[00:08] <RAOF> alex_mayorga: They're an indication of how good aptitude thinks the solution it has presented is.
[00:13] <motoplux> anybody has problem with totem and subtitles .srt? It's not able to display subs
[00:13] <motoplux> neither vlc
[00:13] <motoplux> :(
[00:15] <bardyr> how can it be that the packages in a the current live build are 10 days old?
[00:33] <askand> What version of tracker, if it is still included by default, is in Hardy?
[00:35] <RAOF> !info tracker hardy
[00:35] <ubotu> tracker (source: tracker): metadata database, indexer and search tool. In component main, is optional. Version 0.6.4-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 264 kB, installed size 1776 kB
[00:35] <RAOF> Tada!
[00:37] <askand> RAOF: cool thanks :)
[00:45] <bardyr> how can i fix a nvidia kernel api mismatch?
[00:45] <RAOF> bardyr: By not manually installing the nvidia.com drivers.
[00:46] <bardyr> RAOF, i didnt, nvidia-glx-new are giving me those erros
[00:46] <RAOF> Oh, really?  Ok.
[00:46] <RAOF> Hm...
[00:46] <bardyr> yea i have not touch the nvidia.com drivers
[00:46] <RAOF> Got anything strange in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules?
[00:47] <bardyr> lemme se
[00:47] <RAOF> Sorry, there should be a -common at the end of that.
[00:48] <bardyr> DISABLED_MODULES=""
[00:49]  * crdlb stabs lrm
[00:52] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:53] <RAOF> bardyr: Oh.  Do you have a /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia_new_installed file?
[00:55] <bardyr> yes
[00:56] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:56] <RAOF> Um...
[01:03] <pwnguin> arg. intuit still doesn't support linux
[01:15] <tumbleweed__> pwnguin : what else is new? :/
[01:15] <pwnguin> maybe a special envoy should show up and request testing
[01:16] <pwnguin> pehaps canonical offers a free support contract for use in testing in exchange for them letting ubuntu pass the ubuntu user agent check
[01:22] <pwnguin> im pretty sure i pulled it off last year, as i have the pdf
[01:34] <alex_mayorga> RAOF, on the aptitude score, bigger numbers are better or worse?
[01:47] <alex_mayorga> How can I isolate kubunut packages from ubuntu ones if I've installed both ubuntu and kubuntu desktops? Is there a way to "clean" the icons that "spilled" when I installed kubuntu-desktop from my GNOME session??
[01:48] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: You can install debfoster, run it, and then remove all packages that don't seem to belong to regular ubuntu.
[01:48] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: That will remove all dependencies as well, and won't ask for most ubuntu packages.
[01:50] <alex_mayorga> Tomcat_, thanks on the advice, seems like I'm not getting my idea through
[01:51] <alex_mayorga> problem at hand is I wanted to see the KDE side of things so I went and installed kubunutu-desktop, but now my GNOME menus are "polluted" with KDE stuff and viceversa
[01:52] <Tomcat_> alex_mayorga: And it should be enough to just remove those KDE packages I think.
[01:52] <alex_mayorga> bassically I'd like a way to have only KDE stuff (icons) to show if I chose KDE for my session and the other way around
[01:52] <Tomcat_> Ah, alright.
[01:52] <Tomcat_> Well, can't help with that.
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> just that I don't wanted removed, just not to show, this is a blueprint maybe
[01:53] <alex_mayorga> but maybe someone more experienced might know a way
[01:54] <tumbleweed__> hmmmmm
[01:54] <tumbleweed__> how can I tell what optimizations (sse3, etc) my cpu supports?
[01:56] <alex_mayorga> Tomcat_, WDYT?
[02:02] <alex_mayorga> howabout having a menu-separation package or something like that :)
[02:03] <wastrel> hi i upgraded to hardy
[02:05] <tumbleweed__> wastrel : do you need help with anything?
[02:07] <wastrel> not as such
[02:07] <tumbleweed__> then you're one of the lucky few, congratulations!
[02:08] <wastrel> maybe as i settle in more, just came up from reboot
[02:12] <alex_mayorga> any other dual session (GNOME&KDE) users that feel the same?
[02:21] <tumbleweed__> alex_mayorga : yes
[02:21] <tumbleweed__> I have the same problem with gnome and xfce
[02:24] <wastrel> i found a problem :]
[02:29] <mohkohn> Is the hardy virtualbox-ose package working with the 2.6.24 kernel?
[02:33] <wastrel> yeah the edges of my screen are unresponsive to mouse clicks.  - I think X thinks it's not part of the screen
[02:40] <tumbleweed__> mohkohn : nope, you have to use the package from debian sid
[02:41] <mohkohn> thanks tumbleweed__
[02:55] <wastrel> it was the desktop wall compiz plugin
[02:56] <oreth> are there any known issues with cd/dvd burning?
