[01:00] <Legendario> could anyone help me on PPA?
[01:00] <Legendario> my package was not accepted...
[01:00] <thumper> Legendario: please see channel topic
[01:00] <poolie> Legendario, what message did you get 
[01:01] <ubotu> New bug: #184708 in launchpad-bazaar "Register branch should give a preview of the resulting branch URL as it will be" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184708
[01:01] <thumper> hey, the topic change
[01:01] <thumper> d
[01:01] <Legendario> will paste bin...
[01:03] <Legendario> got the following message and didn't understand why it was rejected: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52844/
[01:03] <Legendario> if anyone can tell me the reason, i'll be glad.
[01:04] <gryc> "sive_1.b.3.dsc: Section 'unknown' is not valid", I think "Section" is in debian/control, right?
[01:06] <Legendario> gryc, i tried to find before... but i'll take a look againg...
[01:07] <poolie> Legendario, can you paste your .changes file and .dsc file too?
[01:07] <Legendario> sure... only one second...
[01:07] <Legendario> should i paste both of them on the same page or separeted?
[01:11] <Legendario> that's the .dsc file: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52845/
[01:11] <Legendario> and that's the .changes one: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52846/
[01:12] <Legendario> it's all there folks...
[01:16] <Legendario> i just couldn't find any "unkown" or "section" words on both files
[01:17] <gryc> perhaps it's missing a "Section" and it defaults to "unknown"?
[01:17] <Legendario> gryc, what section could it be?
[01:18] <gryc> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[01:22] <Legendario> you're meaning the 2.4 section on the site page, right?
[01:22] <gryc> exactly
[01:23] <gryc> If you dont have Section defined, you need to define one in your control file 
[01:25] <\sh> Legendario, Section: optional is most of the time the correct thing to set... 
[01:29] <Legendario> you know what is the weirdest thing? The 2nd line on the contron file is "Section: unkown". But it doesn't show up on the .dsc or .changes files. Are they supposed to be there as the launchpad message tells me?
[01:30] <jamesh> Legendario: the "unknown" value is probably due to the header missing
[01:32] <Legendario> jamesh, sorry. I got more confused now... what header is missing? do u want me to paste bin my control file
[01:33] <jamesh> Legendario: okay
[01:34] <Legendario> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52851/ here  it is?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> \sh_away: for priority, yes.  please read next time :)
[01:37] <Hobbsee> Legendario: you need to set a section there, which isn't unknown.
[01:37] <jamesh> there is probably an easy way to list all the sections, right? :)
[01:38] <Legendario> Hobbsee, ok. Do you have any hints on what it could be?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> [12:18] <gryc> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections is probably a good place to start
[01:41] <Hobbsee> in particular:
[01:41] <Hobbsee> The Debian archive maintainers provide the authoritative list of sections. At present, they are: admin, base, comm, contrib, devel, doc, editors, electronics, embedded, games, gnome, graphics, hamradio, interpreters, kde, libs, libdevel, mail, math, misc, net, news, non-free, oldlibs, otherosfs, perl, python, science, shells, sound, tex, text, utils, web, x11.
[01:45] <Legendario> Hobbsee, thanks a lot man! Only one more thing... I don't really need to build the package again, do i? I can just change it and try to upload the source again, right?
[01:45] <Hobbsee> Legendario: you need to build the source again for your changes to get updated.  you don't need to rebuild the binary
[01:45] <Hobbsee> ie, use debuild -S -sa
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Legendario: btw, you need to check out man shlibdepbs
[01:52] <Legendario> what does btw means? Sorry, but i am not a native english speaker. I have no man entry shlibdepbs
[01:54] <Hobbsee> oh.  by the way
[01:54] <Legendario> oh. ok.
[01:54] <Hobbsee> sorry, it's  man dpkg-shlibdeps 
[01:55] <Hobbsee> and dh_shlibdeps
[01:55] <Legendario> what is it about
[01:58] <Hobbsee> the short version is that if you have a build depends of foo-dev, foo will automatically get put as a dependancy, so you don't need to hard code it in your dependancy field
[01:59]  * Hobbsee --> afk
[02:01] <Legendario> ok. i am giving my first steps on packaging... what is foo?
