[01:12] gn8 === todobg is now known as MuNzE === \sh is now known as \sh_away [03:11] jpatrick: be glad that i'm not on the tech board, then. [03:12] jpatrick: or me on the MC, which now does motu applications [03:57] evening [03:58] meh i mean morning :P === apache|mobile is now known as releaselogger [09:27] Sime: I don't know what to do about kded poppup from kde3 in kde4 === releaselogger is now known as apachelogger [09:27] it wants to be turned off but I'm not sure where to do that [09:29] Riddell: disable kded media manager in systemsettings-kde3? [09:29] nah [09:29] I think there is a special setting for that [09:29] in the device section [09:29] http://amarok.kde.org <-- amarok 2 tp1 released [09:31] apachelogger: the annoucement doesn't appears on http://amarok.kde.org/fr [09:31] smarter: does for me [09:31] just not in french yet [09:32] Riddell: i found how to implement user disk mounting in kde4.. do we need this? [09:32] smarter: it needs an automatic way when it's running under kde 4 [09:32] iRon: ooh, sure [09:32] Riddell: ok.. will do [09:33] iRon: how did bullet proof X get on? (feature freeze is end of next week) [09:34] Riddell: Will try to release patch before Wed. [09:34] excellent [09:34] Riddell: we just need to add "[Module-medianotifier] \n autoload=false" in .kde4/share/config/kdedrc [09:35] good candidate for k-d-s-kde4 [09:35] smarter: it should be using ~/.kde not .kde4 [09:36] uploading amarok2 [09:36] and we don't want to stop it in a kde 3 session, only a kde 4 one [09:36] Riddell: talking about that... are we going to switch to .kde again? [09:36] hmm, how come this doesn't affect gnome? [09:36] or do it like suse and stick to .kde4? [09:37] apachelogger: mm, dunno, I had mostly expected just to keep ~/.kde4 [09:38] if we keep ~/.kde4 it will not affect kde3 session to disable kded medianotifier [09:38] smarter: kde3 kded should still be using ~/.kde [09:38] Riddell: I wrote some thougts about that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/DotKde and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard [09:38] kde probably should go .kde4 in general [09:38] because I think it sux if we have to patch kde all the time to keep it in .kde4 [09:40] Riddell: so we don't touch ~/.kde and put this in ~/.kde4 [09:41] smarter: so it'll be unused (except for starting apps with $KDEHOME set, which we don't by default) [09:41] Riddell: if I launch konsole-kde4 and type "echo $KDEHOME" I get ~/.kde4 [09:43] smarter: only because it's set in /usr/bin/konsole-kde4, I expect that will go away [09:43] * apachelogger has to adapt the propsal on that stuff [09:44] Riddell: we have everything with rpath so we can drop the scripts for most of the apps [09:44] kfmclient needs some vars from what stdin told me [09:44] also amarok, because it depends on amarokcollectionscanner [09:44] but that's probably about it [09:45] apachelogger: I'm not sure if kde 4 apps will break if $PATH isn't set [09:46] apachelogger: thanks for the .kde wiki pages, I'm mostly unsure what to do about it but I'll need to have a think about it [09:46] Riddell: I thought about propsing it for discussion in the next meeting along with the other stuff in KdeFour [09:48] apachelogger: yes we should discuss it then, although I don't know if we'd reach a consensus at a meett [09:48] meeting [09:48] probably not [09:48] I'm also not able to attend [09:48] stdin however might [09:49] and he pretty much knows ever of my thoughs :D [09:49] *thoughts [09:49] Riddell: btw, can you please have a look at the amarok2 package for the ppa? http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/tmp/amarok2/ [09:52] lets see how good my new laptop is at compiling [09:53] huh [09:54] Riddell: which one did you get? [09:54] thinkpad r61 [09:54] nice [10:18] LongPointyStick: is there anything you don't form part of? [10:23] jpatrick: New Zealand :) [10:26] apachelogger: amarok2 looking great. debian/copyright says GPL 