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| effie_jayx | jpatrick: is there a different set of rules for #k-es? | 01:41 |
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| sysdef | jpatrick: according to the channel entrymsg 'el canal oficial de kubuntu': nope | 01:49 |
| sysdef | err | 01:50 |
| sysdef | @ effie_jayx | 01:50 |
| botijo | Facto effie_jayx no encontrado | 01:50 |
| sysdef | effie_jayx: LjL will be a usefull contact for this question, i guess | 01:51 |
| sysdef | .*( or botijo ... ) | 01:51 |
| LjL | effie_jayx, i don't think there are different rules, of course the channel is so small right now that there is no need to be particularly strict i guess | 01:54 |
| LjL | but if people are insulting or stuff, just ping | 01:54 |
| Tm_T | LjL: how small? | 01:55 |
| LjL | Tm_T: 17 | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | er | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | oh | 01:55 |
| Tm_T | -fi channels have together way over 100 | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | and unofficial ones have hundreds more | 01:56 |
| nalioth | Tm_T: -fi channels aren't being used to plan trollery, either | 01:56 |
| effie_jayx | LjL: ok... but habits must not fosilize | 01:56 |
| nalioth | the -es channels are having problems with trolls | 01:56 |
| Tm_T | nalioth: true, or when does, I'm there | 01:57 |
| LjL | effie_jayx, #ubuntu-es is enough for me, i don't think i can monitor #kubuntu-es as well too much... you should ping jpatrick about it. if there's people spamming etc, just say !ops as usual, i do have access there, but i really cannot seriously monitor it | 01:57 |
| effie_jayx | nalioth we are on the -es channels trying to bring them back in shape | 01:58 |
| nalioth | effie_jayx: i know :) | 01:59 |
| nalioth | effie_jayx: i've been chasing your trolls around for a while, now | 01:59 |
| effie_jayx | LjL: I told jpatrick yesterday about it.. he didnt mind... I am merely reminding the guys that they must remember rules. rules begin at home | 02:00 |
| LjL | effie_jayx: i've certainly nothing against you reminding them | 02:00 |
| effie_jayx | LjL: see.. They want a more permisive channel now. | 02:02 |
| LjL | #ubuntu-es-offtopic | 02:03 |
| effie_jayx | permisive channel will harbor the people you filter in #ubuntu-es | 02:03 |
| effie_jayx | LjL: now the guy wants to be my shrink | 02:05 |
| LjL | effie_jayx, you really need to talk to jpatrick - mrstreetlinux is an op too, and if he says the rules are different, then they're different for what i'm concerned | 02:07 |
| effie_jayx | well let them deal with it | 02:09 |
| effie_jayx | I have too much at times with just #ubuntu-ve | 02:09 |
| effie_jayx | venezuela is really a troll nation | 02:11 |
| no0tic | @enter | 02:32 |
| Tm_T | LjL: ok, now I'm laughing | 02:44 |
| LjL | did you un-rot13 my message? :) | 02:50 |
| Tm_T | nah, wouldn't bother | 02:51 |
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| jpatrick | effie_jayx: same rules for #k-es | 13:29 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: /whois jpatrick me next time ;) | 13:42 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, I really don't think they are as enforced though | 13:42 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, whay? | 13:42 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: it shows if i'm away :) | 13:42 |
| effie_jayx | s/whay/why | 13:42 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: just don't go to hard on the guys | 13:42 |
| effie_jayx | ahhh don't worry | 13:42 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, I haven't been hard on them. but they do get intense on the off topic | 13:43 |
| jpatrick | yep | 13:43 |
