[00:02] Riddell: hmm... any idea how kdebindings-kde4 got into the archives without a copyright file? [00:02] * ryanakca checks that it /is/ in the archives and he isn't imagining things [00:04] ryanakca: couldn't imagine. Do take the opportunity to add one [00:05] * ryanakca does [00:08] Riddell: would something along these lines (stolen from kdebindings-3.5.8) work for the copyright file, or do I need to list each and every author? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53090/plain/ [00:10] ryanakca: hmm, sparse [00:11] that AUTHORS file is horribly out of date [00:12] ryanakca: you don't need to list every author but it would be good to have the licence and principle author of each module [00:12] ryanakca: just fill in what information you can easily find, we can hunt for the harder details later [00:13] * Riddell sleeps [00:13] Riddell: okies, thanks, night :) [00:18] txwikinger: ping... [00:18] nosrednaekim: pong [00:19] txwikinger: more reports of keyboard randomly stopping. what did you do exactly to fix yours? [00:19] kaccess started slowkeys [00:19] so it worked .. it needed to be pressed for about 2 or 3 secs [00:20] I remembered that I had that once before [00:20] so you just disabled slow keys in system settings? [00:20] yes [00:21] txwikinger: i really have to go.... if you have time, coulkd you help Tonren over in the main channel? he seems to have the same problem as you [00:21] thanks! [00:21] ok.. I will try [00:40] Riddell: ttf-wqy-zenhei includes wqy-zenhei.ttf, no other source [00:48] Hi. [00:48] hi mornfall [00:49] Anyone with syncing powers willing to pull libwibble-dev from unstable? I have just uploaded 0.1.12 (which is required by adept-3). [00:50] I will upload libept as well in a while. [00:50] (They could go in one go I guess.) [00:54] Hm, the speed of debian buildd's is pretty darn cute. Hmm. [00:54] They used to be pretty bogged. Wondering what I have overslept. [01:01] I have also uploaded libept now. It will take a little while till it gets through. [01:02] Hobbsee: Do you have the powers neccessary to get packages from unstable into Hardy? [01:02] (Hi, too.) [01:03] mornfall: i can do, yes [01:03] what do you need? [01:03] * Hobbsee moderates kubuntu-users@ again [01:03] Well, I uploaded libwibble 0.1.12 and libept 0.5.13 into unstable, that are build-depends of adept-3. [01:04] libept wasn't picked up yet, but it should be in a while. [01:04] the autosync is off now [01:04] I mean in Debian. [01:04] The latter sits in incoming. [01:04] Hobbsee: sorry you need to do it, but thanks for it [01:05] The former already built on all arches except, well, arm (dunno what's up with arm). [01:05] claydoh: sorry it's taken so long. i unsubscribed from that list a while ago [01:05] * Hobbsee has now nuked more topic [01:05] s [01:05] I suppose kubuntu doesn't ship arm. [01:06] libept probably needs a merge? [01:07] * claydoh was considering unsubbing (again) [01:07] or did you incorporate the dash stuff? [01:07] mornfall: there are changes on both [01:07] With merge you mean with ubuntu changes? [01:07] yes [01:07] No idea... [01:08] Let me see what are those. [01:08] well, i've no idea if they're still needed [01:08] gcc patch, dash stuff, it appears [01:09] What the hell is dash? [01:09] Like the non-bash /bin/sh? [01:09] yeah, iirc [01:09] it's one of the release goals for lenny too, so you're supposed to know what it is. [01:10] Eh. [01:10] I will fix that in the next upload, then. [01:10] Although I am worried that the ubuntu fix is plain wrong. [01:10] Well, not worried. It is. [01:10] * Hobbsee has not looked at the change [01:11] TOP_SRCDIR may contain spaces. [01:11] Or other metacharacter trash. [01:12] So it has to be quoted, in a way or other. [01:12] Not to say, that in *my* dash, ls "foo"* works. [01:13] (That is 0.5.4-6) [01:16] http://rafb.net/p/7uFD9j31.html [01:17] Let's see #177033. [01:18] Okey, so not our fault and nothing to be merged into debian package. [01:20] Hobbsee: libept probably got through. Can you check whether #177033 is finally fixed? [01:21] Hobbsee: (just do something like in that transcript I pasted... if it fails, you will need