[02:02] <Legendario> isn't dh_shlibdeps run on debuild?
[02:05] <gryc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo
[02:05] <gryc> and I believe so, if you include it in your rules file
[02:10] <Legendario> gryc, wow! i would never guess the meaning of foo without your help.. ;-)
[02:10] <gryc> very welcome :D
[02:11] <Legendario> Hobbsee, but i don't have to worry about the dependencies field because it was already given by the author...
[02:12] <Legendario> but it is always nice to know this dh_shlibdeps for the next times... it sounds like handy
[02:13] <Legendario> although i must find out how to use it... ;-)
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Legendario: true, but the way debian packages work is that you specify the build depends, it guesses the corresponding depends for those build depends (almost always correctly), and then you can just add any extras
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Legendario: you're already using it, as you have Depends: ${shlibs:Depends},
[02:14] <Hobbsee> so then when the library names change (libfoo0 --> libfoo1) you can just rebuild the package, rather than specifying the new dependancy
[02:14] <Hobbsee> which is quicker and easier
[02:18] <Legendario> Hobbsee, can see it now. but as i told you, this field came filled by the software author. Next time i build a package my own in a different case, i will have to find out how to use it. It is not only writing  ${shlibs:Depends} on Depends:, is it?
[02:18] <Hobbsee> it is
[02:19] <Hobbsee> the manpages there refer to now to create the multi-binary packages, so that the correct dependancies get picked up, when those packages are used as build depends.
[02:19] <Legendario> so, it is easier than i tought!!!! :-D
[02:19] <Hobbsee> yup :)
[02:19] <Legendario> great
[02:20] <Legendario> i'll be a professional packager soon...
[02:20] <Legendario> this stuff should be included on the wiki packaging guide. i guess it is not there yet.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> it is, last i checked
[02:21] <Hobbsee> which was arguably a while ago
[02:21] <Legendario> on the official wiki guide?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> !packagingguide
[02:21] <ubotu> packagingguide is The packaging guide is at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment - See also !backports
[02:22] <Hobbsee> hm, apparently it isn't now
[02:23] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: what are you looking for?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: shlibdeps
[02:23] <LaserJock> hmm
[02:24] <Hobbsee> i thought it used to be there
[02:24] <Hobbsee> but it doesn't appera in the wiki version
[02:24] <LaserJock> it is mentioned
[02:24] <LaserJock> briefly though
[02:25] <Hobbsee> not explained.  or i'm blind.  either way
[02:25] <LaserJock> "For hello, we see ${shlibs:Depends}, which is a variable that substitutes in the needed shared libraries."
[02:25] <Legendario> i think it really isn't  there
[02:25] <Legendario> not explaned though
[02:25] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: that's not enough
[02:25] <LaserJock> well, people usually find it a bit too much
[02:26] <LaserJock> and it normally isn't a big deal
[02:26] <LaserJock> but it's a wiki page so feel free to improve it :-)
[02:26] <jamesh> wikis mean no one is responsible
[02:26]  * Hobbsee glances at time.  ack
[02:26] <LaserJock> jamesh: that's not true
[02:26] <Legendario> yeah, it should be there. well explaned
[02:26] <jamesh> because everyone is responsible
[02:26] <Hobbsee> jamesh: well, launchpad people could improve it, in return for MOTU people ending up doing support for your ppas.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:27] <LaserJock> jamesh: we have people watching it
[02:27] <LaserJock> Legendario: the problem is that often times people get turned off but all the info. We have to strike a balance between being readable and having enough info
[02:28] <LaserJock> we should at least have a link to the relevent man pages
[02:28] <Hobbsee> jamesh: then the LP people could provide their own ppa support :)
[02:29] <Legendario> LaserJock, a short explanation would handle the task. Like: write ${shlibs:Depends} on the Depends: field for the dh_libdeps script handle the dependencies for you...
[02:30] <LaserJock> Legendario: yes, that is basically assumed, but at that point in the packaging guide we're not even using dh_shlibdeps
[02:31] <LaserJock> we'll have to think about that a tad
[02:31] <LaserJock> but thanks for bringing it up
[02:32] <Legendario> LaserJock, your welcome! I love to be a part of this community. ;-) you know, one of the things i think that really makes a difference on ubuntu, is its receptive community...