2 but it seems to be GPL 2+ [10:28] apachelogger: I'd copy the header out of xspfplaylist.cpp since that's the most "restrictive" [10:58] Riddell: ok, thanks [11:00] apachelogger: (and note that parts are GPL 2+ or LGPL 2+) [11:01] right, we actually were wondering why we use lgpl anyway [11:11] apachelogger: /usr/share/applications/kde4-amarok.desktop doesn't mention that it's the kde4 version [11:12] woohooo [11:12] * apachelogger is wondering why [11:12] well [11:12] it's b0rked [11:13] smarter: fixed [11:13] cool [11:14] is there a good qt manpage editor? [11:14] atm I use manedit, but it's in GTK1 :( [11:18] apachelogger: your debian/rules doesn't seem to be complete [11:18] misses out | sed 's/Name=.*$$/& KDE 4/' \ [11:18] | sed 's/Exec=[a-z]*/&-kde4/' \ [11:18] Riddell: yeah, smarter just saied that ... dunno why I removed it [11:18] *shrug* [11:18] fixed [11:19] Riddell: changed copyright file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3744/ [11:25] apachelogger: I'd use the header from xspfplaylist.cpp as I say, since it's not just GPL2+ [11:25] also I'd s/version 2// from the last three paragraphs [11:25] aye [11:29] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/3746/ [11:30] apachelogger: perfect [11:31] woohoo :) [11:31] * apachelogger prepares for upload [11:32] wb Nightrose [11:33] re ;-) === Igorots is now known as Knightlust [12:40] ahh, found the other end of the split [12:41] oh I'm with Hobbsee!!!! :) [12:42] heya Jucato! [12:43] * Jucato hugs Hobbsee [12:43] * Hobbsee hugs Jucato [12:43] :) [12:44] come on services... [12:44] Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/img047.jpg [12:44] * apachelogger_ notes that amarokers shouldn't sing [12:44] hehehe the maintenance seems to have come too early? [13:35] freeflying: about? [13:37] Riddell: hi [13:38] freeflying: could you try these qt 3 packages? http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/qt-3.3.8/ [13:38] we need to update to 3.3.8 to get gpl 3, but last time you had CKJ issues with it [13:38] Riddell: sure, build for hardy or gutsy? [13:40] freeflying: these are hardy [13:43] freeflying: are you able to test in hardy? it really needs hardy I think since fontconfig has changed settings [13:55] Riddell: at first glance, it works [13:55] freeflying: yay [13:56] Riddell: when will you uplaod it? [13:56] freeflying: did you start a new KDE session? [13:56] freeflying: I'll probably try and find someone else to test it first [13:56] Riddell: yes [13:56] sounding good === TheInfinity is now known as TheImp === \sh_away is now known as \sh [15:09] freeflying: well it works for Arno too, at least as much as the current one does [15:09] freeflying: so I'll just upload and hope it works [15:31] i never rememeber but what do in eed to set my ssh key permissions wise for bazaar/launchpad? [15:44] Riddell: we should start the transition proposed on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/Apps4For3 right away [15:44] these issues drive me nuts [15:44] I can't even properly edit my debian/* -.- [15:52] <\sh> apachelogger_, use vim ;) [15:53] nah, kate got tha powa! [15:53] * apachelogger_ loves katering :P [15:53] mhh jamm food [15:54] * emonkey should go out and eat someting [16:50] hi === seelllle is now known as seele [17:18] "Its that time of the month again, please ensure that tomorrow your team [17:18] reports are added to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TeamReports/January2008" [17:18] any volunteers? [17:19] can I do it in LaTeX? [17:21] jpatrick: no, wiki [17:21] oh [17:24] <\sh> sebas, why the change to 6 months releases? [17:24] \sh: sycronize with us :) [17:25] sync > merge :P [17:25] Riddell: has kubuntu never submitted a team report before? [17:25] oh.. september [17:25] seele: jono has never bothered to send out a reminder before [17:26] which means it doesn't get done [17:26] lol [17:26] <\sh> jpatrick, well, not when I read the announcement correctly ,-) [17:26] just write... heavy development on KDE 4 transition blah blah, still a lot to be done before hardy blah blah, nontheless our packages rock blah blah, kubuntu ftw fullstop [17:28] \sh: the idea is that we have a reliable product and not a bleeding edge one [17:28] so we have 4.1.3 or something [17:28] which is of course better than 4.1.0 [17:28] though, I can patch everything :P [17:28] <\sh> apachelogger, well...july 2008 means 4 months to release of 8.10 [17:28] right so we have 4.1.4 [17:28] ultimately [17:29] I think that's quite nice timing [17:29] +1 [17:29] allows for slippage on the KDE side and means we don't get a .0 [17:29] <\sh> Riddell, when we get the same rights like the Ubuntu G variant ;) [17:29] \sh: same rights? [17:29] <\sh> like pushing 4.1.x just before release ;) [17:30] don't we do that all the time? [17:30] \sh: we're done that more than once [17:30] gutsy saw a whole new KDE uploaded after the RC [17:31] * apachelogger thinks the wiki is dying [17:31] and a major bug in Kopete in the release... [17:32] <\sh> kopete is not important ,) [17:32] lol [17:32] <\sh> psi works everytime ;) [17:32] anyone knows how to create a toc in moinmoin? [17:32] <\sh> and multiprotocol clients are evil anyways ;) kopete and pidgin needs to die very fast [17:33] <\sh> apachelogger, use header markups...it should add after the second or third headerline a toc by itself [17:33] how to use them? [17:33] * apachelogger hates not working documentation [17:34] was a -kde4 channel ever created? [17:34] * seele is looking through meeting notes [17:35] <\sh> apachelogger, == e.g. [17:35] seele: try it and see :) [17:35] \sh: doesn't do it for me [17:35] <\sh> apachelogger, which wiki? [17:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard [17:36] anyway [17:36] Riddell: yeah.. i did that right after i asked the stupid question :) [17:36] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard I made an enhancement at the bottom, explaining the need for post-migration-migrations [17:36] <\sh> apachelogger, hmmm...check https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopmen and try the anchor macro [17:39] \sh: thx, the tablestyle line did the trick [17:40] ok.. well we have *something* for the Kubuntu Team report now.. although i suspect it is incomplete [17:40] (just took stuff out of our meeting notes) [17:41] yay! someone reads them ;) [17:41] jpatrick: especially for the meetings that happen at 6 in the morning :) [17:42] seele: thanks! [17:46] afternoon :) [17:47] afternoon jjesse [17:47] thanks for the mtg notes as well i read them everytime [17:48] :) === uga|away is now known as uga [18:04] who's buying lunch? [18:05] nixternal: we thought you'd never ask... :) [18:06] hehe [18:06] I am starving [18:06] hey folks [18:07] howdy mhb [18:07] hi nixternal [18:08] was there a discussion about the wallpaper recently? [18:08] I've got so much school that I can't keep up with this channel :o( [18:08] I just seen a kubuntu-default-settings upload, so I would have to guess yes [18:08] hello nixternal [18:08] nixternal: I did, too... that's why I ask [18:09] howdy jjesse [18:12] nixternal: how are things? [18:16] busy like always [18:16] i understand, spent some time on sunday watching the football games and working on my book chpter [18:16] need to wrap that up this week [18:16] yesterday i was a a lug event all day long [18:17] way to long of a day [18:17] wow [18:19] tomorrow is going to be an insane day, school in the morning, pickup my truck, school at night [18:19] I have to take the school bus tonight to school :p [18:19] good ol' chicago transit authority [18:19] awesome ridding the short bus? [18:19] hahaha, yup [18:19] you've got some nice weather over there [18:20] its so stinkin cold here in grand rapids [18:49] Riddell: do you think we should go along with suse and stick with .kde4? [18:50] apachelogger_: it would be the simplest option (but would still need a converter