[00:00] <pirko> Hi I am installing kubuntu via netboot but the disk controller is not recognized. It is ich8 chipset, ahci is enabled. any advice?
[00:00] <^TheCrono> does the intsall know what is /home what is swap and what is extended?
[00:00] <^TheCrono> i used to know how to install ubuntu heh
[00:00] <^TheCrono> but that was 5.10
[00:01] <Taggnostr> what is the min/suggested ram for kubuntu?
[00:02] <biovore> Taggnostr: I would suggest 384 or more.. else it runs like a slug..
[00:02] <fignew> Taggnostr: depends on how heavy of a user you are ;)
[00:03] <wimpies> stdin : I tried the fix on the referred page and the package now installs but still firefox does not load plugin ?
[00:04] <stdin> wimpies: have you restarted firefox?
[00:04] <wad> I'm playing with my new laptop (Thinkpad T61), and the sound is rather screwy. There is a volume control icon at the bottom right, but it doesn't do anything. Regardless of where I set the slider, the volume stays the same: medium. There is a "mixer" button, and it has a "PCM" slider (whatever PCM stands for) which actually controls the volume. Do you guys use something else? kmix seems lame to me.
[00:05] <wad> For example, in KMix, there are a bunch of cliders for microphones on the "output" tab. Huh?!?
[00:05] <Taggnostr> I just have to run 1/2 programs
[00:05] <wad> s/cliders/sliders/
[00:05] <wimpies> stdin yes I did
[00:06] <stdin> wimpies: I can't really help much, I don't use flash often and I run hardy not gutsy
[00:07] <Tonren> My keyboard stopped responding.  I couldn't even Ctrl + Alt + F1, but then I did an Alt + SysRq + R, and I was able to Ctrl + Alt + F1 into a VT and open up irssi to get here.  Why is this happening in KDE?
[00:08] <Tonren> Anyone?  This is a horrible showstopping bug.  Please help me.
[00:09] <biovore> dmesg show any hints
[00:10] <Tonren> Nope.
[00:10] <wad> Tonren: I think most people here are seeking help, rather than providing it. :) I know I'm certainly in the first category.
[00:11] <wad> Tonren: Did you have stuff on the display?
[00:11] <Tonren> wad: Yeah, I mean, other than the keyboard not functioning, KDE is functioning exactly as it should.
[00:11] <Tonren> I even used my Firefox bookmarks to navigate to a few threads on the issue.
[00:11] <Tonren> It seems unnervingly common, but there are no solutions.
[00:11] <wad> Tonren: Just use the mouse. Keyboards are overrated anyway.
[00:11] <wimpies> stdin : do you have flashplugin installed ? Can you check if you have an /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin ?
[00:11]  * wad ducks
[00:12] <wad> Tonren: I guess I can ask a serious question: Did you change anything recently on the system, that could have affected this?
[00:12] <stdin> wimpies: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Jan  6 09:09 /etc/alternatives/mozilla-flashplugin -> /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so
[00:12] <wad> Specifically, anything in xorg.conf, maybe?
[00:12] <nosrednaekim> Tonren:i'm hearding alot of these reports... you need to disable slow keys in systemsettings->accesibility
[00:13] <wad> Hey, look! Someone who knows stuff!
[00:13] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: your mouse still works, right?
[00:13] <wimpies> stdin : hmm, thx ... i have that too :(
[00:15] <^TheCrono> Wow, 1.2GB is the size of my folder 'small games'
[00:15] <sebiz> español
[00:15] <^TheCrono> i might not even keep those, they may not work
[00:15] <respatix> does anyone know how to register a nick
[00:15] <sebiz> hola ayuda en español
[00:15] <Dragnslcr> !es | sebiz
[00:15] <^TheCrono> type /chanserv help
[00:15] <ubotu> sebiz: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[00:15] <^TheCrono> or /nickserv help
[00:16] <^TheCrono> its going to take 6 hours to compress my shit
[00:16] <^TheCrono> stuff*
[00:16] <^TheCrono> That's a long time
[00:17] <Tonren> wad: I don't think so, really.  And, yeah, the mouse still works.
[00:17] <^TheCrono> i even have 4 compressors going at once
[00:17] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: then go to system settings->accesibility and disable slow keys
[00:17] <wimpies> stdin : it works now ... for some reason (Just started and started firefox two or three times)
[00:18] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Slow Keys is disabled; it was never enabled.
[00:18] <respatix> identify
[00:18] <stdin> wimpies: flash is odd, I guess sometimes it needs a kick :p
[00:18] <wimpies> Thx CUALL
[00:18] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hmmm.. let me see
[00:19] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Every time I Ctrl + Alt + F7 back to KDE, I have to Alt + SysRq + R to get back to my VT.
[00:19] <Tonren> I'm on an HP Compaq Presario v2565us laptop.
[00:19] <jimmy51> hello, does the second item on this page (http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/k/knetworkmanager/knetworkmanager_0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu7/changelog) mean it's already in place in the package?
[00:20] <pierreth> my php bug was firefox
[00:20] <pierreth> everything was working
[00:20] <pierreth> firefox is caching the mime types
[00:20] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hum, are you certain slow keys is disabled?
[00:21] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: Absolutely, positively certain.
[00:21] <Tonren> nosrednaekim: What does slow keys do?  Let you hold keys down to type them?
[00:22] <txwikinger> Tonren: you have a probem with the keyboard?
 I typed for the help and got it.  but still don't get get it.  it said identify and set.  what do i type register my nick
[00:22] <^TheCrono> its /msg nickserv register password i think
[00:22] <^TheCrono> not sure
[00:22] <respatix> let me try
[00:24] <jimmy51> here's an excerpt:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53091/
[00:24] <respatix> that didn't seem to do anything
[00:24] <Tonren> txwikinger: Yes.. a terrible, horrible problem.
[00:25] <txwikinger> It might be that slowkeys somehow switched on
[00:25] <Tonren> txwikinger: nosrednaekim was thinking the same thing, but it definitely isn't.  No chance at all.
[00:25] <jimmy51> there is or was a bug in kdenetworkmanager that prevents me from connecting to a windows server vpn.  this changelog shows a fix was implemented, but i'm not sure if it's in 7.10
[00:25] <txwikinger> try to press one key for several seconds and see
[00:26] <txwikinger> Tonren: what exactly happens?
[00:26] <Tonren> txwikinger: I tried that, nothing happened
[00:27] <stdin> jimmy51: see what version you have
[00:27] <Tonren> txwikinger: Just nothing.  The keyboard completely stops responding.  If I hit Alt + SysRq + R, I can hit Ctrl + Alt + F1 and go to a VT, which is what I'm doing now
[00:27] <CruCio> anyone here running ubuntu or kubuntu on their PS3 ?
[00:28] <CruCio> What makes you guys chooses Kubuntu over Ubuntu ?
[00:29] <^TheCrono> KDE
[00:29] <stdin> !ot
[00:29] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:29] <Tonren> Jesus... there are dozens of people on the boards with this exact same problem, and no one knows how to fix it.
[00:30] <txwikinger> Tonren: You could try to remove xserver-xorg-input-evdev and relogin .. maybi this helps
[00:30] <NickPresta> Perhaps such an application doesn't exist, but I was wonder if there was any way to easily make brackets that I can print? I am aware of bracketmaker.com but a local application is preferred. Any ideas?
[00:30] <jimmy51> stdin: (linux newness shows... )  how do i check my version from the command line?  i see it in the adept gui, but i'm curious about the cmd line method... apt-version or something?
[00:31] <NickPresta> jimmy51, to check your system version: lsb-release -a
[00:31] <NickPresta> jimmy51, lsb_release, sorry
[00:31] <stdin> jimmy51: "apt-cache policy <package>" so in your case "apt-cache policy knetworkmanager"
[00:31] <^TheCrono> man, my computer is using 30gigs of my HD..and i can'tfind that 30 gigs anywhere
[00:32] <^TheCrono> windows/programfiels is only 4GB
[00:32] <hari> hello
[00:32] <jimmy51> stdin: ok, i'm running "1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5"
[00:33] <jimmy51> stdin:  his changelog says "1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu6"
[00:33] <stdin> jimmy51: then you don't have it, if you look at the changelog "knetworkmanager (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu6) hardy; urgency=low" you can see it's in hardy
[00:33] <hari> i have p4 ht processor but kubuntu does not display two processors is there some way i can enable hyperthreading?
[00:34] <jimmy51> stdin:  is there any way i can force mine to upgrade to the version the fix is in?
[00:34] <NickPresta> ^TheCrono, you could always do: `sudo du -sh /` and see where the bulk of your space is being used. cd into the largest folder and run `du -sh` there until you find the root of your problem. Check out `filelight` too, in the repos.
[00:34] <hari> i tried ht=on acpismp=force but nothings seems to work
[00:35] <^TheCrono> i'm not on kubuntu yet, i'm deleteing stuff off my HD so i can partition easyer
[00:35] <stdin> jimmy51: you can either request a backport on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager  or wait for hardy to be released
[00:36] <^TheCrono> i got an 80 gig HD, main partiton is 74GB, 50GB is free, everything on the partition is 15GB..wheres the other 10?
[00:36] <^TheCrono> 10gb is hiding somewhere
[00:37] <jimmy51> stdin:  thanks for the help.  i'll look around on the link you sent and try to request it.
[00:38] <stdin> jimmy51: you just file a bug report saying "Please backport knetworkmanager to gutsy because ..." and put in the reason
[00:40] <Tonren> :-\  My computer froze.
[00:43] <^TheCrono> well, here goes, i hope this is bootable
[00:44] <txwikinger> Tonren: Can you do things with the mouse>
[00:44] <txwikinger> ?
[00:44] <scubar> hi
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> back..
[00:47] <Tonren> txwikinger: It's working fine now.
[00:47] <Tonren> txwikinger: It will continue to do so until it randomly decides to break again.
[00:48] <txwikinger> do you have a lot of swapping going on at the same time?
