[00:33] <MugginsM> is anyone successfully using Eclipse in Hardy?
[00:33] <MugginsM> I'm getting lots of crashes with "Assertion `c->xlib.lock' failed", was wondering if it was just me
[00:37] <MugginsM> oh, found an answer on the forums, it wasn't just me :)
[00:37] <void^> java bug, set LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=true
[00:38] <MugginsM> thanks
[00:38] <MugginsM> Write Once, Stacktrace Anywhere
[00:41] <MugginsM> ok that seems a wee bit more stable
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> Just did the usial update, and got this:
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> kmail: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so: undefined symbol: _ZN15KFolderTreeItem13setFolderSizeEx
[00:57] <MaximLevitsky> Seems like a broken package
[00:58] <MaximLevitsky> I wish I could downgrade the packages automaticly via apt
[00:59] <MugginsM> 's why I keep old .debs around
[00:59] <MugginsM> in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:00] <MugginsM> makes it possible to roll back
[01:00] <wastrel> will that fix the java plugin ?
[01:00] <MaximLevitsky> Well I have qute a lot of them there too :-)
[01:01] <MaximLevitsky> But I tend to clean this folder qute often :-(
[01:02] <MaximLevitsky> If you have problem with java, try this workaround export ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1
[01:02] <MaximLevitsky> export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1
[01:13] <MaximLevitsky> great!, I updated few more packages now, and kmail work again. sorry for the noise.
[06:24] <emet> do you think firefox 3 will make it into hardy?
[06:31] <blkorpheus> its in hardy
[06:31] <blkorpheus> now
[06:55] <dmb> its in gutsy also
[06:55] <dmb> just a very alpha version
[06:57] <bazhang> the beta is nice
[07:28] <blkorpheus> very
[07:29] <blkorpheus> low memory usage
[07:29] <blkorpheus> trying out the new 64bit opera
[08:25] <aslan> hey, is there a known problem with the latest kernel for hardy and the nvidia driver?
[08:25] <aslan> I tried to use the hardy kernel in gutsy because I'm running amd64 and would like tickless
[08:25] <aslan> I also tried just installing hardy fresh
[08:26] <aslan> and each time when the nvidia driver is installed, whether it's through restricted-manager, or just from nvidia.com all I get is a white screen when I boot up.
[08:26] <aslan> no errors in Xorg log
[08:26] <aslan> so I'm not sure where to begin troubleshooting....
[08:31] <scizzo-> aslan: just a blank white screen?
[08:32] <scizzo-> aslan: what nvidia card and what driver are you installing and can you paste the xorg.conf file in a pastebin?
[08:33] <aslan> scizzo-: well the nvidia card is an 8600m GT, and the driver is the latest one in hardy.. not actually on the hardy laptop right now, it's at home
[08:33] <aslan> and I'm at work, I was just hoping for some troubleshooting steps
[08:33] <aslan> I looked through the Xorg.0.log file, and the only thing I see are normal warnings about auto detecting resolution etc...
[08:43] <scizzo-> aslan: is it the nvidia-glx-new?
[08:51] <aslan> scizzo-: yes that's what it installs with
[08:51] <aslan> when using restricted-manager
[08:51] <aslan> I also tried installing by downloading from nvidia.com
[08:51] <aslan> and using the script to build my own module based on my kernel version.
[08:52] <RAOF> aslan: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[08:53] <aslan> RAOF: umm.. I don't think so unless it installs by default
[08:53] <aslan> I've tried a couple different ways
[08:53] <aslan> I tried by doing a fresh install of hardy alpha2
[08:53] <aslan> and then installing nvidia driver
[08:54] <aslan> the restricted-manager syas I don't have any restricted hardware
[08:54] <aslan> so I tried installing from nvidia.com
[08:54] <RAOF> Odd.
[08:54] <RAOF> Well, that's a bad plan, basically.
[08:54] <aslan> I can't get alpha3 to work, doesn't like my cd-rom drive
[08:54] <RAOF> linux-restricted-modules doesn't play very well with self-installed drivers.