on first KDE 4 run) [18:52] Riddell: well, as explained in the MigrationWizard page it doesn't matter all that much IMO, we just have to ensure that .kde gets moved to .kde3 at first KDE3 start in hardy === wolfger is now known as wolfg-r [18:57] apachelogger_: and then .kde created with files from .kde3/share/config? === wolfg-r is now known as wolf-r [18:59] Riddell: yep [18:59] Riddell: good evening, how was the release event? [19:00] mhb: all rather fun [19:00] Riddell: the wiki page pretty much explains all possible cases of migration if we go .kde for KDE 4 [19:01] Riddell: who did decide the new Kubuntu wallpaper? [19:01] mhb: me and kwwii decided that since nobody suggested one we'd just upload something and see if that helps gets suggestions :) [19:01] ^_^ [19:02] sounds good [19:02] thanks [19:03] Riddell: did you get my msg on the hardy Kubuntu ports page? [19:03] jpatrick: no, don't think so [19:04] Riddell: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ [19:04] Riddell: it says LTS [19:04] * apachelogger_ notes that this whole migration stuff is overly complex [19:04] jpatrick: oh right, mmm [19:05] Riddell: nah, it's just someone in #kubuntu, said wheter Hardy was LTS and he pointed me at that :) [19:06] apachelogger_: by Migration Wizard are you imagining a GUI tool? === wolf-r is now known as wolfger [19:08] Riddell: partly, there is some stuff we can do without a GUI, like moving .kde to .kde3 if first login is a KDE 3 login [19:09] apachelogger_: it would be better if it just did the right thing, any GUI would just confuse most users [19:09] well, I think there is only one case where the gui actually kicks in [19:09] lemme check [19:11] mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (end of next week) [19:11] end of next week? [19:11] I can try [19:11] oh, wait [19:12] I'm wrong, it's feb 15th [19:12] mhb: do you expect to have a restricted-manager port in time for feature freeze? (feb 15th?) :) [19:12] that's much more likely [19:12] Riddell: eh, is that when I need to have my compiz manager in by? [19:13] ah, nosrednaekim, was going to ask :) [19:13] nosrednaekim: it doesn't need to be finished or bug free, but it should basicly work and be in the distro by then [19:14] hmm [19:14] Riddell: I am crazy busy right now with school.... but I should have at least a roughly functional one by then [19:14] ok [19:14] nosrednaekim: great, let us know if that starts looking unlikely and we'll work out a plan [19:15] Riddell: we could use an always migrate everything solution, which probably is convenient for ~90% of our target audience [19:16] apachelogger_: foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde, copy it over [19:16] yep [19:16] * apachelogger_ reworks the current proposal [19:18] god is that complex :S [19:19] apachelogger_: plus some custom rules for things we want to copy over from .kde/share/apps/ [19:20] Riddell: I think for that we should have a gui [19:20] like, amarok2 will probably not be in hardy [19:20] so one has to use amarok1 [19:20] still one can run kde4 [19:20] so the configs of amarok would still be in .kde3 [19:21] now, when amarok2 gets included one might want to migrate the amarok1 [19:21] i.e. post-migration updates [19:21] so a first run wizard for kde4? [19:21] nah, that idea just got kicked [19:21] hmm [19:22] the post-migration would just cause the wizard tool thingy t reimport the concerned app from .kde3 [19:22] foreach file in ~/.kde3/share/config; if it doesn't exist in ~/.kde and the kde 4 app is installed, copy it over [19:23] Riddell: to be executed for every start? [19:27] apachelogger_: yes, but that still wouldn't work [19:27] since users would install amarok2 and run it before they logout/in again [19:28] yep [19:28] also [19:28] that would cause speed problems [19:28] because this whould also have to be done for share/apps [19:28] and there can be a lot of data [19:28] also we don't necessarily know which rc files