=== xq is now known as xq_afk [01:41] jpatrick: is there a different set of rules for #k-es? [01:49] jpatrick: according to the channel entrymsg 'el canal oficial de kubuntu': nope [01:50] err [01:50] @ effie_jayx [01:50] Facto effie_jayx no encontrado [01:51] effie_jayx: LjL will be a usefull contact for this question, i guess [01:51] .*( or botijo ... ) [01:54] effie_jayx, i don't think there are different rules, of course the channel is so small right now that there is no need to be particularly strict i guess [01:54] but if people are insulting or stuff, just ping [01:55] LjL: how small? [01:55] Tm_T: 17 [01:55] er [01:55] oh [01:56] -fi channels have together way over 100 [01:56] and unofficial ones have hundreds more [01:56] Tm_T: -fi channels aren't being used to plan trollery, either [01:56] LjL: ok... but habits must not fosilize [01:56] the -es channels are having problems with trolls [01:57] nalioth: true, or when does, I'm there [01:57] effie_jayx, #ubuntu-es is enough for me, i don't think i can monitor #kubuntu-es as well too much... you should ping jpatrick about it. if there's people spamming etc, just say !ops as usual, i do have access there, but i really cannot seriously monitor it [01:58] nalioth we are on the -es channels trying to bring them back in shape [01:59] effie_jayx: i know :) [01:59] effie_jayx: i've been chasing your trolls around for a while, now [02:00] LjL: I told jpatrick yesterday about it.. he didnt mind... I am merely reminding the guys that they must remember rules. rules begin at home [02:00] effie_jayx: i've certainly nothing against you reminding them [02:02] LjL: see.. They want a more permisive channel now. [02:03] #ubuntu-es-offtopic [02:03] permisive channel will harbor the people you filter in #ubuntu-es [02:05] LjL: now the guy wants to be my shrink [02:07] effie_jayx, you really need to talk to jpatrick - mrstreetlinux is an op too, and if he says the rules are different, then they're different for what i'm concerned [02:09] well let them deal with it [02:09] I have too much at times with just #ubuntu-ve [02:11] venezuela is really a troll nation [02:32] @enter [02:44] LjL: ok, now I'm laughing [02:50] did you un-rot13 my message? :) [02:51] nah, wouldn't bother === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic === no0tic__ is now known as no0tic [13:29] effie_jayx: same rules for #k-es [13:42] effie_jayx: /whois jpatrick me next time ;) [13:42] jpatrick, I really don't think they are as enforced though [13:42] jpatrick, whay? [13:42] effie_jayx: it shows if i'm away :) [13:42] s/whay/why [13:42] effie_jayx: just don't go to hard on the guys [13:42] ahhh don't worry [13:43] jpatrick, I haven't been hard on them. but they do get intense on the off topic [13:43] yep [13:43] I had to +m the channel once [13:43] jpatrick, they even start using some big words like 'orto' and onthe stuff [13:44] jpatrick, it's a small channel [13:44] effie_jayx: yeah.. [13:45] jpatrick, I don't worry about the guys there... they know eachother. but trolls are around and their habitual behaviour may harbor trolls and you wouldn't want that. That's all [13:45] they best be sure when to do offtopic or when to use foul language [13:45] effie_jayx: don't worry, I know them (and the trolls) [13:46] effie_jayx: do you know what happened to danroj in the end? [13:49] juliux, ping [13:49] sorry juliux [13:49] jpatrick, ping [13:49] no0tic: pong [13:50] ok [14:06] jpatrick, I know he had a bot and he tried using it in every channel . [14:12] effie_jayx, continue :) [14:13] no0tic, the prosecution rests === EpBFGggG is now known as LjL [14:16] effie_jayx, :) [14:48] danroj is out of our hair for a while? [14:50] banlist and seenserv would hint so [15:49] greetings - hola :) [15:50] bonjour [15:50] jajaja :D [15:51] how was going all? :) [15:57] what happened to him [15:57] effie_jayx: I threw him out [15:58] ? [16:17] jpatrick: es un poco excesivo banear a la primera infracción. Hay que avisar primero y luego si se repite banear imho [16:18] erUSUL: no creo que es la primera.. [16:18] jpatrick: estaba claro que no conocia lo del pastebin [16:19] * LjL thinks