/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/01/23/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ryanakcaRiddell: hmm... any idea how kdebindings-kde4 got into the archives without a copyright file?00:02
* ryanakca checks that it /is/ in the archives and he isn't imagining things00:02
Riddellryanakca: couldn't imagine.  Do take the opportunity to add one00:04
* ryanakca does00:05
ryanakcaRiddell: would something along these lines (stolen from kdebindings-3.5.8) work for the copyright file, or do I need to list each and every author? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53090/plain/00:08
Riddellryanakca: hmm, sparse00:10
Riddellthat AUTHORS file is horribly out of date00:11
Riddellryanakca: you don't need to list every author but it would be good to have the licence and principle author of each module00:12
Riddellryanakca: just fill in what information you can easily find, we can hunt for the harder details later00:12
* Riddell sleeps00:13
ryanakcaRiddell: okies, thanks, night :)00:13
nosrednaekimtxwikinger: ping...00:18
txwikingernosrednaekim: pong00:18
nosrednaekimtxwikinger: more reports of keyboard randomly stopping. what did you do exactly to fix yours?00:19
txwikingerkaccess started slowkeys00:19
txwikingerso it worked .. it needed to be pressed for about 2 or 3 secs00:19
txwikingerI remembered that I had that once before00:20
nosrednaekimso you just disabled slow keys in system settings?00:20
txwikingeryes00:20
nosrednaekimtxwikinger: i really have to go.... if you have time, coulkd you help Tonren over in the main channel? he seems to have the same problem as you00:21
nosrednaekimthanks!00:21
txwikingerok.. I will try00:21
freeflyingRiddell: ttf-wqy-zenhei includes wqy-zenhei.ttf, no other source00:40
mornfallHi.00:48
nosrednaekimhi mornfall00:48
mornfallAnyone with syncing powers willing to pull libwibble-dev from unstable? I have just uploaded 0.1.12 (which is required by adept-3).00:49
mornfallI will upload libept as well in a while.00:50
mornfall(They could go in one go I guess.)00:50
mornfallHm, the speed of debian buildd's is pretty darn cute. Hmm.00:54
mornfallThey used to be pretty bogged. Wondering what I have overslept.00:54
mornfallI have also uploaded libept now. It will take a little while till it gets through.01:01
mornfallHobbsee: Do you have the powers neccessary to get packages from unstable into Hardy?01:02
mornfall(Hi, too.)01:02
Hobbseemornfall: i can do, yes01:03
Hobbseewhat do you need?01:03
* Hobbsee moderates kubuntu-users@ again01:03
mornfallWell, I uploaded libwibble 0.1.12 and libept 0.5.13 into unstable, that are build-depends of adept-3.01:03
mornfalllibept wasn't picked up yet, but it should be in a while.01:04
Hobbseethe autosync is off now01:04
mornfallI mean in Debian.01:04
mornfallThe latter sits in incoming.01:04
claydohHobbsee: sorry you need to do it, but thanks for it01:04
mornfallThe former already built on all arches except, well, arm (dunno what's up with arm).01:05
Hobbseeclaydoh: sorry it's taken so long.  i unsubscribed from that list a while ago01:05
* Hobbsee has now nuked more topic01:05
Hobbsees01:05
mornfallI suppose kubuntu doesn't ship arm.01:05
Hobbseelibept probably needs a merge?01:06
* claydoh was considering unsubbing (again)01:07
Hobbseeor did you incorporate the dash stuff?01:07
Hobbseemornfall: there are changes on both01:07
mornfallWith merge you mean with ubuntu changes?01:07
Hobbseeyes01:07
mornfallNo idea...01:07
mornfallLet me see what are those.01:08
Hobbseewell, i've no idea if they're still needed01:08
Hobbseegcc patch, dash stuff, it appears01:08
mornfallWhat the hell is dash?01:09
mornfallLike the non-bash /bin/sh?01:09
Hobbseeyeah, iirc01:09
Hobbseeit's one of the release goals for lenny too, so you're supposed to know what it is.01:09
mornfallEh.01:10
mornfallI will fix that in the next upload, then.01:10
mornfallAlthough I am worried that the ubuntu fix is plain wrong.01:10
mornfallWell, not worried. It is.01:10
* Hobbsee has not looked at the change01:10
mornfallTOP_SRCDIR may contain spaces.01:11
mornfallOr other metacharacter trash.01:11
mornfallSo  it has to be quoted, in a way or other.01:12
mornfallNot to say, that in *my* dash, ls "foo"* works.01:12
mornfall(That is 0.5.4-6)01:13
mornfallhttp://rafb.net/p/7uFD9j31.html01:16
mornfallLet's see #177033.01:17
mornfallOkey, so not our fault and nothing to be merged into debian package.01:18
mornfallHobbsee: libept probably got through. Can you check whether #177033 is finally fixed?01:20
mornfallHobbsee: (just do something like in that transcript I pasted... if it fails, you will need to merge that workaround, I guess...)01:21
=== kitterma is now known as ScottK2
jjesseevening :)02:09
nosrednaekimevening02:09
mornfallWell, thanks and bye, gotta go to bed (3:10 am, igh).02:10
jjessei love american idol02:23
jjesseits the greatest ever02:23
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=== foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve
jjesseargh so much of this kubuntu chpt needs to be re written04:22
ScottK2nixternal: You around?04:43
JucatoO <--- round... that is nixternal :)05:03
gribelusomehow shortcuts on my kde4 panel stopped working after todays updates .. i click the icons and nothing happends05:04
Jucatojjesse: sorry I've been useless the past weeks... so much stuff to do over here... I'll be able to really read the Adept guide next week (unless real life infringes again...)05:04
nixternalScottK2: yo yo05:04
Jucato(keyboard shortcuts on kde4 have always been finicky...)05:05
nixternalthat is true05:05
gribelui don't mean keyboard shortcuts.. i mean umm application shortcuts05:06
gribeluicons..05:06
gribeluya know?05:06
jjesseJucato: no problem05:06
jjesseholy crap i just updated my hardy vm and i love the login screen05:06
Jucatohardy? kde3? kde4?05:06
nixternalkdm3 or kdm405:06
Jucatohehe same question :P05:06
Jucatois kdm4 even themeable?05:07
nixternalya, I want to know, because for some reason, my kdm login (kdm3) is the old default kdm login, all square and stuff05:07
gribelukdm3 got this blue psychedelic theme today.. kdm4 is still ugly and as far as i can tell system settings->login manager still has no effect on how it looks05:10
gribelucould anyone try to see if application shortcuts work from the panel? just right click some random application in the launcher and select "add to panel".. then click the icon that appears on the panel05:12
gribelujust trying to find out if it's my fault somehow05:13
jjessei like the kdm3 theme05:13
hadsgribelu: Works here05:13
gribelu:|05:13
jjessei never remember when in hardy i'm getting the libpython2.5.so not found in paths what do i need to install?05:13
gribeluthanks hads05:13
hadsnp05:14
hadsdoh, now I can't remove it :)05:14
Jucatojjesse: why does that always seem to happen...05:15
Jucatolibpython2.5-dev?05:15
jjesseJucato: no clue05:15
gribeluhads: it should have a right click menu .. that does work here05:15
hadsDoesn't here, heh.05:16
jjessei already have libpythonize0-dev installed05:16
gribelusomething must be borked05:16
Jucatojjesse: oh.. sorry :(05:17
jjessegrumble i dont' understand why this always happens every devel version05:17
nixternalholy smokes, heath is dead :(05:23
Jucatoyeah... found out 4 hours ago :(05:24
Jucatopoor brokeback mountain dude...05:24
nixternalhe was a damn good actor05:24
nixternalI liked him in the Patriot, A Knights Tale, and Dogtown05:24
nixternalbah, I gotta finish up these stupid flyers for tomorrow05:24
Jucatoyou too? :)05:25
Jucatowhere are you making them?05:25
nixternaldoes anyone know if kinkos, or whatever they are called now, will let me print from a usb stick?05:25
jjessethe whole heath thingis the only thing that is on the cable news these days05:25
* Jucato had to wrestle with MS Publisher and Word 2007!!!05:25
ScottKnixternal: They will if you ask nice.05:25
nixternalI am using Scribus and Inkscape05:25
jjessegrumble running into problems reconfiguring x in hardy and changing the size05:25
nixternalisn't Kinkos like the UPS store or something now?05:25
Jucatonixternal: lucky you05:25
nixternalwhy lucky me?05:26
jjesseused to be fedex/kinkos05:26
nixternalahh, ya it is Fedex05:26
nixternalit is right next door to my sushi shop05:26
Jucatonixternal: [13:25] * Jucato had to wrestle with MS Publisher and Word 2007!!! <--- that's why05:26
nixternalJucato: is MS Publisher still a huge piece of garbage?05:26
jjessealways will be05:26
Jucatonixternal: it doesn't use Ribbons.. that's the good part :D05:27
nixternalthey need to remove that from Office already...MS at least woke up and realized that with Front Page05:27
nixternalthe ribbons honestly do not bother me05:27
nixternaloh, that's right, I shut them off and went with classic view, that's why :p05:27
Jucatopfft! cheater!05:27
Jucato:P05:27
jjessei love the ribbon in office 200705:27
nixternalcome on, those things take up a lot of realestate05:27
Jucatoreall men use ribbons!05:28
jjesseseriously i really enjoy how it is organized05:28
Jucatocome on! after using KDE 3 you'd be used to that :P05:28
Jucato(taking up a lot of real estate)05:28
nixternalI shrink everything in KDE 3 so I have more work space05:28
Jucatojjesse: probably... unfortunately for me.. most of the stuff I needed to click on in the ribbons are on the far sides...05:28
nixternalI have my 1280x800 down to the point to where I can almost get 3 panes of code side-by-side in eclipse now :)05:28
nixternalI thought those ribbons were a usability flopmare05:29
Jucatoeeek! widescreen :)05:29
Jucatooh yeah.. widescreen is good for side-by-side code I guess :)05:29
jjessei don't care if they are a usability flopmare, i hate going back to the old version of office w/o the ribbon05:29
nixternalOK, why is that when I download something in KDE 4, it stalls out every time05:29
Jucatojjesse: it's fancy and pretty I'll give you that... but I need to get used to it.. a lot...05:30
