[04:14] <jamesstilwell3rd> I seem to be having problems with the 7.10 iso I downloaded tonight (I do -- generally -- know how to burn an .iso)
[04:15] <jamesstilwell3rd> I'm attempting a server install on an IBM xSeries 360 with one of those laptop-type cdrom drives.
[04:16] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've burned isos on two different types of media on two different machines (4x burns total) and all have failed integrity tests.
[04:19] <jamesstilwell3rd> I've been using k12ltsp, after a negative experience with 7.04, and I'm trying to give edubuntu another shot...
[04:21] <jamesstilwell3rd> make that 5x failures...
[17:19] <iMacGyver> i'm using ltsp with edubuntu and i'm trying to disable screen blanking, the screensavers are off, how do you add settings to the generated xorg.conf?
[18:09] <Contessa> good morning all
[18:10] <johnny> mornin
[18:11] <Contessa> how are you .. where are you ?
[18:11] <johnny> ?
[18:11] <johnny> sleepy
[18:11] <johnny> just woke up
[18:12] <Contessa> hmmm .... Hawaii ?
[18:12] <johnny> no
[18:12] <johnny> EST
[18:13] <Contessa> sleep in late ?
[18:13] <Contessa> work late ?
[18:21] <johnny> yeah.. something like that
[18:21] <johnny> i work at home
[18:21] <johnny> but also work at a local coffeehouse bookstore
[18:21] <Contessa> I'm at home .... its 7.30am
[18:21] <johnny> and i closed the store last night at 11
[18:23] <Contessa> ah
[18:23] <Contessa> store ?
[18:24] <Contessa> ah ...
[18:24] <Contessa> so ..do you create Edubuntu, or use it ?
[18:28] <LaserJock> Contessa: 7:30am? are you in Hawaii?
[18:29] <Contessa> no ...NBew Zealand
[18:29] <LaserJock> hmm
[18:30] <LaserJock> I thought NZ was at least an hr earlier
[18:31] <LaserJock> I'm Pacific so it's 10:30am on Wednesday
[18:31] <Contessa> summer time ... we ARE one hour earlier
[18:36] <Contessa> its 7.35 am on Thursday morning here
[18:36] <LaserJock> it's always funny to me that NZ people are often closest to me in time ... just a day ahead
[18:37] <Contessa> its great .... I am in all of your tomorrows !
[18:52] <LaserJock> Contessa: now your freaking me out ;-)
[18:53] <LaserJock> *you're
[18:53] <Contessa> oh dear .... you dont want me in your tomorrows ?
[18:53]  * Contessa is in everyone's tomorrow
[18:57] <LaserJock> but ... but ... if you're in my tomorrow how am I talking to you today?!? :-)
[18:57]  * LaserJock 's head explodes
[18:58] <Contessa> omnipotence
[18:58] <laga> omnipresence rather
[18:58] <Contessa> yeah ..that too
[18:58] <laga> ;)
[18:58]  * Contessa feels her head swelling 
[18:58]  * Contessa looks for ice 
[18:59]  * RichEd plays with anagrams of omnipotence minus the second "o"
[18:59] <RichEd> and the second "n"
[19:00] <RichEd> LaserJock: you up for the meeting in an hour ?
[19:00] <Contessa> make a suggestion for me will ..you ...I prolly shjould look at going to work
[19:01]  * RichEd gets his pen and sits for dictation
[19:01] <RichEd> go ahead
[19:01] <Contessa> make a decent install of Rosegarden ...
[19:01] <Contessa> and include it in Edubuntu
[19:02] <RichEd> Contessa: is it in any of the ubuntu repositories yet ?
[19:02] <Contessa> I dont know
[19:02] <Contessa> I'm currently using SL5 - but building Rosegarden for SL5 is somewhat a bit of a journey ...and Edubuntu is my next favourite distro
[19:02] <stgraber> rosegarden | 1:1.6.1-1ubuntu1 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[19:03] <Contessa> ah
[19:03] <stgraber> sudo aptitude install rosegarden
[19:03] <pips1> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/sound/rosegarden
[19:03] <stgraber> and you "should" have it installed
[19:03] <stgraber> hey pips1
[19:03] <pips1> hi stgraber
[19:03] <Contessa> okj .... time to add Edubuntu to my biog machine  again
[19:05] <Contessa> ty
[19:12] <LaserJock> hmm
[19:12] <LaserJock> rosegarden is an interesting suggestion
[19:12] <LaserJock> Ubuntu Studio ships it
[19:13] <LaserJock> RichEd: yeah, I'm working from home today, and I wanted to chat with people
[19:13] <stgraber> good, so the packaging should be good and easy to install
[19:13] <stgraber> not sure if we can consider it as educational software though
[19:14]  * stgraber has just read apt and wikipedia description
[19:15] <RichEd> LaserJock: ogra is in London at the distro sprint ... so we'll not have any tech news from him
[19:15] <LaserJock> RichEd: bah
[19:15] <LaserJock> distro sprints are a real pain for the rest of us :/
[19:15] <LaserJock> stgraber: I was thinking of doing jokosher rather than rosegarden
[19:16] <stgraber> yes, jokosher seems easier to use
[19:17] <johnny> does it work nwo?
