| blizzzek | gn8 | 01:12 |
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| Hobbsee | jpatrick: be glad that i'm not on the tech board, then. | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | jpatrick: or me on the MC, which now does motu applications | 03:12 |
| cheguevara | evening | 03:57 |
| cheguevara | meh i mean morning :P | 03:58 |
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| Riddell | Sime: I don't know what to do about kded poppup from kde3 in kde4 | 09:27 |
| === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger | ||
| Riddell | it wants to be turned off but I'm not sure where to do that | 09:27 |
| smarter | Riddell: disable kded media manager in systemsettings-kde3? | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | nah | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | I think there is a special setting for that | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | in the device section | 09:29 |
| apachelogger | http://amarok.kde.org <-- amarok 2 tp1 released | 09:29 |
| smarter | apachelogger: the annoucement doesn't appears on http://amarok.kde.org/fr | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | smarter: does for me | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | just not in french yet | 09:31 |
| iRon | Riddell: i found how to implement user disk mounting in kde4.. do we need this? | 09:32 |
| Riddell | smarter: it needs an automatic way when it's running under kde 4 | 09:32 |
| Riddell | iRon: ooh, sure | 09:32 |
| iRon | Riddell: ok.. will do | 09:32 |
| Riddell | iRon: how did bullet proof X get on? (feature freeze is end of next week) | 09:33 |
| iRon | Riddell: Will try to release patch before Wed. | 09:34 |
| Riddell | excellent | 09:34 |
| smarter | Riddell: we just need to add "[Module-medianotifier] \n autoload=false" in .kde4/share/config/kdedrc | 09:34 |
| smarter | good candidate for k-d-s-kde4 | 09:35 |
| Riddell | smarter: it should be using ~/.kde not .kde4 | 09:35 |
| apachelogger | uploading amarok2 | 09:36 |
| Riddell | and we don't want to stop it in a kde 3 session, only a kde 4 one | 09:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: talking about that... are we going to switch to .kde again? | 09:36 |
| Riddell | hmm, how come this doesn't affect gnome? | 09:36 |
| apachelogger | or do it like suse and stick to .kde4? | 09:36 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: mm, dunno, I had mostly expected just to keep ~/.kde4 | 09:37 |
| smarter | if we keep ~/.kde4 it will not affect kde3 session to disable kded medianotifier | 09:38 |
| Riddell | smarter: kde3 kded should still be using ~/.kde | 09:38 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I wrote some thougts about that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/DotKde and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard | 09:38 |
| apachelogger | kde probably should go .kde4 in general | 09:38 |
| apachelogger | because I think it sux if we have to patch kde all the time to keep it in .kde4 | 09:38 |
| smarter | Riddell: so we don't touch ~/.kde and put this in ~/.kde4 | 09:40 |
| Riddell | smarter: so it'll be unused (except for starting apps with $KDEHOME set, which we don't by default) | 09:41 |
| smarter | Riddell: if I launch konsole-kde4 and type "echo $KDEHOME" I get ~/.kde4 | 09:41 |
| Riddell | smarter: only because it's set in /usr/bin/konsole-kde4, I expect that will go away | 09:43 |
| * apachelogger has to adapt the propsal on that stuff | 09:43 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: we have everything with rpath so we can drop the scripts for most of the apps | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | kfmclient needs some vars from what stdin told me | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | also amarok, because it depends on amarokcollectionscanner | 09:44 |
| apachelogger | but that's probably about it | 09:44 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'm not sure if kde 4 apps will break if $PATH isn't set | 09:45 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: thanks for the .kde wiki pages, I'm mostly unsure what to do about it but I'll need to have a think about it | 09:46 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I thought about propsing it for discussion in the next meeting along with the other stuff in KdeFour | 09:46 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yes we should discuss it then, although I don't know if we'd reach a consensus at a meett | 09:48 |
| Riddell | meeting | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | probably not | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | I'm also not able to attend | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | stdin however might | 09:48 |
| apachelogger | and he pretty much knows ever of my thoughs :D | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | *thoughts | 09:49 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, can you please have a look at the amarok2 package for the ppa? http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/tmp/amarok2/ | 09:49 |
| Riddell | lets see how good my new laptop is at compiling | 09:52 |
| apachelogger | huh | 09:53 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: which one did you get? | 09:54 |