Jucatojjesse: but it doesn't help that the UI on one OS is different from another OS... so I'll be switching a lot...05:30
* Jucato can't wait for KOffice 2.0 to be available on other platforms...05:30
* jjesse can't wait to figure out this stupid systemsettings problem05:32
jjessetrying to figure out why i have nothing set for screen size in my xorg.conf file05:32
Jucatodisplayconfig is probably the only part of guidance that never ever worked for me... even just simply switching resolutions...05:34
nixternalI use xrandr now...it is about the only thing that works as it should for me05:35
nixternalit is great for when I am doing presentations05:35
Jucatokrandrtray?05:35
nixternalif that is what it is called, then yes05:35
Jucatoyeah that works for me too...05:35
Hobbseejussi01: pong06:32
jussi01heya, still having an issue, with this listadmin. any chance you could post your config again?06:33
jussi01Hobbsee: also, good to see your posts finally hit the lists...:P06:35
Hobbseejussi01: hah.  yes.06:35
Hobbseejussi01: what problem are you having?06:36
Hobbseeseems someone did some nice moderating06:37
Hobbseeas for why my own mails are getting moderated, i'm not sure06:37
_StefanS_morning08:49
_StefanS_Riddell: hey.. that segfault on klauncher (kde4) is also happening on gutsy/amd6408:51
_StefanS_Riddell: so I guess its kde4 after all.08:52
apache|mobile_please get a backtrace08:53
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: I'll try08:53
_StefanS_ouch 75megs of symbols... thats alot08:54
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: still want me to do a failsafe login, and run startkde from there?08:55
apache|mobile_I think this will not work for a bt08:56
apache|mobile_but you can try08:56
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: got another idea for getting out those debug messages?08:56
apache|mobile__StefanS_: most probably you will have to write a wrapper script around klauncher, which starts it in gdb08:56
_StefanS_uhm ok, any commandline specifics for gdb ?08:56
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: all I could get hold of was a crash file from /var/crash09:12
apache|mobile_does it tell anything useful?09:12
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: not really .. http://enhance-it.dk/klauncher.crash09:13
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: there's a coredump inside in base64, dont know how to view it though09:13
apache|mobile__StefanS_: I think there should be some trace as well09:14
apache|mobile_that crash report has been created by apport09:14
apache|mobile_so it should have created a strace somewhere as well09:14
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: any idea where that would be ? :)09:15
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: the log just says its only written that file to /var/crash09:16
apache|mobile_hm09:17
apache|mobile_apparently it should be part of that file :S09:17
_StefanS_great.09:20
RiddellTonio_: what does current flash in konqueror do?09:31
Tonio_Riddell: doesn't work09:32
RiddellTonio_: but does it crash konqueror?09:33
Tonio_Riddell: same issue, I'm still waiting for a fix09:33
Tonio_Riddell: no, just flash segfaults on the page09:33
Riddellimbrandon: was there any magic solution to the flashplugin-nonfree issue?09:45
Riddellimbrandon: if a newer version of flashplugin-nonfree gets installed, does it automatically download the new flash?09:45
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: , Riddell: apparently the latest update for kde4 on hardy fixed the klauncher issue09:47
_StefanS_working now.09:47
apache|mobile_oha09:47
apache|mobile_ohm09:47
apache|mobile__StefanS_: did you set the default web browser setting?09:48
apache|mobile_to firefox for example09:48
mornfallHi.09:48
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: only in kde309:48
apache|mobile_very strange09:49
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: yea..09:49
_StefanS_anyways it works, and we will probably never know :)09:49
apache|mobile__StefanS_: I only fixed a pointles assert in kauthorisized... very strange09:49
cheguevarahi09:50
apache|mobile_ahoy mornfall09:50
apache|mobile_ahoy cheguevara09:50
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: well I guess a recompile was enough09:50
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: fragile stuff ;)09:50
apache|mobile_nah :P09:50
apache|mobile_the only fragile stuff is kdm09:50
apache|mobile_that thing totally likes to break09:50
cheguevarashould be really back now09:50
cheguevarawanna get back into doing something productive again09:51
apache|mobile_should be wiped from this planet and get a rewrite09:51
cheguevarawhat needs most help atm09:51
apache|mobile_cheguevara: bugfixin' I guess09:51
apache|mobile_cheguevara: can you attend the meeting today?09:51
cheguevarawhich timezone is that09:52
cheguevaragmt?09:52
Riddellimbrandon: yes, it does.  can we just add a debconf question "this will break konqueror, if you have a working flash you may not want to download the new version"?09:52
Riddells/konqueror/konqueror and opera/09:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: did you notice that wallpaper issue I wrote about last night? http://enhance-it.dk/login.jpg09:53
Riddell_StefanS_: what's your resolution?09:54
_StefanS_Riddell: 1920x120009:54
cheguevaraapache|mobile_, yeah 11 gmt, i'll be there09:54
_StefanS_Riddell: smarter saw it on 1024z768 as well09:54
_StefanS_R09:54
_StefanS_Riddell: wierd thing it only happens after you type your password09:54
apache|mobile_cheguevara: ye probably wanna have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour) then09:54
Riddell_StefanS_: hrm, that wallpaper is only 1680 x 105009:55
_StefanS_Riddell: well you probably found the issue then :)09:55
cheguevaraapache|mobile_, kk, looking09:55
Riddell_StefanS_: rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu; ksplash --test09:56
_StefanS_Riddell: yep I can reproduce it09:57
_StefanS_Riddell: same thing.09:57
_StefanS_Riddell: maybe we should just use the background currently in kdm when it starts (?) because it seems to be of the right size09:58
* apache|mobile_ supposes it's just scaled09:58
_StefanS_maybe09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: I noticed it yesterday, not today09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: did kubuntu-default-settings change yesterday ?09:59
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: /etc/kde3/backgroundrc : WallpaperMode=Scaled09:59
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: so you're right09:59
apache|mobile_I am always right :P09:59
apache|mobile_unless I am wrong09:59
_StefanS_precisely.09:59
_StefanS_pretty much like anyone else :D10:00
Riddell_StefanS_: wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/Theme.rc && sudo mv Theme.rc /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc10:00
Riddellrm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu; ksplash --test10:00
Tonio_Riddell: fyi, kmail works again after update10:01
_StefanS_Riddell: that fixed it ;) - i noticed you put a patch to disable scaling sometime in the past for moodin just now10:01
_StefanS_anyone else have two batteries on hardy (on a laptop obviously)10:05
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: I think it would be really cool to alter that logout effect so the desktop fades completely away once you have selected to logout/restart/shutdown10:10
apache|mobile__StefanS_: bugs.kde.org10:11
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: nawp, I'm talking about a kubuntu only patch :D10:11
apache|mobile_no advocate from me10:12
apache|mobile_there is really only very little reason to patch anything kubuntu-only10:13
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: well you should ask Tonio_ about kubuntu-only patches.. because there has been alot really in the past ;)10:14
apache|mobile_yeah10:14
apache|mobile_well10:15
apache|mobile_should change with kde 410:15
apache|mobile_only reason to patch something is to change default settings, create branding or fix kubuntu specific issues10:15
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: well yes.. but you could argue that it would be a default setting also ;)10:16
apache|mobile_nope10:16
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: its a matter of definition.10:16
apache|mobile_you can't10:16
apache|mobile_you change a fundamental appearance10:16
apache|mobile__StefanS_: bugs.kde.org10:16
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: right..10:17
apache|mobile_otherwise I don't support it10:17
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: well thats okay, but then you will just end up with a generic kde4.10:18
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: but thats just my opinion.10:18
apache|mobile_what's it the problem with that?10:18
apache|mobile_why do we use KDE anyway, when we don't agree with their stuff?10:19
cheguevaraheh10:19
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: well thats a very black/white approach dont you think ? :)10:19
apache|mobile_nope10:20
apache|mobile_this is a change that can be valuable for KDE10:20
apache|mobile_if they decide it's no good10:20
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: yes.. if you ever get it done in kde via bugs.kde.org. Good luck.10:20
apache|mobile_why should we decide it is10:20
apache|mobile__StefanS_: so talk to lubos personally10:21
_StefanS_Riddell: it seems like that change on moodin made the progress text misaligned10:21
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: yep maybe I will do that :)10:22
Riddell_StefanS_: in which way?  it's centred for me, could do with being moved up into the lighter background10:22
_StefanS_Riddell: the icons that show the different steps is fine, but the "Loading desktop..." etc is diplayed below the box10:23
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: I hope you're not angry with me ? :)10:27