[02:57] <tumbleweed__> no prob, mohkohn
[03:18] <bazhang> does the alpha three not have restricted drivers for the intel ipw3945 wireless card? alpha2 had them but alpha three seems not to find my wireless card--no sign of restricted drivers manager either
[03:21] <wastrel> i'm on 3945 and it works
[03:22] <wastrel> hrm says "enabled" and "not in use" however...  also i upgraded from gusty so that may be different
[03:22] <wastrel> (in the restricted drivers mgr it says "not in use")
[03:22] <wastrel> but lsmod has it loaded :]
[03:29] <bazhang> right; this is the live iso--not an upgrade. like to do my installs fresh :} thanks!
[06:11] <Cavallo> hi
[06:12] <Cavallo> why my fonts are so unreadable: http://shrani.si/f/2c/fc/4e7wF2Ak/snapshot1.png ? It's very har to read something like that :/ Any suggestions ?
[06:16] <DarkMageZ> Cavallo, what size is your screen?
[06:16] <DanaG> Actually, that looks like gnome-settings-daemon isn't running.
[06:16] <Cavallo> 1280-1024
[06:17] <DarkMageZ> Cavallo, 17" 19" 21" 30" ?
[06:17] <Cavallo> ups, sorry, 19
[06:17] <DanaG> google for 'javascript dpi calculator' and make sure the Gnome setting is right.
[06:17] <Cavallo> gnome ?
[06:17] <DanaG> n/m.
[06:18] <DarkMageZ> 19" should be ok on that res then. but yeah. gnome-settings-daemon is what you need
[06:18] <DanaG> (what do you mean by, "gnome?")
[06:18] <Cavallo> hummm mybe Im on the wrong channel :P Because some peoples said to me that for hardy I must ask here but Im using kubuntu hardy ...
[06:18] <DanaG> Aah.
[06:18] <DanaG> You're using kde.  Perhaps you need the gtk-qt-engine installed.
[06:19] <DanaG> Or if using kde4, then GTK apps are simply ugly.  I didn't use KDE4 long enough to bother trying to fix that.
[06:19] <DanaG> (I didn't like KDE4, because it made my 17" 1440x900 laptop feel like a 12" 1280x800 (or smaller) laptop.
[06:20] <Cavallo> Id have the same problems in kde4 and kde3.5
[06:23] <Cavallo> I remember that onece I have restarted the comp. the fonts were ok but next time again were crappy and so are now :/ Dunno what to do. If I turn on antialiasing then its better but then are fonts looking much bigger and they are looks like they were bolded :/ Sorry for my English :)
[06:23] <DarkMageZ> yeah, the applications you are complaining about are gtk/gnome applications. you need to start gnome-settings-daemon
[06:24] <Cavallo> but the fonts are the same in all kde apps, here in konversation, kopete, kontact etc.
[06:26] <DanaG> Wait, there's a "gtk apps" thingy for kcontrol.
[07:32] <DanaG> WTF?  This bug is "not a regression"?
[07:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713
[07:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid]
[07:40] <kripken> Sure sounds like a regression to me
[08:02] <ryanpg> hi, was just told fglrx + aiglx won't currently work with hardy, any workarounds?
[08:02] <ryanpg> hi crdlb :)
[08:02] <crdlb> hai
[08:10] <ryanpg> crdlb, do you know where lack of aiglx support for xserver 1.4 is documented? I can't find anything on the website
[08:11] <ryanpg> everything suggest 1.4 is simply supported - except that it doesn't work of course
[08:11] <ryanpg> :)
[08:20] <crdlb> ryanpg: well here's someone suffering from the same issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=664202&highlight=fglrx+hardy+AIGLX
[08:20] <crdlb> very few people are using 1.4 yet so it's not a very well-known problem
[08:21] <crdlb> but if ATI doesn't fix it *really* soon, it's about to enter the spotlight ;)
[08:21] <ryanpg> huh
[08:21] <ryanpg> well, I guess we'll see what unfolds
[08:22] <crdlb> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22/+bug/173663
[08:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 173663 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "compiz will not launch with fglrx driver - falls back to metacity" [Undecided,New]
[08:23] <crdlb> that's a bug kindasorta directed at it
[08:23] <crdlb> but half the comments are unrelated problems
[08:25] <ryanpg> hmm
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> crdlb, is that your bug?
[08:25] <ryanpg> well, back to radeonhd for me then
[08:25] <crdlb> "my bug" ?
[08:25] <ryanpg> hope it gets sorted out soonish - I'm tired of non-accelerated X
[08:25] <crdlb> ryanpg: you could always use Xgl :)
[08:25] <DarkMageZ> crdlb, fglrx cannot use aiglx with xorg core 1.4
[08:26] <DarkMageZ> which is why that is failing ?
