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michaelfaviadid the new gnome-keyring solve th elogin issue for anyone?00:32
* michaelfavia is going to restart to try but was hesitant to do the gdm shuffle yet again00:33
gabspecktoday i decided to check out the gnash plugin, so i removed the flashplugin-nonfree packaged and installed mozilla-plugin-gnash. after playing with it, i removed it and reinstalled flashplugin-nonfree. sound in flash is not working for me if a multimedia program such as rhythmbox since i did so. i'm using hardy.. any help?00:54
gabspeck*such as rhythmbox is open at the same time00:54
gabspeckany thoughts? ._.00:56
gabspeckhm01:02
gabspeckis pulseaudio support broken for now or i'm just unlucky?01:02
samiamhi all01:41
samiamquick question01:42
samiamin gutsy and hardy we are using the new autoconfig X configuration01:42
samiamwhen you change graphics cards how do you get the reconfiguration to look at your hardware again01:42
samiamI new three months ago but forgot :-(01:43
samiamI guess the best way to ask the question is "how do you force bulletproof-X to reconfigure your hardware"?01:45
WorkingOnWisewhere can I get applets for awn that's in the repos?01:51
RyanPriorI'm having trouble getting Rhythmbox to play. I get debug output as shown here: http://pastebin.ubuntu-nl.org/52515/02:01
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DanaGWow, I just tried OSSv4 just for the heck of it, and boy is it complicated.04:07
DanaGIt leaves figuring out pin configs entirely up to the user.04:07
DanaGSo you can screw around with line-in and line-out, but at the same time, you HAVE to figure out what the heck they mean by 'front pink' and 'front blue' and 'front green'04:08
DanaG(Neither of my two jacks is colored.)04:08
tretlealsa seems to work best for me04:11
tretlealows me to configure all my output/input stuff04:11
tretleona a 7.1 hdsoundcard04:11
DanaGI can't set "line in as output" or "mic as output" on my hda-intel.04:11
tretlepulse audio only alows me to change the output levels of one04:12
DanaGI also can't get any capture at all on it.04:12
tretlelol04:12
DanaGIn fact, it doesn't even manage to capture 'NOTHING'.04:12
tretleand alsa?04:12
DanaGInstead, it merely hangs.04:13
DanaGEven with just bare ALSA, I mean.04:13
tretleand how about pulse? that work for u?04:14
DanaGYeah.04:16
DanaGI have three audio devices, though I normally use only two.04:16
DanaGOnboard audio for system and web stuff, and for when 'on the go'.04:17
DanaGCardbus Audigy for music, and USB sound card for voice chat (though I have yet to actually voice-chat with anyone...)04:17
DanaGThough the auto-restore-stream-to-device on hotplug doesn't work with Exaile.04:18
tretlewhat do u use for voice chat?04:25
tretlewaiting for banter or empathy myself04:25
DanaGHmm, ekiga is the only one I remember well, and I don't remember how well it gets along with PulseAudio.04:38
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coz_Hey guys wanted to say that I did try hardy  for a while but the one big issue for me was that wacom tablet driver was a bit messed up06:01
DanaGOh yeah, if it's USB, then you can use that thingy in Virtualbox, too!06:01
coz_I use dual monitors   but the tablet driver only allowed the cursor to work on th primary monitor06:01
DanaGNice safe way of testing.06:01
DanaGOh, dual monitors with Virtualbox?  Beats me how you'd do that.06:02
coz_DanaG, well as soon as the wacom tablet driver is fixed i will go ahead and reinstall hardy06:02
coz_there are few other bugs I believe I have already reported though06:02
UnNaturalHighis it possible to get networkmanager to deassociate with an AP without actually disabling the interface?06:17
crimsunnot that I'm aware.06:17
pwnguinnm-tool perhaps?06:18
pwnguinor maybe if you send it a message06:18
pwnguinvia dbus06:18
crimsunI'd bypass nm altogether and just do it via wpa_cli06:19
crimsun(which, essentially, is what nm does)06:20
pwnguini still dont get the motivation behind nm06:20
DanaGNetworkManager is buggy after suspend and resume.06:20
DanaGI have to kill and restart it.06:20
crimsunnm works fine here06:20
UnNaturalHighnm-tool merely provides information06:20
pwnguinfedora supposedly has system wide nm networks06:21
DanaGHmm, what wifi card?  I have iwl3945.06:21
