[00:03] <danroj> hola LjL
[00:04] <LjL> saludos danroj
[00:04] <danrojen> LjL, una pregunt
[00:04] <LjL> dime
[00:04] <danrojen> quiero crear un canal llamado
[00:04] <danrojen> ubuntureros pero nalioth la ultima vez me lo serro entonces como tengo un bot
[00:05] <danrojen> este no puede entrar a canales que tengan doble #
[00:05] <LjL> danrojen, los canales llamados "#*ubuntu*" son privados de ubuntu
[00:05] <danrojen> asi que se podria crear un canal llamado digamos ubuntureros*
[00:05] <danrojen> mmm
[00:05] <danrojen> les puedo poner asi verdad?
[00:06] <LjL> les puedo poner asi verdad? <-- no entendí
[00:06] <danroj> le puedo poner asi
[00:06] <danroj> XD
[00:08] <LjL> danroj, mi español es peor de lo que aparece... que puedes poner?
[00:09] <danroj> tranquilo LjL
[00:09] <danroj> gracias
[00:09] <danroj> estoy preguntando en #freenode
[00:09] <danroj> LjL, otra pregunta
[00:10] <danroj> yo puedo redireccionar #ubuntureros a ##ubuntureros?
[00:10] <LjL> no, seria lo mismo que tener #ubuntureros directamente
[00:10] <danroj> mmm
[00:11] <danroj> LjL, en freenode me dicen que puedo hacer
[00:11] <danroj> hacerlo
[00:11] <danroj> pero me toca hablar con un señor
[00:11] <danroj> XD
[00:12] <danroj> LjL, ya lo cree es #ubuntureros*
[00:12] <danroj> asi se puede no?
[00:12] <LjL> eh... no
[00:12] <danroj> lol nalioth me dijo que podia
[00:12] <danroj> ayer
[00:12] <danroj> asi se puede
[00:12] <LjL> nalioth: ?
[00:12] <danroj> si
[00:12] <danroj> ayer
[00:13] <danroj> le dije el me dijo que podia ser asi
[00:13] <danroj> ademas pues es un canal privado de ubuntu
[00:13] <danroj> XD
[00:17] <danroj> LjL, estas?
[00:18] <LjL> sí, solo no me es claro como #ubuntureros* pueda ser un canal acceptable
[00:18] <danroj> LjL, asi puedo meter a mi bot
[00:18] <danroj> XD
[00:36] <Crysis> hola
[00:37] <Crysis> hay un OP aqui de ubuntu-es
[00:37] <Crysis> ???
[00:39] <Crysis> oigan
[00:39] <Crysis> donde esta la gente aqui
[00:39] <Crysis> I have a big problem
[00:39] <Crysis> HELP
[00:41] <LjL> Crysis: fue baneado
[00:41] <Crysis> como???
[00:42] <Crysis> el estaba haciendo de OP
[00:42] <Crysis> realmente era un hacker
[00:42] <Crysis> o nose
[00:46] <LjL> Crysis: op? que dices
[00:48] <Crysis> que
[00:48] <Crysis> el que estaba ahi
[00:48] <Crysis> llego con varios
[00:48] <Crysis> y se hicieron OP
[00:48] <Crysis> creo
[00:49] <LjL> Crysis, yo no veo eso
[00:49] <Crysis> fue antes
[00:49] <LjL> veo que lo banearon
[00:49] <Crysis> de que se fueran
[00:49] <Crysis> cuando dijo que iba a tomar el canal
[00:51] <LjL> Crysis: miraste mal, nunca fue op
[00:51] <Crysis> si entro al canal que dijo
[00:51] <Crysis> me pueden hacer algo??
[02:46] <effie_jayx> LjL,  que tenia Crysis?
[02:49] <LjL> effie_jayx, mind if i speak english? i've had enough spanish for tonight, honestly...