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> thanks txwikinger
[00:48] <txwikinger> nosrednaekim: I didn't do anything :)
[00:48] <nosrednaekim> txwikinger: you tld him to remove that package
[00:49] <txwikinger> Ah.. was that helping?
[00:49] <nosrednaekim> !helpersnack | txwikinger just accept a cookie ok?
[00:49] <ubotu> txwikinger just accept a cookie ok?: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[00:49] <txwikinger> :)
[00:50] <txwikinger> thanks nosrednaekim
[00:51] <basy> Hi, I set system settings -> monitor&display -> power saving to 5hour, but monitor turns off after 10min. How can i find what is turninig off my monitor?...
[00:52] <rysiek|pl> guys, I am trying to run Compiz Fusion on an intel 965 (aka X3100)
[00:52] <nosrednaekim> Tonren: hey, if you have a forums account, mind posting what worked for you?
[00:53] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: and...
[00:53] <rysiek|pl> I have set "SKIP_CHECKS=yes" and compiz runs... and X hangs
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> I get "I830 Vblank Pipe Setup Failed 0" in Xorg.0.log
[00:54] <Taggnostr> uhm, kubuntu starts without gui
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> ...and google was not of much help
[00:54] <humbolto> is there something like the CTRL+Shift+u then unicode shortcut in KDE to create unicode chars which are not on the keyboard?
[00:54] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: what driver are you using? i810 or intel?
[00:54] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: intel
[00:56] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: I tried i810 while fighting with the widescreen problem (nvm, solved), but... xorg wouldn't even get up with that; should I try once again? It might have been the other options that were changed that killed xorg then
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> no.. intel is the correct driver
[00:56] <nosrednaekim> rysiek|pl: ask in #compiz-fusion
[00:56] <^TheCrono> Ugh, anyways, what is the command to install kubuntu?..it left me at a prompt saying ubuntu@ubuntu
[00:57] <rysiek|pl> nosrednaekim: ok, thx
[00:57] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: are you in recovery mode?
[00:57] <biovore> ^TheCrono: it did install..
[00:57] <^TheCrono> so..what hapepned?
[00:57] <biovore> X probably isn't starting because its dosn't like its configuration..
[00:57] <^TheCrono> How do i fix this?
[00:57] <biovore> depends.. how much unix you know?
[00:57] <^TheCrono> lol, i'm in here asking if it installed
[00:58] <biovore> so nothing then..
[00:58] <^TheCrono> Not much, i'm trying to learn
[00:58] <Scubar> i know as much unix as a goat does english
[00:58] <Taggnostr> I've a monitor with 1680x1050 but I'm running on a virtual machine so it is in a window
[00:58] <^TheCrono> I remember a desktop and the like last time.
[00:58] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    - installs the full kuybuntu desktop on your system
[00:58] <^TheCrono> why do i need to downlaod kde?
[00:58] <^TheCrono> i jsut got it and installed it
[00:58] <^TheCrono> kubuntu desktop
[00:58] <Taggnostr> it tried some resolution but they failes, then it asked me the user and pass without gui
[00:58] <biovore> ^TheCrono: you installed using kubuntu desktop installer CD/DVD?
[00:58] <^TheCrono> 7/10
[00:59] <^TheCrono> cd
[00:59] <^TheCrono> yes,
[00:59] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: this is in a vm? which VM manager?
[00:59] <^TheCrono> kubuntu-7.10-desktop-i386.iso
[00:59] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  you are making very little sence..  If you  installed using the Kubuntu cd. then you have kde.
[00:59] <gtt> ugh
[00:59] <gtt> i'm having the hardest time with kde4
[00:59] <^TheCrono> KDE won't load though
[00:59] <biovore> ^TheCrono: when you booted of the CD did it find your graphics?
[00:59] <Taggnostr> virtual box, I've just installed the guest addition, reboot and the gui didn't start
[00:59] <Dr_willis> ^TheCrono,  NOW you are starting to make sence.
[00:59] <^TheCrono> No clue.
[00:59] <Scubar> thats why theres a kde4 channel
[01:00] <gtt> it forwards to #kde.. ?
[01:00] <biovore> ^TheCrono: when you put the disk in the drive and booted the CD ... did a desktop come up?
[01:00] <Dr_willis> So The newly installed system is not booting to the X login screen then? YOu are just getting a console prompt?
[01:00] <^TheCrono> no,
[01:00] <nosrednaekim> gtt: #kubuntu-kde4
[01:00] <^TheCrono> its stayed at a prompt
[01:00] <biovore> ^TheCrono: what graphics carD?
[01:00] <^TheCrono> ati radeon x1300
[01:01] <biovore> hmm should have worked..
[01:01] <^TheCrono> let me try to reboot it
[01:01] <^TheCrono> brb
[01:01] <Dr_willis> ive learned to never trust ati. :P
[01:01] <gtt> nosrednaekim: thanks :)
[01:01] <biovore> yeah.. ati + linux = crud
[01:01] <biovore> most of the time..
[01:02] <Scubar> where can i get i386 libs so i can install opera ?
[01:02] <biovore> Scubar: you on amd64?
[01:02] <Scubar> yup
[01:03] <biovore> Scubar: apt-get install ia32-libs
[01:03] <^TheCrono> i rebooted and it loaded windows xp
[01:03] <Scubar> ty
[01:03] <biovore> ^TheCrono: if you boot the installer cd it should come up in a gui to install..
[01:03] <Scubar> ill let adept update all my packages first as ive just installed again
[01:03] <Scubar> after the 15th attempt at making vista and kubuntu install
[01:03] <Scubar> was being a pain in the ass
[01:04] <biovore> yeah.. vista has 2 be the first partition on the drive
[01:04] <^TheCrono> i did, and i installed it..it had the kubuntu icon with the blue bar going abck and forther, then ti said kubunto laoded or somethign and gave me a ubuntu@ubuntu prompt
[01:04] <Scubar> yea
[01:04] <Scubar> i just found that out
[01:04] <Scubar> stupid vista
[01:04] <sebiz> español
[01:04] <biovore> ^TheCrono: yeah.. thats not the gui I am talking about..
[01:04] <^TheCrono> i rebooted, kubuntu said take the Cd out and hit enter..i did, computer went off..i turned it on, windows xp laoded iup
[01:04] <Scubar> did u get the text based installer by any chance ? Crono ?
[01:04] <^TheCrono> yes
[01:05] <sebiz> hola
[01:05] <^TheCrono> had several options
[01:05] <biovore> the X windowing system dosn't look to have started..
[01:05] <sebiz> como estas
[01:05] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim, when I start it there is the kubuntu logo with the progress bar, when it reachs the end appears: usplash: Setting mode 1280x1024 failed, 1152x864 failed using mode 1024x768
[01:05] <Scubar> why not just get the live cd and install it that way
[01:05] <^TheCrono> let me try again
[01:05] <^TheCrono> i thought i did
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> !usplash
[01:05] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[01:05] <Scubar> well theres ur problem then
[01:05] <biovore> he got the desktop-cd.. (no command line install on that disk)
[01:05] <^TheCrono> so...what do i do?
[01:05] <Taggnostr> after that kinit: name_to_dev_t(...) kinit: trying to resume from .... kinit: no resume image, doing normal boot
[01:06] <Taggnostr> and the the login appears without gui
[01:06] <^TheCrono> there is no gui ever
[01:06] <sebiz> canal en español
[01:06] <biovore> ^TheCrono: not sure.. I wouldn't probably try farther because of your lack of unix knowledge.. you hardware probably isn't supported then.. :-(
[01:06] <^TheCrono> ive had this before
[01:06] <^TheCrono> on a crappyer system :D
[01:06] <ubuntu> hello
[01:07] <^TheCrono> i used ubuntu 5.10 last time
[01:07] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim, should I try that command?
[01:07] <sebiz> hola
[01:07] <sebiz> canañl
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: log in and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow the dialog
[01:07] <^TheCrono> if i installed 5.10..can i update it to 7.10 and get KDE?
[01:07] <sebiz> canal en
[01:07] <nosrednaekim> Taggnostr: no... take a look at that link then
[01:07] <^TheCrono> and it would be all the same i believe
[01:07] <Taggnostr> ok
[01:07] <ubuntu> I have an issue and wondering if anyone can help?
[01:07] <^TheCrono> i got like 50 5.10 CDs lol
[01:08] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what is it
[01:08] <NickPresta> ubuntu, give us more information and we can try :)
[01:08] <Scubar> sounds like you got the alternate cd @ The Crono
[01:08] <intelikey> ubuntu don't ask to ask.  just explain what you have and what you want it to do
[01:08] <^TheCrono> no, i got the very first one in the downlaod section
[01:08] <^TheCrono> gutsy
[01:09] <ubuntu> ok, Thx nosrednaekim and nickpresta, i'm recently running kubuntu from cd and the audio drives won't register
[01:09] <^TheCrono> verey first link
[01:09] <Scubar> what size iso was it ?
[01:09] <^TheCrono> http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/kubuntu/gutsy/
[01:09] <^TheCrono> that one, to be specific
[01:09] <^TheCrono> 697mb
[01:10] <^TheCrono> let me try that sudu command
[01:10] <Scubar> i doubt very much that it wouldnt support your x1300 card
[01:10] <ubuntu> amarok gave me a warning sign stating that 'xine couldn't detect any audio drives'
[01:10] <Taggnostr> nosrednaekim I can't understand what should I do with that link
[01:11] <BluesKaj> ^TheCrono, run the live cd again. This time open the run command : kdesu kate /boot/grub/menu.lst . Then add this to the bottom of your gub/menu.lst: http://www.pastebin.ca/869266
[01:11] <intelikey> !sound | Ubuntu
[01:11] <ubotu> Ubuntu: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: do other sounds work?
[01:12] <ubuntu> thx ubotu
[01:12] <Scubar> !kiss ubotu
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kiss ubotu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <ubuntu> and no, NO sound works, nosrednaekim
[01:12] <BluesKaj> oh and save it , ^TheCrono
[01:13] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: what does kmix show? anysound channels?