[08:26] <ryanpg> crdlb, seems hackish to me, I'd rather wait things out
[08:26] <ryanpg> but thanks for the assistance
[08:26] <crdlb> DarkMageZ: that's what I'm talking about, yes
[08:26] <ryanpg> I'm off to bed
[08:28] <DarkMageZ> i'm gonna comment on the bug to put their minds at rest
[08:31] <DanaG> Argh, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/177713
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid]
[08:32] <DanaG> completely fair scheduler, my ________.
[08:32] <DanaG> I don't call it fair for the kernel to give half my CPU time to a process that asks specifically for "only spare CPU cycles".
[08:32] <DarkMageZ> that bug shouldn't be invalid either... someone needs to take responsibility for it.
[08:33] <DanaG> Well, now that I made a new user for folding (never had to do that before.......), and set it to a really low share, the impact on compiz-fusion is less severe, but still present.
[08:34] <DanaG> Without folding@home running, I get a nice vsynced 60 FPS.  With folding running, I'm now getting about 45 FPS.
[08:40] <DanaG> c r i m s u n: do you have any insight on this issue?  (I'm leaving spaces in your name so it doesn't ping you, so you can answer it whenever you happen to read it.)
[08:41] <DanaG> Oh, and odd:  "Bug #177713 is not in Ubuntu"
[08:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177713 in boinc "2.6.24-2: Regression with idle cpu cycle handling" [Medium,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/177713
[08:43] <kripken> Speaking of the CFS, how are people impressed with it so far?
[08:50] <DanaG> I'm not (though you probably already know that from my bug report).
[08:50] <DanaG> s/not/not at all impressed/
[08:57] <kripken> DanaG: Yeah, I suspected as much :) . Myself, I don't have any hard evidence, but my experience is that Hardy with CFS is less responsive for desktop use. Especially on slow CPUs
[08:58] <DanaG> I actually have a Core Duo 1.83GHz, and when I was running folding as root, it made my system feel slower than an old p2 266 I have around here.
[08:58] <DanaG> If I say "idle cycles only!", I don't expect that thing to eat half my CPU time, even if it IS run as root.
[08:59] <kripken> well, based on the responses to the bug, *part* of the issue is that Ubuntu configured CFS with that group option. However, since this occurs also when using the same user... it's a serious problem
[08:59] <DanaG> Even if it's 'by design', the subjective behavior is a major regression.
[09:00] <kripken> yes
[09:00] <kripken> Perhaps removing the grouping option will solve it
[09:00] <DanaG> I think "idle cycles only" processes should get ALL and ONLY the cycles not needed by anybody else.
[09:01] <DanaG> I also still use the old deskbar applet, not the new desk-button-that-opens-a-window applet.
[09:01] <kripken> how is that related?
[09:02] <DanaG> It's on the theme of regressions that are 'by design'.
[09:02] <kripken> oh, ok (I don't use the deskbar, so didn't notice any change)
[09:03] <kripken> what annoys me is that when e.g. I compile in the background, on a 1GHz CPU I get sound and video stuttering, which I didn't get on previous Ubuntu versions
[09:03] <DanaG> Hmm, since I changed the 'folding' user's CPU share, I see less of a performance hit, but it's definitely still there.
[09:05] <DanaG> Heh, trying to delete .Trash from within baobab:
[09:05] <DanaG> Could not move ".Trash" to the Trash
[09:05] <DanaG> Details: Invalid parameters
[09:05] <kripken> heh
[09:06] <DanaG> Shift doesn't work there.
[12:14] <Evildust> hi
[12:15] <Evildust> which package repository should i use to install kde4? kubuntu.org?
[12:16] <DarkMageZ> Evildust, it's in the main repositories. no need to add anything
[12:16] <Evildust> okay thx
[12:18] <Evildust> just wondering why kubuntu.org has extra repos for gutsy and hardy
[12:26] <aurax> elkbuntu you idiot :)
[13:32] <h3sp4wn_> Right this has been annoying me for far too long - How can I get xorg to use the external monitor on its own if its plugged into my laptop otherwise the default screen (With the dpi set to the probed value in each case and not hardcoded)
[13:48] <danbhfive> anyone know how I can request a project for inclusion in hardy heron
[13:48] <danbhfive> ?
[13:49] <IdleOne> danbhfive: add a wish to launchpad.net
[13:58] <danbhfive> IdleOne: like a blueprint?  I can't find a "wish" term
[13:59] <IdleOne> yeah I guess a blueprint would be it. isnt that if you want to start a new project?
[13:59] <IdleOne> danbhfive: you can submit it as a Bug and in the Description add Wish to the beginning of it
[13:59] <danbhfive> i don't know.   I started the project myself.  I really have no idea
[14:00] <danbhfive> ah, ok
[14:00] <IdleOne> danbhfive: then it is a blueprint
[14:00] <danbhfive> huh, but you can register blueprints directly too
[14:01] <IdleOne> danbhfive: I am not really sure. must be some info on the site
[15:09] <frej> Hmm i get a crash in X that gives no hits in google/launchpad...
