] <user_> miketalanca: it should re-build your Grub properly
[21:02] <val0> miketalanca this could a good thing to look at too > http://www.blogmanno.com/?q=node/69
[21:02] <miketalanca> user_ I can't get the first post's trick to work correctly, and the second post doens't work at all because I get an "error 15"
[21:03] <user_> miketalanca: try val0's suggestion - just make sure you know the location of each device
[21:05] <miketalanca> Alright, I am trying that now.
[21:07] <Darkrift412> x didnt even want to start in recovery, and i had no idea what elase to do frmo there
[21:07] <user_> Darkrift412: x won't start automatically in recovery, you either can reboot or (what I do), press ctrl+d to proceed
[21:07] <Darkrift411> i c
[21:08] <user_> i probably should have mentioned that ;)
[21:08] <Darkrift411> im still pissed that somehow i ended up buying a pcmcia card with the same damned chipset in it that i was trying to avoid
[21:09] <user_> darkrift411: linux can be frustrating like that... i'm always checking to make sure the stuff is compatible
[21:09] <user_> darkrift411: but in your case, it *is* compatible, as you were using it before...
[21:09] <Darkrift411> yes
[21:09] <Darkrift411> i just dont know what went wrong
[21:09] <Darkrift411> sounds almost like a hw issue
[21:10] <firecrotch> Darkrift411:  still having wireless problems?
[21:10] <Darkrift411> onboard and pcmcia both not detected
[21:10] <val0> Darkrift411 so i guess that site helped a little? i had the same problem, i bought 2 different cards but both used the same stupid chip set
[21:10] <Darkrift411> yes firecrotch
[21:10] <user_> Darkrift411: yeah, but both pcmia *and( built-in go at the same time?
[21:10] <Darkrift411> i had been using the onboard for 6-10 months, and something happened yesterday
[21:10] <firecrotch> Wow I would have figured you'd have gotten that solved by now.  That thread on ubuntuforums didn't help?
[21:11] <Darkrift411> i couldnt get drivers reinstalled, so i gave up, and bought a new card (pcmcia)
[21:11] <nosrednaekim> Darkrift411: hmm do you have a liveCD?
[21:11] <Darkrift411> when i put it in, its not detected, and it seems to use the exact same install method/drivers as the onboard does
[21:11] <Darkrift411> no, but i guess i should dl one
[21:11] <tdn> firecrotch, I do not have access to a Windows installation, so I cannot get Helvetica from there.
[21:12] <Darkrift411> i might have my install set, which im sure has a live boot option
[21:13] <firecrotch> tdn:  Oh, well, I suppose you'd have to buy one of the commercial ones then, or get someone who has a windows install to copy the font file from
[21:13] <g2g591> tdn: sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts
[21:13] <Jeroi> !java
[21:13] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[21:13] <Darkrift411> afk,. going to look for my discs
[21:13] <user_> tdn: yeah, i think msttcorefonts has everything but tahoma
[21:14] <tdn> g2g591, user_: It does not have Helvetica.
[21:14] <g2g591> tdn: i think it has tahoma actuallly ..
[21:14] <firecrotch> it has tahoma, but does not have helvetica
[21:14] <tdn> firecrotch, ok, if I bought a Windows license, would I be allowed to copy Helvetica from it to my Kubuntu machine?
[21:15] <Jeroi> does sun-java5-jre make symbolic link to firefox?
[21:16] <firecrotch> tdn:  That's a grey area, really.
[21:17] <user_> tdn: it is *completely* possible, but i;m not sure if we can advise doing so
[21:17] <user_> tdn: i have a "friend" who did just that, and it works fine :)
[21:18] <user_> tdn: .ttf files are equally recognizable in ubuntu
[21:18] <KlavKalashj> kde4 was not really nice:P
[21:18] <KlavKalashj> tested it now
[21:18] <Darkrift411> how do i check my exact kubuntu version?
[21:19] <g2g591> Kalv: the trunk branch is pretty
[21:19] <RickKnight> nuxil:Are you still here? I think I've found the problem.
[21:19] <KlavKalashj> g2g...: :P
[21:19] <firecrotch> Darkrift411:  lsb_release -a
[21:19] <Darkrift411> k. thx
[21:19] <g2g591> Kalv: the trunk branch is pretty good i ment
[21:19] <firecrotch> Hmm... Vista apparently doesn't come with Helvetica.  I can't seem to find it, at least
[21:19] <Jeroi> how can I make java work with firefox?