[02:33] <LaserJock> Legendario: well, if you have any problems with the packaging guide feel free to let us know, we're always eager to hear from people just learning
[02:33] <LaserJock> we can't promise to get things added immediately as we're all volunteers with less time than we'd like for Ubuntu, but we'll try to take care of it
[02:35] <Legendario> LaserJock, great! As you know so much the wiki, let me ask u something: have the other languages wiki the same password as the english one?
[02:36] <LaserJock> Legendario: no, the other, language-specific wikis, are handled separately I believe
[02:36] <LaserJock> they are encouraged to translate content, but we like the LoCo teams to be responsible for them
[02:36] <Legendario> cause i was thinking about starting translating the packaging guide to portuguese but i just can't log in and the site simply doesn't recover my password...
[02:37] <LaserJock> right
[02:37] <LaserJock> you'd need to ask the people that run the Portuguese wiki
[02:38] <Legendario> but it was supposed to recover my password right. The problem is that i can't find them...
[02:41] <Legendario> well, i'll try to submit my package again. hope everything goes right this time.
[02:45] <Legendario> it was nice chating with you guys today. l learned lots of things...
[02:45] <Legendario> thanks for all  the help
[02:47] <Legendario> gotta go now
[02:49] <stelt> Why don't i see all the bugs i've reported?
[02:49] <LaserJock> stelt: where are you looking for them?
[02:50] <stelt> Laserjock, https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-steltenpower/
[02:51] <LaserJock> and did you click on the link on the left?
[02:51] <spiv> stelt: https://bugs.launchpad.net/people/+me/+reportedbugs
[02:52] <LaserJock> stelt: and also notice that it only shows open bugs by default
[02:52] <spiv> stelt: you may also want the "advanced search" if you are looking for bugs that have been closed
[02:52] <spiv> LaserJock: you beat me to it :)
[03:27] <Hobbsee> cprov-afk: is delete for ppas supposed to be on staging yet?
[05:07] <poolie> cprov-afk, hi, i'm having some PPA problems 
[05:07] <poolie> or anyone really
[05:07] <poolie> i'm making uploads but not seeming to get either accept or reject mails
[05:07] <poolie> this is annoying....
[05:08] <RAOF> Not again :(
[05:12] <poolie> heh
[05:25]  * ScottK just got a reject mail, so that's something
[05:27] <ScottK> Third time's the charm, right?
[05:27]  * poolie is frustrated
[05:30]  * ScottK too - third time wasn't the charm
[05:32] <poolie> now i'm getting 
[05:32] <poolie> Signer has no upload rights at all to this distribution.
[05:32] <poolie> Signer is not permitted to upload to the component 'main' of file 'bzrtools_1.1.0-1~bazaar1~hardy1.dsc'
[05:32] <ScottK> Then you probably uploaded to Ubuntu and not to PPA.
[05:32] <jamesh> poolie: are you uploading to your PPA directory?
[05:32] <poolie> that's it
[05:33] <spiv> It'd be nice if PPA could notice trivial errors a little more quickly, even if it doesn't build the package any faster.
[05:34] <poolie> ScottK, that's it, i think, i'm sending from a different machine without zsh_history and forgot to include the hostname
[05:34] <poolie> um
[05:34] <jamesh> spiv: agreed.  I imagine this will become a priority as more people use the service
[05:35] <spiv> jamesh: (for that matter, PQM would also benefit from that...)
[05:35] <RAOF> poolie: This is why my default dput config sends the package to my local buildserver, rather than where anyone could notice it :)
[05:35] <jamesh> spiv: hosting branches at bazaar.launchpad.net wasn't particularly great before the optimisations
[05:36] <poolie> that's not the whole explanation though, as i also uploaded just through lftp
[05:36] <poolie> RAOF, interesting, i guess i could add a default section with an invalid host....
[05:36] <jamesh> poolie: it'd be worth setting up dput then
[05:37] <poolie> i have it set up
[05:37] <poolie> i tried lftp as well, to see if that would work better
[05:38] <poolie> yay
[05:39] <RAOF> poolie: It's somewhat more important for me; I *do* have upload privilages to Universe, so I'd prefer as many idiot-proofing features between me and an unexpected upload as possible.