[15:09] <frej> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52785/
[15:09] <frej> Seems to be in xkb :( (Happens when gnome-settings-daemon) is run
[15:10] <smallfoot-> dont upgrade from 7.10 to 8.04 Alpha 3, I did and now my computer went haywire!
[15:12] <Hobbsee> ....
[15:12] <void^> smallfoot-: see topic
[15:12] <Hobbsee> you clearly didn't follow the topic
[15:12] <frej> any seen a similar crash?
[15:14] <motoplux> I upgraded yesterday, after a 5 hours fight with moooo my hardy runs flawless
[15:20] <smallfoot-> i didnt come to this channel, it should have said on the website "HEY NOOB! DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT! ALPHA 3 IS NOT FOR YOU!"
[15:20] <smallfoot-> so now my ubuntu is crippled, and im stuck to using windows xp
[15:20] <smallfoot-> ill try 8.04-final when its released
[15:22] <nanonyme> erm, what?
[15:22] <nanonyme> smallfoot-, alpha means it's in testing
[15:23] <nanonyme> use the latest stable unless you want to go bug hunting
[15:26] <smallfoot-> i thought it would be same like 7.10 but with new versions
[15:26] <smallfoot-> but no, its all buggy and crazy
[15:27] <nanonyme> smallfoot-, do you know what the concept of alpha is?
[15:29] <nanonyme> it's supposed to be buggy
[15:30] <nanonyme> heck, if it wasn't buggy, there'd be no reason really to do alpha's and beta's. you could just release right away
[15:35] <hydrogen> no you couldn't
[15:35] <hydrogen> you can't release till april
[15:35] <hydrogen> reguardless of how buggy it is
[15:35] <hydrogen> or isn't
[15:35] <hydrogen> look at the version number
[15:36] <nanonyme> hydrogen, i do know how it works with ubuntu. but that's all bureaucracy
[15:36] <hydrogen> nanonyme: you can't fight the bureaucracy
[15:36] <kripken> smallfoot-: I'm sorry to hear that your experience was like that. During the alpha stage, that is to be expected, however. Perhaps, despite this, I or someone else can help you to recover from it or to reinstall a previous version
[15:37] <nanonyme> hydrogen, my point was that if it says alpha or beta, you should be prepared to do bug hunting
[15:37] <hydrogen> unless the alpha or beta is prefixed by Google
[15:37] <bazhang> haha
[15:37] <nanonyme> since in software development terms that means there are a lot of bugs
[15:38] <hydrogen> no, it means its not expected to be stable
[15:38] <hydrogen> there is a huge difference between the two
[15:38] <hydrogen> people don't say "hmm, we need to release an alpha next week.. let me go break things so that its truly alpha quality"
[15:38] <nanonyme> :P
[15:38] <nanonyme> new features usually bring bugs
[16:21] <WorkingOnWise> hydrogen: I'm a little late to your party here, but I think some north-western US software compainies actually do say that. :D
[16:23] <blkorpheus> que?
[16:30] <bazhang> is hardy going to use xorg 7.3 or is that already in gutsy?
[16:31] <smallfoot-> hardy is going to use the new xorg
[16:31] <smallfoot-> gutsy has 1.3, but hardy has 1.4
[16:31] <bazhang> thanks smallfoot-
[16:31] <smallfoot-> :)
[16:31] <smallfoot-> np
[16:32] <bazhang> by the way smallfoot-the alpha two was much better than alpha 3
[16:32] <bazhang> by beta it should have most of the major issues ironed out
[16:33] <smallfoot-> oh
[16:33] <smallfoot-> its not possible to downgrade from alpha3 to alpha2? :d
[16:33] <bazhang> smallfoot-: do you have a lot of data to backup?
[16:34] <smallfoot-> and the wallpaper in gutsy is nice than hardy
[16:34] <smallfoot-> i have sda1 and sda2, and sda2 is my stuff, and sda1 is only ubuntu, i have nothing important on sda1
[16:34] <bazhang> best wait for beta 1 or two--the wallpaper is easily changed
[16:34] <smallfoot-> but on sdb i have much important stuff
[16:35] <smallfoot-> will there be a alpha4 or is next beta1?
[16:35] <bazhang> not sure; you can check the release calendar at ubuntu or at distrowatch
[16:36] <smallfoot-> where is release calendar?
[16:39] <Tomcat_> smallfoot-: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[16:42] <smallfoot-> thanks
[16:43] <smallfoot-> it says  January 31st
[16:43] <smallfoot-> 	
[16:43] <smallfoot-> 	
[16:43] <smallfoot-> 	
[16:43] <smallfoot-> Alpha 4
[16:43] <smallfoot-> but its already alpha 4 out in today 20 jan
[16:43] <smallfoot-> then alpha5, alpha6, but wont be no beta, cuz after that is final
[16:44] <smallfoot-> no beta? no rc?