[01:14] <Scubar> lucky i just looked up what kdesu does
[01:14] <ubuntu> what do u mean sound channels?
[01:14] <Scubar> never knew that sudo graphical apps = bad idea
[01:14] <nosrednaekim> ubuntu: any sliders?
[01:14] <ubuntu> shows master on, headphone on, pcm on, master mono on
[01:15] <ubuntu> on input tab the cd is on, and switches external amplifier is on...
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> I suggest you follow that link that intelikey(through ubotu)  gave you
[01:16] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , make sure mix is on in the switches tab
[01:16] <intelikey> BluesKaj lines 5 & 6 can cause issues in some cases.   just fyi.
[01:17] <ubuntu> ok nosrednaekim, i did open a tab to that link :)
[01:17] <BluesKaj> intelikey, his pc is very similar to mine , so i thought I'd risk it. :)
[01:17] <ubuntu> I'll try that blueskaj
[01:18] <^TheCrono> when KDe loads, the second line in the list of [OK] gives an error, but i cannot read it as it happens to fast
[01:18] <^TheCrono> on the prompt
[01:18] <Creationist> When trying to play a DVD, I keep getting errors saying "Could not read NAV packet."  What do I need to do to REfix this?   This is yet another example of something that worked one day and not the next.... grr.
[01:19] <BluesKaj> ^TheCrono, are on live cd ?
[01:19] <^TheCrono> no
[01:19] <intelikey> ^TheCrono you might still read it at    ctrl
[01:19] <^TheCrono> at what?
[01:19] <intelikey> at ctrl+alt+f8
[01:19] <^TheCrono> let me try that
[01:20] <gtt> ok
[01:20] <intelikey> ^TheCrono also dmesg may have the error message
[01:21] <basy> whitch ssh server is good for kubuntu? openssh-server?
[01:21] <intelikey> yes
[01:21] <basy>  <intelikey> "yes" for me?
[01:21] <intelikey> yes
[01:21] <basy> :P
[01:22] <^TheCrono> ctrl alt f8 took me to a blank screen
[01:22] <^TheCrono> with a blinking line
[01:22] <intelikey> hmm blank?   ok.  anyway   dmesg may still have the error message
[01:22] <^TheCrono> dmesg?
[01:23] <intelikey> yes it's a command
[01:23] <^TheCrono> jsut type dmesg
[01:23] <^TheCrono> ?
[01:23] <intelikey> you can filter the output if you like      dmesg | less
[01:23] <^TheCrono> um?
[01:23] <^TheCrono> type dmeg | less?
[01:23] <intelikey> yes
[01:23] <^TheCrono> dmesg
[01:23] <^TheCrono> ok
[01:24] <gtt> i'm planning on reinstalling a server for my home. it's mostly file sharing, media streaming, printer services, but I do like setting up ssh and X11 forwarding... was wondering if there was some wonderful service i was overlooking so that i can add it to my plan. i've been through a couple of books, but i've noticed some things they didnt consider too.
[01:24] <intelikey> ^TheCrono you do know how to switch tty's   don't you ?    ctrl+alt+f#    the gui is generally in tty7
[01:25] <intelikey> console == tty
[01:25] <^TheCrono> tty's?  H <--see that letter h?..it knows more about  unix than i do ::D
[01:25] <^TheCrono> can't i jsut install ubuntu 5.10 and update and get kde?
[01:25] <^TheCrono> i know ubuntu 5.10 works
[01:25] <ubuntu> what is a 'shell'? .. the command list?
[01:26] <sn00zer> can somebody please help me with vnc? I have realvnc on my xp box and when i try to connect from my ubuntu box it says x connection broken
[01:26] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: that'd take a LONG time :)
[01:26] <intelikey> ubuntu a shell is a command intrupreter   like the ms command.com
[01:26] <intelikey> well sorta like
[01:26] <intelikey> well really not much like  but far better.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> lol
[01:27] <ubuntu> can't I type a command in konquerer?
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> nope
[01:27] <^TheCrono> why would it take a long time?
[01:27] <biovore> konqueror isn't a shell
[01:27] <ubuntu> ok lol
[01:27] <intelikey> ubuntu with the terminal eumlator feature of konq   yes.
[01:27] <nosrednaekim> ^TheCrono: because you would have to go through 4 versions to get to gutsy
[01:27] <^TheCrono> i'm nto sure it installed..i click install..it laods the kernal..kubuntu sign comes up with a blue bar..then  a command prompt
[01:28] <biovore> yeah.. not installed
[01:28] <^TheCrono> nothing else happens
[01:28] <^TheCrono> maby that is the problem?
[01:28] <ubuntu> ah ok intelikey, I knew I heard something like that before
[01:29] <intelikey> ubuntu you can look in the konq menus and enable the "terminal emulator" if you like.
[01:29]  * intelikey recons it's still there...
[01:29] <biovore> alt-f2 -- konsole :-P
[01:30] <intelikey> biovore doesn't kde have a default hot key to open a terminal too
[01:30] <^TheCrono> so is there a command i can use to install kbuntu?
[01:30] <biovore> intelikey: no clue..
[01:30] <biovore> ^TheCrono: well its more like 1000 commands if you where to atempt to do it.. probably better of with the alternate installer and manualy configure X.
[01:30] <intelikey> ^TheCrono if you have the alternate install CD   else the dvd   if neither of them. then no.
[01:31] <ubuntu> I'll see about that intelikey
[01:31] <^TheCrono> so, i need to instal ubuntu 5.10 and update?
[01:31] <intelikey> ^TheCrono does the live CD  boot and run kde for you ?
[01:31] <^TheCrono> i don't have live cd
[01:32] <intelikey> yeah you do.   http://mirrors.gigenet.com/ubuntu/kubuntu/gutsy/   that's what you said you got.
[01:33] <^TheCrono> yeah, it gives me a text based menu
[01:33] <intelikey> does it boot and run kde for you ?
[01:33] <^TheCrono> no
[01:33] <intelikey> ???
[01:33] <^TheCrono> it  goes to a menu with 5 or 7 options
[01:33]  * intelikey </blinks>
[01:33] <intelikey> one of which is install ubuntu ?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> ummm is one of those options "start or install kubuntu"
[01:33] <intelikey> one is safe graphics mode ?
[01:33] <^TheCrono> start / install kde   start kde graphics safemode thing    check memory     oem     boot form hard disk
[01:34] <mia> can some one help with this--"he APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem."
[01:34] <mia> I"M STUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> mia: did you run those?
[01:34] <intelikey> ^TheCrono ok  and you select safe graphics mode and it does what ?
[01:34] <mia> how?
[01:34] <^TheCrono> haven't tried, heh, one sec
[01:35] <intelikey> !adeptcrash | mia
[01:35] <ubotu> mia: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[01:36] <mia> got a error message - "could not run the specified command"
[01:37] <mia>  a friend and I tried all last evening to correct the problem and it hasn't been corrected.  something tells me I may have to reload everything.
[01:37] <mia> joy
[01:38] <intelikey> did you try the commands that the error message spit out ?
[01:38] <mia> yes
[01:38] <mia> nothing
[01:38] <ubuntu_> hey
[01:38] <intelikey> sudo apt-setup ;sudo apt-get update
[01:38] <ubuntu_> it worked
[01:38] <theCronoWorks> but, its running off the cd, so tis slow
[01:38] <theCronoWorks> and it gave me an error..cannot find io slave
[01:38] <intelikey> and you see the installer icon
[01:38] <mia> says "command not found"
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> @me intel?
[01:39] <intelikey> yes theCronoWorks
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> where would this icon be? desktop?
[01:39] <intelikey> desktop
[01:39] <theCronoWorks> got it
[01:39] <mia> also "E: Line 2 too long in source list/etc/apt/sources.list"
[01:39] <intelikey> good luck with it. theCronoWorks
[01:40] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:40] <intelikey> mia then you obviously have an error there.   lets see about rebuilding the sources.list file shall we ?
[01:40] <theCronoWorks> i'll be here to asks another question in 5 minutes don't worry
[01:40] <intelikey> !source-o-matic
[01:40] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:41] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:41] <intelikey> mia see ubotu above  ^
[01:42] <intelikey> raj_   ctrl+alt+plus_sign
[01:42] <mia> ubotu the website is not in english
[01:43] <theCronoWorks> in roder to make 4 partitions without reformatting them i need manual don't i?
[01:43] <theCronoWorks> ok, heres the scary part
[01:43] <intelikey> raj_ see if it's just a wac rez   if so you can edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf and fix it.  if not i'd sujest reconfiguring the thing.   maybe even use the vesa driver to trouble shoot.
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> theCronoWorks: yes
[01:44] <mia> arghhhhhhhhhhhhh
[01:44] <LjL> mia, intelikey, source-o-matic is gone. use the Software Sources application
[01:44] <intelikey> LjL walk him through it.
[01:44] <genii> LjL: Gone gone forever-like?
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> i need 4 partions, 1 20GB for windows and a bit of data, 1 2gb swap file, 1 6gb ext system/linux, and 1 /home at 50gb....without loosing the stuff on the HD i have now [i have a folder i need, too big for Cd ior dvd]....can anyone walk me through this part? heh
[01:45] <LjL> genii: seems so
[01:45] <genii> Damn
[01:45] <LjL> intelikey, i'd rather walk through editing sources.list manually to be honset
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> I seiously cannot loose this file.
[01:45] <regeya> partitioning on yuour own isn't so scary theCronoWorks
[01:45] <theCronoWorks> and don't wanna screw up.
[01:45] <mia> i'm a born and bred Windows person trying to learn something new
[01:45] <mia> and I'm not having very good luck with it
[01:46] <LjL> mia, can you summarize the problem for me?
[01:46] <intelikey> theCronoWorks how big are we talking ?
