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* stdin gives up and heads to bed01:10
nixternalKDE 4 stalls at 2.6MB downloaded during downloading...now that is annoying...02:05
nixternalapachelogger_: fix that ^^ :p02:05
* nixternal goes and watches a movie02:05
apachelogger_lol02:07
apachelogger_nixternal: that bug appears totally random and is around for ever02:07
apachelogger_hm02:07
apachelogger_cool02:07
apachelogger_I broke kdm again02:07
apachelogger_woohoo02:09
apachelogger_that ain't logical02:09
apachelogger_stuff breaks without touching it02:09
apachelogger_lovely02:09
* apachelogger_ goes to bad02:09
apachelogger_ah02:09
apachelogger_first some karma for kdm02:10
apachelogger_nini02:10
Nightrosenini apachelogger_02:10
Nightrose:)02:10
* claydoh uploaded his first package to his ppa02:31
* claydoh crosses fingers....02:31
rawHi, where's the custom session in kdm gone?03:13
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mornfallGhaa!09:38
mornfallHi, anyone willing to do a little testing for me? : - ).10:01
emonkey-v10:06
mornfallI am preparing packages for adept 3.0~alpha1. But there are some issues...10:07
mornfallFirst, I am on debian sid, so they may need to be rebuilt for (k)ubuntu.10:07
mornfallSecond, they are not built yet, so give me a few minutes.10:08
Luremornfall: you can upload them to ppa10:15
mornfallNo idea  what ppa is.10:15
emonkeymornfall, Unfortunately I've to go in a few minutes ...10:15
mornfallAnd then, I have no way to build on (k)ubuntu myself.10:16
mornfallMaybe if someone is willing to rebuild it and upload there, that would be good.10:16
LureYour personal package archive: if you have LP account, you have PPA too and can easily build for any version of ubuntu10:16
emonkeyPPA is something like the suse build service10:17
Luremornfall: I can also upload to my ppa if you want10:17
mornfallInteresting.10:17
mornfallGive me a minute.10:17
Lurewill be back in cca 1 hour or so (need to get to playground with may daughter)10:17
Luremornfall: it is really easy to enable and use: https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart10:18
mornfallLet me see.10:20
mornfallhttp://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/adept-3-deb/10:38
mornfallGoing to try the PPA thingy.10:38
mornfallAnyone, what suite should these go to? I have kdelibs5-dev in builddepends.10:56
Luremornfall: did you manage to do it with ppa?11:44
mornfallLure: Not yet, I just tried to upload again.11:44
mornfallThe first got rejected because they have unstable in changelog.11:44
Luremornfall: yep, just put hardy11:44
mornfallPPA uploads must be signed by an 'ubuntero'.11:48
mornfall(Rejected therefore.)11:48
Luremornfall: yep, you need to sign Ubuntu Code of Conduct11:48
mornfallErgh.11:48
Luremornfall: will try to upload to my ppa11:48
Luremornfall: so libept and adept3.0?11:49
mornfallLure: All that's in that url -- they build-depend in a chain.11:49
mornfallLure: Also, if apt-xapian-index (from Debian) is not in ubuntu, it is required for runtime.11:50
* Sime has managed to apply the "show apps from current desktop only in the taskbar" feature from KDE's SVN to 4.0.0, and it works.11:55
Luremornfall: apt-xapian-index is version 0.4 in hardy, so probably ok11:56
mornfallGreat.11:56
LureSime: please send patch to apachelogger__... (would like to have this even if break i18n freeze)11:56
mornfallThe package also now got ACCEPTed.11:56
SimeLure: what is his address?11:57
LureSime: apachelogger@u.c11:57
LureSime: he does most of kde4 package uploads currently11:58
mornfallLure: How long does it ~ take for the build to start?11:58
jpatrickmornfall: less than an hour11:58
mornfallHm, hour.12:01
Luremornfall: https://launchpad.net/+builds - seems buildd for ppa are not under load, so it should be sooner (just to be picked up by cron scripts)12:03