[08:55] <aslan> RAOF: ya I figured
[08:55] <aslan> so I actually reinstalled hardy fresh
[08:55] <aslan> and tried installing nvidia-glx-new
[08:55] <aslan> and same thing
[08:55] <aslan> I then tried using gutsy (fresh install)
[08:55] <aslan> updating kernel to hardy's kernel
[08:55] <aslan> and that went fine
[08:56] <aslan> but when restricted-manager started saying I didn't have any restricted hardware
[08:56] <aslan> and wouldn't install nvidia driver again
[08:56] <aslan> so I tried installing nvidia-glx-new
[08:56] <aslan> and all I get is a white screen
[08:56] <aslan> if I change to vesa in xorg.conf it's fine
[08:56] <aslan> or if I move /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and don't create one, it loads using nv driver
[08:57] <aslan> but won't use binary nvidia driver
[09:24] <DanaG> Here's a hint: try self-installed drivers, but first edit /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[09:24] <DanaG> and remove the packaged drivers.
[09:24] <DanaG> Anyway, I'm going to bed now.
[09:44] <Assid> heya
[09:44] <Assid> i updated to hardy.. however. i dont really see any noticable difference
[09:56] <Assid> err.. my flash stopped wrking :(
[11:36] <XiXaQ> does anyone know if Firefox 3 will make it into hardy?
[11:37] <bazhang> yes
[11:38] <XiXaQ> yes, someone knows, or yes, it will? :)
[11:39] <bazhang> already in
[11:39] <bazhang> so both :}
[11:40] <XiXaQ> it is! Grand! :)
[11:41] <bazhang> and very nice it is too :}
[11:41] <XiXaQ> is it as good as it seems? I haven't tried hardy in a while.
[11:41] <XiXaQ> that's great. :)
[11:42] <bazhang> well the alpha 3 is a bit rough, but as there will likely be six alphas its not bad
[11:42] <XiXaQ> hardy will be a good LTS. I only wish Nautilus would make Computer, CD/DVD Creator and harddisks hidable with gconf, but that's not very important.
[11:43] <Tomcat_> :-D
[11:43] <bazhang> you should read some of the blog posts on the internet on new features--it is going to rock!
[11:43] <XiXaQ> it's only abit annoying when you use gnome on a terminal server, when noone will ever use those things, but no biggie.
[11:43] <XiXaQ> bazhang, I have :)
[11:43] <bazhang> XiXaQ: nice!
[11:43] <Tomcat_> bazhang: Any URLs?
[11:43] <Tomcat_> bazhang: Except the Ubuntu wiki / launchpad?
[11:44] <bazhang> just a minute Tomcat_
[11:44] <XiXaQ> I hope it's abit more stable than the last one. I've had some problems with crashes, so I've had to use Opera from time to time, but since that doesn't have a good flash blocker, I've had to switch back and forth. It's annoying.
[11:45] <bazhang> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/30/in-depth-roadmap-analysis-for-ubuntu-hardy-heron-804/
[11:45] <Tomcat_> XiXaQ: Ack, 7.10 has been one of the most unstable releases for me.
[11:46] <XiXaQ> I think I'll stick with hardy for a good while when it's released. But will it be possible to do direct upgrades from LTS to LTS from now on?
[11:46] <XiXaQ> I don't think it'll be possible to directly upgrade from dapper to hardy?
[11:46] <bazhang> there is rumor of such a plan
[11:46] <XiXaQ> yes, I thought I read something about that.
[11:48] <void^> i wonder why the menus in my gnome-terminal have lost their labels. :)
[11:49] <Hobbsee> XiXaQ: you can upgrade from dapper to hardy
[11:49] <Hobbsee> or at least, by release time, you'll be able to
[11:50] <XiXaQ> really? That's good news.
[11:50] <XiXaQ> well. I don't have any dapperboxes, so it won't have any consequences for me, but it's good to know.
[13:22] <Gnine> anyway, i got this encrypted file in ~/some/folder and i can only decrypt IF i place it on the ~/desktop first. sometimes seahorse asks to rename the file first. some other times, not. on deprypt within ~/some/folder , error : could not list file.  annoying .