| Riddell | thinkpad r61 | 09:54 |
| apachelogger | nice | 09:54 |
| jpatrick | LongPointyStick: is there anything you don't form part of? | 10:18 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: New Zealand :) | 10:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: amarok2 looking great. debian/copyright says GPL 2 but it seems to be GPL 2+ | 10:26 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'd copy the header out of xspfplaylist.cpp since that's the most "restrictive" | 10:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ok, thanks | 10:58 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: (and note that parts are GPL 2+ or LGPL 2+) | 11:00 |
| apachelogger | right, we actually were wondering why we use lgpl anyway | 11:01 |
| smarter | apachelogger: /usr/share/applications/kde4-amarok.desktop doesn't mention that it's the kde4 version | 11:11 |
| apachelogger | woohooo | 11:12 |
| * apachelogger is wondering why | 11:12 | |
| apachelogger | well | 11:12 |
| apachelogger | it's b0rked | 11:12 |
| apachelogger | smarter: fixed | 11:13 |
| smarter | cool | 11:13 |
| smarter | is there a good qt manpage editor? | 11:14 |
| smarter | atm I use manedit, but it's in GTK1 :( | 11:14 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: your debian/rules doesn't seem to be complete | 11:18 |
| Riddell | misses out | sed 's/Name=.*$$/& KDE 4/' \ | 11:18 |
| Riddell | | sed 's/Exec=[a-z]*/&-kde4/' \ | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: yeah, smarter just saied that ... dunno why I removed it | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | *shrug* | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | fixed | 11:18 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: changed copyright file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3744/ | 11:19 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'd use the header from xspfplaylist.cpp as I say, since it's not just GPL2+ | 11:25 |
| Riddell | also I'd s/version 2// from the last three paragraphs | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | aye | 11:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3746/ | 11:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: perfect | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | woohoo :) | 11:31 |
| * apachelogger prepares for upload | 11:31 | |
| apachelogger | wb Nightrose | 11:32 |
| Nightrose | re ;-) | 11:33 |
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| Hobbsee | ahh, found the other end of the split | 12:40 |
| Jucato | oh I'm with Hobbsee!!!! :) | 12:41 |
| Hobbsee | heya Jucato! | 12:42 |
| * Jucato hugs Hobbsee | 12:43 | |
| * Hobbsee hugs Jucato | 12:43 | |
| Hobbsee | :) | 12:43 |
| Hobbsee | come on services... | 12:44 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img047.jpg | 12:44 |
| * apachelogger_ notes that amarokers shouldn't sing | 12:44 | |
| Jucato | hehehe the maintenance seems to have come too early? | 12:44 |
| Riddell | freeflying: about? | 13:35 |
| freeflying | Riddell: hi | 13:37 |
| Riddell | freeflying: could you try these qt 3 packages? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt-3.3.8/ | 13:38 |
| Riddell | we need to update to 3.3.8 to get gpl 3, but last time you had CKJ issues with it | 13:38 |
| freeflying | Riddell: sure, build for hardy or gutsy? | 13:38 |
| Riddell | freeflying: these are hardy | 13:40 |
| Riddell | freeflying: are you able to test in hardy? it really needs hardy I think since fontconfig has changed settings | 13:43 |
| freeflying | Riddell: at first glance, it works | 13:55 |
| Riddell | freeflying: yay | 13:55 |
| freeflying | Riddell: when will you uplaod it? | 13:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: did you start a new KDE session? | 13:56 |
| Riddell | freeflying: I'll probably try and find someone else to test it first | 13:56 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yes | 13:56 |
| Riddell | sounding good | 13:56 |
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| Riddell | freeflying: well it works for Arno too, at least as much as the current one does | 15:09 |
| Riddell | freeflying: so I'll just upload and hope it works | 15:09 |
| jjesse | i never rememeber but what do in eed to set my ssh key permissions wise for bazaar/launchpad? | 15:31 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: we should start the transition proposed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/Apps4For3 right away | 15:44 |
| apachelogger_ | these issues drive me nuts | 15:44 |
| apachelogger_ | I can't even properly edit my debian/* -.- | 15:44 |
| \sh | apachelogger_, use vim ;) | 15:52 |
| apachelogger_ | nah, kate got tha powa! | 15:53 |
| * apachelogger_ loves katering :P | 15:53 | |
| emonkey | mhh jamm food | 15:53 |
| * emonkey should go out and eat someting | 15:54 | |
| blizzzek | hi | 16:50 |
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| Riddell | "Its that time of the month again, please ensure that tomorrow your team | 17:18 |
| Riddell | reports are added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/January2008" | 17:18 |
| Riddell | any volunteers? | 17:18 |
| jpatrick | can I do it in LaTeX? | 17:19 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: no, wiki | 17:21 |
