[00:00] <cn28h> lovely, no worries -- is this an ext3 partition?
[00:00] <lovely> cn28h: mount: can't find sdb1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[00:01] <cn28h> lovely, yeah, that's not the correct syntax -- which fs does it use?
[00:01] <lovely> cn28h: if I didnt remove them, how would they be missing?.... yes
[00:01] <yao_ziyuan> seriously,
[00:01] <lovely> cn28h: fs?
[00:01] <cn28h> lovely, ok you first need to make a mount point
[00:01] <cn28h> lovely, fs = filesystem
[00:01] <yao_ziyuan> kbuntu should remake itself as ubuntu+kubuntu-desktop
[00:01] <cn28h> lovely, mkdir /media/temp ; mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/temp
[00:01] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu should not do everything over again, like chinese input support
[00:02] <yao_ziyuan> let ubuntu take care of them
[00:02] <cn28h> lovely, as root, then cd to /media/temp and see if you can see stuff there
[00:02] <lovely> cn28h: I went for the faster linux format, I believe it is the ext-3
[00:02] <trond> !compiz
[00:02] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[00:02] <cn28h> lovely, well, try taht then, if not it'll just list an error saying you were wrong and it wasn't ext3 and you can try another
[00:03] <Dragnslcr> yao_ziyuan- that's exactly what Kubuntu already is
[00:03] <lovely> cn28h: done, it seems to be ext-3
[00:03] <yao_ziyuan> no. if i install kubuntu freshly, i don't automatically get chinese display and input
[00:03] <cn28h> lovely, are you able to see your files?
[00:04] <lovely> cn28h: no such file or Dir
[00:04] <Dragnslcr> yao_ziyuan- probably because Gnome and KDE are responsible for it themselves
[00:04] <lovely> cn28h: http://rafb.net/p/1IvdYq35.html
[00:04] <cn28h> lovely, no "to" there, just cd /media/temp ; ls
[00:04] <yao_ziyuan> Dragnslcr: there are some things not specific to gnome or kde that ubuntu automatically sets up well
[00:05] <yao_ziyuan> like chinese fonts
[00:05] <yao_ziyuan> kubuntu's chinese fonts suck
[00:05] <yao_ziyuan> can't use them
[00:05] <lovely> cn28h: DOH
[00:05] <Dragnslcr> yao_ziyuan- then that's an issue with KDE
[00:05] <yao_ziyuan> so i have to install ubuntu first, then kubuntu-desktop
[00:05] <lovely> cn28h: got them
[00:06] <cn28h> lovely, so now the question is why doesn't it automount -- ps aux | grep /usr/sbin/hald
[00:06] <yao_ziyuan> Dragnslcr: maybe...
[00:06] <cn28h> (to see if hald is running)
[00:06] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in?
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> cn28h: I just got here. Is lovely having problems automounting an external ntfs hdd?
[00:07] <yao_ziyuan> lol. i don't hate ubuntu's shitty-yellow interface so much now...
[00:07] <lovely> cn28h: http://rafb.net/p/2rND7x78.html
[00:07] <yao_ziyuan> still will try to find better gnome themes online
[00:07] <cn28h> Odd-rationale, ext3, but otherwise yes -- he can mount it, i just doesn't auto mount, so I'm having him investigate HAL now
[00:08] <yao_ziyuan> i also tried fedora 8 + kde yesterday. fedora 8's kde doesn't come with the Polyester theme by default
[00:08] <ardchoille> !language | yao_ziyuan
[00:08] <ubotu> yao_ziyuan: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[00:08] <Odd-rationale> cn28h: OK. Well, I have problems automounting ntfs. But I can mount from the cli, so no big deal. Just wondering whether it was the same issue...
[00:08] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in?
[00:08] <lovely> cn28h: actually it started with my digital camera not conecting, and has moved on
[00:08] <cn28h> lovely, hm, seems to be running.. /etc/init.d/hald restart, then unmount, unplug, plug back in
[00:08] <yao_ziyuan> and fedora's repository server is slow ass
[00:08] <yao_ziyuan> o
[00:08] <cn28h> Odd-rationale, it may be a HAL thing
[00:08] <yao_ziyuan> i thought #pclinuxos is the only family friendly channel :)
[00:08] <lovely> cn28h: -su: /etc/init.d/hald: No such file or directory
[00:09] <cn28h> sorry, /etc/init.d/hal restart
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> cn28h: I searched the forums. Serveral reports of the same issue. No definite solution yet. Probably hardy will fix it.
[00:09] <cn28h> hm
[00:09]  * yao_ziyuan sings to: "where family-unfriendliness is... that's the place for me... where i'm me in my own space, where i'm free that's the place... i wanna be! ..."
[00:11] <lovely> cn28h: It is odd, on trying one time to fix the camera prob, I reinstalled and it worked untill I reinserted my saved settings
[00:11] <cn28h> hm
[00:12] <cn28h> well, afaik auto mount of that sort is done by HAL, so it is most likely an issue with your HAL configuration
[00:12] <cn28h> (you might ask in #hal)
[00:12] <lovely> cn28h: so, unmount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /media/tem?
[00:12] <cn28h> no
[00:13] <cn28h> umount /media/temp
[00:13] <yao_ziyuan> it's always better to have both
[00:13] <cn28h> and you'll have to cd out of the dir first
[00:13] <cn28h> otherwise you'll get that it's in use
[00:13] <mantan> I'm using gutsy and it just told me to version upgrade to gutsy, what is the meaning of this?
[00:13] <lovely> cn28h: umount: /media/temp: device is busy
[00:13] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in?
[00:13] <mantan> I just installed fyi
[00:13] <cn28h> lovely, see previous lines
[00:14] <lovely> cn28h: ahh
[00:14] <yao_ziyuan> #ubuntu has 1258 ppl...
[00:14] <yao_ziyuan> very insane...
[00:14] <Strangelet> eh, less than a fraction of them are actually active
[00:16] <lovely> cn28h: http://rafb.net/p/5zHa6b10.html
[00:16] <Odd-rationale> yao_ziyuan: I'm one of them :)
[00:16] <mint2> mantan - me too
[00:16] <yao_ziyuan> Odd-rationale: i decide to keep both channels
[00:16] <mantan> mint2 did you get a failed adept update as well?
[00:17] <lovely> cd /
[00:17] <sledge> hello everyone. :-)
[00:17] <lovely> cd //
[00:17] <mint2> yes
[00:17] <lovely> oops
[00:17] <cn28h> lovely, because it's not mounted -- see df -h to check mounts (or run mount with no parameters)
[00:17] <mint2> mantan - same here
[00:17] <sledge> I got a problem with my SATA drives.
[00:17] <mint2> mantan - so i  did sudo apt-get update
[00:17] <mint2> adept seems to be going funny
[00:18] <FaiDillinGer> hi there
[00:18] <sledge> Specifically, I have two machines. Dmesg on both machines shows the partitions, but on one machine, only the generic device (sda, sdb) show up, not the partition nodes (sda1, sdb1).
[00:18] <lovely> cn28h: http://rafb.net/p/eOAEv499.html
[00:18] <FaiDillinGer> should i install the wine version thats in the repos ? or is it outdated ?
[00:18] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in?
[00:18] <sledge> Anybody seen this before?
[00:19] <biovore> FaiDillinGer: you can get the latest wine from winehq
[00:19] <BluesKaj> sledge, dmesg | grep hd ?
[00:19] <cn28h> lovely, right, notice how /dev/sdb1 isn't in the list -- now that you've restarted hal, unplug the device and plug it back in, see what happens.  If nothing, you might have to go ask in #hal (because I'm not hal guru)
[00:19] <FaiDillinGer> ok biovore
[00:19] <mantan> mint2 I just tried doing the apt get and it told me i need to manually run dpkg. did you get this too
[00:19] <sledge> BluesKaj: let me paste that
[00:19] <mint2> yeah
[00:20] <mint2> do as it says
[00:20] <lovely> cn28h: am unplugging and replugging again
[00:21] <lovely> cn28h: same
[00:21] <sledge> BluesKaj: let me paste that
[00:21] <sledge> BluesKaj: http://rafb.net/p/VMXkWA25.html
[00:22] <sledge> BluesKaj: There are no partition device nodes in /dev:
[00:22] <sledge> servesledge:~$ ls -al /dev/sd*
[00:22] <sledge> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8,  0 2008-01-20 17:34 /dev/sda
[00:22] <sledge> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 16 2008-01-20 17:34 /dev/sdb
[00:22] <cn28h> lovely, try asking in #hal
[00:23] <lovely> cn28h: thanks for trying, off I go
[00:23] <cn28h> np
[00:23] <sledge> Now, I must mention that the other machine is the server edition, not desktop.
[00:24] <jimmygoon> Help! I activated kwin compositing (since compiz has worked fine and kde4 with my existing 7.10 install had worked)
[00:25] <jimmygoon> anyway, it doesn't now and I can't see anything when I log in, where do i change the setting back from bash
[00:25] <g2g591> jimmygoon: #kubuntu-kde4
[00:25] <jimmygoon> thanks g2g591
[00:26] <Odd-rationale> Does konversation have emoticons?
[00:28] <jimmygoon> g2g591: do you know how? I can't look. I'm stuck w/ irssi
[00:28] <mantan> how do I set up 2 monitors on gutsy? I can't find anywhere in the monitor & display to do so
[00:28] <Dragnslcr> Odd-rationale- for the love of all that is sacred, I hope not
[00:29] <g2g591> jimmygoon: try /join kubuntu-kde4
[00:29] <Odd-rationale> Dragnslcr: Just wondering...
[00:31] <jimmygoon> g2g591: I did, but there are 30 (inactive) people there. thanks. I will lynx and look
[00:31] <g2g591> jimmygoon: oh. i wish i knew how to fix for you
[00:32] <JustMe> Mantan: check here http://www.ubuntugeek.com/dual-monitors-with-nvidia.html
[00:32] <jimmygoon> g2g591: thats kewl. thanks
[00:33] <Dr_willis> once you install the nvidia driver and tools. theres a nvidia config tool that enables the moniotrs
[00:33] <jimmygoon> g2g591: I found a config file and set compositing:false so I may have fixed it
[00:34] <sledge> BluesKaj: The partitions _do_ show up inf cfdisk, but not in /sys.
[00:35] <mantan> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[00:35] <mantan> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[00:36] <mantan> it gave me that when I tried the first line that tutorial gives you
[00:36] <ouellettesr> hello, I just installed kubuntu, and after I rebooted, it starts up and the screen is all messed up. There are lines going from the botton of the screen to the top. And kind of left to right
[00:36] <NickPresta> !aptfix | mantan
[00:36] <ubotu> mantan: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[00:39] <ouellettesr> anyone know how to fix my problem?
[00:40] <Dr_willis> ouellettesr,  what video card?
[00:42] <mantan> it's not identifying the comman gedit
[00:42] <Dr_willis> kubuntu diosent have gedit.. use some other editor.
[00:42] <Dr_willis> or install gedit
[00:42] <Dr_willis> !editor
[00:42] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[00:42] <g2g591> mantan: kate is the kubuntu version of gedit
[00:44] <ouellettesr> Dr_willis: I have an aopen mp945-d, it has a Intel 945GM Express chipset and the video is integrated
[00:50] <ouellettesr> hello?
[00:53] <ouellettesr> can anyone help me?
[00:54]  * g2g591 heres an echo in the distance
[00:54]  * g2g591 doesn't know how to fix soundcard stuff
[00:54] <cn28h> ouellettesr, does changing your resolution make a difference?
[00:55] <ouellettesr> cn28h. how do I do that?
[00:57] <cn28h> onesandzeros, K->System settings->Monitor/Display
[00:57] <cn28h> er
[00:58] <cn28h> ouellettesr, rather
[00:58] <ouellettesr> I couldn't even login to do that
[00:58] <ouellettesr> but I fixed it
[00:58] <cn28h> how?
[00:58] <ouellettesr> kubuntu installed using wrong driver
[00:58] <cn28h> tweaked xorg.conf?
[00:58] <ouellettesr> it was set to intel, I changed it to i810
[00:58] <cn28h> i810 is an intel driver
[00:59] <ouellettesr> I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[00:59] <cn28h> but, it works
[00:59] <ouellettesr> right, but it was preset to intel, not sure why
[00:59] <cn28h> that's that important thing ;P
[00:59] <ouellettesr> yep
[01:00] <cn28h> man, the kernel takes a lot longer to compile than I remembered
[01:00] <cn28h> granted, it's been ~5 years since I did this regularly
[01:00] <cn28h> and it was on the same hardware, haha
[01:00] <ouellettesr> I haven't compiled a kernel in a very long time
[01:00] <NickPresta> Any idea why `fglrxinfo -display :0` would return info about Mesa drivers when I have fglrx in my xorg.conf with the drivers installed (and restricted-manager tells me they are in use)?
[01:00] <ouellettesr> well ever since using ubuntu
[01:02] <cn28h> yeah, when I was new to linux I thought building the kernel was so cool ;P
[01:02] <cn28h> I used to check kernel.org all the time looking for new releases
[01:03] <cn28h> of course I was also using slackware, so you know I had to love compiling things
[01:03] <cn28h> after a few years that got old, though
[01:04] <cn28h> any of you guys play with encfs yet?
[01:05] <hdevalence> how would I fix "undefined reference to `Blitz::blur(QImage&, int)'"?
[01:06] <flake> hdevalence - should you ask that in a blitz irc or forum?  The answer is though, that you are not linking to the library when you should
[01:07] <hdevalence> flake: I'd kinda figured out the part about not linking to the library, but I can't figure out why it's unable to
[01:07] <oldmanstan> i hosed my wireless, when i originally install kubuntu there was this nice popup in the sys tray that would show detected networks, now it's gone, any ideas?
[01:08] <oldmanstan> now the icon just gives me settings and stuff
[01:09] <flake> don't know how blitz ide is put together, prob best to ask in their forum
[01:11] <ouellettesr> is there a package like build essentials for kubuntu?
[01:11] <ardchoille> ouellettesr: There is build-essential
[01:11] <ardchoille> !info build-essential
[01:11] <ubotu> build-essential (source: build-essential): informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[01:12] <ouellettesr> ahh I was putting an "s" at the end of it
[01:12] <blizzzek> gn8
[01:12] <ouellettesr> thanks ardchoille
[01:12] <ardchoille> yw :)
[01:12] <cn28h> oldmanstan, which wireless card do you have?
[01:13] <ouellettesr> hm I can't seem to run ./autogen.sh is there a package that I need to do that?
[01:14] <oldmanstan> cn28h: atheros, but it's not a hardware thing, the applet just disappeared
[01:14] <ouellettesr> aclocal, autoreconf, automake, libtoolize are all  not found.
[01:14] <cn28h> ouellettesr, what error do you get?
[01:14] <cn28h> olddude67, maybe it was knetworkmanager?
[01:14] <ouellettesr> that all those files I just listed above are not found
[01:14] <cn28h> er, oldmanstan
[01:14] <ouellettesr> oh
[01:14] <cn28h> ouellettesr, there's not a ./configure script already?
[01:15] <oldmanstan> cn28h: yeah, knetworkmanager is still there, but only has manual configuration as an option, no wireless networks listed
[01:15] <cn28h> hm, odd
[01:15] <cef> oldmanstan: left click instead of right?
[01:15] <cn28h> not sure -- I just use wpa_supplicant
[01:16] <oldmanstan> cef: left click shows connection status but the only tab available now is "device" whereas before the others were active
[01:16] <ouellettesr> cn28h: getting automake took care of it
[01:17] <cef> oldmanstan: hrmm.. did you use manual settings for anything in there like the lan?
[01:17] <oldmanstan> i didn't have but my sister was screwing with my computer (which is what caused this), she was trying to get on a wireless network, couldn't do it, and the next time i used the machine it was like this
[01:18] <cef> hrmmmm
[01:18] <cef> might've set up the wireless adapter for a static address or something
[01:18] <oldmanstan> the right click menu used to list all the detected wireless networks, now only "manual configuration" and some other settings stuff
[01:18] <cef> go into manual configuration and check I guess
[01:19] <oldmanstan> ugh
[01:19] <oldmanstan> it shouldn't be this easy to break it imho
[01:20] <cef> it's probably not broken. it might even be disabled
[01:20] <oldmanstan> says it's enabled
[01:20] <oldmanstan> ath0 and eth0 are both enabled
[01:20] <cef> hardware switch is on?
[01:21] <cef> (I know I've done that before)
[01:21] <jimmygoon> Is there a kde equiv of gksu?
[01:21] <oldmanstan> hehe, yeah, hardware switch is one, although it wasn't the first time i tried fixing this
[01:22] <cef> oldmanstan: better safe than sorry. :D
[01:22] <cn28h> jimmygoon, kdesu
[01:22] <oldmanstan> i just don't get it, the default wireless manager thing is actually knetworkmanager right?
[01:23] <cef> oldmanstan: is the network settings for ath0 set to "DHCP" and "Automatic" (if no radio buttons are selected, that's automatic)
[01:23] <oldmanstan> radio button for automatic is checked and set to dhcp
[01:23] <cef> it assumes if you set it to anything manual, you'll take care of it
[01:24] <oldmanstan> it's set to automatic
[01:24] <limac> hey, how can i change my screen resolution?
[01:24] <cef> you could try editing /etc/network/interfaces and remove the stanza's for ath0, which will (afaik) set it back to defaults.
[01:25] <cef> ahh, what's in the options sub-menu?
[01:25] <oldmanstan> wouldn't that just make it disappear?
[01:26] <cef> no, if there is no entry, knetworkmanager just takes over for it. .. not a great fan of that behaviour
[01:26] <limac> how can I change my screen resolution???
[01:27] <oldmanstan> hmmm
[01:27] <hydrogen> limac: run krandrtray
[01:27] <hydrogen> and check down in the system tray
[01:27] <limac> how?
[01:27] <ouellettesr> ctrl+alt+ = or - limac
[01:27] <ouellettesr> sorry + or -
[01:27] <limac> what?
[01:28] <ouellettesr> control plus alt plus + plus or minus
[01:28] <cn28h> limac, K->System settings->Monitor/Display
[01:28] <cef> oldmanstan: checked the options item in the right click on knetworkmanager?
[01:28] <limac> and then?
[01:28] <ouellettesr> :)
[01:28] <limac> cn28h: then what
[01:28] <cn28h> pick the one you want, hit apply
[01:28] <oldmanstan> cef: one second, rebooting
[01:29] <The_N3rd> Mkay, I have a problem, and googling brings up no usefull results.
[01:29] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in?
[01:29] <cn28h> Strangelet, if accessing the backups directly is not important, you might just stick them in a tarball -- I assume you're trying to copy to a fs that doesn't support those characters?
[01:29] <limac> after hitting apply it is giving me this dialog box saying Keep or Cancel (cancel in 15 seconds automatically). then do I have to restart my computer
[01:29] <limac> ?cn ^
[01:29] <limac> cn28h: ^^
[01:30] <cef> oldmanstan: cos under there you have options to enable/disable wireless, offline/online mode, and a "configure" menu
[01:30] <biovore> you can put the filename in quote " " or escape the weird chars with a \
[01:30] <cn28h> limac, hit keep if you like it and no, you don't have to restart
[01:30] <oldmanstan> cef: you're a genius! getting rid of all the entries in interfaces did the trick
[01:30] <cn28h> limac, this isn't windows :)
[01:30] <limac> cn28h: If I hit Keep nothing is happening
[01:30] <The_N3rd> When I go "sudo sshfs user@machine:/media /media/remote"  It changes the directory into what looks like a link.
[01:30] <Strangelet> limac: Hm, sounds good. Well, the file system is NTFS.
[01:30] <cef> oldmanstan: you didn't get rid of ALL of them, did you? you left the "lo" interface?
[01:30] <cn28h> limac, which resolutoin did you select?
[01:30] <oldmanstan> cef: before i was in online mode and also the wireless was enabled
[01:31] <oldmanstan> cef: yeah, i sorta know what i'm doing with that, just had no idea knetworkmanager behaved like it does
[01:31] <oldmanstan> :)
[01:31] <limac> cn28h: 1152 X 864
[01:31] <cef> oldmanstan: it's called "networkmanager is crap"
[01:31] <cn28h> limac, and when you click apply nothing happens?
[01:31] <cef> oldmanstan: nice idea.. needs a bit of work
[01:31] <limac> cn28h: no
[01:31] <The_N3rd> This also happens to me when i resume from a hibernate: it turns the directory into a a symlink...but not a symlink
[01:31] <oldmanstan> cef: yeah, seriously, setting something manually shouldn't mean you have to set it manually forever and ever hehe
[01:32] <ardchoille> !pm | warpig
[01:32] <ubotu> warpig: Please ask your questions in the channel so that other people can also benefit AND help you. Please don't PM a user in the channel without asking first, some find it rude.
[01:32] <oldmanstan> cef: thanks a bunch though!
[01:32] <tzanger> anyone here seeing any weird double-sleep problems with 7.10 that weren't around on 7.04?  sleep works fine, but resume automatically sleeps again, then a second resume works great
[01:32] <cef> oldmanstan: that might be a kdeism though, cos networkmanger under gnome has a "let networkmanager take care of this interface" or something tickbox which does this afaik
[01:34] <oldmanstan> cef: seems smart
[01:36] <warpig> ardchoille this is Ziv
[01:36] <Strangelet> I am trying to backup my music into an external HD, the only problem is that some songs and folder names have umlauts in them. How can I set it I may put those files/folders in? (besides compressing them into a tarball
[01:37] <limac> why can't I change my resolution
[01:37] <cn28h> Strangelet, if you want to put them on a filesystem that doesn't support those characters you need to rename them (or you can create a filesystem that does support them)
[01:38] <Strangelet> cn28h: Hm, but it is NTFS, well, anyways, how do I reformat it?
[01:38] <cn28h> Strangelet, hm, odd that ntfs would support them.. I had assumed FAT32.  What error do you get when you try it?
[01:39] <Strangelet> cn28h: Hold on, replicating past actions
[01:40] <Strangelet> cn28h: Could not make folder /media/---/---/---/einsturzende neubauten (umlaut over the 'u' in Eintsturzende)
[01:40] <Strangelet> cn28h: I know it is the umlaut because when I excluded that folder, it could not copy over another folder which also had an umlaut in the folder name
[01:41] <cn28h> right, hm
[01:42] <Strangelet> cn28h: So how exactly do I reformat my external HD?
[01:43] <cn28h> well, imo that's a crappy solution, but if you want to make it say, ext3, first thing to do is to repartition (cfdisk /dev/sd?) and make it a Linux type partition, then use mkfs.ext3 /dev/sd?? (where ?? is appropriate partition)
[01:44] <vzduch> Strangelet: umlaut problems w/ NTFS or FAT32 -> charset problem
[01:44] <vzduch> dunno how to fix this other than renaming the affected files
[01:44] <Strangelet> ohh
[01:44] <cn28h> right
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> I was about to say, wouldn't it be easier to just rename the files
[01:44] <Strangelet> yah, but I am nitpicky that way
[01:45] <cn28h> I already suggested this earlier btw ;P
[01:45] <vzduch> for this exact reason I try to avoid umlauts in file names
[01:46] <vzduch> not much of a problem other than aesthetics
[01:46] <cn28h> you could always put them inside a filesystem that's stored in a file, too
[01:46] <cn28h> if you'd prefer not to reformat the whole drive
[01:47] <Strangelet> hm, well, I was already thinking of reformatting it
[01:47] <Strangelet> It is annoyingly divided into two sections
[01:47] <Strangelet> 40gb each
[01:47] <Strangelet> a single 80gb paritition would be nice
[01:48] <vzduch> transcription conventions: for German -> ä = ae, ö = oe, ü = ue, ß = ss; for Danish/Norwegian/Swedish/Icelandic: å = aa, æ = ae, ä = a, ö = o; for Finnish/Estonian: äöü = aou
[01:49] <Strangelet> vzduch: hmm, I could do that
[01:49] <Strangelet> :)
[01:49] <tzanger> has anyone here seen odd double-sleep/resume issues on 7.10 that weren't in 7.04?  it resumes after a sleep, but then goes back to sleep.  resume again and it's fine
[01:50] <FaiDillinGer> time for me to go to sleep
[01:53] <craftigac19> hola
[01:53] <NickPresta> !es | craftigac19
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[01:54] <snarkster> can anyone tell me a linux equivilant to windows zero config
[01:54] <Tm_T> upnp
[01:55] <Tm_T> =
[01:55] <snarkster> upnp equals windows zero config
[01:55] <Tm_T> no idea, you never explained what this zero config should be
[01:56] <snarkster> i thought it was avanhu
[01:56] <snarkster> avahi sorry
[01:56] <Tm_T> could be
[01:56] <Tm_T> as I said...
[01:56] <cn28h> aight, new kernel time, bbs (hopefully)
[01:57] <snarkster> I just asked a question. :)
[01:57] <Tm_T> snarkster: yes, but I have no idea what exactly you are asking ;)
[01:57] <vzduch> darn, SUSE's zypper is f***ing slow..
[01:57] <snarkster> i dont either to be honest.
[01:57] <snarkster> supposed to be some sort of automatic network finding thing.
[02:15] <Lewix> hi
[02:15] <Lewix> im trying to share files
[02:15] <Lewix> with computers using the same connection
[02:15] <Lewix> what are the steps i should follow
[02:16] <Dr_willis> what os's are they running, and what sort of stuff are you shareing?
[02:16] <Lewix> I tried to install samba..then I got lost & they told me they don't support ubuntu
[02:16] <Lewix> Dr_willis, I just want to send a movie to a windows computer
[02:16] <Lewix> in my network
[02:16] <Dr_willis> Samba is so well documented. :)
[02:17] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  just the one time? or you want to access stuff on both machines from now on?
[02:17] <Lewix> Dr_willis, so the thing is that I tried to share it via the web, but I cannot access it from the web for some foreign reasons
[02:17] <Lewix> Dr_willis, just the on etime
[02:17] <Dr_willis> share via the web? That makes no sence to me.
[02:18] <Lewix> Dr_willis, ..share a directory on the web?
[02:18] <Dr_willis> easy way would be to install sshd on the ubuntu box, and winscp on the windows machine, ssh in, copy file over to windows machine.
[02:18] <Dr_willis> Samba has 'shares'  - Thats not not really related to the 'web' :) there is that web interface i think in kde/gnome to share stuff - but ive never used it.
[02:18] <Lewix> Dr_willis, ok how do I install it on the ubuntu box and how do I copy it on the windows
[02:18] <Dr_willis> !find sshd
[02:19] <hdevalence> I think Samba is the best choice here...
[02:19] <ubotu> File sshd found in apparmor-profiles, gradm, logwatch, openssh-server
[02:19] <Lewix> Dr_willis, that's what I tried but it didn't work...it only workd from my computer
[02:19] <Lewix> im lost
[02:19] <Dr_willis> openssh-server - secure shell server, an rshd replacement
[02:20] <surgy> hi
[02:20] <Dr_willis> Install openssh-server on the linux box. go down load winscp on the windows box.  use winscp to connect to the linux box. copy files over.
[02:20] <Dr_willis> of course if you re  behind firewalls and other stuff.. that may make it a little harder.
[02:20] <hdevalence> I think Samba is the better option
[02:20] <Dr_willis> unless hes doing it over the internet...
[02:21] <Dr_willis> im still vague on some of the details to his setup.
[02:21] <hdevalence> it's on a LAN, right?
[02:21] <Dr_willis> No idea. :)
[02:21] <Dr_willis> ssh and winscp are too handy for me to not setup on my machines.
[02:22] <Lewix> ok let's say I just want to give access to the directory via the net (propreties-->sharing)
[02:22] <Dr_willis> if you have  'share' set up on the windows box. You can use konqueror to browse to the share. and copy the file to it. from the linux machine.. thats another way- IF on the same lan
[02:22] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  you are refering to a share ont eh windows machine?
[02:22] <surgy> !kde4
[02:22] <Lewix> yes
[02:22] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[02:22] <Lewix> I am
[02:22] <Dr_willis> 'sharing' with samba - is Totally diffrent approach then using the ssh/winscp.
[02:23] <Lewix> Dr_willis, im really lost here, you're sayin gstiff like I know how to install them...I'm really new with all this
[02:23] <Dr_willis> the konwueror file browser  should be able to see the varioyus windows machines and shares
[02:23] <Lewix> stuff*
[02:23] <hdevalence> Lewix:" open konq and put 'smb:/' in the bar
[02:24] <Dr_willis> hdevalence,  yea. :) i can  never rember if its smb:// or smb:/ or others. :) i was checking that.
[02:24] <Lewix> hdevalence, enable to find a workgroup this might be cause by your workgroup
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Lewix,   the default file manager for kde can do most of this stuff allready. Once ya learn how.
[02:24] <Dr_willis> whats the name of your windows workgroup on the windows machine?
[02:25] <Lewix> zanne
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Mine for example is called 'mshome'    so i tell konqueror --> smb://mshome/
[02:25] <Lewix> there's 3 different computers so 3 workgroups
[02:25] <Lewix> but my computer is not on the list
[02:25] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. You dont need 3 workgroups for 3 computers.
[02:26] <Lewix> Dr_willis, oh its mshome
[02:26] <Lewix> sorry
[02:26] <Dr_willis> can the other windows machines access that other one?
[02:26] <surgy> Dr_willis: ive been running the same install of kubuntu for about 9 months now, and i think its time for some maintenance, i can notice that its starting to slow down a bit, any suggestions as to where i should start looking, and what i should start looking at as far as maintenance?
[02:26] <Lewix> Dr_willis, could not connect to
[02:27] <Lewix> Dr_willis, yes they can
[02:27] <Dr_willis> surgy,  ive never noticed any slowdowns. :)  ubuntu/linux dosent collect the cruft that ms stuff does.
[02:27] <surgy> Lewix: is the samba service running?
[02:27] <Lewix> could not connect to host
[02:27] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  you got the same username/password on the linux box as on the windows machines?
[02:27] <Lewix> smb://MSHOME/
[02:27] <surgy> Dr_willis: agreed, but i have noticed probably a 20% slow down of my system over the last few weeks
[02:27] <Lewix> Dr_willis, no
[02:28] <Dr_willis> theres 2 'ways' to approach the samba thing.. access windows from linux, or access the linux  shares (make them) from windows.
[02:28] <Dr_willis> we are trying the first with the smb://mshome/ stuff.
[02:28] <Lewix> ok
[02:28] <Dr_willis> It should ask for a user/password.. odd.
[02:29] <Lewix> Dr_willis, i don't even know if I have samba installed
[02:29] <surgy> Lewix: sudo apt-get install samba
[02:29] <Lewix> yes It wasn't installed
[02:30] <Lewix> now it is..shall i try it over
[02:30] <surgy> lewix make sure the service is running too
[02:30] <Lewix> no change
[02:30] <surgy> just type samba into the console
[02:30] <Lewix> the same think happen
[02:30] <Lewix> command no found
[02:31] <surgy> try smb
[02:31] <Lewix> command no found
[02:31] <surgy> i know there is a command that starts the server initially
[02:31] <Dr_willis> One dosent need samba installed to access the windows machines with   smb:// :)
[02:31] <Dr_willis> if he just installed samba, then the samba server should of started automaticially
[02:31] <surgy> but in order for the windows machine to access the linux machine.....
[02:32] <Dr_willis> so we are trying it from the OTHER direction now? :)
[02:32] <Dr_willis> to enable samba shares on the linux box. He needs to install samba, then enable the user with a samba password 'sudo smbpasswd -a USERNAME'    I cheat and always use the same username/password as the windows box.
[02:33] <surgy> lewix go to system settings and then sharing, and then file sharing
[02:33] <surgy> go to administrative mode
[02:33] <surgy> add the file you wish to share and click on advanced, and then click on the samba button
[02:34] <surgy> and then apply and click ok
[02:34] <jimmygoon> How do I make it so that apps like firefox and xchat use something other than the default awful gtk2 theme
[02:34] <surgy> and then look on the windows machine, it should now show up in the network browser as a shared folder from your linux machine
[02:35] <Dr_willis> Theres some gtk-theme-kde package that makes them look pretty much as kde apps. but i forget its name. Theres a check box under the kde settings to enable it also.