[16:44] <Tomcat_> smallfoot-: Alpha 4? Never seen that.
[16:45] <smallfoot-> oh, maybe i have alpha3
[16:45] <scizzo-> alpha3 is out
[16:45] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: please see http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/
[16:45] <smallfoot-> oh, then thats what i have
[16:45] <smallfoot-> i must upgrade to alpha4, in 11 days, hoepfully it fix my computer
[16:46] <smallfoot-> i have alpha3, but ii dont have Firefox 3 Beta 2
[16:46] <smallfoot-> i update from 7.10 to alpha3
[16:46] <smallfoot-> and still ahve firefox 2.0.0.11
[16:46] <WorkingOnWise> smallfoot-: I am sure alpha4 will fix some things wrong with your computer.
[16:46] <scizzo-> yes because it aint standard yet
[16:46] <smallfoot-> cool
[16:47] <WorkingOnWise> and break others possibly
[16:47] <smallfoot-> hehe
[16:47] <smallfoot-> but on website it said alpha3 have firefox3, but it dont
[16:47] <scizzo-> yes
[16:47] <scizzo-> it does have the 3.0 in the release
[16:47] <scizzo-> I am using it...for testing only
[16:47] <kripken> it does, install firefox-3.0
[16:49] <smallfoot-> i updated from 7.10 to alpha3, and its still 2.0.0.11 not 3
[16:49] <smallfoot-> i did it by "update-manager -d"
[16:49] <void^> install firefox-3.0, run firefox-3.0, use firefox3
[16:49] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: 16:46   <scizzo-> yes because it aint standard yet
[16:50] <smallfoot-> i dont understand
[16:52] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: firfox-3.0 is not yet the first browser.....it still is the 2.0 release.....to be able to use the 3.0 version you need to install it
[16:53] <WorkingOnWise> while we are on the subject, can I run ff2 and ff3 on the same machine, same user, without breaking either one?
[16:53] <bazhang> yes
[16:53] <void^> yes
[16:53] <scizzo-> WorkingOnWise: shouldn't be any problem...
[16:53] <smallfoot-> its strange, i ahve to install it, when alpha3 website says it comes with ff3
[16:53] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: maybe because its a work in progress to make it standard browser
[16:54] <void^> ff3 isn't released yet, there's only betas out. would be a little unwise to update regular firefox to a beta snapshot.
[16:54] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: nothing on the site says that it _is_ the standard browser....only says that it is there
[16:54] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: I am not even sure that all the plugins work for firefox 3 yet
[16:55] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: since it is still beta releases of that browser also.
[16:55] <smallfoot-> scizzo-, but if i have to install it, its kinda not there
[16:55] <WorkingOnWise> cool. I have wanted to take it for a drive, but I already know that like 90% of my extentions don't work in ff3 yet, and I live for some of those extentions....
[16:56] <scizzo-> smallfoot-: like I said....work in progress
[17:09] <alex_mayorga> any fellow users bitten by the problem described on this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=622045 namely "Couldn't display "obex://[..." when trying to access a bluetooth device?
[17:15] <WorkingOnWise> does the gcj java browser plugin work yet?
[17:16] <WorkingOnWise> or where can I go to find out?
[17:36] <alex_mayorga> OK my problems seem to be rather old as bug #148712
[17:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148712 in gnome-bluetooth "Gusty, Hardy: Not seeing bluetooth services even after pairing" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/148712
[18:17] <enquora1> Can anyone give me some pointers on diagnosing wifi problems and bug filing? I have several machines with realtek 8185 chips that worked marginally under gutsy. Under hardy the chips aren't recognized at all. Don't know where to begin.
[18:22] <scizzo-> !launchpad 152527
[18:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 152527 in ubuntu "rtl8185 freezes on connect to network" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/152527
[18:24] <enquora1> ubotu: this would seem to be a different problem. Hardy a3 doesn't recognize the rtl8185 at all.
[18:46] <XBehave> will kde support multi pointer x in hardy?
[19:26] <Assid> okay i broke gutsy big time
[19:27] <Assid> i think i should participate in helping with hardy.. atleast when thats released it might not do funny things on my laptop
[19:27] <Assid> err.. how "broken" is hardy atm? can X atleast be used?
[19:28] <gunashekar> I am using hardy alpha on my laptop
[19:28] <WorkingOnWise> with the latest update to Xorg, my nvidia drivers finally work, sorta.