go with which apps [19:28] e.g. mails, amarok album covers, amarok music collection [19:29] Riddell: we can create definition sets for this [19:29] manuall check which files belong to which app [19:29] this way we can cover at least the most important ones [19:29] we could add a postinst script to all kde 4 apps to run this [19:30] that wouldn't be especially hard and would't slow down every login [19:30] hm [19:30] hm indeed [19:30] I need to go [19:30] thanks for bringing this up [19:30] Riddell: ok, we'll talk later :) [19:31] +1 for postinst, great idea [19:31] package installs should stay the hell out of ~ :( [19:33] some kde4 packs say break [19:33] hoooray [19:33] wesley_: which ones [19:34] * Tm_T has perfect build (almost) [19:34] selckin: you'd rather have an insane migration script go all over your files at every login :P [19:34] eyesapplet that i wanted to install ( got the whole kde4 desktop already ) there where more also local i believe [19:34] apachelogger_: if it means you don't eat my data yes. [19:35] hm [19:35] right [19:35] we need to do backups [19:35] very important [19:35] i'd plain stop using kubuntu if thats acceptable to you guys tbh [19:35] wesley_: I don't get the issue [19:37] now my kde4 desktop is in englisch for half but i got dutch translation installed and german and some apps have german now so i wanted to try to reinstall dutch [19:37] selckin: wanna threaten me? :-P [19:37] apachelogger_: no [19:37] wesley_: nice, do you use kdm-kde4? [19:37] selckin: there is no other good solution [19:37] apachelogger_: why can't kde3 keep using .kde3, and kde4 .kde4, and have a simple import kde3 type thing option? [19:38] we have to do a one-time copy/move for .kde -> .kde3 [19:38] yes i use kdm-kde4 [19:38] err kde3 .kde [19:39] selckin: because not all apps are ported at ones, so KDE would face exactly the issue we are having, how to keep the configs up-to-date in both pockets [19:39] wesley_: switch back to kdm [19:39] kdm-kde4 is having serious issues [19:39] how ? [19:39] just uninstall kdm-kde4, that should popup a dialog so you can switch back to kdm [19:39] or [19:39] you run sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm [19:39] in that case you wouldn't have to uninstall kdm-kde4 [19:40] in any case notting should be allowed to touch home dirs imo, at least not that invasively [19:40] thanks what problems did it cause then ? [19:41] wesley_: broken translations, broken umlauts/accents, broken init script, well pretty much everything prefixed with broken ;-) [19:42] yay, plasma taskbar with multiple lines \o/ http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/01/while-cats-away.html [19:42] ows did,tn know it had that big effect [19:43] selckin: that's very hypocritical IMHO, we wouldn't do anything else than KDE would do with a migration system [19:44] smarter: w00t [19:45] hm [19:46] I think postinst is the most reliable solution [19:46] though I'm a bit worried about the speed [19:47] because if it has to copy amarok covers and collection for say 5 users with a considerable big collection, it's gonna take some time [19:47] same for mails [19:47] hm [19:47] I really don't think mails should be in .kde [19:47] its way too dangerous and a bad design IMO [19:47] is kde4.1 a major or minor release? [19:47] minor [19:48] nosrednaekim: well, they are right now, and we have to put them there for the akonadi import [19:48] hm [19:48] apachelogger are you also on the kde4 devel? [19:48] unless you symlink them like I do... [19:49] maybe we can just make postinst delegate the wizard the actions [19:49] i would't even have enough free space for a copy :) [19:50] so it stores the config-definiton-set-amarok file in /foo/bar, and writes a config to /etc/kubuntu-wizard so the wizard will process config-defintion-set-amarok on login and then write it into the user config, so it doesn't do it again [19:50] though that might also cause speed issues with a lot of