[02:50] <LjL> effie_jayx: a guy, Michoacano, joined #ubuntu claiming that somebody in #ubuntu-es had told him to "sudo rm -rf /"
[02:50] <LjL> effie_jayx: then, he joined #ubuntu-es, and started claiming that someone in *#ubuntu* had told him to "sudo rm -rf /"
[02:50] <LjL> effie_jayx: Crysis replied to him in #ubuntu-es, and then he said in #ubuntu that it was Crysis that did it
[02:51] <effie_jayx> god... ubuntu-es is plaged
[02:51] <LjL> effie_jayx: then he also spammed ##linux a bit, still saying that he was told in #ubuntu to "sudo rm -rf /"
[02:51] <LjL> effie_jayx: Crysis joined #ubuntu-ops about it, to complain that we weren't banning such a troll
[02:51] <LjL> effie_jayx: of course i told him we couldn't (although we managed to, anyway)
[02:51] <effie_jayx> did he contact any of the ops
[02:51] <effie_jayx> in ubuntu-es?
[02:52] <LjL> effie_jayx: then he just wanted to stay in #ubuntu-ops because, as usual, he wanted to speak to the #ubuntu-es ops, who are mistreating him (sigh)
[02:52] <LjL> effie_jayx: you were all asleep
[02:52] <effie_jayx> I was at work
[02:52] <LjL> sure i mean asleep as in away
[02:52] <effie_jayx> did I mention that I am new at the job?
[02:52] <effie_jayx> ;)
[02:55] <LjL> effie_jayx, as an -es op?
[02:55] <effie_jayx> yep
[02:56] <LjL> effie_jayx: yeah, i know. but anyway -es is *really* pretty plagued, as you put it
[02:56] <LjL> i am pondering asking pelicano for access.
[02:56] <effie_jayx> LjL,  the problem may be lack of comunication
[02:57] <LjL> effie_jayx: elaborate
[02:57] <effie_jayx> LjL,  I am not clear as to what is considerate small talk or offtopic in that channel
[02:57] <effie_jayx> but some ops seem very strict following the guidelines
[02:58] <effie_jayx> some others don't even consider the guidelines
[02:58] <LjL> effie_jayx, unfortunately it seems to me that *everything* is considered permissible...
[02:58] <LjL> or at least, people do it anyway.
[02:58] <LjL> effie_jayx, who are the active ops? among the ones i can see in the access list, i think a few are pretty much absent
[02:59] <effie_jayx> I only see jpatrick ... pelicano , and erusul
[03:00] <LjL> effie_jayx: i think jpatrick is pretty much as desperate as you with these trolls
[03:00] <effie_jayx> well
[03:00] <effie_jayx> this is simple
[03:00] <effie_jayx> no mercy
[03:01] <effie_jayx> they have to meet
[03:02] <effie_jayx> I must see about having them talk about who is willing to continue with op duties
[03:14] <effie_jayx> LjL,  What do you suggest?
[03:14] <LjL> effie_jayx: moment, i'm talking to danroj and crysis
[03:17] <LjL> effie_jayx: my suggestion is to arrange with the other operators to make the channel *very* strict, for a while. you will not get out of the current bad situation if you let offtopic chat stay, people pressing Enter every two words, dozens of "jajajaja" lines, etc
[03:17] <LjL> you really need to be strict for a while
[03:19] <effie_jayx> I am emailing them just know
[03:20] <LjL> effie_jayx: then, later, you can revise the strictness. -es is a smaller channel than #ubuntu, it probably doesn't need to be so strict in the long term
[03:20] <LjL> but i think it does in the short term, to get out of this mess
[03:20] <LjL> get the "bad" people out, let the ones who want non-noisy support in
[03:20] <LjL> give the bot factoids like ours
[03:20] <LjL> !enter
[03:20] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[03:20] <LjL> !ot
[03:20] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:20] <LjL> etc
[03:20] <LjL> and use them
[03:21] <effie_jayx> LjL,  it has some
[03:21] <effie_jayx> I am not sure if jpatrick  has gotten around using them
[03:22] <effie_jayx> LjL,  great. I am working on this then
[04:30] <brad23> hey guys, does ubuntu 7.10 support and use dual core cpu's to thier full potental?