[19:28] <gunashekar> most applications seem to be working
[19:28] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: im using an old dell d600 and my compiz keeps breaking
[19:29] <WorkingOnWise> what video
[19:29] <Assid> thinkng if i participate. theres a good chance the final product will work fine for me atleast
[19:29] <Assid> ati radeon rv250 / mobility firegl 9000
[19:29] <gunashekar> Assid: If you do not have any critical data on you laptop , i don't see why not
[19:30] <Assid> gunashekar: atm.. only using it for irc/msn.. and remote desktop
[19:30] <Assid> but i do need a  valid X interface incase i go for a meet.. (rare)
[19:30] <Assid> okay hook me up.. lets check it out
[19:31] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing that IS screwed up in Hardy: battery reporting.
[19:31] <Assid> oh crap.. i use battery quite a bit
[19:31] <Assid> is it anywhere near 10% accurate?
[19:31] <gunashekar> Assid: I am using hardy alpha on my laptop , both Gnome and Xfce are working nicely, I have installed ubuntu studio as well and am able to run most applications
[19:31] <Assid> or am i working on guess work?
[19:31] <WorkingOnWise> Assid: i wont be much help with ati. I bought a nvidia laptop because the ati in my last one was such a pita. however, the last O knew, firegl's were very bad news on compiz.
[19:32] <gunashekar> Assid: battery reporting is totally regressed
[19:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/177570
[19:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 177570 in hal "[hardy] two batteries display when left clicking on g-p-m" [Medium,Confirmed]
[19:32] <DanaG> And one of the batteries doesn't update.
[19:32] <Assid> okay well.. im sure they "should" update it
[19:32] <DanaG> However, that bug CAN be worked around with an fdi file.
[19:32] <Assid> sweet
[19:33] <Assid> let me update my sources.list
[19:33] <Assid> just change gutsy to hardy right?
[19:35] <gunashekar> Assid: To upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10, run "update-manager -d" using the update-manager package from Gutsy.
[19:35] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/10-ignore-duplicate-battery.fdi
[19:35] <Assid> i just updaed sources.list
[19:35] <Assid> DanaG: gimme a few.. let me get onto the new one first
[19:37] <WorkingOnWise> anyone have a working java plugin?
[19:37] <WorkingOnWise> for ff2?
[19:37] <Assid> wish i could force apt to use 5 simultanous connections
[19:39] <wastrel> java works here
[19:39] <WorkingOnWise> wastrel: what plugin do u use?
[19:39] <lemonade> java+amd64=pain
[19:39] <WorkingOnWise> oh yeah...i'm on and64....big pite atm for some things
[19:40] <WorkingOnWise> pite=pita
[19:40] <Assid> err.. mirrors are slow
[19:40] <Assid> only 17K/sec
[19:40] <wastrel> hah sry that's a flash thing on java.com
[19:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I had to install java7.
[19:41] <DanaG> Java6 doesn't get along with libxcb.
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> what is the curent "right" way to install 32bit firefox
[19:41] <DanaG> Assid: what country are you in?
[19:41] <DanaG> Try using a different source, such as mirrors.kernel.org if in USA.
[19:41] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: are u on amd64?
[19:41] <DanaG> Large universities and such seem to have better connections.
[19:42] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I'm on 32-bit, actually.
[19:42] <WorkingOnWise> hehe...yeah, cuz the students are busy dl'ing movies amd music!
[19:42] <Assid> woops
[19:42] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: ah, ok.
[19:42] <Assid> my bad.. was on the wrong gateway
[19:42] <DanaG> Well, residential networking, at least at Cal Poly, is separate from the labs side.
[19:43] <DanaG> I love going into the lab, plugging into GbE, and downloading updates at 30 megabytes per second.
[19:43] <WorkingOnWise> DanaG: thay actually have different pipes for each?
[19:43] <wastrel> yeah java not working here
[19:44] <wastrel> plugin anyway
[19:44] <WorkingOnWise> wastrel: yup...have to wait still...
[19:44] <DanaG> I don't actually know the topology, but they wouldn't pipe the computer-sci department through residential.  Residential is most likely a branch of its own.
[19:44] <WorkingOnWise> what is the curent "right" way to install 32bit firefox  on an AMD64 system?
[19:47] <wastrel> is there a bug in about java plugin?
[19:48] <wastrel> not that i see
[19:48] <Assid> okay updatemaneger is saying i can only run a partial upgrade
[19:48] <Assid> "not all upgrades can be insalled"
[19:48] <nanonyme> hmm, where's the release schedule for hardy?
[19:49] <Assid> nanonyme: 6 month from gutsy release
[19:49] <Assid> so when did gutsy releasE?
[19:49] <wastrel> 7.10
[19:49] <nanonyme> i meant the schedule map
[19:49] <nanonyme> i don't remember the link
[19:50] <kripken> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyReleaseSchedule
[19:50] <nanonyme> right, thanks
[19:50] <nanonyme> going to be a lot of alpha's
[19:51] <Assid> whats a developer sprint?
