[04:14] I seem to be having problems with the 7.10 iso I downloaded tonight (I do -- generally -- know how to burn an .iso) [04:15] I'm attempting a server install on an IBM xSeries 360 with one of those laptop-type cdrom drives. [04:16] I've burned isos on two different types of media on two different machines (4x burns total) and all have failed integrity tests. [04:19] I've been using k12ltsp, after a negative experience with 7.04, and I'm trying to give edubuntu another shot... [04:21] make that 5x failures... === RichEd-2 is now known as RichEd === Kamping_Kaiser is now known as `6og [17:19] i'm using ltsp with edubuntu and i'm trying to disable screen blanking, the screensavers are off, how do you add settings to the generated xorg.conf? [18:09] good morning all [18:10] mornin [18:11] how are you .. where are you ? [18:11] ? [18:11] sleepy [18:11] just woke up [18:12] hmmm .... Hawaii ? [18:12] no [18:12] EST [18:13] sleep in late ? [18:13] work late ? [18:21] yeah.. something like that [18:21] i work at home [18:21] but also work at a local coffeehouse bookstore [18:21] I'm at home .... its 7.30am [18:21] and i closed the store last night at 11 [18:23] ah [18:23] store ? [18:24] ah ... [18:24] so ..do you create Edubuntu, or use it ? [18:28] Contessa: 7:30am? are you in Hawaii? [18:29] no ...NBew Zealand [18:29] hmm [18:30] I thought NZ was at least an hr earlier [18:31] I'm Pacific so it's 10:30am on Wednesday [18:31] summer time ... we ARE one hour earlier [18:36] its 7.35 am on Thursday morning here [18:36] it's always funny to me that NZ people are often closest to me in time ... just a day ahead [18:37] its great .... I am in all of your tomorrows ! [18:52] Contessa: now your freaking me out ;-) [18:53] *you're [18:53] oh dear .... you dont want me in your tomorrows ? [18:53] * Contessa is in everyone's tomorrow [18:57] but ... but ... if you're in my tomorrow how am I talking to you today?!? :-) [18:57] * LaserJock 's head explodes [18:58] omnipotence [18:58] omnipresence rather [18:58] yeah ..that too [18:58] ;) [18:58] * Contessa feels her head swelling [18:58] * Contessa looks for ice [18:59] * RichEd plays with anagrams of omnipotence minus the second "o" [18:59] and the second "n" [19:00] LaserJock: you up for the meeting in an hour ? [19:00] make a suggestion for me will ..you ...I prolly shjould look at going to work [19:01] * RichEd gets his pen and sits for dictation [19:01] go ahead [19:01] make a decent install of Rosegarden ... [19:01] and include it in Edubuntu [19:02] Contessa: is it in any of the ubuntu repositories yet ? [19:02] I dont know [19:02] I'm currently using SL5 - but building Rosegarden for SL5 is somewhat a bit of a journey ...and Edubuntu is my next favourite distro [19:02] rosegarden | 1:1.6.1-1ubuntu1 | hardy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc [19:03] ah [19:03] sudo aptitude install rosegarden [19:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/sound/rosegarden [19:03] and you "should" have it installed [19:03] hey pips1 [19:03] hi stgraber [19:03] okj .... time to add Edubuntu to my biog machine again [19:05] ty [19:12] hmm [19:12] rosegarden is an interesting suggestion [19:12] Ubuntu Studio ships it [19:13] RichEd: yeah, I'm working from home today, and I wanted to chat with people [19:13] good, so the packaging should be good and easy to install [19:13] not sure if we can consider it as educational software though [19:14] * stgraber has just read apt and wikipedia description [19:15] LaserJock: ogra is in London at the distro sprint ... so we'll not have any tech news from him [19:15] RichEd: bah [19:15] distro sprints are a real pain for the rest of us :/ [19:15] stgraber: I was thinking of doing jokosher rather than rosegarden [19:16] yes, jokosher seems easier to use [19:17] does it work nwo? [19:17] now* [19:58] == edubuntu meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 3 mins === [20:03] oh noes :P [21:02] ok [21:02] RichEd: I'm a tad concerned about docs for Hardy [21:02] we can continue with website as pips1 is here :) [21:02] we've had 0 commits to "official" docs [21:02] ouch, not good [21:03] stgraber: his nick was in #ubuntu-meeting as well but his keyboard was not [21:03] LaserJock: oops [21:03] hi [21:03] hello mr pips1 sir [21:03] how is the baby ? [21:04] well, nothing to report really, I closed some bugs related to the website, but that's it [21:05] okay :0 [21:05] LaserJock: what was that you said about documentation? [21:05] LaserJock: what do we need to do to get the docs moving then [21:05] pips1: we've had 0 commits for the Hardy branch [21:05] has it been a case of people who are no longer active ? [21:05] oh [21:05] I just don't have the time to spearhead things [21:05] RichEd: well, sbalneav *was* the docs [21:06] well, afaik, last time round it was mainly sbalnaev who contributed to the docs? [21:06] I've just been doing packaging related things, not writing content [21:06] LaserJock: and now ? [21:06] LaserJock: what's the Edubuntu-specific bit now ? [21:06] I haven't seen sbalneav for ages [21:06] LTSP being Ubuntu now [21:06] mmm ... [21:06] stgraber: good point, the problem is that we've not transitioned docs [21:06] so the only LTSP documentation would be from edubuntu-docs [21:06] didn't nixternal do a lot of doc work for edubuntu before ? [21:07] some yeah, mostly he helped me with packaging and getting things into svn [21:07] RichEd: not sure, but I think nixternal helped mainly with re-structuring some existing content.. [21:08] any suggestions from anyone ? [21:08] * pygi knows some things about edubuntu docs, as he wrote the initial stuff [21:09] anything I could do to help? [21:09] what's the problem anyway? [21:09] so what are the new features of edubuntu in hardy that need documentation anyway [21:09] ? [21:09] is