[02:35] <Dr_willis> but im not on kde at the moment - so i cant check
[02:36] <jimmygoon> Dr_willis: that and its probably different in 4 go figure :P thanks for the recommendation
[02:36] <Dr_willis> for kde4 - good luck.
[02:36] <Dr_willis> Its proberly not even a feature yet.
[02:36] <Tm_T> KDE 4 <3
[02:36] <Lewix> surgy, dont see it
[02:36] <Tm_T> Dr_willis: depends
[02:36] <surgy> Dr_willis: can you recomend a good widget side bar for kde3?
[02:36] <arcticpenguin380> is kde4 stable
[02:36] <Tm_T> arcticpenguin380: sure
[02:36] <surgy> Lewix: be more specific, you dont see what where?
[02:36] <The_N3rd> Hey, any thoughts on remote burning?  As in burning discs on a remote computer's drive?
[02:36] <Lewix> surgy, dont see it in the windows machine
[02:37] <Lewix> the shared folder
[02:37] <jimmygoon> now the question is... its installled but how does one make it use gtk-qt-engine ?
[02:37] <surgy> Lewix: did you make sure your sharing in advanced mode?
[02:38] <Lewix> surgy, now it is
[02:38] <surgy> ok now apply
[02:39] <Lewix> surgy, I did but I still dont see it
[02:39] <surgy> and make sure the folder you wish to share is in the list at the bottom
[02:41] <linos2> anyone know if a kdevelop channel exists?
[02:41] <Lewix> surgy, nope...its not working
[02:41] <surgy> Lewix: your missing something, go read about it, i just did it while i was telling you how to do it, and mine works
[02:42] <surgy> how do i add a panel to the top of my desktop and then add widgets to it?
[02:43] <Dr_willis> samba can be a annoyance to enable the first time.
[02:43] <ardchoille> surgy: in kde4?>
[02:44] <surgy> no in kde3
[02:44] <Dr_willis> add a new panel, start adding stuff.. :)
[02:44] <surgy> ok
[02:44] <ardchoille> surgy: right click the panel and choose "add new panel"
[02:44] <Lewix> i give up
[02:44] <Lewix> thanks for the help
[02:44] <surgy> i see it now, i just right click the main pannel
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  thats why i suggested the ssh/winscp at the start
[02:44] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  you could enable samba manually, not using the gui also
[02:45] <Lewix> Dr_willis, ok go ahead..how would i do it
[02:45] <Dr_willis> which part? ssh or samba? :)
[02:45] <Lewix> samba
[02:45] <Lewix> i have already installed it
[02:45] <mot_> easy.
[02:45] <mot_> cd /etc/samba
[02:45] <Dr_willis> lets see. do a 'sudo smbpasswd -a YOURUSERNAME'
[02:46] <mot_> nano smb.conf
[02:46] <mot_> scroll to the bottom
[02:46] <Dr_willis> to make a smb password for that user. Then you need to edit the smb.conf .
[02:46] <Dr_willis> like mot is saying
[02:46] <mot_> now, go to the bottom of smb.conf
[02:46] <surgy> i cant configure my panels seperatly? like i cant make the top one transparent?
[02:46] <mot_> put [sharename] (what do you want your share name to be?)
[02:47] <killermach__> anyone have a wireless cellular PC card working w/ kubuntu? or any links on info about this?
[02:47]  * tidiman07 laughs
[02:47] <Dr_willis> I always just uncomment the Homes shares in the smb.conf file.
[02:48] <mot_> http://pastebin.com/m5fae8300
[02:48] <mot_> yea, you can do that, too.
[02:48] <mot_> that works as well
[02:48] <mot_> check that pastebin, that is a default share template
[02:48] <Jabapyth> how do i access a locked file?
[02:49] <Jabapyth> *folder
[02:51] <angasule> kdesktop crashed and didn't come back, running kdesktop in a console crashes, help? :)
[02:51] <craftigac19> hola alguien habla espa;ol
[02:51] <Lewix> mot, unable to write to file
[02:52] <Lewix> with kedit
[02:53] <Dr_willis> its a system wide config - you must use kdesu  kedit /path/to/the/file
[02:54] <Lewix> thanks
[02:54] <Lewix> ok whats next
[02:55] <angasule> !es | craftigac19
[02:55] <ubotu> craftigac19: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[02:56] <Lewix> Dr_willis, modestymaster_
[02:56] <Lewix> mot,
[02:56] <thomas_newbie__> Hi. I am needing a little guidance to the right direction on what language whatever to use with my Apache server pages. I want people to be able to connect to my webpage. Create an account by entering their Username and Password and then submit. Then for them to be able to login. How do I go about this?
[02:57] <Lewix> lol
[02:57] <Dr_willis> http://pastebin.com/ma6a2c3d  -- is my example smb.conf file - with the home shares enabled.
[02:57] <Dr_willis> You just need to uncomment a few lines. (remove the ; at the front)
[02:57] <Jabapyth> thomas_newbie__: you can use cgi or php for that, and youll definitely need html
[02:58] <Lewix> Dr_willis, i just have to copy/paste yours then
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Jabapyth: what kinda of locked folder? does sudo work?
[02:58] <thomas_newbie__> Jabapyth: what about asp?
[02:58] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  thats one way. :)
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> thomas_newbie__: thats for microsoft web-server...
[02:58] <Dr_willis> assuming i dident mess  it up on this clean install. :P
[02:59] <Lewix> Dr_willis, ok done..whats next
[02:59] <Dr_willis> You can restart the samba service. then see if the windows machines can see the Liniux box now.. you DID give the linux user a samba password?
[03:00] <Lewix> Dr_willis, yes i did
[03:00] <Lewix> how do i restart the service
[03:00] <Dr_willis> windows machines 'should' be able to see the machine now. May not need to restart it.
[03:00] <Dr_willis> go to the windows box and check out its network neighborhood
[03:00] <thomas_newbie__> nosrednaekim: yea. I heard apache can use it too? Would ASP VBSCRIPT be better or PHP?
[03:00] <Lewix> Dr_willis, nope
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> thomas_newbie__: PHP is better
[03:01] <biovore> php > ASP
[03:01] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  could do a ---> sudo /etc/init.d/samba restart
[03:01] <thomas_newbie__> asp=VBSCRIPT ?
[03:01] <sts9> can you have a kde-devel account with svn KDE 4 alongside  KDE 4 kubuntu packages for the other user.  I was building KDE 4 until it was released. Id like to continue to use the svn KDE 4 for the kde-devel user and just use the KDE 4 packages for my other user.  does that work?
[03:01] <thomas_newbie__> MORE OR LESS
[03:01] <Dr_willis> that will restart samba. Some times windows can take some time to see the new shares/machines
[03:02] <thomas_newbie__> nosrednaekim: why is my School teaching me ASP instead of PHP :D
[03:02] <Lewix> Dr_willis, ok waiting
[03:02] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: because the have microsoft in the butt :-P
[03:03] <Dr_willis> doh - I think i needed to make      browseable = no    be    browseable = yes  :)
[03:03] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: so apache servers never really use ASP normally?
[03:03] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: only on windows really..
[03:03] <biovore> you can get that stuff to work on linux.. but it is a major pain.. and it's slow
[03:04] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: what webservers run windows these days...AWwww I have a course teaching Server 2003.....SIGH
[03:04] <biovore> 90% of the server market is linux/unix systems
[03:04] <Lewix> Dr_willis, not showing
[03:04] <biovore> heck.. hotmail was running bsd untill a few years ago..
[03:04] <sts9> thomas_newbie__: because microsoft has a billion dollar marketing team to trick schools into teaching thier stuff.
[03:05] <thomas_newbie__> sts9: haha evil bastards
[03:05] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  You could enter the name like //yourlinuxmachinename/yourusername  on the windows box also.
[03:05] <Dr_willis> Now ya know why i suggested doing the ssh/winscp copying since you just wanted a single file. :)
[03:05] <sts9> thomas_newbie__: and if your teachers really knew what the real world uses, they wouldnt be teachers. theyd be making $$$ in the server business.
[03:06] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: so lets say I wanted to use my Linux machine with APache to create a page to have a forum type thing with users can create accounts and using forms and post stuff, I would need to use HTML + PHP ???
[03:06] <sts9> thomas_newbie__: thats why they are teachers and not programmers / network admins
[03:06] <biovore> yeah.. unix admins that are anygood. have jobs
[03:07] <thomas_newbie__> sts9: well I do have a Linux teacher
[03:07] <Lewix> Dr_willis, still not working
[03:08] <Lewix> i give up..thank you Dr_willis
[03:08] <Lewix> if the ssh/winscp takes a long time...forget it
[03:08] <console_jockey> I've just installed kubuntu gutsy and have used aptitude to install firefox and kubuntu-restricted-extras.  For some reason I still don't appear to have flash working.  Suggestions?
[03:08] <biovore> !flash
[03:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:08] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[03:09] <Lewix> Dr_willis, how about the thing I was talking about from the beginning...sharing a folder on the web (properties-->sharing)..I set it up to be the port 8001 but it seems to only work on my computer
[03:10] <jhutchins> Lewix: Can you, for a moment, consider the potential I have to hack your system if you give me access to one folder?
[03:11] <jhutchins> I mean, what if I edit ../../windows/sys32/registry?
[03:11] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: am i right?
[03:11] <jhutchins> I can let myself have full control of your system.
[03:11] <biovore> right about what?
[03:11] <Lewix> jhutchins, i dont use windows
[03:12] <Lewix> and it does not matter for me
[03:12] <Lewix> I just want to send this damn file
[03:12] <jhutchins> Lewix: Even worse.  I know where /etc/passwd is.
[03:12] <Lewix> jhutchins, good
[03:12] <jhutchins> scp.
[03:12] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  i dont use that feature. No idea on it. Thats just a nother way of enabling the samba shares as far as i know.,
[03:12] <jhutchins> fish
[03:12] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: the apache thing yes..  you can do it with perl/python/c/php/asp    all these programs do is crate a html file to send to the user based on variables passed to it..
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  ive been saying ssh/winscp now for ages. :)
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Its highly possible its the windows firewall blocking things.
[03:13] <Lewix> Dr_willis, and i told you to go aheadd if it's not a long procedure
[03:13] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: all the forms and active content websites work that way..
[03:13] <Lewix> biovore, how
[03:13] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  i told it to you allready. :) install the open-ssh server on linux, install winscp on windows.. run winscp connect to linux box.
[03:14] <Lewix> how?
[03:14] <Lewix> apt-get?
[03:14] <Dr_willis> !ssh
[03:14] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:14] <Lewix> how on windows?
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Install the ssh server with whatever tool you like.
[03:14] <Dr_willis> !find ssh
[03:14] <ubotu> Found: aolserver4-nssha1, autossh, clusterssh, crosshurd, dpsyco-ssh (and 28 others)
[03:14] <Dr_willis> Grr. whats its name
[03:14] <Dr_willis> !find openssh
[03:14] <ubotu> Found: openssh-client, openssh-server
[03:14] <ardchoille> open-sshd ?
[03:14] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: I'm reading an article saying that PHP has more security Vulnerabilties than the new ASP.NET
[03:14] <Dr_willis> sudo apt-get install openssh-client openssh-server
[03:14] <ardchoille> ah, openssh-server
[03:15] <Dr_willis> http://winscp.net/eng/index.php    for winscp
[03:15] <jhutchins> Lewix: 76.116.56.180
[03:16] <Lewix> Dr_willis, then
[03:16] <Lewix> Dr_willis, do you just mean a ssh client?
[03:16] <Lewix> then what do i do
[03:16] <jhutchins> Comcast, so most of your usefull ports are blocked...
[03:17] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  winscp is a ssh client for windows
[03:17] <anonymous5929> Hey, I'm sort of new to kde and was wondering if any one knows if there is a way to make dolphin (the new one for kde4 in particular) respect the single-click/double-click settings?
[03:17] <jhutchins> anonymous5929: Yeah, it's configurable, but delphin is optional, not standard.
[03:17] <Lewix> Dr_willis, then i use my ip?
[03:17] <Lewix> to connect
[03:18] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  ugh.. of course.. :) using any other ip.. wont do much good will it..
[03:18] <Dr_willis> :P
[03:18] <Dr_willis> or you may be able to use the linux box's hostname. perhaps not.. ip is best
[03:18] <console_jockey> try man ssh
[03:18] <jhutchins> Lewix: Be patient, I will have control of your system in a moment and will be able to show you.
[03:18] <Dr_willis> :)
[03:19] <Lewix> jhutchins, ok...and yoou'll teach me how
[03:19] <Dr_willis> Im still not sure why smb:// wasent able to see the windows machines.
[03:19] <Lewix> give me a username and a password
[03:19] <Lewix> jhutchins,
[03:19] <jhutchins> Lewix: well, yes, if I actualy manage it.  You figured out this OS community stuff, didn't you?
[03:20] <Lewix> jhutchins, is it your wireless router
[03:20] <anonymous5929> jhuthins, where can you configure it? I've been looking all day lol... the "mouse" settings in the "system settings" didn't help
[03:20] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. wireless... i ve seen windows do some serious bliocking of wireless networks befor.
[03:21] <console_jockey> quick question: what is the chief difference between using apt-get and aptitude when installing from cli vis vie apt-get install vs. aptitude insall
[03:21] <sts9> How do I remove KDE 4? now in kde3, kontact and such tries to open the kde 4 programs (ie: konqueror 4) and crashes
[03:22] <jhutchins> All 1697 scanned ports on c-76-116-56-180.hsd1.nj.comcast.net (76.116.56.180) are filtered
[03:22] <Dr_willis> sts9,  fire up the package manager, search for kde4, start removing?
[03:22] <sts9> removing kde4libs wants to take out my whole system
[03:22] <sts9> no
[03:22] <Dr_willis> I removed it all on my other machine last week that way
[03:22] <jhutchins> looks good on ya'.
[03:23] <jhutchins> Sorry, I'm still on 3.5.8.
[03:23] <Lewix> Dr_willis, it won't connect..i gave the ip
[03:23] <Lewix> my username and password but nada
[03:23] <jhutchins> anonymous5929: Sorry, I'm still on 3.5.8.
[03:24] <anonymous5929> oh ok, np. thanks though :) I'll keep looking
[03:24] <jhutchins> late here, retiring.
[03:24] <Lewix> lol
[03:26] <Lewix> case close I guess
[03:26] <Lewix> i tried everything
[03:26] <Lewix> but apache
[03:27] <Dr_willis> see if your linux box can connect locally with 'ssh localhost'
[03:27] <Dr_willis> its sounding more and more like the windows box is blocking a lot of things
[03:29] <Dr_willis> be right back.,
[03:29] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: thats weird I don't have LAMP in the Adept Manager
[03:30] <Lewix> Dr_willis, yes its working
[03:30] <Dr_willis> what part. :P
[03:31] <Dr_willis> weve only tried 5 things
[03:32] <fajro> hi
[03:33] <pierreth> hi
[03:33] <fajro> How can I rearrange the icons in the KDE4?
[03:34] <fajro> KDE it's so Gnome! :'-(
[03:34] <pierreth> I don't know, you should ask the KDE room
[03:34] <Lewix> Dr_willis, huh the ssh localhost
[03:35] <Lewix> maybe i shouldnt put the username and password
[03:35] <Lewix> whats sftp by the way
[03:35] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  sftp is a way to transfer files with ssh. if winscp cant connect to the linux box.. You may want to check the ssh logs. Its possible the wndows box is blocking all sorts of things.
[03:36] <Dr_willis> you could tyr just Pinging the linux box from the windows machine.
[03:36] <Lewix> not working
[03:37] <snarkster> later guys
[03:39] <Lewix> Dr_willis, when i ping it ..i have 100% loss
[03:42] <Lewix> ok
[03:42] <Lewix> i think the best solution was apache
[03:42] <Lewix> which nobody elaborated
[03:43] <Lewix> thank you all for your help..there is days like that
[03:43] <Lewix> nothing works
[03:52] <Dr_willis> Lewix,  if you cant even ping the linux box.. then its being totally blocked. I dont see how apache is going to do much of anything.
[04:13]  * Dr_willis looks around.. its quiet... tooo quiet...
[04:14]  * Dr_willis checks to make sure he dident accidently ignore the whole channel again.
[04:14] <Alonea> Dr_willis: *poke*
[04:14] <uten> lol
[04:14] <uten> wha gwaan
[04:15]  * Dr_willis hits the ceiling!
[04:15] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:19]  * unix_infidel is quiet b/c he is jobless :-P
[04:20] <unix_infidel> applying for jobs takes priority over irc :-)
[04:20] <uten> oh boy
[04:21] <Dr_willis> repeate after me 'would you like fries with that?'
[04:21] <Dr_willis> repeate after me 'would you like to ubersize that glutton bucket sir?'
[04:21] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: nah, that's the slogan of old.
[04:22] <Dr_willis> repeate after me 'would you like extra frape with that moca-latte-de-facto-spasamato?'
[04:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:22] <unix_infidel> the new paradigm is, would you like extra caramel with your nonfat, half cream, mocha frappe, carmel...
[04:22] <unix_infidel> shucks!
[04:22] <unix_infidel> beat me to it :-)
[04:22] <Dr_willis> :P
[04:23] <Dr_willis> My wife was going to try to get a Job at starbucks.. then relized.. she couldent read good enouhg to do the drinks.
[04:23] <Dr_willis> I just have coffee in my french press coffee pot.
[04:23] <PeterPan^> I dont remeber a distros name. Its 'something qemu' . used for virtualisation. running two os at a time. i cant remeber. i think its qaude qemu or something like that. any body has any clues? that is faster than simple qemu
[04:24] <Dr_willis> Try that disrtowatch web site.
[04:24] <Dr_willis> ive never heard of a disrto that just ran qemu.
[04:24]  * Dr_willis wonders how it could be faster...
[04:27] <mkquist> hey all will k3b convert mp3 to cda automatically?
[04:28] <Dr_willis> I think with the right plugins it will
[04:28] <Dr_willis> I think i saw that mentioned on the Kubuntu faq pages.. but its been a while
[04:29] <jonathan_> hello
[04:31] <Dr_willis> !find k3b
[04:31] <ubotu> Found: k3b, k3b-i18n, libk3b-dev, libk3b2, libk3b2-mp3
[04:31] <Dr_willis> Howdy
[04:31] <Dr_willis> mkquist,  i think that         libk3b2-mp3   is what you need.
[04:32] <unix_infidel> there's a distro that runs on qemu.
[04:32] <unix_infidel> it's called dsl.
[04:32] <unix_infidel> a 50mb distro that runs on any platform running a prebuilt / ready to go customized qemu.
[04:33] <warpig> what's qemu?
[04:33] <unix_infidel> google it.
[04:34] <Dr_willis> lots of disrtos can run on qemu :)
[04:34] <uten> unix_infidel: lol
[04:34] <Dr_willis> dsl can run on real machines also. :)
[04:34] <unix_infidel> Dr_willis: right, but this is a specially distributed version of dsl meant to run on qemu.
[04:35] <unix_infidel> its like 60mb or something, small enough to run on your usb drive so you can run linux inside windows anywhere.
[04:35] <Dr_willis> puppylinux may have a tweaked version also.
[04:35] <mkquist> Dr_willis: does that burn as mp3 or CDA if you happen to know?  Already installed it, but curious, or i'll just try a cd...
[04:36] <Dr_willis> burning as a mp3? would be just copying the data file to the cd..
[04:36] <Dr_willis> so i dont see the point of that. :) I think it converts mp3 to the right cd audio format to make an audio cd
[04:36] <biovore> mkquist: k3b can takes ogg and mp3 files and make a CDA cd..  basicly all it does is convert the mp3/ogg file into a wav file then burns it..
[04:36] <mkquist> Dr_willis: so you think it's converting to something else?  cause thats kinda what i thought
[04:36] <Dr_willis> It has to convert to the proper wav format befor making  the audio cd
[04:37] <mkquist> biovore: ty, that answers it
[04:37] <biovore> mkquist: but it may not like mp3's with out all the mp3 decoder stuff..
[04:39] <PeterPan_> I dont remeber a distros name. Its 'something qemu' . used for virtualisation. running two os at a time. i cant remeber. i think its qaude qemu or something like that. any body has any clues? that is faster than simple qemu
[04:39] <mkquist> hmmm.... don't thinks it converting anythinh, thinks its just gonna burn it.... went to burn awful fast for any conversion... =/
[04:42] <biovore> mkquist: yeah.. there's 2 modes..  make sure its doing cda and not a data disk..
[04:44] <biovore> mkquist: I think you can make a playlist in amarok and then select Playlist | Burn to CD  I think that works too.. (I havn't tried it though)
[04:46] <thomas_newbie__> Help me lol I can't stop my Apache Webserver
[04:47] <thomas_newbie__> I know it's sudo /etc/init.d/apach2 stop....THAT DONT WORK
[04:47] <mkquist> nm.. lol works just fine by using k3b as new audio cd.. thanx all
[04:47] <thomas_newbie__> *apache
[04:48] <Michael133> got a question. I have dual monitors and I'm running Ubuntu 7.03 x86, (MSI) nVidia NX7100GS Video card, I installed the driver from the "Restricted Drivers Manager" and I see no controls allowing me to adjust settings for multiple monitors....
[04:48] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: ps ax | grep apache
[04:48] <biovore> then kill manualy
[04:51] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: ok for some reason after installing php and mysql, apache instead of apache2 has took over... Starting apache2 doesn't work anymore lol...only apache
[04:54] <biovore> no clue
[04:54] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: should I use apache or apache2?
[04:54] <biovore> I use apache2
[04:54] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: apache 1.3 that is
[04:55] <biovore> alll my webservers run 6.06 though..
[04:56] <PeterPan_> I dont remeber a distros name. Its 'something qemu' . used for virtualisation. running two os at a time. i cant remeber. i think its qaude qemu or something like that. any body has any clues? that is faster than simple qemu
[04:56] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: 6.06?
[04:56] <biovore> qemu is a emulate..
[04:56] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: ubuntu 6.06 server edition..  LTS
[04:57] <bmk789> KDM is randomly restarting, what should i look for in what log?
[04:58] <PeterPan_> what is kqemu
[04:59] <Dr_willis> !info kqemu
[04:59] <ubotu> Package kqemu does not exist in gutsy
[04:59] <Dr_willis> I was thinking  it was some tweaked thing for qemu. :P
[05:00] <bmk789> what would cause KDM to crash or restart?
[05:00] <biovore> X being bad
[05:00] <Dr_willis> bmk789,  - x drivers
[05:00] <biovore> or you login into kde and kde dies..
[05:00] <Dr_willis> bad X. no cookie.
[05:00] <bmk789> Dr_willis: no errors in Xorg.0.log
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Ive had ATI drivers let me login, then crash once in kde.
[05:03] <thomas_newbie__> does anyone know how to change fromo apache 1.3 to apache2 if you have both installed?
[05:03] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: could try uninstalling 1 and purging the package..
[05:03] <soyyo> did anybody try KDE 4.0? I had installed it, but I can't setup the look & fell... it's really ugly! I mean, the taskbar and the icons are too big...
[05:04] <biovore> sudo apt-get remove apache
[05:04] <burner> is there a way to get a "search" bar like firefox has in konq 4?
[05:04] <biovore> sudo dpkg --purge apache
[05:04] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: whats purge do?
[05:04] <burner> biovore: sudo apt-get remove --purge apache works too
[05:04] <biovore> burner: the URL bar works that way..  type in GG:<google search> and press enter
[05:04] <burner> biovore: but that sucks ;)
[05:05] <burner> and i don't think gg worked in kde 4's konq for me
[05:05] <biovore> might not be setup.. it's all configurable..
[05:05]  * burner shrugs and just uses firefox in it's ugliness in kde4
[05:05] <burner> its even
[05:05] <thomas_newbie__> what does purge do?
[05:05] <biovore> well kde4 is still in development really..  lots of bugs
[05:06] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: removes all the configurations and stuff the package put on the system..
[05:06] <biovore> removing the package just removes the binaries
[05:06] <thomas_newbie__> aw ok
[05:07] <soyyo> I thought that 4.0 was finished...
[05:08] <biovore> they just got it to a point that it dosn't crash all the time..  inital release.. by no means ready for prime times.. probably won't be ready for another 6 months or so..
[05:08] <adf> hi
[05:08] <adf> I've met some trouble trying for ages to isntall flash video player
[05:08] <adf> for firefox
[05:08] <biovore> !flash
[05:08] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:08] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:09] <soyyo> I see, thanks biovore
[05:09] <adf> whats a dapper and edgy backport
[05:10] <adf> thanks for the answer
[05:10] <biovore> adf: the simplest way at this time is to grab the tarball for flash linux from abobe's site and put the .so file in it to ~/.mozila/plugins/
[05:10] <biovore> adf: dapper is ubuntu 6.06
[05:10] <biovore> adf: edgy is the version after dapper
[05:10] <biovore> !dapper
[05:10] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) was the fourth release of Ubuntu. See !lts for more details.
[05:10] <biovore> !lts
[05:10] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[05:10] <biovore> lts is what you run on a server
[05:11] <adf> oh ok
[05:11] <adf> um
[05:11] <biovore> a backport means its something from the newest version of ubuntu that someone ported back to an older version..
[05:11] <adf> where can I find the location u stated
[05:11] <adf> ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:11] <biovore> adf: its on adobe's site somewhere..
[05:12] <adf> how canI reach  that place
[05:12] <biovore> ~ <-- short for your home directory..
[05:12] <biovore> open a terminal and type  cd ~
[05:12] <adf> u said to get the tar.gz file ?
[05:12] <biovore> yup..
[05:12] <biovore> you on 32bit or 64bit?
[05:12] <adf> so I need to go into konsole to do all this
[05:12] <biovore> I ussualy do..
[05:13] <biovore> .mozila is a hidden directory..
[05:13] <adf> i386, is that 32 bit?
[05:13] <biovore> yup
[05:13] <biovore> shouldn't have problems really.. once you get the .so file in the tar archive into ~/.mozila/plugins/
[05:14] <adf>  um bio
[05:14] <adf> I typed it
[05:14] <adf> and in konsole it says command not found
[05:14] <biovore> "cd ~"
[05:14] <adf> I typed cd ~
[05:14] <biovore> hmm doing something wrong then..
[05:15] <biovore> ~ should be /home/<username>/
[05:16] <adf> I tried before going into Adept and seraching for a flash player for mozilla there, but no effect
[05:17] <adf> hey bio how do I archive the so. file?
[05:17] <biovore> ?
[05:17] <biovore> !flash
[05:17] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:17] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:17] <biovore> ^ its all in there somewhere
[05:18] <adf> u said to archive the .so file to mozilla/plugins
[05:18] <biovore> the tar.gz file is a archive.. like a zipfile
[05:18] <adf> yeah
[05:18] <adf> but once u double click on the tar file u download
[05:18] <adf> u can see the .so file
[05:18] <biovore> in the archive there should be a installer thing and .so file
[05:18] <adf> what do I do with that?
[05:19] <adf> yeah I'm at that page right now
[05:19] <biovore> copy the .so file to /home/<username>/.mozila/plugins/  (I think)
[05:20] <adf> is kubuntu kind of like windows in terms of finding folders and copying and pasting?
[05:20] <genii> adf: Somewhat. ctrl-c and ctrl-v work for instance
[05:20] <biovore> I think konqueror will work that same way
[05:21] <adf> how do I find home/<username>/.mozila/plugins/
[05:21] <biovore> in the url bar type it
[05:21] <adf> oh ok in firefox
[05:21] <biovore> no
[05:21] <adf> then in what
[05:21] <biovore> konqueror
[05:21] <adf> konquere?
[05:21] <sigma_1234> mozilla has 2 l's
[05:21] <biovore> firefox isn't a filemanager
[05:22] <biovore> yeah.. mozilla dose have 2 l's in it..
[05:22] <adf> whats the link I type in konquerer again pls?
[05:23] <sigma_1234> is adobe reader programmed in qt?
[05:23] <genii> Something like ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:23] <biovore> sigma_1234: not sure..
[05:23] <biovore> sigma_1234: does look that way..
[05:23] <biovore> sigma_1234: I think kpdf is better then adobe's thing
[05:24] <sigma_1234> i know skype is. i hate gtk apps. think the only one im forced to use is the gimp
[05:24] <thomas_newbie__> yea I can't startup apache2
[05:24] <nixternal> adobe products are qt (some if not most now)
[05:24] <nixternal> so is nero
[05:25] <biovore> xilinx ISE is QT2
[05:25] <soyyo> well, I had some troubles with kpdf trying to render some math papers... but adobe acrobat did that fine
[05:25] <adf> sry I'm really stuck
[05:25] <adf> can u explains what I am meant to do with the tar file again?
[05:26] <adf> like tell me how to find and copy and paste whatever
[05:26] <nixternal> adf: a tar file is the same as a zip file
[05:26] <burner> adf: double-click it so it opens with ark
[05:26] <adf> yeah it did
[05:26] <sigma_1234> biovore: i like kpdf. but it doesnt let you fill data into a form in a pdf. i need it to complete my tax return. only acrobat 8.1 supports that
[05:26] <genii> Actually I think plugins go in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/        and extensions go in somewhere like ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/extensions
[05:26] <Dr_willis> !info unp
[05:26] <ubotu> unp (source: unp): unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.12 (gutsy), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB
[05:26] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:26] <Dr_willis> unp foobar.tar.gz
[05:26] <biovore> sigma_1234: yeah forms are adobe only thing..
[05:27] <burner> ooh, unp is neat
[05:27] <biovore> you can scrible on pdf's in kpdf but I don't think that works for that application..
[05:27] <adf> ok
[05:27] <hydrogen> nixternal: well, to be technical, a tar file is simply an archive, where a zip is a compressed archive
[05:27] <adf> so after I open it with ark I.............
[05:27] <biovore> tar -- tape archive..
[05:27] <nixternal> ya, forgot the .gz or .bz2 on that
[05:27] <biovore> the gz/bz2 is the compression
[05:28] <adf> anyone??!
[05:28] <burner> adf: what did you download?
[05:28] <burner> adf: and what are you hoping to accomplish?
[05:28] <adf> the tar.gz from adobes site
[05:28] <adf> to install flash player in firefox in kubuntu
[05:28] <burner> for flash?
[05:28] <adf> yes !
[05:28] <adf> flash
[05:28] <adf> flash player
[05:28] <burner> put libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:28] <adf> i.e. youtube videos
[05:28] <Dr_willis> the !flash info has links to updated testing deb packages that work.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> ive been using them on several systems
[05:29] <Dr_willis> !flash
[05:29] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[05:29] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[05:29] <Dr_willis> the 2nd bot factoid has some links
[05:30] <sigma_1234> yeah i think our tax guys extract the values directly. but one sad this is that i cant use it with konqueror properly. it opens up the webform pdf but wont let me enter data into it. only firefox lets me enter data into the forms
[05:30] <adf> so the first link is useless? and the 2nd factoid says there is a broken thing...?
[05:30] <burner> shitty about flash, i hate binary, proprietary folk that change their stuff on a whim
[05:30] <adf> wtf
[05:30] <Dr_willis> read the info.. :)  but the link to find in the thread is a bit hidden.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:30] <burner> adf: just put it in ~/.mozilla/plugins and restart your browser and bask in teh flashy goodness
[05:30] <Dr_willis> is what ive been using..
[05:31] <adf> on the 2nd link u gave me it refers to bugs with the player
[05:31] <adf> but
[05:31] <Dr_willis> HOWEVER - I think flash in konqueror is still broken.
[05:31] <burner>  /usr/share/mozilla/plugins for system wide instead of just for that user
[05:31] <adf> I dont even have the flash player anywhere installed!
[05:31] <biovore> Dr_willis: works here most of the time.. crashes every one and then though..
[05:31] <burner> adf: doesn't matter... just use that .so file in the plugins folder and your'e good to go
[05:32] <adf> thats the question I asked minutes ago with no answers so far...