[01:46] <mia> my adept doesn't work
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> 80gb hard
[01:46] <mia> I can't get into my program files
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> i posted the 4 partions
[01:46] <intelikey> no the file you "must keep"
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> oh
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> its a fodler, its like..8gb
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> all i gto are cdrws
[01:46] <theCronoWorks> so yeah
[01:47] <theCronoWorks> i need that 8gb on my /home partition
[01:47] <intelikey> ok and it's where now ?
[01:47] <LjL> mia, ok, that's not a very useful summary so i'll ask you to do some things you were probably already asked to try. close Adept, and type « sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console. pastebin the output.
[01:47] <theCronoWorks> its on my HD which is in one partition
[01:47] <raj_> intelikey thx 1 sec
[01:47] <mia> you lost me at pastebin the output
[01:47] <mia> the language is so new to me
[01:48] <intelikey> single partition will make that difficult.  if you can resize that partition down to the 20g size you are good to go  if not then we have work to do.
[01:48] <theCronoWorks> i want to resize it..but will it damage the data on it?
[01:48] <theCronoWorks> theres 50gb free on it
[01:48] <mia> "E: Invalid operation dis-update"
[01:49] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if you are asking me to promice that you or the program will neither one make a mistake.  then you have already made one.
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> the only thing i want is the windows installation and my'transfer'folder which has all the stuff i need
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> lol
[01:49] <theCronoWorks> i can survive without the data, but i want to be sure
[01:50] <theCronoWorks> if i loose it i loose it, oh wells heh
[01:50] <theCronoWorks> but id like to save if by all means
[01:50] <LjL> !pastebin | mia
[01:50] <ubotu> mia: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:50] <intelikey> theCronoWorks the partitioning step of the installer is supposed to let you resize the partition    see what it says   if it says it can.... we'll go from there   if not we'll do something else.
[01:50] <LjL> mia: dist-upgrade, not dis-upgrade. why don't you just copy and paste what i give you?
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> ok, for the windows 20 gb partitiion...it needs to be ntfs obviously..what do i point it to?
[01:51] <BluesKaj> theCronoWorks, there's no reason to lose any data on the windows partition
[01:51] <mia> ummmmmmm
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> i clicked edit partion on the main one
[01:51] <mia> I did
[01:51] <intelikey> theCronoWorks have you started the installer yet ?
[01:51] <mia> thanks for the help
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> yes, i'm at partition window
[01:51] <theCronoWorks> "prepare partitions"
[01:52] <intelikey> yes resize it   grab the end and drag it down toward the start
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> it shows two fo them..one is 79990mb and one is 8mb [wtf 8mb partition?]
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> are you serious..grab and drag?
[01:52] <BluesKaj> does the partition editor show the the data portion of the partition
[01:52] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> it has two boxes ontop
[01:52] <raj_> i installed 96xx driver on my toshiba m10 laptop and now i cant see anything on my screen ... it sis the correct driver but i cant see anything on my screen .. i tried to change the resolution on my desktop using the termina root > video .. no luck ANY HELP would be appreciated
[01:52] <raj_> no luck
[01:52] <theCronoWorks> if that's what you mean
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> oens pink one is yellow
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> one says sda1 and oen says free
[01:53] <intelikey> theCronoWorks i mean click that and say resize then in that window grab and drag  yes.
[01:53] <theCronoWorks> i can't drag it
[01:54] <jimmy51> could someone help me with some bugreport etiquette?  i've never submitted one and don't want to waste people's time or make them mad
[01:54] <theCronoWorks> Says i need to specify a partition for the root system
[01:54] <intelikey> only the end is a handle.   but also you can try the size box below it
[01:54] <theCronoWorks> no resize options or anything, jsut edit/delete
[01:54] <LjL> mia, so can you pastebin the thing?
[01:54] <andresj> Hello, does anybody know what should I install to be able to change Gnome theme? (I use a couple of GTK apps)
[01:54] <intelikey> don't delete.
[01:55] <theCronoWorks> its step 4 of 6 btw
[01:55] <intelikey> theCronoWorks take your time study all the application in front of you carefully.  familearize your self with it.   explore it.
[01:55] <theCronoWorks> ohmy
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> well, i don't think we have to worry now
[01:56] <LjL> andresj, GTK apps should normally use the GTK->Qt engine by default, therefore ideally looking just like KDE apps. try Appearence / GTK Styles in the system settings.
[01:56] <intelikey> if you have not "applied changes" dont.
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> i hit undo..whew..i accedently hit delete
[01:56] <theCronoWorks> then i hit undo and it came back
[01:56] <intelikey> it's safer than you think
[01:56] <intelikey> you can bail out
[01:57] <andresj> LjL, I use KDE4.
[01:57] <theCronoWorks> i can edit the partition..but what filesystem do i use?
[01:57] <intelikey> it hasn't actually writen anything to disk   until you tell it to apply changes
[01:57] <LjL> andresj: in that case you should probably ask in #kubuntu-kde4 (see /topic)
[01:57] <theCronoWorks> root would be ext3 correct?
[01:57] <intelikey> don't change the partition type  just resize it down
[01:58] <theCronoWorks> i can't
[01:58] <andresj> LjL, already asked :) I thought people here would know, though. As it is not a KDE4-specific issue...
[01:58] <theCronoWorks> you mean yb resizeing the boxes above the list right?
[01:58] <intelikey> theCronoWorks ok you need to back out of there and boot windows.   disable pagefile/vertual memory   and then defrag it
[01:58] <LjL> andresj, well, it can be, since KDE 3 *does* provide a KDE way to set up GTK styles.
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> hrm, how do i disable pagefile/virtual memory?
[01:59] <intelikey> theCronoWorks then you should be able to resize it
[01:59]  * intelikey does not do windows
[01:59] <LjL> theCronoWorks: why would you do that?
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> never done that before
[01:59] <theCronoWorks> intel toldme to :D
[01:59] <intelikey> LjL to resize an ntfs partition.
[01:59] <LjL> ah, the Windows swap.
[01:59] <intelikey> he needs it defraged
[02:00] <andresj> LjL, that's true :)
[02:00] <theCronoWorks> ive not defraged sence maby...1998 lol
[02:00] <LjL> intelikey: right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Resources (?), deactivate virtual memory
[02:00] <theCronoWorks> ok
[02:00] <LjL> intelikey: of course that wasn't for you
[02:00] <regeya> heh theCronoWorks
[02:00] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if none of these guys will tell you how to disable vertual memory in windows there is always  ##windows
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> heh
[02:01] <jimmy51> Well, hopefully I did this right:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/185217
[02:01] <intelikey> theCronoWorks ah see ljl
[02:01] <jimmy51> Does that look like a reasonable backport request?
[02:01] <regeya> as long as you keep a reasonable amount of free space on your volumes, fragmentation shouldn't be a big issue on any modern filesystems (including ntfs), true
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> let me see about deactivating it, then i'll try...defrag will take years
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> well,i'm using 30 out of 80 gb
[02:01] <theCronoWorks> right now
[02:01] <intelikey> theCronoWorks if you really want to save that data,  i don't know another way.
[02:02] <theCronoWorks> well, brb
[02:02] <mia> Oh I GIVE UP!
[02:02] <intelikey> and you should dump all the junk you can to make it less than 20g
[02:03] <regeya> I've got a machine at work that's running as a netatalk server (for a mixed group of Macs running everything from OS 8.6 to 10.5) and I'm running into tail fragmentation issues...I have to leave tail packing on on reiser, though, because resource forks are saved in a separate file; when I went ext3 -> reiser3, I recovered 20GB of space, it's true.
[02:03] <LjL> jimmy51, the steps to follow for a backports request are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#head-37a793d5ee480081f1c9f19e07fcdcdae5e6a9ed
[02:05] <^theCronoAFK> where was it again?
[02:05] <intelikey> LjL <^theCronoAFK> where was it again?
 intelikey: right click on My Computer, Properties, Advanced, Resources (?), deactivate virtual memory  <<<< that i think.
[02:07] <intelikey> but my log file is way too big.  8m of irc log is too much
[02:07] <LjL> 8MB? mwahah
[02:07] <^theCronoAFK> don't have resources :D..winxp[
[02:07] <^theCronoAFK> i have an 18mb log file btw
[02:07] <intelikey> LjL i don't log over a weak at a time
[02:07] <LjL> ^theCronoAFK: well then it's called something else. that's why i put a question mark there. there are three buttons - it's one of those three.
[02:08] <LjL> @ljlhead:~/.muh$ du -h       2.1G    .
[02:08] <^theCronoAFK> under virtual memory.. 'no paging file' should be it right?
[02:08] <intelikey> yep
[02:08] <intelikey> it should warn you that it's a bad idea.  :)
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> it didn't lol
[02:09] <intelikey> the only time i had to play with that it did...
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> defrag might take awhile
[02:09] <^theCronoAFK> think defrag is nessicary?
[02:09] <intelikey> it probably will.  but someone will still be here.
[02:10] <intelikey> yes it is absolutely nessicary
[02:10] <intelikey> that's why you couldn't resize it while ago
[02:10] <^theCronoAFK> well,its been a minute..still at 1%..how long will you guys be around? lol
[02:11]  * intelikey awaits the 325 answers to that......
[02:11] <^theCronoAFK> i wonder if it would be faster to burn my files onto a cd then reformat
[02:11] <intelikey> possably.
[02:11] <^theCronoAFK> time to pick and choose what i REEEALY want
[02:11] <intelikey> thought you didn't have the disks for that ?
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> i do, but it would be like 12 disks lol
[02:12]  * intelikey scrolls up.... if this guy proves to be a liar he's on his own.
[02:12] <ubuntu> Does kubuntu use Hg?
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[02:12] <^theCronoAFK> i got like...7-8 cds
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> the fiels are about 8.5gb
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> disks are 700mb
[02:13] <trophyhead> hi all : )  I recently bought a 2.0 usb card, just wondering how do I know if its working?, my webcams cheap so didnt seem to improve resolution,any help greatly appreciated : )   also is there a defrag or cleanup disk program in kubuntu?