crimsunI'm not using hardy's kernel, however06:21
pwnguinheh06:21
DanaGBut also, I do pass "qos_enable=1" and "hwcrypto=1" to the module.06:21
crimsun(2.6.23.14)06:21
UnNaturalHighwpa_cli doesn't work either06:21
pwnguinhardy's kernel finally mounts my sd card06:21
DanaGOh yeah, did you see my earlier comments about OSS?06:21
crimsun02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI (rev 01)06:21
DanaGIt gave me a bit of a new appreciation for the fiddlyness of HD Audio devices.06:22
pwnguinfirst time since like 2.6.1506:22
crimsunnot sure what you mean by "OSS" or "fiddlyness of HD Audio"06:22
UnNaturalHighpwnguin, what are system wide nm networks?06:22
DanaGOSSv4, the third-party sound system.  It gives manual control of pin settings, but names things only by color.06:22
pwnguinUnNaturalHigh: as in default networks that the entire system can use06:23
crimsunyou have manual control of pins with ALSA, too06:23
pwnguinbefore anyone logs in06:23
UnNaturalHighahhh06:23
crimsunyou just need debug enabled in the kernel config06:23
UnNaturalHighpwnguin, I just wish I could disconnect from the network06:23
crimsunALSA is a real PITA, as is OSSv4, as is ...06:23
DanaGThe actual device?06:25
crimsunwhat do you mean?06:25
crimsunfor ALSA, you need hwdep and debug both enabled06:26
DanaGI was guessing at what the ellipsis led to.06:26
crimsunoh, I'm alluding to every existing sound subsystem06:26
DanaGAah.06:26
pwnguinthis is so annoying06:27
pwnguini cant log in with my normal user06:27
pwnguinas it crashes X06:27
DanaGTry logging into terminal and running gnome-session from there.06:28
pwnguinwhat?06:28
pwnguincrashes06:28
pwnguinas in, coredump06:28
pwnguinsegfault06:28
DanaGEven failsafe-terminal?06:28
DanaGPerhaps a .X(something) file is messed up, or something.06:28
pwnguini guess that works06:29
pwnguinbut the xorg backtrace i got last time was pretty clear that it was a null pointer06:29
DanaGDo you have compiz enabled?  If so, easy temporary fix: sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/compiz06:30
DanaGMakes it not executable.06:30
pwnguincompiz works for the other user06:30
pwnguinand i dont think so06:30
pwnguinif i log in via failsafe-terminal, running gnome-session there crashes it06:31
crimsunI disable DRI so compiz's not even an option06:31
pwnguinhmm06:33
pwnguin.xsession errors has some interesting parts06:33
pwnguinah06:39
pwnguinive been going about this wrong06:39
pwnguini just need to load the core file, and i guess the default size is now zero06:39
crimsunpwnguin: just set it to unlimited06:51
crimsun`ulimit -c unlimited`06:52
pwnguincrimsun: that doesnt seem to be doing the trick =(06:53
alteregolioi smoke a hardy06:53
pwnguini still get 0 length core dumps06:53
crimsunpwnguin: are you executing the app from the tty in which that ulimit is set?06:54
pwnguinim calling init.d gdm restart06:54
pwnguinbut hey, at least network manager isnt working anymore after that last update06:56
* DanaG wonders if networkmanager would, ironically, work better with broadcom than with Intel.06:58
pwnguinhmm. [config/hal] couldn't initialise context (null) ((null))07:01
pwnguinthat sounds not good07:01
crimsunDanaG: it does07:04
DanaGAfter all that about Intel being better?  Wow, that IS (at least marginally) funny.07:04
alteregoliosomething is garbage on the RT kernel07:05
DarkMageZanyone up for helping me with compiz & fglrx? it won't enable for some reason. Xorg.0.log says composite is enabled. no obvious errors in there about aiglx or composite or anything else.07:05
alteregolioi would say the whole molnar patch is garbage07:06
pwnguini keep hearing people saying sudo chmod -x /usr/bin/compiz07:06
crimsunDanaG: I don't know if I can make a blanket statement.  IME, however, b43 is as reliable as ipw2200.07:06
DarkMageZcompiz has execute ? so that's all good ?07:06
DanaG-x is to make it NOT executable.07:06
pwnguindonno07:06
crdlbDarkMageZ: and what happens exactly if you try to run compiz --replace ?07:08
crimsunalteregolio: ...or you could tell him how it is, and he can work to fix it.07:09
DarkMageZcrdlb, http://pastebin.ca/86268107:09
pwnguinso how critical is HAL to network connectivity?07:11
crdlbDarkMageZ: twice isn't enough :)07:12
crdlbit needs to appear three times in glxinfo to "count"07:12