[05:39] <poolie> sure
[05:39] <poolie> [ubuntu]
[05:39] <poolie> fqdn = SPECIFY.A.PPA.NAME
[05:39] <poolie> wfm
[05:50] <ScottK> Note to self: Revision number can't be the same as you've already uploaded to another release.
[05:50]  * ScottK smacks forehead.
[05:51]  * RAOF finds that a bit awkward, really.
[05:53] <poolie> it annoys me that i need to manually add to the changelog and rebuild the package and reupload for a package that builds on all distribution versions with no changes
[05:53] <poolie> i guess this can be scripted through dch, etc
[05:58] <LaserJock> dput will have default entries for ppa in hardy
[05:59] <poolie> ?
[05:59] <poolie> how will it know which ppa?
[05:59] <jamesh> poolie: jkakar wrote a tool called "autoppa" to help with that.  I haven't tried it personally
[06:00] <LaserJock> poolie: oh wait, that was REVU
[06:00] <LaserJock> we discussed ppa but that was the issue, figuring out what ppa
[06:00] <LaserJock> seems like looking at the gpg key should work
[06:01] <poolie> you can have team ppas
[06:01] <LaserJock> yes, it would have to be only for personal ppas
[06:01] <poolie> so one person could, it seems to me, upload any source pkg to any number of ppas
[06:02] <LaserJock> *but* ubuntu is already defined in dput
[06:02] <LaserJock> so I don't know if that's the confusion
[06:05] <ubotu> New bug: #184737 in launchpad "show likely tags on pages that prompt to enter tags" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184737
[06:11] <ScottK> LaserJock: A safer option might be to have no default target for dput, so you have to type ubuntu if you actually want to upload.
[06:14] <LaserJock> ScottK: that's basically what I do
[06:15] <LaserJock> although I do enforce it myself
[06:15] <LaserJock> I'm sure somebody would complain if we had no default
[06:24] <poolie> ScottK, that's what i did myself
[06:24] <poolie> i might suggest that for the ppa guide
[06:37] <jkakar> poolie: AutoPPA automates every aspect of a build, including handling distribution-specific variants in things like debian/control, committing changes to a release branch and merging that branch back to a source.
[06:37] <jkakar> poolie: It knows which PPA to use by looking in a configuration file.
[06:37] <poolie> jkakar, nice
[06:38]  * poolie reads
[06:38] <poolie> does that mean, in Debian terms, it must be a 'native' package?
[07:27] <LaserJock> poolie: I'm not sure AutoPPA should be generally recommended for newbs at this point
[07:27] <poolie> maybe just referenced, if not mentioned
[07:28] <LaserJock> it should maybe be in some "Now I know how to do it, how can I do it better/faster?"
[07:28] <LaserJock> it seems fairly tied to bzr
[07:29] <LaserJock> so having people learning bzr and packaging is probably a lot for people
[07:35] <poolie> LaserJock, that sounds good
[08:25] <carlos_> morning
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #184752 in rosetta "Show English "translations" in UI if available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184752
[09:02] <mpt> Goooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[09:03] <jt1> mpt: and goooood morning to you!
[10:41] <philn> hi! a little PPA question, would it be possible to sign the repository Release file with the GPG user key?
[10:45] <jamesh> philn: not with the user's PGP key
[10:46] <philn> i see it'd require the user to enter his password, somehow
[10:46] <jamesh> philn: that would require you to make your private key available to us, which we aren't going to request
[10:46] <geser> philn: that and your private key
[10:46] <philn> and what about an "official" PPA key?
[10:46] <jamesh> that is more likely
[10:46] <jamesh> a PPA signing key
[10:47] <daniel_ki> ah
[10:47] <jamesh> https://bugs.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/125103 <- scheduled for 1.2.2
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125103 in soyuz "ppa archives are not signed" [High,Confirmed] 
[10:48] <daniel_ki> why isn't at least the signing of the individual packages passed through, though?