| jpatrick | oh | 17:21 |
| \sh | sebas, why the change to 6 months releases? | 17:24 |
| jpatrick | \sh: sycronize with us :) | 17:24 |
| apachelogger | sync > merge :P | 17:25 |
| seele | Riddell: has kubuntu never submitted a team report before? | 17:25 |
| seele | oh.. september | 17:25 |
| Riddell | seele: jono has never bothered to send out a reminder before | 17:25 |
| Riddell | which means it doesn't get done | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:26 |
| \sh | jpatrick, well, not when I read the announcement correctly ,-) | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | just write... heavy development on KDE 4 transition blah blah, still a lot to be done before hardy blah blah, nontheless our packages rock blah blah, kubuntu ftw fullstop | 17:26 |
| apachelogger | \sh: the idea is that we have a reliable product and not a bleeding edge one | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | so we have 4.1.3 or something | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | which is of course better than 4.1.0 | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | though, I can patch everything :P | 17:28 |
| \sh | apachelogger, well...july 2008 means 4 months to release of 8.10 | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | right so we have 4.1.4 | 17:28 |
| apachelogger | ultimately | 17:28 |
| Riddell | I think that's quite nice timing | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 17:29 |
| Riddell | allows for slippage on the KDE side and means we don't get a .0 | 17:29 |
| \sh | Riddell, when we get the same rights like the Ubuntu G variant ;) | 17:29 |
| Riddell | \sh: same rights? | 17:29 |
| \sh | like pushing 4.1.x just before release ;) | 17:29 |
| apachelogger | don't we do that all the time? | 17:30 |
| Riddell | \sh: we're done that more than once | 17:30 |
| Riddell | gutsy saw a whole new KDE uploaded after the RC | 17:30 |
| * apachelogger thinks the wiki is dying | 17:31 | |
| smarter | and a major bug in Kopete in the release... | 17:31 |
| \sh | kopete is not important ,) | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | lol | 17:32 |
| \sh | psi works everytime ;) | 17:32 |
| apachelogger | anyone knows how to create a toc in moinmoin? | 17:32 |
| \sh | and multiprotocol clients are evil anyways ;) kopete and pidgin needs to die very fast | 17:32 |
| \sh | apachelogger, use header markups...it should add after the second or third headerline a toc by itself | 17:33 |
| apachelogger | how to use them? | 17:33 |
| * apachelogger hates not working documentation | 17:33 | |
| seele | was a -kde4 channel ever created? | 17:34 |
| * seele is looking through meeting notes | 17:34 | |
| \sh | apachelogger, == e.g. | 17:35 |
| Riddell | seele: try it and see :) | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | \sh: doesn't do it for me | 17:35 |
| \sh | apachelogger, which wiki? | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard | 17:35 |
| apachelogger | anyway | 17:36 |
| seele | Riddell: yeah.. i did that right after i asked the stupid question :) | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard I made an enhancement at the bottom, explaining the need for post-migration-migrations | 17:36 |
| \sh | apachelogger, hmmm...check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopmen and try the anchor macro | 17:36 |
| apachelogger | \sh: thx, the tablestyle line did the trick | 17:39 |
| seele | ok.. well we have *something* for the Kubuntu Team report now.. although i suspect it is incomplete | 17:40 |
| seele | (just took stuff out of our meeting notes) | 17:40 |
| jpatrick | yay! someone reads them ;) | 17:41 |
| seele | jpatrick: especially for the meetings that happen at 6 in the morning :) | 17:41 |
| Riddell | seele: thanks! | 17:42 |
| jjesse | afternoon :) | 17:46 |
| jpatrick | afternoon jjesse | 17:47 |
| jjesse | thanks for the mtg notes as well i read them everytime | 17:47 |
| jpatrick | :) | 17:48 |
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| nixternal | who's buying lunch? | 18:04 |
| jpatrick | nixternal: we thought you'd never ask... :) | 18:05 |
| nixternal | hehe | 18:06 |
| nixternal | I am starving | 18:06 |
| mhb | hey folks | 18:06 |
| nixternal | howdy mhb | 18:07 |
| mhb | hi nixternal | 18:07 |
| mhb | was there a discussion about the wallpaper recently? | 18:08 |
| mhb | I've got so much school that I can't keep up with this channel :o( | 18:08 |
| nixternal | I just seen a kubuntu-default-settings upload, so I would have to guess yes | 18:08 |
| jjesse | hello nixternal | 18:08 |
| mhb | nixternal: I did, too... that's why I ask | 18:08 |
| nixternal | howdy jjesse | 18:09 |
| jjesse | nixternal: how are things? | 18:12 |
| nixternal | busy like always | 18:16 |
| jjesse | i understand, spent some time on sunday watching the football games and working on my book chpter | 18:16 |
| jjesse | need to wrap that up this week | 18:16 |
| nixternal | yesterday i was a a lug event all day long | 18:16 |
| nixternal | way to long of a day | 18:17 |
| jjesse | wow | 18:17 |
| nixternal | tomorrow is going to be an insane day, school in the morning, pickup my truck, school at night | 18:19 |
| nixternal | I have to take the school bus tonight to school :p | 18:19 |