| jpatrick | I had to +m the channel once | 13:43 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, they even start using some big words like 'orto' and onthe stuff | 13:43 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, it's a small channel | 13:44 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: yeah.. | 13:44 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, I don't worry about the guys there... they know eachother. but trolls are around and their habitual behaviour may harbor trolls and you wouldn't want that. That's all | 13:45 |
| effie_jayx | they best be sure when to do offtopic or when to use foul language | 13:45 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: don't worry, I know them (and the trolls) | 13:45 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: do you know what happened to danroj in the end? | 13:46 |
| no0tic | juliux, ping | 13:49 |
| no0tic | sorry juliux | 13:49 |
| no0tic | jpatrick, ping | 13:49 |
| jpatrick | no0tic: pong | 13:49 |
| juliux | ok | 13:50 |
| effie_jayx | jpatrick, I know he had a bot and he tried using it in every channel . | 14:06 |
| no0tic | effie_jayx, continue :) | 14:12 |
| effie_jayx | no0tic, the prosecution rests | 14:13 |
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| no0tic | effie_jayx, :) | 14:16 |
| elkbuntu | danroj is out of our hair for a while? | 14:48 |
| LjL | banlist and seenserv would hint so | 14:50 |
| fetova | greetings - hola :) | 15:49 |
| LjL | bonjour | 15:50 |
| fetova | jajaja :D | 15:50 |
| fetova | how was going all? :) | 15:51 |
| effie_jayx | what happened to him | 15:57 |
| jpatrick | effie_jayx: I threw him out | 15:57 |
| fetova | ? | 15:58 |
| erUSUL | jpatrick: es un poco excesivo banear a la primera infracción. Hay que avisar primero y luego si se repite banear imho | 16:17 |
| jpatrick | erUSUL: no creo que es la primera.. | 16:18 |
| erUSUL | jpatrick: estaba claro que no conocia lo del pastebin | 16:18 |
| * LjL thinks floodbot's mute function might be useful in there | 16:19 | |
| fetova | +1 (LjL idea) | 16:24 |
| jpatrick | I missed it I think | 16:24 |
| fetova | ;) | 16:26 |
| jpatrick | hmm | 18:22 |
| jpatrick | Connecting to no0tic.homelinux.org|151.23.189.55|:80... failed: Connection refused. | 18:22 |
| jpatrick | ah, now it works | 18:23 |
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| no0tic | jpatrick, vary bad connection today | 18:29 |
| jpatrick | :) | 18:30 |
| erUSUL | jpatrick: where is botijo?? | 18:30 |
| jpatrick | erUSUL: dear | 18:31 |
| jpatrick | dead* | 18:31 |
| erUSUL | :S | 18:31 |
| erUSUL | jpatrick: any reason? | 18:31 |
| jpatrick | erUSUL: cannot connect to it with ssh | 18:32 |
| LjL | now is there any reasonably valid reason on earth to have #kubuntu-es-offtopic? | 19:03 |
| LjL | i think #ubuntu-es-offtopic will be hard enough to get populated | 19:03 |
| jpatrick | LjL: I told them not to | 19:04 |
| jpatrick | man, one simple command and they don't get it | 19:05 |
| no0tic | jpatrick, they didn't registered it yet (I think who opened it doesn't even know what chanserv is) | 19:05 |
| jpatrick | *sigh* | 19:05 |
| no0tic | jpatrick, you need to be channel op to register it (if you're thinking about it) | 19:06 |
| jpatrick | LjL: ok, we wait till they leave, I go back in and register and forward all to #u-es-ot | 19:06 |
| LjL | jpatrick: i'm a bit concerned about mrstreetlinux though, am i wrong about it? | 19:07 |
| jpatrick | LjL: what about him? | 19:07 |
| nalioth | jpatrick: you don't have to wait on anything | 19:08 |
| jpatrick | nalioth: oh... :) | 19:09 |
| nalioth | jpatrick: if there is an #*buntu* channel naming problem, it can be sorted | 19:10 |
| nalioth | or channel ownership problems | 19:10 |
| LjL | nalioth: hold the hammer for a second | 19:10 |
| nalioth | LjL: i'm just letting jpatrick know. | 19:10 |
| jpatrick | LjL: they seem to have hidden now that we're there | 19:11 |
| LjL | jpatrick: well nothing, but yesterday too effie_jayx was trying to enforce ontopic-ness (it was that, wasn't it?) in #k-es, but mrstreetlinux disagreed saying the channel shouldn't have strict rules. now, maybe it shouldn't, it's small enough after all, but it's again a matter of knowing what we're aiming at | 19:12 |