[21:20] <Jeroi> I dled that jre
[21:20] <g2g591> Hmm I cant seem to find Helvetica on my xp
[21:20] <Jeroi> form multiverse
[21:20] <RickKnight> nuxil:After I created the new user account and started copying files I tried to run glxinfo. X restarted. So I think the problem must be in glx and nvidia.
[21:20] <g2g591> Jeroi: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[21:20] <Darkrift411> i have 7.04, and the site offers 6.?? or 7.10, and while i dont mind an upgrade, there might be changes in that version that would make it work but not help with debugging
[21:21] <Darkrift411> should i just try the 7.10 livecd?
[21:22] <tdn> user_, Ok :)
[21:22] <user_> Darkrift411: you can get the 7.04 livecd here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/
[21:23] <Darkrift411> the top link would be a livecd also, right?
[21:24] <Jeroi> why wont jre install plugin right away?
[21:24] <g2g591> Jeroi: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[21:24] <g2g591> Jeroi: some people dont want the plugin
[21:24] <user_> Darkrift411: i dont know what you mean- just download either the 32 bit or 64 bit version from the site
[21:24] <Darkrift411> i meant do the regular install cd's function as a livecd also? i thought they did, but wastn sure
[21:25] <user_> Darkrift411: yes.  they are the same thing :)
[21:25] <Darkrift411> k
[21:25] <Darkrift411> 10% dl
[21:25] <Darkrift411> gonna go smoke, tehn burn it
[21:25] <user_> Darkrift411: its a large file...
[21:25] <Darkrift411> we willl see if this helps
[21:25] <g2g591> Darkrift: as long as you dont download the alternate cd ... that one isnt live
[21:28] <das6745> user_: kcontrol->KDE components->Default applications =)
[21:28] <Jeroi> g2g591 packet is not available, bot one packet points to it
[21:28] <g2g591> huh?
[21:28] <Jeroi> amg64
[21:28] <Jeroi> amd64
[21:29] <sourcemaker> !nvidia
[21:29] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:29] <user_> das6745: much more hidden than in system settings!
[21:29] <g2g591> Jeroi: oh, amd64 doesn't have a java plugin, you have to install the 32 bit version, and a 32 bit browser
[21:30] <firecrotch> tdn:  This link might interest you... http://www.searchfreefonts.com/search/?p=2&q=helvetica
[21:30] <Jeroi> wel why cant I make the symbolic link?
[21:30] <Jeroi> insted?
[21:30] <Jeroi> jre is in 64bit
[21:30] <user_> tdn: can't you just arial instead?
[21:30] <g2g591> Jeroi: because the file you do the symlink from doesnt exist
[21:30] <user_> *just use
[21:30] <tdn> user_, no! Really, no! :)
[21:30] <Jeroi> how can I then enable java 64bit?
[21:30] <das6745> user_: you know that KDE guys =)
[21:31] <tdn> user_, it is just not as "perfect".
[21:31] <g2g591> Jeroi: you install the 32 bit version and a 32 bit browser
[21:31] <user_> tdn: i can't even find Helvetica on my XP install... hmmm
[21:31] <Jeroi> how?
[21:31] <tdn> user_, ok. Strange.
[21:31] <tdn> firecrotch, I'll check it. Thanks.
[21:31] <firecrotch> I couldn't find it on my Vista install either.  I think it might have a weird filename
[21:31] <g2g591> Jeroi:  im not sure, thats why i stopped using 64  bit, when i found about no java
[21:31] <mefisto_> helvetica doesn't come with windows, but there are many helvetica-like fonts
[21:32] <tdn> firecrotch, I think MS changed the font set in Vista.
[21:32] <g2g591> tdn: did you check out that found link above
[21:32] <g2g591> tdn: <firecrotch> tdn:  This link might interest you... http://www.searchfreefonts.com/search/?p=2&q=helvetica
[21:32] <tdn> g2g591, yes. I am doing that right now.
[21:32] <tdn> firecrotch, is that the real Helvetica? Or a free "implementation" of it?
[21:33] <firecrotch> tdn: I'm not sure, really
[21:33] <tdn> firecrotch, ok. I'll try it.
[21:33] <mefisto_> if you own any adobe software, you might find helvetica on the install cds
[21:33] <g2g591> firecrotch: wow thats lots of helveticas!
[21:36] <firecrotch> I'm not sure if it actually lets you download them from there though, it almost looks like it actually directs to a site where you have to pay for it
[21:36] <user_> tdn: on wikipedia, it says Arial is almost indistinguishable from Helvetica...
[21:36] <arkygeek> hi everyone
[21:37] <user_> "Monotype's Arial, designed in 1982, while different from Helvetica in some few details, has identical character widths, and is indistinguishable by most non-specialists."