[04:48] <nalioth> brad23: change your ident and join #ubuntu please
[04:48] <nalioth> this is not a support channel
[07:23] <danroj> hola alguien ke hable español?
[07:24] <danroj> erUSUL, esta?
[07:25] <danroj> jpatrick,
[07:27] <danroj> nalioth, this?
[07:28] <nalioth> danroj: can we help you?
[07:28] <danroj> yes
[07:29] <danroj> since I can do that botijo pitcher this in my channel ##ubuntu-co-es?
[07:29] <danroj> nalioth,
[07:30] <nalioth> i don't understand, danroj :(
[07:31] <danroj> nalioth, that the robot botijo this in my channel
[07:34] <danroj> nalioth,
[13:21] <effie_jayx> how does one do channel fowarding?
[13:34] <effie_jayx> nalioth,  I got danroj to drop using the ubuntu name for his channel
[13:35] <effie_jayx> as it is very misleading to ubuntu users
[13:36] <effie_jayx> the channel needs to be redirected to the new one. but I don't remember how, and I think its not a good idea to let him know how... someone just do it and that's it
[13:50] <pleia2> effie_jayx: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/MovingChannels
[13:50] <effie_jayx> thanks pleia2
[13:50] <pleia2> welcome
[14:53] <danroj> effie_jayx, hola
[14:53] <danroj> disculpame
[14:53] <danroj> me toco salr a tomarme unas muestras de sangre
[14:53] <danroj> :S
[15:32] <danroj> effie_jayx, esta?
[15:32] <LjL> danroj, me parece claro que no...
[15:33] <danroj> LjL, me puede prestar ayuda?
[15:34] <LjL> danroj, no sé, dime
[15:34] <danroj> quiero redireccionar ##ubuntu-co-es a ##gnu-libre
[15:35] <danroj> nalioth, me ha hecho eso cuando creé canales co un solo #
[15:35] <danroj> desearia saber como es XD
[15:35] <LjL> danroj: /cs set ##ubuntu-co-es mlock +stnmif ##gnu-libre
[15:35] <LjL> danroj: /cs set ##ubuntu-co-es guard on
[16:01] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: ping
[16:07] <jpatrick> hola erUSUL
[16:09] <erUSUL> jpatrick: hola;
[16:09] <erUSUL> jpatrick: es posible que añadas a los ops de ubuntu-es a la lista de nicks que pueden añadir "factos" a botijo?
[16:10] <jpatrick> erUSUL: lo estoy intentando ahora mismo
[16:10] <erUSUL> jpatrick: XD bien; gracias!
[16:10] <LjL> añadir... ayer deci "ajuntar". tube el suspecho que no fuese correcto...
[16:11] <LjL> erUSUL, tu que piensas del estado actual de #ubuntu-es?
[16:11] <erUSUL> LjL: adjuntar lo usamos para los "attachments" del correo son "adjuntos" ;)
[16:11] <LjL> ah
[16:12] <erUSUL> LjL: tubo mejores dias... estoy algo ocupado ahora mismo con examenes (son en febrero aquí)
[16:29] <jpatrick> erUSUL: ping otra vez
[16:29] <jpatrick> arg, effie_jayx ^^
[16:30] <erUSUL> jpatrick: si?
[16:30] <Tm_T> erUSUL: error tabfill, I'd say
[16:30] <jpatrick> erUSUL: no xD era para effie_jayn
[16:31] <erUSUL> Tm_T: ;)
[16:31] <jpatrick> 10:39 ** Crysis [n=ever@190.86.86.86] has joined #ubuntu-es
[16:33] <LjL> jpatrick, erUSUL, effie_jayx: another thing i would suggest is to add #ubuntu-es-offtopic to the #ubuntu-es topic, and actually start using it
[16:33] <jpatrick> @ot
[16:33] <botijo> #ubuntu-irc es un canal de soporte, para hablar de temas no relacionados por favor visitá #ubuntu-es-offtopic. Gracias!