| jpatrick | LjL: yeah, he is a bit... why-did-you-ban-him kind of guy | 19:13 |
| LjL | right, so now i'd like to make sure he also understands #k-es-ot is stupid | 19:13 |
| LjL | unrelated, but can you guy clear up my mind on something | 19:15 |
| LjL | [20:15:01] <Sapote> tonico: lea el topic | 19:16 |
| * jpatrick tries to parse the last sentence | 19:16 | |
| LjL | "lea"? not "lee"? is one supposed to use the polite form with people on the channel? | 19:16 |
| LjL | s/guy/guys/ | 19:16 |
| LjL | i mean, is it impolite or something if i use 'tu' with people? | 19:17 |
| LjL | in italian, we never really use the polite form on the internet | 19:18 |
| jpatrick | no, it's a command, you use third person singular.. | 19:18 |
| LjL | *third*? | 19:18 |
| jpatrick | "Llevame la roba!" | 19:19 |
| LjL | but that's an imperative isn't it... well yes ok, it looks the same as third person | 19:19 |
| LjL | but then again third person of "leer" is "lee" not "lea", isn't it | 19:19 |
| LjL | yo leo tu lees el lee | 19:19 |
| jpatrick | must be a typo :) | 19:20 |
| LjL | but i saw no0tic too saying stuff like that, in the third person plural as well | 19:20 |
| LjL | "saben eso?" yo dico "sabeis eso?" | 19:20 |
| no0tic | yes, el imperativo es lee tu, leé vos (I think only in spain), lea él, etc | 19:21 |
| LjL | no0tic: with the subjunctive when it's negative, right? so "lee", but "no leas" | 19:21 |
| jpatrick | hmm, these guys don't seem to be responding anymore... | 19:21 |
| LjL | not "no leer" like in italian | 19:21 |
| no0tic | LjL, in latinoamerican there isn't second person plural | 19:22 |
| LjL | ah | 19:22 |
| no0tic | LjL, right no leas | 19:22 |
| LjL | but there is the singular? | 19:22 |
| no0tic | LjL, yes | 19:22 |
| LjL | !es | 19:22 |
| ubotu | Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. | 19:22 |
| LjL | también aqui pero | 19:22 |
| LjL | entre... no entra? | 19:22 |
| LjL | no obtendras? | 19:22 |
| no0tic | busca*s* | 19:22 |
| LjL | yes, buscas too | 19:23 |
| LjL | si buscas... entra... allí obtendras | 19:23 |
| LjL | no? | 19:23 |
| LjL | but someone already told me it's correct that way, some time ago | 19:23 |
| jpatrick | creo que si | 19:23 |
| no0tic | LjL, even if someone says castillano is the same all over the world, it is not | 19:24 |
| jpatrick | oh noes, it's danroj... | 19:24 |
| danroj | hi | 19:24 |
| danroj | una pregunta como puedo hacer para que ChanServ me mande un mensaje despues de que aparesca el topic? | 19:24 |
| danroj | como en ubuntu-es este mensaje -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-es] Por favor respete el CoC → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/esCodeOfConduct | 19:25 |
| LjL | /msg chanserv help set entrymsg | 19:25 |
| jpatrick | LjL: well, ElMecha isn't responding to /notice's or /msg's | 19:32 |
| jpatrick | LjL: couldn't we just get nal!oth to op there? | 19:33 |
| jpatrick | wait.. | 19:35 |
| nalioth | jpatrick: what needs to happen to #kubuntu-es-offtopic ? | 19:40 |
| jpatrick | nalioth: one sec, having a chat with the guy | 19:40 |
| jpatrick | nalioth: ok, looks like he isn't going to hand it over | 19:42 |
| jpatrick | or he doesn't want me to have ops.. | 19:43 |
| nalioth | so what needs to happen to #kubuntu-es-offtopic? | 19:43 |
| jpatrick | nalioth: could you op me there to register it and forward it to #u-es-ot? | 19:44 |
| nalioth | no sense in that | 19:44 |
| jpatrick | there's no sense in having the channel | 19:45 |
| nalioth | and now it is 'not' | 19:45 |
| nalioth | nobody can talk in it | 19:45 |
| jpatrick | brilliant :) | 19:45 |
| nalioth | nobody can join it | 19:45 |
| nalioth | and it doesn't exist in the channels db | 19:45 |
| jpatrick | and it cannot be registered? | 19:46 |
| nalioth | only by freenode staff intervention, jpatrick | 19:46 |
| jpatrick | nalioth: ok, great | 19:46 |