| nixternal | good ol' chicago transit authority | 18:19 |
| jjesse | awesome ridding the short bus? | 18:19 |
| nixternal | hahaha, yup | 18:19 |
| mhb | you've got some nice weather over there | 18:19 |
| jjesse | its so stinkin cold here in grand rapids | 18:20 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: do you think we should go along with suse and stick with .kde4? | 18:49 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: it would be the simplest option (but would still need a converter on first KDE 4 run) | 18:50 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: well, as explained in the MigrationWizard page it doesn't matter all that much IMO, we just have to ensure that .kde gets moved to .kde3 at first KDE3 start in hardy | 18:52 |
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| Riddell | apachelogger_: and then .kde created with files from .kde3/share/config? | 18:57 |
| === wolfg-r is now known as wolf-r | ||
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: yep | 18:59 |
| mhb | Riddell: good evening, how was the release event? | 18:59 |
| Riddell | mhb: all rather fun | 19:00 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: the wiki page pretty much explains all possible cases of migration if we go .kde for KDE 4 | 19:00 |
| mhb | Riddell: who did decide the new Kubuntu wallpaper? | 19:01 |
| Riddell | mhb: me and kwwii decided that since nobody suggested one we'd just upload something and see if that helps gets suggestions :) | 19:01 |
| apachelogger_ | ^_^ | 19:01 |
| mhb | sounds good | 19:02 |
| mhb | thanks | 19:02 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: did you get my msg on the hardy Kubuntu ports page? | 19:03 |
| Riddell | jpatrick: no, don't think so | 19:03 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ | 19:04 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: it says LTS | 19:04 |
| * apachelogger_ notes that this whole migration stuff is overly complex | 19:04 | |
| Riddell | jpatrick: oh right, mmm | 19:04 |
| jpatrick | Riddell: nah, it's just someone in #kubuntu, said wheter Hardy was LTS and he pointed me at that :) | 19:05 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: by Migration Wizard are you imagining a GUI tool? | 19:06 |
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| apachelogger_ | Riddell: partly, there is some stuff we can do without a GUI, like moving .kde to .kde3 if first login is a KDE 3 login | 19:08 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: it would be better if it just did the right thing, any GUI would just confuse most users | 19:09 |
| apachelogger_ | well, I think there is only one case where the gui actually kicks in | 19:09 |
| apachelogger_ | lemme check | 19:09 |
| Riddell | mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (end of next week) | 19:11 |
| mhb | end of next week? | 19:11 |
| mhb | I can try | 19:11 |
| Riddell | oh, wait | 19:11 |
| Riddell | I'm wrong, it's feb 15th | 19:12 |
| Riddell | mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (feb 15th?) :) | 19:12 |
| mhb | that's much more likely | 19:12 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: eh, is that when I need to have my compiz manager in by? | 19:12 |
| Riddell | ah, nosrednaekim, was going to ask :) | 19:13 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: it doesn't need to be finished or bug free, but it should basicly work and be in the distro by then | 19:13 |
| apachelogger_ | hmm | 19:14 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: I am crazy busy right now with school.... but I should have at least a roughly functional one by then | 19:14 |
| nosrednaekim | ok | 19:14 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: great, let us know if that starts looking unlikely and we'll work out a plan | 19:14 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: we could use an always migrate everything solution, which probably is convenient for ~90% of our target audience | 19:15 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde, copy it over | 19:16 |
| apachelogger_ | yep | 19:16 |
| * apachelogger_ reworks the current proposal | 19:16 | |
| apachelogger_ | god is that complex :S | 19:18 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: plus some custom rules for things we want to copy over from .kde/share/apps/ | 19:19 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: I think for that we should have a gui | 19:20 |
| apachelogger_ | like, amarok2 will probably not be in hardy | 19:20 |
| apachelogger_ | so one has to use amarok1 | 19:20 |
| apachelogger_ | still one can run kde4 | 19:20 |
| apachelogger_ | so the configs of amarok would still be in .kde3 | 19:20 |
| apachelogger_ | now, when amarok2 gets included one might want to migrate the amarok1 | 19:21 |
| apachelogger_ | i.e. post-migration updates | 19:21 |
| nosrednaekim | so a first run wizard for kde4? | 19:21 |
| apachelogger_ | nah, that idea just got kicked | 19:21 |
| Riddell | hmm | 19:21 |
| apachelogger_ | the post-migration would just cause the wizard tool thingy t reimport the concerned app from .kde3 | 19:22 |
| Riddell | foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde and the kde 4 app is installed, copy it over | 19:22 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: to be executed for every start? | 19:23 |