apache|mobile__StefanS_: nope, I can understand your point10:27
_StefanS_apache|mobile_: great ok :)10:27
Riddell_StefanS_: right, that has always been the case10:31
_StefanS_oh ok, maybe i just havent noticed :)10:32
_StefanS_could we enhance that text, maybe make it bold?10:32
_StefanS_you cant really see it that clearly10:32
Riddell_StefanS_: moving it up would probably be best10:32
_StefanS_indeed10:33
Riddell_StefanS_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/Theme.rc10:34
_StefanS_trying.10:34
_StefanS_Riddell: needs about two more lines down10:35
Riddelllines?10:37
Riddelledit StatusCoords and let me know what works10:37
_StefanS_sure10:37
_StefanS_Riddell: 520 works for me10:38
Riddell_StefanS_: ok, we'll use that10:39
_StefanS_cool10:39
_StefanS_and thanks.10:39
RiddellI'll wait and see if the artist gets back to us with a larger version first10:39
_StefanS_yup10:39
Riddell_StefanS_: doesn't it look bad on your rediculously high resolution display?10:40
_StefanS_Riddell: well not really, I mean the text could probably be black instead of the greyish to enhance the readability10:41
_StefanS_Riddell: the rest is fine really10:41
_StefanS_Riddell: #000000 for the StatusColor and we're good (just tried it, and it improves the readability quite alot, given the transparency in the background(s) etc..)10:43
Riddell_StefanS_: ok, we'll do that10:43
_StefanS_kool.10:44
_StefanS_I actually have two rediculously high resolution displays btw.10:44
_StefanS_;)10:44
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mornfallSo.11:50
mornfallWhen soyuz picks up, adept 3 should be installable from https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive -- mind the instructions, though!11:59
mornfall(Testers welcome.)11:59
jussi01mornfall: cool, Ill give it a go when I get home. where would you like bugs to? lp?12:00
mornfalljussi01: Maybe just private mail.12:02
mornfallOr here.12:02
mornfallShould be easiest for both.12:02
jussi01mornfall: sure12:05
Riddellhow exciting12:06
_StefanS_mornfall: is it qt4 ?12:11
Riddellthat would be the defining feature :)12:13
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mornfallWell, there are others...12:40
jpatrickoh, no, gutsy packages..12:40
mornfall--> work, now. See you later.12:45
* apachelogger__ cripples packages for amarok nightly builds12:49
emonkeyapachelogger__, prolinux schreibt wenigstens das es Pakete für "ubuntu" gibt ...12:50
emonkeymeine amarok212:50
apachelogger__emonkey: was sollten sie sonst schreiben?12:51
apachelogger__golem hat das auch geschrieben12:51
* emonkey fände kubuntu angemessener12:51
emonkeyund verlinkt haben sie die englische anstatt die deutsche news12:52
emonkeyegal12:52
apachelogger__emonkey: naja, prolinux... die meisten editoren sind gnomes oder fluxbox zeugs user12:52
apachelogger__golem hat kubuntu geschrieben12:52
apachelogger__viel besser12:53
emonkeyman sollte meinen das ein Linux Magazin im gegensatz zu einem Tech Magazin differenzierter schreibt ...12:53
apachelogger__emonkey: naja, ich bin sowieso für die differenzierung von ubuntu als distro und ubuntu als projekt12:54
apachelogger__ist, und bleibt, ein marketingtechnischer teufelskreis12:54
emonkeyhmja stimmt schon12:54
apachelogger__http://forum.golem.de/list.php?2261512:55
apachelogger__hehe12:55
apachelogger__flame++12:55
_StefanS_ wtf.. :)12:55
_StefanS_teufelkreis rules12:55
apachelogger__lol12:57
apachelogger__emonkey: http://forum.golem.de/read.php?22615,1197193,1197193#msg-119719312:57
apachelogger__manche verstehen das mit dem _pre_ release nicht ganz ;-)12:57
apachelogger__I luv windows :D12:57
emonkey^ ^12:58
Nightroseapachelogger__: what did you expect? *g*12:58
apachelogger__Nightrose: da sie VORSCHAU geschrieben habe, war ich mir doch sicher, dass jeder versteht, dass das nicht die final ist ;-)12:58
Nightrose;-) lass es dir eine lehre sein und sei _niemals_ sicher12:59
Nightrosedu wirst bei sowas immer enttäuscht werden ;-)12:59
apachelogger__neehee12:59
apachelogger__die hätten screenshots posten sollen12:59
apachelogger__alles golems schuld!12:59
Nightrosehehe12:59
apachelogger__aber kubuntu steht :D12:59
apachelogger__muahahaha12:59
apachelogger__eines tags...13:00
_StefanS_das ist aber klasse egon13:03
apachelogger__lol13:03
apachelogger__Nightrose: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard#head-953162b13c5cfd81aeacd3e7baf18bc895dc33d313:03
apachelogger__how do you like my nu graphics?13:04
Nightrosehehe perfect apachelogger__13:04
apachelogger__make everything even more complicate, don't they? :P13:04
Nightroseindeed13:04
Nightrose;-)13:04
* apachelogger__ needs an app to properly draw process flows13:05
emonkeytake latex13:05
emonkey:P13:05
apachelogger__Oo13:05
Nightroseapachelogger__: what did you use for that?13:05
iRonapachelogger__: need to learn UML ;-)13:05
apachelogger__Nightrose: l'inkscape, bin sûr13:06
Nightrosehehe13:06
apachelogger__iRon: umbrello :P13:06
apachelogger__that thing is... I don't exactly get how to use umbrello for what I want to do ;-)13:06
iRonapachelogger__: draw use case and flow diagrams :)13:06
rivohi, can anyone tell if I patched kdesudo to ignore the --nonewdcop argument, would it break something?13:14
Nightroseapachelogger__: jezzz @ google analytics...13:15
Nightrosedamn13:15
Nightrosethat is crazy13:15
apachelogger__Nightrose: .8 caused more visitors13:18
Nightrosereally? man...13:19
Nightroseanyway I got quite some visitors from the AI to my site ;-)13:20
Riddellrivo: it should break kcontrol13:22
Riddellrivo: why would you?13:22
rivoRiddell: bug 182403, i.e. kcontrol is broken already13:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 182403 in kdesudo "kdesudo --nonewdcop option breaks the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/18240313:23
rivoRiddell: I tested with patched kdesudo 2.0 package and systemsettings worked fine (unlike with unpatched kdesudo) but I'm wondering if it might break something else13:23
_StefanS_rivo: you should ask Tonio_ about that kdesudo switch13:25
_StefanS_rivo: he might know something13:25
Riddellwhat changed in 1.1-0ubuntu2.2?13:26
rivoRiddell: #155032 was fixed, it might be that there's some kind of permissions problem with dcop now13:27
Riddellbest check with Tonio_13:28
rivook13:29
Tonio_rivo: that's a gutsy problem right ?13:30
rivoTonio_: yep13:30
Tonio_fixed with the latest kdesudo13:30
Tonio_everyone is free to provide or suggest a backport from hardy to gutsy....13:31
_StefanS_Tonio_:  ;)13:31
Tonio_even an -updates update will do the trick :)13:31
rivoTonio_: latest is 2.0?13:31
Tonio_rivo: yep, on hardy only at the moment13:31
Tonio_rivo: fixes all bugs reported to launchpad afaik13:31
rivoTonio_: I tried that, built the package for gutsy (using hardy's sources), it still had the same problem13:32
Tonio_hum.....13:32
Tonio_lemme look at your bug13:32
rivomight it be that some other package is buggy then?13:33
Tonio_rivo: I can't seem to reproduce....13:34
Tonio_rivo: I suspect this is somehow linked to the old random bug we have with the installer13:34
Tonio_rivo: kde desktop database isn't created correctly13:34
Tonio_Riddell: wasn't that fixed before gutsy ?13:34
RiddellTonio_: yes13:35
Tonio_rivo: your problm is that within the root user, kcmshell doesn't find the clock.desktop module, while they are found with the current user13:35
Tonio_rivo: try this :13:35
rivoTonio_: for some reason it only seems to be affecting new installations, on my usual system everything works fine, too, but on clean install it doesn't13:35
Tonio_login as root and load the root profile :13:35
Tonio_sudo -i13:35
Tonio_then kcmshell --list13:35
Tonio_even better "kcmshell --list | grep -i clock"13:36
Tonio_you should have no result13:36
Tonio_same command should work as your current user13:36
Tonio_rivo: another way to test is install gksudo and test with this :)13:37
Tonio_rivo: the difference with the 1.1-0ubuntu2.2 upgrade is that then the root profile is used instead of the user's13:38
Tonio_rivo: that's also the way gksudo works, and so should confirm your kde desktop database issue13:38
mornfallHm.13:38
mornfallAnyone can explain this?13:38
rivoTonio_: ok, I'll boot to the clean system with my other computer and try13:38
mornfall   1190 Setting up kdelibs5-dev (4.0.0-0ubuntu4) ...13:38
mornfall   1221 CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config13:39
Tonio_rivo: as I said, that's to what I know a bug with the livecd installer13:39
Tonio_rivo: works on my system cause I always use the alternate cd13:39
Tonio_Riddell: We should take care of desktop file database and kcontrol modules within a livecd session13:39
Tonio_Riddell: I suspect it is still broken somehow13:39
Tonio_Riddell: and afacr that was due to the filesystem used on the livecd13:40
RiddellTonio_: how would the filesystem affect it?13:41
Riddellmornfall: that'll be our non-standard install location /usr/lib/kde413:41
mornfallGrah.13:41
mornfallAnyone with a fix?13:41
mornfallWell, it should be fixed in your version of cmake then?13:42
Tonio_Riddell: don't remember but that was our conclusion since there was a difference between the livecd and alternate on that point after the installation13:42
Riddellmornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde.mk13:42
Tonio_Riddell: that's the famous "empty kcontrol" bug....13:42
Tonio_every kcm modules going in the kmenu in "found items" section13:42
Tonio_rivo: can you please let me know if it works any better with gksudo ? that's important to correctly diagnose the issue :)13:43
rivoTonio_: turned out that my "clean" system isn't that clean anymore and it works there... I'll test with gutsy livecd but it'll take a bit more time13:45
mornfallRiddell: Do you have the cmake.mk as well?13:47
Riddellmornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/cmake.mk  same as debian13:47
Tonio_rivo: don't you have a machine where the problem appears ?13:47