[21:37] <arkygeek> how do i rebuild the linux image?  I did a dist-upgrade, and now in grub i have to boot to the old kernel. :-s
[21:37] <user_> tdn: Arial is much easier to come by
[21:37] <arkygeek> X wont start
[21:39] <user_> arkygeek: so you upgraded to 7.10, and now the grub menu lists... what, exactly?
[21:39] <sourcemaker> My nvidia card is not working... I have read the installation guide... but it does not work
[21:39] <user_> !envy >sourcemaker
[21:40] <sourcemaker> user_: yes... habve used this
[21:40] <user_> oh, then sorry :)
[21:40] <jussi01> !envy
[21:40] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[21:40] <enry> goodnight
[21:40] <jpatrick> enry: night
[21:41] <arkygeek> user_:  one generic (works)  and the other doesnt (386 or something)
[21:41] <user_> arkygeek: is the "generic" your new version?
[21:42] <user_> it should be
[21:42] <arkygeek> user_: no.
[21:42] <mefisto_> arkygeek: pastebin your /boot/grub/menu.lst
[21:42] <arkygeek> k
[21:43] <sourcemaker> the nvidia driver does not detect my nvidia card
[21:44] <sourcemaker> I have a Geforce 7800GT
[21:44] <arkygeek> user_: http://rafb.net/p/z4IZPQ97.html
[21:44] <sourcemaker> !binarydriver
[21:44] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:45] <sourcemaker> binary driver does not work
[21:46] <user_> arkygeek: the "386" version is the same as the "generic" just below it
[21:47] <arkygeek> hrm....
[21:47] <user_> arkygeek: if the one just below the two "386" entries works, just remove it from the grub menu
[21:47] <arkygeek> user_: no it isnt. the kernel image is different
[21:47] <sourcemaker> !pastebin
[21:47] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[21:48] <arkygeek> user_: yeah, thought of that.  still bugs me that it didnt work though, know what i mean?  like, wtf?"!?
[21:48]  * arkygeek heads off to remove the entry
[21:48] <user_> arkygeek: i'm pretty sure they are the same - they're both 2.6.22-14 - just with a different reference name.
[21:49] <user_> its the same kernel
[21:49] <sourcemaker> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52689/
[21:49] <arkygeek> user_: off to reboot.... brb   (and thx!) :-))
[21:50] <user_> sourcemaker: see here> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=649132
[21:52] <blizzzek> gn8
[21:53] <sourcemaker> what't the current kubuntu kernel version?
[21:54] <nosrednaekim> in gutsy?
[21:54] <sourcemaker> yes in gusty
[21:54] <nosrednaekim> 2.6.22-14
[21:54] <sourcemaker> nosrednaekim: thanks
[21:55] <mefisto_> while you're all talking kernels, has anyone installed linux-rt?
[21:55] <mefisto_> previously known as linux-lowlatency
[21:55] <user_> mefisto: i've never had good luck compiling my own kernels
[21:55] <jussi01> mefisto_: yep
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> user_: its in the repositories
[21:56] <jussi01> !rt
[21:56] <Scubar> anyone know the easiest way to get the latest nvidia forceware drivers installed ?
[21:56] <jussi01> !rt
[21:56] <ubotu> The RT kernel is the Ubuntu kernel with a realtime preemption patch applied. It is included in Ubuntu Studio by default. For more information please see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RealTime/Gutsy
[21:56] <mefisto_> jussi01: any downsides?
[21:56] <javier> hello
[21:56] <javier> alguien habla espanl
[21:56] <user_> nosrednaekim: is there anything you *don't* know? :)
[21:56] <jussi01> mefisto_: what are you using it for
[21:56] <jussi01> !es | javier
[21:56] <ubotu> javier: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[21:56] <user_> !es | javier
[21:56] <Scubar> i tried earlier and after ending x session it said something about kernel headers being wrong
[21:56] <nosrednaekim> user_: oh yes :)
[21:57] <mefisto_> music, with rosegarden and ardour
[21:57] <jussi01> mefisto_: you may want to look into ubuntustudio
[21:57] <jussi01> !ubuntustudio | mefisto_
[21:57] <ubotu> mefisto_: UbuntuStudio is a collection of packages for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best Audio/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories. For more info and install instructions, join #ubuntustudio or see http://ubuntustudio.org
[21:58] <user_> scubar: see here > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=75074
[21:58] <mefisto_> jussi01: but I can pretty much build ubuntustudio from the standard k/ubuntu, no?