[05:32] <adf> what exactly do I do with the so. fike?
[05:32] <adf> file*
[05:32] <sigma_1234> Dr_willis: doesnt konq use the firefox flash plugin?
[05:32] <soyyo> adf: just copy it and paste it into ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:32] <Dr_willis> wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:32] <Dr_willis> sudo dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:32] <biovore> adf: you put it put libflashplayer.so in ~/.mozilla/plugins
[05:33] <adf> I know
[05:33] <Dr_willis> is one way > :) biovore 's is another way.
[05:33] <adf> I was told that before
[05:33] <adf> but how do I even find ~/.mozilla/plugins?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> sigma_1234,  supposiubly. but theres some odd issues going on with konq. i hear.
[05:33] <Dr_willis> adf,  thats in your users home dir.
[05:33] <biovore> ~ is you home directory..
[05:33] <adf> so am I meant to replace ~ with something?
[05:33] <biovore> ~ = /home/<your username>/
[05:33] <biovore> you can
[05:33] <biovore> is short hand
[05:33] <biovore> for you home directory
[05:33] <Dr_willis> bash basics... try 'cd /'
[05:34] <Dr_willis> then 'cd ~'
[05:34] <Dr_willis> that will take you home.
[05:34] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:34] <soyyo> adf: start dolphin
[05:34] <sigma_1234> hopefully they will be fixed in kde 4.1
[05:34] <ardchoille> cd alone will take you home :)
[05:34] <adf> really confused about the above instructions...
[05:34] <adf> what does you can mean?
[05:35] <adf> like am I meant to replace it
[05:35] <adf> or do I leave ~ as is
[05:35] <sigma_1234> what is the linux alternative to cd.. in msdos?
[05:35] <ardchoille> adf: ~ = /home/<user name>
[05:35] <genii> ardchoille: Bet me to it :)
[05:35] <genii> *beat
[05:36]  * genii sips his coffee
[05:36] <biovore> sigma_1234: is cd in dos as well :-P
[05:36] <burner> adf: if you type ~ it works as well as typing /home/<username> as ardchoille suggests
[05:36] <biovore> so copy it to /home/username/.mozilla/plugins/
[05:37] <genii> biovore:  Actually I think plugins go in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/        and extensions go in somewhere like ~/.mozilla/firefox/*.default/extensions
[05:37] <surgy> is there a way i can share a single program with a single set of everything acrossed two accounts, for two completely different users?
[05:38] <surgy> i want to share cedega with all of its installed games with another user, without having to install all the games twice
[05:38] <soyyo> adf: you have to copy the libflashplayer.so file into the /.mozilla/plugins directory -whitch is placed in your home directory- in order to firefox be able to plat flash
[05:38] <genii> sigma_1234: sma but with space between cd and ..
[05:38] <genii> sigma_1234: Same but with space between cd and ..
[05:38] <genii> damn typos tonight
[05:39] <sigma_1234> biovore: no i meant how do i cd.. (exit current directory) in linux? i tried it and it said invalid command
[05:39] <biovore> yeah cd<space>~
[05:39] <biovore> cd is a program.. followed by a space and arguments
[05:39] <surgy> anyone wanna take a stab at my problem?
[05:39] <sigma_1234> genii: thanks. il try that
[05:40] <ethan961> "cd .."
[05:40] <cn28h> sigma_1234, cd .., you need the space (unlike in dos).  You also can't do stuff like cd... you have to cd ../..
[05:40] <sigma_1234> !ask
[05:40] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[05:40] <adf> in the future, please give specific instructions, for example you told me to go to ~ etc where I didnt know what ~ is meant to be so I just wrote ~ and it doesnt work
[05:40] <adf> I am very noob and linux
[05:40] <cn28h> ~ expands to your home directory
[05:40] <cn28h> echo ~
[05:40] <adf> sry
[05:40] <soyyo> surgy: may be installing it into a public place, like /tmp?
[05:40] <ardchoille> adf: This should work:  cd ~
[05:41] <surgy> soyyo, umm no that wont help
[05:41] <adf> but I am getting very annoyed by my inability here
[05:41] <sigma_1234> adf: lol give us a break. not like we get paid to provide support
[05:41] <adf> yeah I know
[05:41] <adf> sry
[05:41] <Dr_willis> surgy,  use links, ln -s
[05:41] <adf> but yeah
[05:41] <adf> thanks
[05:41] <adf> I am grately
[05:41] <adf> grateful
[05:41] <biovore> http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/ <-- crash course on linux
[05:41] <cn28h> brb, new kernel time
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Spending an Hr. reading some Bash basics will pay you BIG time adf
[05:42] <biovore> tldp -- The Linux Documentation Project
[05:42] <ardchoille> !terminal | adf You should also read this info when you have a chance
[05:42] <ubotu> adf You should also read this info when you have a chance: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[05:42] <soyyo> adf: could you open the tar file in ark?
[05:43] <surgy> Dr_willis: ok what i want to do is let another user on another account play a game that is onn my account on my username, but it requires a specific command to a specific folder that only this user may access, how whould i link that? btw the command is, "cedega --run Dot\ TransGaming Pirates\!"
[05:43] <Dr_willis> surgy,  set the permissions   more open
[05:44] <Dr_willis> let the otther users have full permissions to that dir. and link it to their .cedega or whatever dir.
[05:44] <adf> um
[05:44] <sigma_1234> i found some great debian training manuals at one of mark shuttleworths sites. and now im finally seeing the light. with linux unlike windows its good to know whats happening behind the gui
[05:44] <adf> back to the original topic
[05:44] <adf> cd ~ takes me to strigi desktop search
[05:44] <adf> is that correct/
[05:44] <biovore> adf: do it in a shell
[05:44] <adf> ok
[05:44] <ardchoille> adf: Are you doing this in a terminal?
[05:44]  * biovore smacks head..
[05:45] <surgy> Dr_willis: you know how cedega works right? it sets local settings for particular games, and none of the games are showing up in cedega on the other user, therefore it isnt letting the other user access the game or the specific settings for that game, so i need to make it so that both users share the same cedega and the same cedega files instead of having different sets
[05:45] <adf> I wasnt
[05:45] <adf> didnt u tell me to do it in Konquerer
[05:45] <adf> am I meant to just type cd ~
[05:45] <Dr_willis> wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/10761023/flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb  && sudo dpkg -i flashplugin-nonfree_9.0.115.0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:45] <biovore> you can do the file copy in konqueror.. but you have to know what your doing first..
[05:45] <adf> like exactly cd ~
[05:45] <biovore> or do willis way
[05:45] <sigma_1234> why is there no gui to add new users to a system?
[05:45] <Dr_willis> adf,  No. the KONSOLE is the terminal,  Konqueror is the file manager.
[05:45] <adf> I know that
[05:46] <Dr_willis> sigma_1234,  i thought there was.
[05:46] <ardchoille> adf: in a terminal, this command takes you to your home directory:  cd ~
[05:46] <adf> I thought biovore told me to do it in konquerer
[05:46] <adf> oh ok......thanks for that ard
[05:46] <aleksanteri> sigma_1234: there is kuser
[05:46] <biovore> well in the url you can put ~ in konqueror and it will take you to your home directory
[05:46] <adf> nothing happens
[05:46] <adf> it just goes into a new line with what was there before
[05:46] <ardchoille> adf: Now type: pwd
[05:46] <Dr_willis> it worked... :)
[05:47] <biovore> probably because your already at your home directory?
[05:47] <adf> wtf
[05:47] <adf> I type ~ in konquere
[05:47] <adf> and after liek 1 second it turns into strigi
[05:47] <adf> by itself
[05:47] <adf> in the address bar
[05:47] <Dr_willis> because o you are triggering the search feature of the file manager.
[05:47] <biovore> takes me to /home/<usrname> here when I put "~' in the url bar on kde3
[05:48] <Dr_willis> strigi - acts real real... weird for me at times under kde.
[05:48] <surgy> Dr_willis: is there not a way that i can make cedega usuable by every user, instead of every user having there own cedega?
[05:48] <hydrogen> I absolutely hate all off these search utilities
[05:48] <biovore> same..
[05:48] <aleksanteri> find / -name ftw
[05:49] <thomas_newbie__> can someone help me I can't start my apache server and get to the default page with localhost
[05:49] <Dr_willis> surgy,  take the cedga dir. make it readable/writeable by everyone. they can then have full access to it.
[05:49] <aleksanteri> thomas_newbie__, #apache
[05:49] <thomas_newbie__> i just uninstalled apache 1.3 and reinstalled apache2
[05:49] <Dr_willis> surgy,  then link that dir to the users ~/,cedga  (or whatever) dir
[05:50] <surgy> Dr_willis so i need to delete the old .cedega folder on the other user and then make a new symlinked one?
[05:50] <Dr_willis> surgy,  yes basicially.
[05:51] <surgy> Dr_willis: and i right clicked it and checked the permissions on it and all the permissions are on for everyone
[05:51] <surgy> ok how do i symlink it :)
[05:51] <soyyo> I think adf would be more confortable using only dolphin or konqueror... konsole may result confusig for new users
[05:51] <Dr_willis> surgy,  every file In that dir needs to be read/writeable also.  -  'ln -s' is the command to make soft links.
[05:51] <surgy> and if the user that has the original cedega isnt signed on then can the user with the symlink still use it?
[05:52]  * Dr_willis finds the 'click here, clack there, drag over there' now open 3 windows and do a backflip... confusing.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> surgy,  signed on? users being logged in or not have nothing to do with file permissions.
[05:52] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: What happens if one of those users accidentally happens to "rm ~/.cedega/*" ?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  Yep. thats an issue.
[05:52] <biovore> there nubbed
[05:53] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  or what if 2 users run the same program at the same time and it starts 2 updates...
[05:53] <ardchoille> :)
[05:53] <ardchoille> This is the reason for sepearting user accounts ;)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> I dont know what surgy  is really trying to do. :P some sort of Voo-Doo I guess
[05:54] <surgy> Dr_willis: can you give me an example of ln -s using Dot transgaming as the file needing to be symlinked?
[05:54] <Dr_willis> ln -s thisthing thatthing
[05:54] <Dr_willis> You need to link the whome .whatever dir
[05:54] <surgy> ok i still dont understand
[05:54] <surgy> i dont even know how this is going to work
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ln -s THIS/Silly/Path/dir   /this/other/silly/path/dir
[05:55] <adf> ok
[05:55] <Dr_willis> practice a little with ln -s, and see
[05:55] <Dr_willis> mkdir foo
[05:55] <adf> what do I do after I type "cd ~" in konsole?
[05:55] <Dr_willis> ln -s bar foo
[05:55] <adf> cd ~
[05:56] <surgy> no that wont work, the directory tree is too big and complicated i whould have to symlink everything inside right?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> surgy,  NO... You do the FIRST dir as the link
[05:56] <adf> please help
[05:56] <Dr_willis> ln -s .cedega  /home/whatever/.cedega
[05:56] <Dr_willis> or whatever its called.
[05:56] <surgy> Dr_willis: ok
[05:56] <Dr_willis> I mayt have that back3wards
[05:56] <adf> I typed cd ~ in console
[05:56] <adf> and whats next
[05:57] <biovore> what does pwd say
[05:57] <surgy> so if i were to use the command "ln -s bar foo" it whould make a symlink to bar called foo?
[05:57] <biovore> (type pwd in the console)
[05:57] <adf> whatis the location I extract the .so file to?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> surgy,  or the other way. :) I always get it backwards
[05:57] <cn28h> Anyone here have problems with no sound in tvtime on Gutsy? I can't figure out what's going on.  It seems to be a problem with the OSS mixer device it's using :/
[05:57] <Dr_willis> surgy,  try it and see.
[05:57] <biovore> adf: if you in your home directory it will be .mozilla/plugins/
[05:57] <adf> I think its .mozilla/firefox/plugins/
[05:57] <adf> right?
[05:58] <biovore> yes
[05:58] <surgy> Dr_willis: gonna make me teach my self? lol i see how you are
[05:58] <Dr_willis> surgy,  man ln
[05:58] <Dr_willis> :P
[05:58] <surgy> Dr_willis: but i still dont even know what a sym link is
[05:59] <biovore> surgy: thats how we all learned
[05:59] <adf> I extracted the .so file to /username/mozilla/firefox/plugins
[05:59] <Dr_willis> surgy,  a feature of the filesystem that lets you have things appear elseware
[05:59] <adf> and it said create new folder?
[05:59] <adf> I clicked yes
[05:59] <adf> but its not working
[05:59] <biovore> nope.. got the wrong directory then
[05:59] <biovore> .   /home/username
[05:59] <surgy> can i use directories in the "ln -s" command?
[05:59] <Dr_willis> surgy,  of course.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> ive been saying that all along. :)
[05:59] <adf> I did
[06:00] <adf> the place is
[06:00] <bazhang> http://www.ss64.com/bash/ surgy
[06:00] <biovore> adf: restart firefox?
[06:00] <adf> nope, that doesnt work either
[06:00] <adf> the destination folder extrected to is
[06:00] <Dr_willis> ln -s /some/name spud    # creates link ./spud pointing to /some/name
[06:01] <adf> home/adf
[06:01] <adf> .mozilla
[06:01] <adf> plugins
[06:02] <biovore> adf: on my box here I have that .so file in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:02] <biovore> then flash should work on konqueror and firefox
[06:03] <TheWhiteRook> does anyone know if one could get the menu editor in KDE 4 working?
[06:04] <adf> mmm...
[06:04] <biovore> TheWhiteRook: no clue.. its broken for me as well
[06:04] <adf> let me try again
[06:04] <adf> so its extract to right?
[06:04] <TheWhiteRook> mmm
[06:04] <adf> I right click the .so file and extract?
[06:04] <biovore> basicly.. it will work when you get the .so file in the right place..  On my computer here I have it in /home/username/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:05] <j_> biovore what are you talking about
[06:05] <biovore> flash
[06:05] <j_> cool
[06:06] <adf> mmm
[06:06] <adf> btw I'm doing this in ark
[06:06] <genii__> j_: I'm wondering the same thing since koq and mozilla don't even use the same kind of plugin system as well as mozilla plugins are in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/
[06:07] <biovore> adf: I did it all on the command line here..
[06:07] <genii__> *konq
[06:07] <adf> so can I do that also
[06:07] <biovore> genii__: it works here..
[06:07] <adf> do it here?
[06:07] <burner> wow
[06:07] <biovore> adf: yes..  where is the tar file on your harddisk?
[06:07] <biovore> I watch youtube all the time with konqueror
[06:08] <adf> nope
[06:08] <adf> um
[06:08] <adf> its on destop currently
[06:08] <adf> thats where I dl it to
[06:08] <adf> but then I open it with ark
[06:08] <j_> how did you do it i cant get konq to work likr that
[06:08] <j_> like
[06:08] <biovore> ok.. so open a terminal, cd ~, cd Desktop, ls
[06:08] <adf> and then right click to extract it to where u told me
[06:08] <biovore> do you see the tar file there?
[06:09] <surgy> Dr_willis: man that isnt working
[06:09] <Dr_willis> what part isent.
[06:09] <j_> me
[06:09] <adf> it says no such file or directory
[06:10] <biovore> cd ~
[06:10] <biovore> pwd
[06:10] <biovore> does it say /home/username ?
[06:10] <burner> lol
[06:10] <surgy> Dr_willis: well i made a symlink deleted the old file replaced it with the symlink, and then opened the symlink and it had the same contents as though i had open the file in the first place without even doing anything
[06:10] <adf> well its meant to start with username@pcname right?
[06:10] <biovore> ?
[06:11] <adf> ok
[06:11] <adf> when u open konsole
[06:11] <Dr_willis> surgy,  use ls -l, be sure you dident get the ln -s options/target/source backwards
[06:11] <biovore> yes.. thats call a prompt..
[06:11] <surgy> Dr_willis: your sepaking french, mind clarifying?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> surgy,  when you make a proper link. it will appear as if the file/dir is in the new location AND the old one.
[06:11] <Dr_willis>  mkdir foo
[06:11] <Dr_willis> ln -s bar foo
[06:11] <Dr_willis> cd bar
[06:11] <Dr_willis> will be in foo...
[06:12] <TheWhiteRook> foo!
[06:12] <Dr_willis> mkdir foo
[06:12] <Dr_willis> willis@mint:~$ touch foo/this_is_foo
[06:12] <TheWhiteRook> I remember that from the command line tutorials :P...
[06:12] <Dr_willis>  ln -s  foo bar
[06:12] <TheWhiteRook> it amused me much
[06:13] <Dr_willis> ls bar --->   this_is_foo
[06:13] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:13] <adf> I typed: cd (space)~ space fullstop space cd space desktop fullstop space IS
[06:13] <surgy> Dr_willis: you just confused me more
[06:13] <Dr_willis> adf,  its 'Desktop' not 'desktop'
[06:13] <burner> adf: can i give you 3 or 4 simple commands to get flash installed?
[06:13] <Dr_willis> surgy,  make some dirs. play with ln -s
[06:13] <biovore> cd ~ <enter button>cd Desktop<enter button>ls<enter button>
[06:13] <surgy> Dr_willis: so when you make a symlink it makes it inside the directory you are trying to link?
[06:13] <burner> wget http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
[06:13] <burner> tar xvfz flashplayer9_install_linux_061107.tar.gz
[06:13] <burner> mv ./install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:14] <Dr_willis> surgy,  thats the definition of a link.. its the other stuff with a new name.
[06:14] <burner> aw damn, the second command is all b0rked and doesnt' referecne the right .tar.gz :\
[06:14] <adf> cd ~ doesnt do anything
[06:14] <foibles> http://www.softwarereality.com/gp2x.jsp
[06:14] <Dr_willis> surgy,  example ----->    ln -s /media/ MyMedia
[06:14] <foibles> did anyone know this existed?
[06:14] <foibles> im simply amazed
[06:14] <genii> Or same name but in different location
[06:14] <biovore> adf: yes.. shouldn't say anything..
[06:14] <adf> the next line still starts with username@computerma,e:~$
[06:14] <Dr_willis> surgy,  now ya got a MyMedia dir that is a link to /media
[06:15] <Dr_willis> adf,  thats how cd ~ works.
[06:15] <biovore> adf: at that prompt type "cd Desktop"
[06:15] <surgy> Dr_willis: ok i got that part
[06:15] <Dr_willis> adf,  that command makes SURE you are in your home dir.
[06:15] <biovore> adf: prompt should show username@computer:Desktop$
[06:15] <biovore> now
[06:15] <adf> oh ok
[06:15] <adf> it doesnt
[06:15] <biovore> type pwd.. what does it say?
[06:15] <adf> it shows name@pcname: ~$
[06:16] <surgy> and my symlink looks good
[06:16] <adf> pwd command not found
[06:16] <Dr_willis> surgy,  check the ownership of them.
[06:16] <biovore> pwd <enter>  ?
[06:16] <adf> oh lol
[06:16] <adf> wait
[06:16] <adf> um
[06:16] <adf> after I type pwd
[06:16] <adf> the next line says /home/username
[06:16] <biovore> pwd is short for "Print Working Directory" FYI
[06:16] <adf> and then goes into a new line
[06:17] <biovore> ok.. your are in your home directory then
[06:17] <adf> saying username@computernameL ~$
[06:17] <surgy> Dr_willis: so to copy the symlink from here to there it whould be "cp /home/surgy/.cedega/Dot\ TransGaming\c_drive1 /home/penguin" and that whould copy it from here to "/home/penguin" right?
[06:17] <adf> ok good
[06:17] <adf> thanks
[06:17] <biovore> now type "cd Desktop<enter button>"
[06:17] <adf> finally
[06:17] <adf> this one works
[06:17] <adf> ^
[06:17] <biovore> and type pwd again..  should show "/home/username/Desktop"
[06:17] <adf> yep!
[06:17] <biovore> ok..
[06:18] <biovore> now type ls
[06:18] <adf> finally I'm off from where I was 3 hrs ago
[06:18] <Dr_willis> surgy,  ive never said anything about using copy. ;)
[06:18] <adf> u mean Is
[06:18] <adf> as in he is good
[06:18] <biovore> yes ls
[06:18] <adf> or one s
[06:18] <biovore> lima Serira
[06:18] <biovore> LS
[06:18] <adf> LS
[06:18] <adf> and IS
[06:18] <Dr_willis> surgy,   ln -s  /home/surgy/.cedega/Dot\ TransGaming\c_drive1  /home/penguin
[06:18] <adf> dont work
[06:18] <surgy> Dr_willis: yeah but now that i have my link made i need to sopy it to its propper location right?
[06:18] <biovore> l <-- its a lower case L
[06:18] <biovore> ls
[06:18] <burner> LS, but lowercase ;)
[06:18] <Dr_willis> surgy,  No... you make the link in the proper place.
[06:19] <burner> wow
[06:19] <surgy> Dr_willis: ahh
[06:19] <biovore> ls -- list directory
[06:19] <adf> oh ok
[06:19] <adf> lol
[06:19] <surgy> Dr_willis: ok ok
[06:19] <adf> I need to type both L AND ALSO S in lowercase
[06:19] <biovore> yes..
[06:19] <biovore> 'ls'
[06:19] <genii> surgy: Copying symbolic links can be problemmatic especially if they are relative links
[06:19] <adf> I thought u meant "is"
[06:19] <surgy> but sense im moveing from one user to another i need to be using sudo right?
[06:19] <burner> adf: does it show your .tar.gz of flash player and a directory named the same thing?
[06:19] <adf> like this is unbuntu
[06:19] <biovore> yeah i and l looks like
[06:19] <adf> um
[06:20] <adf> the file name for the tar gz file
[06:20] <adf> is what it shows
[06:20] <biovore> adf: ok good
[06:20] <biovore> adf: now type tar -xvzf <tar filename>  <press enter>
[06:20] <burner> type "tar xvfz install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz"
[06:20] <burner> aww, biovore beat me to it
[06:21] <Dr_willis> surgy,  No.. if the permissions are set wide open.. then any user can read/write to the dir.
[06:21] <adf> fz
[06:21] <adf> or zf
[06:21] <burner> doesn't matter
[06:21] <biovore> dosn't matter
[06:21] <Dr_willis> surgy,  if you were using sudo, you could switch TO that one user and run the apps.   but you never said you wanted to do that.
[06:21] <biovore> there command arguments
[06:21] <burner> they're even
[06:21] <biovore> adf: x -- extract v -- verbose f -- force  z-- un gunzip
[06:22] <adf> ok
[06:22] <burner> then "cd install_flash_player_9_linux" and press enter
[06:22] <adf> 3 lines came up
[06:22] <biovore> ok
[06:22]  * Dr_willis thinks the Ubuntu default desktop needs some links to some bash and linux basics that wont stop popping up , untill the user passes some basic tests. :)
[06:22] <biovore> what burner said
[06:22] <Dr_willis> That would be... amuseing.
[06:22] <genii> -f more often means "filename" eg: tar xvf name
[06:22] <adf> yeah
[06:22] <adf> ok
[06:23] <surgy> Dr_willis: ln: creating symbolic link `/home/penguin/Dot Transgaming' to `c_drive': File exists            does that mean the file allready exists?
[06:23] <adf> I typed all u said to type
[06:23] <burner> ok, one more command
[06:23] <burner> mv ./install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:23] <Dr_willis> surgy,  you may have the order of the  "from" and "to" locations backwards.. I alwyas get them backwards.
[06:23] <burner> adf: if it says ~/.mozilla/plugins doesn't exist...
[06:23] <Dr_willis>  surgy  and if any spaces are in the paths.. that can mess things up also.
[06:23] <biovore> burner: I think hes in install_flash
[06:24] <adf> is .so and ~ connected?
[06:24] <burner> well crap
[06:24] <Dr_willis>  /home/surgy/.cedega/Dot\ TransGaming\c_drive1  NOTE THE space..  '\  '
[06:24] <surgy> Dr_willis: there are spaces but im canceling them with "\"
[06:24] <burner> adf: i lied
[06:24] <adf> ?
[06:24] <Dr_willis> spaces are bad. You need to quote the whole argument
[06:24] <burner> mv libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:24] <biovore> adf: we used the ~ because its quicker then saying /home/<username>/
[06:24] <burner> and the .so and ~ are not connected, there is a space
[06:24] <Dr_willis> '/home/surgy/.cedega/Dot TransGaming\c_drive1'  NOTE THE space..  '\  '
[06:24] <adf> oh ok
[06:24] <Dr_willis> oops :)
[06:24] <adf> lol
[06:24] <Dr_willis> '/home/surgy/.cedega/Dot TransGaming\c_drive1'
[06:24] <adf> so thats wha ~ means
[06:24] <burner> it says move the .so (your plugin) file to your home folders' .mozilla/plugins
[06:24] <Dr_willis> ~ is an alias for the users home directory.
[06:25] <adf> ?
[06:25] <biovore> adf: also could use $HOME as well
[06:25] <adf> it says try "mv --help for more info
[06:26] <biovore> probably missing a space..  argument 1 being the .so file <space> /home/username/.mozilla/plugins/
[06:26] <Dr_willis> This is when it pays to use a Ugly MONOspaced font on irc. :)
[06:26] <adf> oh ok
[06:26] <adf> that must be it
[06:26] <surgy> Dr_willis: ok everything went as planned but the "c_drive" link is showing up as red in the ls tree and it is not showing up as a directory how di ii screw up?
[06:27] <Dr_willis> surgy,  your first ln command made a bad link
[06:27] <surgy> this is my most recent ln command
[06:27] <genii> You made a link called "c_drive" which points to a nonexistent location and that is why it's red
[06:27] <Dr_willis>   --> /home/surgy/.cedega/Dot TransGaming\c_drive1           made a bad link by mistake. delete it :)
[06:28] <burner> cedega?  doesn't wine pretty much do everything cedega does these days?
[06:28] <surgy> ok whats the command to delete?
[06:28] <biovore> direct 9 is sligtly better in cedega
[06:28] <Dr_willis> I dont mess with either one. :)
[06:28] <biovore> rm <-- delete
[06:28] <genii> surgy rm
[06:28] <adf> um
[06:28] <adf> it goes back to what it was like before
[06:28] <adf> no effect
[06:29] <biovore> what does what?
[06:30] <burner> adf: close your browser and open it to veoh.com or some flash site
[06:30] <surgy> man im getting so frustrated
[06:30] <adf> um
[06:30] <biovore> burner: I don't think the mv worked..
[06:30] <surgy> it says it exsists so i get all excited and then cd to the penguin dir and what do you know....... it doesnt.
[06:30] <burner> no?
[06:30]  * burner shrugs
[06:30] <adf> it says mv: missing destination file operand after ................
[06:30] <biovore> adf: pwd shows what?
[06:31] <adf> everything up to install_flash_player_9_linux$
[06:31] <burner> adf: does "ls" show an .so file?
[06:31] <adf> ls shows flashplayer-installer
[06:31] <adf> so...
[06:31] <burner> but no .so file right?
[06:32] <adf> nope
[06:32] <burner> so you moved it
[06:32] <adf> just what I said ^
[06:32] <burner> so close your browser
[06:32] <burner> and open it
[06:32] <burner> and bask in the glory that is flash
[06:32] <biovore> can also check in konqueror so see if it sees it.. (it should)
[06:32] <dedi> file permissions in /var got resetted after reboot, how can i fit this?
[06:33] <genii> dedi: You are referring to the /var/run/screen file needing to be 777 again to use "screen" command as normal user?
[06:33] <biovore> anyway.. I am going to bed..
[06:33] <adf> YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[06:33] <adf> OMG
[06:33] <genii> dedi: As per your remarks in #ubuntu?
[06:33] <adf> IT FINALLY WORKED
[06:34] <adf> THANK YOU BIOVORE AND BURNER
[06:34] <dedi> genii: yeah, its also with slocate
[06:34] <adf> and other I may have missed that helped me
[06:34] <adf> I was soo angry 1 hour ago
[06:34] <surgy> ok now i know i did everything right
[06:34] <biovore> adf: learn CLI.. this is technicaly a 5 sec job :-P
[06:34] <adf> cos the instructions I got here were relaly confusing and intermittent
[06:34] <surgy> i evenn testted it on another file, and it still didnt work, still red, still messed up......................
[06:34] <adf> whats CLI
[06:34] <biovore> !CLI
[06:34] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[06:34] <burner> adf: for the record, flash is usually really really easy, but adobe broke it lately
[06:34] <biovore> adf: what you just used
[06:34] <genii> dedi: I already explained to you that if you do not run "screen" or "updatedb" with sudo it needs a file to use which the regular username has the rights on
[06:34] <biovore> adf: you can do everything from there
[06:35] <adf> thats like learning dos
[06:35] <adf> I wll try to get a book on it
[06:35] <biovore> adf: its dos on crack..
[06:35] <adf> oh ok
[06:35] <surgy> waisting my time
[06:35] <biovore> adf: dos is stupid simple compared..
[06:35] <adf> after like literally 3 hours of asking for help here coninusouly
[06:35] <surgy> laterz guy and thnx for the help, but a game is not worth this
[06:35] <adf> we got it to work
[06:35] <surgy> bye
[06:35] <adf> thanks
[06:35] <adf> btw
[06:35] <biovore> adf: the gui stuff is just front ends to the command line stuff..
[06:35] <adf> oh right
[06:36] <biovore> adf: gui only does some things.. command line can do everything..
[06:36] <adf> but in windows u never have to use dos
[06:36] <adf> atleast I dont anyways
[06:36] <dedi> genii: i know how the file permissions have to be set. the problem is that they are resettet after a reboot
[06:36] <burner> you don't have to use this in kubuntu either
[06:36] <biovore> adf: yes.. but in linux. especialy the server world, a gui is a liability..
[06:36] <burner> it's just easier to explain the "dos" or "cli" way via irc than it is to explain where to move your mouse
[06:36] <dedi> genii: sorry for overseeing your first answer, my highlighting is buggy here
[06:37] <biovore> adf: google on bash
[06:37] <genii> dedi: use: sudo screen     or: sudo updatedb                     instead
[06:37] <burner> biovore: run google earth on your precious cli :P
[06:37] <adf> when someone said bash linux
[06:37]  * burner is a desktop guy through and through and does not think we'll win converts by encouraging cli
[06:37] <adf> I thought he/she meant stuff the basics and go on to something else
[06:37] <adf> I mean bash basics
[06:37] <dedi> genii: i have to use sudo locate ... so i need a real fix
[06:37] <biovore> burner: blah.. how needs google earth.. when I can get realtime weather fax via HF radio :-P
[06:37] <adf> not bash linux
[06:38] <genii> dedi: no, just suo on the updatdb    you can use regular user on the locate
[06:38] <burner> dedi: or use tracker instead of locate :P
[06:39] <burner> er... strigi... forgot i was in #kubuntu ;)
[06:39] <dedi> genii: thats the problem, i cant use locate as regular user
[06:39] <genii> dedi: Regular users can "locate" files after the updatedb is done with sudo
[06:39] <adf> how come I typed CD ~ on konquerer it goes to strigi desktop search
[06:39] <dedi> genii: as i say there is something bugged :>
[06:39] <biovore> CD isn't a konqueror thing..
[06:40] <Dr_willis> adf,  because you typed a search phrase that tiggered strigi
[06:40] <dedi> locate: fatal error: search_db: open: '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db': Permission denied
[06:40] <biovore> adf: the URL wourld be just ~
[06:40] <Dr_willis> !info strigi
[06:40] <dedi> sudo updatedb works, locate still not. i can set the file permissions of slocate.db, but its gone after the reboot
[06:40] <biovore> strigi is just a ignoring desktop search thing..
