[20:41] <selckin> ant in hardy depends on java-virtual-machine is that correct? why don't the sun-java* provide it? trying to keep gcj out
[20:51] <man-di> the java-virtual-machine depends is totally wrong
[20:52] <man-di> it should not be there at all
[20:57] <selckin> seem to be a few semi-related bugs open
[21:06] <man-di> selckin: why dont you write patches for them and send them to debian for inclusion?
[21:06] <man-di> the ubuntu java packages are normally just syncs from Debian
[21:47] <selckin> any debian channel for questions? #d-java is empty
[21:48] <man-di> #debian-java
[21:48] <man-di> but all Debian channels are on OFTC (or irc.debian.net)
[21:48] <selckin> ah right
[21:48] <man-di> not FreeNode