mornfallRiddell: There's a include debian/cdbs/cmake.mk with some bug reference...13:47
mornfallI'll try it that way then.13:47
Riddellmornfall: yes, same as debian-qt-kde I should have said13:50
mornfallAh. Well, I built with standard cmake.mk...13:50
mornfall(In Debian, that is.)13:50
apachelogger__hm13:51
apachelogger__Tonio_: the famous bug13:51
apachelogger__in KDE 4 that is?13:51
mornfallRiddell: Is that just s,/usr,/usr/lib/kde4, in .install, or are the bits more dispersed?13:52
mornfall(I am trying now...)13:52
mornfallHm.13:52
Riddellmornfall: that should work13:52
Riddellunless you have qt plugins13:53
Riddellalso etc to usr/lib/kde4/etc13:53
rivoTonio_: not anymore, the bug magically gets fixed after using kdesudo without --nonewdcop and seems that sometimes it gets fixed permanently... odd, I know13:54
rivoTonio_: on livecd, after updating kdesudo, kcmshell --list | grep clock   as root only prints out a bunch of dcop errors13:55
rivoTonio_: should I also try with gksudo?13:55
mornfallOk, reuploaded. Hopefully it works better this time.13:55
Tonio_rivo: yep, that would be nice13:55
Tonio_rivo: note that another possibility is that the database creates at first run since you are a different user13:56
Tonio_rivo: there might be an issue the very first time13:56
Tonio_rivo: I doubt that can be fixed on the kdesudo side, as sudo -i or even gksudo should have the same problem13:56
Tonio_rivo: the issue is more in kdebase or livecd imho13:57
rivoTonio_: it also happened after installing the system onto hdd and not just on the first run13:57
Tonio_hum.......13:58
Tonio_rivo: well I can't reproduce here ans only have one machine13:58
rivoTonio_: the whole reason I'm asking is that I'm making a remastered cd based on kubuntu gutsy, so if you can suggest some kind of workaround it would be nice :-)13:58
Tonio_rivo: it would be nice if you can investigate and test with gksudo and sudo -i on a machine where the issue is reproductible13:58
rivoTonio_: what's the command I should use with gksu?  gksu kcmshell --list ?13:58
Tonio_yep13:59
Tonio_well gksudo kcmshell clock13:59
Tonio_eventually13:59
apachelogger__Nightrose: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~apachelogger/tmp/migration-paths.png does this make it any more understandable?13:59
Tonio_and also please compare the module list with kdesudo 2 and gksudo13:59
Nightrose*checking*13:59
Tonio_rivo: if there is no difference, then the problem is outside of kdesudo13:59
rivoTonio_: hmm, with gksu it works, it runs kbuildsycoca and then prints the list of modules14:00
Tonio_rivo: also, only use kdesudo2 for your tests, issues with systemsettings are well known with 1.414:00
Tonio_rivo: and with kdesudo 2 ?14:00
Nightroseapachelogger__: hmm not sure :/    not really IMHO14:00
apachelogger__ok, so that whole migration stuff is too complex :P14:01
Nightroseit is complex jep14:01
jdaviescheguevara: yo14:01
rivoTonio_: well, now, after using gksu, even kdesudo (1.1) works14:02
Tonio_rivo: seems that I can reproduce that one after deleting my .kde14:02
Nightroseapachelogger__: maybe make it more clear what the states are and what needs to happen there14:02
Tonio_rivo: interesting.....14:02
rivoTonio_: as said, not using kdesudo's --nonewdcop options fixes it, at least for this session14:02
rivoTonio_: so after that even --nonewdcop works14:02
apachelogger__Nightrose: that is pretty clear in the description :P14:02
Nightroseapachelogger__: ah ok14:03
apachelogger__state 1 = never done anything, state 2 = migrated to KDE 3, state 3 = migrated kde3 and 414:03
Nightroseok14:03
Tonio_rivo: gksudo give me an empty list.....14:03
mornfallOk, it's queued again, so we'll see what happens this time.14:03
Tonio_rivo: still can't reproduce in fact....14:07
Tonio_rivo: kcmshell --list gives me an empty list, but I can start any module14:07
Tonio_rivo: I completly deleted my /root/.config and /root/.kde14:07
Tonio_rivo: I can start kdesudo --nonewdcop "kcmshell media"14:07
Tonio_rivo: works like a charm here14:08
Tonio_rivo: kdesudo doesn't print the output so you don't see kbuildsyscoca running but it does14:08
Tonio_rivo: with or without nonewdcop, no change on my side....14:09
Tonio_rivo what if you compare those commands, with no /root/.kde14:10
Tonio_rivo: gksudo "kcmshell media"14:10
Tonio_rivo: kdesudo "kcmshell media"14:10
Tonio_start with kdesudo of course, since gksudo seems to "fix"14:11
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rivoTonio_: I went back to my installed test system where it had started working before14:15
rivoTonio_: I deleted a bunch of files there, lets see if it works now...14:15
Tonio_rivo: oki, thanks :)14:15
rivoTonio_: yay, it's broken again :-)14:17
rivoTonio_: I deleted /root/.kde /home/rivo/.kde /var/tmp/kde* /tmp/*14:18
rivoand then rebooted14:18
Tonio_lemme try14:20
Tonio_so kcmshell media doesn't work right ?14:20
Tonio_let's reboot...14:20
mornfallDum di dum di dum.14:21
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blizzzekhi14:24
Tonio_rivo: can't seem to reproduce here but I have some things to fix :14:24
Tonio_rivo: I'll fix kdesudo for terminal output, so that we can see what happens exactly14:24
Tonio_rivo: also, kdesudo seems to stop any process when this process detaches himself14:25
rivoTonio_: forgot to tell you that I removed /root/.ICEAuthority as well14:25
Tonio_rivo: for example kdesudo amarok doesn't work here14:25
Tonio_rivo: shoulnd't be used anyway14:25
rivoTonio_: kdesudo -- kcmshell --list   didn't work, with or without --nonewdcop14:25
Tonio_the users iceauthority is used in the first place, otherwise it wouldn't work at all14:25
Tonio_rivo: well you don't get the output, that's what I said14:25
rivoTonio_: gksudo -- kcmshell --list   worked and after that  kdesudo started working as well14:26
Tonio_rivo: btw I still can't reproduce, but there are things to improve in kdesudo14:26
rivooh, and, that was still with kdesudo 1.114:26
Tonio_rivo: look at kde-apps when you see 2.1 is beeing released, then ping me again, so that we can give a second debug session ;)14:26
rivoTonio_: I can also try with 2.0 but that's going to take some more time14:26
rivoTonio_: ok :-)14:27
Tonio_rivo: well indeed that would be nice, as those are completly different....14:27
Tonio_rivo: so while I change those things in it, take your time to retest with kdesudo 214:27
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Tonio_and then come back so that we can test again and improve kdesudo :)14:27
rivoTonio_: will do :-)14:28
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Riddellryanakca: Sime is right here14:33
* apachelogger__ notes that life has become boring without kde4 package breaks :(14:37
* Nightrose tells apachelogger__ that there are enough bugs to fix in the packages ;-)14:38
apachelogger__nono14:38
apachelogger__in the software14:38
apachelogger__not the packages :P14:38
Nightroselike kget-kde4 crashing when adding a new download while it is minimized to the tray14:38
Nightrosehehe14:38
apachelogger__there is only one package related bug!14:38
apachelogger__and that are the hell annoying dbus error messages14:39
ScottKapachelogger__: Is guty-backports fixed too?14:39
apachelogger__was it broken?14:39
* apachelogger__ didn't really do anything about backports at any point14:40
apachelogger__<-- hardy boy14:40
ScottKI've seen complaints.14:40
apachelogger__probably some packages which haven't been backported14:40
* apachelogger__ takes a look14:40
ScottKapachelogger__: OK,  Well it'd be good if that were checked/fixed up too (since you're bored).14:40
apachelogger__ScottK: hehe, life is boring, but I'm not bored, there is just no entertainment :P14:41
apachelogger__ScottK: yeah, some backports are missing, what should I do?14:42
apachelogger__report bugs on gutsy-backports?14:42
apachelogger__or Riddell just could backport them14:43
apachelogger__missing: kdeaccessibility-kde4, kdeadmin-kde4, kdeartwork-kde4, keedu-kde414:45
ScottKRiddell can just backport them, but you may as well write a gutsy-backports bug so he has it for easy reference.14:45
apachelogger__technically also some should be removed14:45
ScottKPing me and I'll wave it through.14:45
* apachelogger__ reports a bug14:45
ScottKapachelogger__: I'm not sure if we can do that.  I'll check.14:45
ScottKapachelogger__: Ping me when you've got the bug done.  Please test build them in a gutsy environment.14:46
apachelogger__well14:47
jpatrick(they build in ppa)14:47
apachelogger__well14:47
apachelogger__jpatrick: with changes14:47
apachelogger__at least kdelibs for example did until yesterday14:47
apachelogger__ScottK: since I make all packages work on gutsy as well, for easy backports in the ppa, I can do this at ones with the other transitions14:48
apachelogger__I only touched kdeadmin so far I think14:48
apachelogger__of course that takes longer14:49
ScottKSince we started to backport KDE4 in gutsy-backports, I think it ought to get updated now that things have stabilized a bit.14:50
apachelogger__ScottK: well isn't all that stable14:51
apachelogger__at least one item on today's meeting agenda can cause a 100% update14:51
apachelogger__which is one that makes totally sense for gutsy as well14:51
Hobbseeerk.  meeting14:52
ScottKapachelogger__: What time?14:52
apachelogger__ScottK: 23 utc14:52
apachelogger__see topic :P14:52
ScottKRight.  Thanks.14:53
rivoTonio_: btw, you haven't updated version number in configure.in.in, so kdesudo --version still outputs 1.1 ;-)14:59
Tonio_ah......... fixing ;)15:01
rivoTonio_: other than broken output, kdesudo 2.0 behaves just like 1.1 - it's broken until I run gksudo15:03
Tonio_rivo: oki, I'll try to fix toonight15:07
mornfallRiddell:    1716 debian/cdbs/kde.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such            file or directory15:28
mornfallRiddell: Anything I should know about that?15:29
mornfallRiddell: (Build-Depends: quilt?)15:30
Riddellmornfall: yes you need add the build-depend15:30