[02:13] <^theCronoAFK> thouhg, defrag just jumped to 3%
[02:14] <^theCronoAFK> i don'tthink defrag stays at a constant speed, after the first 30% it may fly to 100
[02:15] <intelikey> trophyhead why not just use the one in windows ?
[02:16] <intelikey> trophyhead you were talking about defragging a windows file system weren't you ?
[02:16] <trophyhead> is it included in the kubuntu package?
[02:18] <intelikey> !defrag
[02:18] <ubotu> The default Ubuntu filesystem (ext3) is engineered to avoid fragmentation issues in most cases, see http://linkpot.net/behead/ for a simple example on how it achieves this. A package "defrag" is available in !Universe, however its use is not safe, and is generally not needed.
[02:18] <intelikey> trophyhead ^
[02:18] <intelikey> !virus | trophyhead see this one too
[02:18] <ubotu> trophyhead see this one too: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:21] <trophyhead> ok so I take it with kubuntu files dont pile up over time, good, just thought my puter would get slower & slower, filled with stuff I browsed at & deleted, thx : )
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> hrm,2.9gb music
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> and most of it is my own
[02:21] <^theCronoAFK> 2gb of it probably...i need that
[02:21] <intelikey> trophyhead welcome
[02:22] <^theCronoAFK> what os or environment has it where there is no bar on the bottom but 5 orbs on top of the screen?
[02:22] <^theCronoAFK> i seen that and thought it look kinda cool
[02:23] <^theCronoAFK> but dujnno what os/environment it was, i am sure it was linux though
[02:23] <intelikey> sounds like a theme
[02:23] <steveny> hello! can someone take a peek at my USB problem please....I would love to have my mouse and such http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53111/
[02:23] <regeya> ^theCronoAFK: link?
[02:23] <^theCronoAFK> hrm, let me look
[02:26] <intelikey> steveny looks like you have a 1.1 and a 2.0 hub there.   what exactly is not working ?
[02:26] <^theCronoAFK> can'tfind it anymore
[02:27] <ubuntu_> Hey, can anyone help me?
[02:27] <regeya> wow, steveny, that sounds a lot mroe serious than my wife's acpi fan problem...hey, are you gobucks747?
[02:27] <Dr_willis> depends on the problem ubuntu_
[02:27] <Dr_willis> You might wnt to pick a better nick also ubuntu_
[02:27] <intelikey> ubuntu_ yes.   it's down the hall on the left,   and please flush when finished
[02:28] <ubuntu_> Well, I have two problems. One, my kde panel has vanished permenently. So, I deleted the .kde config folder in my home directory. Now, I cant even log in becauase of an error about a dcon server or something isn't working.
[02:29] <regeya> yyeah...steveny, it looks like your usb ports are detected!
[02:29] <regeya> dcom...
[02:29] <steveny> well....I was....a few installs ago:(
[02:29] <^theCronoAFK> does KDE have any drastic gui changes/themes?
[02:29] <ubuntu_> My second problem is that the 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' command, says X cant detect my ati card.
[02:29] <ubuntu_> And no, all i did was change the background
[02:30] <regeya> heh steveny
[02:30] <regeya> :-(
[02:30] <ubuntu_> and installed that overhead command line thingy, like yakuaga or something.
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> it would be nice to use somethign that doesn't have a button in the bottom left with a popup menu
[02:31] <ubuntu_> So?
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> like, have the start vbutton in the dead center of the screen...and tis all red and says 'start'
[02:31] <steveny> once my usb ports see my stuff, I'll be a happy camper:) ...but everyone seems to be stumped:(
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> and a orbit menu comes out
[02:31] <^theCronoAFK> like in nwn
[02:31] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK you can change that.   or use something else.   i like blackbox personally   with no bars
[02:31] <Dragnslcr> ^theCronoAFK- you can move the KMenu to anywhere you like in the taskbar
[02:32] <ubuntu_> So, am I just sol then?
[02:32] <^theCronoAFK> yeah i know that, but orbit menus would be cool nonetheless
[02:32] <intelikey> Dragnslcr or remove it.
[02:33] <intelikey> have the middle click do something besides paste... like display the menu
[02:33] <ubuntu_> Ack, can anyone help me or not? :P
[02:34] <intelikey> ubuntu_   alt+f2   type in "kicker"
[02:34] <ubuntu_> okay? Thats it?
[02:34] <^theCronoAFK> start emnu as the middle button?..nice
[02:34] <^theCronoAFK> menu*
[02:34] <intelikey> ubuntu_ i can point you at the bot like   but that's all i can do with ati.   you could use vesa until you get ati streightened out.
[02:35] <^theCronoAFK> i like when people get on my pc to..you know..rbowse or something, and they are like 'o,O'
[02:35] <intelikey> !ati | ubuntu_
[02:35] <ubotu> ubuntu_: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:35] <ubuntu_> al right, well thanks anyway.
[02:35] <^theCronoAFK> but it seems at kde-look..its all the same layout..just diffrent colors and pictures
[02:35] <intelikey> but the kicker is the easy one.  ubuntu_
[02:36] <ubuntu_> Ooh, before I forget, does anyone have any reccomendations for a FPS?
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> half-life 2
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> doom 2
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> unreal
[02:36] <ubuntu_> I was thinking specifically for linux, but thanks.
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> allof thsoe work on linux
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> half-life 2 runs perfectly on wine
[02:36] <^theCronoAFK> unreal has a linux install iirc
[02:37] <ubuntu_> Without wine, and something not from unreal. I have plently of iwndows games and I own all the UT
[02:37] <^theCronoAFK> install;er*
[02:37] <trophyhead> <--has a simple usb issue, I bought & installed a 2.0 card, I know it's working when cam is ok, but how do I find out if the system didn't read them as just extra usb ports, (1.0)'s
[02:37] <^theCronoAFK> i used to map for unreal,also, you can get doom 2 and use a linux port, zdeeom is linux i believe
[02:37] <intelikey> !tome
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <intelikey> !game
[02:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:37] <intelikey> they keep removing useful information
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> i thinkw ere supposed to be in #kubuntu-offtopic though
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> ever played never winter nights intel?
[02:38] <intelikey> not a gamer
[02:38] <^theCronoAFK> oh ok
[02:38] <intelikey> short answer, no.
[02:39] <moparisthebest> kmix shows 2 audio devices, how do I set one to default?
[02:39] <^theCronoAFK> they had a nice menu system..you would right click, an a ring would appear around your mouse with diffrent things, and you would click on an item in the ring and it would replace the old one with a new one
[02:39] <Taggnostr> do I have to do something in the shell in order to see the cd? mount or things like that?
[02:39] <^theCronoAFK> i wonder if that can be done in kubuntu
[02:39] <intelikey> and the few games i have played are stratagy turn based   i like to think,  not fight.
[02:40] <moparisthebest> Taggnostr, an icon should appear on your desktop when you put a cd in
[02:40] <^theCronoAFK> wesnoth?
[02:40] <intelikey> yeah   it has potential.  but needs writers
[02:40] <trophyhead> i just play the ones that came with kubuntu (tremulos, sauerbraten..etc....
[02:40] <Taggnostr> moparisthebest actually x doesn't work, I've to copy some file from the cd but I don't know how can access it
[02:40] <intelikey> too one dimentional really
[02:40] <moparisthebest> oh, in that case use mount Taggnostr
[02:40] <^theCronoAFK> i play snes and 64 emulators alot recently
[02:41] <Taggnostr> what is the syntax?
[02:41] <^theCronoAFK> and i will soon get simcity 4
[02:41] <moparisthebest> Taggnostr, mount myiso.iso /mnt/iso/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0
[02:41] <moparisthebest> make sure /mnt/iso is a directory
[02:41] <moparisthebest> you can mount it to whatever directory you like
[02:41] <intelikey> Taggnostr    sudo mount <device> <mountpoint>
[02:41] <Taggnostr> could I mount in /tmp too?
[02:41] <^theCronoAFK> defrag is at 5% compression at 28...i'll prolly jsut reformat everything
[02:42] <moparisthebest> I don't see why, its not going to take up harddrive space or anything
[02:42] <^theCronoAFK> alot of the stuff i am saving..i already have
[02:42] <^theCronoAFK> on cd
[02:42] <intelikey> Taggnostr you can find the device with either of    sudo fdisk -l    or  cat /proc/partitions      and the mountpoint is an empty dir   normally /mnt
[02:42] <moparisthebest> but /tmp may have things, so you would probably have to mount it in a folder in temp
[02:42] <intelikey> you can make a dir if needed.
[02:43] <intelikey> Taggnostr you can mount to any dir  and if you mount to /tmp what ever you mount there may aquire some odd temporary files....
[02:43] <intelikey> i sujest using  /mnt  that's what it's for
[02:43] <Taggnostr> I just want to avoid to create and then delete a folder
[02:43] <Taggnostr> ok
[02:44] <Taggnostr> so sudo mount my.iso /mnt ?
[02:44] <genii> mount -o loop isoname.iso /mountplace
[02:44] <intelikey> yes   but if it's an iso you'll need to add an argument.   -o loop
[02:45] <Taggnostr> uhm it can't find the iso
[02:46] <intelikey> find / -iname *.iso
[02:46] <Taggnostr> I'm in a virtual machine, the iso should be the one with the guest additions
[02:50] <Taggnostr> is there a way to find it?
[02:50] <ubuntu_> hola
[02:52] <intelikey> Taggnostr  ^
[02:52] <Taggnostr> with find I can't find it
[02:53] <Taggnostr> is there a way to stop it while it shows the result?
[02:53] <intelikey> is there a way to make dosemu not mess on the asc2 charset ?
[02:53] <intelikey> Taggnostr ?  pipe it through less
[02:53] <intelikey>          | less
[02:54] <Taggnostr> it seems the same
[02:54] <moparisthebest> is it because you get no results?
[02:55] <Taggnostr> I get find: ....: Permission denied for about 2/3 pages
[02:55] <Taggnostr> and I can't see any *.iso
[02:55] <intelikey> example of the dosemu issue    "#"  should have been a dubble vertical
[02:56] <intelikey> Taggnostr sudo it and the errors will go away  but that's not likely to help.  cause if it didn't find it then it probably isn't there.