| Riddell | apachelogger_: yes, but that still wouldn't work | 19:27 |
| Riddell | since users would install amarok2 and run it before they logout/in again | 19:27 |
| apachelogger_ | yep | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | also | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | that would cause speed problems | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | because this whould also have to be done for share/apps | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | and there can be a lot of data | 19:28 |
| Riddell | also we don't necessarily know which rc files go with which apps | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | e.g. mails, amarok album covers, amarok music collection | 19:28 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: we can create definition sets for this | 19:29 |
| apachelogger_ | manuall check which files belong to which app | 19:29 |
| apachelogger_ | this way we can cover at least the most important ones | 19:29 |
| Riddell | we could add a postinst script to all kde 4 apps to run this | 19:29 |
| Riddell | that wouldn't be especially hard and would't slow down every login | 19:30 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 19:30 |
| Riddell | hm indeed | 19:30 |
| Riddell | I need to go | 19:30 |
| Riddell | thanks for bringing this up | 19:30 |
| apachelogger_ | Riddell: ok, we'll talk later :) | 19:30 |
| smarter | +1 for postinst, great idea | 19:31 |
| selckin | package installs should stay the hell out of ~ :( | 19:31 |
| wesley_ | some kde4 packs say break | 19:33 |
| apachelogger_ | hoooray | 19:33 |
| apachelogger_ | wesley_: which ones | 19:33 |
| * Tm_T has perfect build (almost) | 19:34 | |
| apachelogger_ | selckin: you'd rather have an insane migration script go all over your files at every login :P | 19:34 |
| wesley_ | eyesapplet that i wanted to install ( got the whole kde4 desktop already ) there where more also local i believe | 19:34 |
| selckin | apachelogger_: if it means you don't eat my data yes. | 19:34 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 19:35 |
| apachelogger_ | right | 19:35 |
| apachelogger_ | we need to do backups | 19:35 |
| apachelogger_ | very important | 19:35 |
| selckin | i'd plain stop using kubuntu if thats acceptable to you guys tbh | 19:35 |
| apachelogger_ | wesley_: I don't get the issue | 19:35 |
| wesley_ | now my kde4 desktop is in englisch for half but i got dutch translation installed and german and some apps have german now so i wanted to try to reinstall dutch | 19:37 |
| apachelogger_ | selckin: wanna threaten me? :-P | 19:37 |
| selckin | apachelogger_: no | 19:37 |
| apachelogger_ | wesley_: nice, do you use kdm-kde4? | 19:37 |
| apachelogger_ | selckin: there is no other good solution | 19:37 |
| selckin | apachelogger_: why can't kde3 keep using .kde3, and kde4 .kde4, and have a simple import kde3 type thing option? | 19:37 |
| apachelogger_ | we have to do a one-time copy/move for .kde -> .kde3 | 19:38 |
| wesley_ | yes i use kdm-kde4 | 19:38 |
| selckin | err kde3 .kde | 19:38 |
| apachelogger_ | selckin: because not all apps are ported at ones, so KDE would face exactly the issue we are having, how to keep the configs up-to-date in both pockets | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | wesley_: switch back to kdm | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | kdm-kde4 is having serious issues | 19:39 |
| wesley_ | how ? | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | just uninstall kdm-kde4, that should popup a dialog so you can switch back to kdm | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | or | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm | 19:39 |
| apachelogger_ | in that case you wouldn't have to uninstall kdm-kde4 | 19:39 |
| selckin | in any case notting should be allowed to touch home dirs imo, at least not that invasively | 19:40 |
| wesley_ | thanks what problems did it cause then ? | 19:40 |
| apachelogger_ | wesley_: broken translations, broken umlauts/accents, broken init script, well pretty much everything prefixed with broken ;-) | 19:41 |
| smarter | yay, plasma taskbar with multiple lines \o/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/while-cats-away.html | 19:42 |
| wesley_ | ows did,tn know it had that big effect | 19:42 |
| apachelogger_ | selckin: that's very hypocritical IMHO, we wouldn't do anything else than KDE would do with a migration system | 19:43 |
| nosrednaekim | smarter: w00t | 19:44 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 19:45 |
| apachelogger_ | I think postinst is the most reliable solution | 19:46 |
| apachelogger_ | though I'm a bit worried about the speed | 19:46 |
| apachelogger_ | because if it has to copy amarok covers and collection for say 5 users with a considerable big collection, it's gonna take some time | 19:47 |
| apachelogger_ | same for mails | 19:47 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 19:47 |
| nosrednaekim | I really don't think mails should be in .kde | 19:47 |
| nosrednaekim | its way too dangerous and a bad design IMO | 19:47 |
| wesley_ | is kde4.1 a major or minor release? | 19:47 |