[21:59] <user_> mefisto: i'd imagine so, but this has everything packaged together
[21:59] <frojnd> I have ati mobility x1400. Is there any tutorial how to install linux driver for that ?
[21:59] <jussi01> mefisto_: yeah, we have made a few changes ie. some to the limits.conf though
[21:59] <user_> frojnd: http://www.lunders-and.no/wp/?p=96
[22:00] <g2g591> frojnd: have you tried systemsettings -> advanced -> restricted manager
[22:00] <frojnd> g2g591, yes I have but I don't see any result, I still have 1024*768 :S
[22:00] <user_> frojnd: if that doesn't work, you can also try here: http://cybernetnews.com/2007/10/20/install-and-enable-restricted-drivers-in-ubuntu/
[22:02] <mefisto_> jussi01: so ubuntustudio installs linux-rt by default?
[22:02] <jussi01> mefisto_: have a look at:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/Installation
[22:02] <jussi01> mefisto_: correct
[22:03] <g2g591> so? you need to run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , and setit to use the new driver, and a better res
[22:04] <tdn> user_, and yet, Arila is not at all as perfect as Helvetica. The horizontal lines in Helvetica are missing in Arial.
[22:05] <user_> tdn: i understand they're a little different, but Arial is easy to find, and Helvetica - not so much...
[22:06] <tdn> user_, yes. I know.
[22:06] <mefisto_> thanks jussi01, I'll try the ubuntustudio-audio. I'm assuming this will also install gnome, right?
[22:07] <CppIsWeird> ive got an  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family), i had it working in 7.04, upgrading to 7.10 i get nothing. anyone know what i can do? i cant find too much on google other then people messing with alsamixer settings which have done nothing for me.
[22:07] <jussi01> mefisto_: could you join #ubuntustudio?
[22:08] <tdn> I am trying to unmount an USB storage device, and I get this error: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1053.html.
[22:08] <jussi01> CppIsWeird: is that the hda one?
[22:08] <CppIsWeird> yep
[22:08] <jussi01> !intelhda | CppIsWeird
[22:08] <ubotu> CppIsWeird: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[22:09] <tdn> http://thomasdamgaard.dk/paste/P1054.html <- Here are the process details. Should I just kill them?
[22:11] <frojnd> user_, I have enabled restricted drivers for ati but in system -> settings -> screen I only see 1024*768, 800*600 and 640*480.. Do I have manually edit xorg.conf or do I have start all xorg settings from gorund up ?
[22:11] <Darkrift411> ok, so im burning this livecd what do i want to do with it
[22:13] <CppIsWeird> im not screwing with a bunch of custom stuff
[22:13] <user_> frojnd: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    then specify your resolution
[22:14] <user_> frojnd: it will only take a couple of minutes- most things will be correctly auto-detected
[22:15] <TimS> Can Ark open password protected rar files?
[22:15] <frojnd> user_, should I pick for X server driver ATI or leave vesa ?
[22:15] <Artimus> I came here this morning with Automount issues in Gutsy.  If anyone wants this for their notes, this was the solution I found.  If automount doesn't work and/or HAL can't start, run this command as root and reboot: /usr/lib/hal/hald-generate-fdi-cache
[22:15] <jpatrick> TimS: no
[22:15] <TimS> jpatrick: Is there another program that can?
[22:15] <jpatrick> TimS: unrar e archive.rar
[22:15] <user_> frojnd: i would say try the ATI one (that's what you are using).  If it doesn't work, you can always go back and use vesa (which is generic)
[22:16] <TimS> Will it prompt for password?
[22:16] <user_> tims: if its password protected, then yes
[22:16] <TimS> Alright =]
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> Artimus: Is this the fix for automounting ntfs?
[22:17] <Artimus> Odd-rationale: No
[22:17] <Odd-rationale> Artimus: OK
[22:18] <Artimus> This is an issue where out of the box, HAL gets messed up (it'll give errors on loading KDE)
[22:18] <Artimus> I don't have any NTFS drives, so I haven't ever looked into that one
[22:18] <Odd-rationale> Artimus: OK. Mine's different, then.
[22:18] <Artimus> I've had issues where NTFS drives won't mount because of them not being cleanly unmounted from Windows.
[22:18] <Artimus> (that was mounting manually)
[22:19] <Odd-rationale> Artimus: I have an external hdd
[22:19] <adydas> is there anyway to learn the path of a sound device ( a mic )
[22:20] <Artimus> Odd-rationale: Just heads up, if you just unplug it instead of clicking "Safely Remove Hardware" in Windows or unmounting it nicely in Linux, Linux *WILL NOT* mount it next time you plug it in
[22:20] <Odd-rationale> Artimus: I can mount it manually form the command line. So it is really no problem. But it would be nice if it worked like my FAT32 flash drive.