[02:57] <Taggnostr> with sudo nothing appears
[02:57] <intelikey> and "I"  should have been the single virtical
[02:57] <intelikey> Taggnostr that's what i said.
[02:57] <Taggnostr> uhm
[02:58] <intelikey> mount your other file system where you can access it  then find the iso and copy it or just mount it in place...
[02:59] <Taggnostr> the problem is that I'm inside the virtual machine
[02:59] <intelikey> and the fs is not accessable to you ?
[02:59]  * intelikey confesses ignorance of mvware
[02:59] <intelikey> vmware even
[03:00] <Taggnostr> I mount the guest additions from the menu of the vm, I don't know if and where there is a file with the additions and how can I put them inside the vm
[03:01] <intelikey> i would install vmware  but it would taint my kernel and break my gpl...
[03:01]  * BluesKaj suggests dual booting ...vmware is a PITA mostly
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> what is vmware?
[03:02] <Taggnostr> I'm using vbox actually
[03:02] <intelikey> virtual machine ware
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !vmware
[03:02] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player", not available for Gutsy, only Feisty and Edgy), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. Instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> what is virtual machine?
[03:02] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:03] <BluesKaj> sacktime ..nite folks
[03:04] <intelikey> anyone use   isdnvbox ?
[03:04] <intelikey> or any answering machine in linux for that matter ?
[03:05] <^theCronoAFK> you mean like a phone answering machine?
[03:05] <intelikey> yes
[03:05] <^theCronoAFK> lol no
[03:05]  * intelikey didn't expect that ^theCronoAFK did...
[03:06] <moparisthebest> how would I configure what device the keyboard volume buttons control?
[03:06] <moparisthebest> it shows up as muting, or turning up or down, but the volume doesnt change
[03:07] <intelikey> !mediakeys | moparisthebest
[03:07] <ubotu> moparisthebest: keyboard shortcuts can be set in K -> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse. Try also "Input Actions" in KControl. If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[03:07] <Taggnostr> I've found the problem
[03:07] <^theCronoAFK> why is it Kcontrol and not just Kontrol?
[03:07] <Taggnostr> vbox mount the iso as a cdrom so mount /cdrom /mnt is enough
[03:08] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK because it's not system configuration tool it's kde configuration tool  thus k control
[03:10] <don_> can I run ati 3d drivers on ubuntu?
[03:10] <moparisthebest> yes
[03:10] <intelikey> !nv | don
[03:10] <ubotu> don: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:10] <don_> I thought so
[03:10] <don_> thanks
[03:12] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK the gnome counter part is   gnome control center     why gnome    same reason.
[03:14] <moparisthebest> intelikey, about the mediakeys thing, I looked in all of those places and nothing is set, however some program is listening for those keys because it says things like 'mute on' and 'mute off'
[03:14] <moparisthebest> so how do I know what is causing that?
[03:15] <intelikey> moparisthebest got me.   khotkeys maybe ?
[03:15] <moparisthebest> it was already set up from the base install :/
[03:15]  * intelikey has 101key  so can't test.
[03:16] <moparisthebest> if I remember right, it worked in feisty and broke on the upgrade...
[03:16] <intelikey> moparisthebest ummm yeah look in the /etc/init.d/ dir and see about laptop_mode or laptopkeys  or something
[03:16] <moparisthebest> but ill see what happens :)
[03:16] <moparisthebest> ok
[03:17] <intelikey> i do recall a script that setup some keys there
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> OH
[03:17] <moparisthebest> there is a laptop_mode, ill have a look
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> the 6gb ext system/linux is for linux
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> and the 50gb partition is for data
[03:17] <^theCronoAFK> keep the OS diffrent from the data
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> what file system do i need for the linux parition and the data partuition?
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> est 3 on both?
[03:18] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK yeah   and the data is mounted on /home and is ext3 fs
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> ext3
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> both are ext3?
[03:18] <intelikey> both ext3 yes
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> what do the point to?
[03:18] <^theCronoAFK> there was a point to option
[03:19] <^theCronoAFK> when editing a partition
[03:19] <intelikey> got me.  i don't recall a "point to" option
[03:19] <^theCronoAFK> i'ma leave the 20gb parition free for no, only if i need to install windows will i use it
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> there is two options in the edit menu
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> only
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> 2
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> one says 'for: and one says 'point to:
[03:20] <^theCronoAFK> under for: it says ext3 ext 2 etc etc
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> under point to it said i think /mac /windows /home
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> or something
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> music is done compressing :D..that's the bulk i think of it
[03:21] <intelikey> heh  ok  the "for" is the file system type  and the "point to"   is the mount point.   so ext3  home
[03:21] <intelikey> that's the 50g
[03:21] <^theCronoAFK> both are ext3 home?
[03:22] <david> whats the konsole code for installing the latest version of Pidgin?
[03:22] <intelikey> ext3 / is the smaller system fs
[03:22] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not both /home  but both ext3  one is / the other /home
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> hrm 716,000kb won't fit on a 700mb disk will it?
[03:23]  * intelikey wonders who wrote ubiquity
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> 716,800kb*
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> i think i may jsut dleete the music also, lol
[03:23] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not without over burning and that's not always a good idea
[03:23] <^theCronoAFK> well, i told winrar to put them into 700mb cd parts
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> it gave me 4 files, 3 are 716.800kb
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> the other is 600 something'
[03:24] <^theCronoAFK> 337mb actually
[03:24]  * intelikey wonders why you didn't just put the mp3 on disk  rather than rar'ing them
[03:25] <intelikey> mp3 is already compressed
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> i would need mroe disks?
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> your right
[03:25] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[03:25] <moparisthebest> laptop_mode just sets up power-saving related options intelikey
[03:26] <moparisthebest> ill figure it out eventually im sure :)
[03:26] <genii> depending on how your cd manufacturer measures mb it may or may not fit. 1024*1024*700 for instance or 1024*1000*700 or just 1000*1000*700
[03:26] <intelikey> moparisthebest umm k   but one of the scripts was for keys
[03:27] <intelikey> .... /etc/init.d/keymap.sh    but there is another
[03:27] <^theCronoAFK> well, two more files to compress, then i can start the reformat process
[03:27] <intelikey> found it.   /etc/init.d/hotkey-setup
[03:28] <moparisthebest> yep, found it about 2 seconds before you did, thanks :)
[03:28] <moparisthebest> now if I can just track down what mine does
[03:29] <intelikey> i also have  /etc/init.d/winkeys.sh   but you probably don't have that one.
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> the fiels fit exactly onto the cd
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> burnign and compressing at the same time..compressing twice actually
[03:29] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[03:33] <intelikey> echo 'keycode 125 = Decr_Console' | loadkeys # the [l-logo] key to decrease
[03:33] <ubuntu> omg I hear sounds!
[03:33] <intelikey> is there a ringing in your ear ?
[03:33] <^theCronoAFK> Lol
[03:33] <ubuntu> gosh I hope its not my ears
[03:33] <intelikey> :)
[03:34] <ubuntu> i'm hoping its my laptop :)
[03:34] <intelikey> break glass and you'll know
[03:34] <intelikey> :)
[03:34] <user121> hay anyone had any trouble installing apps lately?
[03:34] <^theCronoAFK> So in essence, after i get kubuntu installed, via graphical safemode..how do i fix it to work in normal mode?
[03:35] <ubuntu> I dont want to get cut thx :P
[03:35] <user121> I am new to KDE and everytime I try to install something or update I get an error message about thing being broken
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> what are you trying to install?
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> windows programs?
[03:35] <user121> anything at this point.   like the KDE themem manager
[03:35] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:35] <user121> no, not windows apps
[03:35] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK install and setup the propritary driver for your vidio card,   but use the vesa driver until you do that.
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> what error?
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> you eman restricted driver intel?
[03:36] <user121> no, I am not using restricted drivers
[03:36] <genii> user121: The exact error msg would be helpful
[03:36] <t00na> Helloes!
[03:36] <intelikey> it's only restricted because it's propritary non-free closed source.
[03:36] <^theCronoAFK> that was @ intel , user121
[03:36] <user121> error commiting changes
[03:36] <t00na> I notice via Adept that I have AppArmor installed.
[03:37] <t00na> Great!
[03:37] <t00na> But how do I use it?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> here is the next question intelikey :)
[03:37] <moparisthebest> that file sets keycodes like this
[03:37] <moparisthebest> setkeycodes	6f	$KEY_MUTE
[03:37] <^theCronoAFK> not that i really care..but..isd it legal to use restricted stuff on linux?
[03:37] <moparisthebest> but I need to know what handles $KEY_MUTE
[03:37] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: what kind of restricted stuff?
[03:37] <t00na> Like, drivers?
[03:38] <intelikey> user121 konsole command# sudo apt-get install -f
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> yeah, liek ati/mp3 drivers
[03:38] <moparisthebest> its legal ^theCronoAFK, unless you are in the USA and try to play a DVD :rolleyes:
[03:38] <t00na> ATI drivers are perfectly legal.
[03:38] <t00na> MP3's are where it gets tricky.
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> i have a dvd player, then again, what do i care about what'slegal or not heh
[03:38] <t00na> Nobody was ever sentenced to anything for DVD's and MP3 codecs...
[03:38] <user121> intelikey: why should I have to use apt  what is wrong with the other packet managers?
[03:38] <^theCronoAFK> of course toona
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> user121 nothing is better and more compatiable than apt
[03:39] <t00na> One of the kids behind libdvdcss was arrested, but never trialed
[03:39] <intelikey> user121 do you want some one else to help you ?
[03:39] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: You should be okay.