mornfallWell, they still need to go through 3 rounds.12:03
mornfallIf they work at all.12:04
mornfallAnyhow, if someone is willing to test locally, grab from http://anna.fi.muni.cz/~xrockai/adept-3-deb/. Off to chop wood.12:04
mornfallLaters.12:04
Luremornfall: btw, all three accepted to my ppa too, so will see who will be faster (if mine build at all as I am beyond space limit) ;-)12:04
mornfallHm, nothing new. And no more wood.12:40
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danimodoes nspluginviewer embedding work for anyone in KDE 4?13:25
mornfallLure: Can you try installing adept from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/me-mornfall/ubuntu hardy main ? Or anyone...13:29
mornfallI am off for a walk now, but would be great if someone tried them out : - ). See the notes at https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive as well.13:30
mornfallLaters13:30
smarterdanimo: doesn't work for me13:31
nixternaldanimo: doesn't work for me, it pops up little windows for nspluginviewer13:42
jpatrickdanimo: it works sometimes for me13:45
smartersame as nixternal13:45
smarteri use r48 I think13:45
=== jpatrick changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | Next meeting: 23th January 23:00 | KDE 4.0! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
apachelogger__Sime: is the implimentation complete yet?14:27
apachelogger__last I checked it was only at a very basic state14:27
Simeapachelogger__: how complete does it need to be? I works here, although a little bit slow.14:32
apachelogger__bah, I just broke amarok's toolbar graphic -.-14:38
Simeapachelogger__:  I can later test how fast it works on KDE svn trunk. Maybe I missed a patch.14:39
apachelogger__seems to be fairly useable... http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=762830 fixes all the issues I had14:41
apachelogger__Sime: well, it ain't worth anything if it slows everything down even more14:41
apachelogger__plasma is really slow enough alrady IMO :P14:41
Simeapachelogger__:  the taskbar is slow to update when changing desktops. (~1 sec). The rest is the same.14:42
apachelogger__1 sec? Oo14:42
apachelogger__omg14:42
apachelogger__Sime: maybe it depends on some of the speed improvements done earlier14:42
* apachelogger__ just wonders... when aaron finds out... ohhhh, I don't wanna clean up afterwards ;-)14:43
apachelogger__Sime: I'm a bit worried about the patch size14:45
apachelogger__you see, we have to maintain the patch until 4.1 gets out... which is quite some time14:45
apachelogger__maybe we can cut it down a bit14:45
Simeapachelogger__: merge them down into one and try again. I think there is a bit of redudancy.14:48
apachelogger__woohoo :D14:50
Simeis that a good woohoo?14:51
apachelogger__Sime: that is a sarcastic woohoo ;-)14:51
apachelogger__you know, I'm pretty much all reversed, like I say cool when something sux, or that I first implement code, then wrap it in a function, then make that function an private object and then wrap that in a class ;-)14:52
apachelogger__lol14:57
apachelogger__I was running my svn session all the time14:57
apachelogger__that explains a lot :D14:57
* apachelogger__ kicks kdm again14:57
apachelogger__!info kde4 hardy14:59
ubotukde4 (source: meta-kde4): the K Desktop Environment version 4 official modules. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.2 (hardy), package size 2 kB, installed size 36 kB14:59
Luremornfall: libept did not build http://launchpadlibrarian.net/11450355/buildlog_ubuntu-hardy-i386.libept_0.5.13.ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz14:59
apachelogger__stdin_: where should we place bug 184544 ? it's not really a kdebase bug, since apt is 3rd party15:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 184544 in kdebase-kde4 "apt kio-slave missing in konqueror-kde4" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18454415:00