[10:48] <daniel_ki> I mean I get warnings even for my very own packages :)
[10:48] <bigjools> because we'd need your private key to sign them
[10:48] <jamesh> daniel_ki: well, the stuff you are installing from the PPA is different to what you uploaded
[10:48] <daniel_ki> they are already signed
[10:49] <philn> when is 1.2.2 planned?
[10:49] <bigjools> the built pacakges are not already signed
[10:49] <jamesh> source package vs. binary package
[10:49] <daniel_ki> hm darn
[10:49] <jamesh> philn: February
[10:49] <daniel_ki> damn damn damn :)
[10:49] <philn> ok
[10:58] <philn> and remove pkgs support is scheduled for that release too?
[11:05] <ubotu> New bug: #184787 in malone "Bugtracker-alias input validation reports unhelpful errors" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184787
[11:24] <DaveMorris> Hi, I spoke to someone a while ago (mthaddon I think) about having some packages removed from my ppa which you where able to do for me, however they weren't removed from my published archive, which prevents me from uploading a new source file.  Any chance this has been solved yet?  The answer thread on it is at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/19240
[11:42] <cprov-afk> DaveMorris: actually the fact that the orig remained in the disk pool looks like a bug, because according the model it should be removed. Can you please upload you new source version so I can check what happens with the current code ?
[11:49] <DaveMorris> cprov-afk: will you need to see the email it sends me?  Since my email server is currently down due to a disk failure
[11:50] <cprov-afk> DaveMorris: no, I have access to the system processing the uploads. So, just call dput as you normally do and I will track it.
[11:51] <DaveMorris> uploaidng now
[11:51]  * Hobbsee waves to cprov-afk
[11:52] <cprov> Hobbsee: hi there
[11:57] <cprov> DaveMorris: 11:55:15 DEBUG       Subject: [PPA dave-greenacre] Accepted: opensg 1.8.0-0ubuntu1 (source)
[12:03] <DaveMorris> cprov: I think that was my mistake, since the name had changed, see http://ppa.launchpad.net/dave-greenacre/ubuntu/pool/main/o/opensg/
[12:03] <DaveMorris> I'll upload the correct one this time
[12:04] <DaveMorris> uploading it now
[12:04] <cprov> DaveMorris: ok
[12:14] <cprov> DaveMorris: sorry, I got distracted. 12:05:17 DEBUG       Subject: [PPA dave-greenacre] Accepted: opensg 1.8.0alpha1-0ubuntu1 (source)
[12:15] <DaveMorris> no prob,  it seems to be working, can you do 1 last favour and remove that latest package otherwise it'll tie the ppa systems up for 3hrs or so
[12:16] <ubotu> New bug: #184795 in launchpad "Notification when you're added to a team has awkward Subject" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184795
[12:17] <Hobbsee> ouch 
[12:18] <Hobbsee> @ email to lp-users
[12:21] <ubotu> New bug: #184798 in launchpad "Most membership notifications omit the URL of the team" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184798
[12:24] <cprov> DaveMorris: which version do you want me to remove ?
[13:47] <Kmos> OOPS-751EB40
[13:56] <jt1> Kmos: Sorry about that...  It's better than it used to be, but it still happens sometimes.
[14:02] <kiko> happens more on production than on edge for some reason
[14:03] <kiko> maybe it's just because all the bots use production
[14:03] <Kmos> jtv: it happened to me on edge
[14:03] <Kmos> =)
[14:05] <jtv> Production is more heavily loaded, but it's possible that edge has less of the stuff it needs in FS cache.
[14:21] <kiko> jtv, why would that matter for a DB timeout, though?
[14:22] <jtv> kiko: far as we can tell, that's the whole cause of the timeouts.  Just too much data that's not in cache.
[14:23] <jtv> kiko: so for heavy load, you get memory pressure.  But for a lightly-loaded setup, you risk requesting data that nobody's read into memory recently.
[14:24] <kiko> jtv, what are you talking about? edge uses the same database server as production.
[14:24] <jtv> kiko: ah, of course.  Stupid of me.
[14:24] <kiko> am I confused, or are you? 
[14:24] <kiko> ah
[14:24] <jtv> I am.  Sorry.
[14:24] <kiko> you!