[06:40] <ubotu> Package strigi does not exist in gutsy
[06:43] <genii> dedi: try then: sudo apt-get remove --purge slocate; sudo apt-get install slocate; sudo updatedb
[06:44] <genii> dedi: they try locate  again with regular username
[06:44] <dedi> genii: yeah thats a try i didnt tried yet :)
[06:46] <dbmoodb> hello i'm getting a problem when i print from my *buntu computers running 7.10. debian etch, windows xp can print. I have added cups to aa-complain. buti still get a Can not get the ticket cache for -- this is a samsung printer using their drivers over a network the server is a samba server
[06:46] <genii> dedi: Alternately you can also whatever username to the group slocate with: sudo usermod -G -a slocate <usernamehere>
[06:48] <dedi> genii: thanks that workaround helped, i seems also with screen
[06:48] <dedi> but its a bit dirty anyway :D
[06:48] <genii> yes
[06:48] <dbmoodb>  so...
[06:50] <dedi> just wonder why file permissions in /var get resettet, but not completly ( i messed owner rights up in /var, buf fixed them again, but this stuff didnt got resetted)
[06:52] <genii> dbmoodb: Did you look here yet http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=580071
[06:52] <dbmoodb> maybe...
[06:52] <dbmoodb> i'm not sure it is crashing
[06:53] <dbmoodb> look like my problem
[06:53] <dbmoodb> wait no they don't have the solution they just say use tcp....
[06:54] <dbmoodb> i'm not using ipp i think
[06:54] <dbmoodb> i'm just telling cups to print to smb://192.168.0.blah/blah
[06:56] <xen_> Hi there could i please get some help with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=673786
[07:04] <xen_> Hi there could i please get some help with this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=673786
[07:05] <jtmoney> hey guys, i noticed that ati came out with a new version recently. does anyone know if the envy script is hardcoded to a version, or if it grabs the latest version automatically?
[07:06] <bazhang> !envy | jtmoney
[07:06] <ubotu> jtmoney: envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[07:07] <jtmoney> bazhang: it's needed if i want to use compiz without xgl
[07:07] <jtmoney> ;)
[07:07] <jtmoney> it's okay, i noticed the binary ati howto was updated
[07:07] <bazhang> jtmoney: but dont expect help here with it
[07:07] <jtmoney> dkms looks like a godsend
[07:08] <dbmoodb> ba
[07:13] <dbmoodb> i have some more info
[07:15] <andrus> hello, how can i see/run help files of gnome application in kde?
[07:16] <dbmoodb> ok i think that site that some one linked me too wins, ....i think cupsys is trying to use ipp printing
[07:18] <sime_> hey
[07:18] <sime_> i have a quest
[07:19] <sime_> where do i learn more about the terminal
[07:19] <dbmoodb> !ask
[07:19] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[07:19] <dbmoodb> ah bash sime ?
[07:20] <sime_> huh
[07:20] <dbmoodb> !bash
[07:20] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:21] <sime_> thx
[07:24] <kristjan_> what's the most simple video editor for splitting .mov files? kdenlive?
[07:24] <dbmoodb> bah - there is no smb backend in my cupsys /usr/lib/cups/backend folder- is this a problem that might be causing me grief ?
[07:25] <dbmoodb> shouldn't be no...
[07:30] <dbmoodb> it would seem the ubuntu comp is trying to use /var/spool/win....
[07:33] <Eddie23x> hi
[07:35] <dbmoodb> hi
[07:38] <posingaspopular> !hi
[07:38] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:40] <Dr_willis> !moo
[07:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about moo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:41] <lod_> hi, need help with compiz, I've changed the nvidia driver and now compiz is running but i've got no window borders
[08:41] <lod_> reinstalled all packages but no changes
[08:41] <Jucato> lod_: you can ask in #compiz-fusion for more assistance
[08:42] <wesley> koffice2 is break in repo
[08:58] <romunov> any good alternatives to autocad for kde (linux)?
[08:59] <posingaspopular> romunov: sorry to break the news, but not that I know of.
[09:02] <Jucato> romunov: there's QCad I think... you can try checking in http://kde-apps.org and http://qt-apps.org
[09:03] <posingaspopular> ah Jucato knows all
[09:03] <Jucato> of course not :P
[09:04] <basy_> how to add applet "system menu" into kmenu ?
[09:05] <ardchoille> basy_: Right click the panel, and choose "add applet to panel". In the add applet dialog, find the applet you want and drag it to the panel
[09:06] <Jucato> um...
[09:06] <basy_> i dont want to add it in to panel but into kmenu
[09:06] <Jucato> basy_: righ-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Menu options -> check the System Menu box in the Optional menus list
[09:06] <Dr_willis> Im vague on what adding an applet to a menu means.. applets run in a panel.
[09:07] <Dr_willis> add the 'system menu' item to the menu... ahhh...
[09:07] <ardchoille> basy_: Sorry, I misread :(
[09:08] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: That was what threw me
[09:08] <Dr_willis> :) me also..
[09:08] <ardchoille> At least I'm in good company :)
[09:08]  * Dr_willis is toying with compiz again.. about to disable it agin.
[09:08] <Dr_willis> the only effect i like is the previews of windows on the panel.
[09:09] <basy_> OK again howto add launcher of "system menu" into KMenu?
[09:10] <basy_> it is not in menu editor
[09:10] <basy_> somewhere in system settings...
[09:10] <basy_> i cant remeber where
[09:11] <Jucato> [17:06] <Jucato> basy_: righ-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Menu options -> check the System Menu box in the Optional menus list
 basy_: righ-click on the panel -> Configure Panel -> Menu options -> check the System Menu box in the Optional menus list
[09:12] <Dr_willis> Lol. :)
[09:12] <Jucato> :P
[09:12] <Dr_willis> I like that little item.
[09:13] <basy_> ok
[09:13] <basy_> thanks
[09:13] <Dr_willis> Lots of neet things in that menu options.. lots of useless things also it seems
[09:14] <lod_> is there software for VC benchmark under kubuntu?
[09:14] <Dr_willis> Now i got 2 Settings menu items. :) one has just kde stuff.. other has kde + lots of other items.
[09:14] <Dr_willis> vc benchmarks?
[09:14] <lod_> yes, video card
[09:15] <lod_> graphic card, graphic accelerator
[09:15] <Dr_willis> hmm. there are linux benchmark programs.. but never noticed any for just the video card systems.
[09:16] <lod_> np, i'm focused on the vc, but the overal bench. will be fine tu
[09:17] <Dr_willis> !find benchmark
[09:17] <ubotu> Found: libbenchmark-ocaml-dev, php-benchmark
[09:17] <Dr_willis> I know theres others..  lets see
[09:17] <Dr_willis> !find bonnie
[09:17] <ubotu> Found: bonnie++
[09:17] <Dr_willis> !info bonnie++
[09:17] <ubotu> bonnie++ (source: bonnie++): Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.. In component main, is optional. Version 1.03aubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 40 kB, installed size 144 kB
[09:17] <Dr_willis> apt-cache search benchmark
[09:17] <Dr_willis> has a lot of hits. :)
[09:18] <lod_> ok, 10x
[09:18] <wesley> koffice2 is brek in repo
[09:18] <sigma_1234> is anyone here able to burn multisession dvd rws with k3b?
[09:19] <Jucato> Dr_willis: one of those is the special Settings menu, which is just a menu representation of kcontrol items, the other is a real K Menu sub folder
[09:21] <Dr_willis> Jucato,  yea. Ive noticed that i am getting 100000's of menu items now days.. Would be nice if some how one could sort menus in to the 'kde standard items'   and keep them seperate from the gnome standard items, and  keep that stuff seperate from the 'disrto specific items;'
[09:22] <Dr_willis> going to need touse mySQL to keep the menu items sorted one of these days.  getting to be so many
[09:25] <Dr_willis> !info sdm
[09:25] <ubotu> sdm (source: sdm): Secure Display Manager - secure remote access to X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.0b-3 (gutsy), package size 13 kB, installed size 124 kB
[09:36] <basy_> any know some install compiz on 64bit tutorial?
[09:36] <gan|y|med> hi
[09:36] <gan|y|med>  i installed xephyr, but when it opens it gives me no xterm. why is that? (xterm is installed)
[09:39] <sigma_1234> is openoffice a qt app?
[09:40] <Jucato> no
[09:41] <se7en> where would i find notebook tools like what to do if 10 min battary power left and so on
[09:41] <se7en> power management
[09:42] <Jucato> se7en: doesn't guidance power manager (sitting in the system tray) do that?
[09:42] <sigma_1234> then what is it? it doesnt feel like a gtk app
[09:42] <se7en> no not in kde4
[09:42] <posingaspopular> is there a way to chenge the text size in kde4 without changing the resolution?
[09:42] <serzholino> it uses its own toolkit
[09:42] <serzholino> sigma_1234: ^^
[09:42] <Jucato> posingaspopular: in System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts?
[09:43] <serzholino> with plugins to look like kde or gtk or win32
[09:43] <Jucato> (oh, and #kubuntu-kde4 for KDE 4 questions :P)
[09:43] <posingaspopular> i see, thanks Jucato
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[09:45] <sigma_1234> ah so its platform independent. so thats why its so slow!
[09:45] <sunny__> keiner da aus Deutschland ?
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> !de | sunny__
[09:45] <ubotu> sunny__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:46] <azman> hi all
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> hi azman
[09:46] <mint2> can anyone help ?
[09:46] <ActionParsnip> !ask | mint2
[09:46] <ubotu> mint2: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[09:47] <mint2> am using gutsy
[09:47] <mint2> when i switch my external HD
[09:47] <mint2> it detects it but when dolphin opens it
[09:47] <azman> am using fasty
[09:47] <mint2> it says hal-storage-removable-mour refused uid 1000
[09:47] <azman> :)
[09:47] <mint2> u the man azman !
[09:48] <azman> yes
[09:48] <posingaspopular> azman: is that a question, or a decleration ;o
[09:48] <azman> whay?
[09:48] <Venson> Hey all, is anybody else having problems with Ensoniq1371 cards emitting a lot of distortion while playing music?
[09:48] <Dr_willis> mint2,  i belive the 'proper' fix (which isent ideal) is to make a fstab entry for the external drive.
[09:48] <posingaspopular> mint2: it sounds like you're having issue with mouting the drive?
[09:48] <Venson> I've looked around enough online, reinstalled upgraded version of ALSA etc. Nothing's helped so far
[09:48] <mint2> i would think so, Dr_willis
[09:48] <Dr_willis> Theres some oddity going on with auto mounting of external ntfs drives.
[09:49] <mint2> yes posingaspopular
[09:49] <mint2> how do i proceed
[09:49] <Dr_willis> ive heard that ubuntu dosent have this issue.. and  im testing out Mint Linux today, and it asked for the sudoers password befor mounting my ntfs disks.  So.....  I guess it depends on wha tyou want to do.
[09:49] <toby> are you in group "plugdev"?
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> mint2, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=601210
[09:50] <ere4si> refused uid 1000 means your user isn't allowed to access external drives mint2
[09:50] <mint2> yeah ere4si
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> mint2, listen to toby
[09:51] <ere4si> so you need to change what your user can access mint2 - users and groups
[09:51] <toby> open a user-editor
[09:52] <toby> and make sure you're in group hal, plugdev and all that
[09:52] <Dr_willis> Hmm...  Im not sure this is the totally right fix.  I got plugdev:x:46:haldaemon,ubuntu,willis in my groups and still had the issue.. lets check the hal group.
[09:53] <tokis> hi all, anyone knows the name of the applications that installs konqueror plugins automatically (eg. flash plugin)
[09:53] <Dr_willis> flash is broken at this time.. sadly
[09:53] <Dr_willis> !flash
[09:53] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[09:53] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[09:53] <Dr_willis> ya gotta do some twiddling to get flash going right.
[09:54] <Dr_willis> install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package for a lot of the other bits  :)
[09:54] <Dr_willis> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:54] <ubotu> kubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 10 (gutsy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[09:54] <tokis> it worked for me on firefox if I installed it from the konqueror plugin thingy
[09:54] <mint2> ugh
[09:54] <mint2> bloody thing
[09:54] <mint2> i dont know how to get to hal
[09:54] <ardchoille> tokis: The new flash plugin uses XEmbed and konqueror does not support XEmbed, which is why it's broken for konq
[09:54] <tokis> enable inotify in the kernel config
[09:56] <mint2> should i apt get ntfs-3g ?
[09:56] <Mediapirate> Hello
[09:56] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello.
[09:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> I am trying to change the resolution on my virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F1) and whenever I put VGA=791 or any other resolution it just gives me a blank screen with a blinking cursor.  It worked with Feisty but not with Gutsy... What gives?
[09:58] <Mediapirate> How are we?
[09:58] <gundam_rx78nt1> on the grub menu.lst file.
[09:59] <toby> did you try vga=0x791 and so on?
[09:59] <toby> i.e. with "0x"
[09:59] <Mediapirate> I'm a kubuntu n00b so don't ask me
[09:59] <Mediapirate> haha
[09:59] <mint2> u noob !
[09:59] <gundam_rx78nt1> toby, the 791 is the decimal equivelent of 0x317.
[09:59] <Mediapirate> :-( its not my fault....i'm downloading as we speak
[09:59] <toby> ah right ;)
[10:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> I tried it both ways.
[10:00] <Mediapirate> can I ask what you guys use irc wise?
[10:00] <gundam_rx78nt1> Has anybody experienced this?  I hate having giant letters on  my screen when I am working on command line issues.
[10:00] <Mediapirate> or do you emulate mIRC
[10:02]  * Mediapirate wonders what people use IRC wise on kubuntu?
[10:02] <posingaspopular> Mediapirate: konversation of course ;p
[10:02] <toby> Konversation
[10:02]  * jpatrick uses irssi
[10:02] <Mediapirate> hehe thanks guys
[10:02] <ardchoille> irssi here
[10:02] <posingaspopular> irssi is popular though, and a few apps
[10:02] <ActionParsnip> Mediapirate, i use Konversation in Kubuntu and HydraIRC in windows. Why pay for mIRC when their are free eqivelants
[10:03] <Mediapirate> pay? lmao
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> !piracy " Mediapirate
[10:03] <Mediapirate> you don't actually need to pay for it
[10:03] <posingaspopular> Mediapirate: welcome to the kubutu cult. if you need help, just ask around
[10:03] <Mediapirate> you just have to get that annoying screen for like 10 seconds then you click continue
[10:03] <ActionParsnip> Mediapirate, you do or the free trial expires
[10:03] <Dr_willis> there is xchat for windows.
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis, xchat has a limited free try license then you gots to pay
[10:04] <Dr_willis> ActionParsnip,  totally wrong. :) there are free versions also.
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> Mediapirate, HydraIRC has no ads and is completely free
[10:04] <Dr_willis> the 'official' one has that restriction.
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis, oic
[10:04] <Mediapirate> ahhh so many choices...
[10:04] <Dr_willis> theres like 4 other xchat variantions for windows that are 100% free
[10:04] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis, whats the difference?
[10:04] <Dr_willis> some have some extras,, some got some extra bugs. :P
[10:05] <Dr_willis> some use different gtk  things from what i gathered.
[10:05] <adf> hi
[10:05] <Dr_willis> I dident notice any real differance between them all.
[10:05] <posingaspopular> you can also compile it from source and avoid paying that way
[10:05] <posingaspopular> !hi adf
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi adf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <Mediapirate> hi adf
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> Mediapirate, thats the world of Linux, Youarent made to have one choice only. freedom!!
[10:05] <posingaspopular> !hi | adf
[10:05] <ubotu> adf: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:05] <adf> do I have to install some GNOME stuff if I want to run Pidgin on Kubuntu
[10:05] <adf> hi everyone
[10:05] <Mediapirate> lol
[10:05] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis, sweet man
[10:06] <Dr_willis> just install pidgin and it will grab all needed dependencies
[10:06] <Mediapirate> yea thats a good point.  what do you use for msn.....pidgin i assume?
[10:06] <Dr_willis> thats whats so cool about the whole apt system. :P
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> Dr_willis, I'll stick with hydra as I have my scripts setup so I log straight in and I come straight here
[10:06] <posingaspopular> adf: i dont think so, im almost certain it's a standalone application.
[10:06] <adf> um
[10:06] <adf> I try to use kopete but it crashes when I try to sign in
[10:06] <spiroo> Does anybody know how to remove KDE4, from Kubuntu. I cannot, because it remove KDM and nothing works if so.
[10:06] <Dr_willis> ActionParsnip,  thats like a 3 line script for me. :) actually i dont even need to script htat in xchat.
[10:06] <adf> so whats a good replacement in kde for kopete?
[10:07] <Dr_willis> spiroo,  i just reinstalled kdm after removing the kde4 bits.
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> adf, what chat network/s do you use?
[10:07] <adf> msn
[10:07] <posingaspopular> adf: pidgin
[10:07] <Mediapirate> emulated?
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> adf, amsn is awesome
[10:07] <spiroo> Dr_Willis: Yes, but for me if I do that it install KDE4 again :D
[10:07] <adf> but are they kde themed
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> adf, indeed
[10:07] <adf> I thought pidgin is written for gnome
[10:07] <Dr_willis> spiroo,  kdm and the kde4-kdm i though are 2 different packages.
[10:07] <ActionParsnip> adf, sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:08] <Dr_willis> !find kdm
[10:08] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes, kdmtheme, kdm
[10:08] <Mediapirate> lovin this IRC
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> adf, I think they just use the destop environment
[10:08] <Mediapirate> i've got to go get a haircut
[10:08] <Mediapirate> bye
[10:08] <adf> yeah
[10:08] <spiroo> Dr_willis: Yes they are different, but in some way they are now connectedd :S
[10:08] <Dr_willis> Hmm does the bot even search kde4 packages..  There IS the official #kubuntu-kde4 channel.
[10:08] <adf> so is amsn better than pidgin?
[10:08] <Mediapirate|AWAY> ?
[10:08] <miranda_> I have two different videocards/monitors. Is is possible to get a different x session running on each?
[10:08] <ardchoille> !away | Mediapirate|AWAY
[10:08] <ubotu> Mediapirate|AWAY: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #kubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair to new users.  (Please set your preferred nick in your client's settings instead.)  The same goes for using noisy away messages; use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently.  See also  !Guidelines
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> adf, i only use msn and it even shows the drawings when people send them from live messenger
[10:09] <Dr_willis> miranda_,  i hear it is. :)
[10:09] <Dr_willis> miranda_,  but it may take some work.
[10:09] <Mediapirate|AWAY> i'm sorry ubotu :-(
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> adf, give it a go, see what you think of it. You can always uninstall
[10:09] <adf> so its better than pidgin actionparsnip?
[10:09] <spiroo> Dr_willis: Either way now if I am trying to start a KDE4 session I got a black screen and cannot do naything. Only KDE3 works :(
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> adf, define better
[10:09] <adf> at least in ur own opinion?
[10:09] <ardchoille> adf: You can use gnome apps just fine in kde. and kde has settings to help gtk apps attempt to use kde themes
[10:10] <adf> well u know what u prefer to use
[10:10] <miranda_> Dr_willis: not afraid of some hard work ;) is there a tutorial on that?
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> adf, indeed but it may not be the same as yours
[10:10] <SarraHH> hello peoples heres a good one for ya
[10:10] <mragrid> kubuntu dont boot after installation
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> adf, all I can do is suggest. You might think it sucks
[10:10] <adf> so u personally like amsn more than other IM apps right?
[10:10] <ActionParsnip> adf, catch my drift?
[10:10] <miranda_> Dr_Willis: problem is, I can only find setting up two virtual x sessions on google
[10:11] <ActionParsnip> adf, correct
[10:11] <adf> k
[10:11] <adf> good
[10:11] <adf> thanks
[10:11] <adf> um
[10:11] <adf> so I can get it from adept or what do I do?
[10:11] <LooSe> spca5xx drivers ....ta dah .....*cringes*
[10:11] <MGalaxy> LDOCE (Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English) was OK just after installing Kubuntu 7.10 DVDm but after upgrading all packages (Full Upgrade) the phonetic font of LDOCE is shown wrongly, LDOCE uses gtk 1.2, any solution?
[10:11] <Mediapirate|AWAY> ahhhh spam
[10:12] <mragrid> kubuntu dont boot after installation can somebody help me
[10:12] <ActionParsnip> adf, yeah. or you can use sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:13] <Dr_willis> miranda_,   You have 2 seperate video cards? or one video card with 2 video outs?
[10:13]  * ActionParsnip is afk
[10:13] <adf> sry can u explain the directions for that "sudo apt-get....
[10:13] <LooSe> adf: I might pooint out that the amsn in the repos is not the latest one so youll have to put up with a version upgrade notice everytime it starts
[10:13] <adf> is that what I should enter in konsole?
[10:13] <adf> oh
[10:13] <LooSe> hello intelikey
[10:13] <intelikey> shalom LooSe
[10:13] <LooSe> <<----AzAel for last week
[10:14] <LooSe> from
[10:14] <adf> loose: so even though if I download the lastest version the notice will still come up?
[10:14] <miranda_> Dr_willis: currently, two seperate video cards, but I do have options and can do one card with two vga outs.
[10:14] <mragrid> can someone o the moderators help me please
[10:14] <LooSe> sorry afd but at this pint its not really an issue for you
[10:14] <LooSe> mragrid: whats the problem
[10:15] <LooSe> hey does anyone have experience with spca5xx driver based webcams?
[10:15]  * ActionParsnip back
[10:15] <LooSe> wb ActionParsnip
[10:15] <Dr_willis> miranda_,  2 monitors with a nvidia card  with 2 video outs is fairly easy. :)
[10:16] <mragrid> my problem is that i installed kubuntu in dual boot with xp and the xp is working well now with grub but kubuntu just show me kubuntu loading and then all go black and freeze
[10:16] <wesley> is it posibile to run kubuntu without touching your xbox360
[10:16] <wesley> like booting from a live cd
[10:17] <adf> actionparsnip: whats the best way to get amsn
[10:17] <LooSe> wesley: its not quite that far along yet
[10:17] <adf> amsn
[10:17] <adf> adept or konsole terminal?
[10:17] <LooSe> wesley: from what i know you need a modded dvd rom drive
[10:18] <DreadKnight> adf: sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:18] <DreadKnight> i guess
[10:18] <adf> dreadnight: I'm not familiar with that code thing, is that what I enter in konsole after I download the tar.gz file?
[10:18] <mragrid> so loose can you help me
[10:19] <DreadKnight> adf: fire up konsole
[10:19] <LooSe> mragrid: the live cd booted fine yeah?
[10:19] <mragrid> yes of course
[10:19] <LooSe> lol obviously
[10:19] <adf> dreadknight: can u give me some specific directions ?
[10:19] <adf> so after firing up konsole
[10:19] <mragrid> loose: i installed it and all went verry well
[10:20] <DreadKnight> adf: it means you want administrative privileges to use apt to install the package called amsn
[10:20] <DreadKnight> adf: are you running 7.10 with kde3.x ?
[10:20] <adf> yeah
[10:20] <adf> I think I am
[10:20] <adf> just downloaded kubuntu this morning
[10:20] <DreadKnight> press alt+space and type konsole (depends if it's translated in ur language... )
[10:21] <adf> ?
[10:21] <mragrid> loose: could it be because i installed it on a secondary partition
[10:21] <adf> its english
[10:21] <LooSe> mragrid: im at a loss at the moment because i havent had boot problems for ages so icant remember the command to show the kernel output as its booting
[10:21] <DreadKnight> adf: press that and type in, then hit enter ...
[10:21] <adf> sry what do I do after I get to the catapult screen?
[10:21] <mragrid> loose: ok
[10:21] <DreadKnight> adf: type in "konsole" and press enter :D
[10:21] <mragrid> loose: thank you anyway
[10:22] <adf> k
[10:22] <LooSe> mragrid: someone else here will know
[10:22] <adf> oh
[10:22] <adf> so thats what katapult is for
[10:22] <LooSe> adf: you could just simply search for amsn in adept and install it that way
[10:22] <DreadKnight> adf: you can fire up applications, change the playing song from amarok, open documents etc
[10:22] <adf> dreadknight: so after I get to the command screen?
[10:23] <DreadKnight> adf: sudo apt-get install amsn
[10:23] <adf> k
[10:23] <adf> from my home directory?
[10:23] <DreadKnight> doesn't matter
[10:23] <LooSe> or that
[10:23] <mragrid> loose: yes, but you are the only one that responded to my question
[10:24] <adf> it says [sudo] password for username:
[10:24] <adf> and I cant enter anything from keyboard
[10:24] <posingaspopular> yes you can adf you just cant see it
[10:24] <adf> oh ok
[10:24] <posingaspopular> so anyone looking over you shoulder can't steal the password ;p
[10:24] <ardchoille> adf: That nees your username, and yes it does enter, it just doesn't print anything (security purposes)
[10:24] <LooSe> so does anyone know about the spca5xx webcams drivers????
[10:24] <adf> so do I just press backspace to delete whatever I may have entered
[10:24] <DreadKnight> adf: so enter your password of the root, chars are hidden, if you get it wrong you will be propted again... you can also use backspace to del if you typed in something wrong
[10:24] <posingaspopular> yes
[10:25] <LooSe> mragrid: so all ytour getting is a black screen and no text?
[10:25] <adf> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:25] <adf> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:25] <DreadKnight> adf: this would be one way to do it; the most noobish one would be to press on the Kmenu, click on the add/remove programs, check for amsn, check and apply/install, another way would be adept_manager, and the last i can think of is installing .deb files :)
[10:26] <adf> thats what it says
[10:26] <ardchoille> adf: Youmay have another package manager open, close it and try again
[10:26] <DreadKnight> adf: well, restart your pc, or close adept or other things opened
[10:26] <LimCore> ActionParsnip  asks why he is banned here?
[10:26] <sigma_1234> did you guys hear da plan to rename kubuntu to ubuntu kde edition? i read it in the news this morning
[10:26] <adf> dreadnight: yeah lol I had adept open
[10:26] <LooSe> adf: you must have adept open or something
[10:26] <LimCore> any ops here?
[10:26] <mragrid> loose: exactly, i choose kubuntu from grub and then i get the message that kubuntu is loading and then nothink all black
[10:26] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: that would be cool, less flame wars  etc
[10:27] <DreadKnight> and confusion xD
[10:27] <LimCore> indeed  Ubuntu KDE edition  sounds better
[10:27] <sigma_1234> but i liked kubuntu. now everything is going to change:(
[10:27] <LimCore> some people are like  "no, I dont have ubuntu.... I have kubuntu"
[10:27] <LooSe> mragrid: is there an option for recovery mode?
[10:27] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: me too, but that's after i learned what things are the hard way
[10:28] <mragrid> loose: yes and i tried it but i get the same result : nothing
[10:28] <DreadKnight> ubuntu doesn't even contains a G for gnome :D
[10:28] <LooSe> Can someone help mragrid
[10:28] <DreadKnight> Gubuntu :P
[10:28] <sigma_1234> whenever i think about ubuntu i always think gnome. when i think about kubuntu i always think kde
[10:29] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: what about fedora users? :D they have the option... and other distros as well
[10:30] <sigma_1234> but do we really want to copy someone else or be original?
[10:30] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: and the "planets" are also messed up, nobody cares about that anymore, it has to be a big welcoming community
[10:30] <LooSe> heheheh Ubuntu KDE4 Edition
[10:30] <sigma_1234> ubuntu also doesnt have a k d or e. lol
[10:30] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: it's best this way; would make more sense to non-geeks like us, trust me
[10:30] <LooSe> remove your gnome for they are creating dead patches on my lawn
[10:31] <DreadKnight> LooSe: lol
[10:31] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: ubuntu doesn't have from gnome, but kubuntu has from kde, same goes for xubuntu... :P so ...
[10:32] <sigma_1234> yeah it probably does help with non geeks i guess. hope the ubuntu kde edition logo stays blue though
[10:32] <DreadKnight> it would be plain easy to adopt new desktop enviroments without making a new distro with an odd name
[10:32] <sigma_1234> DreadKnight: yeah but they wana change that now
[10:32] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: i hope so too, but my parents don't get the kubuntu/ubuntu/xubuntu/shubuntu thing :|
[10:33] <LooSe> Ubuntu totally mental edition
[10:33] <DreadKnight> sigma_1234: hmmm... guess they need to make a new one to "unify" the projects :\
[10:33] <ardchoille> !ot
[10:33] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:33] <DreadKnight> bah, party breaker :D
[10:33] <sigma_1234> lol
[10:33]  * DreadKnight runs
[10:34] <LooSe> im still waiting for answers to my earlier question
[10:35] <intelikey> miranda_ what's your issue ?
[10:35] <LooSe> re: can someone with a bit of experience with spca5xx webcam drivers assit me
[10:35] <intelikey> no exp. here LooSe
[10:36] <Mediapirate|AWAY> If your wireless card isn't on the supported cards list does that mean you can't use your compuer wirelessly with kubuntu?
[10:36] <sigma_1234> loose: is that a linux driver?
[10:37] <intelikey> Mediapirate|AWAY no it means you may have to do something fancy like ndiswrapper to use it
[10:37] <LooSe> sigma_1234: it is
[10:38] <Mediapirate|AWAY> ok thanks
[10:38] <LooSe> ever since 7.10 my webcam has been displaying a black screen
[10:38] <intelikey> Mediapirate|AWAY it also means that it "may not work"  but that is less likely than "it will if you use ndiswrapper"
[10:38] <LooSe> it worked in 7.04
[10:39] <Mediapirate|AWAY> Ok thats great...thanks intelikey  i've got two external wifi cards so hopefully at least one of them will work
[10:39] <sigma_1234> loose: maybe they took the driver out
[10:39] <intelikey> Mediapirate|AWAY welcome
[10:39] <LooSe> no its there but i think something in recent kernels has broken it
[10:40] <LooSe> its detected and the driver is configured but theres something else that stuffs it
[10:40] <intelikey> miranda_ ?
[10:41] <mragrid> can someome help me i m having serious boot problems with kubuntu
[10:42] <intelikey> mragrid ati vidio chipset on a 64 bit lappy   and it's blanking out on you when you boot ???
[10:43] <mragrid> intelikey: no i have ati video chipset on 32 bit lappy and not 64 bit and yes its blanking out on when i boot
[10:44] <LooSe> intelikey to the rescue woohoo
[10:44] <intelikey> short answer stop using kernel frame buffering.   boot with "nosplash vga=normal"     there is probably a long answer too.
[10:45] <LooSe> mragrid: i take it you know how to do that from grub?
[10:46] <mragrid> loose: no
[10:46] <mragrid> loose: do i have to put an argument on grub
[10:46] <LooSe> yup...the one that intelikey pointed out
[10:47] <mragrid> ok i will try it right now
[10:47] <LooSe> of course i dont like arguing with grub so i just walk away till hes cooled down
[10:47] <intelikey> at the boot menu   press [esc]    select the boot option you wish "probably (ubuntu..)"  press [e]     select the kernel line and press [e]   edit the line and hit enter    then press [b]
[10:48] <mragrid> ok thanks for you both i will try it right now
[10:49] <LooSe> good luck to him
[10:49] <LooSe> i just always acpi issues
[10:49] <LooSe> had
[10:50] <intelikey> acpi may be involved with that issue too   but just not using the fbcon should get him to a working system
[10:51] <HumpBack> Hello all. Is there any info on updating kubuntu gutsy to Hardy? I need some packages (maven) that are not in gutsy.
[10:51] <intelikey> and for my way of thinking, if frame buffering or acpi has to go   kill the usplash!
[10:52] <LooSe> be nice if they could develop a boot sequence that would revert back to an active safe state that diplays a log of the error/errors
[10:52] <LooSe> instead of just freezing
[10:53] <intelikey> LooSe it's not an actual freeze.  people call it that because they don't see anything.   but with that issue most of the time the system fully boots and will respond to input. just doesn't display anything
[10:54] <LooSe> i know but "They" don't know that
[10:55] <LooSe> some sort of error code must be generated that the system can intercept
[10:55] <Dr_willis> Ohh,,, "They dont know"  - well we cant let "Them" Find out... :)
[10:55] <intelikey> :)
[10:55]  * Dr_willis looks around for... "Them"....
[10:56] <LooSe> rofl
[10:56] <Belisarivs> Hi all.
[10:56] <intelikey> if they only knew that they didn't know, we all know what would happen.
[10:56] <Belisarivs> I have problem with krorrent.