LureHobbsee: do you understand what is wrong with kdepim upload?15:01
HobbseeLure: yeah15:02
Hobbseei'm fixing it15:02
smarterI put some ideas for k-d-s-kde4 and k-d-kde4 in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo15:02
LureHobbsee: -sd instead od -sa?15:02
Hobbseeyeah15:02
LureHobbsee: I know the feeling ;-)15:03
Jucatoapachelogger__: change the package affected to kio-apt?15:03
Luresmarter: great, please add this to topic for next meeting (to review it)15:03
smarterLure: ok15:03
apachelogger__Lure: that meeting is gonna take 5 hours15:11
apachelogger__smarter: I don't get 'kickoff kubuntu branding here instead of patching kdebase-workspace'15:11
Lureapachelogger__: does not need to if somebody proposes action items15:11
Lureapachelogger__: would be nice if patch would not include kubuntu stuff, but read it from config file15:12
smarterLure said it for me ;)15:13
Lureapachelogger__: should patch might be accepted upstream for 4.0.x15:13
Jucato"Put kickoff kubuntu branding in k-d-s instead of patching kdebase-workspace"15:14
Lures/should/such/15:14
apachelogger__Lure: it's a suse patch, so they might have to get it upstream15:14
Jucatosmarter: "logo at the top right of konqueror" the animated one?15:15
smarterJucato: yes15:15
Jucatoah the throbber15:15
Lureapachelogger__: probably, it was agreed to some extend also on release-party: http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-release-team&m=120078652611862&w=215:15
smarterlike in konqueror315:15
Jucatoyeah, it's called a throbber... for a second there you had me thinking of another icon :)15:16
* ryanakca weeps at not receiving any mockups15:31
* ryanakca considers spamming the planet again15:31
emonkey-tryanakca, still no answer?15:32
ryanakcaemonkey-t: none :S15:32
emonkey-t:/15:32
ryanakcahttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups15:32
ryanakcaThere's only the default template15:33
ryanakcaOh well, I'm betting on UWN to give it some publicity15:33
emonkey-tjep15:33
smarterwhy is there no announce on kubuntu.org ?15:37
smarter(for the contest)15:37
ryanakcasmarter: because nobody has gotten around to it / webmaster doesn't think it ought to go on it?15:40
* ryanakca shrugs15:40
smarterIMHO, people browsing on kubuntu.org are the most interested in a new website15:44
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mornfallLure: It seems to have passed in mine.15:55
Luremornfall: not really, failed log was from your ppa15:57
mornfallAh. Hm.15:57
mornfallSorry : - ).15:57
mornfallI just seen 3 binary, ok and walked away...15:57
Luremornfall: https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive/+builds?build_text=&build_state=all15:57
mornfallLure: Ah, right, failed tests (and I also know why). Hmh.15:58
Simefunny, the media popup from KDE 3 appears in KDE 4 sessions if you are running a KDE 3 application. Logical but annoying.16:20
apachelogger_oh I hate it when I lose the connection17:47
Tm_Toh I don't run my irc client in home17:49
Tm_T;)17:49
jpatrickapachelogger_: get a server and screen irssi from there17:53
* Jucato was just pointed to the joys of irc bouncers... :)17:54
Jucatoof course I still have to run the bouncer @ home... I don't think servers allow them17:54
apachelogger_irssi sux17:56
apachelogger_quassel ftw!17:56
apachelogger_anyway, I have no server, so :P17:56
smarterapachelogger_: quassel has been released?17:57
apachelogger_nope17:57
apachelogger_but I actually have a snapshot pocket :P17:57
Jucatohahah17:57
apachelogger_<-- probably has more packages for yet-unreleased software, than for released one17:58
nixternalbooyahkah17:58
nixternalKDE 4 Gutsy LiveCD has no sound17:58
apachelogger_woohoo17:59
apachelogger_omg17:59
apachelogger_!17:59
apachelogger_so amarok is useless17:59
apachelogger_that ain't nice -.-17:59