Riddelldebian-kde is moving to quilt (I still havn't figured it out myself :)15:30
mornfallAt least I keep soyuz properly fed.15:32
mornfallNvm, back to hacking LVM.15:32
mhbhi folks15:43
Hobbseehiya15:44
HobbseeRiddell: er, do we normally reject or discard posts from people who aren't subscribed to k-u@ ?15:49
RiddellHobbsee: reject15:49
Hobbseecool.  changed back15:49
mhbnixternal: you're the Flash expert around here - do you know how hard would it be to offer Flash to be installed on demand in Konqi?16:08
mhbor anyone else, really16:08
Riddellmhb: it is16:14
Riddellof course the main problem is that it doesn't work currently16:14
mhbis it?16:14
mhbhmm16:14
mhbyes, I know the newest Flash broke everything.16:15
mhbRiddell: by the way, have you read this: http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/articles/2008/01/07/if-you-want-to-bitch-get-your-b-y-facts-straight-at-least16:15
mhbI've stumbled upon that blog post, and it says that the newest kaffeine could be somehow embedded into Konqueror16:16
mhbwhich might be beneficial for us, right?16:20
Riddellmhb: it might but I don't think it's javascript support is as good, e.g. it doesn't work on bbc.co.uk16:36
RiddellTonio_ would know more though16:36
Tonio_mhb: kaffeine can but using xcb in the first place16:38
mhbTonio_: that's what the article says.16:38
Tonio_mhb: and xcb doesn't have opengl support yet, which is a real problem16:38
mhbhrm.16:39
Tonio_not all cards have working xv support (mine doesn't16:39
mhbwhat about the new kaffeine? is it usable without the xcb enabled?16:39
Tonio_yep but will crash konqueror16:41
mhbhmm16:42
mhbtoo bad.16:44
mornfallHm, so it is building again. Let's see.16:44
mornfallFailed on i386 and successful on others.16:47
mornfalldh_buildinfo broke down.16:47
mornfallAnyone can check what the hell happened?16:48
mornfallI am rather lost.16:48
Riddellmornfall: what is dh_buildinfo16:49
mornfallRiddell: debhelper program that generates /usr/share/doc/<package>/buildinfo.gz16:50
mornfall(Which has the package versions from the buildroot in it.)16:51
Riddelllet me try a test build16:51
mornfallThe weird thing is that it worked in the other 2 arches.16:52
Riddellmornfall: it'll be arch indep only?16:54
Riddellhmm, no16:54
mornfallWell, it works in i386 Debian buildroot.16:54
coreymon77hi everybody16:54
coreymon7723:00 in my time zone?16:55
coreymon77what time will it be for me16:55
Riddelllikely you'll know what timezone you're in better than anyone else16:55
vorian@now16:55
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 23 2008, 16:55:51 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 3 hours 4 minutes16:55
mornfallIt also works on amd64, which is a little weird.16:55
mornfall(On Hardy...)16:56
vorianRiddell: what channel is the meeting going to be held on?16:56
Riddell#ubuntu-meeting, same as always16:56
coreymon77@eastern16:56
coreymon77@est16:56
coreymon77blah16:56
mhb@now16:56
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 23 2008, 16:57:00 - Next meeting: Edubuntu meeting in 3 hours 2 minutes16:56
voriancoreymon77: it will be 6pm then :)16:57
coreymon77im in toronto16:57
mhbcoreymon77: just do the math :o)16:57
mhbcoreymon77: 23:00 - 17:00 = time left to the meeting16:57
Riddellmornfall: well it fails when I build locally, no idea why16:57
mornfallRiddell: The buildinfo thing or otherwise?16:58
mornfallRiddell: What happens if you comment it out in debian/rules?16:58
Riddellmornfall: yeah16:58
Riddelldh_buildinfo                        ldinfo.gz16:58
Riddellinstall: cannot create regular file `debian/adept/usr/share/doc/adept/buildinfo.gz': No such file or directory16:58
coreymon77oh hey, what do you knwo16:58
mornfallRiddell: can you check whether the doc directory is there?16:58
coreymon77ill probably actually be able to make this one16:58
coreymon77finally16:58
coreymon77this is the first meeting i have ever been actually able to make16:58
mornfallIt should be midnight CET IIRC, so I may be there as well. If that would help any.16:59
Riddellmornfall: it's not but it's doesn't help if I add mkdir -p debian/adept/usr/share/doc/adept/ to the build rule16:59
mornfallRiddell: Great.16:59
mornfallRiddell: Maybe strace dh_buildinfo?16:59
coreymon77mornfall: my problem is that the meetings always fall in the middle of the day16:59
coreymon77and i have school16:59
Riddellmornfall: removing dh_buildinfo makes it build fine16:59
mornfallIt's probably borken beyond repair, so I'll just disable it and reupload again.16:59
mornfallO-okey.17:00
coreymon77so, how is kde4 coming along17:00
coreymon77still buggy17:00
coreymon77?17:00
Riddell/usr/lib/kde4/bin/adept_manager4_i386.deban/adept/u17:00
Riddellterminate called after throwing an instance of 'Xapian::DatabaseOpeningError'17:00
Riddellmornfall: crashes on start17:00
coreymon77thats a problem17:01
mornfallRiddell: The instructions say you need to first run update-apt-xapian-index (as root).17:01
coreymon77anyways, im gonna want to wait for more programs to be ported17:01
Riddellah, didn't see any instructions :)17:01
coreymon77i dont think i have the hd space to run both kde4 and 3 alongside17:01
mornfallRiddell: Well, that's because they are in the PPA page of mine.17:01
coreymon77Riddell: youre having problems?!17:02
coreymon77wow17:02
coreymon77thats a first17:02
coreymon77:P17:02
mornfallI suppose I could add that to post-inst or something, but it really needs to be solved properly so this is just a temporary solution anyway.17:02
mornfall(The debian/changelog is getting somewhat funny.)17:03
mornfallHm. Hm.17:03
mornfallIs it possible to have hardy pbuilder on debian?17:03
coreymon77you would think that with kde4 being such a big release, they would have it be stable when they release17:04
coreymon77but the again17:04
coreymon77this is a linux release17:04
mornfall(Ie. can Debian debootstrap create a Hardy chroot?)17:04
coreymon77since when are those ever stable on release17:04
ScottKTonio_: The current Klamav package is now available in dapper-backports, FYI.17:04
Tonio_ScottK super :)17:04
yuriycoreymon77: i assume you've read the .0 articles?17:04
yuriycoreymon77: and you should really try it for yourself17:04
coreymon77and btw, is the release after hardy gonna be lts, there are only so many more upgrades my old dell box can take, but i want to end on an lts17:05
Riddellmornfall: yes, looks like it http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/debootstrap/filelist17:05
* mornfall hands coreymon77 a bucket of cold water.17:05
mornfallyuriy: Hi!17:06
mornfallSo, let's try.17:06
coreymon77yuriy: i think my dell box has passed its stage of trying out linux related things17:06
coreymon77yuriy: know what i mean?17:06
Riddellmornfall: crashes on Apply Changes, but all good until then17:06
* yuriy is really happy about the taskbar being fixed already in SVN 17:07
mornfallRiddell: Running as root?17:07
yuriymornfall: hi17:07
coreymon77mornfall: why the water?17:07
Riddellmornfall: yes17:07
mornfallRiddell: Hmm.17:07
coreymon77yuriy: and what articles17:07
mornfallRiddell: Ah, are you installing something not in cache? I haven't even tried the download code...17:07
mornfall(And there's definitely no progress.)17:08
nareshovHow do I move a live gutsy installation to hardy? Thought I'd look for bugs and stuff :D17:08
nareshovIs it safe to s/gutsy/hardy/ on sources.list ?17:09
nareshovand dist-upgrade ?17:09
Riddellmornfall: ooh, it worked!17:09
ScottKnareshov: It's a live CD.  What's the worst that could happen?17:10
yuriywoo alpha117:10
Riddellmornfall: how does it talk to dpkg?17:11
nareshovScottK: can I upgrade from a gutsy installation to hardy ?17:11
mornfallRiddell: What do you mean? About the progress bar or about dpkg's controlling terminal?17:11
Riddellmornfall: about the lack of embedded terminal17:11
mornfallRiddell: Well, there's probably no way I could embed konsole from KDE4 and have dpkg run there...17:12
Riddellmornfall: right, so what does it do instead?17:12
mornfallRiddell: So it uses adept's own terminal.17:12
mornfallRiddell: (As in, it runs the same way as apt.)17:12
mornfallRiddell: Are any packages that require controlling terminal in maintainer scripts in the archive?17:12
mornfallI will implement a debconf frontend and conffile handler.17:13
Riddellmornfall: well, there /shouldn't/ be, but that's not a guarantee17:13
ScottKnareshov: I haven't done it, but I'd guess the worst that would happen is you reboot again.17:13
mornfallRiddell: Right, but I'd rather not fork konsole again.17:13
Riddellmornfall: but any package which does is a bug so is target for fixing or hand waving17:13
mornfallIt's tiresome.17:13
nareshovScottK: so the way to do it would be to mod the sources.list and dist-upgrade right?17:13
coreymon77Riddell: yes, supposed to, since when has linux ever done what its supposed to do? :P17:14
mornfallRiddell: It appears pbuilder happily created a hardy buildroot. Yay.17:14
ScottKnareshov: That would be one way to do it.17:14
nareshovk17:15
coreymon77later everyone17:16
yuriymornfall: shouldn't the sidebar taken from okular be mentioned in debian/copyright?17:16
mornfallyuriy: Probably should.17:16
mornfallyuriy: Patches welcome : - ).17:16
mornfallyuriy: But I will fix that before final myself, if you'd rather not.17:17
mornfall(Well, probably quite sooner than that, anyway.)17:18
yuriyit needs to include the text of the GPL as well then right?17:20
yuriyi haven't done any packaging, but i'll rtfm and send a patch, hopefully today17:21
mornfallyuriy: Only a reference to it in common-licences.17:21
mornfalllicenses, whatever17:21
Riddellmornfall: searching with xapian is super fast17:21
mornfallRiddell: Well, it's mostly super-fast because old adept is super-slow.17:22
mornfallI suppose if I implemented a simple matcher, it would be as fast as xapian.17:22
mornfallBut xapian's strength is in that the results are much better.17:22