| apachelogger_ | minor | 19:47 |
| apachelogger_ | nosrednaekim: well, they are right now, and we have to put them there for the akonadi import | 19:48 |
| apachelogger_ | hm | 19:48 |
| wesley_ | apachelogger are you also on the kde4 devel? | 19:48 |
| nosrednaekim | unless you symlink them like I do... | 19:48 |
| apachelogger_ | maybe we can just make postinst delegate the wizard the actions | 19:49 |
| selckin | i would't even have enough free space for a copy :) | 19:49 |
| apachelogger_ | so it stores the config-definiton-set-amarok file in /foo/bar, and writes a config to /etc/kubuntu-wizard so the wizard will process config-defintion-set-amarok on login and then write it into the user config, so it doesn't do it again | 19:50 |
| apachelogger_ | though that might also cause speed issues with a lot of package updates | 19:50 |
| apachelogger_ | *think* | 19:51 |
| apachelogger_ | ah, it's all very unhealthy :P | 19:52 |
| apachelogger_ | my brain might explode | 19:52 |
| apachelogger_ | bad thing to happen at this point | 19:52 |
| * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk | 19:52 | |
| wesley_ | OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset | 20:17 |
| wesley_ | OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset | 20:20 |
| jpatrick | !repeat > wesley_ | 20:21 |
| todobg | when will see amarok 2 in repo? | 20:21 |
| smarter | amarok2 packages are broken :/ | 20:21 |
| smarter | they're in the ppa | 20:22 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: ping | 20:22 |
| todobg | broken or ok? | 20:22 |
| nosrednaekim | wesley_: use Xrender | 20:22 |
| smarter | broken. | 20:22 |
| todobg | ccc | 20:22 |
| wesley_ | i ment not to repeat was just that i needed to reboot | 20:22 |
| wesley_ | where do i find xrender | 20:23 |
| jpatrick | !support > wesley_ | 20:24 |
| nosrednaekim | wesley_: under advanced options | 20:24 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: broken? | 20:24 |
| smarter | hum works now | 20:24 |
| apachelogger_ | pfft | 20:24 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: seem to be related to your test version | 20:25 |
| apachelogger_ | sure, blame the test version :P | 20:25 |
| wesley_ | nosrednaekim: kde3 or kde4 systemsettings? | 20:25 |
| smarter | there was no -phonon package so the two packages had same files | 20:26 |
| nosrednaekim | wesley_: in the desktop effects settings... in any case, please take this to #kubuntu-kde4 | 20:26 |
| smarter | going to see how long it takes to crash this one :P | 20:26 |
| smarter | there's no icon for amarok2 in the menu | 20:28 |
| apachelogger_ | lol | 20:28 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: would you like a pre-release of the compizconfig app ? | 20:28 |
| todobg | amarok2 have icon here and ok | 20:31 |
| todobg | lol for this warning | 20:32 |
| todobg | :) | 20:32 |
| smarter | "kbuildsycoca4(23344) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType in "kde4/krita_ora.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailingsemicolon)." << is that a kubuntu bug or krita bug? | 20:32 |
| seele | Riddell: where is the kubuntu group picture from the release party? | 20:44 |
| seele | Riddell: i havent seen anyone post it yet | 20:44 |
| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| allee | smarter: a 'bug' in desktop file, so krita | 20:54 |
| Nightrose | Riddell: there is a fan page for ubuntu on facebook now - I think we should have one forkubuntu as well | 21:01 |
| smarter | there's no kde4 wrapper script for krandrtray | 21:04 |
| nosrednaekim | Nightrose: was that a typo? | 21:04 |
| smarter | so the krandrtray KDE4 entry in menu doesn't work | 21:04 |
| Nightrose | nosrednaekim: ? | 21:04 |
| nosrednaekim | Nightrose: "forkubuntu" | 21:04 |
| nosrednaekim | XD | 21:04 |
| Nightrose | hehe yea - for kubuntu | 21:04 |
| Nightrose | ;-) | 21:04 |
| smarter | very weird | 21:09 |
| smarter | I closed and krandrtray-kde4 | 21:09 |
| smarter | and my computer crashed... | 21:09 |
| smarter | even magic sysrq keys didn't work | 21:09 |
| smarter | s/closed and/closed/ | 21:09 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: you should put it into svn | 21:11 |
| Riddell | mm, not svn, put it into bzr | 21:12 |
| Riddell | seele: no, I havn't seen it, the woman one neither | 21:12 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: already have a local fix for krandrtray | 21:13 |
| smarter | apachelogger_: are you talking about the "lack of wrapper script" issue or the "crash everything and kill your dog" issue? ;) | 21:15 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: will do.... | 21:16 |
| nosrednaekim | Riddell: should I just register a new project on launchpad? | 21:21 |
| Riddell | nosrednaekim: didn't mhb have his stuff in a project? | 21:22 |
| Riddell | if not, then sure | 21:22 |
| apachelogger_ | smarter: wrapper | 21:23 |
| nixternal | ryanakca: you like that little mockup? I was bored yesterday so I started playing around in Inkscape | 21:46 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: yes, I do... interesting concept... it could be the main page / first page, and then we'd have to have a theme for the drupal site that follows | 21:58 |
| nixternal | yup | 21:59 |