[22:20] <user_> odd-rationale: can you format it to ext3?
[22:21] <Artimus> user_: Might as well make it FAT32 by that point.
[22:21] <Odd-rationale> user_: I use it to share files with window machines. I'm the only one in the family using linux.
[22:21] <CppIsWeird> ive got an  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family), i had it working in 7.04, upgrading to 7.10 i get nothing. anyone know what i can do? i cant find too much on google other then people messing with alsamixer settings which have done nothing for me.
[22:21] <adydas> you tryed looking at kmix
[22:22] <adydas> if i recall right upon my install with a very simlar sounding set of a situation i was required to move the sliders up
[22:22] <adydas> and turn on some things
[22:23] <Odd-rationale> Hopefully Kubuntu Hardy will fix this. (It automounts in ubuntu gnome gutsy though)
[22:25] <simion314> hi, i want to kill x and enter in terminal mode?
[22:25] <simion314> how can i kill X
[22:26] <simion314> ?
[22:26] <adydas> So you want it to allways boot in terminal mode?
[22:30] <g2g591> simion: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[22:30] <genii> simion314: Choose from login manager Console or Terminal login
[22:30] <genii> simion314: As the session
[22:36] <homelessjoe> anyone know how to remove cups without removing kde?
[22:37] <Maara> update-rc.d -f kdm remove
[22:38] <jpatrick> homelessjoe: no
[22:38] <homelessjoe> that will allow me to remove cups without having apt remove kde?
[22:38] <homelessjoe> jpatrick: arg
[22:39] <homelessjoe> i dont need cups since i dont print anything! ugh so stupid
[22:39] <homelessjoe> theres no way to break the "dependency" on it? even though its not actually dependent on it?
[22:40] <firecrotch> homelessjoe: what is it saying is dependent on cups ?
[22:41] <homelessjoe> kde
[22:41] <homelessjoe> and vice versa
[22:41] <firecrotch> that's odd.  I would expect kubuntu-desktop to be dependent on it, but not kde itself
[22:42] <homelessjoe> technically it does say kubuntu-desktop
[22:42] <firecrotch> kubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package that depends on _everything_ that is installed by default
[22:43] <CppIsWeird> ive got an  Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family), i had it working in 7.04, upgrading to 7.10 i get nothing. anyone know what i can do? i cant find too much on google other then people messing with alsamixer settings which have done nothing for me.
[22:43] <jason__> i am having an issue with kaffeine or xine not sure what the problem is but it keeps saying that all the video drivers failed to load. it was working fine last night but now it won't do didley
[22:43] <homelessjoe> is there a way to delete that met package without actually removing anything? in a way breaking that dependency
[22:43] <homelessjoe> meta*
[22:44] <firecrotch> you can just remove kubuntu-desktop, it shouldn't delete the things that it depends on
[22:45] <homelessjoe> hmm
[22:45] <homelessjoe> i really hope so
[22:45] <homelessjoe> that seems to remove all of kde
[22:45] <firecrotch> well, I don't even have kubuntu-desktop installed on my system, and I'm running KDE :)
[22:45] <homelessjoe> *is going to try it now*
[22:46] <homelessjoe> omg my machine is running like ass for some reason! is there a way to turn off power management?
[22:46] <firecrotch> homelessjoe:  besides, it would list all packages that are going to be removed before doing anything
[22:47] <firecrotch> just make sure that it ONLY lists kubuntu-desktop, and you'll be fine
[22:47] <homelessjoe> k
[22:48] <jason__> anybody? anybody have a clue where to begin for fixing xine video drivers
[22:50] <Odd-rationale>  Hello! I'm having trouble connecting to last.fm with amarok. I get this error: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52697/ I have already double-check to make sure my username ans password are correct. Thanks for your help!
[22:50] <g2g591> jason_:sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[22:52] <g2g591> odd: working on it
[22:52] <jason__> it's installed
[22:53] <Odd-rationale> g2g591: were you talking to me?
[22:54] <g2g591> Odd-rationale: im working on loading that pastebin page, im multitasking
[22:54] <Odd-rationale> g2g591: OK Thanks.
[22:55] <jason__> i even tried reinstalling it... same problem
[22:56] <g2g591> Odd-rationale: this is just a weird error -> over my head
[22:57] <Odd-rationale> g2g591: OK. Thanks anyways.
[22:58] <jason__> as i said it was working fine last night and now i am getting "All Video Drivers failed to initialize!"