to merge that workaround, I guess...) === kitterma is now known as ScottK2 [02:09] evening :) [02:09] evening [02:10] Well, thanks and bye, gotta go to bed (3:10 am, igh). [02:23] i love american idol [02:23] its the greatest ever === santiago-ve is now known as foursixnine === foursixnine is now known as santiago-ve [04:22] argh so much of this kubuntu chpt needs to be re written [04:43] nixternal: You around? [05:03] O <--- round... that is nixternal :) [05:04] somehow shortcuts on my kde4 panel stopped working after todays updates .. i click the icons and nothing happends [05:04] jjesse: sorry I've been useless the past weeks... so much stuff to do over here... I'll be able to really read the Adept guide next week (unless real life infringes again...) [05:04] ScottK2: yo yo [05:05] (keyboard shortcuts on kde4 have always been finicky...) [05:05] that is true [05:06] i don't mean keyboard shortcuts.. i mean umm application shortcuts [05:06] icons.. [05:06] ya know? [05:06] Jucato: no problem [05:06] holy crap i just updated my hardy vm and i love the login screen [05:06] hardy? kde3? kde4? [05:06] kdm3 or kdm4 [05:06] hehe same question :P [05:07] is kdm4 even themeable? [05:07] ya, I want to know, because for some reason, my kdm login (kdm3) is the old default kdm login, all square and stuff [05:10] kdm3 got this blue psychedelic theme today.. kdm4 is still ugly and as far as i can tell system settings->login manager still has no effect on how it looks [05:12] could anyone try to see if application shortcuts work from the panel? just right click some random application in the launcher and select "add to panel".. then click the icon that appears on the panel [05:13] just trying to find out if it's my fault somehow [05:13] i like the kdm3 theme [05:13] gribelu: Works here [05:13] :| [05:13] i never remember when in hardy i'm getting the libpython2.5.so not found in paths what do i need to install? [05:13] thanks hads [05:14] np [05:14] doh, now I can't remove it :) [05:15] jjesse: why does that always seem to happen... [05:15] libpython2.5-dev? [05:15] Jucato: no clue [05:15] hads: it should have a right click menu .. that does work here [05:16] Doesn't here, heh. [05:16] i already have libpythonize0-dev installed [05:16] something must be borked [05:17] jjesse: oh.. sorry :( [05:17] grumble i dont' understand why this always happens every devel version [05:23] holy smokes, heath is dead :( [05:24] yeah... found out 4 hours ago :( [05:24] poor brokeback mountain dude... [05:24] he was a damn good actor [05:24] I liked him in the Patriot, A Knights Tale, and Dogtown [05:24] bah, I gotta finish up these stupid flyers for tomorrow [05:25] you too? :) [05:25] where are you making them? [05:25] does anyone know if kinkos, or whatever they are called now, will let me print from a usb stick? [05:25] the whole heath thingis the only thing that is on the cable news these days [05:25] * Jucato had to wrestle with MS Publisher and Word 2007!!! [05:25] nixternal: They will if you ask nice. [05:25] I am using Scribus and Inkscape [05:25] grumble running into problems reconfiguring x in hardy and changing the size [05:25] isn't Kinkos like the UPS store or something now? [05:25] nixternal: lucky you [05:26] why lucky me? [05:26] used to be fedex/kinkos [05:26] ahh, ya it is Fedex [05:26] it is right next door to my sushi shop [05:26] nixternal: [13:25] * Jucato had to wrestle with MS Publisher and Word 2007!!! <--- that's why [05:26] Jucato: is MS Publisher still a huge piece of garbage? [05:26] always will be [05:27] nixternal: it doesn't use Ribbons.. that's the good part :D [05:27] they need to remove that from Office already...MS at least woke up and realized that with Front Page [05:27] the ribbons honestly do not bother me [05:27] oh, that's right, I shut them off and went with classic view, that's why :p [05:27] pfft! cheater! [05:27] :P [05:27] i love the ribbon in office 2007 [05:27] come on, those things take up a lot of realestate [05:28] reall men use ribbons! [05:28] seriously i really enjoy how it is organized [05:28] come on! after using KDE 3 you'd be used to that :P [05:28] (taking up a lot of