there much specific edubuntu content, or it is a matter of reshaping ubuntu content ? [21:09] well, for one, we should decide whether to carry the LTSP stuff [21:09] RichEd, there's enough edubuntu specific content I'd say [21:09] LaserJock, don't see why not? [21:09] also the documentation is centered around Classroom Server + Addon CD [21:10] I'd say LTSP should be merged into the ubuntu docs, no? [21:10] I just dont dig that stuff that it should go in server [21:10] whereas we'll be doing the addon thing [21:11] so this dev cycle, it was mainly the restructuring (ltsp move to ubuntu), right? [21:11] so I think we might consider ripping out the LTSP stuff and moving it to ubuntu docs [21:11] then making sure we're documenting all that we are changing [21:11] Would make sense [21:11] * pygi thinks all that actually makes no sense, but oh well [21:11] and I had hoped we could do more "useful" documentation rather than reference [21:12] pygi: well, it's not up to you and I ;-) [21:12] then the doc would mainly be about : How to install and the differences between Ubuntu and Edubuntu [21:12] yeah [21:12] stgraber: what about italc? is there any existing documentation that could be used as a base, in case italc makes it in? [21:12] and I'd love to see more Education resources, etc. [21:12] LaserJock, oh, no, it's about the users and teacher and people indeed [21:13] pips1: hmm, the tool also existing for Windows I'm sure there is some doc but I haven't really took time to investigate that (having it to work is already hard enough believe me :)) [21:13] * RichEd needs to head off ... but will keep this channel open and read the log tomorow [21:14] thanks and good night all [21:14] RichEd: good night [21:14] RichEd: I think I'll send out a series of emails to -devel [21:14] so we can get some discussion [21:14] sounds good [21:14] stgraber: I hear you... I had a very brief look just at the description of italc quite some time ago and I thought: wow, that is a real swiss army knife app! all that functionality... [21:19] oops, disregard my last comment, a mixup with CipUX [21:20] iTalk documentation is a wiki: http://italc.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page [21:20] *italc [21:21] GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 [21:22] stgraber, LaserJock: so, *is* there any new functionality in gutsy? [21:23] in gutsy? [21:23] hardy [21:23] sorry [21:23] well, the whole installation is different [21:24] I'm not sure what's been done with LTSP but it's always progressing [21:24] but I don't think there's such a jump like LTSP 4.2->5 [21:24] right [21:25] Hardy should mostly be making Gutsy more usable, stable, bug-free [21:25] IIRC the main LTSP change will be the ltsp GUI tool to configure and generate chroot then squashfs it [21:25] I think it was mainly polishing... a big step still missing is localapps, afaik [21:26] my hope is that we can get documentation and the website in really good shape [21:26] I think ogra's done a really good job of getting the technical parts in good shape [21:26] pips1: yes, you won't see localapps in Hardy :( (even if it technicaly can work, it would require too much work to have it ready on time) [21:26] LaserJock: problem is, there is nobody around that actually knows the latest developments [21:27] it's all in ogra's head [21:27] I'm in #ltsp but there hasn't been much change lately [21:27] the main change being the big move to bzr and LP [21:28] pips1: right, so we need to "extract" it :-) [21:28] stgraber: I think you might be the one community member (besides Laser) most knowlegable about what happened this dev cycle, no? [21:30] probably as I'm also a member of the QA team and then working on the various testcases [21:30] *knowledgable [21:30] right [21:30] +I like experimental things :) [21:31] *so* let's use -devel, get things discussed/set and then *do it* :-) [21:31] so, LaserJock what happened in MOTU space for edubuntu (i.e. the addon cd) ? [21:31] any new edu apps added to main? [21:32] LaserJock: what do you mean by -devel ? IRC or ML? [21:32] ML I think [21:33] Im not even subscribed to ubuntu-devel ML [21:33] ML [21:34] * LaserJock smacks pips1 [21:34] ;-) [21:34] pips1: well, the addon cd will become the real Edubuntu CD [21:34] I haven't added any new apps yet [21:34] I'd like to get a few if I have time [21:35] but I don't even know how much space we have, etc. [21:35] ic [21:35] * pips1 reads https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Documentation and is amazed [21:36] last edited by DanielHolbach2 [21:36] interesting [21:37] My big concern at the moment is that Alpha4 is next week and we don't have the "Edubuntu as an add-on to ubuntu" part done [21:37] right! [21:38] did you talk to ogra about this? [21:38] It's LTS so we really need to have something that works perfectly, but for that we need something to test :) [21:39] Last I heard from him he had LTSP integrated in Ubuntu which you can install by passing an extra parameter at the installer boot [21:39] I think it's supposed to be done for the sprint [21:39] I don't really know the status of the add-on itself though [21:41] stgraber: i see your point... Alpha 4 is the last milestone before the feature freeze, so it would be good to get minimal testing done if the edubuntu cd works... :-/ [21:42] yes [21:42] since you are up-to-date and in touch with ogra on IRC, I'm sure you'll be able to catch the first daily with the working edubuntu cd... [21:43] but I read on the mailing list that someone was testing milestone releases... that person won't "catch" some random daily... [21:43] yes, I'm also waiting for it so I can update our current Edubuntu testcase (which is still about the add-on and server CD) [22:00] hi guys , anyone know if the active directory package that's going into hardy is done?