[19:17] <johnny> now*
[19:58] <RichEd> == edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 3 mins [20:03] <pygi> oh noes :P
[21:02] <LaserJock> ok
[21:02] <LaserJock> RichEd: I'm a tad concerned about docs for Hardy
[21:02] <stgraber> we can continue with website as pips1 is here :)
[21:02] <LaserJock> we've had 0 commits to "official" docs
[21:02] <stgraber> ouch, not good
[21:03] <RichEd> stgraber: his nick was in #ubuntu-meeting as well but his keyboard was not
[21:03] <RichEd> LaserJock: oops
[21:03] <pips1> hi
[21:03] <RichEd> hello mr pips1 sir
[21:03] <RichEd> how is the baby ?
[21:04] <pips1> well, nothing to report really, I closed some bugs related to the website, but that's it
[21:05] <RichEd> okay :0
[21:05] <pips1> LaserJock: what was that you said about documentation?
[21:05] <RichEd> LaserJock: what do we need to do to get the docs moving then
[21:05] <LaserJock> pips1: we've had 0 commits for the Hardy branch
[21:05] <RichEd> has it been a case of people who are no longer active ?
[21:05] <pips1> oh
[21:05] <LaserJock> I just don't have the time to spearhead things
[21:05] <LaserJock> RichEd: well, sbalneav *was* the docs
[21:06] <pips1> well, afaik, last time round it was mainly sbalnaev who contributed to the docs?
[21:06] <LaserJock> I've just been doing packaging related things, not writing content
[21:06] <RichEd> LaserJock: and now ?
[21:06] <stgraber> LaserJock: what's the Edubuntu-specific bit now ?
[21:06] <LaserJock> I haven't seen sbalneav for ages
[21:06] <stgraber> LTSP being Ubuntu now
[21:06] <RichEd> mmm ...
[21:06] <LaserJock> stgraber: good point, the problem is that we've not transitioned docs
[21:06] <LaserJock> so the only LTSP documentation would be from edubuntu-docs
[21:06] <RichEd> didn't nixternal do a lot of doc work for edubuntu before ?
[21:07] <LaserJock> some yeah, mostly he helped me with packaging and getting things into svn
[21:07] <pips1> RichEd: not sure, but I think nixternal helped mainly with re-structuring some existing content..
[21:08] <RichEd> any suggestions from anyone ?
[21:08]  * pygi knows some things about edubuntu docs, as he wrote the initial stuff
[21:09] <pygi> anything I could do to help?
[21:09] <pygi> what's the problem anyway?
[21:09] <pips1> so what are the new features of edubuntu in hardy that need documentation anyway
[21:09] <pips1> ?
[21:09] <RichEd> is there much specific edubuntu content, or it is a matter of reshaping ubuntu content ?
[21:09] <LaserJock> well, for one, we should decide whether to carry the LTSP stuff
[21:09] <pygi> RichEd, there's enough edubuntu specific content I'd say
[21:09] <pygi> LaserJock, don't see why not?
[21:09] <LaserJock> also the documentation is centered around Classroom Server + Addon CD
[21:10] <pips1> I'd say LTSP should be merged into the ubuntu docs, no?
[21:10] <pygi> I just dont dig that stuff that it should go in server
[21:10] <LaserJock> whereas we'll be doing the addon thing
[21:11] <pips1> so this dev cycle, it was mainly the restructuring (ltsp move to ubuntu), right?
[21:11] <LaserJock> so I think we might consider ripping out the LTSP stuff and moving it to ubuntu docs
[21:11] <LaserJock> then making sure we're documenting all that we are changing
[21:11] <stgraber> Would make sense
[21:11]  * pygi thinks all that actually makes no sense, but oh well
[21:11] <LaserJock> and I had hoped we could do more "useful" documentation rather than reference
[21:12] <LaserJock> pygi: well, it's not up to you and I ;-)
[21:12] <stgraber> then the doc would mainly be about : How to install and the differences between Ubuntu and Edubuntu
[21:12] <LaserJock> yeah
[21:12] <pips1> stgraber: what about italc? is there any existing documentation that could be used as a base, in case italc makes it in?
[21:12] <LaserJock> and I'd love to see more Education resources, etc.