Lureapachelogger_: btw, any progress on kdm-kde4 front?18:00
apachelogger_Lure: nope, it breaks on build for me, even though I don't touch the bit where it breaks18:01
apachelogger_I'm thinking on redoing the patches from scratch18:01
Lureapachelogger_: I am now on hardy packages, so might have time to look into it tonight18:02
apachelogger_we should do this for the default configs at least18:02
apachelogger_Lure: well, it works so far18:02
apachelogger_it just look like shit18:02
apachelogger_and has some weird bugs18:02
apachelogger_like it messes with encoding for some reason18:02
Lureapachelogger_: encoding? like i18n?18:02
apachelogger_yes18:03
apachelogger_like umlauts and accents are b0rked in translations18:03
apachelogger_I think even in dolphin18:03
Lureapachelogger_: ok, will try slovenian version of kde4 then18:04
apachelogger_k18:04
blizzzekre18:12
lucky_lucasHi, is there any chance to have a very preview of the simon speech to text in kubuntu ? It's written in qt418:50
lucky_lucaswww-simon-lstens.org18:52
lucky_lucaswww.simon-listens.org18:52
Lureapachelogger_: is kde4 translated for you at all? my slovenian install only has .desktop file translations, the rest is in english19:01
smarterfrench translation works fine19:02
Luresmarter: interesting. you using just hardy packages?19:04
Luresmarter: do you have kubuntu/kde3 also installed?19:04
smarterLure: nop, I'm on gutsy with ppa packages19:04
smarterLure: yes19:04
Luresmarter: ok, I have installed hardy-server + kde4 meta package19:05
Lureit might be that something is missing (depends)19:05
Luresmarter: what does "env19:06
Lure"env | grep LANG" return19:06
Luresmarter: if you run in Konsole19:06
smarterLANGUAGE=fr_FR:fr:en_GB:en LANG=fr_FR.UTF-819:06
Lureok, that is the problem19:07
Luremy LANGUAGE is empty19:07
smarterLANGUAGE is set in /etc/environment here19:08
Luresmarter: yep, you have probably set it with kde3 or during install19:10
smarterit was during install I think19:11
Luresmarter: my system was installed in english (server install)19:11
Lureapachelogger_: btw, kdm takes ages to start here (like 3-5 minutes after boot, for the time I only see text console)19:14
jpatrickhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-users/2008-January/025086.html19:16
* Lure purges and installs again19:16
jpatrickwth?^^^^^19:17
Lurejpatrick: talking about new kde4 package? ;-)19:17
jpatrickLure: in a passive sort of way19:19
Lureapachelogger_: ok, that cured it - now it starts much faster19:19
Lurestdin: around?19:22
stdinLure: for a little while19:23
apachelogger_cool :P19:23
Lurestdin, apachelogger_: where do we want kdm-kde4 config: in /etc/kde4 or in /usr/lib/kde4/etc/kde4 ?19:24
Lurethere is currently mismatch between config files and /etc/init.d/kdm-kde4 script19:25
apachelogger_Lure: I've fixed it already19:25
apachelogger_goes in usr/lib as everything19:25
Lureapachelogger_: ok, good19:25
* Lure fixes it locally19:26
apachelogger_Lure: you better work somewhere else for now ;-)19:26
apachelogger_I fixed a lot crap in that regard19:26
apachelogger_I just need to get it compile properly so I can upload19:26
Lureapachelogger_: did you also change DAEMON= to point to actual binary in /usr/lib/kde4/...?19:26
apachelogger_yep19:27
Lureapachelogger_: ok, great19:27
jpatrickapachelogger_: "dragonplayer has moved to kdemultimedia"21:00
apachelogger_I no21:00
jpatrick:p21:00
apachelogger_jpatrick: dude, I'm working with it's dev everyday :P21:01
jpatrickapachelogger_: and I'm working with you everyday :p21:01
apachelogger_work is overrated anyway21:01
jpatrickhi mhb21:02
mhbgood evening21:02
ryanakcamhb: no mockups :(21:05
* ryanakca looks for something to do and notices the ToDo link in the topic21:05
jpatrickyay21:08
jpatrickryanakca: I'll poke my contacts in kubuntu-es, see if they can come up with anything21:08
ryanakcajpatrick: thanks :D21:08