real estate) [05:28] I shrink everything in KDE 3 so I have more work space [05:28] jjesse: probably... unfortunately for me.. most of the stuff I needed to click on in the ribbons are on the far sides... [05:28] I have my 1280x800 down to the point to where I can almost get 3 panes of code side-by-side in eclipse now :) [05:29] I thought those ribbons were a usability flopmare [05:29] eeek! widescreen :) [05:29] oh yeah.. widescreen is good for side-by-side code I guess :) [05:29] i don't care if they are a usability flopmare, i hate going back to the old version of office w/o the ribbon [05:29] OK, why is that when I download something in KDE 4, it stalls out every time [05:30] jjesse: it's fancy and pretty I'll give you that... but I need to get used to it.. a lot... [05:30] jjesse: but it doesn't help that the UI on one OS is different from another OS... so I'll be switching a lot... [05:30] * Jucato can't wait for KOffice 2.0 to be available on other platforms... [05:32] * jjesse can't wait to figure out this stupid systemsettings problem [05:32] trying to figure out why i have nothing set for screen size in my xorg.conf file [05:34] displayconfig is probably the only part of guidance that never ever worked for me... even just simply switching resolutions... [05:35] I use xrandr now...it is about the only thing that works as it should for me [05:35] it is great for when I am doing presentations [05:35] krandrtray? [05:35] if that is what it is called, then yes [05:35] yeah that works for me too... [06:32] jussi01: pong [06:33] heya, still having an issue, with this listadmin. any chance you could post your config again? [06:35] Hobbsee: also, good to see your posts finally hit the lists...:P [06:35] jussi01: hah. yes. [06:36] jussi01: what problem are you having? [06:37] seems someone did some nice moderating [06:37] as for why my own mails are getting moderated, i'm not sure [08:49] <_StefanS_> morning [08:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey.. that segfault on klauncher (kde4) is also happening on gutsy/amd64 [08:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so I guess its kde4 after all. [08:53] please get a backtrace [08:53] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: I'll try [08:54] <_StefanS_> ouch 75megs of symbols... thats alot [08:55] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: still want me to do a failsafe login, and run startkde from there? [08:56] I think this will not work for a bt [08:56] but you can try [08:56] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: got another idea for getting out those debug messages? [08:56] _StefanS_: most probably you will have to write a wrapper script around klauncher, which starts it in gdb [08:56] <_StefanS_> uhm ok, any commandline specifics for gdb ? [09:12] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: all I could get hold of was a crash file from /var/crash [09:12] does it tell anything useful? [09:13] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: not really .. http://enhance-it.dk/klauncher.crash [09:13] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: there's a coredump inside in base64, dont know how to view it though [09:14] _StefanS_: I think there should be some trace as well [09:14] that crash report has been created by apport [09:14] so it should have created a strace somewhere as well [09:15] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: any idea where that would be ? :) [09:16] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: the log just says its only written that file to /var/crash [09:17] hm [09:17] apparently it should be part of that file :S [09:20] <_StefanS_> great. [09:31] Tonio_: what does current flash in konqueror do? [09:32] Riddell: doesn't work [09:33] Tonio_: but does it crash konqueror? [09:33] Riddell: same issue, I'm still waiting for a fix [09:33] Riddell: no, just flash segfaults on the page [09:45] imbrandon: was there any magic solution to the flashplugin-nonfree issue? [09:45] imbrandon: if a newer version of flashplugin-nonfree gets installed, does it automatically download the new flash? [09:47] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: , Riddell: apparently the latest update for kde4 on hardy fixed the klauncher issue [09:47] <_StefanS_> working now. [09:47] oha [09:47] ohm [09:48] _StefanS_: did you set the default web browser setting? [09:48] to firefox for example [09:48] Hi. [09:48] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: only in kde3 [09:49] very strange [09:49] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: yea.. [09:49] <_StefanS_> anyways it works, and we will probably never know :) [09:49] _StefanS_: I only fixed a pointles assert in kauthorisized... very strange [09:50] hi [09:50] ahoy mornfall [09:50] ahoy cheguevara [09:50] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: well I guess a recompile was enough [09:50] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: fragile stuff ;) [09:50] nah :P [09:50] the only fragile stuff is kdm [09:50] that thing totally likes to break [09:50] should be really back now [09:51] wanna get back into doing something productive again [09:51] should be wiped from this planet and get a rewrite [09:51] what needs most help atm [09:51] cheguevara: bugfixin' I guess [09:51] cheguevara: can you attend the meeting today? [09:52] which timezone is that [09:52] gmt? [09:52] imbrandon: yes, it does. can we just add a debconf question "this will break konqueror, if you have a working flash you may not want to download the new version"? [09:52] s/konqueror/konqueror and opera/ [09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you notice that wallpaper issue I wrote about last night? http://enhance-it.dk/login.jpg [09:54] _StefanS_: what's your resolution? [09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: 1920x1200 [09:54] apache|mobile_, yeah 11 gmt, i'll be there [09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: smarter saw it on 1024z768 as well [09:54] <_StefanS_> R [09:54] <_StefanS_> Riddell: wierd thing it only happens after you type your password [09:54] cheguevara: ye probably wanna have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour) then [09:55] _StefanS_: hrm, that wallpaper is only 1680 x 1050 [09:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well you probably found the issue then :) [09:55] apache|mobile_, kk, looking [09:56] _StefanS_: rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu; ksplash --test [09:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep I can reproduce it [09:57] <_StefanS_> Riddell: same thing. [09:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe we should just use the background currently in kdm when it starts (?) because it seems to be of the right size [09:58] * apache|mobile_ supposes it's just scaled [09:58] <_StefanS_> maybe [09:58] _StefanS_: I noticed it yesterday, not today [09:59] _StefanS_: did kubuntu-default-settings change yesterday ? [09:59] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: /etc/kde3/backgroundrc : WallpaperMode=Scaled [09:59] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: so you're right [09:59] I am always right :P [09:59] unless I am wrong [09:59] <_StefanS_> precisely. [10:00] <_StefanS_> pretty much like anyone else :D [10:00] _StefanS_: wget http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/Theme.rc && sudo mv Theme.rc /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes/kubuntu/Theme.rc [10:00] rm -r ~/.kde/share/apps/ksplash/cache/Moodin/kubuntu; ksplash --test [10:01] Riddell: fyi, kmail works again after update [10:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that fixed it ;) - i noticed you put a patch to disable scaling sometime in the past for moodin just now [10:05] <_StefanS_> anyone else have two batteries on hardy (on a laptop obviously) [10:10] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: I think it would be really cool to alter that logout effect so the desktop fades completely away once you have selected to logout/restart/shutdown [10:11] _StefanS_: bugs.kde.org [10:11] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: nawp, I'm talking about a kubuntu only patch :D [10:12] no advocate from me [10:13] there is really only very little reason to patch anything