crdlbso you do not have texture_from_pixmap07:12
crimsunpwnguin: pretty critical if you use nm.  Completely non-critical if you don't use nm.07:12
crdlbDarkMageZ: what does 'glxinfo | grep direct' say?07:13
DarkMageZhmm, but i've managed to get this version of fglrx working before.07:13
DarkMageZdirect rendering: Yes07:13
crdlbhmm07:13
pwnguincrimsun: so next question. where do the ifconfig definitions come from?07:13
crdlb!info xserver-xorg-core hardy07:13
ubotuxserver-xorg-core: Xorg X server - core server. In component main, is optional. Version 2:1.4.1~git20080105-1ubuntu3 (hardy), package size 3987 kB, installed size 10908 kB07:13
crdlbah07:13
crdlbyou're out of luck07:13
DarkMageZwho broke what where?07:14
crdlbfglrx does not support AIGLX on xorg-server 1.407:14
crdlbuse Xgl, or go back to gutsy if you want to use compiz07:14
DarkMageZah. well then... time for me to revert xserver-xorg-core07:14
crdlbO_o I really wouldn't suggest that07:14
pwnguinso it was /etc/network/interface07:14
crimsunpwnguin: ...ifconfig definitions?  used by which tool?07:14
DarkMageZcrdlb, why?07:15
pwnguinifconfig, and ifupdown ;)07:15
pwnguinbut ive figured it out07:15
crimsunpwnguin: ifconfig doesn't care about /etc/network/interfaces.07:15
pwnguinwell it wasnt showing anything but lo07:15
crimsunonly ifup/ifdown and nm do07:15
crimsunright, because anything enabled in /e/n/i will not be managed by nm07:16
pwnguinwell, close enough07:16
crimsun(that's how static configs in nm work)07:16
crdlbDarkMageZ: because that's a somewhat critical system package with lots of interactions with many other important packages?07:16
DarkMageZsounds like fun. i'm going to do it.07:17
pwnguini just forgot that when i tried to change the file i was using a user without sudo =(07:17
DarkMageZhmm, maybe not. this would mean reverting to a package that's over 2 months old.07:18
alteregoliohardweed is great07:18
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pwnguincute, it seems that "erasor" is the device segfaulting X07:38
UnNaturalHighhow long before they stop adding new packages to hardy heron?07:54
pwnguinhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule07:55
pwnguinfeature freeze is about a month from now07:55
pwnguinbut i think it's already past new package freeze07:56
pwnguinfortunately, you can always request an exception07:56
UnNaturalHighheh, I doubt they will accept I want aircrack-ng because it supports packet injection for my b43/b43legacy for a package07:57
UnNaturalHighmaybe if I slightly reword it07:57
pwnguinis aircrack-ng already in the archive with an old version?07:58
UnNaturalHighwell to be honest I am not even sure aircrack-ng will have the next version out by the time feature freeze happens07:58
UnNaturalHighcurrently it is only supported from svn07:59
pwnguin'sides, injection is evil ;)08:01
UnNaturalHighnot really, it does have practical uses08:01
UnNaturalHighyou need packet injection for penetration testing of any sort08:01
UnNaturalHighheh, penetration is such a great08:02
pwnguinim thinking if you need that, just use a ppa08:03
UnNaturalHighppa?08:03
pwnguinpersonal package archive08:03
UnNaturalHighone thing I have not learnt how to do yet is package deb's08:03
* UnNaturalHigh still thinks ebuild's and PKGBUILD's are easier08:03
UnNaturalHighwhen I looked at the wiki on making a deb there is so many things to add to produce a good deb file08:04
UnNaturalHightedious imho08:04
pwnguinmost of that is for main archive quality08:04
UnNaturalHighis there a good article on just making a quick deb package?08:05
UnNaturalHighthat you know of08:05
pwnguinthe packaging guide section on cdbs08:05
pwnguinif you like ebuilds08:05
crimsunno, the new packages freeze has been absorbed into feature freeze for 8.0408:06
crimsunwe continue to process new source packages08:06
UnNaturalHighcrimsun, are you a developer?08:07
crimsunyes.08:07
pwnguinstill, i doubt anyone's gonna pull from a cvs08:07
crimsunpwnguin: it happens regularly08:07
crimsunsee that gcc-4.2 package you've installed?  It's a snapshot.08:08
pwnguinfor the most important core stuff, sure08:08
UnNaturalHighcrimsun, where would I make such a request for a feature to be pulled from svn or would I have to make a patch and submit it?08:08