[19:51]  * Assid watches the upgrade take place
[19:52] <Assid> only 2 hours 35 mins to go
[19:52] <Assid> lol
[19:52] <Assid> should i just download the iso disc
[19:52] <nanonyme> maybe developer sprint is irl activities? ^^
[19:53] <Assid> irl ?
[19:53] <nanonyme> in real life
[19:53] <nanonyme> that is, dev'd go running together somewhere
[19:54] <nanonyme> devs'd even
[19:54] <Assid> i need more bandwth
[19:55] <Assid> so im going from unstable 7.10 to alpha 8.10
[19:55] <Assid> err.. 8.04
[19:55] <nanonyme> contact your ISP? ;)
[19:55] <nanonyme> i'm sure they want to give you more bandwidth if you pay more
[19:55] <Assid> yeah well no unlimited usages
[19:55] <nanonyme> hum
[19:55] <selckin> find a better mirror
[19:56] <Assid> selckin: isp goes faster if i have multiple threads
[19:56] <nanonyme> it will go even faster if you get a faster connection ;)
[19:57]  * nanonyme got 8/1 a while ago
[19:57] <Assid> sweet
[19:57] <Assid> maybe i should upgrade tomorrow
[19:58] <nanonyme> nowadays the speed limitation is my adsl modem
[19:58] <nanonyme> it can't get downloads faster than 750 kilobytes per second at constant
[19:58] <Assid> hrmm
[19:59] <Assid> currently doing 163K/sec
[19:59] <nanonyme> s/at/a/
[19:59] <Assid> 1 hr 34 mins to go
[19:59] <Assid> honestly. there shoul dbe better support for LCD's
[19:59] <Assid> LCD's have a refresh rate too
[19:59] <Assid> generally upto 75hz
[19:59] <nanonyme> the refresh rate in LCD's is mostly irrelevant
[20:00] <Assid> err.. no
[20:00] <Assid> i find alot of difference between 60/75
[20:00] <nanonyme> err.. yes. it's not an electron cannon which will break your eyes with too low refresh rates
[20:01] <Assid> lower refresh rates slowly hurt my eyes..
[20:01] <nanonyme> like crt's are
[20:01] <Assid> even on lcd
[20:02] <Assid> when i get some cash.. thinking of the dell 22" ultrasharp lcd
[20:02] <Assid> currently on 17"CRT on my desktop
[20:02] <nanonyme> i don't use any crt's anymore except at work
[20:02] <Assid> why use crt's there?
[20:03] <nanonyme> at work i have 21" crt with 1600x1200@85Hz
[20:03] <Assid> sweett
[20:03] <Assid> i want one of those
[20:03] <Assid> mine does only 1024x768 @85
[20:04] <Assid> one day i plan to move my desktop to linux too
[20:04] <Assid> too man unstable and alot of apps required for my usage to wanna shift
[20:04] <Assid> and everything said and done. wine has a long way to go
[20:05] <Assid> the other day i wanted to do some development with monodevelop. unfortunately it was different than sharpdevelop
[20:06] <Assid> so just got annoyed
[20:07] <Assid> also the usage of compiz breaks wine apps as such
[20:07] <Assid> and GL apps
[20:26] <WorkingOnWise> wow is there an anoying feature in awn with ff3!
[20:26] <WorkingOnWise> during a dl' awn pops up a tooltip of the percent completed about every 2 seconds!
[20:28] <DanaG> Last CRT I used was 19"; I used it ah 1280x960 at 85Hz.
[20:28] <nanonyme> i'd rather use 1280x1024
[20:28] <DanaG> I'd also use 100Hz, but it whined horribly, and I think that's what made the convergence become so bad after not very long of owning it.
[20:28] <nanonyme> your resolution might lead into aspect ratio problems
[20:29] <DanaG> Actually, 1280x960 is 4:3.
[20:29] <DanaG> 1280x1024 is 5:4.
[20:29] <nanonyme> hmm...
[20:30] <nanonyme> true
[20:30] <WorkingOnWise>  is there any real performance gain to running 64bit ff2 or ff3?
[20:31] <nanonyme> now that you mentioned it, you're right
[20:32] <nanonyme> though 1280x1024 looks a lot better than 1280x960 on this tft
[20:33] <DanaG> That's because such LCDs really are 5:4.
[20:33] <nanonyme> ah, right
[20:33] <nanonyme> all of them?
[20:33] <DanaG> Most 17" and 19" LCDs are either 1280x1024 or 1440x900.
[20:34] <DanaG> Except in notebooks, that is.... there you can get 1920x1200 at even 15 inch, which seems edging on silly to me.
[20:34] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: awn?
[20:34] <Assid> the dock?
[20:34] <nanonyme> DanaG, what if it can't do a resolution as high as 1280x1024?