Riddellmornfall: have you seen software-properties by the way?  it's what we use now to set up the sources.list17:22
Riddellbut I don't think it'll work on debian17:23
Riddells/set up/edit/17:23
yuriyoh yeah about that, would it be possible to integrate that as a widget in adept?17:23
Riddellyuriy: not easily, it's python17:23
mornfallThen, no.17:24
nareshovsotware-properties is still alpha code? :D17:24
yuriyRiddell: so there is no way to write custom widgets in python and use them in c++?17:24
nareshovI got a QMutex::lock: Deadlock detected17:24
mornfallRiddell: There's a package in debian. Let's try...17:24
mornfallyuriy: Basically, no.17:24
mornfallAny inter-language binding is a problem.17:25
mornfallYou can see how much effort it is to have C++ -> scripting language bindings. Other way around is even worse.17:25
Riddellyuriy: maybe at a push with libpythonize or the like ( Sime would know), but it's never easy17:25
Riddellnareshov: got dbus-x11 installed?17:26
* nareshov checks17:26
yuriyah right, cause system settings is c++ and works with guidance.. there is some sort of cpp wrapper that uses libpythonize17:26
nareshovRiddell: yup17:26
mornfallRiddell: Hm, I can parse the info files myself and produce a sources.list editor similar to software-properties, I guess.17:36
mornfallHm. Clicking "Find best server" crashes the thing.17:36
mornfallNo matter.17:39
mornfallWe'll see what happens.17:39
mornfallBtw, the -kde means -qt here? Since it doesn't seem to quite follow KDE settings...17:41
jpatrickRiddell: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/patches/kubuntu-www-1.diff17:43
mornfallDear folks, the Adept builds finally passed, get the crispy packages at https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive (when they arrive from the buildroots, anyway).17:48
mornfallI am off to a pub, see you later.17:48
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sebastian^good morning folks18:34
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mhb\sh: I'm learning math and believe me, we don't use the rule of three much in the classes :o)19:17
\shmhb, hehe19:17
mhbI don't think I've used it since elementary school19:17
yuriyRiddell: now that i think about it, shouldn't software properties be a kcm?19:18
mhbRiddell: ^^ we could do a wrapper that launches s-p-kde in a new windows from within systemsettings19:18
mhbRiddell: and we might do the same for new restricted-manager -> it could be qt4 only then19:19
mhbI don't think users would mind that much - it'll be easier for them to find, and we can integrate it the right way with KDE419:20
mhbyuriy: what do you think?19:21
yuriymhb: oh, you mean for kde3?19:21
mhbyes, that's the reason software properties aren't in systemsettings yet19:21
mhbof course, we could integrate them into KDE4 once libpythonize is ready19:22
DasKreechHey Riddell19:22
DasKreechgot what you lost?19:22
yuriymhb: oh, it's not ready? :-\19:22
mhbyuriy: last I heard, I was offline for some days though19:22
yuriySime works on it?19:23
* mhb shrugs19:23
nixternalmhb: we used to have the install on demand for flash I thought a few releases back19:27
mhbnixternal: would be awesome to have it for x86_64 too :o)19:32
mhbsince it's relatively easy to install.19:32
nixternalit would be awesome if konqi worked with flash right now too :p19:32
mhbyeah...19:32
mhbthat sucks.19:32
nixternalI am sick of having firefox on my machine already19:32
DasKreechSVN?19:33
nixternalactually, there are some flash applets on websites that actually work with Konqi-kde419:33
nixternalYouTube and such doesn't work19:33
mhbwell konq3 is not much better now19:33
mhband we better geth both ready for april :o)19:33
mhbas much as I love letting closed soure down...19:34
nixternalI think flash is working with Konqi in trunk, so that should be fixed for us in the next couple of weeks19:34
mhb3/4?19:34
mhbor both?19:34
nixternal419:34
mhbhrm, we need 3 too :o)19:34
nixternaldunno about 3...I thought it was fixed upstream and that is what we were using19:34
nixternalI remember Riddell sending an email asking people to test it19:35
mhbkonqueror-kde4 is behaving quite bad on some sites, especially with forms19:35
nixternalI have noticed that19:35
nixternalKonqi-kde4 ran quite smooth for a bit and then went to hell fairly quick19:35
nixternalit will get better though once they have webkit included19:36
mhbI hope so19:36
nixternalthe current webkit renders pages nicely, but it doesn't work with forms at all19:36
mhband 4.1 will fix all KDE4 bugs, I know :o)19:36
nixternalI was unable to type in forms19:36
nixternalhehe19:36
nixternal4.1 isn't to far off either19:36
mhba lot of people believe that19:36
mornfallOkey, once more, testers sought: https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive19:36
nixternalI was impressed with their release schedule19:36
mhbmornfall: fajn, zkusím.19:37
nixternalmornfall: is this for kde3 or 4?19:37
mornfallmhb: Who are you, out of curiosity?19:38
mornfallnixternal: 4.19:38
nixternalgroovy19:38
mhbmornfall: just a student doing some here-and-there Kubuntu hacking recreationally19:39
mornfallmhb: Hmmm, student. Where?19:40
mhbmornfall: MFF19:40
mornfallAh.19:40
mornfallI only know a couple of people from MFF.19:40
mhbmornfall: me too, I just started uni :o)19:41
mornfallAh.19:41
nixternalrebuilding xapian now19:41
nixternalindex that is19:41
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mornfallSmart boy. : - ).19:42
yuriymornfall: I think the package will need to be adept-kde4 or something since all kde4 stuff is intended to be installed alongside kde319:42
nixternalit puts a load on the system, that's for sure19:42
mornfallyuriy: Is that a problem to only provide kde4 adept?19:42
mornfallI am definitely scratching adept 2 from Debian ASAP.19:43
yuriymornfall: hardy default (or one of them :O ) will be kde3 only19:43
mornfallSo no libs? Hm.19:43
nixternallooks good mornfall, the fonts are a little ugly yet, but search works, and it works FAST19:43
yuriythough it would be nice to have kde4 libs : (19:43
mornfallnixternal: Fonts should be whatever you set up in kde.19:43
mornfallnixternal: Well, some of them are size-1.19:44
yuriyanyways, can't test the package cause i'm still on gutsy19:44
mornfallAlthough I could drop that, possibly.19:44
nixternalthat could be it, because all the fonts render fine everywhere else19:44
mhbmornfall: are you still with red hat?19:44
mornfallmhb: Yes.19:44
mhbmornfall: good to hear :o)19:44
nixternalmy god, as soon as I hit "enter", my search results are instant...that is nice19:45
mornfallI'm wondering whether to make that search-as-you-type.19:46
yuriydoes the index need to be rebuilt on every apt[-get] update?19:47
nixternalworth giving it a shot, it seems everything else is going that route19:47
mhbmornfall: if not, please put a "search" button in there19:47
mhbmornfall: so people know they have to do something after typing the keyword19:47
mornfallThe searchh interface is not definitive in any way.19:47
mornfallI will add status filters and a simple tag interface.19:47
mornfall(With probably just a list of tags and a couple of checkboxes or so.)19:48
DasKreechhi mornfall19:48
mornfallEvening DasKreech.19:48
mhbhmm, have you thought about making the selection one-click for the most common cases?19:48
mhbI mean so you don't have to expand each package just to select "install"19:49
mhbor remove when it's installed19:49
DasKreechcan't you have also have a delay timer?19:49
DasKreechnothing has been typed for2.5 seconds start serach!19:49
DasKreechSearch even19:49
mornfallDasKreech: 2.5 seconds is eternity.19:49
nosrednaekimmhb: hey, where is your repository for the desktop-effect-kde19:49
mornfallBut that's how search-as-you-type works, yes.19:49
DasKreechThat's kinda the point :)19:49
mhbI know you sometimes want to say remove the upgradable package, but still... doing the least amount of click would be lovely :o)19:50
mhbnosrednaekim: repository = branch?19:50
DasKreechmornfall: it's not search as you type it's search by default19:50
nosrednaekimmhb: I mean, where in launchpad is it? I couldn't find it19:50
DasKreechIf you haven't pressed enter it will do so for you19:50
mhbnosrednaekim: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~martin.bohm is a good start :o)19:50
mhbnosrednaekim: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/desktop-effects-kde19:50
DasKreech if you are trying to think what the name of the package/string is it automatically narrows it for you19:51
nosrednaekimthanks...19:51
mhbnosrednaekim: are you a member yet? /me cannot remember19:51
nosrednaekimmhb: no19:51
mhbnosrednaekim: okies19:51
mornfallmhb: Well, widgets are pretty expensive.19:52
mornfallmhb: Adding a widget to each list item may be a little too much.19:52
nosrednaekimmhb: why? do I need to be a member to branch it? I can apply tonight if so...19:52
mhbmornfall: hmm, by clicking on the status perhaps? :o)19:52
mornfallmhb: Counter-intuitive (IMHO).19:53
mornfall(Ie. it's quite un-obvious that clicking the icon would do anything. To me at least.)19:53
mornfallAlthough... Hm.19:53
mhbit's not intuitive, that is correct.19:53
jpatricknosrednaekim: don't need it to branch, but to upload yes19:53
mhbnosrednaekim: new url19:53
mornfallWe are tracking the mouse already, so maybe highlighting the status  *text* when mouse-over could work.19:53
mhbhttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde19:54
mornfallThen, clicking it could change it.19:54
mornfallWell, set it for installation or such.19:54
mornfallI will have to contemlpate that.19:54
mhbmornfall: thanks!19:54
mhbmornfall: by the way, it crashed when applying the changes.19:55
mornfallmhb: Yes, you have uncached packages marked for install/upgrade. Known to be broken.19:55
mhbokies.19:56
mhbnosrednaekim: you can push there19:57
mhbnosrednaekim: and please do push there... it'll be much easier for everyone to track it :o)19:57
mhbmornfall: also the "package details" button does not really do anything.19:58