[23:00] <g2g591> jason_: thats wierd
[23:00] <jason__> yeah, the thing is, amarok is working fine
[23:04] <jason__> i've tried reinstalling everything, I just don't understand it
[23:10] <Kloplop32> I have a quick question, where is the bash script that acts after the user is logged in? I need to set a variable with export, but global, and not just in that terminal session
[23:12] <adz21c> i think one of might be ~/.profile, but don't take my word on that
[23:13] <sourcemaker> simple question: nvidia-glx is working fine... nvidia-glx-new not... shouldn't I use nvidia-glx-new for newer nvidia cards?
[23:13] <adz21c> sourcemaker: which card?
[23:13] <sourcemaker> 7800GT
[23:14] <Kloplop32> hm...
[23:14] <adz21c> yea i would think new is what you should be using
[23:14] <Kloplop32> I have a FX one, and I know glx on linux was meant for general FX
[23:14] <alex_mayorga> hello all, what's the easiest way to go from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[23:14] <sourcemaker> adz21c: but with glx-new... I receive an api missmatch
[23:14] <Kloplop32> install the KDE environment
[23:15] <adydas> how can i idenfity a sound device
[23:15] <adz21c> alex_mayorga: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[23:15] <alex_mayorga> adz21c, thanks
[23:15] <adz21c> sourcemaker: sounds like somethings going wrong when removing the old driver
[23:16] <adz21c> sourcemaker: then you get a mix of both and it isn't happy
[23:16] <sourcemaker> adz21c: the old driver is working fine
[23:16] <Kloplop32> adz21c, do you know where that ~/.profile may be at?
[23:16] <Kloplop32> sourcemaker, then I would just stay with the old one :/
[23:16] <sourcemaker> adz21c: when I purge nvidia-glx and install nvidia-glx-new... kdm is not working due api missmatch
[23:17] <adz21c> sourcemaker: yea thats what I mean, the old driver is install, but doesn't remove correctly then install new and u get a mix and all hell breaks loose
[23:17] <sourcemaker> adz21c: ok
[23:17] <steve_> hi
[23:17] <steve_> oh ffs
[23:17] <adz21c> sourcemaker: like Kloplop32 says tho, unless you have problems with the old driver might as well stick to it
[23:17] <steve_> stupid Konversation
[23:17] <Darkrift411> ok, nothing is working, still cant get wifi going, so im going to try to upgrade to 7.10
[23:17] <alex_mayorga> adz21c, I tried with aptitude but it asks to remove all my language packs
[23:17] <TheGull> hi
[23:17] <bascule> I can't seem to set a cover on some tunes I have just downloaded, the set cover options are all greyed out in edit track information and the sidebar, any ideas?
[23:18] <Darkrift411> everyone told me the adept update will prob fail, or not go smooth, but at this point, with no wifi, i could care less
[23:18] <Darkrift411> any words of wisdom for me?
[23:18] <Scubar> does anyone know how i could get some form of sound on my X-Fi Prelude sound card ?
[23:18] <adz21c> alex_mayorga: odd, but other than performing a full install from a kubuntu disc or picking out packages individually thats the key package
[23:18] <TheGull> \part
[23:19] <alex_mayorga> in the aptitude punctuation a bigger number is a worst thing right?
[23:19] <jason__> ok, i solved the problem, i didn't have libxine1-x installed
[23:19] <adz21c> Scubar: the X-Fi only has some beta 64bit drivers available
[23:19] <lod_> I have a Q. about Cedega, to update from 6.0 to 6.0.5 must I apply all updates before 6.0.5
[23:19] <Kloplop32> thanks adz21c I found the .profile file, restarting now to test if variable is set
[23:19] <adz21c> lod_: no
[23:19] <lod_> 10x
[23:19] <adz21c> Kloplop32:  gl
[23:21] <sourcemaker> does the RT kernel performs better on desktop systems?
[23:23] <lod_> iwconfig wlan0 mode master
[23:23] <lod_> Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) :
[23:23] <lod_>     SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument.
[23:23] <Scubar> anyone got a X-Fi Prelude working on ubuntu ?
[23:23] <jussi01> sourcemaker: not really
[23:23] <Scubar> even if its just basic output
[23:24] <Scubar> kinda makes me sad cause i wanted to play quake wars on here :(
[23:24] <adz21c> Scubar: http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html
[23:24] <nickpresta> For some reason, whenever I try to login, the computer hangs before I can get to the desktop or the login process sends me back to the login screen. Ideas?