[10:56] <Dr_willis> Its 6 am here.. ick. :0 about time for me to  hit the bed..
[10:56] <LimCore> lol who banned ActionParsnip
[10:56] <Belisarivs> It allocates full space for downloads even though I disabled this feature. An it also is very unstable.
[10:57] <Belisarivs> I'll provide bugreport, but I'd like ask whether would someone help me to search relevant data (backtrace, gdb) so I can fill useful report.
[10:57] <LooSe> Belisarivs: its a feature not a bug
[10:57] <LooSe> sorry :P
[10:57] <Belisarivs> LooSe, but it is bug when you set it to be disabled in configuration and it isn't.
[10:58] <LooSe> Belisarivs: that was just a sad attempt at humour
[10:58] <Belisarivs> Ah.
[11:00] <LooSe> intelikey: my veiled point being that display errors are the biggest pain for nubs and a large cause for most people dropping the whole "lets try an alternative" idea
[11:01] <LimCore> ardchoille: ActionParsnip asks for redemption :P
[11:01] <ardchoille> LimCore: This is not the place for that.
[11:01] <intelikey> LooSe yeah.  and boot splash   is the biggest cause of them.     so the problem is the eyecandy.
[11:01] <mragrid> loose and intelikey: the method worked and the kubuntu started thanks for both of you
[11:02] <intelikey> mragrid welcome.
[11:02] <LooSe> mragrid: maybe you can talk intelikey into telling you how to disable it permanently so you dont have to type it in each time you boot
[11:03] <LooSe> intelikey: gotta love the eye candy though
[11:03] <LooSe> without it my wife would freak 10x more
[11:03] <intelikey> LooSe yeah, it keeps tech support in business
[11:03] <LooSe> "omg whats all that jibberish"
[11:03] <mragrid> inteliskey: do i have to do the same every time i boot my system or there is a kind of file that should be modified to be done automaticaly every time i boot
[11:03]  * LooSe smirks
[11:04] <mragrid> loose: that exactly what i did
[11:04] <intelikey> mragrid   sudo nano /boot/grub/menu.lst     change it there if you want it to be sticky
[11:05] <intelikey> if you don't know/like nano     gksudo kate /boot/grub/menu.lst
[11:05] <LooSe> mragrid: OR sudo kate /boot/grub.......to quick for me
[11:05] <mragrid> inteliskey: great, thank you
[11:06] <mragrid> loose: thank you too
[11:07] <LooSe> intelikey: tanks for the pm
[11:07] <LooSe> i usually use mc to do everything sudoish
[11:07] <intelikey> np
[11:07] <intelikey> me too
[11:08] <LooSe> i hate this chair
[11:08] <DreadKnight> me too
[11:08] <LooSe> back one the circulation has returned
[11:08] <LooSe> once
[11:10] <intelikey> ot: but, never selstc a chair for the way it feel when you sit in it,   select a chair for the way it feels when you rise from sitting in it for two hours.
[11:11] <intelikey> s.selstc.select.
[11:11] <adf> hi
[11:12] <LooSe> i have this chair because my comp is on the breakfast bench and i only have a crappy stool
[11:13] <homoludens> hi everyone! could anyone tell me where i can post questions regarding kopete (unter kubuntu)?
[11:13] <homoludens> but it's more of a kopete than kubuntu question ...
[11:13] <kim> hey im havnig a weird problem wiht printing. im using samba to print to an office pritner, but itll only print a test page - if i try and print anythign out it seems to spool it but then it just doesnt work. any ideas?
[11:13] <Lynoure> homoludens: you could still try here, for starters :)
[11:13] <LooSe> depemnding on the problem it may serve you to google for the kopete irc channel
[11:14] <LooSe> that would also help
[11:15] <homoludens> yippie! :D ok, my problem is: whenever i set the global status under kopete to "away", the status for my yahoo account is set to "busy", and not to "away". is there a way to customize how the individual status messages relate to the global one?
[11:16] <milestone> hi all
[11:16] <homoludens> i was looking for an irc channel but don't think there is one for kopete. there's only a developers' mailing list.
[11:16] <intelikey> kim  if it prints the test page   and you saved/applied all changes   then it "should" print anything.   (i know that looks like a non-help response)
[11:17] <milestone> is there a tool to remaster a dvd under kde?
[11:17] <bachstudies> I have installed Ooo 2.3.1 manually to fix font issues and now adept keeps saying the newer packages are upgradable. Is there anyway to tell adept not to look at those files?
[11:17] <milestone> I maean to mount an iso image and add files to it, and then burn it
[11:17] <kim> intelikey: hmm, thankss. weird innit?
[11:17] <milestone> can that be done with k3b?
[11:18] <intelikey> kim only clue i can/did offer is that in kde you have to "apply" changes   even if the test page went ok.
[11:18] <kim> intelikey: ah. its just refusing to print pdfs. weirdd
[11:18] <intelikey> and yeah it's strange as a five legged chicken
[11:19] <kim> intelikey: OoO prints fine
[11:28] <LooSe> speaking of printing
[11:29] <LooSe> i have a laser printer attached to my fileserver thats running xubuntu 7.04 and using ipp with a cups backend
[11:30] <LooSe> how can i set it up so that i can manage the queue locally without having to log into the cups admin page
[11:30] <LooSe> ie using kde print
[11:32] <LooSe> argh my legs
[11:32] <LooSe> lol @ five legged chicken
[11:32] <intelikey> Choose a topic from the table of contents or search   this page by pressing Ctrl+F in your browser and entering a search term. <<< isn't that just a little presumptsious    some browsers don't map ^F to a search this page command....   (taken from the ubuntu common questions page, first paragraph)
[11:33] <intelikey> LooSe maybe   kprinter
[11:34] <LooSe> well i added the printer locally using kprinter...but due to the secondhand nature of the printer i have to continually delete jobs from the queue
[11:34] <intelikey> i assume that the writer assumed that the reader would be using ff
[11:34] <intelikey> LooSe isn't there a kcontrol access for that ?
[11:37] <LooSe> yeah but it only sits there as its being sent to the server
[11:37] <LooSe> once it gets to the server i cant do anything
[11:37] <LooSe> ie only shows the local queue
[11:38] <AzAel> yay i got my nick back
[11:38] <intelikey> right.  well then i don't know of anyway to admin the remote without logging into cups page
[11:39] <homoludens> is there a good url snipping program for online media streams under linux?
[11:39] <AzAel> and here i was thinking you were an incarnation of the all knowing god odin
[11:39] <intelikey> azael http://127.0.0.1:631
[11:40] <AzAel> pfft thats the local cups instance
[11:40] <intelikey> AzAel me doesn't think odin knows very much.....
[11:40] <AzAel> so odin should get a refund and get his eye back
[11:40] <intelikey> AzAel :)
[11:41] <AzAel> well kde 4 has been fun
[11:42] <AzAel> though at the moment its more of a gimmick than anything
[11:42] <aasensuio> salut
[11:42] <AzAel> i can see the HUGE potential
[11:43] <AzAel> greetings aasensuio
[11:44] <intelikey> !fr | aasensuio if you need it;
[11:44] <ubotu> aasensuio if you need it;: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:44] <aasensuio> ok thanks
[11:45] <AzAel> though the taskbar annoys the utter %**# out of me
[11:51] <intelikey> "Ubuntu provides users with a way to deploy Debian with security fixes, release critical bug fixes, a consistent desktop interface, and to never be more than six months away from the latest version of anything in the open source world."  <<< am i reading that correctly ?    ubuntu is debian ???   (source http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship )
[11:52] <AzAel> yes based
[11:52] <intelikey> read it agian  ^
[11:52] <intelikey> "Ubuntu provides users with a way to deploy Debian" <<< ?
[11:55] <homoludens> guys, is anyone here using a panasonic laptop? (in japan's it's known as "let's note", but i think abroad it's called a "toughbook").
[11:55] <homoludens> i've got some problems with the standby/hibernation modes under kubuntu gutsy.
[11:55] <AzAel> yeah well ubuntu is debian at its core
[11:59] <AzAel> cyas
[12:11] <Slasher`> hey, does anyone have any idea why xchat won't make the pm windows light up red when someone sends me a message in KDE, it works fine in GNOME but not in KDE - anyone know if there are any fixes for this please?
[12:18] <neeto> does anyone know the cli command for the gdm login manager?
[12:19] <intelikey> neeto ?
[12:19] <intelikey> gdm
[12:19] <neeto> yes
[12:19] <neeto> lol
[12:19] <intelikey> gdm is the command, what do you want to do with it ?
[12:19] <neeto> stupid me, asking in kubuntu :/
[12:19] <neeto> sorry guys
[12:20] <intelikey> neeto it's not that.   i just don't understand what you are wanting.
[12:20] <intelikey> it would not matter if you had said kdm,  the problem would be the same.     what is the desired end result ?
[12:21] <neeto> I just need to know the command to open that opens the login manager
[12:21] <intelikey> gdm
[12:21] <neeto> hmm
[12:21] <neeto> I mean, the settings for the login manager
[12:22] <intelikey> ah settings.     the config file is  /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[12:22] <neeto> right, but there is also a GUI settings manager, I want to open that
[12:23] <intelikey> kcontrol  used to provide that to kdm   i'm not sure about gdm though
[12:23] <neeto> gcontrol doesn't work :/
[12:23] <neeto> oh well, thanks
[12:23] <bogdan> vrun roman  ?
[12:23]  * intelikey always just edited the gdm.conf file.
[12:23] <neeto> got it, gdmsetup
[13:08] <Slasher`> .
[13:08] <Slasher`> hey, does anyone have any idea why xchat won't make the pm windows light up red when someone sends me a message in KDE, it works fine in GNOME but not in KDE - anyone know if there are any fixes for this please?
[13:09] <HateCamel> just reinstall and restart windows
[13:14] <bazhang> Slasher`: not sure--konversation is the kde default and it does it nicely
[13:14] <bazhang> HateCamel: have an issue?
[13:16] <dfghdjfhgh> wqerfqwefqwef
[13:17] <dfghdjfhgh> I am testing IRC client, somebody please type something
[13:17] <ardchoille> dfghdjfhgh: I'm glad you explained that :)
[13:18] <dfghdjfhgh> ok
[13:26] <bentob0x> since the X update, anybody faces crashes using wine?
[13:34] <payan> i need help with getting 5.1 sound on a cmedia 8738
[13:35] <payan> please, someone post me a working .asoundrc file
[13:42] <ivenkii> hello
[13:43] <ivenkii> i need some help with ubuntu :)
[13:43] <ivenkii> i access the net via PPPoE connection
[13:43] <ardchoille> ivenkii: Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[13:44] <ivenkii> kubuntu, im a novice user of kubuntu
[13:44] <ardchoille> ok
[13:44] <ivenkii> i need to enter username and password to connect
[13:44] <ivenkii> i dont know how to configure :(
[13:44] <ivenkii> plz help
[13:46] <ivenkii> there?
[13:46] <jpatrick> !ask | ivenkii
[13:46] <ubotu> ivenkii: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[13:46] <jpatrick> !ppp | ivenkii
[13:46] <ivenkii> k thx
[13:46] <ubotu> ivenkii: You want to connect via dial-up? Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DialupModemHowto - Also try disabling/removing KNetworkManager if KDE applications cannot connect using dial-up
[13:46] <ivenkii> and sorry
[13:47] <jpatrick> ivenkii: we're here to help :)
[13:47] <ivenkii> yea  i know
[13:47] <ivenkii> :)
[14:06] <lupul> hi. need som help. i have a windows installation on another hard drive. how can i add it to the grub?
[14:07] <lupul> !grub
[14:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[14:09] <marius__> Hi all, anybody ot an idea of how to get the Vodacom pcmcia modem working on Kubuntu?
[14:13] <lod_> how to use iptables on tcp6
[14:36] <Erzgalo> could somebody help me? I have been having problems with screen resolution, sometimes when I changed it it doesn't do anything until I restart the computer. I think I selected an unsuitable resolution and restarted, and now kubuntu gives me only maximum of 640x480 resolution. Any way to fix this?
[14:55] <osh_> I upgraded my box to gutsy a few minutes ago. Now I can't log in anymore. When KDM is supposed to show the screen goes "black" and the computer hangs. Any idea on how to fix it? I've tried reconfigure xorg.
[15:11] <azlon> how can i change my resolution in KDE?
[15:12] <SlimeyPete> azlon: K menu -> System Settings -> Monitor and Display
[15:14] <azlon> SmileyPete: i dont have Monitor and Display... and my menu says System, not System Settings
[15:14] <azlon> am i missing something?
[15:14] <azlon> crap
[15:14] <azlon> never mind
[15:14] <azlon> i see what you're saying
[15:15] <Roey> Hello
[15:15] <Roey> hey renato
[15:16] <SlimeyPete> welcome, Roey
[15:17] <Roey> I've been trying to get my video card (geforce4 ti4200) accelerated for the longest time, now.  I've installed the -legacy drivers, and have reconfigured X (with the command   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg), but I can't seem to get GLX working!
[15:17] <Roey> What could be wrong?
[15:23] <Weasel[DK]> anyone knows a good network profile switcher ?
[15:29] <mindframe-> will kubuntu 8.10 include kde4?
[15:29] <tekteen> yes
[15:29] <mindframe-> coolstuff :)
[15:29] <bazhang> you can get it now
[15:29] <Tm_T> mindframe-: yes, all Kubuntu versions will include it, from Gutsy
[15:29] <tekteen> it will have both kde 3.5 and 4.0
[15:29] <bazhang> #kubuntu-kde4
[15:29] <jussi01> !kde4 > mindframe-
[15:38] <voicu> what is the file that is executed when a user logs on in kde?
[15:38] <voicu> i want to execute something only when i log into kde
[15:39] <llutz> voicu: put it into ~/.kde/Autostart
[15:39] <voicu> llutz: thanks
[15:40] <voicu> so it runs all files in there?
[15:40] <Lynoure> voicu: they need to be as bash scripts, but yes
[15:40] <llutz> yes, it should
[15:40] <voicu> hmm, ok
[15:40] <voicu> thanks
[15:40] <Lynoure> (or, well, shell scripts)
[15:40] <llutz> or symlinks
[15:40] <voicu> yeah, i got it
[15:40] <Lynoure> voicu: oh, .desktop files also work
[15:41] <voicu> .desktop as in shortcuts on the desktop
[15:41] <voicu> ?
[15:42] <Lynoure> voicu: as in menu entries. You can just drag one to Autostart and it should be fine
[15:42] <voicu> nah, i trust bash scripts more
[15:43] <voicu> plus, the're more dynamic
[15:43] <_hufi_> hey
[15:44] <Jeroi> how to kill thunderbird?
[15:45] <voicu> use a console
[15:45] <_hufi_> top
[15:45] <voicu> ps -A|grep thunderbird
[15:45] <voicu> kill <process_number>
[15:45] <_hufi_> open the console and type "top"
[15:45] <voicu> or use top
[15:46] <voicu> i personally don't like it, it's too crowded :P
[15:46] <_hufi_> i think he dosent know the id of the prozess
[15:48] <_hufi_> have you opened top?
[15:51] <pp> hola
[15:51] <pp> kubuntu en spanish ?
[15:52] <pp> hola
[15:52] <pp> kubuntu en espanol
[15:52] <pp> ?
[15:52] <llutz> !es
[15:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[15:52] <pp> hello to alls
[15:52] <_hufi_> !en
[15:52] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[15:53] <_hufi_> i speak german but i like it here
[15:53] <_hufi_> so i am here =)
[15:54] <voicu> well i speak romanian but there are no people in the ro channels so i'm here :P
[15:54] <voicu> but i do like it here :D
[15:55] <todobg> amarok2 is out ?
[15:55] <_hufi_> finally
[15:55] <_hufi_> i hope he is more stabile
[15:56] <todobg> i think he is in kde repo or i miss something
[15:57] <_hufi_> i use KDE
[15:58] <todobg> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2-uKv6zd54 :)
[15:58] <Vermux> jpatrick: how do I check if I have openssh-server installed?
[15:59] <llutz> apt-cache policy openssh-server
[15:59] <genii> apt-cache policy openssh-server
[15:59] <genii> llutz: Durn!~
[15:59] <llutz> *g
[15:59] <Vermux> none is installed
[15:59] <Vermux> how do I install that?
[16:00] <genii> Vermux: Then sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[16:00] <Vermux> sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[16:00] <genii> Vermux: Yes
[16:00] <Vermux> hehe
[16:00] <Vermux> ok
[16:00] <Vermux> thanks
[16:00] <_hufi_> sexy....
[16:01] <_hufi_> no my one is simple
[16:01] <_hufi_> i have to go
[16:02] <tung> Is there any alternative to shockwave. I'm using kubuntu and don't know how to access a website with shockwave.
[16:02] <mixed> anyone in here plays quake?
[16:03] <Kohlrabi> of course :)
[16:04] <genii> tung: No linux shockwave yet. There is an online petition for Adobe to make one if you like I can find you the url and put your name there
[16:04] <mixed> Kohlrabi, you know how to bind commands on Quake III so you don thave to configure your system on every server?
[16:05] <genii> tung: http://www.petitiononline.com/linuxswp/petition.html
[16:05] <tung> genii: thanks
[16:05] <Kohlrabi> mixed: there should be a *.cfg in the quake folders
[16:05] <genii> tung: Every name counts
[16:06] <Kohlrabi> mixed: I use ioquake3, so my config is in my personal folder
[16:06] <Roey> I've been trying to get my video card (geforce4 ti4200) accelerated for the longest time, now.  I've installed the -legacy drivers, and have reconfigured X (with the command   sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg), but glxgears indicates that GLX isn't loaded!     What could be wrong?
[16:07] <mixed> Kohlrabi, what's that?  Is it a utility you downloaded to configure your distro for quake?
[16:09] <colo> nv20 should run with non-legacy quite fine, I think
[16:10] <mixed> Kohlrabi, I think I'm supposed to have an autoconfig.cfg , i'ts been a while since I've played Quake, it worked just find in redmond, why do must I configure my distro on ever f**n server I join???????????//
[16:13] <Vermux> jpatrick: how do I reverse rsync -av....?
[16:14] <Vermux> jpatrick: in other words, how do I restore the settings in the recieving end?
[16:15] <Vermux> genii: ^
[16:16] <Vermux> who can help with rsync?
[16:19] <kaminix> Again... anyone know a way to convert .sub to .srt?
[16:19] <Vermux> genii: there?
[16:20] <_Vermux> who can help with rsync?
[16:21] <kaminix> Cool, this should be in the repos. :) http://www.robelix.com/sub2srt/
[16:21] <Tm_T> !repeat | _Vermux
[16:21] <ubotu> _Vermux: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[16:23] <_Vermux> I 've just transfered all settings from one computer to the other with rsync -av userfolder Userlogin@OtherComputerIP:/home. and it ruined everything. Hoe do I restore home folder on the recieving computer to what it was before the transfer?
[16:24] <osh_> I upgraded my box to gutsy a few hours ago. Now I can't log in anymore. When KDM is supposed to show the screen goes "black" and the computer hangs. Any idea on how to fix it? I've tried reconfigure xorg.
[16:25] <wad> Hi, folks. I plugged in a USB scanner to my linux laptop, and nothing happens. I need a starting point, to learn how to make this work. Help?
[16:25] <kaminix> Could not detect The.Show.Must.Go.On.2007.DVDRip.XviD.CD1-PosTX.sub format!   <--- Any ideas what the problem might be?
[16:26] <mixed> anyone know if Logitech joysticks are supported in kubuntu?
[16:26] <Tm_T> should be
[16:32] <_Vermux> Help! I have just transfered all settings from one computer to the other with rsync -av userfolder Userlogin@OtherComputerIP:/home. and it ruined everything. How do I restore home folder on the recieving computer to what it was before the transfer?
[16:39] <genii> _Vermux: Ouch. I'm not sure that's reversible
[16:40] <_Vermux> genii: the issues from the old machine were transfered to the new one
[16:41] <number21pix__> does anyone use kdenlive? i have a render problem
[16:42] <jpatrick> _Vermux: it shouldn't have removed the other ones
[16:43] <genii> jpatrick: I think --archive will overwrite if file is newer
[16:43] <_Vermux> jpatrick: it did not removed. I replaced the user with a user. I figure out it was mistake
[16:44] <jpatrick> Vermux: did you remember to cd .. from the home dir of the user?
[16:44] <Vermux> yes
[16:44] <jpatrick> so, what exactly went wrong?
[16:45] <Vermux> jpatrick: remember, I had a resolution problem on the old machine. the problem was transfered to the new one
[16:45] <Vermux> jpatrick: and I have the feeling that more issues were transfered
[16:45] <Vermux> jpatrick: maybe it is better to delluser and adduser ?
[16:45] <jpatrick> Vermux: it should have only transfered your stuff arross
[16:46] <Vermux> jpatrick: but it changed my resolution
[16:46] <jpatrick> Vermux: then try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:47] <Vermux> jpatrick: what is it?
[16:48] <Vermux> ls
[16:48] <jpatrick> Vermux: it reconfigures your X server
[16:48] <Vermux> jpatrick: I tried it on the old computer. didnt solve the problem
[16:50] <_eMaX_> hi all
[16:50] <blizzzek> hi
[16:51] <_eMaX_> earlier last year I had an option to "make rpm" to build a kernel. Now it tells me, "no rule to make 'rpm'" - has anything changed in the kernel build system?
[16:56] <kaminix^> How do I make mkfs pretend to make a filesystem? I think that was supposed to work to retrieve the superblocks and stuff.
[16:58] <tekstacy> If I install alongside XP, will I have full access to the ntfs partition?
[17:00] <tekstacy> ahh, nevermind, I found it. :)
[17:10] <kaminix^> I've done this before, but I don't remember how. How did I solve this?
[17:10] <kaminix^> e2fsck 1.40.2 (12-Jul-2007)
[17:10] <kaminix^> mybook: recovering journal
[17:10] <kaminix^> fsck.ext3: unable to set superblock flags on mybook
[17:14] <frojnd> I need some linux help here
[17:14] <kaminix^> We all do.
[17:14] <frojnd> In command line, I need to figure it out what's the name of PID 6 process. BUT I only need to know just this PID's name. Not all
[17:14] <frojnd> :)
[17:14] <kaminix^> Hmm... sorry, can't help ya with that one. :(
[17:15] <genii> kaminix^: debugfs may help to set the new superblock. Third post here shows how: http://sysadminforum.com/t191461.html
[17:15] <frojnd> if I do px -A | grep 6 will ofcourse the first name be of PID 6 but it also shows others that 6 is in it's names..
[17:15] <kaminix^> genii: Thanks, I'll take a look.
[17:16] <genii> maybe: ps ax|grep " 6 "
[17:17] <kaminix^> genii: This exactly what I did: # fsck.ext3 -b superblock_location /dev/XXX, but it tells me it fails to set superblock flag :s
[17:18] <genii> kaminix^: I think you are supposed to make "XXX" into the dev name of course
[17:19] <kaminix^> genii: Yeah, I did all that before I asked. It's when I type that command I get the error msg I posted above. :/
[17:19] <kaminix^> I have these three commands:
[17:19] <kaminix^> sudo fsck.ext3 -b 71663616 /dev/sdb1
[17:19] <kaminix^> sudo fsck.ext3 -b 78675968 /dev/sdb1
[17:19] <kaminix^> sudo fsck.ext3 -b 102400000 /dev/sdb1
[17:20] <genii> kaminix^: Ah.ok. Try no spave between -b and the number.eg:  sudo fsck.ext3 -b71663616 /dev/sdb1
[17:20] <genii> *space
[17:21] <kaminix^> Same error genii :(
[17:21] <genii> kaminix^: Bah. No immediate idea then.
[17:21] <kaminix^> Meeeeh, I know I did this like a month ago :p
[17:25] <genii> kaminix^: Did you try:   sudo debugfs                  then at the debugfs prompt,: ssv status 1                       then: quit
[17:25] <kaminix^> genii: Nope.
[17:26] <kaminix^> What does it do?
[17:26] <hungrymouse> is there any way to run a proper instance of windows under linux? and i dont mean wine or whatever.
[17:27] <biovore> hungrymouse: virtualization.. vmware/qemu/vituralbox
[17:27] <genii> kaminix^: If you read the post there, you would know. It sets the filesystem to be marked clean even if it isn't.
[17:28] <kaminix^> Hrm... I guess I'll go through the thing step by step.
[17:28] <hungrymouse> thanks biovore
[17:29] <palash> hi ppl
[17:29] <kaminix^> What's blockcount?
[17:32] <jussi01> 2
[17:32] <genii> kaminix^: You actually don't usually need the blockcount, it should autodetect. blockcount is the size of the chunks in blocks that your filesystem is formatted in.
[17:32] <kaminix^> It seems to be mounting as ext2 :o
[17:32] <jussi01> !vmware | hungrymouse
[17:32] <ubotu> hungrymouse: VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[17:33] <genii> kaminix^: Yes. If you paid attention there, they are converting to ext2 to rebuild the journalling part of the ext3 then converting it back to ext3
[17:34] <nicola_> hy, i need help to install flashplayer and java....some help?
[17:35] <kaminix^> Oh, the two posts are related? I thought they did that in one post and what I'm doing in the other. :o
[17:37] <nicola_> do anyone help me???
[17:38] <simion314_> hi, i want an application for recoding the screen for video tutorials, any suggestions?
[17:39] <jussi01> !info krecordmydesktop
[17:39] <ubotu> krecordmydesktop (source: krecordmydesktop): kde frontend to recordmydesktop. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1~alpha1+debian-1 (gutsy), package size 75 kB, installed size 300 kB
[17:39] <jussi01> simion314_: ^
[17:40] <sigma_1234> can i create a symbolic link to a directory on another hard drive?
[17:43] <pag> sigma_1234, I'd say yes... ln -s /path/to/sourcedir /path/to/target
[17:43] <genii> sigma_1234: You can create symlinks to any file or directory which is mounted.
[17:43] <genii> sigma_1234: You cannot make symlinks to something like /dev/sdz1/somefile
[17:44] <sigma_1234> thanks. was worried i couldnt do it to a directory
[17:46] <TuXman> !purekde
[17:46] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[17:47] <TuXman> thanks ubuntu bot!
[17:47] <eagles051387> hey guys im having some issues booting onto the gutsy live cd
[17:48] <eagles051387> can anyone help me
[17:48] <TuXman> ... hm, did you checksum it before you burned it?
[17:48] <SlimeyPete> what's the problem?
[17:48] <eagles051387> ive used it on another machine it works
[17:48] <eagles051387> could it be that im on a tablet pc
[17:49] <simion314_> jussi01: what ? ^?
[17:49] <SlimeyPete> eagles0513875: we don't know until you tell us more about the problem :)
[17:49] <TuXman> I doubt it, Ubuntu usually runs on everything that has good enough specs.
[17:49] <TuXman> but we all knew that.
[17:49] <SlimeyPete> tablet PCs are just standard PC laptops inside, mind
[17:49] <SlimeyPete> so...unlikely to be a problem
[17:49] <TuXman> eggsactly.
[17:50] <eagles0513875> i let it load and for some reason no desktop loads it just displays a bright color and thats it. i also when i hit ctrl f1 it says bios bug #81 dunno what that means
[17:50] <eagles0513875> if i can get onto the live cd and install im getting rid of vista for a while or at least duel boot with it
[17:51] <TuXman> yay kill Vista! M$ is carp!
[17:51] <eagles0513875> lol
[17:51] <eagles0513875> if i have issues with world of warcraft and wine on here im goign to need vista
[17:52] <eagles0513875> im on it right now cuz i cant even get onto the live cd. had to hunt down an irc client and go from there to get on here
[17:52] <TuXman> WoW works well in wine from what I hear, as it only requires the disk to install, not to play.
[17:52] <parkin> wow should work well with wine
[17:53] <parkin> otherwise you may try cedega
[17:53] <eagles0513875> i know that but this is a laptop we r takling bout
[17:53] <SlimeyPete> eagles0513875: hmm odd... I would google for your bios if I were you and check if there are any known incompatibilities with Linux
[17:53] <eagles0513875> i have a 6150 geforce go on this thing
[17:53] <eagles0513875> i was able to boot it off the live cd once
[17:53] <eagles0513875> how do i turn off dma when booting off the live cd
[17:53] <TuXman> I have a GeForce FX 5200 and it works LOL
[17:53] <eagles0513875> my desktop it works fine with a 6600gt
[17:54] <eagles0513875> i know it works but im not sure if it wil work on my laptop
[17:54] <eagles0513875> it didnt even work on my last laptop
[17:54] <hasse_> hey, i have a thinkpad t61p, with a nvidia graphic card, and it's possible to run 1920x1200, but i cant get the drivers to do that, when i use nvidia-settings it can update to that resolution , but if i restart X it's back to low resolutioin
[17:55] <eagles0513875> whats anyones take ona geforce go 6150 card and chipset
[17:56] <adz21c> hasse_: the settings are not saved to your configs, are you selecting applying to configs?
[17:56] <eagles0513875> ardchoille how can i turn off dma when trying to boot off live cd
[17:57] <adz21c> hasse_: "Save to X Configuration File"
[17:57] <eagles0513875> how do i turn off dma when booting off the live cd
[17:59] <jussi01> !repeat | eagles0513875
[17:59] <ubotu> eagles0513875: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[18:00] <kaminix^> genii: fsck is doing some stuff with blocks, it's taking up all my memory. This crashed my laptop earlier today... what do I do? :s
[18:00] <hasse_> adz21c, yes it's saved,
[18:00] <azlon> i have an external HD which i plugged in via USB, but Kubuntu doesnt recognize it
[18:00] <azlon> how can i mount it?
[18:00] <artur_> which one is better? Sodipodi or Inkscape ?
[18:00] <genii> kaminix^: Wait
[18:01] <eagles0513875> kaminix^ try this
[18:01] <azlon> sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /media/sdc1 fat32 ??
[18:01] <genii> kaminix^: It's reordering the drive
[18:01] <eagles0513875> kaminix^ sudo shutdown -F -r now that will force an fsck at boot it shouldnt crash then
[18:01] <kaminix^> But it will crash, it takes up all my mem and all my swap!
[18:01] <jussi01> artur_: I like inkscape
[18:01] <eagles0513875> kaminix^ sudo shutdown -F -r now that will force an fsck at boot it shouldnt crash then
[18:01] <eagles0513875> try that it shoudlnt crash on ya that wya
[18:01] <kaminix^> eagles0513875: Why wouldn't it crash if it does it on boot? :s
[18:01] <Mysticstar> WHERE can I find HOW to upgrade to a new version of Kubuntu without LOSING all my file
[18:02] <eagles0513875> kaminix^ u dont have anything loaded into memory yet
[18:02] <eagles0513875> and it doesnt have the desktop environment to deal with either
[18:03] <kaminix^> But it was taking up a full gigabyte of swap + some of the 512MB ram? :s
[18:04] <max32167> help
[18:04] <eagles0513875> it could also be its trying to reorganize files that r locked. also thats why its suggested to run fsck during boot nothing is being locked by the user or the os
[18:04] <max32167> ++  -I -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -MD -c -O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer   -ftemplate-depth-35 unix_chunker_yacc.cpp -o unix_chunker_yacc.orst
[18:04] <max32167> In file included from ChunkParser.h:10,
[18:04] <max32167>                  from chunker.y:6:
[18:04] <max32167> MyFlexLexer.h:4:24: error: FlexLexer.h: No such file or directory
[18:04] <clf-toronto> hi, is adept mgr connected to apt-*?
[18:04] <sub[t]rnl> !upgrade > Mysticstar
[18:04] <max32167> how do install m4 library ?
[18:05] <eagles0513875> clf-toronto yes it is
[18:05] <sub[t]rnl> clf-toronto➜ yes, its a front end
[18:05] <artur_> jussi01: Thnx. both are used for the same kind of task, right?
[18:05] <max32167> also please help install yacc and flex package
[18:05] <max32167> sudo get ... ?