[16:33] <jpatrick> @fuera
[16:33] <botijo> Deberias evitar cambiar tu nick siempre - causa log innecessario que es injusto por nuevos usarios. Lo mismo con mensajes de away; usa "/away razon" para hacerlo en silencio.
[16:34] <LjL> jpatrick: @enter also. the Enter key is *really* abused in -es...
[16:35] <erUSUL> LjL: deformacion por el MSN  me puso uno de excusa ayer XD
[16:35] <jpatrick> @enter
[16:35] <botijo> Por favor trata de mantener tus preguntas/respuestas en una sola línea. No uses "Enter" como puntuación.
[16:36] <LjL> erUSUL: pero eso no es MSN, mira como es listo el scroll en el canal... algunas vecez aparece peor que #ubuntu, y es decir mucho :)
[16:36] <jpatrick> LjL: ack
[16:37] <erUSUL> LjL: lo se; trato de correjirlo cuando realmente está interfiriendo con alguien que *realmente* necesita ayuda...
[16:39] <erUSUL> jpatrick: Secure__ lo corres tu en tu maquina?
[16:39] <LjL> erUSUL, el problema como deci ayer tambien a effie_jayx es que el canal esta en un estado verdademente malo. como se explica que solo tenga unos 70 usuarios (menos que el canal italiano)? imho se esplica porque la gente que quiere ayuda tecnica vee que es mejor encuentrarla en otros lugares. *ahora*, el canal necesita que todos (como los trolls crysis, danroj etc, sino no solamente ellos) comprendan que es un canal de ayuda tecnica.
[16:40] <LjL> pues tienes razon, un canal con menos de 100 usuarios normalmente no necesita de reglas asi rigidas
[16:40] <LjL> pero creo que al momento actual seria mejor
[16:41] <erUSUL> LjL: el problema con #ubuntu-es es que existen los loco channels y que ya desd un principio se organizaron canales como #ubuntu-lat etc que fragmentaron la base de hispanohablantes
[16:41] <erUSUL> LjL: ademas de que existe un #ubuntu en irchispano etc
[16:42] <erUSUL> LjL: los hispanos tienen tendencia a la anrquia...
[16:42] <erUSUL> mucha gente a la que no les gustaban las reglas se montaron sus propios canales...
[16:43] <erUSUL> puedes verlo con danroj... no me gusta pues me voy y monto mi propio canal con 4 amigos? y así periodicamente
[16:43] <jpatrick> erUSUL: no es de chakal-^^
[16:44] <LjL> erUSUL: no se los detalles, pero lo se. mas no es una razon suficiente para tolerar todas manera de charla en #ubuntu-es... ademas, el contrario. si a la gente no gustan las reglas, tienen #ubuntu-es-offtopic, y tambien tienen los varios canales LoCo (que seria mejor que no sean de ayuda tecnica... sino un canal de *ayda tecnica* tiene que tener reglas)
[16:44] <LjL> pues que crees, que la gente de #ubuntu o tambien #ubuntu-offtopic nunca cree sus propios canales?
[16:44] <LjL> les dejamos hacer. normalmente mueren en no mas que una semana.
[16:45] <erUSUL> LjL: estoy de acuerdo con lo que dices. Y es mas soy el primero en mandar a gente a -offtopic. Ultimamente como digo no tengo tanto tiempo
[16:46] <erUSUL> LjL: para dedicar al canal.
[16:51] <jpatrick> erUSUL: hay alguna manera de juntar los dos ubuntu-es'es?
[16:52] <erUSUL> jpatrick: cuales dos? el irchispano?
[16:53] <LjL> cuanto es grande el de irc-hispano?
[16:53] <jpatrick> 12
[16:53] <jpatrick> erUSUL: #ubuntu-es y ubuntu-es.org
[16:53] <jpatrick> brb
[16:53] <erUSUL> jpatrick: te refieres a #cupie  ??
[16:59] <LjL> una pregunta, porque hay dos locobots en -es?