[23:24] <Darkrift411> i love linux
[23:24] <Darkrift411> getting a FREE os upgrade, at 2000kb/s over the internet
[23:24] <Darkrift411> when will ms learn
[23:24] <Scubar> ill take a look
[23:25] <Scubar> unforunately the Prelude is made by Auzentech
[23:25] <Scubar> although they still use the creative drivers but not sure which ones
[23:25] <adz21c> Scubar: well they will use the same chip
[23:25] <nickpresta> I applied the latest updates (including the previously broken X package) so I think that could be the problem...
[23:27] <Scubar> that only has 64bit driver :\
[23:27] <Scubar> unless im being blind
[23:27] <adz21c> yea
[23:27] <adz21c> there is only a 64bit driver
[23:27] <adz21c> and its beta
[23:27] <Scubar> im runnin i386
[23:27] <adz21c> i was thinking about getting an xfi till i found
[23:27] <adz21c> out
[23:28] <Darkrift411> should going from 7.04 to 7.10 give any more hw support?
[23:28] <Scubar> Auzentech are making a driver at the moment but they only say its scheduled for Q1 08
[23:28] <Scubar> i hate waiting
[23:28] <nickpresta> Darkrift411: I would imagine so. Newer kernel, etc.
[23:28] <Darkrift411> cool
[23:28] <PriceChild> Darkrift411, yes, for the latest hardware
[23:29] <Darkrift411> im scared still
[23:29] <adz21c> Scubar: i don't think there is much else u can do except use an onboard card if you have one till then?
[23:29] <adz21c> Scubar: under linux
[23:29] <Darkrift411> ppl in here told me not to do the "version upgrade" but right now my computer is as good as useless without wifi
[23:29] <Kloplop32> .profile isn't it adz21c :/
[23:29] <nickpresta> PriceChild: if possible, could you list the packages that were affect via the latest update or which were directly related to X? I think I need to downgrade.
[23:29] <adz21c> Kloplop32: your just trying to set an enviroment variable when logging in?
[23:30] <Kloplop32> do you at least know how/where to set environmental variables?
[23:30] <Kloplop32> yep
[23:30] <adz21c> Kloplop32: and what did you put?
[23:30] <PriceChild> nickpresta, it has been fixed with newer packages.
[23:30] <Kloplop32> export PSPDEV=/user/local/pspdev
[23:30] <nickpresta> PriceChild: I'm having trouble logging into my desktop and the only thing I've done recently is update those packages. =(
[23:31] <gan|y|med> hi
[23:31] <adz21c> Kloplop32: weird cos it worked for me
[23:31] <PriceChild> nickpresta, not related.
[23:31] <PriceChild> nickpresta, give the channel more information on the errors you are experiencing.
[23:32] <Scubar> i have the special SoundFX that came with my Asus Blitz mobo
[23:32] <Kloplop32> yeah, I know it works in the terminal, but it isn't global systemwide. It has to be able to be used inside of a C script compiled by gcc
[23:32] <nickpresta> For some reason, whenever I try to login, the computer hangs before I can get to the desktop or the login process sends me back to the login screen.
[23:32] <Scubar> so i could try popping that in and using that in linux and using my Prelude in Vista
[23:32] <adz21c> Kloplop32: oh ok, got ya, it isn't on a per user basis then
[23:32] <Kloplop32> I can go: echo $PSPDEV and it returns blank, but then I do export... then it works
[23:33] <Kloplop32> well I am the only user, it just has to be able to be constant and preset in the system
[23:33] <lotfi> i'm here
[23:33] <lotfi> lol
[23:34] <adz21c> Kloplop32: try /etc/rc.local?
[23:34] <Kloplop32> because when it starts a session  export only works in that section
[23:34] <Kloplop32> yes I already tried that
[23:34] <Kloplop32> and I already tried /etc/init.d/rc.local
[23:35] <adz21c> well you tried all the ones i know of
[23:36] <Kloplop32> I know :(
[23:37] <Scubar> is wine still the best for running win bins ?
[23:38] <Darkrift411> id think so
[23:38] <Darkrift411> i run world of warcraft in wine
[23:38] <Darkrift411> runs great
[23:38] <Darkrift411> crossover office is good, but its just wine with a facelife as far as i can tell
[23:38] <bascule> Kloplop32: /etc/bash.bashrc
[23:38] <Scubar> its k im gettin wine now anyway
[23:39] <Scubar> its only 2 apps i need to run
[23:39] <Scubar> and i know they run under wine
[23:39] <Kloplop32> bascule, I'll look
[23:41] <Darkrift411> how important is the package debconf ?