[14:24] <jtv> Yes, me again.
[14:25] <jtv> Forgot my head on staging again.
[14:48] <jjesse> i can't remember this, but what permssions need to be set on my ssh key for launchpad/bazzar
[15:30] <IronMaidenAWAy> /c
[15:59] <jjesse> sorry having computer connections problems, what permissions do i need to set on my ssh key to use bzr and launchpad?
[16:00] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~/.ssh% ls -la id_dsa*                             3:00AM
[16:00] <Hobbsee> -rw------- 1 sarah sarah 736 2007-01-09 17:00 id_dsa
[16:00] <Hobbsee> -rwxr--r-- 1 sarah sarah 601 2007-01-09 17:00 id_dsa.pub
[16:00] <Hobbsee> wfm
[16:00] <jjesse> thanks sarah
[16:00] <Hobbsee> you're welcome
[16:25] <ubotu> New bug: #184835 in malone "Add status '9' (which equates to WONTFIX) to the Roundup external bug tracker" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184835
[18:55] <ubotu> New bug: #184875 in blueprint "TraversalError in assignments page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184875
[19:29] <arnetheduck> Hi, an svn import request was submitted for my little project dcplusplus, but now the release series page says "Import status: test failed"...is there anything I can do to help making it work?
[19:40] <kiko> arnetheduck, hmm, you need to talk to thumper -- best to ask a question, see /topic
[19:40] <kiko> arnetheduck, where is your project's SVN hosted?
[19:40] <kiko> arnetheduck, and are you not interested in doing a permanent import? those are easier to do.
[19:43] <ido_> hey 
[19:43] <ido_> is launchpad only for OSS ?
[19:44] <ido_> or can I host a private project I'm creating for myself? 
[19:45] <intellectronica> ido_: what sort of project is it? a commercial one?
[19:46] <arnetheduck> kiko, https://dcplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/dcplusplus/dcplusplus/trunk, and a permanent autoupdating import would be nice
[19:47] <kiko> arnetheduck, why don't you just move to BZR wholesale? :)
[19:47] <intellectronica> ido_: anyway, yes, launchpad is for free software / open source projects
[19:47] <arnetheduck> what's ppa btw?
[19:47] <arnetheduck> (yes, I'm a newbie =)
[19:48] <kiko> arnetheduck, it's a personal archive where you can upload your packages and have them built against Ubuntu and published in your own repository.
[19:48] <kiko> ido_, can you talk to elliot@canonical.com about your request?
[19:50] <arnetheduck> kiko, sourceforge doesn't offer it and I don't want to move everything just yet...
[19:51] <kiko> arnetheduck, you can move in parts, but ok. it's odd that it's failing to import from sourceforge; we have many imports from there that work fine.
[19:52] <arnetheduck> kiko, well, that's what the page says, with a helpful note to ask here =)...could it be that it's not a linux project?
[19:53] <kiko> arnetheduck, no, the test failure is likely to be some sort of connectivity or repository problem. 
[19:53] <kiko> arnetheduck, can you ask a question (see /topic0?
[19:54] <arnetheduck> kiko, you mean submit a question to help.launchpad.net somehow?
[19:55] <arnetheduck> or attend to the development meeting?
[19:57] <kiko> arnetheduck, sorry, somebody mangled the topic.
[19:57] <kiko> arnetheduck, I meant answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[19:59]  * kiko fixes again and scowls at whoever broked it
[19:59] <arnetheduck> kiko, ot regarding bazaar, what's the difference between that and mercurial? they seem to be similar both in functionality and implementation...
[20:01] <kiko> arnetheduck, wow, there is no simple answer to that. there are some comparison pages on the web. ultimately they have the same functionality and slightly different implementations.
[20:07] <arnetheduck> kiko, yeah, I read some reviews and comparisons but they didn't come to any clear conclusion which made me wonder why the two projects were separate...
[20:09] <arnetheduck> kiko, mercurial seemed to have a slight performance advantage (some releases ago) and seemed more explicit about win32 support (which is interesting for me since I happen to develop a windows app even if I do it on linux these days) but other than that...
[20:10] <kiko> arnetheduck, bazaar's support for win32 is first-class, I can say that.