[18:05] <clf-toronto> i downloaded a dvd of kubuntu 6.06lts, then i installed it, and it was the basic install, so i am now trying to get more apps off of the dvd
[18:05] <eagles0513875> clf-toronto u have to download them from the repositories
[18:05] <sub[t]rnl> max32167➜ sudo apt-get install <packages>
[18:06] <clf-toronto> does that mean there's a adept mgr equivalent of apt-cdrom add?
[18:06] <MGalaxy> PLZ suggest me a PDF-Printer+JPG,PNG, ....Printer
[18:06] <theunixgeek> Hi. I want to create a very simple database in OpenOffice.org Base to store words, their definitions, synonyms, and antonyms. Could anyone either step me through it or point me to a tutorial?
[18:06] <eagles0513875> clf-toronto adept is same as apt apt is the command line side and adept is the front end gui so u dont have to know command line commands
[18:06] <max32167> sub[t]rnl how do i find package name?
[18:06] <max32167> can you find it for me??
[18:06] <sub[t]rnl> max32167➜ apt-cache search <package>
[18:06] <max32167> thanx
[18:07] <max32167> you've helped me a lot
[18:07] <max32167> m4 - a macro processing language
[18:07] <max32167> i found it
[18:07] <sigma_1234> is there a pdf creator version for linux?
[18:08] <sub[t]rnl> clf-toronto➜ apt-cdrom is built into adept manager, just add a cdrom in the repo manager on the gui
[18:08] <clf-toronto> are tags like "package groups" in RH speak?
[18:09] <clf-toronto> sub[t]rnl: coool, but how?
[18:09] <max32167> what is common notepad name in linux>?
[18:09] <sigma_1234> !pdf
[18:09] <clf-toronto> by the way thanks for being so helpful
[18:09] <ubotu> pdf is the Portable Document Format created by Adobe; viewable in GNU/Linux with xpdf/kpdf/evince, and also adobe reader (free download, but closed source)
[18:09] <clf-toronto> i really appreciate everyone's time
[18:09] <clf-toronto> sub[t]rnl: because there's a field: New Repository:
[18:09] <sub[t]rnl> clf-toronto➜ open adept manager then adept -> manage repositories -> third party software -> add cdrom
[18:09] <clf-toronto> is that where I would type in cdrom, and then hit the Apply button?
[18:10] <zeropointo> Why do so many updates fail? (Adept)
[18:11] <sigma_1234> dont update!
[18:11] <TuXman> yeah..
[18:11] <TuXman> whynot?
[18:11] <TuXman> wynaut?
[18:12] <zeropointo> sigma_1234: that's essentially where i'm at with it.
[18:12] <clf-toronto> sub[t]rnl: (there's no Third Party software button or field in Adept Mgr)
[18:13] <clf-toronto> sub[t]rnl: but i think i do see the result of my apt-cdrom add.
[18:13] <zeropointo> i can't trust any update because so many fail.
[18:13] <clf-toronto> there's a cdrom:[Kubuntu 6.06.1 _Dapper Drake_ - Release i386 (20060807)]/ listed
[18:13] <sigma_1234> because you're more likely to break something than fix anything
[18:13] <zeropointo> some times causing damage
[18:13] <clf-toronto> so whoever said apt-get and adept mgr is tied together is totally right :-)
[18:13] <theunixgeek> Anyone good with OpenOffice.org Base and would like to help a newbie? :)
[18:13] <zeropointo> yeah i've noticed that
[18:13] <zeropointo> sigma_1234: what the hells up with that?
[18:15] <sigma_1234> its hard to create updates that work for everyone. thats just how software is
[18:16] <zeropointo> well most of them are failing during the update process.
[18:16] <zeropointo> leaving changes unfinished
[18:16] <zeropointo> the majority work fine
[18:16] <zeropointo> a select few leave my system fk'd up.
[18:16] <sigma_1234> why not just update when new releases come out?
[18:17] <theunixgeek> !language | zeropointo
[18:17] <ubotu> zeropointo: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[18:17] <zeropointo> because i'm a completist?
[18:17] <sigma_1234> 6months is really not a long time to wait
[18:17] <vermux> why cant I go into administrative mode in System settings? I enter the password, but it never goes into the administrative mode. I've just deluser and add that user
[18:18] <zeropointo> I simply installed Kubuntu on a virtual machine to try out KDE4.
[18:18] <sigma_1234> try using kcontrol instead of system settings
[18:19] <zeropointo> i'm an american 6 minutes are a long time.
[18:20] <zeropointo> try waiting for a kidney for 6 months :P
[18:20] <zeropointo> OS upgrades are no less important. imho
[18:20] <zeropointo> haha
[18:20] <elmokhtar> vbn
[18:22] <clf-toronto> too bad ubuntuforums.org is pwned, i can't read any articles
[18:22] <zorglu_> q. will kubuntu 8.04 default to kde4 or kde3 ?
[18:22] <clf-toronto> is ubuntuforums.org working for yall?
[18:22] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: i read 4
[18:22] <clf-toronto> *shrug*
[18:22] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: hmm uncool
[18:23] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: why is kde4 uncool?
[18:23] <Lopin> Okay...  I need help with server, and no one will help me in Ubuntu.  I keep hanging on install...
[18:23] <neville> Is it just me, or is it that after that last xserver update, it keeps blitzing itself and dumping me back to the login screen every so often?
[18:23] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: unstable dev code
[18:23] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: what are you doing at work that requires so much stability?
[18:24] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: not at all ready to be used daytoday in a work env
[18:24] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: i use my boxes to work :)
[18:24] <clf-toronto> you haven't answered my question, WHAT do you do at work
[18:24] <zorglu_> ?
[18:24] <clf-toronto> WHAT do you do, you can't trust to kde4
[18:25] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: im a programmer. but how is that relevant
[18:25] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: i need my computer to work
[18:25] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: no crash :) so no kde4 :)
[18:25] <clf-toronto> you make it sound like kde4 is in alpha and they are bundling alpha code w/ ubuntu
[18:25] <zeropointo> KDE4 worked fine for me.
[18:25] <zorglu_> good for you :)
[18:25] <zeropointo> But it was a boring change.
[18:25] <zorglu_> i crashed it twice in 20min :)
[18:26] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: you are making a lot of noise out of nothing
[18:26] <zeropointo> Not nearly as exciting as I was expecting.
[18:26] <clf-toronto> imho
[18:26] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: you are entitled to your opinion
[18:26] <zorglu_> now i need to be sure 8.04 will default to kde3
[18:26] <zeropointo> I think the interface was less "cool" than KDE3
[18:26] <zorglu_> kde4
[18:27] <zeropointo> i'd rank it a 3 out of 5 on the coolometer.
[18:27] <zorglu_> i just want it not to crash :)
[18:27] <zorglu_> the 'coolness' doesnt interest me much :)
[18:27] <Onyx> I'm trying to select a different style for the domino theme... anyone know how to do this?  it's been a while...
[18:27] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: perhaps it is best to use a older ubuntu version, and use kde4 and 8.04 on a spare box until you feel it will serve you fine
[18:27] <Vermux> ok, so this is the problem:  I just deluser and adduser. In gui I tried to open Adept_manager. it asked me for the password but dissapeared!
[18:28] <zeropointo> but cool is everything that's why people are upgrading to vista isn't it?
[18:28] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: currenlty kde4.1 is planned around end-summer 2008
[18:28] <zeropointo> and KDE4 is trying to immitate Vista & OSX right?
[18:28] <Onyx> zeropointo: Downgrading.
[18:28] <zeropointo> Less Vista, more OSX would be a good thing imo.
[18:29] <zeropointo> KDE and GNOME should rip off OSX as much as possible.
[18:29] <zorglu_> zeropointo: the widget are ultra close to vista one tho:)
[18:29] <clf-toronto> speaking of KDE, i filled out the inquiry form at TrollTech to purchase Qt Desktop for Windows and Mac, and the sales person called me back adn say we have to talk over the phone.
[18:29] <clf-toronto> This sounds like one of those situations where they grab you by the feet, and shake until all of the money falls out.
[18:30] <clf-toronto> Qt Desktop either has a list price or it's consultantware, TT needs to figure out where they are on this.
[18:32] <tzd> i need help with installing a few window managers (iceWM, WindowMaker and Blackbox) in Kubuntu if that's possible?
[18:32] <Vermux> Who can help?  I just deluser and adduser. In gui I tried to open Adept_manager. it asked me for the password but dissapeared!
[18:33] <JuJuBee> Anybody know of software that will remove pdf password and convert pdf to a openoffice or word document?  I find a few for windows, but none for linux
[18:34] <neville> Just try the Windows ones in Wine
[18:34] <clf-toronto> how do I install enough to do C++ development? In Adept Mgr I see something called tags.
[18:34] <clf-toronto> Is there a tag that will do this?
[18:35] <zorglu_> !build-essentials
[18:35] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[18:35] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: install the above
[18:36] <JuJuBee> ChArLoK_16 : that will only remove passwd. I found a cheaper one for windows.
[18:36] <Vermux> Who can help?  I just deluser and adduser. In gui I tried to open Adept_manager. it asked me for the password but dissapeared!
[18:37] <clf-toronto> zorglu_: so build-essential is it?
[18:37] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: yep it is a metapackage for that
[18:37] <clf-toronto> then from there maybe add a emacs for X and I am good to go?
[18:37] <clf-toronto> zorglu_++
[18:38] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: this package will give you the usual tools to build. if you want a text editor, this is up to you :)
[18:38] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: personnaly i use eclipse + cdt for writing c++
[18:38] <clf-toronto> zorglu_ you are a beautiful man, thanks
[18:38] <zorglu_> clf-toronto: not necessarly the best but i know it
[18:39] <Vermux> which tool is the best in Kubunutu for adding users?
[18:40] <archtux> just use kcontrol
[18:40] <archtux> or systemsettings
[18:42] <Vermux> archtux: ok, when I go to user management in system settings and click on administrative mode, nothing happans
[18:43] <basy> when i set timeout of screensaver to 1minute in dafalt desktop settings... my screensaver did nit start after 1 minutr but black screen starts after 5 minutes... Any idea where or what to set? i am on kubuntu 7.10 65bit...
[18:43] <archtux> you should get a pop-up to enter your password
[18:43] <archtux> and then you can add remove users
[18:43] <Vermux> archtux: I did not get one
[18:43] <clf-toronto> a lot of goodness in the comunity docs, i am going to spend some time reading
[18:43] <clf-toronto> bbiab
[18:43] <archtux> well that is the reason why i use archlinux at the moment
[18:43] <archtux> sorry cant help you there
[18:44] <Vermux> archtux: who can help me with that?
[18:44] <archtux> what kind of usermanagement do you want to do
[18:44] <flipmode> I just installed a new dvd writer and cant get it to read any ideas? Kubuntu 7.10
[18:45] <archtux> cause everything can allso bur done from the commandline wich is easier and faster then kcontrol or systemsettings
[18:45] <Vermux> There was an error saving the image: /home/UserName/.face.icon
[18:46] <michaelnovakjr> does anyone know a fix for the problem with adept commit changes? Basically failing while trying to install a package
[18:48] <sirina> moin moin
[18:48] <sirina> to all of the ppl here: tryin to start kontact gives me this error: "kontact: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeprint.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" <-- do you know, what and the "shared object file" is and where it can be found?
[18:48] <ibilic> I cannot write to my USB flash memory
[18:48] <ibilic> i can read it though
[18:48] <Vermux> archtux: something is not working well here
[18:48] <ibilic> any ideas?
[18:49] <Vermux> when I go to user management in system settings and click on administrative mode, nothing happans
[18:52] <archtux> ibilic: check your permissions
[18:52] <lewis> hi
[18:53] <archtux> sorry Vermux i have to go, dont know a solution for your problem at this moment
[18:53] <Vermux> archtux: thanks for trying
[18:54] <eagles0513875> now i have another problem
[18:55] <eagles0513875> i some how managed to get onto the desktop but for some reason during install my system locked up restarted and have not been able to get back on teh live cd
[18:55] <eagles0513875> whats the difference between regular iso and the alternative
[18:55] <neville> Alternative gives you text installer
[18:56] <neville> Don't think it has live component, which makes it suited to weaker hardware
[18:56] <eagles0513875> neville do u have any idea why my machine will only boot into the desktop
[18:56] <eagles0513875> once in a while
[18:56] <eagles0513875> i checked the cd for defects which it has none
[18:56] <neville> Tried safe graphics mode?
[18:56] <eagles0513875> yes i tried both normal
[18:56] <eagles0513875> and
[18:56] <neville> How much RAM do you have
[18:56] <eagles0513875> but some reason sometimes with either or i get my screen just displaying bright colors
[18:56] <eagles0513875> 2gb
[18:57] <eagles0513875> i have vista on here so i need the ram
[18:57] <sirina> lol
[18:57] <eagles0513875> whats so funny sirina
[18:57] <neville> And, when it doesn't make it to the Desktop, does it leave you on the command line?
[18:57] <eagles0513875> nope
[18:57] <sirina> vista is funny.
[18:57] <eagles0513875> fin suxs
[18:58] <neville> What does it do then, when it doesn't make it to the desktop
[18:58] <Tm_T> !ot
[18:58] <jussi01> eagles0513875: I suggest you try the alternate cd
[18:58] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[18:59] <eagles0513875> could it be a compatibility issue with the processor
[18:59] <eagles0513875> im also getting bios error #81
[18:59] <noaXess> hi folks
[18:59] <noaXess> wasup
[18:59] <neville> Could be wrong, but try disabling ACPI?
[18:59] <eagles0513875> neville how
[19:00] <neville> In your BIOS
[19:00] <noaXess> how can i insert an extra symol over kde? i have the KCharSelect tool installed and see there the unicode point..
[19:00] <noaXess> for eg. the copyright symbol.. on windows i can press ALT+ 0169
[19:01] <noaXess> how does this work in kde?
[19:01] <eagles0513875> i have a turion x2 tl58 could the processor be causing it cuz i just googled bios error 81 with someone who has a turion in his machine
[19:01] <eagles0513875> but no solution
[19:01] <eagles0513875> ill try disabling acpi in the bios
[19:01] <neville> Okay, fingers crossed
[19:01] <eagles0513875> tell me bout it
[19:01] <Oscar> Hi guys!
[19:01] <Oscar> Is there any way to mount mdf/mds in Linux?
[19:02] <Oscar> Like daemon tools in windows?
[19:03] <JoshOvki> Did you try google first?
[19:03] <JoshOvki> Oscar: http://onlyubuntu.blogspot.com/2007/06/mount-and-unmount-isomdfnrg-images.html
[19:04] <bascule> !info kiso
[19:04] <ubotu> kiso (source: kiso): program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 346 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[19:05] <flipmode> I cant watch movies with a new dvd writer i installed it says cant read disc but plays the disc for about 10 seconds before it tells mr this any ideas?
[19:05] <sui> hi
[19:05] <bascule> it's faulty?
[19:06] <bascule> flipmode: see if it will boot a dvd and run OK for a while
[19:06] <flipmode> It worked in my other computer fine running Ubuntu
[19:06] <earthcreed> Can you do anything else with dvd writer?  Is it a "movie watching specific" problem.
[19:08] <flipmode> bascule: it boots it fine it comes up on desktop but when i try to open it it gives me errors ive tried a number of apps and they all give different errors
[19:10] <bascule> no I meant boot a bootable dvd, like some live distro, ubuntu dvd knoppix dvd, but as earthcreed said can you copy data frim it ok? either of those tests will help find if it is faulty
[19:10] <bascule> flipmode: ^
[19:10] <flipmode> it is playing a cd now fine
[19:11] <flipmode> I wiull try a ubuntu cd
[19:11] <lewis> \
[19:11] <bascule> flipmode: can it burn, it isn't a TSSTcorp thing is it?
[19:11] <bascule> flipmode: no DVD that is important
[19:11] <bascule> it could play cds all night long and still be faulty with dvds
[19:12] <flipmode> it is reading the ubuntu live disc fine it opens in a new window with everything on the cd
[19:12] <flipmode> I have no blank discs to try to burn right now
[19:12] <bascule> flipmode: a DVD is what you need to test with, some data DVD
[19:13] <flipmode> bascule: I am at work and have no data dvds here
[19:13] <bascule> oh wel
[19:13] <basy> what can i use for finding special caracters on kubuntu?
[19:13] <flipmode> only videos
[19:13] <earthcreed> Hrm, have you tried setting up to watch DVDs like it says to here? https://help.ubuntu.com/7.10/musicvideophotos/C/video.html
[19:14] <lupul> is there any other software alike beryl?
[19:14] <lupul> !beryl
[19:14] <ubotu> Beryl has been merged with Compiz to form Compiz-Fusion.  New Beryl installs are discouraged. See also !compiz
[19:14] <bascule> basy: kcharselect
[19:14] <earthcreed> Because of encrypted formats you have to jump through hoops to watch commercial movies.
[19:15] <mefisto__> earthcreed: you mean dvds?
[19:15] <earthcreed> Yep
[19:15] <basy> tankx
[19:16] <mefisto__> I never jumped through any hoops, I can watch them fine
[19:17] <bascule> mefisto__: you can watch CSS DVD movies without manually adding medibuntu source?
[19:18] <mefisto__> you mean adding medibuntu sources is jumping through hoops?
[19:18] <bascule> sure, doesn't *just work*
[19:20] <yurik> Hi, did anyone experienced locale problems in KDE4? When I login into KDE4 session with KDM4 I get empty LANG variable.
[19:20] <tekteen> !kde4
[19:20] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[19:20] <yurik> tekteen: thanks
[19:20] <tekteen> np
[19:24] <Vermux> who can help? When I go to system settings and try to go to Administrative mode nothing happans
[19:24] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: are you in kde4?
[19:24] <Vermux> kubuntu gusty
[19:24] <tekteen> Vermux: type alt+f2
[19:25] <Vermux> 3.5.2
[19:25] <tekteen> in the box type kdesu systemsettings
[19:26] <Vermux> tekteen: nothing happans
[19:26] <tekteen> when you type alt+f2?
[19:26] <Vermux> no, when I type kdse...
[19:26] <tekteen> kdesu systemsettings
[19:27] <Vermux> tekteen: yes
[19:27] <Vermux> the box dissapears and nothing else happans
[19:27] <tekteen> try kdesu systemsettings
[19:27] <tekteen> kdesudo
[19:27] <tekteen> instead of kdesu
[19:28] <Vermux> tekteen: the same thing
[19:28] <tekteen> ok
[19:28] <nosrednaekim> you may have to click "options->run as root"
[19:28] <Vermux> where?
[19:28] <Vermux> it doesnt let me
[19:29] <Vermux> the Run box is grayed out
[19:29] <Vermux> even though Im typing the root passwd
[19:29] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: on the bottom of the run dialog..
[19:30] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: which command shell I Run?
[19:30] <Vermux> kdesu?
[19:30] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: no, without the kdesu, click options and then run as root before hitting enter
[19:31] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: u mean, run as a different user box?
[19:31] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: i'm not exactly sure.... because I am using kde4.
[19:32] <Vermux> it says incorrect password
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> hrm...
[19:32] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: open a konsole and run "kdesudo systemsettings"
[19:32] <Zombocom> how do I output whatever is playing on my speakers
[19:32] <Zombocom> like it's being heard by my mic?
[19:33] <Vermux> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[19:33] <Vermux> Xlib: No protocol specified
[19:33] <Vermux> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0
[19:33] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: ^
[19:33] <Zombocom> like if I'm playing a song and I want someone I'm calling through my computer to hear it
[19:33] <Zombocom> how do I make it go through the mic thing
[19:33] <genii> kdesu <> kdesudo
[19:33] <Zombocom> is kdesu == kdesudo?
[19:33] <jpatrick> yse
[19:33] <jpatrick> it's syslinked
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> genii: what?
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> Zombocom: hmm no clue.
[19:34] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: too much Visual Basic
[19:34] <nosrednaekim> XD
[19:34] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: ?
[19:35] <Zombocom> lol thanks nosrednaekim
[19:35] <genii> nosrednaekim: "[14:33:03] <Vermux> kdesudo: cannot connect to X server :0"    note kdesudo there and not kdesu
[19:35] <nosrednaekim> genii: and.....
[19:35] <kaminix> genii: Hello again, I rebooted and tried to do the fsck thingie in the cmd thingie, it went suicidal due to memory problems and killed itself. :s
[19:36] <Vermux> genii: ?
[19:36] <genii> kaminix: memory problems? Even if the drive itself went, sholdn't affect the ram
[19:37] <Zombocom> guys
[19:37] <Zombocom> sound card
[19:37] <kaminix> The fsck program took up all my RAM and couldn't continue :p
[19:37] <Zombocom> how do I use
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> !enter
[19:37] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[19:37] <nosrednaekim> Zombocom: ask in #alsa
[19:37] <Zombocom> ah
[19:37] <Zombocom> thanks
[19:37] <genii> Vermux: Just humour me and put instead kdesu instead of kdesudo for it
[19:37] <Zombocom> sorry for using enter as a punctuation
[19:39] <clf-toronto> Zombocom: did you just apologize to a bot?
[19:39] <Vermux> genii: the same problem
[19:39] <clf-toronto> I for one welcome our robotic overlords.
[19:39] <genii> kaminix: Did you try to boot to Recovery kernel and run fsck on it yet?
[19:39] <kaminix> genii: Is there anyway to just... well...rebuild the super block from scratch?
[19:39] <Zombocom> clf-toronto I was apologising to nosrednaekim
[19:39] <tess> hello evbd, first time on irc, can any one explain me ( better if french ^^ )
[19:40] <nosrednaekim> !fr
[19:40] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[19:40] <kaminix> genii: No, but the fsck thingie takes up all my ram :/
[19:40] <tess> thank you - but, was it a bot ??
[19:40] <genii> kaminix: No real way to rebuild a specific superblock. You have to specify the next alternate one to be used. Since it's usually physical damage doing this.
[19:40] <Zombocom> ubotu is a bot
[19:40] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[19:40] <Zombocom> !ubotu
[19:40] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[19:41] <Vermux> who can help? Even though I click on Administrative mode in system settings I never goes into Administrative mode
[19:41] <kaminix> genii: This is not physical. It was an aborted fsck thingie that did this. :/
[19:41] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: try runnign "kdesu systemsettings" from a konsole
[19:41] <genii> Bah, worl AFK a while
[19:41] <osh_> I upgraded my box to gutsy a few hours ago. Now I can't log in anymore. When KDM is supposed to show the screen goes "black" and the computer hangs. Any idea on how to fix it? I've tried reconfigure xorg. I've seen a lot about it in forums but nothing really appropriate. Is there some tutorial somewhere?
[19:43] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: ok, I got this message: Your username is unknown to sudo!
[19:43] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: ah! is this not the original user of the computer?
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> osh_: were you using any proprietary video drivers?
[19:44] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: no, I deleted and added the user again
[19:44] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Don't think so. Not sure though. is there an easy fix?
[19:44] <osh_> nosrednaekim: looking in xorg.conf I seem to have "ati" as the driver, although fglrx is installed on my system.
[19:45] <kaminix> genii: What was the link you sent me earlier?
[19:45] <kaminix> nm, found it. http://sysadminforum.com/t191461.html
[19:45] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: ah ok... you need to add this user to the sudo and admin groups, do "sudo nano /etc/group" ad it should be fairly sefl-explanatory
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> osh_: uninstall that fglrx driver
[19:46] <mefisto__> osh_: did the upgrade completely finish? have you tried to use apt-get to make sure there are no problems and everything is up to date?
[19:46] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Ok, will do.
[19:46] <osh_> mefisto__: The upgrade didn't report any problems.
[19:47] <osh_> mefisto__: So I think it went ok. No extra packages needs to be installed.
[19:48] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: nothing happans when I type it : sudo nano /etc/group
[19:48] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: in a konsole?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: oh... right, because you aren't in the sudo group...
[19:49] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Then what? Just try to start X again?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> uhh oh, dillema here
[19:49] <Vermux> nosrednaekim: yes, in Konsole
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> osh_: what are you loggedinto right now?
[19:50] <osh_> nosrednaekim: rescue-mode. whenever I try to start X the comp "freezes". Hard reset is only option. Annoying.
[19:50] <Jeroi> how to update 64bit system into 32bit?
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> osh_: hmm in recovery mode, run "startx"
[19:50] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: you need to reinstall
[19:51] <Zombocom> alsa does nothing
[19:51] <Jeroi> I dont want to remove all my kubuntu settings in 64bit
[19:51] <Jeroi> just by reinstalling 32bit system
[19:51] <Zombocom> update?
[19:51] <Zombocom> 64 bit is the future
[19:51] <Jeroi> not really
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> Jeroi: back up your /home
[19:51] <osh_> nosrednaekim: did that. freeze again. tried after the "reset" that I had to do in case the fglrx-driver was still loaded as a kernel-module.
[19:51] <Jeroi> as windows 7 will be 32bit still
[19:52] <osh_> Zombocom: Future? I've been running 64-bit for the past 10 yrs or so. :-)
[19:52] <Zombocom> lol
[19:52] <osh_> Zombocom: Not on linux though.
[19:52] <Zombocom> lol
[19:53] <nosrednaekim> osh_: wait... it still happened even after fglrx was no longer in the kernel?
[19:54] <osh_> nosrednaekim: yeah. I purged xorg-somethign-fgrlx and some other fglrx-control but the machine still hangs when trying to start X. tried a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to see if that helps matters.
[19:54] <genii> Jeroi: If you don't want to keep switching back and forth from 32 to 64 you may be interested in getlibs, info is here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790
[19:55] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Could it be problems with the sync-rate because now it looks like the monitor goes into some sort of "sleep" mode. Last I tried it just went black/blank.
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> osh_: ok, so you can't even go to alt+f2?
[19:55] <nosrednaekim> ctrl+alt+f2
[19:55] <Zombocom> guys why does control+alternate+F1 SHOW NOTHING
[19:55] <Zombocom> NOTHING
[19:56] <Zombocom> but a blinking cursor
[19:56] <osh_> nosrednaekim: nope, nothing, no ctrl-alt-f2, no ctrl-alt-backspace, ctrl-alt-delete, completely frozen. :-(
[19:57] <borncrazy> hi
[19:57] <osh_> nosrednaekim: really annoying.
[19:57] <genii> osh_: Are all 3 capslock scroll-lock and numlock lights flashing?
[19:57] <borncrazy> i edited my fonts.conf file and now my fonts looks like this: http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loliz0.png
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> osh_: ouch.... um on next reboot, try looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:58] <borncrazy> what do i do now?
[19:58] <osh_> genii: Not during freeze. They blink breifly during bootup I think, but that's normal behaviour I think.
[19:59] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Got the Xorg-log. What am I looking for? EE? WW?
[19:59] <genii> osh_: Yes, brief blink at boot means motherboard test was good. if all 3 blink on/off repeatedly in a freeze situation it means usually a kernel dump
[20:00] <ubuntu> gm
[20:00] <Marcipicus> I'm having a problem with the automount feature of Kubuntu. When I insert a disc it gets mounted to /media/CDROM instead of /media/cdrom0. Note: Only matters because of apt-cdrom
[20:00] <osh_> genii: Ah, no, no kernel dumps what I can see. Something interesting in Xorg-log though. WW: RADEION: No matching device section for instance. Does that mean anything to you guys?
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> osh_: I don't know... anything that looks wrong :)
[20:01] <osh_> nosrednaekim: See the comment to genii. There's a warning there about RADEON and a device section.
[20:01] <borncrazy> can anyone please help me?
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> osh_: hmmm do device section for the PCID maybe...
[20:01] <nosrednaekim> *no
[20:02] <Dr_willis> Marcipicus,   On my system /media/cdrom is a link to /media/cdrom0 so it dosent matter.
[20:02] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Yeah, I think so. BusID PCI:1:0:1. Something about that. What does that mean?
[20:03] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Also, isn't "RADEON" the proprietary driver?
[20:03] <Marcipicus> it isn't a link though it's an actual directory that gets created when I load the disc  so I don't know why it's doing that
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> no. radeon is the FOSS one
[20:03] <genii> osh_: Looks like an xorg.conf misconfig then eg: No matching device section     <-- in xorg.conf presumably
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> osh_: you say you ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[20:04] <genii> osh_: older radeon driver not proprietary. The newer driver is named fglrx not radeon
[20:04] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Ah. Ok. Good to know. Yes, I did. Just a few minutes ago. In xorg.conf the PCI-section does say  "BusID PCI:1:0:0" which isn't the same as in the xorg-log.
[20:04] <Marcipicus> Dr_Willis: I looked in the fstab and it says my cdrom drives' mount points are /media/cdrom1 and /media/cdrom0
[20:05] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Also, the "Driver" is specified as "ati". Should that be "radeon" instead?
[20:05] <genii> osh_: note mis-spelling of radeon there, eg: RADEION  with an I anlso in uppercase where the actual driver name should be lowercase
[20:05] <osh_> genii: Ok, but the dpkg-reconfigure put "ati" in xorg.conf for me. I didn't choose anything.
[20:06] <genii> osh_: Thats fine. ati driver is the generic. You can manually change ati in there to radeon afterwards if you really have one
[20:06] <Dr_willis> Marcipicus,  look in /media/ not the fstab. It may be your /media/cdrom link is pointing to the other cdrom drive then what you want.
[20:06] <Dr_willis> Marcipicus,  you could always remove the cdrom link. and edit the fstab to make them mount to cdrom if you wanted
[20:07] <osh_> genii: changed it and tried X. Still the black screen that's "frozen". Unfortunatly.
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> osh_: do a lspci and see which bus the card is really on
[20:07] <osh_> nosrednaekim: ATI Thecnologies INC RV350 (Radeon 9800 XT)
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> osh_: for exampe 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP]
[20:08] <genii> osh_: Perhaps you specified wrong bus location as nosrednaekim suggests. Use whatever lspci gives you there
[20:08] <borncrazy> i edited my fonts.conf file and now my fonts looks like this: http://img297.imageshack.us/my.php?image=loliz0.png help me please
[20:08] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Ignore spelling. 01:00.0 according to lspci, that looks about the same as in xorg.conf where it sais 1:0:0 instead.
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> osh_: also, is this a built in card or an external one? if external, do you have an internal?
[20:09] <Marcipicus> Dr_Willis: it isn't the link though. When I insert a disc, the directory /media/CDROM(used ls -l)  is created, which isn't in the fstab so apt-cdrom can't detect it
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> osh_: hmm yes, that looks ok.
[20:09] <osh_> nosrednaekim: it's an external card (meaning not included in the motherboard) it's a normal desktop machine.
[20:10] <Marcipicus> Dr_Willis: sorry, missed your second post. That might work for me actually. thanks
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> osh_: does your motherboard have onboard video?
[20:10] <osh_> nosrednaekim: don't know if I have an internal. lspci | grep -i vga only shows this card.
[20:10] <Dr_willis> Marcipicus,  thats.. odd that its using /media/CDROM not lowercase..
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> osh_: with capital VGA?
[20:11] <Dr_willis> but it may be doing it because you have the 2 drive4s.
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> oh -i.. never mind ;)
[20:11] <osh_> nosrednaekim: =)
[20:11] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Odd that xorg-log complains about PCI 1:0:1 isn't it?
[20:11] <nosrednaekim> osh_: that is so weird....I supopse it would be quite hard for you to pastebin your log file and xorg.conf
[20:11] <Marcipicus> Dr_Willis: I know, it did it to me before and the only way I could fix it was to reinstall and cross my fingers
[20:12] <osh_> nosrednaekim: it's possible. hang on.
[20:12] <nosrednaekim> osh_: that would be most helpful... thanks
[20:14]  * genii passes around some mugs of coffee
[20:14] <Dogface> Hi everyone.  I'm kinda new to Kubuntu.  Does anyone here know for sure if 'DailyStrips' (a comic strip harvesting script) can be installed on a Mac?
[20:14] <Dr_willis> Marcipicus,  gee.. i would of just mounted the cd manually. :) much faster then reinstalling to work around a quirk in the automounting system
[20:14] <Dr_willis> !info DailyStrips
[20:14] <ubotu> dailystrips (source: dailystrips): view web comic strips more conveniently. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.28-4.1 (gutsy), package size 65 kB, installed size 272 kB
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> Dogface: does it have any kinda of GUI?