[13:29] <Gnine> anyway, i got this encrypted file in ~/some/folder and i can only decrypt IF i place it on the ~/desktop first. sometimes seahorse asks to rename the file first. some other times, not. on deprypt within ~/some/folder , error : could not list file.  annoying .
[13:30] <selckin> check premissions?
[14:06] <Gnine> selckin: looking into it...
[14:56] <cizarro> question, I'm testing hardy install using netboot. which mirror should I select in order to get working kernel modules for the installer?
[14:56] <cizarro> I'm using alpha3/server/x86.
[14:56] <bardyr> cizarro, anyone you want
[14:56] <bardyr> cizarro, the closer the better
[14:56] <cizarro> bardyr, but hardy hasn't been mirrored yet?
[14:57] <cizarro> or there's something broken, anyhow, the installer claims it couldn't find any matching kernel modules
[14:57] <bardyr> hmm
[14:57] <bardyr> cizarro, it should be mirrored, try main
[14:57] <cizarro> main?
[14:57] <cizarro> should I be using expert mode?
[14:57] <bardyr> archive.ubuntu.com
[14:57] <bardyr> i think
[14:57] <cizarro> ah. I tried that one.
[14:57] <cizarro> also gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[14:58] <cizarro> (the install fails from CD, hence I'm doing netboot)
[14:58] <volk> hmm why is ipw3945 module missing from latest kernel tree? (2.6.24-3-386)
[14:59] <bardyr> cizarro, maybe you need "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy main restricted"
[14:59] <bardyr> volk, thats not the latest
[14:59] <cizarro> bardyr, hmm. while running the installer?
[15:00] <cizarro> I thought the installer would use just that when arch.. would be selected as the mirror?
[15:00] <bardyr> cizarro, as mirror
[15:00] <bazhang> volk: I noticed that as well in alpha 3
[15:00] <bardyr> cizarro, im not sure
[15:00] <cizarro> bardyr, it's a menu, not input field.
[15:00] <bardyr> oh
[15:00]  * cizarro nods.
[15:00] <bardyr> been a long time since i did a netboot :)
[15:00]  * cizarro nods
[15:01] <cizarro> the cd-rom drive is slightly buggy. it used to work with old serverworks 6 pata driver, but the new "sata"-drivers really make a mess of things
[15:01] <cizarro> kernel timeouts on I/O and no further cd-rom access is possible at all.
[15:02] <cizarro> it was like this already in gutsy. didn't test feisty on this one.
[15:02] <bardyr> i had alot of problems with 2.6.24-3 but all seems fixed with -4
[15:02] <cizarro> yup. the installer uses -3 methinks
[15:03] <bardyr> yea
[15:03] <volk> alright! then I'll install -4 and see if I get it working.. I also have some trouble with cryptsetup on -3
[15:03] <avatar_> anyone here who can reproduce this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/184817
[15:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184817 in ubuntu "unable to lock screen with ctrl - alt - L if numlock is on" [Undecided,New]
[15:03] <bardyr> cizarro, even the daily builds use -3 :D
[15:03] <cizarro> hmm. so I'm in a bind then. anyone built the kernel and installer initrd for -4?
[15:03] <Gnine> ditto bardyr . only minor bugs spotted
[15:04] <volk> what does it mean when upgrader says that some packages have been kept back? Why?
[15:05] <bardyr> volk, it needs some dependencies, but a dist-upgrade usually fixes most of them
[15:05] <Gnine> even though, rhythmbox does not load. there is no crash report auto-generated either. quodlibet runs fine.
[15:06] <Gnine> and, i also see update manager holding (unchecked) openoffice updates.. [?]
[15:09] <bardyr> Gnine, apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:10] <bardyr> i dont have any updates :)
[15:10] <cizarro> hmm. what if I install feisty first, and the switch apt to hardy and do an "upgrade"?
[15:10] <cizarro> or is that known broken?