[16:59] <erUSUL> LjL: ni idea
[16:59] <LjL> hm
[16:59] <LjL> !logs
[16:59] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - Logs for LoCo channels are at http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ - See also « /msg ubotu ircstats »
[16:59] <erUSUL> LjL: quien está a cargo de los locobots?
[17:00] <LjL> de toda manera los logs no estan duplicados...
[17:03] <LjL> erUSUL: verdademente no sé
[17:11] <jpatrick> erUSUL: lo de pelicano y ubuntu-es.org
[17:12] <erUSUL> jpatrick: hace un tiempo pelicano dejo la administracion de ubuntu-es a otra gente que estaba descontenta con como lo llevaba si recuerdo bien
[17:14] <jpatrick> erUSUL: si, eso
[17:14] <erUSUL> jpatrick: no entiendo a donde quieres llegar
[18:38] <effie_jayx> @away
[18:38] <botijo> Deberias evitar cambiar tu nick siempre - causa log innecessario que es injusto por nuevos usarios. Lo mismo con mensajes de away; usa "/away razon" para hacerlo en silencio.
[21:20] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: ping
[21:20] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  pong
[21:21] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: esto de mas estricto me va prefecto
[21:21] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  LjL  suggested it
[21:21] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: tuxpenguin is muted
[21:21] <jpatrick> LjL: brilliant, thanks!
[21:22] <jpatrick> ...for now
[21:24] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: plus /whois tuxpenguin
[21:26] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  he's gone?
[21:26] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: tuxpinguino
[21:27] <effie_jayx> not there either
[21:27] <jpatrick> the guy who WAS SHOUTING
[21:28] <effie_jayx> I saw
[21:28] <effie_jayx> but did he say anything?
[21:29] <jpatrick> no, but he's from ##linux-cool
[21:29] <effie_jayx> ahhh
[21:58] <jpatrick> @pregunta es <alias>preguntar
[21:58] <botijo> Pero pregunta ya quiere decir otra cosa!
[21:58] <jpatrick> @preguntar es <alias>pregunta
[21:58] <botijo> Recurdare eso, jpatrick
[22:07] <no0tic> @pregunta
[22:07] <botijo> No pidas permiso para preguntar, preguntá directamente :)
[22:07] <no0tic> :)
[22:08] <no0tic> jpatrick, is there a list of botijo factoids?
[22:08] <jpatrick> @bot > no0tic
[22:09] <jpatrick> no0tic: no, it's 1) on a crappy server 2) keeps changing IP
[22:09] <no0tic> gracias :)
[22:10] <jpatrick> de nada
[22:33] <jpatrick> meisok: yo
[22:33] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: meisok es uno de los de ubuntu-es.org (creo que ya lo sabes)
[22:33] <effie_jayx> si
[22:34] <effie_jayx> meisok y yo hemos trabajado juntos en doc.spa
[22:34] <jpatrick> :D
[22:34] <meisok> jeje si :D
[22:34] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  birds of a feather... ?
[22:34] <effie_jayx> :D
[22:34] <meisok> jpatrick, effie_jayx  y yo ya nos conocemos y colaboramos desde hace tiempo ;)
[22:34] <meisok> @hi
[22:34] <botijo> Hola! Bienvenido a #ubuntu-irc !
[22:35] <jpatrick> meisok: pues, ya esta ;)
[22:35] <meisok> :)
[22:36] <meisok> anda, esta ubotu!
[22:36] <jpatrick> ubotu > el mundo
[22:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about el mundo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[22:36] <meisok> no es el bot de ubuntu-bugs?
[22:36] <meisok> ubotu, hi
[22:36] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-irc!
[22:36] <meisok> xD
[22:37] <jpatrick> meisok: es el cual botijo se basa
[22:37] <meisok> los liamos en una charla sin fin?
[22:37] <meisok> :D
[22:38] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: usas irssi?
[22:38] <effie_jayx> no
[22:38] <effie_jayx> estoy en xchat ya
[22:38] <jpatrick> a vale
[22:38] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  por que?
[22:39] <jpatrick> effie_jayx: tengo un script buenissmo para hacer fuera a la gente
[22:39] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  yo tengo uno...