kubuntu-only [10:14] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: well you should ask Tonio_ about kubuntu-only patches.. because there has been alot really in the past ;) [10:14] yeah [10:15] well [10:15] should change with kde 4 [10:15] only reason to patch something is to change default settings, create branding or fix kubuntu specific issues [10:16] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: well yes.. but you could argue that it would be a default setting also ;) [10:16] nope [10:16] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: its a matter of definition. [10:16] you can't [10:16] you change a fundamental appearance [10:16] _StefanS_: bugs.kde.org [10:17] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: right.. [10:17] otherwise I don't support it [10:18] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: well thats okay, but then you will just end up with a generic kde4. [10:18] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: but thats just my opinion. [10:18] what's it the problem with that? [10:19] why do we use KDE anyway, when we don't agree with their stuff? [10:19] heh [10:19] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: well thats a very black/white approach dont you think ? :) [10:20] nope [10:20] this is a change that can be valuable for KDE [10:20] if they decide it's no good [10:20] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: yes.. if you ever get it done in kde via bugs.kde.org. Good luck. [10:20] why should we decide it is [10:21] _StefanS_: so talk to lubos personally [10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it seems like that change on moodin made the progress text misaligned [10:22] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: yep maybe I will do that :) [10:22] _StefanS_: in which way? it's centred for me, could do with being moved up into the lighter background [10:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the icons that show the different steps is fine, but the "Loading desktop..." etc is diplayed below the box [10:27] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: I hope you're not angry with me ? :) [10:27] _StefanS_: nope, I can understand your point [10:27] <_StefanS_> apache|mobile_: great ok :) [10:31] _StefanS_: right, that has always been the case [10:32] <_StefanS_> oh ok, maybe i just havent noticed :) [10:32] <_StefanS_> could we enhance that text, maybe make it bold? [10:32] <_StefanS_> you cant really see it that clearly [10:32] _StefanS_: moving it up would probably be best [10:33] <_StefanS_> indeed [10:34] _StefanS_: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/Theme.rc [10:34] <_StefanS_> trying. [10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: needs about two more lines down [10:37] lines? [10:37] edit StatusCoords and let me know what works [10:37] <_StefanS_> sure [10:38] <_StefanS_> Riddell: 520 works for me [10:39] _StefanS_: ok, we'll use that [10:39] <_StefanS_> cool [10:39] <_StefanS_> and thanks. [10:39] I'll wait and see if the artist gets back to us with a larger version first [10:39] <_StefanS_> yup [10:40] _StefanS_: doesn't it look bad on your rediculously high resolution display? [10:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well not really, I mean the text could probably be black instead of the greyish to enhance the readability [10:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the rest is fine really [10:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: #000000 for the StatusColor and we're good (just tried it, and it improves the readability quite alot, given the transparency in the background(s) etc..) [10:43] _StefanS_: ok, we'll do that [10:44] <_StefanS_> kool. [10:44] <_StefanS_> I actually have two rediculously high resolution displays btw. [10:44] <_StefanS_> ;) === apache|mobile_ is now known as apachelogger [11:50] So. [11:59] When soyuz picks up, adept 3 should be installable from https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive -- mind the instructions, though! [11:59] (Testers welcome.) [12:00] mornfall: cool, Ill give it a go when I get home. where would you like bugs