[15:10] <bardyr> cizarro, you can do that
[15:11] <bardyr> i just think you would end up with a bloated system
[15:11] <bardyr> cizarro, try the live builds
[15:11] <bardyr> but i still think it uses the -3 kernel
[15:11] <bardyr> it did last night :/
[15:11] <cizarro> yeah
[15:11] <blkorpheus> no
[15:11] <blkorpheus> its on -4
[15:11] <cizarro> I'm not really worried about the "bloat", I'll just do a minimal server install anyway
[15:12] <blkorpheus> yeah "bloat" is overrated
[15:12] <cizarro> now I need to find feisty's netboot somewhere..
[15:12] <bardyr> blkorpheus, the 19th build has 10days old packages
[15:12] <bardyr> and is using -3
[15:13] <blkorpheus> I guess it depends which server you get the updates from
[15:13] <blkorpheus> not all servers update at once
[15:13] <bardyr> blkorpheus, the daily builds from cdrelease.ubuntu.com
[15:13] <bardyr> cdimages.ubuntu.com*
[15:13] <blkorpheus> oh
[15:14] <blkorpheus> I was referring to the actual packages via apt-get update
[15:14] <bardyr> they have -4 :)
[15:15] <blkorpheus> :)
[15:15] <blkorpheus> and -4 is broken for me anyway, -4-server
[15:16] <bardyr> -generic works great here
[15:17] <blkorpheus> good
[15:22] <cizarro> bardyr, I'm doing gutsy netboot install atm. will do an upgrade to hardy after this finishes. thanks for the hints, even if the problem didn't get solved :-)
[15:27] <volk> cryptroot is broken in latest kernel. It seems that for some reason /sbin/udevsettle is missing from the initrd image
[15:28] <volk> how can I configure what goes into the initrd image?
[15:28] <Tomcat_> volk: /etc/initramfs-tools
[15:34] <volk> Tomcat_, how do I configure what files go into /sbin inside ramdisk?
[16:42] <bardyr> is there any way i can control my fan speed or/and disable them?
[16:42] <bardyr> its a FSC laptop
[16:44] <bardyr> and is there a way to change the nvidia performance mode?
[17:25] <Oli``> I've had PulseAudio running for a few days but I just restarted and the server isn't running =\ Any ideas?
[18:17] <bardyr> w00t, new kernel updates :D
[18:17] <volk> Oli``, maybe you updated your kernel? Try an older kernel
[18:17] <volk> bardyr, yeah.. and they totally suck :P
[18:18] <volk> several things stopped working for me after the upgrades
[18:18] <bardyr> volk, , the -4 kernel fixed alot of things for me and im guessing the -5 will too
[18:19] <volk> well I still can't make make my ipw3945 wireless card working
[18:19] <bardyr> and the nvidia drivers are available too and thats great :D
[18:19] <volk> I get some error about the driver failing to load microcode :S
[18:19] <bardyr> volk, do you have the firmware?
[18:19] <volk> yeah nvidia drivers aren't a problem, you can always compile them yourself
[18:19] <volk> no idea :P
[18:19] <volk> I shouldn't need one
[18:20] <volk> it should work out of the box
[18:20] <bardyr> yea if the firmware is installed
[18:20] <volk> well, shouldn't it be installed from the very begining when the card leaves the factory? :P
[18:20] <bardyr> nope
[18:21] <bardyr>  ls /lib/firmware/2.6.24-4-generic/ipw3945.ucode
[18:21] <volk> the interesting thing is that I do get the messeage on boot that it finds the card but cant load firmware, but the ipw3945 driver is missing :S
[18:21] <volk> ah.. I guess it's compiled in doh ^^
[18:21] <bardyr> volk, what is the exact error message?
[18:28] <bardyr> j #Ubuntu-dk
[18:37] <hit> hi, any news on this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/184410
[18:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184410 in hal "hal fails to initialize in hardy alpha 3 after upgrade" [Undecided,New]
[19:31] <aboe> did anybody try enemy territory on hardy?
[19:32] <Oli``> volk> Oli``, maybe you updated your kernel? Try an older kernel < 24.4-generic - nothing new =\
[19:35] <aboe> I got a question running full opengl games in hardy?, does anybody else experience strange mouse behavior?