mornfallmhb: True.19:58
mhbmornfall: the Details tab works.19:58
mornfallI know.19:58
mornfallWell, gotta go home. See you later : - ).19:58
mhbmornfall: see you, and tell me if you need something specific tested.19:59
nosrednaekimmhb: ok... hope I don't break anything, never done anything with bzr or such :)19:59
mhbnosrednaekim: bzr is the python of the vcs :o)19:59
mhbnosrednaekim: meaning it's easy and guides you19:59
ScottKThat's not quite how I'd have put it.20:00
* ScottK finds it much more confusing than svn.20:00
mhbdo you?20:00
mhbwell, we agree to disagree :o)20:01
ScottKYes.20:01
mhbScottK: what exactly?20:01
ScottKI can do bzr co and stuff that mirrors svn, but all the merge, branch, etc, is orthogonal to my VCS experience.20:01
mhbScottK: hmm, probably you're used to the centralized approach then?20:02
ScottKYes.20:02
ScottKAnd so far I run into bzr nowhere but Ubuntu.  I'm not up for learning a special vcs for Ubuntu.20:03
nosrednaekimmhb: ok, so I need to rebranch from that "repository" apply my changes and then push it? I previously branched from the kubuntu-members one20:03
mhbnosrednaekim: well20:03
mhbnosrednaekim: checkout that repo20:03
mhbnosrednaekim: run "bzr merge dir/where/your/branch/is"20:04
mhbnosrednaekim: and "bzr commit"20:04
nosrednaekimok20:04
* nosrednaekim does a backup of his work....20:04
mhbbzr co bzr+ssh://your.login@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde20:04
mhbso you can commit there directly.20:05
mhband you shouldn't really touch your branch20:05
mhb(you run bzr merge dir/where/your/branch/is" in the desktop-effects-kde directory)20:06
nosrednaekimok20:06
mhbnosrednaekim: just ask if something goes wrong20:09
nosrednaekimthanks :)20:10
nosrednaekimmhb: do I run the merge command from within the newly checkout dir pointing to the one where I have all of my changes?20:16
mhbyes20:16
nosrednaekimok20:16
nosrednaekimmhb: erm... it says there is nothing to do.20:18
mhbare you sure you commited your changes in your branch?20:19
nosrednaekimoh, no I didn't. that doesn't try to upload them?20:20
nosrednaekimah.. no that "push"20:20
nosrednaekimok20:20
mhbnosrednaekim: let me explain20:20
mhbnosrednaekim: if you do a "checkout", your branch is still "tied" to the original one, and when you try to commit, it tries to connect to it20:21
nosrednaekimok.20:21
mhbnosrednaekim: on the other hand, when you do a "branch", you effectively create a new branch and your branch is the "main" one.20:21
mhbnosrednaekim: if you do a "checkout" and want to unbind your branch ( change it from a checkout into a full branch), you run "bzr unbind"20:22
nosrednaekimah ok.... it was so long ago, I forgot whether I branched or checked out...20:22
mhbdo an unbind, then commit20:22
nosrednaekimok20:23
nosrednaekimok,it was a local. so I did "commit,"however, I made 3 new files and its not commiting them, is there a certain command for that? (and yes, I am going to go out an read the bzr tutorial right after this)20:25
mhbbzr add20:26
mhb(you have to commit afterwards)20:26
nosrednaekimright....20:28
mornfallRe.20:29
mhbnosrednaekim: all going well?20:32
nosrednaekimok, so I ran bzr commit and I think it uploaded the stuff...20:32
nosrednaekimbut its not showing on the launchpad page... does it take a little while?20:34
mhbit is20:34
mhbyes, usually it takes a couple of minutes, but it's there now20:34
nosrednaekimah there we go!  thanks alot!20:35
mhbnosrednaekim: change your /home/martin/.bazaar/bazaar.conf20:36
nosrednaekimmhb: does a guidance module need to be written?20:36
mhbnosrednaekim: what do you mean?20:38
mhbnosrednaekim: hmm, I guess if we should concentrate on the qt4 port20:39
nosrednaekimyeah, I didn't even try testing the kde3 one...I was only working on the qt4 one.20:40
mhbnosrednaekim: if we made it pure qt4 we could include it in Hardy, too20:40
mhbnosrednaekim: splendid20:40
nosrednaekimok, one other thing... it depends on a file in /etc/Xsession.d, how should I go about commiting that so that it knows where to go?20:41
mhbnosrednaekim: please tell me more, I'm not sure I get it20:42
nosrednaekimmhb: X runs scripts on its start, and they have to be in the /etc/X11/Xsession.d. the program a script  in there to determine if a certain  file exists in the user's homeDIR and set $KDEWM accordingly20:45
mhbso you made a script for that /etc/X11/Xsession.d ?20:46
mhband you need to get it installed?20:47
mhbor not?20:47
nosrednaekimyeah20:47
mhbhmm, you should do that within setup.py20:47
mhbI guess.20:47
mhbor not20:48
nosrednaekimwell, in any event, I'll go commit that file too.20:51
mhbdefinitely.20:53
mhbnosrednaekim: so it's working now?20:54
nosrednaekimyeah... it works(on my machine at least)20:54
mhbnosrednaekim: even choosing the effect level? that's impressive.20:55
nosrednaekimyep.20:55
nosrednaekimand you can do custon effects which allows you to use another manager. then if you want to go back to one of the presets,it will back up your custom config file to be restored next time you go back to custom20:56
mhbnosrednaekim: I need the xsession.d script for the system to be able to determine if I got compiz installed?20:57
mhbnosrednaekim: because d-e-kde4 doesn't seem to find my compiz20:58
nosrednaekimmhb: no, for it to determine if you want compiz to be autostarted as the deafult WM.20:58
mhbhmm, does d-e-kde4 recheck once I install compiz with the button?20:59
nosrednaekimI didn't touch the package management stuff (and it detects mine) do you have compiz-kde installed?20:59
mhbI do.20:59
ryanakcaaaah, all the fonts in kde4 are now microscopic!20:59
nosrednaekimmhb: what does it do if you tell it to install compiz?21:00
mhbnosrednaekim: well now it does find it21:00
mhbbut I guess it should re-check after I install it21:01
nosrednaekimmmhm, that might be a good idea... just another run of check(), right?21:01
mhbI guess so.21:01
mhbnosrednaekim: what happens when you run kwin, does compiz replace it?21:03
mhbnosrednaekim: I'm running oroborus right now and it can't replace this one.21:04
nosrednaekimrun kwin after compiz has been set as the default?21:04
mhbnosrednaekim: what I mean is: I click "standard effects", so I guess it should replace my current WM with compiz, right?21:05
mhbwithout me rebooting or such21:05
nosrednaekimmhb: yes, it does21:05
nosrednaekimor should21:05
mhbhmm, not my current one.21:05
mhbI'll start kwin.21:06
iRonryanakca: check DPI settings in fonts section21:09
mhbnosrednaekim: hmm, kwin crashes here21:11
mhbkwin: xcb_xlib.c:73: xcb_xlib_lock: Assertion `!c->xlib.lock' failed.21:11
mhbany guesses? Outdated system?21:11
nosrednaekimwoah.... what does just running compiz --replace do? same thing?21:12
mhbman, this is so broken21:14
mhbkwin --replace is broken21:14
mhbcompiz --replace is broken21:14
mhb/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work.21:14
mhbit worked fine before.21:14
nosrednaekimyeah... well, I don't think thats a problem with desktop-effects-kde ;)21:15
mhbno, it's laurel & hardy21:16
nosrednaekimhehe21:16
mhbI should have stuck with buster.21:16
iRonmhb: i know this problem with xcb.. one sec. there is a workaround for it..21:19
nosrednaekimthanks for your help mhb, i'll be back for the meeting21:20
iRonmhb: export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=121:21
iRonmhb: this will ignore xlib lock error21:21
mhbiRon: thanks!21:23
iRonmhb: yw21:23
iRonmhb: does it helped?21:23
mhbso xcb is enabled in Kubuntu?21:24
mhbyes, it did21:24
mhbI so love the compiz effects :o)21:24
mhbRiddell: did you get my question about the systemsettings stubs?21:25
ryanakcaiRon: will do :)21:27
mhbhmm, compiz rocks21:28
mhbI really love how fast it is21:28
iRonmhb: on kde3 ?21:28
mhbyeah21:28
mhbwith compiz&kde3&urxvt, I am a happy man21:29
iRon:)21:29
tomaurxvt?21:29
mhbI don't think I want kde4 anymore :o)21:29
iRonunicode rxvt21:30
tomarxvt?21:31
mhbtoma: yes.21:31
tomak21:32
mhbI can't stand kopete's default font.21:32
mhberr21:32
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mhbkonsole21:32
mhbI've even done some measurements and you can fit a lot more readable text into the terminal with -fn fixed than with konsole, even if konsole's font is scaled down to be even a bit less readable than -fn fixed.21:33
mhbplus you don't really need a scroll bar and a tab bar and a menu bar for terminals.21:34
mhbplus urxvt in the daemon mode is superfast.21:34
mhband it should save memory, too.21:35
* mhb shuts up.21:35
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iRonmhb: why not to use the same font in konsole which is in rxvt?21:38
iRonmhb: and turn off scrollbar and menu :-D21:38
mhbiRon: I've done that before (turning the menu and scrollbar off)21:39
mhbiRon: still, if I got the real fast deal (Porsche), why should I pimp my VW to look similarly?21:39
iRonright..21:40
mhbeven if I manage to do it, it'll still be slower.21:40
mhband eat more memory.21:40
iRoni was along time on xterm..21:40
iRonand wmii :)21:41
mornfallyuriy: I have pushed a fix for your crash...21:41
mornfallyuriy: (And also experimental search-as-you-type. The new refill code has problems with extenders, which I will fix in a while.)21:42
mhbiRon: and I'm not able to get the same font in konsole and in uxrvt21:43
mhbiRon: I tried "install bitmap fonts", but I still can't select them in the "choose font" menu21:43
mhbiRon: I'm getting too radical lately, I keep saying "offer the fastest/best tool for the job, even when it's not KDE"21:45
mhbiRon: the only good thing about konsole is that you can integrate it into konqueror, adept, gdebi-kde etc :o)21:46
iRonmhb: yep.. you need to enable bitmap fonts in fontconfig. dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config21:47
mhbI'm fine with urxvt. :o)21:47
iRon:)21:47
mornfallmhb: Right now, you can't quite integrate it into adept, though.21:48
mhbmornfall: the kpart does not work properly in KDE4? even not in c++?21:50