[21:12] <pygi> LaserJock, oh, no, it's about the users and teacher and people indeed
[21:13] <stgraber> pips1: hmm, the tool also existing for Windows I'm sure there is some doc but I haven't really took time to investigate that (having it to work is already hard enough believe me :))
[21:13]  * RichEd needs to head off ... but will keep this channel open and read the log tomorow
[21:14] <RichEd> thanks and good night all
[21:14] <stgraber> RichEd: good night
[21:14] <LaserJock> RichEd: I think I'll send out a series of emails to -devel
[21:14] <LaserJock> so we can get some discussion
[21:14] <RichEd> sounds good
[21:14] <pips1> stgraber: I hear you... I had a very brief look just at the description of italc quite some time ago and I thought: wow, that is a real swiss army knife app! all that functionality...
[21:19] <pips1> oops, disregard my last comment, a mixup with CipUX
[21:20] <pips1> iTalk documentation is a wiki: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[21:20] <pips1> *italc
[21:21] <pips1> GNU Free Documentation License 1.2
[21:22] <pips1> stgraber, LaserJock: so, *is* there any new functionality in gutsy?
[21:23] <LaserJock> in gutsy?
[21:23] <pips1> hardy
[21:23] <pips1> sorry
[21:23] <LaserJock> well, the whole installation is different
[21:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what's  been done with LTSP but it's always progressing
[21:24] <LaserJock> but I don't think there's such a jump like LTSP 4.2->5
[21:24] <pips1> right
[21:25] <LaserJock> Hardy should mostly be making Gutsy more usable, stable, bug-free
[21:25] <stgraber> IIRC the main LTSP change will be the ltsp GUI tool to configure and generate chroot then squashfs it
[21:25] <pips1> I think it was mainly polishing... a big step still missing is localapps, afaik
[21:26] <LaserJock> my hope is that we can get documentation and the website in really good shape
[21:26] <LaserJock> I think ogra's done a really good job of getting the technical parts in good shape
[21:26] <stgraber> pips1: yes, you won't see localapps in Hardy :( (even if it technicaly can work, it would require too much work to have it ready on time)
[21:26] <pips1> LaserJock: problem is, there is nobody around that actually knows the latest developments
[21:27] <pips1> it's all in ogra's head
[21:27] <stgraber> I'm in #ltsp but there hasn't been much change lately
[21:27] <stgraber> the main change being the big move to bzr and LP
[21:28] <LaserJock> pips1: right, so we need to "extract" it :-)
[21:28] <pips1> stgraber: I think you might be the one community member (besides Laser) most knowlegable about what happened this dev cycle, no?
[21:30] <stgraber> probably as I'm also a member of the QA team and then working on the various testcases
[21:30] <pips1> *knowledgable
[21:30] <pips1> right
[21:30] <stgraber> +I like experimental things :)
[21:31] <LaserJock> *so* let's use -devel, get things discussed/set and then *do it* :-)
[21:31] <pips1> so, LaserJock what happened in MOTU space for edubuntu (i.e. the addon cd) ?
[21:31] <pips1> any new edu apps added to main?
[21:32] <pips1> LaserJock: what do you mean by -devel ? IRC or ML?
[21:32] <stgraber> ML I think
[21:33] <pips1> Im not even subscribed to ubuntu-devel ML
[21:33] <LaserJock> ML
[21:34]  * LaserJock smacks pips1 
[21:34] <LaserJock> ;-)
[21:34] <LaserJock> pips1: well, the addon cd will become the real Edubuntu CD
[21:34] <LaserJock> I haven't added any new apps yet
[21:34] <LaserJock> I'd like to get a few if I have time
[21:35] <LaserJock> but I don't even know how much space we have, etc.
[21:35] <pips1> ic
[21:35]  * pips1 reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation and is amazed
[21:36] <pips1> last edited by DanielHolbach2
[21:36] <pips1> interesting
[21:37] <stgraber> My big concern at the moment is that Alpha4 is next week and we don't have the "Edubuntu as an add-on to ubuntu" part done
[21:37] <pips1> right!
[21:38] <pips1> did you talk to ogra about this?
[21:38] <stgraber> It's LTS so we really need to have something that works perfectly, but for that we need something to test :)
[21:39] <stgraber> Last I heard from him he had LTSP integrated in Ubuntu which you can install by passing an extra parameter at the installer boot
[21:39] <LaserJock> I think it's supposed to be done for the sprint
[21:39] <stgraber> I don't really know the status of the add-on itself though
[21:41] <pips1> stgraber: i see your point... Alpha 4 is the last milestone before the feature freeze, so it would be good to get minimal testing done if the edubuntu cd works... :-/
[21:42] <stgraber> yes
[21:42] <pips1> since you are up-to-date and in touch with ogra on IRC, I'm sure you'll be able to catch the first daily with the working edubuntu cd...
[21:43] <pips1> but I read on the mailing list that someone was testing milestone releases... that person won't "catch" some random daily...
[21:43] <stgraber> yes, I'm also waiting for it so I can update our current Edubuntu testcase (which is still about the add-on and server CD)
[22:00] <Goosemoose> hi guys , anyone know if the active directory package that's going into hardy is done?