crimsunsame for linux, etc.08:08
crimsunUnNaturalHigh: a debdiff is appreciated.08:08
pwnguinpulling from svn is usually a sign that you'll be following the package closely, from what ive observed08:09
crimsunyes, that's generally the case.08:10
crimsune.g., compiz08:10
crimsunaircrack-ng | 1:1.0~beta1-1 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc08:10
crimsunwhat specifically do you need with it, UnNaturalHigh?08:10
UnNaturalHighwell I have yet to test the svn as I am just compiling it but it is supposed to have support for packet injection on b43/b43legacy drivers08:11
UnNaturalHighthis might be more something though in line with nUbuntu08:12
crimsunUnNaturalHigh: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing#head-b205c74e27fe15e79e10c9e7f14d3cdfb359d81d08:16
UnNaturalHighthanks, I will read it over before I fall asleep08:16
* UnNaturalHigh is out08:16
UnNaturalHighgnight gents08:17
crimsunurg, late.08:31
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DreadKnightheya10:18
DreadKnighthow do i update kubuntu to alpha3?10:18
DreadKnightis there a command line option like in kubuntu? :)10:19
DreadKnightlike in ubuntu*10:19
DreadKnighteh, damn kde4 bugs :D ...10:22
blazhi10:27
blazhow I should install nvidia restricted drivers in hardy ? In system settings, under advanced tab, there is no option for restricted drivers10:27
Aishikoso kde4 is in hardy?10:36
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blazyes10:38
Laser87Hi!11:11
motopluxhi all12:20
beerockxsdoes anyone know what would cause severely reduced download speeds compared to gutsy over wlan?12:54
beerockxsusing an rt73 card12:55
beerockxsnm, found the bug in launchpad13:01
spikehi, I've searched launchpad but I cant see any bug exactly like mine and would like to discuss it a bit if possible before filing: using i386 alternative CD, if I setup an encrypted partition, once I'm done and it goes on formatting etc installation stalls13:24
spikeopening a second shell I can see S partman processes13:24
spikeinstalling with the desktop CD or alternate with no encryption will work fine13:25
spikeanother weird thing is, out of 5 boot from CD only one or two will have my keyboard working. cant see anything about this either13:28
cwillu_what kind of keyboard?13:31
cwillu_ps2 or usb?13:31
spikeurgh, apparently I failed badly at describing my system, sorry. this is on a macbook santarosa. they keyboard also fails with the desktop CD but never fails again during system usage13:37
spikeone problem is, the alternate CD doesnt have a countdown so you cant just wait13:38
cwillu__who was asking about installing with encryption problems?14:54
cwillu__spike?14:54
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spikecwillu__: I was yes14:57
cwillu__I was just reading through the latest updates14:59
cwillu__there was some changes re: loopback device installations, not quite sure what it was about15:00
cwillu__might want to try a nightly cd image15:01
spikecwillu__: ok, will do, thank you15:01
spikealtho I was just trying with a gutsy alternate CD and I have the exact same problem :/. I wonder if it's something up with creating encrypted volumes as manual partitioning. I have several boxes installed with encrypted root but I always used the guided "encrypted lvm"15:03
spikenow I need to save the osx partition so I cant use that :/15:03
spikeand there's no "encrypted lvm using free space"15:04
sajesHow do you change the gdm theme?15:11
IdleOne!themes | sajes15:23
ubotusajes: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy15:23
IdleOnesajes: I believe you just drag and drop onto the theme manager15:23
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BrucevdkThis is probably not Hardy specific at all, but I'm running GNOME and for some reason pure QT apps have totally different font settings (not seemingly controlable through kcontrol either). KDE apps are fine, as controlled by kcontrol. What's up? I Googled but nothing even remotely relevant came up.16:32
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BrucevdkMeh, found out QT has a seperate control utility (qtconfig)16:34
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magnetikhi16:51
magnetikSome windows (xchat at the moment) are losing name, and have the time to replace it16:52