floodbot's mute function might be useful in there [16:24] +1 (LjL idea) [16:24] I missed it I think [16:26] ;) [18:22] hmm [18:22] Connecting to no0tic.homelinux.org|151.23.189.55|:80... failed: Connection refused. [18:23] ah, now it works === no0tic_ is now known as no0tic [18:29] jpatrick, vary bad connection today [18:30] :) [18:30] jpatrick: where is botijo?? [18:31] erUSUL: dear [18:31] dead* [18:31] :S [18:31] jpatrick: any reason? [18:32] erUSUL: cannot connect to it with ssh [19:03] now is there any reasonably valid reason on earth to have #kubuntu-es-offtopic? [19:03] i think #ubuntu-es-offtopic will be hard enough to get populated [19:04] LjL: I told them not to [19:05] man, one simple command and they don't get it [19:05] jpatrick, they didn't registered it yet (I think who opened it doesn't even know what chanserv is) [19:05] *sigh* [19:06] jpatrick, you need to be channel op to register it (if you're thinking about it) [19:06] LjL: ok, we wait till they leave, I go back in and register and forward all to #u-es-ot [19:07] jpatrick: i'm a bit concerned about mrstreetlinux though, am i wrong about it? [19:07] LjL: what about him? [19:08] jpatrick: you don't have to wait on anything [19:09] nalioth: oh... :) [19:10] jpatrick: if there is an #*buntu* channel naming problem, it can be sorted [19:10] or channel ownership problems [19:10] nalioth: hold the hammer for a second [19:10] LjL: i'm just letting jpatrick know. [19:11] LjL: they seem to have hidden now that we're there [19:12] jpatrick: well nothing, but yesterday too effie_jayx was trying to enforce ontopic-ness (it was that, wasn't it?) in #k-es, but mrstreetlinux disagreed saying the channel shouldn't have strict rules. now, maybe it shouldn't, it's small enough after all, but it's again a matter of knowing what we're aiming at [19:13] LjL: yeah, he is a bit... why-did-you-ban-him kind of guy [19:13] right, so now i'd like to make sure he also understands #k-es-ot is stupid [19:15] unrelated, but can you guy clear up my mind on something [19:16] [20:15:01] tonico: lea el topic [19:16] * jpatrick tries to parse the last sentence [19:16] "lea"? not "lee"? is one supposed to use the polite form with people on the channel? [19:16] s/guy/guys/ [19:17] i mean, is it impolite or something if i use 'tu' with people? [19:18] in italian, we never really use the polite form on the internet [19:18] no, it's a command, you use third person singular.. [19:18] *third*? [19:19] "Llevame la roba!" [19:19] but that's an imperative isn't it... well yes ok, it looks the same as third person [19:19] but then again third person of "leer" is "lee" not "lea", isn't it [19:19] yo leo tu lees el lee [19:20] must be a typo :) [19:20] but i saw no0tic too saying stuff like that, in the third person plural as well [19:20] "saben eso?" yo dico "sabeis eso?" [19:21] yes, el imperativo es lee tu, leé vos (I think only in spain), lea él, etc [19:21] no0tic: with the subjunctive when it's negative, right? so "lee", but "no leas" [19:21] hmm, these guys don't seem to be responding anymore... [19:21] not "no leer" like in italian [19:22] LjL, in latinoamerican there isn't second person plural [19:22] ah [19:22] LjL, right no leas [19:22] but there is the singular? [19:22] LjL, yes [19:22] !es [19:22] Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [19:22] también aqui pero [19:22] entre... no entra? [19:22] no obtendras? [19:22] busca*s* [19:23] yes, buscas too [19:23] si buscas... entra... allí obtendras [19:23] no? [19:23] but someone already told me it's correct that way, some time ago [19:23] creo que si [19:24] LjL, even if someone says castillano is the same all over the world, it is not [19:24] oh noes, it's danroj... [19:24] hi [19:24] una pregunta como puedo hacer para que ChanServ me mande un mensaje despues de que aparesca el topic? [19:25] como en ubuntu-es este mensaje -ChanServ- [#ubuntu-es] Por favor respete el CoC → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/esCodeOfConduct [19:25] /msg chanserv help set entrymsg [19:32] LjL: well, ElMecha isn't responding to /notice's or /msg's [19:33] LjL: couldn't we just get nal!oth to op