package updates [19:51] *think* [19:52] ah, it's all very unhealthy :P [19:52] my brain might explode [19:52] bad thing to happen at this point [19:52] * apachelogger_ takes the stress ball for a walk [20:17] OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset [20:20] OpenGL Shaders not supported how do i get that supported i have a intel chipset [20:21] !repeat > wesley_ [20:21] when will see amarok 2 in repo? [20:21] amarok2 packages are broken :/ [20:22] they're in the ppa [20:22] apachelogger_: ping [20:22] broken or ok? [20:22] wesley_: use Xrender [20:22] broken. [20:22] ccc [20:22] i ment not to repeat was just that i needed to reboot [20:23] where do i find xrender [20:24] !support > wesley_ [20:24] wesley_: under advanced options [20:24] smarter: broken? [20:24] hum works now [20:24] pfft [20:25] apachelogger_: seem to be related to your test version [20:25] sure, blame the test version :P [20:25] nosrednaekim: kde3 or kde4 systemsettings? [20:26] there was no -phonon package so the two packages had same files [20:26] wesley_: in the desktop effects settings... in any case, please take this to #kubuntu-kde4 [20:26] going to see how long it takes to crash this one :P [20:28] there's no icon for amarok2 in the menu [20:28] lol [20:28] Riddell: would you like a pre-release of the compizconfig app ? [20:31] amarok2 have icon here and ok [20:32] lol for this warning [20:32] :) [20:32] "kbuildsycoca4(23344) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry MimeType in "kde4/krita_ora.desktop" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailingsemicolon)." << is that a kubuntu bug or krita bug? [20:44] Riddell: where is the kubuntu group picture from the release party? [20:44] Riddell: i havent seen anyone post it yet === \sh is now known as \sh_away [20:54] smarter: a 'bug' in desktop file, so krita [21:01] Riddell: there is a fan page for ubuntu on facebook now - I think we should have one forkubuntu as well [21:04] there's no kde4 wrapper script for krandrtray [21:04] Nightrose: was that a typo? [21:04] so the krandrtray KDE4 entry in menu doesn't work [21:04] nosrednaekim: ? [21:04] Nightrose: "forkubuntu" [21:04] XD [21:04] hehe yea - for kubuntu [21:04] ;-) [21:09] very weird [21:09] I closed and krandrtray-kde4 [21:09] and my computer crashed... [21:09] even magic sysrq keys didn't work [21:09] s/closed and/closed/ [21:11] nosrednaekim: you should put it into svn [21:12] mm, not svn, put it into bzr [21:12] seele: no, I havn't seen it, the woman one neither [21:13] smarter: already have a local fix for krandrtray [21:15] apachelogger_: are you talking about the "lack of wrapper script" issue or the "crash everything and kill your dog" issue? ;) [21:16] Riddell: will do.... [21:21] Riddell: should I just register a new project on launchpad? [21:22] nosrednaekim: didn't mhb have his stuff in a project? [21:22] if not, then sure [21:23] smarter: wrapper [21:46] ryanakca: you like that little mockup? I was bored yesterday so I started playing around in Inkscape [21:58] nixternal: yes, I do... interesting concept... it could be the main page / first page, and then we'd have to have a theme for the drupal site that follows [21:59] yup [21:59] if we don't use it, there was a guy at the lug event yesterday who would be interested in having a similar concept done for him, so I win no matter what :) [21:59] nixternal: put it up on the mockups page... its all we have from what I can see (w.k.o/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups has been loading all day, so I can't) [21:59] roger [22:00] :) [22:00] * ryanakca goes to change the batteries in his mouse [22:02] I first read "in his house" [22:02] "ooh, battery powered house, how convenient" [22:02] hehe [22:02] rofl [22:03] we had to configure a LinkedIn account today for our business class and the professor said that it is a great utility when used....so I have already bugged 90% of the community I think :p [22:03]