| nixternal | if we don't use it, there was a guy at the lug event yesterday who would be interested in having a similar concept done for him, so I win no matter what :) | 21:59 |
| ryanakca | nixternal: put it up on the mockups page... its all we have from what I can see (w.k.o/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups has been loading all day, so I can't) | 21:59 |
| nixternal | roger | 21:59 |
| ryanakca | :) | 22:00 |
| * ryanakca goes to change the batteries in his mouse | 22:00 | |
| Tm_T | I first read "in his house" | 22:02 |
| Tm_T | "ooh, battery powered house, how convenient" | 22:02 |
| nixternal | hehe | 22:02 |
| jpatrick | rofl | 22:02 |
| nixternal | we had to configure a LinkedIn account today for our business class and the professor said that it is a great utility when used....so I have already bugged 90% of the community I think :p | 22:03 |
| ryanakca | Tm_T: rofl | 22:03 |
| ryanakca | there we go, much better :) | 22:03 |
| nixternal | click a link in the wiki, go on vacation..when you come back, the page should be loaded | 22:04 |
| Tm_T | nixternal: nice, though, if you did bug me, you wasted your time | 22:04 |
| nixternal | don't think I ran across your name | 22:04 |
| Tm_T | because I don't use those things | 22:04 |
| nixternal | we have to have 100% completion by friday | 22:04 |
| Tm_T | I just keep evading ;) | 22:04 |
| * ryanakca pokes the blasted wiki | 22:04 | |
| nixternal | I need 5 more confirmed contacts and that will get me to 100% and I also need 2 more references to take me up to a 100% | 22:05 |
| === _czessi is now known as Czessi | ||
| nixternal | I at least got the svg and png uploaded | 22:05 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: hmm, might be stupid question, but, is there some way to us (finnish loco) to have some "official" representative of Kubuntu too? as in not only loco leader | 22:06 |
| Nightrose | nixternal: hehe add me | 22:06 |
| Nightrose | then you got one more | 22:06 |
| nixternal | roger that | 22:06 |
| * nixternal logs back in to linkedin | 22:06 | |
| nixternal | done | 22:07 |
| vorian | evening | 22:08 |
| nixternal | Sargen Major vorian? :) | 22:08 |
| vorian | lol | 22:08 |
| Tm_T | hi kid | 22:08 |
| vorian | aloha | 22:09 |
| nixternal | vorian: you haven't updated your LinkedIn account in a while ey? | 22:09 |
| vorian | what's that? | 22:09 |
| * ryanakca scratches his head and googles to see what linkedin is | 22:09 | |
| nixternal | Stephen Stalcup | 22:09 |
| nixternal | SGS Sergeant Major at US Army | 22:09 |
| nixternal | Topeka, Kansas Area | 22:09 |
| vorian | hmm | 22:09 |
| vorian | that's weird | 22:09 |
| nixternal | is that you? | 22:09 |
| vorian | no | 22:09 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 22:09 |
| vorian | I was in the navy | 22:10 |
| nixternal | wow, another Stalcup | 22:10 |
| nixternal | oh ya, derr | 22:10 |
| nixternal | GO NAVY! | 22:10 |
| Tm_T | stalcup? | 22:10 |
| vorian | What's weird is I was born in kansas | 22:10 |
| nixternal | uh oh | 22:10 |
| nixternal | mix up in the hospital? | 22:10 |
| nixternal | haha | 22:10 |
| vorian | (dual identities!!!!) | 22:10 |
| nixternal | no doubt | 22:10 |
| nixternal | hijack his stuff! | 22:10 |
| nixternal | Sergeant Major is big time | 22:10 |
| vorian | hopefully he doesn't kill his family or something | 22:10 |
| vorian | I'll prolly get the short end of that stick | 22:11 |
| nixternal | probably why he hasn't updated his LinkedIn account :p | 22:11 |
| vorian | mwahaha | 22:11 |
| nixternal | no Internet in Leavenworth | 22:11 |
| vorian | only pain | 22:11 |
| nixternal | ya, I killed that spelling | 22:11 |
| Tm_T | I prolly have most hc uniform here | 22:11 |
| nixternal | and I got my certification to transfer prisoners from Leavonworth | 22:12 |
| vorian | lucky you :P | 22:12 |
| nixternal | Quantico is worse imho | 22:13 |
| vorian | with all the feds? | 22:13 |
| nixternal | ya | 22:13 |
| vorian | i'd say so | 22:13 |
| Tm_T | meh | 22:13 |
| nixternal | the federal holding facility is nasty | 22:13 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: representative in what way? | 22:13 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: well some title to use when organising stuff | 22:13 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: sure, you can be Chief Kubuntu Representative in Scandinavia | 22:14 |
| Tm_T | and for contacts to authorities and business etc, I don't know | 22:14 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: perfect | 22:14 |
| nixternal | hey, I want to be official too, I am just scared to see the title :p | 22:15 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: mail me some paper soon? ;) | 22:15 |
| Riddell | the only thing we do with locos is list them on support.php | 22:15 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I know | 22:15 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: but, I'm not ok to just make my own title to use, nor go to organise something big and expensive and be "just some guy/gal" | 22:16 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: why not? it's what everyone else does | 22:17 |
| Tm_T | I know I know | 22:17 |
| Riddell | I don't have a title | 22:17 |
| Tm_T | :) | 22:17 |
| Tm_T | you have in my mind | 22:17 |