* ryanakca wonders if he should make the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 metapackage21:09
jpatrickryanakca: don't mention it21:09
ryanakcajpatrick: oh, btw, remember that promo material I translated a few months ago?21:09
ryanakcaWell... my teacher finally gave it back corrected on Thursday :)21:10
jpatrickryanakca: oh, yeah, I found a French version from ages ago laying around on the wiki from the old Kubuntu Marketing pages21:10
ryanakcalol21:11
jpatrickbut you might want to push your updated one to the (hardly-used) branch21:12
ryanakcahmm... since I've volunteered myself for making the kubuntu-desktop-kde4 , should it be provided by kubuntu-meta, or a seperate source package, since one goes to main and the other to universe?21:12
ryanakcakk21:12
jpatrickryanakca: you might want to poke apachelogger_ or smarter about k-d-kde421:13
* ryanakca waits for their input21:17
apachelogger_I dunno21:19
Lureryanakca: I would suspect kde4 will go to main too and Riddell mentioned that we cannot change seeds for some reasons yet21:19
apachelogger_probably we should create kubuntu-meta-kde421:19
ryanakcaLure: seeds?21:19
Lureryanakca: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement21:21
Lureryanakca: meta package is just start of the mess needed21:21
ryanakcaLure: ah, kk, thanks21:22
ryanakcahmm... for some reason firefox and KDE4 don't seem to want to play nice with each other...21:22
hadsWorks here21:23
Lureryanakca: yep, firefox looks ugly under kde4 (gtkqt does not work or something)21:23
jpatrickLure: Firefox is emulated GTK, no?21:24
Lurejpatrick: probably, not sure really21:24
jpatrickthat's what I heard once21:25
ryanakcaLure: that, and when you type in a text field on a page, or scroll, the pager and/or the the taskbar flickers21:26
Lureryanakca: I do not see that problem here - are you using desktop effects?21:27
Lureryanakca: I also recall one bug with firefox and nvidia21:27
* ryanakca grumbles at everything else on the Todo being taken and debates between getting back to learning C++ or doing bugs21:27
ryanakcayep, desktop effects, and yep, nvidia :)21:27
ryanakca... but firefox doesn't flicker, just it's little bubble on the taskbar and/or the desktop pager, depending on how the planets are aligned and the amount of black spots on the sun...21:28
Lureryanakca: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15483021:28
ubotuKDE bug 154830 in general "Plasmoids aren't correctly drawn when firefox is opened and you type something" [Normal,Resolved: invalid]21:28
ryanakcahmm... mine doesn't go like that... it just goes fully transparent... wait...21:30
* ryanakca wonders if it has anything to do with the transparency effect21:30
ryanakca(transparent until I mouse over / click on it)21:30
* ryanakca updates nvidia21:32
iRonryanakca: I want to ask about kubuntu site.. do you planning to redesign it's structure too? e.g. 'FAQ' section must be in Documentation.. Remove duplicate 'Wiki' links.. and so on..21:32
ryanakcaiRon: yes21:32
iRonryanakca: I'm asking, because I've some experience in usability design..21:32
ryanakcaiRon: full redesign... we're migrating to drupal.21:32
ryanakcaiRon: oooh :)21:33
iRonryanakca: also i know a good web designer.. will ask him for the help..21:33
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jjessedang its cold outside21:50
todobgcan some1 fix this bug with libkdeprint.so.5 ?22:39
ryanakcatodobg: what bug?22:41
ryanakcadid you file it?22:41
todobghttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4base/+bug/16479122:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 164791 in kde4base "libkdeprint.so.5: No such file or directory" [Undecided,New]22:41
ryanakcaheh, interesting... I might look into it... but no promises...22:42
todobghuh22:42
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