| erUSUL | LjL: < LjL> [20:15:01] <Sapote> tonico: lea el topic ... yes sometimes we use the polite form and Argentinian use it more becouse the y use "vos" no "tu" as second person. Sapote is argentinian | 20:52 |
| erUSUL | LjL: and regarding the ubotu factoid... i do not see any problem in being polite ;) (i was the one that requested its current form) | 20:53 |
| LjL | erUSUL: yeah, it's just it's weird to me, because in italian using the polite form would sound really *too* polite... like we were being ironic to them, not sure i make myself clear | 20:54 |
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| LjL | erUSUL: like if i said in english, "You, gentle Sir, are kindly requested to join #ubuntu-es for your Spanish-speaking support inquiries" | 20:54 |
| LjL | s/your/Your/ | 20:54 |
| LjL | no0tic: "Se cerca aiuto in italiano, per favore entri nel canale #ubuntu-it, dove troverà più facilmente aiuto" - più che essere gentile, la gente si sentirebbe presa per il culo, no? | 20:55 |
| erUSUL | LjL: in spain it may sound the same but we have to count with the other spanish speaking countries were using the familiar form can be viewed as *extemely* impolite | 20:56 |
| LjL | i see | 20:56 |
| LjL | erUSUL: but so in the end, if i see "lee (not lea) el topic" to someone, i may sound extremely impolite to them, depending where they come from? | 20:57 |
| erUSUL | LjL: well we all have to be a little bit flexible. i hardly ever use the polite form and afaik never offended anyone but i can understand if someone (as Sapote) use it. And i find it natural in a semi-official msg such as the ubotu factoid | 21:03 |
| LjL | ok | 21:03 |
| LjL | @bot | 21:08 |
| jpatrick | LjL: it's gone, for now | 21:08 |
| LjL | yeah was just checking if it came back by miracle | 21:08 |
| jpatrick | I've lost ssh connection to it | 21:08 |
| fetova | [15:12] <canros> ¿Que opinan de la adquisicion de Mysql por parte de SunMicrosystems, piensan que esto repercutira en nuevos cambios y que Mysql deje de estar disponible de forma abierta? | 21:12 |
| fetova | corrijanme | 21:12 |
| fetova | es offtopic? | 21:13 |
| LjL | sí es | 21:13 |
| fetova | va | 21:13 |
| fetova | solo soporte... | 21:13 |
| fetova | y ya? | 21:13 |
| LjL | no es una pregunta de soporte, solo es una duda general... y del tipo que frecuentemente provoca flame | 21:14 |
| LjL | solo soporte | 21:14 |
| fetova | cierto | 21:14 |
| LjL | hay bien -es-offtopic para el resto | 21:14 |
| fetova | va | 21:14 |
| fetova | seeee | 21:14 |
| fetova | no hay ni la mitad de gente ahi | 21:14 |
| LjL | claro... hasta que todos no entran porque saben/veen que no hay ninguno, siempre será así. | 21:14 |
| LjL | ve en #ubuntu-offtopic si no hay ningun | 21:15 |
| fetova | estoy dentro | 21:15 |
| fetova | y estan adentro... | 21:15 |
| LjL | solo digo, razonar que "es inútil mandar a gente a -es-offtopic porque no hay nadie" es la manera de siempre continuar a no haber nadie ahí. el dia que dos o tres personas no se van inmediatamente cuando veen que solo hay menos de 10 personas, y empiezan hablar un poco... es el dia que el canal tiene una posibilidad de empezar a funcionar | 21:18 |
| LjL | !es | 21:49 |
| ubotu | Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. | 21:49 |
| LjL | !no es is <reply> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. | 21:49 |
| ubotu | I'll remember that LjL | 21:49 |
| erUSUL | LjL: is kubuntu-es an active channel? | 21:53 |
| LjL | erUSUL: yes | 21:53 |
| * erUSUL feels that that will only divide an conquer but anyway... | 21:54 | |
| LjL | "divide and conquer" is usually meant as a good thing :) | 21:54 |
| LjL | anyway, it's not new | 21:54 |
| erUSUL | LjL: not when we are the ones divided and conquered XD | 21:55 |
| LjL | well you aren't really being conquered though, at worst your dividing with your own hands ,9 | 21:55 |
| LjL | ;) even | 21:55 |
| erUSUL | LjL: yes that's true ;) | 21:56 |
| fetova | xD | 22:09 |
| LjL | _r1_: noelia eventually spammed #ubuntu as well.. | 22:29 |
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