[23:41] <Darkrift411> because that package was corrupted in my version upgrade
[23:41] <adydas> Cripes can somone tell me how you install flash when its erroring
[23:41] <Scubar> dunno flash isnt working for me in opera
[23:42] <Darkrift411> oh crap
[23:42] <Darkrift411> x11-common also got messed up
[23:42] <Darkrift411> i feel like im going to have major problems
[23:42] <adydas> ive done it on drapper or feisty
[23:42] <adydas> but cant get flash plugin to work with gutsy for some reason i get a md5 error
[23:42] <applehypnosis> adydas, url coming up
[23:42] <adydas> Cheers ears, i aint even got it going by putting liflashplayer.so into operas plugins folder
[23:44] <nickpresta> exit
[23:44] <Kloplop32> thanks to the person who told me about /etc/bash.bashrc :) (forgot your name) thanks
[23:46] <applehypnosis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[23:46] <JoshOvki> evening
[23:46] <adydas> 4 me?
[23:46] <applehypnosis> that's not what i'm looking for but it should work
[23:46] <applehypnosis> yeah
[23:46] <applehypnosis> i'll keep loking
[23:47] <applehypnosis> there is one where you simply open up nano/gedit/vim and comment out the md5 matching section =[ but for the life of me I can't see it
[23:47] <NickPresta> How would one go about uninstalling the nvidia driver installed with Nvidia's .run package?
[23:47] <maria> I have a problem with 'kmix'. I get 'It seems like kmix is not running' error when I attempt to adjust the volume.
[23:48] <adydas> NickPresta: are you using gutsy?
[23:48] <adydas> if so theres a much easyer way to do it, System settings > Advanced > restriced Drivers
[23:49] <vlt> Hello. I'm looking for an audio player that can do the following: When skipping to the next track (manually) I want the current track to fade out in 500 ms. Any idea?
[23:49] <adydas> vlt: tryed amarok?
[23:50] <maria> I am having problems getting kmix. 'Mixer cannot be found'
[23:50] <Scubar> cant xmms do it ?
[23:50] <bascule> it was obvious after the event, no album tag set :)
[23:51] <adydas> vlt: amarok has a crossfading optiong
[23:51] <adydas> set in ms
[23:51] <NickPresta> adydas, I know about restricted-manager :) I needed to use the latest version to support an 8800 GT. I am going back to the version in the repos. I actually figured out how to uninstall the .run package.
[23:51] <adydas> vlt:  its under the playback option menu
[23:52]  * bascule knows vlt was just in #amarok asking the same thing :)
[23:52] <adydas> ah
[23:52] <vlt> adydas: amarok fades the next track in. I need it to play immediately and only the current one to fade out.
[23:52] <adydas> well i just setit up and tryed and does excatly what he wants.. :p
[23:52] <bascule> wants fade in in the second tune
[23:52] <adydas> oh
[23:52] <bascule> not sure why though ... :)
[23:53] <adydas> what about no crossfading, and turn on fade out
[23:53] <adydas> so it starts the next one, and fades out the other?
[23:53] <hydrogen> thats only on exit
[23:53] <adydas> oh bummer
[23:53] <adydas> well im out of ideas :P
[23:53] <bascule> he seems to want fade *in* on the second tune
[23:54] <adydas> to be hoenst im crossfading now and you cant really tell
[23:54] <bascule> I turn it off, annoys me to death :)
[23:55] <adydas> oh im going to turn it off, just saying if thats what you want its as close to it as i think youd get, and its so close what diff is there..
[23:55] <bascule> :)
[23:56] <adydas> applehypnosis: am i understanding correcltly that there is a deb file to install flash?
[23:56] <Jabapyth> whats the command to "version upgrade" from the command line?
[23:57] <adydas> apt-get upgrade
[23:57] <adydas> ?
[23:57] <bascule> Jabapyth: well I edit /etc/apt/sources.list to point to the new release and dist-upgrade
[23:57] <adydas> or apt-get -u dist-upgrade
[23:57] <bascule> Jabapyth: so basically change all feisty to gutsy
[23:57] <Jabapyth> thanks
[23:58] <firecrotch> That's a VERY bad way to upgrade to gutsy
[23:58] <bascule> mine?
[23:58] <Jabapyth> really?
[23:58] <adydas> firecrotch: must agree never worked for me...
[23:58] <firecrotch> editing sources.list and then updating, yes.  It's been known to break people's systems
[23:59] <bascule> firecrotch: what is the suggested way?
[23:59] <firecrotch> If you're running Kubuntu, why would you want to do it from the command line?
[23:59] <bascule> !upgrade > bascule