to? lp? [12:02] jussi01: Maybe just private mail. [12:02] Or here. [12:02] Should be easiest for both. [12:05] mornfall: sure [12:06] how exciting [12:11] <_StefanS_> mornfall: is it qt4 ? [12:13] that would be the defining feature :) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:40] Well, there are others... [12:40] oh, no, gutsy packages.. [12:45] --> work, now. See you later. [12:49] * apachelogger__ cripples packages for amarok nightly builds [12:50] apachelogger__, prolinux schreibt wenigstens das es Pakete für "ubuntu" gibt ... [12:50] meine amarok2 [12:51] emonkey: was sollten sie sonst schreiben? [12:51] golem hat das auch geschrieben [12:51] * emonkey fände kubuntu angemessener [12:52] und verlinkt haben sie die englische anstatt die deutsche news [12:52] egal [12:52] emonkey: naja, prolinux... die meisten editoren sind gnomes oder fluxbox zeugs user [12:52] golem hat kubuntu geschrieben [12:53] viel besser [12:53] man sollte meinen das ein Linux Magazin im gegensatz zu einem Tech Magazin differenzierter schreibt ... [12:54] emonkey: naja, ich bin sowieso für die differenzierung von ubuntu als distro und ubuntu als projekt [12:54] ist, und bleibt, ein marketingtechnischer teufelskreis [12:54] hmja stimmt schon [12:55] http://forum.golem.de/list.php?22615 [12:55] hehe [12:55] flame++ [12:55] <_StefanS_> wtf.. :) [12:55] <_StefanS_> teufelkreis rules [12:57] lol [12:57] emonkey: http://forum.golem.de/read.php?22615,1197193,1197193#msg-1197193 [12:57] manche verstehen das mit dem _pre_ release nicht ganz ;-) [12:57] I luv windows :D [12:58] ^ ^ [12:58] apachelogger__: what did you expect? *g* [12:58] Nightrose: da sie VORSCHAU geschrieben habe, war ich mir doch sicher, dass jeder versteht, dass das nicht die final ist ;-) [12:59] ;-) lass es dir eine lehre sein und sei _niemals_ sicher [12:59] du wirst bei sowas immer enttäuscht werden ;-) [12:59] neehee [12:59] die hätten screenshots posten sollen [12:59] alles golems schuld! [12:59] hehe [12:59] aber kubuntu steht :D [12:59] muahahaha [13:00] eines tags... [13:03] <_StefanS_> das ist aber klasse egon [13:03] lol [13:03] Nightrose: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HaraldSitter/KdeFour/MigrationWizard#head-953162b13c5cfd81aeacd3e7baf18bc895dc33d3 [13:04] how do you like my nu graphics? [13:04] hehe perfect apachelogger__ [13:04] make everything even more complicate, don't they? :P [13:04] indeed [13:04] ;-) [13:05] * apachelogger__ needs an app to properly draw process flows [13:05] take latex [13:05] :P [13:05] Oo [13:05] apachelogger__: what did you use for that? [13:05] apachelogger__: need to learn UML ;-) [13:06] Nightrose: l'inkscape, bin sûr [13:06] hehe [13:06] iRon: umbrello :P [13:06] that thing is... I don't exactly get how to use umbrello for what I want to do ;-) [13:06] apachelogger__: draw use case and flow diagrams :) [13:14] hi, can anyone tell if I patched kdesudo to ignore the --nonewdcop argument, would it break something? [13:15] apachelogger__: jezzz @ google analytics... [13:15] damn [13:15] that is crazy [13:18] Nightrose: .8 caused more visitors [13:19] really? man... [13:20] anyway I got quite some visitors from the AI to my site ;-) [13:22] rivo: it should break kcontrol [13:22] rivo: why would you? [13:23] Riddell: bug 182403, i.e. kcontrol is broken already [13:23] Launchpad bug 182403 in kdesudo "kdesudo --nonewdcop option breaks the system" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182403 [13:23] Riddell: I tested with patched kdesudo 2.0 package and systemsettings worked fine (unlike with unpatched kdesudo) but I'm wondering if it might break something else [13:25] <_StefanS_> rivo: you should ask Tonio_ about that kdesudo switch [13:25] <_StefanS_> rivo: he might know something [13:26] what changed in 1.1-0ubuntu2.2? [13:27] Riddell: #155032 was fixed, it might be that there's some kind of permissions problem with dcop now [13:28] best check with Tonio_ [13:29] ok [13:30] rivo: that's a gutsy problem right ? [13:30] Tonio_: yep [13:30] fixed with the latest kdesudo [13:31] everyone is free to provide or suggest a backport from hardy to gutsy.... [13:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ;) [13:31] even