[20:15] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. depends on what its written in.  :)
[20:15] <Marcipicus> Dr_willis: I know, I had just started working with linux though and it was the fastest solution for me.
[20:16] <mefisto__> any reason why my home dir would not be displaying (in console or konqueror)?
[20:16] <Dr_willis> im wondering how the cdroms get automounted when theres a entry for them in fstab. They must be a special case.
[20:16] <osh_> nosrednaekim: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52918/
[20:16] <theunixgeek> Can I have items in an OpenOffice Base table be numbered?
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[20:17] <Marcipicus> it didn't do it on my laptop, or my friend's computer though so I don't have a clue what causes it
[20:17] <theunixgeek> Allow me to rephrase that: How can I have items in an OpenOffice Base table be numbered.
[20:18] <Marcipicus> how does one find more irc channels?
[20:18] <Dr_willis>  - /list command shows them all
[20:18] <Dr_willis> !channels
[20:18] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[20:18] <Marcipicus> !channels
[20:18] <Dr_willis> There can be several thousand channels if not more on a irc server. :P
[20:19] <osh_> nosrednaekim: did you see my pastebin?
[20:19] <Marcipicus> wicked thanks alot
[20:20]  * osh_ is trying kde4.0.0. It's a very .0 release. 
[20:20] <Dogface> Thanks Dr_Willis   (<Dr_willis> !info DailyStrips)
[20:20]  * osh_ still likes it.
[20:20] <sergi> #catalunya
[20:20] <nosrednaekim> osh_: looking.. yeah I like kde4 :)
[20:20] <sergi> list
[20:20] <osh_> sergi: you need to put a / first.
[20:20] <osh_> sergi: type /list
[20:21] <genii> nosrednaekim: Line 79 of his xorg looks wrong
[20:21] <nosrednaekim> genii: look at lines 209-210.... what the heck?
[20:21] <Marcipicus> is the '/' character a special character for irc in general or just konversation
[20:21] <Dr_willis> !irc
[20:21] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[20:21] <osh_> genii:
[20:21] <osh_> Marcipicus: for irc
[20:21] <Dr_willis>  /nick I_Love_Irc
[20:21] <genii> no wait my eyes are going buggy
[20:22] <nosrednaekim> genii: umm whats wrong with line 79?
[20:22] <azlon> how can i modify an iso image? i want to change the boot file
[20:23] <Dr_willis> !info kiso
[20:23] <ubotu> kiso (source: kiso): program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 346 kB, installed size 1052 kB
[20:23] <osh_> azlon: mount it I suppose?
[20:23] <Dr_willis> Normally you cant change the .iso file with mounting it.
[20:23] <nosrednaekim> !remaster
[20:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remaster - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:23] <osh_> azlon: or use kiso. =)
[20:24] <azlon> kiso? just run that from the terminal?
[20:24] <osh_> Dr_willis: Can't you loop-mount an iso rw?
[20:24] <Dr_willis> Install it. :) run it.. read its docs...
[20:24] <Dr_willis> osh_,  i dont think you can.
[20:24] <osh_> Dr_willis: Ah. I'm sure you know better than me. That would have been my first attempt though.
[20:24] <ScorpKing> genii , nosrednaekim: plz fill me in on the log
[20:25] <osh_> ScorpKing: My xorg-log?
[20:25] <Dr_willis> osh_,  you could try it and see I guess. :)
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> osh_: is this a dial-head capable card?
[20:25] <ScorpKing> yes
[20:25] <DFlame> hullo, quick Q. I'd like to write a small script of commands that are run in konsole. I'm under the impression i put them line by line in a file but I'm unsure how to save or run it. Anyone point me the right way?
[20:25] <ScorpKing> ah, wait. nvm
[20:25]  * ScorpKing reads up..
[20:25] <nosrednaekim> osh_: or is it in crossfire or something? its showing TWO cards...
[20:25] <Dr_willis> DFlame,  just make a simple text file with whatever text editor you like
[20:26] <Dr_willis> exapmple script. 3 lines.
[20:26] <Dr_willis> #!/bin/bash
[20:26] <Dr_willis> echo "hello world"
[20:26] <Dr_willis> ls -al
[20:26] <Dr_willis>  There ya go. :)
[20:26] <tsb> When I try to restart KDE into another partition, the logout screen disapears and suddenly I can't restart my commputer at all without doing a "sudo reboot" or something. It is a bit like https://bugs.launchpad.net/kdebase/+bug/57066 only I don't even get a restart.. Anyone seen this before?
[20:26] <osh_> nosrednaekim: I think so. It does have a dvi port (it's called dvi, right?). It's the next thing I'll try since I just got a second screen.
[20:26] <genii> osh_: Do you have 2 monitors there?
[20:27] <osh_> ScorpKing: The trouble is that when I try to start X the machine freezes and goes black (the screen). Hard reset is the only remedy.
[20:27] <osh_> genii: Not connected atm (and never has been).
[20:27] <genii> osh
[20:27] <genii> bah
[20:27] <osh_> genii: yet.
[20:27] <max32167> guys i can't compile pcre 7.4 lib, plase help with permisions, i have a such message
[20:27] <ScorpKing> osh_: hm.. modules maybe
[20:28] <max32167> usr/bin/install: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/lib/libpcrecpp.so.0.0.0': Permission denied
[20:28] <Darkrift412> how do i check my kubuntu version again?
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> osh_: can you possibly plug the monitor into the other output?
[20:28] <genii> osh_: I suspect you are plugging into the secondary right now, which is undefined in xorg
[20:28] <osh_> ScorpKing: the trouble started after I upgraded from feisty to gutsy.
[20:28] <val0> does anyone know how to make a window transparent? I have two consoles running and i want them to be without borders and transparant (so I can see the desktop and keep them above other windows without too much hassle)
[20:28] <nosrednaekim> lsb_release -a Darkrift412
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> val0: you will need compiz
[20:29] <ScorpKing> osh_: still catching up on everything. don't go away
[20:29] <Darkrift412> damn
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> val0: or kwin4
[20:29] <val0> arg ok
[20:29] <osh_> genii: nosrednaekim: sure, but the rescue-cd shows things on my screen. it's just X that won't start.
[20:29] <Darkrift412> i tried the version upgrade, it failed... now i have 904 updates, but still the same version
[20:29] <val0> !compiz
[20:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[20:30] <osh_> nosrednaekim: genii: My bad. The card only has 1 vga port, 1 dvi.
[20:30] <genii> osh_: Video card designation that bios or default uses  can vary wildly from what X uses
[20:30] <osh_> genii: Only the VGA port has ever been used.
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> osh_: do you have a dvi to vga adpter?
[20:31] <genii> osh_: Change PC:1:0:0   in xorg.conf to PCI:1:0:1      and try. That will use the secondary without having to dig up a dvi to vga adapter or so on
[20:32] <osh_> nosrednaekim: I bought one yesterday. Still in it's wrapping.
[20:32] <osh_> genii: will do. hang on. Then just do "startx"?
[20:32] <nosrednaekim> genii: but what if there is no monitor on the secondary?
[20:33] <ScorpKing> osh_: ok. to sort out the tty problem try removing "quiet splash" from the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst .that's the only way i know of to get in or boot from recovery mode and then init 2
[20:33] <mefisto__> Darkrift412: tried "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[20:33] <osh_> genii, nosrednaekim: Improvement. "No screens found". Still won't work but atleast it didn't hang the machine. =)
[20:33] <ScorpKing> osh_: then you won't have to reboot. ;)
[20:34] <osh_> ScorpKing: I'm in rescue mode right now. Or do you want me to try a normal boot while showing what's happening?
[20:35] <genii> nosrednaekim: If the monitor is already attached to the secondary it will kick in
[20:35] <osh_> genii: nosrednaekim: The error (EE) was "No devices detected" so I think the device is at PCI:1:0:0 after all?
[20:35] <ScorpKing> osh_: try to get it so you can log into tty1 when it boots.
[20:35] <genii> osh_: Are you in recovery or so? If not then instead of startx use instead:  sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[20:36] <genii> osh_: or gdm if you have gnome login manager
[20:37] <osh_> genii: I'm at recovery yes. "startx" seems to try to start X as I can now see the xorg-error-msgs or in the previous case, lock the screen up (although it does seem to go through some X initialization).
[20:37] <ScorpKing> genii , nosrednaekim , osh_: i have this same problem atm with my nvidia fx5500 so i'll be glad if it get sorted. :)
[20:38] <genii> osh_ please paste the results of: lspci    so we can dblcheck the bus id
[20:39] <mefisto__> osh_, ScorpKing: is this a result of upgrade to gutsy?
[20:39] <biovore> ScorpKing: some nvidia cards don't like the kernel framebuffer, and you don't get any Text consoles.. in grub append verbose and remove splash
[20:39] <genii> mefisto__: Good Q there
[20:39] <osh_> genii: sure.
[20:39] <ScorpKing> mefisto__: no. for me it just happened and i have no idea why. didn't do any upgrades and it was working fine
[20:39] <azlon> how do i unmount a drive?
[20:40] <azlon> bah, nm... ill just reboot
[20:40] <ScorpKing> biovore: yeah, that's the only way i can get into tty1
[20:40] <ScorpKing> azlon: sudo umount <dev>
[20:40] <mefisto__> azlon: "umount /mountpointdir"
[20:41] <osh_> genii: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52921/
[20:42] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Hmm, that was for you too. Sorry. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52921/
[20:43] <mefisto__> osh_: sorry if this is a stupid suggestion, but have you checked to see if you have any xorg.conf backups?
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> hmm two cards!
[20:43] <nosrednaekim> what the heck? even dual head cards don't take two pci slots.. do they?
[20:43] <osh_> mefisto__: Yeah, I've checked that. I've tried the ones that worked before but none that I've tried have worked.
[20:44] <val0> ok so i followed the instructions on the ubuntu page on how to install compiz. everything went smooth and without errors, until I got to the CCSM/config stage. can't find ccsm and the config is not in the system setting. any ideas?
[20:44] <osh_> nosrednaekim: I'm slightly baffeled too. I don't understand why the card is reported twice.
[20:44] <nosrednaekim> val0: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[20:44] <val0> nosrednaekim I believe that i did that already, but let me double check
[20:45] <val0> nosrednaekim obviously not since it's installing right now, thanks!
[20:45] <jayson> Hello people, i have installed KDE4 in Ubuntu 7.10 and something it's wrong, i use a Widescreen 17" Monitor with resolution 1280x720 and the KDE it's wrong anybody can help me ? Here is a Screenshot http://www.kerov.com/Screenshot.png
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> `kde4
[20:46] <nosrednaekim> !kde4
[20:46] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:46] <sime_> guys i installed kubuntu but i cant get any sound
[20:46] <sime_> can anybody help me configure the sound card
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> !sound
[20:47] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[20:47] <jayson> nosrednaekim> i have followed that tuto
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> osh_: notice the second isn't a "vga compatible controller"
[20:47] <nosrednaekim> jayson: then support for kde4 is in #kubuntu-kde4
[20:47] <jayson> thx
[20:48] <osh_> nosrednaekim: what does that mean?
[20:48] <nosrednaekim> osh_: I have no clue.. I have never seen that before
[20:48] <sime_> ubotu: yea the sound was enabled
[20:49] <osh_> nosrednaekim: You're right. It's an "Display controller". And it's on a different PCI.
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> osh_: but that graphics card IS on;y plugged into one slot, right?
[20:51] <azlon> how can i do a low-level format?
[20:51] <azlon> i want to remove all partitions and everything
[20:52] <biovore> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<device>  <-- will wipe the disk completely clean
[20:52] <osh_> nosrednaekim: yeah. there seems to be someone else with the same problem. http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4436
[20:52] <osh_> nosrednaekim: No help there though, but they display the same text. Both the VGA compatible and the Display driver.
[20:52] <nosrednaekim> osh_: do you still have fiesty kernels in grub?
[20:52] <azlon> biovore: how can i get rid of the partitions as well?
[20:53] <nosrednaekim> osh_: same video card...
[20:53] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Don't think so. I think they were all wiped during the upgrade.
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> osh_: hmm thought they stayed around... oh well.
[20:54] <nosrednaekim> osh_: so... try getting that DVI to vga adapter and plugging your screen into the other slot.
[20:55] <genii> The second display is the DVI, the third as shown in the previous pastebin starting at line 659 there is the TV out
[20:55] <osh_> Will do. Hang on. Here's a howto that I just found. Seems to deal with radeons and linux. I'll go fetch that adapter now.
[20:56] <nosrednaekim> !br
[20:56] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[20:58] <osh_> Booting again now.
[20:58] <sime_> wats the sound card on a hp pavilion dv6000
[20:58] <osh_> With the dvi adapter in place.
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> sime_: try "lspci"
[20:59] <nosrednaekim> osh_: hope that works...
[20:59] <osh_> genii: nosrednaekim: Sorry to report that the error remains.
[20:59] <MIMB1> I installed kubuntu 7.10 w/kde4.  When I enabled desktop effects, I got a black screen, and a mousepad.  can someone tell me where to disable desktop effects?
[21:00] <MIMB1> er.. mousepointer
[21:00] <MIMB1> not mousepad.
[21:00] <nosrednaekim> MIMB1: do "rm .kde4/share/config/kwinrc"
[21:00] <ScorpKing> osh_ , nosrednaekim: you guys think it might help to boot from a livecd and then copy the xorg.conf file to the disk?
[21:00] <Dogface> I don't have a package (dailystrips) showing in the Adept info.  How do I find the package online to download and install it?
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> ScorpKing: that probably wouldn't hurt
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> !packages
[21:01] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[21:01] <sime_> nosrednaekim: would the sound card be listed under audio device
[21:01] <ScorpKing> at least X might run again
[21:01] <nosrednaekim> sime_: yes
[21:01] <sime_> nosrednaekim: thanks
[21:01] <genii> osh_: Scorpking's suggestion should at least give you some baseline X to boot into, likely vesa.
[21:01] <MIMB1> nosrednaekim: thanks
[21:02] <osh_> ScorpKing: for you I'd just copy xorg.conf to xorg.conf.something, and try to start X. or if that doesn't work try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:02] <osh_> ScorpKing: Have you tried that?
[21:02] <Dogface> !Adept
[21:02] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[21:02] <ScorpKing> osh_: i have
[21:02] <bachstudies> i installed Oo 2.3.1 and now adept notifier is always telling me the packages are out of date. Any way to tell adept to ignore the Oo install? Would be a shame to remove the updater completely
[21:02] <osh_> genii: Shouldn't removing xorg.conf have the same effect?
[21:03] <genii> osh_: I'm not sure the xorg.conf gets re-created on the fly
[21:03] <ScorpKing> osh_: i've tried removing it. it doesn't get recreated
[21:04] <osh_> genii: No, it doesn't get recreated, but it should start X with some sane defaults, shouldn't it?
[21:04] <genii> osh_: Since I haven't tested that I can't comment much on it's effectiveness :)
[21:04] <ScorpKing> osh_: it complained about xorg.conf being missing
[21:05] <osh_> ScorpKing: Yeah, it should do that, but then it should start some basic X. It used to do that for me. =)
[21:05] <osh_> genii: Unfortunatly I can. It doesn't work. :-/
[21:06] <ScorpKing> oh ok. weird
[21:06] <mefisto__> osh_: you have "radeon" as driver in xorg.conf. Maybe try changing it to "ati"?
[21:06] <osh_> genii: Not for me this time anyway. I do seem to remember that it's been known to work before.
[21:06] <osh_> mefisto__: I've tried both ati and radeon. Same result I'm afraid.
[21:07] <genii> osh_: PErhaps try vesa
[21:07] <osh_> genii: Yes, vesa works. Whee.
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> w00t
[21:08] <nosrednaekim> wonder if the fglrx ones work
[21:08] <osh_> nosrednaekim: that's the name of the driver to put in xorg.conf?
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> osh_: yes,... but you need the fglrx driver first.... just use the restricted-manager-kde to install it
[21:09] <osh_> nosrednaekim: now that I know how to get some functionality I'm happy to try some other things too. =)
[21:09] <nosrednaekim> XD
[21:10] <genii> work needs me, away a couple/few minutes
[21:10] <sub[t]rnl> bachstudies➜ you can keep packages that you define in /etc/apt/prefrences.  Look to man apt_prefrences for the proper syntax
[21:12] <osh_> nosrednaekim: nope, that did hang the machine. unfortunatly. I didn't use the restricted-manager though. Just aptitude install xorg-drivers-fglrx
[21:12] <ScorpKing> osh_: btw, vesa always works. ;)
[21:12] <bachstudies> sub[t]rnl, thanks very much - so i probably list the offending packages and adept will ignore them?
[21:12] <osh_> ScorpKing: good to know.
[21:12] <sub[t]rnl> bachstudies➜ correct
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> osh_: use the restricted-manager
[21:12] <osh_> nosrednaekim: Thanks for your help and time. Now it's bedtime for me as I'm flying off to england tomorrow. =)
[21:12] <nosrednaekim> oh... ok ... glad you got it working :)
[21:13]  * nosrednaekim hands some coffee to genii too
[21:13] <awarring> when i try to sudo apt-get install build-essentials, it requires me to insert the Kubuntu cd into the cd rom drive. Is there a way I can get it off the internet?
[21:13] <osh_> nosrednaekim: genii: You've been great. Thanks a bunch. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you.
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> osh_: advertise kubuntu, kde and linux :)
[21:14] <osh_> nosrednaekim: I always do. =)
[21:14]  * ScorpKing nods..
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> and don't let them say "there is no support"
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> awarring: remove the apt-cdrom line  from your repositories
[21:15] <osh_> nosrednaekim: I know there is support. My last company bought support from RedHat. =)
[21:15] <awarring> nosrednaekim: that is in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> awarring: yes you can do that.
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> osh_: haha, well, there is support even if you don't pay for it :)
[21:16] <ScorpKing> awarring: when you saved the file run sudo apt-get update
[21:16] <sean_> how do I open konqueror for managing files in root mode?
[21:16] <osh_> nosrednaekim, genii: point taken. Good night guys and thanks a bunch again.
[21:16] <intelikey> sean kdesudo
[21:16] <ayy> wat do i do if the ALSA driver for my sound card doesnt exist
[21:16] <nosrednaekim> sean_: kdesudo konqueror
[21:17] <nosrednaekim> ayy: write one :)
[21:17] <sean_> from the command line
[21:17] <sean_> ?
[21:17] <ayy> nosrednaekim: how
[21:17] <intelikey> sean alt+f2
[21:17] <jpatrick> sean_: that or what intelikey said
[21:18] <gta__> hi.... is here somebody from Ukraine?
[21:18] <nosrednaekim> ayy: if you are asking how.... then I am NOT the person to explain it to you... what sound card do you have?
[21:19] <intelikey> !ua
[21:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ua - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[21:19] <ayy> nosrednaekim: i have intel family chipset 82801H
[21:19] <ScorpKing> ayy: i'll get you a link. one sec..
[21:19] <sean_> ok that's fine, thanks
[21:19] <sub[t]rnl> apt-get moo
[21:20] <sean_> does anyone know if you can start rsync off with 2 mirror images?
[21:20] <intelikey> sub[t]rnl what is cowsay
[21:21] <sub[t]rnl> beats me :p
[21:21] <nosrednaekim> cowsay is hilarious....
[21:22] <intelikey> allusion to 'jepordy' in answer to sub[t]rnl's "apt-get moo"
[21:22] <ScorpKing> ayy: i can't find the book i'm looking for but search in google for - writing device drivers for linux
[21:22] <sub[t]rnl> ah, i get it :>
[21:22] <sub[t]rnl> correct intelikey!
[21:22] <intelikey> :)
[21:22] <ayy> ScorpKing: ok thanks
[21:23] <intelikey> !info cowsay | sub[t]rnl the other half of that joke is
[21:23] <ubotu> sub[t]rnl the other half of that joke is: cowsay (source: cowsay): A configurable talking cow. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.03-8 (gutsy), package size 17 kB, installed size 268 kB
[21:23] <sub[t]rnl> Definition: cowsay: a configurable talking cow Turns text into happy ASCII cows, with speech balloons.
[21:24] <genii> nosrednaekim: Thanks for the coffee :)
[21:26] <sub[t]rnl> aptitude moo
[21:26] <sub[t]rnl> :(
[21:26] <intelikey> :)))
[21:26] <sub[t]rnl> aptitude -v moo
[21:27] <sub[t]rnl> sheesh
[21:27] <jpatrick> sub[t]rnl: aptitude -vvvvvvvvvvv moo
[21:27] <sub[t]rnl> rofl
[21:27] <intelikey> -root: aptitude: command not found
[21:28] <sub[t]rnl> jpatrick➜  aptitude -vvvvv moo
[21:28] <sub[t]rnl> winner!
[21:28] <intelikey> it's a little odd, i don't recall removing aptitude from this system...
[21:29] <genii> For it to make sense tho you need to increment the amount of verbosity each time of course
[21:29] <sub[t]rnl> yeah
[21:32]  * intelikey is bored             Q=v ;for P in v v v v v ;do aptitude -$Q moo ;Q=$Q$P ;done
[21:33] <Phoenix92x> hi, I'm running kubuntu 7.10 on a Dell Latitude D610 and my wireless stopped working yesterday through knetworkmanager. iwconfig still works and shows that the card is still detected by the system etc, but I don't know how to get knetworkmanager working again., if someone could help me with this I'd appreciate it
[21:34] <genii> intelikey: :)
[21:34] <nosrednaekim> Phoenix92x: erase lines pertaining to your wireless interface from /etc/network/interfaces
[21:35] <Phoenix92x> nosrednaekim: ok, one moment
[21:37] <Phoenix92x> nosrednaekim: so I should erase the lines "iface eth1 inet dhcp" and "auto eth1" ?
[21:38] <Phoenix92x> nosrednaekim: that did...indeed, fix it...Could you please tell me why that fixed it? Tis interesting
[21:38] <Scubar> hi
[21:38] <Phoenix92x> hi Scubar
[21:38] <nosrednaekim> Phoenix92x: Networkmanager ignores any interfaces which are in that file
[21:39] <jpatrick> !hi | Scubar
[21:39] <ubotu> Scubar: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[21:39] <Scubar> just wondering whcih of u are running i386 or x64 ?
[21:39] <nosrednaekim> 64, why?
[21:39] <Scubar> just wondering which one would be best to install
[21:39] <Scubar> is it possible to still run i386 apps in x64
[21:39] <Scubar> im guessin it is
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Scubar: i386 is a bit easier, and 64 bit doesn't have many advantages except when you have over 4 gigs of ram
[21:40] <Scubar> cause opera browser only runs on i386
[21:40] <Scubar> i got 8GB ram
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Scubar: yeah, 32 on 64 is possible, but complicated at times
[21:40] <nosrednaekim> Scubar: then its a waste to run anything less than 64 bit..
[21:40] <Scubar> yea i figured that would be the response
[21:40] <Scubar> its only Opera browser that i mainly wanna use but its i386 only
[21:41] <Scubar> guess i gotta get some libs or something
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> Scubar: i'm sure there is a tutorial somehwere on how to install it for 64 bit
[21:41] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[21:41] <Phoenix92x> nosrednaekim: interesting, thank you very much
[21:41] <intelikey> wooops.  i just hung my root terminal
[21:42] <nosrednaekim> Phoenix92x: you are very welcome
[21:42] <intelikey> bah, that's what i get for running an emulator as root
[21:43] <nosrednaekim> :)
[21:44] <intelikey> and it's   alt+sysRQ+e  to the rescue
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> whats that do?
[21:44] <intelikey> kills every thing that can be killed
[21:44] <Phoenix92x> which key is sysRQ?
[21:44]  * nosrednaekim doesn't feel like trying it
[21:44] <intelikey> it's a kernel side hotkey
[21:44] <Phoenix92x> don't try it randomly
[21:44] <Phoenix92x> lol
[21:44] <nosrednaekim> Phoenix92x: printscr on my keyboard
[21:45] <Phoenix92x> intelikey: is there a way to tell which it is for a particular machine?
[21:45] <intelikey> Phoenix92x it's often shared with print-screen
[21:45] <Phoenix92x> ahh, interesting
[21:45]  * nosrednaekim jst had his brother do it
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> worked fine :)
[21:46] <jpatrick> nosrednaekim: evil
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> I told him what it would do.. don't worry ;)
[21:46] <nosrednaekim> its print screen...
[21:46] <intelikey> yeah it's the same as doing     sudo kill -9 -1     or almost.
[21:46] <genii> Phoenix92x: Usually it's next to the PrtSC one
[21:47] <firiod> people, i am installing kubuntu gutsy gibbon on a friends pc, however the resolution is completly wrong, i tried to adjust it via kcontrol but no luck
[21:47] <Phoenix92x> got it ^_^
[21:47] <itsjustme>  what software in synaptic would I download to use my HP scanner?
[21:47] <genii> itsjustme: perhaps hplip and sane
[21:47] <intelikey> itsjustme sane ?
[21:47] <nosrednaekim> itsjustme: everything should be already installed
[21:48] <itsjustme> hhumm  so what would I look for in the menu?
[21:48] <JuJuBee> Anybody know how to change the page margins for all pages in openoffice writer?
[21:48] <itsjustme> there isnt anything that says for scanner
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> itsjustme: look for the "hp printer toolbox"
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> under system
[21:49] <JuJuBee> I have 355 page doc that I need to change.  Only seems to work if I do it page by page.
[21:49] <intelikey> nosrednaekim if you wanted your brother to test hotkeys for you,  you could also ask him to test the b key combo sysRQ
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: the what?
[21:49] <nosrednaekim> b+sysreq?
[21:50] <intelikey> alt+sysRQ+b
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> whats that do?
[21:50] <intelikey> hot reboot
[21:50] <intelikey> warning.
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> sweet...
[21:50] <intelikey> it does not umount fs's
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> figured ;)
[21:50] <raavi> The items in the K Menu is slightly different from default KDE, does any body know how to revert to default?
[21:50] <nosrednaekim> Later everyone..
[21:51] <intelikey> nosrednaekim
[21:51] <itsjustme> found it    too cool thsx
[21:52] <intelikey> nosrednaekim the best secquense is.    alt+sysRQ+[r,e,u,b]   in that order.   which is actually useful.
[21:52] <intelikey> Kohlrabi:  too late.
[21:52] <tsb> I am missing /boot/grub/menu.1st (I removed it) - I did sudo aptitude reinstall grub but it still isn't there..
[21:52] <intelikey> sorry Kohlrabi nick completion error.
[21:54] <intelikey> tsb maybe   sudo update-grub   or even use the install feature   sudo grub-install <boot_device>
[21:54] <raavi> The items in the K Menu is slightly different from default KDE, does any body know how to revert to default?
[21:54] <tsb> intelikey: I just thought about update-grub myself, thanks :)
[21:55] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: Format > Page
[21:55] <intelikey> tsb yes.  i'm not sure that will generate a menu but the install feature will
[21:55] <tsb> intelikey: it did
[21:55] <JuJuBee> mefisto_ doesn't seem to be working.  It only changes the current page.
[21:56] <intelikey> tsb the reason that reinstalling the grub package doesn't is because it doesn't install grub per'se, but rather it installs the grub package to the ubuntu system, from which the other scripts like grub-install are used.
[21:57] <intelikey> reasoning; one may wish to install the package and not actually install the boot loader,    (could be many reasons for that)
[22:00] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: you're doing the change in the "Page" tab, in the "Margins" section?
[22:00] <JuJuBee> Yes.
[22:05] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: that's odd. any frames in the document?
[22:05] <JuJuBee> Not sure yet.  355 pages.  Only on page 15.
[22:06] <snowbird> i downloaded  a  modem driver  it had a  bios  killling  bug were  do  i report that  too?
[22:06] <snowbird> was on    forms
[22:09] <intelikey> snowbird the drivers writer/maintainer
[22:09] <intelikey> and the forum poster
[22:09] <snowbird> how  i do that
[22:09] <intelikey> snowbird look at it's source
[22:09] <snowbird> ok
[22:09] <mefisto__> JuJuBee: it should work, but rather than figuring out why it's not working, you could create a new empty doc with the margins you want, then select all of the original doc and copy/paste it in the new one.
[22:10] <intelikey> should have the author/maintainer
[22:11] <snowbird> dont see it
[22:11] <Dogface> !Repositories
[22:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[22:12] <snowbird> can not  get t to sight today
[22:12] <snowbird> maybe its  closed
[22:12] <intelikey> snowbird  ;/
[22:12] <snowbird> what
[22:13] <intelikey> nothing.
[22:13] <snowbird> maybe   they took ti off  line
[22:14] <intelikey> maybe
[22:14] <intelikey> i'm eating too much disk...  /dev/hdd               19G   11G  8.3G  55% /
[22:15] <intelikey> oh never mind.  the package cache is local there.
[22:16] <intelikey> that's still too much tho.   11G   ummm about 8G plus packages.    so still bloat city
[22:18] <tzd> hi everyone! Can anyone please tell me how to stop a specific service? Im trying to stop a vmware service that i can't find
[22:20] <Dr_willis_> sudo /etc/init.d/SEVUCENAME stop
[22:20] <Dr_willis_> vmware - may be special. :) not sure what services it does
[22:20] <tam_> hey all, looking for help w/ getting my soundcard to work - dell inspiron 1720 / kubuntu gutsy
[22:20] <tam_> it's not showing up at all
[22:20] <intelikey> sudo killall service_name
[22:20] <Dr_willis_>  sudo /etc/init.d/vmware status
[22:21] <intelikey> !sound | tam_
[22:21] <ubotu> tam_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[22:21] <intelikey> been there ^ yet tam_ ?
[22:21] <morphine> hey folks, I have 36 ps files that I want to combine and then convert into one pdf
[22:22] <morphine> How might I go about doing that?
[22:22] <tam_> intelikey: going there now
[22:22] <Dr_willis_> could use the 'print to pdf' feature
[22:23] <morphine> Dr_willis: that is how I got the 36 postscript files, I had to print each page off individually
[22:23]  * intelikey has never found a good word to say about "pdf" so stays out of that.
[22:24] <tzd> Dr_willis: thanks! Are there any other commands or via gui you can access a list of active services?
[22:25] <intelikey> ksysguard  @ tzd
[22:25] <tzd> intelikey: thanks as well ;)
[22:25] <tzd> cheers
[22:26] <intelikey> tzd and pstree and ps -A x  and pgrep and ...
[22:26] <tam_> if my soundcard is not detected at all, what could i run to see if it is detected on a second try?
[22:26] <intelikey> idk i forgot how many ways there are to find a process
[22:26] <tzd> yeah because ksysguard only have processes right? Not any services?
[22:26] <intelikey> tam_ cat /proc/asound/cards
[22:27] <mefisto__> there is no undoing file deletion from rm, is there?
[22:27] <tam_> intelikey: thanks
[22:27] <intelikey> tzd i think services can be accessed there too.   but i don't play in a gui much
[22:27] <raavi>  The items in the K Menu is slightly different from default KDE, does any body know how to revert to default?
[22:27] <tzd> intelikey: ok, I'll better have a closer look...  thanks!
[22:28] <intelikey> tzd welcome
[22:28] <tlayton> anybody know of a way to restrict the kde-look.org rss feed to only the plasmoid category? i'm using akregator as my client.
[22:28] <intelikey> mefisto__ without major proceedings   no.
[22:29] <intelikey> tam_  /join #alsa    if you can't get it.
[22:29] <matt____> I am attempting to "network" two kde's together. I only want file sharing, will someone explain what needs to be done? There are plenty of options, but I'm not sure which one to go with.