| Tm_T | so does our loco contact(leader) in my mind | 22:17 |
| nixternal | kbdfl, that is you Riddell, sounds like a good title to me :) | 22:17 |
| Riddell | lots of people at the release event used /the/ | 22:17 |
| Riddell | as in "are you /the/ Jonathan Riddell" | 22:18 |
| Tm_T | :)) | 22:18 |
| Riddell | I think that's about as fancy a title as I would want | 22:18 |
| Tm_T | agreed there | 22:18 |
| ryanakca | lol | 22:18 |
| Tm_T | I don't like titles nor anything | 22:18 |
| * ryanakca waves to /the/ | 22:18 | |
| Tm_T | the end is nigh! | 22:18 |
| Tm_T | bah | 22:20 |
| Tm_T | I just go with "active member" if anything needed ever, otherwise I stay with "just some guy/gal" | 22:21 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: you are our Finish Kubuntu Contact | 22:21 |
| Tm_T | mmmh | 22:21 |
| Riddell | since you're who I'd go to to update the details on support.php | 22:21 |
| Tm_T | heh | 22:21 |
| === wolfger is now known as wolf-r | ||
| * ryanakca checks the Todo page to see if it has been updated with any new tasks | 22:22 | |
| Riddell | ryanakca: merge qyoto into kdebindings | 22:22 |
| Tm_T | I thank for your trust in this | 22:22 |
| ryanakca | qyoto? into? I'm guessing that would mean take the two seperate packages and put them as one? | 22:23 |
| ryanakca | s/as/into/ | 22:23 |
| === wolf-r is now known as wolfger | ||
| ryanakca | Riddell: ? | 22:25 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: aah, btw, something to add to http://www.kubuntu.org/support.php | 22:29 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yeah | 22:29 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: apt-get source qyoto, and get kdebindings packaging from svn.debian.org pkg-kde | 22:30 |
| Riddell | in branches/kde4/packages | 22:30 |
| Riddell | get our current kdebindings from apt-get source kdebindings (currently it's only python) | 22:30 |
| Riddell | and merge in to the debian source | 22:30 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: what's htat? | 22:31 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I think ubuntu-fi website and forums should be mentioned too | 22:33 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: oh, and mailinglist? | 22:34 |
| Riddell | Tm_T: sure, pastebin me an approvriate sentence in HTML in Finish and English | 22:36 |
| Riddell | appropriate | 22:36 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: oh, I was writing plain txt, but sure html is doable in seconds | 22:36 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: thanks for reminding me on this :) | 22:40 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/kubuntu-support.txt | 22:49 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: what version do I put it at? 3.5.8-2 or 3.5.8-1ubuntu4 or 3.5.8-2ubuntu1 ? | 22:49 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: -0ubuntu1, it hasn't been uploaded to debian yet | 22:50 |
| Riddell | and we can send them the patch to merge in | 22:50 |
| ryanakca | ok | 22:51 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: wait... do I rename the source package (currently kdebindings) or something since its already at -1ubuntu3 ? | 22:52 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: sorry, kdebindings-kde4 for us | 22:55 |
| Riddell | my mistake | 22:55 |
| Riddell | but start with http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/branches/kde4/packages/kdebindings/debian/ | 22:56 |
| ryanakca | yep, I have that | 22:56 |
| * ryanakca is starting with the Debian source, and then bringing in the Ubuntu changes | 22:57 | |
| Riddell | hmm, the Debian package is less finished than I thought | 22:57 |
| ryanakca | Universe? | 22:57 |
| Riddell | yes, it's un iverse | 22:57 |
| * ryanakca will take it as far as I can... which probably wont be very far, but at least its a start :) | 22:58 | |
| Riddell | ryanakca: since the debian packaging is basicly unstarted, it might be best to just add qyoto to the packaging we have for now | 22:58 |
| Riddell | we want to get rid of the qyoto source package anyway, kdebindings is more up to date | 22:59 |
| ryanakca | ok | 22:59 |
| ryanakca | so ditch debian and just merge qyoto into our own? | 22:59 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: yep | 22:59 |
| ryanakca | kk :) | 22:59 |
| Riddell | this would be good to have packaged http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kepas+-+KDE+Easy+Publish+and+Share?content=73968 | 23:08 |
| Riddell | oh, please all test libqt3-mt 3:3.3.8-b-0ubuntu1 | 23:09 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: is it possible to package knotes-kde4, or do we have to wait for all of kdepim kde4 to be ready? | 23:09 |
| * ryanakca => supper | 23:09 | |
| Riddell | ryanakca: if it's suitable for packaging that could be done | 23:10 |
| ryanakca | okies, and then just drop it when kdepim is ready? | 23:10 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: where's that package? | 23:10 |
| vorian | I can take on Kepas | 23:10 |
| vorian | or not :) | 23:11 |
| tlayton | hey, on hardy, i all of a sudden got this error today when starting kontact or kmail. "kontact: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: fstat64" | 23:58 |
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