an -updates update will do the trick :) [13:31] Tonio_: latest is 2.0? [13:31] rivo: yep, on hardy only at the moment [13:31] rivo: fixes all bugs reported to launchpad afaik [13:32] Tonio_: I tried that, built the package for gutsy (using hardy's sources), it still had the same problem [13:32] hum..... [13:32] lemme look at your bug [13:33] might it be that some other package is buggy then? [13:34] rivo: I can't seem to reproduce.... [13:34] rivo: I suspect this is somehow linked to the old random bug we have with the installer [13:34] rivo: kde desktop database isn't created correctly [13:34] Riddell: wasn't that fixed before gutsy ? [13:35] Tonio_: yes [13:35] rivo: your problm is that within the root user, kcmshell doesn't find the clock.desktop module, while they are found with the current user [13:35] rivo: try this : [13:35] Tonio_: for some reason it only seems to be affecting new installations, on my usual system everything works fine, too, but on clean install it doesn't [13:35] login as root and load the root profile : [13:35] sudo -i [13:35] then kcmshell --list [13:36] even better "kcmshell --list | grep -i clock" [13:36] you should have no result [13:36] same command should work as your current user [13:37] rivo: another way to test is install gksudo and test with this :) [13:38] rivo: the difference with the 1.1-0ubuntu2.2 upgrade is that then the root profile is used instead of the user's [13:38] rivo: that's also the way gksudo works, and so should confirm your kde desktop database issue [13:38] Hm. [13:38] Anyone can explain this? [13:38] Tonio_: ok, I'll boot to the clean system with my other computer and try [13:38] 1190 Setting up kdelibs5-dev (4.0.0-0ubuntu4) ... [13:39] 1221 CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config [13:39] rivo: as I said, that's to what I know a bug with the livecd installer [13:39] rivo: works on my system cause I always use the alternate cd [13:39] Riddell: We should take care of desktop file database and kcontrol modules within a livecd session [13:39] Riddell: I suspect it is still broken somehow [13:40] Riddell: and afacr that was due to the filesystem used on the livecd [13:41] Tonio_: how would the filesystem affect it? [13:41] mornfall: that'll be our non-standard install location /usr/lib/kde4 [13:41] Grah. [13:41] Anyone with a fix? [13:42] Well, it should be fixed in your version of cmake then? [13:42] Riddell: don't remember but that was our conclusion since there was a difference between the livecd and alternate on that point after the installation [13:42] mornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kde.mk [13:42] Riddell: that's the famous "empty kcontrol" bug.... [13:42] every kcm modules going in the kmenu in "found items" section [13:43] rivo: can you please let me know if it works any better with gksudo ? that's important to correctly diagnose the issue :) [13:45] Tonio_: turned out that my "clean" system isn't that clean anymore and it works there... I'll test with gutsy livecd but it'll take a bit more time [13:47] Riddell: Do you have the cmake.mk as well? [13:47] mornfall: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/cmake.mk same as debian [13:47] rivo: don't you have a machine where the problem appears ? [13:47] Riddell: There's a include debian/cdbs/cmake.mk with some bug reference... [13:47] I'll try it that way then. [13:50] mornfall: yes, same as debian-qt-kde I should have said [13:50] Ah. Well, I built with standard cmake.mk... [13:50] (In Debian, that is.) [13:51] hm [13:51] Tonio_: the famous bug [13:51] in KDE 4 that is? [13:52] Riddell: Is that just s,/usr,/usr/lib/kde4, in .install, or are the bits more dispersed? [13:52] (I am trying now...) [13:52] Hm. [13:52] mornfall: that should work [13:53] unless you have qt plugins [13:53] also etc to usr/lib/kde4/etc [13:54] Tonio_: not anymore, the bug magically gets fixed after using kdesudo without --nonewdcop and seems that sometimes it gets fixed permanently... odd, I know [13:55] Tonio_: on livecd, after updating kdesudo, kcmshell --list | grep clock as root only prints out a bunch of dcop errors [13:55]