magnetikis it a known bug ?16:52
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syntaxerror55So Dapper>Hardy is definitely going to happen, right?16:58
magnetikYou know there is a few versions between dapper and hardy :)16:59
syntaxerror55yes, I do.16:59
syntaxerror55I just kept the LTS version16:59
syntaxerror55because it was LTS16:59
magnetikbut yes hardy will be LTS17:00
syntaxerror55But will Dapper>Hardy be supported?17:01
magnetikAnd if you never saw any version since Dapper, you will have a lot of good surprise :)17:01
magnetikthe update should work yep17:02
magnetikand some kind of re-installation shoud be a good idea17:02
syntaxerror55magnetik, nope, I haven't seen (or really looked at screencaps) of any version since dapper.17:03
burnerwow17:04
burnerit'll be an amazing experience17:04
magnetikno idea for my bug ?17:04
magnetikI wanna post it17:04
syntaxerror55burner, so I hear17:05
crdlbmagnetik: what do you mean by "losing name"?17:05
magnetikcrdlb, you know in the bar at the bottom on the screen ?17:07
magnetikthe taskbar I suppose17:07
crimsunsyntaxerror55: yes, 6.06>8.04 is explicitly supported17:07
syntaxerror55crimsun, good. :D17:08
magnetikFor example, atm, I have GIMP opened, and a few minutes ago, the name wasn't gimp but "18:08:04" (and counting)17:08
crdlberr that's really odd17:09
crdlbdo you still have the clock in the normal place too?17:09
magnetikyep17:10
magnetikit happens with random window17:10
magnetikonly once17:10
magnetikhttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/3564/capture3lz4.png screenshot here17:11
magnetiki'm posting on launchpad anyway17:12
crdlbwell, an app could decide to set its title to a ticking clock, but that would be rather silly17:12
magnetikit happened with Xchat, gimp and a nautilus folder17:12
magnetikhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/18437517:13
ubotuLaunchpad bug 184375 in ubuntu "[Hardy] Window's name replaced by time in taskbar" [Undecided,New]17:13
magnetikexactly :)17:13
magnetik(Does the bot follows the link or post everytime a bug in filled in ?)17:14
crdlbin this channel, yes17:14
motopluxhi all17:19
magnetikhi17:19
motopluxI have a weird problem. When the session start, the gnome panel disappear. I have to open a terminal, kill gnome-panel e it start again. But after a while it disappear again...17:20
motopluxwhere I can find a log, or there is a way to start it in verbose mode?17:20
motoplux*is there17:20
motopluxthe gnome-panel process is still running, but I cannot see it17:30
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WorkingOnWise i have to hand write my xorg.conf file do get my video working right in ubuntu Hardy. how can I find out what to use for the settings for my laptops display. the only things I know are color depth and resolution.19:14
WorkingOnWisecan anyone with Nvidia GeForce Go 6100 or 6150 on a laptop,  and able to use 3d acceleration,  please pastebin me their xorg.conf?19:18
WorkingOnWise!pastebin19:19
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)19:19
DanaGWhy are you handwriting it?  DOes EDID not work, or something?19:20
DanaGwell, anyway, I have a Go 7600, posted at www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf   --- note that if EDID works properly, you really shouldn't need to manually specify things such as resolutions.19:20
alex-weejanyone else seeing this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/17639219:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 176392 in ubuntu ""Sans Italic" is noticably thinner than "Sans"" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:49
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phoulIf you dont use the source packages21:31
phoulcan you comment them out?21:31
phoulall i ever use are the debs.... i think21:31
bardyrhey, im on a live cd atm trying to do a chroot/upgrade on the local system21:32
bardyrbut i get 96% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor21:32
bardyrwhen i try to update, how can i fix it and sorry for abuse of enter key21:33
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alex_mayorgahello there, what the "punctuation" means on aptitude?23:22
alex_mayorgaI mean aptitude scores, what do they mean?23:34

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