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> apt-get is the best way to install anything
[03:39] <user121> intelikey: no, just asking what the difference between the two
[03:39] <moparisthebest> t00na, but dvdcss was declared illegal in the USA
[03:39] <^theCronoAFK> t00na..i use bitorrent on a daily basis..i'm not very worried..jsut curious
[03:40] <intelikey> user121 none really, that i care about.  use aptitude in place of apt if you liek
[03:40] <intelikey> like
[03:40] <moparisthebest> bittorrent is perfectly legal as well
[03:40] <t00na> moparisthebest: It's just a trade secret that was legally figured out.
[03:40] <^theCronoAFK> 90% of the uses it goes through are not
[03:40] <intelikey> user121 but do use the konsole and not the gui app
[03:40] <intelikey> we meed the error messages if any
[03:40] <^theCronoAFK> apt-get made things so much easyer
[03:40] <moparisthebest> t00na, it was more reverse engineered, and the judge ruled something stupid like 'you bought it with encryption so now you can't remove it'
[03:41] <user121> I typically use GUI, but and not scared of a console
[03:41] <^theCronoAFK> if someone buys something, it should be illegal for the sell to place a condition on its use
[03:41] <^theCronoAFK> seller*
[03:41] <intelikey> console != konsole
[03:42] <moparisthebest> then you get into things like microsoft, where you just 'buy' a license to use the software, not the actual software itself ^theCronoAFK ;)
[03:42] <^theCronoAFK> bitorrent sells me all ym software
[03:42] <t00na> It's your DVD. You should be able to do whatever you want with it.
[03:42] <^theCronoAFK> its a rgeat software distributor
[03:42] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK copyright should be illegal
[03:42] <t00na> You bought it, and you aren't costing them anything by using libdvdcss with it.
[03:42] <^theCronoAFK> yeah, that's why all my music is creative commons
[03:43] <t00na> It all comes down to what is right.
[03:43] <moparisthebest> t00na, I agree with you fully, but that stupid judge doesnt
[03:43] <^theCronoAFK> so are any images i take
[03:43] <t00na> That stupid judge ain't gonna catch you.
[03:43] <user121> intelikey:  lol I was under the impression Konsole = typicall shell.  I guss I will look the difference up at some point
[03:43] <moparisthebest> I live in the USA, and have dvdcss installed, but it is illegal currently
[03:43] <t00na> Stupid judge doesn't have tabs on the world.
[03:43] <^theCronoAFK> no one is really unless your gettign too big on the net for somethign illegal
[03:43] <^theCronoAFK> just use an anon proxy if you want to be safe
[03:43] <t00na> I think it's unconstitutional for it to be declared illegal.
[03:44] <moparisthebest> hopefully it does get put down in the future
[03:44] <^theCronoAFK> and don't downlaod nicenewmovie..2 days after nicenewmovie is released
[03:44] <moparisthebest> I think it will eventually
[03:44] <t00na> How about this: I make a company that sells TV dinners.
[03:44] <t00na> But in the EULA of that TV dinner, you can only use my partner company's brand of microwave to cook it.
[03:44] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[03:44] <t00na> If you use any other microwave, i'll send the cops to bonk you on the head.
[03:45] <intelikey> user121 konsole is a terminal emulator  like  gnome terminal   and xterm   console is the linux vertual terminal   you can access the console with alt+ctrl+f# where # is 1-7 and 7 being the console that xorg is running in.
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> i wuld say ef you and your company, and use the tv dinner in another microwave
[03:45] <moparisthebest> sounds like a very microsoft thing to do t00na :)
[03:45] <moparisthebest> Microsoft TV Dinners
[03:45] <t00na> ^theCronoAFK: then go ahead and use dvdcss to your heart's content.
[03:45] <t00na> moparisthebest: they run Windows CE. :D
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> but,i have a real hardware dvsd player..so lol
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> dvd*
[03:45] <^theCronoAFK> connected to my TV
[03:46] <Airforce5555> moparisthebest: interesting name....
[03:46] <t00na> I'm too lazy to use a real DVD player.
[03:46] <moparisthebest> hardware DVD players are legal because they paid royalties to decrypt the DVD
[03:46] <^theCronoAFK> and the only reason i use mp3 is because ogg isn't accepted on music sites most of the time
[03:46] <moparisthebest> Airforce5555, thanks, are you one of the few who knows what a mopar is? :)
[03:46] <^theCronoAFK> liek i can't put ogg on my myspace page
[03:46] <t00na> just like that microwave that heats up my TV dinners.
[03:46] <t00na> they paid royalties to me.
[03:47] <Airforce5555> act, im not exactly sure what a mopar is. It just reminded me of a mmorpg private server XD
[03:47] <moparisthebest> hehe, moparscape.org? it's mine :P
[03:47] <Airforce5555> is it?
[03:47] <t00na> anyway, back to my question
[03:47] <Airforce5555> it is*
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> is it a wow server?
[03:47] <regeya> mopar?  as in dodge?
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> just curious
[03:47] <Airforce5555> runescape
[03:47] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[03:47] <moparisthebest> but no, mopar stands for dodge, chrysler plymouth and jeep, car companies :)
[03:47] <Airforce5555> lol
[03:48] <^theCronoAFK> they need a good open source mmorpg
[03:48] <t00na> I found that I have AppArmor preinstalled on my Kubuntu
[03:48] <t00na> how do I use it?
[03:48] <Airforce5555> so no affiliation with moparscape?
[03:48] <moparisthebest> ^theCronoAFK, there is planeshift
[03:48] <regeya> vroom vroom
[03:48] <user121> user121: i see.  does apt-get have a way to browse all the apps listed in the repos?  Other than using a GUI?
[03:48] <^theCronoAFK> didn'tlikepl;aneshift very much though lol
[03:48] <moparisthebest> nope Airforce5555, I made that nick years ago because they are my favorite cars :)
[03:48] <Airforce5555> lol
[03:48] <user121> user121:  lol i mean simiar to the way adapt or symantic do
[03:48] <t00na> helloes????
[03:48]  * intelikey thought that mopar was as widely known as delco  or fomoco
[03:49] <moparisthebest> ^theCronoAFK, we kinda 'made' runescape open source ;)
[03:49] <moparisthebest> no, not nearly as widely known it seems intelikey
[03:49] <moparisthebest> only seems like older guys know what it means
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> who's never heard of mopar?
[03:49] <user121> Daisuke_Ido: not me
[03:49] <intelikey> you calling me old ?
[03:50]  * Airforce5555 raises his hand
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> of course, i'm probably about the middle of the age scale around here
[03:50]  * Airforce5555 is not old though =\
[03:50] <regeya> intelikey: mopar is chrysler, delco is gm
[03:50] <moparisthebest> i'm 22, and most people my age don't recognize the name :/
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> k, i'm 28, which explains a little bit
[03:50] <moparisthebest> so maybe I am calling you old? :)
[03:50] <Airforce5555> I am a honda person...
[03:50] <intelikey> regeya and fomoco is ford moter company
[03:50] <moparisthebest> ew, honda
[03:51] <Airforce5555> honda and toyota
[03:51] <Airforce5555> nothign beats reliability!!!
[03:51]  * moparisthebest gags
[03:51] <regeya> intelikey: sorry, I misread your statement
[03:51] <Adlai> what are my chances of getting ion3 to 'work' with kde (in terms of having kicker display and play nice and whatnot) ?
[03:51]  * Daisuke_Ido hugs his clown car
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> Adlai: that depends: what's ion3
[03:51] <intelikey> :)
[03:51] <Adlai> Daisuke_Ido: one of those sexy tiling window managers
[03:51] <bascule> !info ion3
[03:51] <ubotu> ion3 (source: ion3): keyboard-friendly window manager with tiled windows. In component multiverse, is extra. Version 20070506-2 (gutsy), package size 1592 kB, installed size 4084 kB
[03:52] <t00na> Can anyone help me?
[03:52] <moparisthebest> so, like a super-bloated wmii?
[03:52] <t00na> How do I use AppArmor on Gutsy?
[03:52] <bascule> one of those light ones like ratpoison or such
[03:52] <Adlai> moparisthebest: no, it's very light weight, although I suppose running kde underneath would make it super-bloated
[03:52] <intelikey> t00na does it have a man page ?
[03:52] <moparisthebest> thats what I meant
[03:52] <bascule> people use them cause they like key-shortcuts in there text editors left well alone :)
[03:53] <user121> ok.... according to apt  kdm theme is already installed, yet I do not see it in my menu.  any thoughts?
[03:53] <intelikey> i don't even know what apparmor is
[03:53] <t00na> intelikey: nope
[03:53] <bascule> !apparmor
[03:53] <ubotu> For information about the AppArmor security framework employed in Ubuntu (since Gutsy Gibbon), see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AppArmor
[03:53] <bascule> the bot knows all :)
[03:53] <moparisthebest> I dont know what apparmor is either, at least for the next few minutes :)
[03:53] <intelikey> user121 ummm logout sense you instaled it ?
[03:54] <user121> intelikey: ok ill give that a shot
[03:55] <intelikey> just thinking that kde might not be able to detect the new themes unless you restart it...  there shoud be a buildsycoco for the menu though
[03:56] <user121> intelikey: yeah, still nothing.  Do you know which menu item it would appear under?
[03:57] <intelikey> no i don't    LjL might
[03:58] <Daisuke_Ido> it's probably not in the kmenu - afaik it's available in kcontrol
[03:58] <intelikey> i'm afraid i'm not much help on gui things.    i haven't started xorg today.    and only one time in the last weak.
[03:58] <intelikey> Daisuke_Ido to the rescue
[03:59] <intelikey> kcontrol sounds right.
[03:59] <user121> Daisuke_Ido: ahh, that would expalin it then
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> intelikey: the finny thing?  i haven't used kde since about two days after gutsy's release
[03:59] <intelikey> or maybe a system settings submenu ?
[03:59] <Daisuke_Ido> funny*
[04:00] <intelikey> yes. i have kde and gnome installed  but when i do start xorg i use blackbox  heh.
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> xorg?
[04:01] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK that's the  pointy clicky thingy   that looks like windows
[04:01] <intelikey> :)
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[04:01] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, x-windows*
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> gui
[04:01] <intelikey> yep
[04:01] <^theCronoAFK> then what is kde?