[22:39] <no0tic> jpatrick, auto_bleh?
[22:39] <jpatrick> no0tic: yeah!! :D
[22:39] <no0tic> effie_jayx, chanserv.py es perfecto para xchat
[22:39] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  pero seria bueno que le digas a la gente por que
[22:39] <effie_jayx> no0tic, yo lo tengo... Me lo dio Seveas mismo
[22:40] <effie_jayx> :D
[22:40] <no0tic> jpatrick, yo lo é modificado un poco
[22:40] <meisok> no0tic, hablas castellano!!
[22:40] <jpatrick> meisok: si esta en #u-es
[22:40] <meisok> es un canal hispano este?
[22:40] <no0tic> meisok, entento
[22:40] <meisok> ;)
[22:40] <no0tic> meisok, no, es internacional
[22:40] <meisok> oks
[22:41] <no0tic> jpatrick, ahora mi auto_bleh puede banar redirigendo à otro canal
[22:41] <jpatrick> meisok: por cierto botijo ya no tiene limite de canales
[22:41] <meisok> y eso?
[22:41] <jpatrick> no0tic: cool
[22:41] <jpatrick> meisok: pregunte a los de freenode
[22:41] <meisok> ya vi que esta en muchos..
[22:42] <no0tic> jpatrick, if you want I can send it to you, if you read perl :)
[22:42] <jpatrick> no0tic: bits of it (python&ruby programer)
[22:42] <meisok> JanC,  23 para ser exactos :)
[22:42] <meisok> ups..sorry
[22:43] <jpatrick> meisok: te falta uno mas?
[22:44] <jpatrick> no0tic: ops, I don't know how to DCC in irssi
[22:44] <no0tic> jpatrick, :)
[22:45] <nalioth> DCC in irssi?
[22:45] <no0tic> /dcc get <nick>
[22:45] <nalioth> why ?
[22:45] <nalioth> ooooh.
[22:45] <no0tic> nalioth, to send and get files
[22:45] <jpatrick> no0tic: got it
[22:45] <nalioth> no0tic: i know what it's for.  i dont' like it at all
[22:48] <no0tic> nalioth, sometimes it's easier to use dcc than else
[22:48] <jpatrick> no0tic: so, what can this do?
[22:49] <nalioth> jpatrick: the DCC RFC offers many things you can do with it
[22:49] <jpatrick> nalioth: I was talking about the script
[22:49] <no0tic> jpatrick, I added /afr and /afrn that banforward and remove nick (without and with notice)
[22:50] <nalioth> no0tic: you are working on auto_bleh?
[22:50] <no0tic> nalioth, yes, I added those two commands so far
[22:50] <jpatrick> no0tic: ardchoille wanted something exactly like this some time ago
[22:51] <no0tic> jpatrick, syntax is /afr nick #channel <reason>
[22:52] <no0tic> jpatrick, uhm, other minor changes involve quieting nicks instead of hostmasks
[22:52] <jpatrick> no0tic: what's the /*n for
[22:53] <no0tic> jpatrick, it allow sending a private notice to the removed nick
[22:53] <no0tic> jpatrick, it will send <reason> via notice
[22:53] <jpatrick> no0tic: great, thanks, tell ardchoille in -ops too, he'll love it :)
[22:54] <nalioth> tell ardchoille, hell, tell all of us
[22:55] <jpatrick> :)
[22:55] <no0tic> ok then. you can find it on no0tic.homelinux.org/~no0tic/
[22:57] <jpatrick> can't wait to try this out
[22:59] <jpatrick> no0tic: one thing, multiple bans with "+" in between nicks no?
[22:59] <no0tic> sorry, the version on that site is a little outdated, I'll copy the latest one now
[23:03] <no0tic> ok, now there's the latest version on the site, jpatrick you already have it
[23:03] <jpatrick> no0tic: ok
[23:04]  * jpatrick off to bed
[23:04] <no0tic> jpatrick,  multiple banforward coming soon :)
[23:44] <effie_jayx> jpatrick,  I'll hold the fort