[19:53] <xnix> does anyone in here know how to setup surround sound in pulseaudio? running hardy heron
[20:46] <kaarel> can anyone tell me how to add custom refresh rates in hardy heron?
[20:47] <bardyr> kaarel, xorg.conf
[20:47] <kaarel> i tried adding a custom modeline there, but my pc became unbootable
[20:47] <kaarel> i had to revert back to the old xorg.conf
[20:47] <kaarel> this procedure worked fine in previous releases though...
[20:48] <selckin> unbootable != xorg wouldn't start
[20:48] <selckin> ?
[20:49] <kaarel> i got nothing after the loading screen
[20:51] <kaarel> i know i added the right modeline etc
[20:58] <kaarel> noone has suggestions?
[20:59] <selckin> read xorg log
[23:22] <bardyr> anybody having problem with pulseaudo? does not seem to start
[23:22] <crimsun> hmm?
[23:22] <crimsun> more verbose, please
[23:22] <bardyr> im debugging ;)
[23:23] <bardyr> basically pulseaudio timeouts
[23:23] <crimsun> "timeouts"?  When?  How?
[23:24] <bardyr> when i try to connect to it with paman
[23:24] <crimsun> is this a fresh hardy install?
[23:24] <bardyr> yep
[23:24] <crimsun> does alsa work correctly?
[23:24] <bardyr> something is blocking it atm
[23:25] <bardyr> and i cant remember to cmd to see whats bloacking it :/
[23:25] <crimsun> nothing should be blocking PA if you're using a default hardy install
[23:25] <bardyr> blocking*
[23:25] <crimsun> sudo lsof /dev/dsp* /dev/audio* /dev/mixer* /dev/snd/*
[23:25] <bardyr> blocking alsa
[23:25] <crimsun> nothing should be blocking alsa, either.
[23:26] <bardyr> the sound Preferences say some device is using alsa when i try to test sound
[23:27] <bardyr> but it does it will all options
[23:27] <crimsun> ok, let's first verify that alsa detects your preferred audio device correctly.  Can you do that?
[23:28] <bardyr> yea
[23:28] <crimsun> so, what does that above lsof command give you?
[23:28] <bardyr> nothing
[23:28] <crimsun> even with sudo/
[23:28] <crimsun> even with sudo?
[23:29] <bardyr> hmmm, no something happened :)
[23:29] <bardyr> !pastebin
[23:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[23:29] <bardyr> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/52942/
[23:30] <Gnine> yay
[23:30] <crimsun> bardyr: that looks fine.  Confirm that you do not have an /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asoundrc*
[23:31] <bardyr> crimsun, confirmed
[23:31] <Gnine> :(
[23:31] <crimsun> bardyr: and that your user is in the audio group.
[23:31] <bardyr> crimsun, paman is still timing out when it tries to connect
[23:32] <bardyr> crimsun, it is but i dont know if gnome has reloaded group rights, probably not
[23:32] <crimsun> bardyr: groups|grep audio>&/dev/null;echo $?
[23:32] <crimsun> (that command verbatim)
[23:33] <bardyr> 0
[23:33] <crimsun> good.
[23:34] <crimsun> now, in a Terminal:  paplay /usr/share/sounds/*up.wav
[23:35] <bardyr> nothing happens, but the cmd just hangs their
[23:35] <bardyr> Connection time out
[23:35] <bardyr> Connection failure: Timeout
[23:35] <crimsun> very odd, the PA daemon must be sig'd somewhere.
[23:36] <crimsun> pkill pulseaudio
[23:37] <crimsun> afterward, log out and back in
[23:38] <crimsun> then see if the symptom is reproducible
[23:45] <bardyr> crimsun, restarted X just made the system hang at login, probably waiting on a timeout, a reboot fixed the problem, i guess the pa deamon has a spatz
[23:46] <crimsun> bardyr: hmm, no, it must have been alsa
[23:46] <crimsun> bardyr: if you killed the PA daemon, it would have been fine if it had just been PA's fault
[23:46] <bardyr> yea
[23:50] <blkorpheus> gnome crashes upon stary
[23:50] <blkorpheus> start