[20:10] <kiko> it's a primary target platform
[20:10] <kiko> as for performance it has changed a lot in the past months
[20:12] <arnetheduck> kiko, ooh. Import status for my project changed to testing so I'll wait with the question =)
[20:12] <arnetheduck> kiko, I just did a commit so the server is up for sure =)
[20:13] <kiko> aha
[20:13] <kiko-afk> okay will bbiab
[20:13] <arnetheduck> thanks for the answers =)
[20:16] <kiko-afk> most welcome. 
[20:20] <arnetheduck> ...and a general question, what's the recommended permission for the translators...? mine is mainly a win32 project (although there's also a gtk+ fork that uses the core library), so I don't think for example ubuntu-translators are interested
[20:42] <philn> if i ask gently would it be possible to remove a pkg from my ppa? ;)
[20:47] <pochu> philn: ask for it in the questions tracker, see /topic
[20:48] <philn> oh; ok
[21:13] <arnetheduck> thumper, hi, kiko told me that you might know about why the svn import for my project (dcpluplus) showed failed status, so if there's any information you need that I can provide...
[21:14] <thumper> arnetheduck: hi
[21:14] <thumper> arnetheduck: yeah, lemmie go check the logs
[21:14] <arnetheduck> thumper, but as we were typing, the status changed back to "testing" where it's been now for an hour or so
[21:15] <thumper> arnetheduck: probably because I haven't marked it Don't sync
[21:15] <thumper> arnetheduck: and it just failed, but is going to try again
[21:16] <arnetheduck> thumper, well, at least the url works from my browser and svn client right now, so at least the sourceforge end should be fine
[21:17] <arnetheduck> for reference, it's https://dcplusplus.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/dcplusplus/dcplusplus/trunk
[21:20] <ubotu> New bug: #184910 in malone "checkwatches should take a command-line argument to update a specific bugtracker " [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184910
[21:21] <thumper> arnetheduck: when did you talk with kiko?
[21:22] <thumper> arnetheduck: The notes I have say that the import failed with a connection error
[21:22] <thumper> arnetheduck: I can attempt it again if you like
[21:23] <arnetheduck> thumper, about an hour ago...
[21:23] <thumper> arnetheduck: perhaps kiko changed the status of the import
[21:25] <arnetheduck> thumper, I don't think so, he sounded surprised when I told him
[21:25] <thumper> hmm...
[21:26] <thumper> arnetheduck: I've kicked off another import request, and if it errors out, I'll let you know
[21:27] <arnetheduck> thumper, ok, thanks...I'll hold commits for a while just to be safe
[21:29] <thumper> arnetheduck: ok
[21:30] <arnetheduck> thumper, btw, is it possible to create a new translators group? or rather - mine is a win32 project so none of the existing groups really fits, so I'm not sure who to assign...
[21:34] <thumper> arnetheduck: I believe so
[21:35] <salty-horse> hi. when requesting a bzr mirror of an svn tree hosted on, say, sourceforge.net, do launchpad devs ask sf.net for the svndump, or is the conversion done manually? it can be pretty taxing on big repositories
[21:36] <arnetheduck> thumper, oh...I've been browsing around on the site and couldn't find anything obvious so I was hoping you'd know being an admin and all =)
[21:36] <thumper> arnetheduck: how to create a team?
[21:37] <thumper> arnetheduck: https://launchpad.net/people and choose the link 'Register a team'
[21:37] <thumper> arnetheduck: and I'm not an admin :)
[21:37] <thumper> arnetheduck: I just deal with all things branch related
[21:42] <arnetheduck> thumper, I have a team already, but I need a "translation group" (I think...)...
[21:43] <arnetheduck> thumper, I need something that's assignable from the "change translators" action so that I can assign permissions, and teams don't appear in the menu...
[21:43] <arnetheduck> thumper, oh well, one step at a time...
[22:31] <arnetheduck> one hour and still processing...I'm off to sleep, nite!
[23:25] <ubotu> New bug: #184949 in launchpad-bazaar "Manual urls expose the disk layout" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184949
[23:55] <ubotu> New bug: #184954 in launchpad "mirror checker problem in verifying files?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184954