there? [19:35] wait.. [19:40] jpatrick: what needs to happen to #kubuntu-es-offtopic ? [19:40] nalioth: one sec, having a chat with the guy [19:42] nalioth: ok, looks like he isn't going to hand it over [19:43] or he doesn't want me to have ops.. [19:43] so what needs to happen to #kubuntu-es-offtopic? [19:44] nalioth: could you op me there to register it and forward it to #u-es-ot? [19:44] no sense in that [19:45] there's no sense in having the channel [19:45] and now it is 'not' [19:45] nobody can talk in it [19:45] brilliant :) [19:45] nobody can join it [19:45] and it doesn't exist in the channels db [19:46] and it cannot be registered? [19:46] only by freenode staff intervention, jpatrick [19:46] nalioth: ok, great [20:52] LjL: < LjL> [20:15:01] tonico: lea el topic ... yes sometimes we use the polite form and Argentinian use it more becouse the y use "vos" no "tu" as second person. Sapote is argentinian [20:53] LjL: and regarding the ubotu factoid... i do not see any problem in being polite ;) (i was the one that requested its current form) [20:54] erUSUL: yeah, it's just it's weird to me, because in italian using the polite form would sound really *too* polite... like we were being ironic to them, not sure i make myself clear === xq_afk is now known as xq [20:54] erUSUL: like if i said in english, "You, gentle Sir, are kindly requested to join #ubuntu-es for your Spanish-speaking support inquiries" [20:54] s/your/Your/ [20:55] no0tic: "Se cerca aiuto in italiano, per favore entri nel canale #ubuntu-it, dove troverà più facilmente aiuto" - più che essere gentile, la gente si sentirebbe presa per il culo, no? [20:56] LjL: in spain it may sound the same but we have to count with the other spanish speaking countries were using the familiar form can be viewed as *extemely* impolite [20:56] i see [20:57] erUSUL: but so in the end, if i see "lee (not lea) el topic" to someone, i may sound extremely impolite to them, depending where they come from? [21:03] LjL: well we all have to be a little bit flexible. i hardly ever use the polite form and afaik never offended anyone but i can understand if someone (as Sapote) use it. And i find it natural in a semi-official msg such as the ubotu factoid [21:03] ok [21:08] @bot [21:08] LjL: it's gone, for now [21:08] yeah was just checking if it came back by miracle [21:08] I've lost ssh connection to it [21:12] [15:12] ¿Que opinan de la adquisicion de Mysql por parte de SunMicrosystems, piensan que esto repercutira en nuevos cambios y que Mysql deje de estar disponible de forma abierta? [21:12] corrijanme [21:13] es offtopic? [21:13] sí es [21:13] va [21:13] solo soporte... [21:13] y ya? [21:14] no es una pregunta de soporte, solo es una duda general... y del tipo que frecuentemente provoca flame [21:14] solo soporte [21:14] cierto [21:14] hay bien -es-offtopic para el resto [21:14] va [21:14] seeee [21:14] no hay ni la mitad de gente ahi [21:14] claro... hasta que todos no entran porque saben/veen que no hay ninguno, siempre será así. [21:15] ve en #ubuntu-offtopic si no hay ningun [21:15] estoy dentro [21:15] y estan adentro... [21:18] solo digo, razonar que "es inútil mandar a gente a -es-offtopic porque no hay nadie" es la manera de siempre continuar a no haber nadie ahí. el dia que dos o tres personas no se van inmediatamente cuando veen que solo hay menos de 10 personas, y empiezan hablar un poco... es el dia que el canal tiene una posibilidad de empezar a funcionar [21:49] !es [21:49] Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [21:49] !no es is Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda. [21:49] I'll remember that LjL [21:53] LjL: is kubuntu-es an active channel? [21:53] erUSUL: yes [21:54] * erUSUL feels that that will only divide an conquer but anyway... [21:54] "divide and conquer" is usually meant as a good thing :) [21:54] anyway, it's not new [21:55] LjL: not when we are the ones divided and conquered XD [21:55] well you aren't really being conquered though, at worst your dividing with your own hands ,9 [21:55] ;) even [21:56] LjL: yes that's true ;) [22:09] xD [22:29] _r1_: noelia eventually spammed #ubuntu as well..