[22:30] <ScorpKing> matt____: i'd suggest nfs
[22:30] <intelikey> matt____ two linux boxen are most easily linked via ssh   but you may want to put up an nfs share.    depends on the need
[22:31] <matt____> intelikey: show me ssh
[22:31] <tam_> intelikey: the cat is coming up with nothing at all under /proc/asounds/cards, and --- no soundcards --- under /proc/asound/cards
[22:31] <matt____> ScorpKing: i'm trying it now, but....i have client on the one i'm wanting to use, and i'm about to put server on the one i'm wanting to act as a server
[22:32] <ScorpKing> matt____: on the server you need openssh-server iirc
[22:32] <ScorpKing> let me make sure
[22:32] <intelikey> matt____ sudo apt-get install ssh     and from the other box  scp blah user@other.ip:path    or scp user@other.ip:blah /path
[22:32] <matt____> intelikey: can i do the whole ssh thing in the network part of dolphin? i'd like that, but i dunno how what the server and folder and user are
[22:32] <ScorpKing> bah
[22:32] <ScorpKing> matt____: not ssh, sorry.
[22:33] <matt____> ScorpKing: hmm..i have the option of ssh, it's in "add network folder", can you take a look?
[22:33] <intelikey> matt____ i don't know for sure if dolphin can or not.   konq has an ssh kioslave
[22:34] <intelikey> so dolphin probably does too
[22:34] <Dr_willis_> fish:// I think for the ssh kioslave :)
[22:34] <ScorpKing> matt____: for nfs -  sudo aptitude install nfs-kernel-server and then edit /etc/exports and add shares there
[22:34] <ScorpKing> matt____: that's for the server btw
[22:34] <intelikey> sshfs
[22:34] <matt____> ScorpKing: for the server? then how do i use the client?
[22:34] <intelikey> i'll shush now.
[22:34] <ScorpKing> matt____: edit fstab on the client and add the entries there
[22:35] <matt____> ScorpKing: as? that's the problem, i dunno the "host" PATH. is it the name or whatever when you setup the system?
[22:36] <ScorpKing> matt____: 192.168.0.1:/media/disk01 /media/disk01 nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0
[22:36] <intelikey> i have done both nfs and ssh/scp   if you don't need continuous access  the ssh route is the more simple.    like  i said it depends on your needs.
[22:36] <ScorpKing> matt____: that's ^ what will go into fstab
[22:37] <matt____> ScorpKing: so i'm wanting /home/matt/Data to be shared... (path on server), and i'm not sure about the ip, as i'm going to do some odd networking (router hooked up to router).
[22:37] <ScorpKing> matt____: you have to decide on nfs or ssh ;)
[22:37] <matt____> ScorpKing: nfs
[22:37] <matt____> ScorpKing: mind joining me on #kubuntumatt
[22:37]  * ScorpKing sends intelikey away..
[22:39] <Ralesk> hi all
[22:39] <Ralesk> Kopete seems to choke my -- unfortunately only single-core -- CPU every 30 seconds, for a few seconds each time.
[22:41] <Ralesk> Has anyone else had such a thing, or any idea what I could do to get to its cause, anything?
[22:44]  * intelikey goes away.
[22:44] <frode> if a windows computer has a rootkit virus. and i install kubuntu without removing the windows. will the linux be safe to run, will the linux install destroy the rootkit in the MBR? or can the rootkit virus still function and also be operable when running linux?
[22:44] <biovore> if you install linux.. windows won't be there anymore..
[22:45] <intelikey> frode installing grub boot loader to the mbr will overwrite the mbr,   but linux wouldn't care about a virus there anyway.
[22:45] <petina> hello
[22:46] <Dr_willis_> a rootkit normally is NOT in the mbr.
[22:46] <petina> i have a question
[22:46] <intelikey> would be awfully compact wouldn't it...
[22:46] <Dr_willis_> installing grub will replace anything in the MBR. thus removing any mbr viruses. which.. i think are rather rare these days
[22:46] <Dr_willis_> Ive not heard of a boot sector virus in ages
[22:47] <petina> i have actually heard of new MBR viruses
[22:47] <intelikey> dr_willis i have one if you want it... :)
[22:47] <intelikey> so petina what can we do you for ?
[22:48] <frode> ok. i thought rootkit viruses could be in the MBR. but what do i know :). anyway i will give my friend the windows alternative. she will have a virus-free system that is very fast compared to her virus-infected windows. she will be happy hehe!
[22:48] <petina> well, i currently have Kubuntu 6.06 lts...
[22:48] <petina> and i'm wondering about upgrading to 7.10
[22:48] <Lopi1> Anyone help me with some isntaller problems?
[22:48] <petina> first of all, what are the advantages going to be other than newer vesions, bug fixes etc...
[22:49] <petina> second of all, how do i upgrade
[22:49] <petina> third of all, how big will it be to download the upgrade?
[22:49] <intelikey> petina eyecandy.  simple way is the new install cd
[22:49] <intelikey> Lopi1 what problem?
[22:50] <petina> i'd rather not since i am on a dial up connection, and saving download time is a good thing... and upgrading is generally easier? less configuration.
[22:50] <Lopi1> intelikey: Sorry about the name...  My installer is hanging...
[22:50] <Dogface1> Could someone show me a direct link to a repository for 'Dapper' software.  Have been hunting a while and everything keeps coming up 'page not found'
[22:51] <intelikey> petina if you don't do a install the upgrade is reccomended in three steps  first to 6.10 then 7.4 then 7.10
[22:51] <petina> okay, well can you walk me through the steps i will have to take to do that?
[22:51] <schiste> hey, I'm trying to use krdc to get connected to an ubuntu computer. However it doesn't connect. Autorization fails. Any idea why ?
[22:51] <frode> another thing, i got help here last year with this.. it happened again, but i dont remember the command: my adept crashed during some install, and i cant start it up. it says another program is using the packaging system database. i guess i need to unlock the database file...
[22:53] <intelikey> petina first of all you missed my statement   the easy way is the new install iso     to upgrade through three versions will be far bigger a download and not promiced to be trubble free.   infact i can almost promice that you will have trubble.
[22:53] <intelikey> petina but if you still want me to enumerate the steps, i will.
[22:54] <petina> well it would be more simple because i have stuff configured already, no?
[22:54] <intelikey> !packages | Dogface1
[22:54] <ubotu> Dogface1: You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[22:54] <intelikey> petina no.    just copy your special configs.
[22:54] <petina> how do i do that
[22:55] <intelikey> petina what do you have configured ?   xorg ?   wifi ?
[22:55] <intelikey> or are you talking user land customization ?
[22:55] <petina> ummm
[22:56] <petina> well, all sortsa customization for KDE and konquerer and konversation, kopete, etc.
[22:56] <petina> and some small programs i have installed?
[22:56] <intelikey> ok is your home dir. on the root fs, or seperate ?
[22:56] <Scubar> how do i set a new root pass in terminal
[22:57] <Scubar> ive just installed
[22:57] <basy> sudo -i
[22:57] <basy> passwd
[22:57] <petina> it should be on the root fs
[22:57] <g2g591> !sudo | Scubar
[22:57] <ubotu> Scubar: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information.
[22:57] <intelikey> Scubar if you are sure that you want one.    it's sudo passwd root    but i figure you just need to learn about sudo
[22:57] <Scubar> yea
[22:58] <g2g591> Scubar: sudo -i gives you a root shell if you need
[22:58] <Scubar> i set one in user management but its not recognising it now
[22:58] <Scubar> its cause im used to typing su
[22:58] <tinin> Hi, anyone watches tv (with a tv tuner) on kde4?
[22:58] <Dogface1> intelikey: That link keeps returning 'file not found' errors!  FINALLY just tried it on a different machine and it DOES work there.  Thanks
[22:59] <g2g591> Scubar: usermod -L root , locks the root account if you want to return to sudo . sudo passwd root lets you set a new root pass
[22:59] <Lopi1> intelikey: Sorry...  My installer is stalling in random places...  I can't even install a text based system...
[22:59] <g2g591> Scubar: you could alias su to sudo -i also
[23:00] <intelikey> petina ok then you want to do something like    sudo tar -czf /my_home.tgz $HOME     and copy /my_home.tgz to some place safe  then install and when finished untar that file to / as root from the new system.
[23:01] <Scubar> so its best i keep the root locked then and just use sudo
[23:01] <mrdigital> im getting /dev/nvidia0 (input/output error) EE failed to initalize Nvidia graphics device
[23:01] <intelikey> Lopi1 "My installer is stalling in random places..."    can you clearify that just a little please ?
[23:01] <mrdigital> any ideas
[23:01] <Scubar> ive changed the rootpass now but if i dont need to use su then ill just leave it as it is now and use sudo instead
[23:01] <petina> intelikey: what all will that include
[23:02] <intelikey> Scubar that's the ubuntu reccomendation     but it's your system.
[23:02] <HTC> Hi all my htc touch phone isn't recognized in Ubuntu.. Using Kmobile how do I configure it?
[23:02] <Lopi1> intelikey: random screens won't load, that, or i get a segmentation fault...
[23:02] <intelikey> petina everything that you have in your home dir    all the customizations for kde... and so forth.
[23:02] <Scubar> id rather do the recommended thing
[23:03] <intelikey> Lopi1 how much ram do you have ?
[23:03] <Lopi1> 92Mb
[23:04] <HTC> I also have Kandy but it dowsn't see it either
[23:04] <mrdigital> any idea for the nvidia?
[23:04] <intelikey> Lopi1 that's why.    need 192m for the live cd installer. and 128m for the server/alternate installer.
[23:04] <Lopi1> *96mb
[23:04] <petina> intelikey: how will i move it back again?
[23:04] <Lopi1> Okay...  how do I install with that much ram?
[23:04] <intelikey> Lopi1 use a different distro.   or an older release.   hoary maybe.
[23:04] <Lopi1> Recommend a distro?
[23:05] <intelikey> debian
[23:05] <intelikey> dsl
[23:05] <intelikey> slackware
[23:05] <Lopi1> Netboot work?  I don't want to burn 35 disks...
[23:05] <Lopi1> Okay...
[23:05] <tinin> mrdigital have you installed the nvidia drivers?
[23:06] <intelikey> any of those and several more obscure specality distros should all work.
[23:06] <mrdigital> tinin yes
[23:06] <mrdigital> going to redownload them
[23:06] <tinin> manually?
[23:07] <intelikey> petina from the newly installed system   you will open the archive "where ever you store it"   and extract to /
[23:07] <mrdigital> manually huh?
[23:07] <tinin> how did you install them
[23:07] <mrdigital> from the nividia site
[23:08] <intelikey> petina the "special" program you mentioned,  may i ask what that is.  so i can give sujestions concerning it if need be.
[23:08] <petina> okay1
[23:08] <basy> Are there any installers for man pages? I need to install man pages for develop with openGL, i have mangl.tar.Z and there are *html and *3gl manuals, any idea how to install that?
[23:08] <petina> intelikey i have just installed a couple different math and science programs through adepts
[23:08] <tinin> mrdigital if you haven't touched your configurations and things too much, I would recommend you this app for installing graph drivers http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[23:08] <tinin> works like a charm
[23:09] <intelikey> petina ah then it will be as simple as opening adept in the new system and installing them again.
[23:10] <intelikey> petina from what i can gather so far of your system.  it will be an easy "pack and replace" for the home dir.  and all else should go smoothly.
[23:11] <tinin> !envy
[23:11] <ubotu> envy is not needed or supported. Use the Resticted Manager to install binary drivers and see « /msg ubotu binarydriver »
[23:11] <intelikey> petina as to the exact question of the size of the dl to do a three release upgrade.   it would be about 3.4G dl   which you said you were on dialup, would be impossable
[23:11] <HTC> ch phone isn't recognized in Ubuntu.. Using Kmobile how do I configure it?
[23:12] <tinin> HTC unless it uses android...
[23:12] <HTC> touchsmart phone isn't recognized in Ubuntu.. Using Kmobile how do I configure it?
[23:12]  * intelikey still grumbles that "ubuntu" expects everyone to have highspeed inet...
[23:13] <HTC> android isn't found in synaptic???
[23:13] <HTC> what would be the repo for it?
[23:14] <intelikey> !find android
[23:14] <ubotu> Package/file android does not exist in gutsy
[23:14] <Strangelet> Gparted will not allow me to do anything, why is this?
[23:14] <Scubar> Gparted is odd it doesnt work for me half the time either
[23:15] <Strangelet> hmm.
[23:15] <jared> How do i get JAVA on kubuntu?
[23:15] <jared> How do i get JAVA on kubuntu?
[23:15] <basy> kubutu-restricted-extras
[23:15] <tinin> HTC sorry, just joking, it's google's linux operating system for mobiles, try kmobiletools
[23:16] <jared> basy, wheres that?
[23:16] <Tm_T> !restricted | jared
[23:16] <HTC> I did but it dowsn't recognize it
[23:16] <ubotu> jared: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[23:16] <jared> thanks
[23:16] <basy> jared, try adept manager...
[23:16] <basy> enable medibuntu repository first
[23:16] <Tm_T> jared: also, please don't repeat, patience is a virtue
[23:16] <jared> lol
[23:17] <tinin> HTC, what phone is it?
[23:17] <jared> basy, how do I enable that :P
[23:17] <mrdigital> ok i got it to use nvidia but im stuck in 1024x768
[23:18] <Strangelet> Hm, now I am using the Disk & Filesystems dialog in the System Settings, I still cannot delete some partitions in my external HD, how come?
[23:18] <jared> I have another question, what is the difference between Kubuntu and other KDE linux distros?
[23:18] <jared> I have another question, what is the difference between Kubuntu and other KDE linux distros?
[23:18] <basy> jared first: wget -q -O - http://nejakacesta/nejakyklic.key | sudo apt-key add -
[23:18] <basy> sorry : wget -q http://packages.medibuntu.org/medibuntu-key.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[23:18] <basy> this is key
[23:19] <Tm_T> jared: don't repeat
[23:19] <basy> and than add repository with adept manager: deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free #Medibuntu pro Ubuntu 7.10
[23:19] <mrdigital> any ieas?
[23:19] <jared> I don't understand the restricted formats
[23:19] <Strangelet> Hm, now I am using the Disk & Filesystems dialog in the System Settings, I still cannot delete some partitions in my external HD, how come?
[23:20] <mrdigital> glot it!
[23:20] <Strangelet> glot.. lol. XD
[23:21] <jared> I don't understand the restricted formats
[23:21] <Scubar> jared dont u listen ?
[23:21] <Scubar> stop repeating yourself
[23:21] <Scubar> be patient someone will answer when they are ready
[23:21] <Strangelet> Perhaps it's a problem with his client. :P
[23:21] <Scubar> lol
[23:22] <intelikey> jared  restricted formats are file formats that for legal reasons, can't be supported by a FOSS distrobution.
[23:22] <tinin> jared this is ALL you need when you need to read http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy
[23:22] <CppIsWeird> i got down to 1mb of free space, i deleted about 500mb of stuff, and rebooted, now everything is going haywire and saying there is no free space and applications are screwing up, my entire server list for xchat is blank, i have free space
[23:22] <HTC> tinin HTC touch
[23:23] <HTC> tinin by sprint
[23:23] <HTC> sorry   Had to take the dog outside
[23:23] <intelikey> jared that is not to say that you can't install software that will support them.  but that the copy rights conflict between the "restricted formats" and the GNU-GPL
[23:23] <jared> ok, now I know what restricted formats are, how do I install java?
[23:23] <tinin> HTC, too new, and kmobiletools han't improved too much lately
[23:23] <Strangelet> How do I add and delete partitions in my external HD? Gparted seems to be slacking off.
[23:24] <Scubar> lol @ jared
[23:24] <jared> -.-
[23:24] <tinin> jared http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy
[23:24] <Scubar> read the guide man
[23:24] <intelikey> jared you follow the link that ubotu sends you
[23:24] <intelikey> !java | jared
[23:24] <ubotu> jared: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[23:24] <Scubar> ubotu is ur friend
[23:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is ur friend - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:24]  * Scubar hugs ubotu
[23:24] <HTC> HTC Touch model#HTC6700DIC
[23:24] <jared> im not using ubuntu, im using kubuntu, will it matter?
[23:24] <tinin> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[23:24] <tinin> jared not too much
[23:25] <tinin> only some app are different
[23:25] <intelikey> jared only for the applications used in the process.  i.e.   adept rather than synaptic
[23:25] <jared> I got it working in ubuntu by installing it in the synaptic
[23:25] <jared> but Its not in the kubuntu 1
[23:25] <tinin> jared I use kubuntu and synaptic too
[23:25] <tinin> synaptic seems better
[23:26]  * intelikey just sticks with the cli,  they are all the same from there.
[23:26] <jared> ok, i did the sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin and this is what happened:
[23:27] <Tm_T> wajig <3
[23:27]  * Ralesk uses adept for looking through the installed packages -- but plain old apt-get otherwise :D
[23:27] <jared> e: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
[23:27] <jared> y is it looking in the E: I don't even hav a disk in
[23:27] <tinin> jared that's weird
[23:27] <jared> lol
[23:27] <Ralesk> Jared, e: means "Error:"
[23:28] <intelikey> jared    E: == ERROR:
[23:28] <Ralesk> This isn't Windows, we don't have an E: drive :)
[23:28] <tinin> XD
[23:28] <jared> oh lol
[23:28] <Scubar> lol
[23:28] <jared> :P
[23:28] <jared> ok, so do I need to enable something?
[23:28] <intelikey> we don't have a :P drive either.
[23:29] <CppIsWeird> how do i get the calculated space of the content of a directory and any directories inside of it recursively?
[23:29] <jared> coz in Ubuntu I had to tick all the repositories
[23:29] <jared> in the synaptic
[23:29]  * Ralesk . o O (  unrelated, this reminds me of something a friend of mine said:  "I want a :D drive, not a D: drive!"  )
[23:29] <Tm_T> CppIsWeird: du
[23:29] <jared> any1 read my thing? or do I hav to repeat it?
[23:29] <tinin> Java sould be avaliable in the default repositories, but to have more aps avaliable, you should read how to add repos (you only need to aedit a text file with links)
[23:29] <Tm_T> CppIsWeird: du -csh actually
[23:30] <jared> :S
[23:30] <intelikey> jared if you would have done what i told you.  and others said first. and followed the link ubotu sent you............   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java    then we could try to help someone else...
[23:30] <jared> ooh, sorry
[23:30] <jared> didnt c that link
[23:31] <jared> this is for Ubuntu, will there b many differences?
[23:31] <intelikey> day shaw vooo
[23:31] <Scubar> some ppl dont listen
[23:31] <jared> me?
[23:31] <intelikey> yes you
[23:32] <yasahiro> can anyone help? i set the background to kwebdesktop, and it wont go back to using a regular image as the background...
[23:32] <Scubar> do you use windows alot Jared ?
[23:32] <jared> yea lol
[23:32] <Scubar> you not very good with it i take it ?
[23:32] <jared> just a noobie :D
[23:33] <Scubar> 1 thing you learn when your good with windows and new to linux
[23:33] <Scubar> do what your told by ppl
[23:33] <jared> oh, im good with windows
[23:33] <Scubar> it will help you alot easier
[23:33] <jared> not good with linux
[23:33] <Azzmodan> With kde4, where do I put application I want to start after I login, and how do I make gtk apps not look like shit?
[23:33] <jared> well i've never had help with windows lol
[23:33] <Scubar> well thats about to change
[23:33] <Tm_T> !language | Azzmodan
[23:33] <ubotu> Azzmodan: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[23:33] <jared> lol
[23:33] <intelikey> learned it all the "try it and reformat" way
[23:33] <Tm_T> jared: less "lol" thank you ;)
[23:34] <jared> i'll read the Java page in ubuntu wiki
[23:34] <Dogface1> !Repositories
[23:34] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[23:34] <Scubar> so its best you listen to these guys they will only repeat themselves so much :P
[23:34] <jared> and Tm_T, i like laughing, is that a crime?
[23:34] <yasahiro> :( i miss my background... i dont want kwebdesktop...
[23:35] <yasahiro> lol
[23:35] <Azzmodan> Tm_T, that's cute but the word shit is hardly family unfriendly and is quite a normal part of the English language
[23:35] <Ralesk> Kopete seems to choke my -- unfortunately only single-core -- CPU every 30 seconds, for a few seconds each time.  <-- anyone in this now significantly more active channel who might have an idea? :)
[23:35] <Tm_T> Azzmodan: I know
[23:35] <Tm_T> Azzmodan: but gtk doesn't look like it in your system, does it?
[23:35] <Azzmodan> Tm_T, then why waste my time with a cute bot response?
[23:35] <ScorpKing> !coc
[23:35] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[23:35] <Ralesk> Tm_T just loves !stuff :)
[23:35] <stdin> Azzmodan: please watch the attitude
[23:35] <Tm_T> Ralesk: I don't
[23:35] <Azzmodan> Tm_T, I could make a picture for you and you can compare them, I think my dropping might look better
[23:36]  * ScorpKing smiles..
[23:36] <intelikey> Ralesk that would be +o  not !stuff   :)
[23:37] <Ralesk> :)))
[23:37] <Dogface1> When I paste a link into Adept 'New Repository' the link stays grayed out and not useful.  Why is that?
[23:37] <jared> ok, that link didn't help
[23:37] <jared> it told me to type sudo apt-get install sun-java5-bin
[23:37] <Scubar> lol @ azz
[23:37] <jared> so I did
[23:37] <Scubar> what a muppet
[23:37] <jared> and it came up with an e: again
[23:37] <intelikey> Dogface1 you did "apply changes"  didn't you ?
[23:37] <pipatron> Hm, how can I get rid of this horrible 'dolphin' and use konqueror as the default filesystem browser?
[23:37] <matt_____> ScorpKing: umm...is there by any chance a way to get this kde thing to autoupdate without having any input?
[23:38] <ScorpKing> matt____: add apt-get update in a startup script?
[23:38] <tinin> look, jared, I think the packages you need are these ones: sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[23:38] <matt_____> but then it would have to be ran as root no?
[23:38] <intelikey> pipatron that may be in the faq by now.    but !dolphin can answer that too
[23:38] <Scubar> pipatron
[23:38] <Scubar> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=606879
[23:38] <pipatron> intelikey: Okay, thanks
[23:38] <jared> tinin, how do I install them?
[23:39] <tinin> so install them in adept or synaptic
[23:39] <pipatron> Should have checked the FAQ first :)
[23:39] <tinin> you just need to search them
[23:39] <ScorpKing> matt____: root runs the startup scripts
[23:39] <Dogface1> Intelikey, after apply changes it still stays gray
[23:39] <jared> by typing sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre?
[23:39] <tinin> alsoç
[23:39] <matt_____> ok...so just add apt-get update? but what if it wants hte little "y"
[23:39] <matt_____> to accept?
[23:39] <ScorpKing> matt____: it will be in the man pages
[23:39] <jared> search for them where/
[23:39] <jared> ?
[23:40] <matt_____> to auto update with y? ok
[23:40] <tinin> jared you could install them with this comand sudo aptitude install sun-java6-plugin sun-java6-jre
[23:40] <ScorpKing> matt____: man apt-get
[23:40] <intelikey> Dogface1 i'll have to see the sources.list before i can help on that.   if you want to pastebin it i'll look.
[23:40] <matt_____> ScorpKing: i'm trying to setup everything so that i don't need a keyboard/moniter/moluse for the server
[23:40] <ScorpKing> matt____: just ssh into the server ;)
[23:40] <matt_____> ScorpKing: i'll try that out another day...
[23:41] <matt_____> but..while i do have a moniter...what needs to be installed to the server for that?
[23:41] <jared> tinin, that worked, now i"ll go check if Java is working in web apps
[23:41] <Scubar> is there a better way to restart everythging instead of a full reboot ?
[23:41] <ScorpKing> matt____: on the server - sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[23:41] <jared> will konqueror b able to use Java?
[23:41] <Dogface1> !Pastebin
[23:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:41] <Scubar> after installing a couple of apps
[23:41] <intelikey> matt_____ you definitly want ssh on the server. and configured securly.
[23:41] <tinin> jared and ALL you need to know is here, take a look at it http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy
[23:41] <jared> can u answer 1 more question?
[23:41] <matt_____> intelikey: ScorpKing ok...i'll try that another day then...
[23:41]  * ScorpKing goes to get more coffee..
[23:42] <jared> will konqueror b able to use the Java programs I want to run?
[23:42] <tinin> jared use firefox better for internet
[23:42] <matt_____> thanks all
[23:42] <intelikey> jared yes
[23:42] <jared> awsum!
[23:42] <yasahiro> anybody know how to remove kwebdesktop? its not allowing me to change the background....
[23:42] <jared> tinin, i'll install it l8r
[23:42] <jared> omg -.-
[23:42] <jared> didn't work :'(
[23:42] <intelikey> error message ?
[23:42] <Jucato> yasahiro: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> click on the Advanced Options button -> disable "use the following program..."
[23:43] <jared> none
[23:43] <jared> just didn't load
[23:43] <yasahiro> anybody know how to remove kwebdesktop? its not allowing me to change the background....
[23:43] <yasahiro> oops
[23:43] <jared> should I try firefox?
[23:43] <yasahiro> sorry... i tried that... it wont change
[23:43] <Jucato> yasahiro: you disabled it already?
[23:43] <yasahiro> yeah, i did
[23:43] <ScorpKing> jared: install firefox. if flash works in firefox it should work in konqueror as well
[23:43] <yasahiro> sorry, i pressed the up botton accidentally, thus repeating my message
[23:43] <tinin> jared you should install sun-java6-fonts also, so apps will look better
[23:43] <intelikey> jared Jucato might help with that java Q
[23:44] <Jucato> yasahiro: press Ctrl+Esc and see if kwebdesktop is running
[23:44] <jared> jucato?
[23:44] <Jucato> hm?
[23:44] <Jucato> intelikey: no fair! I just woke up!
[23:44] <yasahiro> it is
[23:44] <intelikey> :)
[23:44] <jared> lol
[23:44] <Jucato> yasahiro: kill it?
[23:44] <jared> i thought jucato was a program lol
[23:44] <Jucato> jared: is sun-java6-bin installed?
[23:44] <RabidDog_> Intelikey:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52944/
[23:45] <Jucato> (or sun-java5-bin...)
[23:45] <intelikey> Jucato he installed sun-java6-jre and it isn't working in konq for him.
[23:45] <intelikey> best i can gather.
[23:45] <Jucato> jared: did you enable Java for that particular website?
[23:45] <yasahiro> well now it disappeared from the list before i could kill it...
[23:45] <jared> how do I do that?
[23:45] <fulat2k> hi folks, i booted up k7.10 live cd on a inspiron 630.  however, it didn't detect the sound card.  is there anyway around this?
[23:45] <intelikey> RabidDog_ looking.
[23:45] <Jucato> jared: Tools -> HTML Settings -> Java
[23:46] <jared> k, will check
[23:46] <Jucato> or in Settings -> Configure KOnqueror -> Java and Javascript
[23:46] <Jucato> either enable java per site, or enable it globally
[23:46] <tinin> fulat2k to look first in google is the best thing
[23:46] <intelikey> RabidDog_ ok.  if that is the entire sources.list file then you need to make a new one.
[23:46] <Jucato> jared: if you're going to try to use Java with Firefox, you'll need sun-java6-plugin too
[23:46] <intelikey> !repos | RabidDog_
[23:46] <ubotu> RabidDog_: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[23:46] <fulat2k> tinin: already did.  not much help
[23:46] <tinin> inspiron 630 ubuntu
[23:46] <Jucato> !easysource | intelikey
[23:46] <jared> java is already enabled globally
[23:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about easysource - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[23:47] <Jucato> bah...
[23:47] <Jucato> !source-o-matic | intelikey
[23:47] <tinin> inspiron 630 linux sound
[23:47] <ubotu> intelikey: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[23:47] <yasahiro> it disappeared before i could kill the process kwebdesktop :(
[23:47] <Jucato> :D
[23:47] <Jucato> yasahiro: and still you can't change the background?
[23:47] <intelikey> RabidDog_ if that's the url of a single repo you want to add.  then you need the correct syntax    deb url reponame
[23:47] <yasahiro> right
[23:47] <yasahiro> :(
[23:47] <jared> java is already enabled globally...
[23:47] <yasahiro> it still has the kdestop environment page as my background..
[23:48] <intelikey> Jucato is there not a link there on the repos page ?
[23:48] <tinin> jared you should press Control+Alt+Backspace
[23:48] <Jucato> yasahiro: maybe when you logout and log back in it will be fixed?
[23:48] <Jucato> jared: don't!
[23:48] <yasahiro> i tried that
[23:48] <yasahiro> even completely rebooting
[23:48] <Jucato> tinin: why should he restart X?
[23:48] <tinin> XD
[23:49] <tinin> Because he shhould read
[23:49] <tinin> just a joke
[23:49] <Jucato> tinin: do NOT do that again
[23:49] <jared> tinin, what will that do?
[23:49] <fulat2k> tinin: hm... nothing as well
[23:49] <jared> doesnt that restart my comp?
[23:49] <tinin> no
[23:49] <tinin> just your desktop
[23:49] <jared> aha...
[23:50] <Jucato> jared: no. don't follow that. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace will restart your X server, it will basically kill every GUI without prompting you
[23:50] <jared> Java still isn't working
[23:50] <Jucato> and has nothing to do with Java
[23:50] <jared> k
[23:50] <jared> I have it enabled globally, and in html settings
[23:50] <yasahiro> ive tried logging out and back in before...
[23:50] <yasahiro> even restarting
[23:51] <tinin> fulat2k have you tried any other live cd?
[23:51] <intelikey> :)))
[23:52] <Jucato> jared: hold on. a little patience always helps
[23:52] <jared> hmph
[23:52] <Jucato> hmph?
[23:52] <intelikey> shalom fellows.    i'm went.
[23:53] <Jucato> bye intelikey
[23:53] <Jucato> jared: how is java not working exactly?
[23:53] <jared> hmph = Said when expressing apathy towards something
[23:53] <jared> jucato, it just isn't doing anything
[23:54] <jared> when it wasn't working on Ubuntu it came up with a white screen saying applet failed to load, or sumthing to that effect
[23:54] <jared> now it isn't working at all
[23:54] <jared> just comes up with a black screen
[23:54] <jared> wait, this time a white screen :O
[23:54] <Jucato> run this command: "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and tell me which line has the *
[23:56] <jared> it returned:
[23:56] <jared> There is only 1 program which provides java
[23:56] <jared> (/usr/bin/gij-4.2). Nothing to configure.
[23:56] <Jucato> hm... are you sure you installed sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-bin?
[23:56] <jared> yeah...
[23:56] <RabidDog_> Intellikey: Is this right?  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52946/
[23:56] <jared> wanna giv me sum code to check?
[23:58] <Jucato> jared: "dpkg -l | grep java"
[23:58] <Jucato> (dpkg -l to list all installed packages, grep java to filter out only those that have java in their name)
[23:58] <jared> There is only 1 program which provides java
[23:58] <jared> (/usr/bin/gij-4.2). Nothing to configure.
[23:59] <Jucato> [07:58] <Jucato> jared: "dpkg -l | grep java"
[23:59] <jared> jared@jared-desktop:~$ dpkg -l | grep java
[23:59]  * genii makes sure Jucato gets a mug of coffee
[23:59] <jared> ii  libjaxp1.3-java                            1.3.03-5                           Java XML parser and transformer APIs (DOM, S
[23:59] <jared> ii  libjline-java                              0.9.5-3ubuntu2                     Java library for handling console input
[23:59] <jared> ii  libxalan2-java                             2.7.0-4                            XSL Transformations (XSLT) processor in Java
[23:59] <jared> ii  libxerces2-java                            2.8.1-2                            Validating XML parser for Java with DOM leve
[23:59] <jared> ii  openoffice.org-java-common                 1:2.3.0-1ubuntu5                   OpenOffice.org office suite Java support arc
[23:59] <jared> jared@jared-desktop:~$
[23:59] <jared> oops lol
[23:59] <Jucato> jared: don't paste here!
[23:59] <jared> thats what I did
[23:59] <jared> sorry...
[23:59] <Jucato> see? there's no sun java
[23:59] <jared> oooh
[23:59] <jared> I followed someone's instructions before
[23:59] <jared> so blame them :P
[23:59] <Jucato> you didn't install it. or maybe you thought you did, but did you agree to the license agreement portion?