[20:34] <Assid> i need a new lcd screen for my desktop.. 1024x768@85 sucks
[20:35] <nanonyme> since 1024x768 would be wrong aspect ratio according to what you said
[20:35] <DanaG> It depends on the LCD itself.  Whatever the physical resolution, you want to match it.
[20:36] <nanonyme> it would need to be something like 1024x819 or so
[20:36] <nanonyme> myeah
[20:36] <Assid> btw did hardy fix that ntfs-3g bug?
[20:36] <WorkingOnWise> Assyup . Avant Window Manger
[20:37] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: sweet.. always wanted to use that
[20:37] <WorkingOnWise> it's cool, just no extra applets for it.
[20:37] <Assid> apparently if you use an external drive with ntfs.. and you enable the ntfs-write for external through ntfs-config it doesnt do anything
[20:37] <WorkingOnWise> just the launcher
[20:37] <Assid> you need to copy the hal files
[20:38] <Assid> WorkingOnWise: yeah i know. gives it the mac look
[20:38] <nanonyme> DanaG, so should i start measuring myself or is that told in some specs?
[20:38] <DanaG> It's most likely written somewhere.
[20:38] <Assid> man.. my sister is hooked on ubuntu
[20:39] <Assid> i told her to move back to windows.. just to pull her leg and well to have her stop bugging me for stupid things.. she just outright refused
[20:39] <Assid> and was all pissed off about it like it was a bigggg thing
[20:39] <DanaG> I have several things that make me stick with Ubuntu as my primary OS.
[20:39] <DanaG> One big one: font rendering.  I can't stand Cleartype.
[20:40] <Assid> cleartype and subpixel rendering is the same thing right?
[20:40] <DanaG> Boot windows: eyes hurt after not very long.  Boot Ubuntu: can read all day with no issues.
[20:40] <Assid> btw "appearance" is broken.. it just gets stuck
[20:40] <DanaG> Well, cleartype is one method, but there are some other methods.  I don't know the details.
[20:41] <Assid> this is on gutsy btw
[20:42] <DanaG> Another thing: nice visual styles.  I'm currently using Fedora's "Nodoka" theme, but with a much less "so bright I need sunglasses" blue.
[20:42] <DanaG> I like orange, but this theme doesn't seem to work with any shade of orange I've tried.
[20:43] <Assid> if you can get all my work to run perfectly with wine
[20:43] <Assid> i might move my desktop
[20:43] <DanaG> Try XP in Virtualbox.
[20:43] <Assid> not the same :9
[20:43] <Assid> rather use native then
[20:43] <DanaG> Depends on the nature of work, that is.  AutoCAD, for example, won't work, of course.
[20:44] <Assid> i got good hardware. but stupid thing slows down cause of the software :(
[20:45] <Assid> DanaG: i really want dreamweaver latest and other stuff on it
[20:45] <Assid> i got tons of legit software.. including windows
[21:02] <hit> hi there
[21:03] <swhalen> Hello, i cant get mono basic to compile
[21:03] <swhalen> is there a deb?
[21:05] <hit> hal fails to start and therefore almost nothing works, how can recover hal package or smth?
[21:06] <Assid> should i just download and install from the iso
[21:07] <Assid> atually will finish downloading through apt upgrade in 1/2 hr
[21:08] <gunashekar> Assid: To upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10, run "update-manager -d" using the update-manager package from Gutsy.
[21:08] <Assid> gunashekar: thats already being done
[21:08] <gunashekar> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/hardy/alpha3#head-be028bd7568bae6b7d5040719f71876ec87687ac
[21:08] <Assid> just wondering if i shoul make a live cd and keep
[21:08] <gunashekar> not worth it Assid
[21:09] <gunashekar> there are so many daily updates
[21:09] <Assid> hrmm true
[21:10] <Assid> gonna see if i can sit for 1/2 hr more
[21:10] <Assid> else will shut it down and continue tomorrow
[21:10] <emet> hry
[21:10] <Assid> hopefully compiz will still work
[21:11] <DanaG> Hmm, if I'm on AC, suspend and resume work pretty reliably, but if I'm on battery, resume never works.
[21:11] <Assid> err.. isnt it suspended to ram?
[21:11] <Assid> how should it matter between AC/battery?
[21:12] <DanaG> Beats me.
[21:13] <DanaG> I wish the packaged compiz-fusion had more of the inside-the-cube plugins.
[22:04] <thegve> Hello - Anyone tried the new ATI driver yet?
[22:04] <thegve> and seen this type of errors ;) module abi major version doesn't match the server's version
[22:05] <Dannilion> Hi- can anyone remind me how to stop a package from upgrading?
[22:05] <Dannilion> (using apt-get)
[22:09] <WorkingOnWise>  is the person still here wondering about 32bit firefox on 64bit linux?
[22:11] <Dannilion> Ahh... remembered it :)