[00:31] <RAOF> Is anyone else having trouble booting without acpi=off after a recent update?
[03:58] <BenderUnit22> cl
[03:58] <BenderUnit22> Grr, sorry again.
[04:32] <twb> Where can I find the NetworkManager people?  I'm trying to understand how to change network without resorting to a GUI.
[04:33] <twb> #networkmanager appears to be empty.
[04:52] <persia> twb: /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian may be helpful, but there doesn't seem to be much documentation, and this isn't the right forum, even if the other is empty.  You may have luck in #ubuntu, although it tends to be difficult on the weekends.
[04:53] <twb> Thanks, I already tried both.
[04:53] <twb> I'm pestering #debian now since I know they have NM, too.
[04:53] <twb> s/have/hate/
[05:05] <\sh> twb, you should deal with dbus
[05:05] <\sh> twb, check /etc/dbus-1/even.d/*NetworkManager*
[05:06] <twb> Yeah, but I've no idea how to forge messages on- hmm, looking...
[05:06] <\sh> twb, learn dbus messaging ;)
[05:06] <twb> I'd rather not if I could avoid it :-)
[05:07]  * \sh goes to bed now
[05:08] <twb> I only have /etc/dbus-1/system.d/NetworkManager.conf
[05:08] <\sh> twb, dbus-1/event.d/ there are two daemons started..
[05:09] <\sh> twb, tab-complete against dbus- and check google for more dbus and hal knowledge
[05:10] <twb> Well, thanks
[09:31]  * Hobbsee waves
[09:32] <Mithrandir> iz Hobbsee
[09:32]  * ion_ pulses
[09:33] <Hobbsee> it iz!
[09:33]  * Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet, before he levitates
[09:34] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: they're on top of my server, and you're not tall enough to stomp on top of that, so. :-P
[09:35]  * Hobbsee can climb!  :P
[09:35] <Mithrandir> pft
[09:35]  * Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee 
[09:35]  * Hobbsee bashes Mithrandir up
[09:37] <torkel> Hey, kids, be nice to each other...
[09:37]  * Hobbsee bashes torkel up too
[09:39] <torkel> Hobbsee: go away from the computer now, and don't come back until you can behave...
[09:39] <Hobbsee> hah
[12:40] <theunixgeek> :)
[12:40] <theunixgeek> Hi. I'm writing my own implementation of a command line file copy program, and I'm faced with the problem that the number of characters in a file should be set by the user in the third argument, but setting i = argv[3] doesn't really work. http://theunixgeek.pastebin.com/m26b0e8d6
[12:41] <Seveas> theunixgeek, this is not a programming help channel
[12:41] <theunixgeek> ok.
[17:36] <rzr> http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2207369/microsoft-patents-employee
[18:53] <andrea-bs> Hello! I want to know if bug #184603 can be a valid reason to ask the Stable Release Update for grep in gutsy
[18:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184603 in grep "grep -o wrong output" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184603
[19:24] <gladier> hey guys - im packaging something up and get this message "dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: control file must have at least one binary package part" along with "dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting."
[19:25] <Chipzz> gladier: -> #ubuntu-motu
[19:30] <Chipzz> andrea-bs: probably a whole lot of care would have to be taken there; grep is an Essential package
[19:31] <andrea-bs> thank you Chipzz, what should I do with the bug?
[19:32] <Chipzz> andrea-bs: I'm not an ubuntu developer, but... : if an updated grep would be broken, all hell would break loose; I would guess the -o option is not *that* important, and the chances of breaking other stuff may outweigh it
[19:32] <Chipzz> but you should probably ask a real developer ;)
[19:33] <andrea-bs> ok, thanks anyhow
[19:33] <Chipzz> (otoh, the version in hardy isn't broken so chances of stuff breaking are smaller I guess)
[19:43] <saispo> anyone use a bluetooth keyboard ?