mornfallmhb: KPart sure, but it doesn't have the interface I would probably need to use it properly.21:52
neversfeldeWhere can I give feedback for this new "special" wallpaper? ;)21:52
mhbmornfall: ah.21:53
mhbneversfelde: here...21:53
mhbneversfelde: but the rationale behind it is "force the users to suggest a better one"21:53
mhbneversfelde: so go ahead and suggest .o)21:55
neversfeldeI will ask the german community, maybe a good artist is around there21:55
mhbkwwii: hi, is the Ubuntu Hardy wallpaper decided yet?21:57
neversfeldeI should not paint myself ;)21:57
toma23h here22:05
mhbtoma: one more to go22:06
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Riddellmhb: I did not get your systemsettings stubs question22:06
tomamhb: ew. so we all gather around my birthday, neat22:07
mhbtoma: yay, a party!22:07
tomaCAKE22:08
Riddellyuriy, mhb: I don't see much of a reason to have software-properties in system settings, configuration is best attached to an app and we have package management apps22:08
mhbRiddell: what about desktop-effects-kde (which is now qt4-only) and the new restricted manager (which could be qt4 only, too)22:09
mhbcould they get a stub kcontrol module for launching them?22:09
mhbso we don't have to write dead KDE3 frontends for those.22:09
Riddellmhb: desktop effects could, restricted manager should have its systray icon when it's needed22:10
mhbwell I guess it should also have a stubby in the systemsettings22:10
mhbRiddell: don't forget that people can also remove the drivers if they wish22:10
Riddellit could yes22:11
mhbokay.22:11
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* cheguevara is thinking of going to the chip shop before the meeting22:18
mhb@now22:18
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 23 2008, 22:18:40 - Current meeting: Edubuntu meeting22:18
cheguevarastill got 40 mins :P22:18
mhbhrm22:21
apachelogger_re22:21
mhbnobody solved the time conflict22:22
nosrednaekimso whats going to happen?22:22
cheguevarawb apachelogger_22:22
mhb@now22:22
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: January 23 2008, 22:22:32 - Current meeting: Edubuntu meeting22:22
apachelogger_thx cheguevara22:22
mhbI guess we have to postpone the meeting by 30 minutes22:23
cheguevaraconflict with the forum council meeting?22:23
mhbyes22:23
cheguevarahmmm22:23
mhbthey end at 23:30, we start at 23:0022:23
Nightrosewb apachelogger_ :)22:23
Nightrosewhy not just do it here?22:23
cheguevaradoes our meeting have to be in #ubuntu-meeting?22:23
cheguevaraexactly22:23
* apachelogger_ declares himself a fan of Nightrose and cheguevara22:24
Nightrose;-)22:24
cheguevara:)22:24
mhbI've got nothing against it, but ask the big fish22:24
cheguevaraping Riddell then :P22:24
Riddellhmm?22:25
cheguevaracan we have the meeting in here Riddell22:25
cheguevarabecause it clashes with the forum council meeting22:25
ugaguys, something changed in xorg utilities lately? right now my kde4 startup script began faling on xprop22:26
ugaand I see the script remains the same as weeks ago22:26
Riddellcheguevara: we seem to have the slot according to fridge22:27
ugaRiddell: startkde works for you? :/22:27
apachelogger_uga: not utilties I guess, but something....22:27
ugaI saw something about the xorg core lib22:27
cheguevaraRiddell, fridge also says the forum council meeting End: 2008-01-23 23:3022:27
ugabut I cant' recall any other updaes22:28
ugaupdates22:28
Riddellhmm, right22:28
cheguevaraunless they are gonna finish early22:28
apachelogger_uga: well, the issue seems to happen with any composite related action, so ultimately someone who knows anything about x is going to fix this ;-)22:28
cheguevaraor we start later :P22:28
cheguevarabut yeah food22:29
cheguevarabbl22:29
apachelogger_food22:29
apachelogger_omg22:29
mhbuga: xcb?22:29
ugaapachelogger_: ah thanks, I thought it was limited to this utility, since other desktops started up just fine22:29
* apachelogger_ gehts some food22:29
mhbI guess it may be xcb related.22:29
cheguevaraapachelogger_, DCC me some :P22:29
apachelogger_uga: does compiz stuff start?22:29
mhbwell my kwin crashed because of it.22:29
apachelogger_mhb: so it's xcb's fault?22:29
mhbexport LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=122:29
apachelogger_cheguevara: no way22:29
mhbfixed it for me.22:29
cheguevaraaww :P22:29
ugalets try it...22:29
mhbbut it's not permanent I guess.22:30
apachelogger_right!22:30
apachelogger_that ain't no fix :P22:30
apachelogger_thats a worky :P22:30
* apachelogger_ scuttles to the fridge22:30
mhbyes, just a workaround.22:30
apachelogger_^ hehe22:30
ugaapachelogger_: puff, I haven't used compiz stuff for ages22:30
cheguevaralucky you i have to get dressed and go to the shop lol22:30
mhbnosredna_ekim: by the way, after I fixed kwin and compiz, the configuration tool worked.22:30
cheguevara(i am not trying to say i am sitting naked)22:30
ugaapachelogger_: no, compiz seems to fail, fun =)22:31
mhbnosredna_ekim: I'm running compiz on KDE3 now and I find it awesome :o)22:31
mhbthanks for that22:31
nosredna_ekimmhb: great...22:31
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ugayes, compiz makes the desktop crash22:32
ugaapachelogger_: it seems same effect I see during the startup, so possibly same thing22:32
apachelogger_well, that issue is just way too strange22:32
apachelogger_uga: you might get hold of someone who knows about x in #ubuntu-devel22:33
apachelogger_Nightrose: btw, I didn't smoke in 24h22:34
apachelogger_<-- totally cold turkey22:34
Nightrosewohoo22:34
NightroseoO22:34
Nightrosenot good22:34
mhbgood boy apachelogger_22:34
apachelogger_well, no alcohol either22:35
Nightroseapachelogger_ btw: dunno if you read it but I want to do the artwork meeting on monday 16:00 UTC which seems to work for the others so far - is that ok for you?22:35
* apachelogger_ can't focus today22:35
mhbapachelogger_: hmm, you'll get used to it :o)22:35
mhbso the forum guys started22:37
apachelogger_aren't there drugs for that? :P22:37
apachelogger_Nightrose: not perfect, but working for  me22:37
Nightroseapachelogger_: ok thx - will send the note out some time tomorrow then22:38
Nightroseafter talking to pinheiro22:38
apachelogger_yay22:40
apachelogger_Nightrose: amarok-nightly-kdelibs is b0rked :>22:40
Nightrosemeh22:40
Nightrosewhat went wrong?22:40
apachelogger_  amarok-nightly-kdelibs: Hängt ab: libgif4 (>= 4.1.4) soll aber nicht installiert werden22:41
Nightrosehmm22:41
apachelogger_aus unerfindlichen gründen hat das ding gegen libgif gebaut22:41
apachelogger_auf gutsy sollte es aber libungif sein22:41
nosredna_ekimthere you go.. problem #1... the error message is garbled.22:41
apachelogger_lol22:41
* apachelogger_ spricht hinter nosredna_ekim rücken mit Nightrose ;-)22:42
Nightrose*g*22:42
Nightrose*nuschel* *flüster*22:42
apachelogger_*kicher*22:42
nosredna_ekim????22:42
Nightrosenosredna_ekim: ;-) just don´t pay attention to us - we are just being silly22:43
Nightroseas always22:43
apachelogger_nosredna_ekim: we were talking behind your back ... literally ;-)22:43
mhbwie immer.22:43
mhbusing German here is much more dangerous than using say Czech.22:43
nosredna_ekimI know three german phrases: "Hiel Hitler", "nein" and "ya"22:44
mhb"heal hitler"? Now that's a dangerous thought.22:44
ugaapachelogger_: mhb: fixed22:44
apachelogger_I luv fixes22:45
apachelogger_uga: what was the problem?22:45
ugaI reinstalled the nvidia binary, and let it install all glx libs again22:45
ugaduring the install I saw one error... complaining libglx.so wasn't a symlink or so22:45
ugait was, after the install though22:45
ugajust in case I removed the file, and reinstalled it22:45
ugait started up fine22:45
apachelogger_nice22:46
apachelogger_gotta restart my router22:46
ugawhat I don't know is what files were replaced or :/22:46
apachelogger_meh22:47
apachelogger_uga: have a look at launchpad22:47
apachelogger_a lotta people reported this only for kde422:47
apachelogger_so there is probably a bug report, since compiz was also effected22:47
ugaapachelogger_: possibly because they have compositing enabled22:47
ugaon kwin/kde422:48
apachelogger_actually22:48
apachelogger_no22:48
apachelogger_it doesn't22:48
apachelogger_but it queries for the capabilities22:48
apachelogger_and this is causing the actual x-crash22:48
apachelogger_anyway22:48
ugaah, that's why it runs xprop22:48
apachelogger_really have to restart my router :D22:48
ugahave fun ;)22:48
cheguevaraback22:50
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apacheloggerre22:51
Nightrosewb22:51
tomalooks like they are finishing22:53
cheguevarayep22:54
apacheloggerhm22:56
apacheloggeromg22:56
apachelogger1 hour until the motu council polls open22:56
Riddell** Kubuntu meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting22:58
Riddellapachelogger: any kubuntu types up for that?22:58
apacheloggerRiddell: hobbsee, persia and nixternal22:59
apacheloggerso 2 of 3 :D22:59
Riddellooh, excellent23:00
apacheloggerain't that bad23:00
nosredna_ekimumm whats it take to become a member?23:00
apacheloggernosredna_ekim: ongoing contribution23:02
nosredna_ekimhow long...23:02
apacheloggeras for everything in ubuntu :D23:02
apacheloggernosredna_ekim: it's not so much the how long23:02
apacheloggerit's the what23:02
apacheloggerand when23:02
apacheloggerand why23:02
nosredna_ekimah.. ok23:03
stdinyou must promise to worship konqui and end every sentence in a 'K' :)23:03
cheguevaralol23:04
* mhb regrets that Tonio is not around23:31
nixternalremember to vote for Hobbsee and I for the MOTU Council -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls <- opens in 5 minutes :)23:54
mhbOK.23:55
mhbnixternal: but you eat all council places :o)23:56
nixternalI just hope they taste good :)23:57
cheguevaralol23:58
mhbnixternal: it's like sitting on two thrones at the same time :o)23:58
mhbnixternal: nixternal the second, archduke of chicago23:59

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