[04:02] <Taggnostr> I fixed everything \o/
[04:02] <intelikey> k desktop environment
[04:02] <user121> grr all these damn "k" are confusing
[04:02] <^theCronoAFK> ?
[04:02] <Taggnostr> now that it works I've to configure everything \o/
[04:02] <user121> lol where is kcontrole?
[04:02] <intelikey> user121 alt+f2   kcontrol
[04:03] <intelikey> !kde
[04:03] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[04:03] <user121> intelikey:  ahh there we go.  thx
[04:04] <^theCronoAFK> what is the diffrence between kde and gui?
[04:04] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK xorg is the gui that kde runs in
[04:05] <^theCronoAFK> then what does kde do? lol..'desktop environment' is extremely vauge
[04:05] <intelikey> the x-window-system provides the gui   the desktop environment uses the gui and makes/moves/decorates windows in it.
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> makes it look less...blande and windowsy
[04:06] <^theCronoAFK> KDE is just a visual addon right?
[04:07] <genii> window managers are more than gust visual addons
[04:07] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK if you want to see what bare xorg is   do this sometime    sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop   then login and type   X
[04:07] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:07] <intelikey> that will put you in a bare xorg
[04:07] <^theCronoAFK> i'll get lost in mono-block land
[04:07] <intelikey> just so you'll know.
[04:08] <^theCronoAFK> is there any way to code the layout..so maby one day i could code in the feature i was talking about..with the start button?
[04:08] <intelikey> and you can ctrl+alt+backspace  to kill it then startx is a script that will put back in xorg + a desktop environment
[04:09] <^theCronoAFK> lol, can you attack sounds to events in the theme?
[04:09] <reverend_joshua> i'm trying to install nvidia drivers and when i run the kdm stop command it goes back to the black kubuntu screen with a blue bar under it
[04:09] <^theCronoAFK> attach*
[04:09] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK a way to code something in linux ?  are you kidding ?
[04:10] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:10] <^theCronoAFK> no
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> is there something i'm missing in the command sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop?
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> reverend_joshua: what's the error message?
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> no error message
[04:10] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: there are over 20 scripting/programming languages for linux
[04:10] <reverend_joshua> it just goes back to the splash screen
[04:10] <intelikey> well the short answer is   YES!  emphaticatly yes. there surely is.
[04:11] <^theCronoAFK> what si the best language to use that can drasticly change KDE gui?
[04:11] <reverend_joshua> but it doesn't do anything from there
[04:11] <^theCronoAFK> i am planning on starting to learn a language, as currently i am jobless and bored lol
[04:11] <intelikey> reverend_joshua depends on what you want it to do and if it's running ?
[04:12] <intelikey> reverend_joshua oh sorry i missed your second post
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> i figure gui is a reletivly easy thing to modify
[04:12] <intelikey> reverend_joshua yes at the splash screen use alt+f1
[04:12] <reverend_joshua> ah
[04:12] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: kde uses a gui system call QT.  KDE is written to use QT with C++
[04:12] <reverend_joshua> thanks
[04:12] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK not as easy as the cli.  but yes
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> so i ened to elarn QT/c++?
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> need to learn*
[04:12] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: but you can do QT stuff with scripting languages like python and perl as well
[04:12] <^theCronoAFK> cli?
[04:13] <intelikey> !cli
[04:13] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:13] <biovore> yes.. CLI is hthe hear of the system..
[04:13] <^theCronoAFK> hear?
[04:13] <biovore> the gui just an abstraction layer
[04:13] <biovore> ^theCronoAFK: you can't do everything in a gui..
[04:13] <^theCronoAFK> where is the best place to go to elarn to script with QT/C++, the KDE gui
[04:14] <biovore> www.trolltech.com <-- makers of QT
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> biover, i know jack abotu coding..this is jsut a start
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> learn QT before C++?
[04:14] <biovore> I start with python or introduction to c++
[04:14] <biovore> QT is a big step.. you have to know c++ first..
[04:14] <^theCronoAFK> Oh
[04:14] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: most ubuntu based devel is done with python
[04:14] <biovore> learn C++ and everything on linux falls into place..
[04:14] <MacAnthony> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Python_introduction_to_signals_and_slots
[04:14]  * intelikey skiped all that and just learned shell scripting
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> So mess with python first?
[04:15] <biovore> Python is fairly simple to get started in..
[04:15] <MacAnthony> python is easier to learn than c++, IMO
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> ive seen books on C++..oh my god
[04:15] <reverend_joshua> !nvidia
[04:15] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:15] <MacAnthony> and no compiling
[04:15] <^theCronoAFK> python doesn't need to compile?
[04:15] <MacAnthony> just write the script and run it
[04:15]  * intelikey is glad no one has pointed him to perl (gag)
[04:15] <MacAnthony> :)
[04:16] <MacAnthony> ruby?
[04:16] <intelikey> ;/
[04:16] <^theCronoAFK> what si somethign simple and unimportant in kubuntu that i can modify with python?
[04:16] <MacAnthony> I don't know much about ruby but the perl to ruby comparison keep shying me away from it
[04:16] <Taggnostr> python \o/
[04:17] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: i was just reading the pyqt tutorial Riddell gave last month
[04:17] <MacAnthony> you could start there
[04:17] <intelikey> i started to try to learn perl   went to #perl and that changed my mind about it for ever.
[04:17] <^theCronoAFK> assholes in #perl?
[04:17] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:17] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuTutorialsDay/PyKDE
[04:17] <intelikey> much worse
[04:18] <^theCronoAFK> this is why i left linux, because #ubuntu and #knoppix were all elitist aholes
[04:18] <user121> is there a way to get compiz-beryl to run on KDE?
[04:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i wasn't even going to dare going into #debian
[04:18] <Taggnostr> how do I free the adept manager? it says that someone else are using apt
[04:19] <intelikey> !adeptcrash | Taggnostr
[04:19] <ubotu> Taggnostr: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:19] <Taggnostr> I always have this problem
[04:23] <Taggnostr> before that it says that there is a distro update, how can I do it now?
[04:24] <MacAnthony> anyone know off hand if amarok can remember where is left off in a track?
[04:24] <MacAnthony> if not I'll go to #amarok
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> ask in #lad
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> or that\
[04:24] <intelikey> :() { S=1 ;echo "\n #?\c" ;until [ "$S" -gt 70 ] ;do echo "-?\b\c" ;sleep .1 ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;done ;echo "!#\b\b\b\c" ;S=1 ;until [ "$S" -gt 70 ] ;do echo "\b!=\b\b\c" ;sleep .1 ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;done ;echo "!=\b\b" ; } ; :
[04:24] <MacAnthony> not a big deal, just curious
[04:24] <^theCronoAFK> omg what langauge is that inteli?
[04:24] <intelikey> bash
[04:24] <MacAnthony> shel
[04:25] <^theCronoAFK> what do python look like?
[04:25] <user121> anyone know how to enabe compiz on kde?
[04:25] <Taggnostr> python looks like pseudocode
[04:25] <^theCronoAFK> what does that look like?
[04:25] <MacAnthony> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/kubuntu-tutorials-day/pykde/hola.py
[04:26] <intelikey> !compiz | user121
[04:26] <ubotu> user121: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> what is compiz?
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> in short
[04:27] <intelikey> eyecandy
[04:27] <user121> peacy... thx
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:27] <^theCronoAFK> any screenshots?
[04:27] <user121> or peachy even
[04:27] <MacAnthony> there are vids on youtube
[04:27] <user121> ^theCronoAFK:  there are many youtube videos
[04:27] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK no thanks.
[04:28] <^theCronoAFK> just search compiz?
[04:28] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK oh your were not offering screen shots, you were asking for them....     hehhe
[04:28] <MacAnthony> yeah
[04:28] <MacAnthony> or beryl
[04:28] <user121> night all.  thx for your help
[04:28] <intelikey> user121 come back any tiem
[04:28] <intelikey> time
[04:29] <^theCronoAFK> wow, is compiz CPU intensive?
[04:29] <MacAnthony> depends on your graphic card support
[04:29] <intelikey> some yse
[04:29] <^theCronoAFK> ati radeon x1300 should be ok for basic stuff right?
[04:30]  * intelikey repetes a tired old phrase "i wish my nvidia card was supported."
[04:30] <MacAnthony> yes if the hardware accelleration is working correctly
[04:31] <MacAnthony> I've seen modest computers handle it fairly well when setup correctly
[04:31] <^theCronoAFK> wow, that's amazing stuff
[04:31] <intelikey> modest ?
[04:32] <intelikey> MacAnthony what means modest ?
[04:32] <^theCronoAFK> lol firepaint
[04:32] <Taggnostr> how could I update the distro?
[04:32] <^theCronoAFK> wow thats ff awesome
[04:32] <MacAnthony> I mean older not so powerful computers
[04:33] <intelikey> MacAnthony example of ?
[04:33] <justin_> hi all
[04:33] <intelikey> !upgrade | Taggnostr
[04:33] <ubotu> Taggnostr: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[04:33] <^theCronoAFK> wow this is amazing, i lvoe eye candy
[04:33] <MacAnthony> a friend of mine had it working on an older thinkpad, must have been a 1ghz machine with 512m ram
[04:33] <MacAnthony> not sure the video card
[04:33] <^theCronoAFK> makes me want to do gui editing..RIGHT NOW
[04:33] <justin_> anyone got any good newbie hints
[04:34] <^theCronoAFK> for what justine?
[04:34] <intelikey> justin_ yeah. hang around in here a while
[04:34] <NickPresta> justin_, http://linuxcommand.org/
[04:34] <justin_> i am a linux noob,  i know how to do some little things but i need to know how to compile programs.  i dont have the first clue what i need
[04:35] <intelikey> !cli | justin_
[04:35] <ubotu> justin_: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[04:35] <MacAnthony> everyone in #amarok must be sleeping
[04:35] <intelikey> !b-e | justin_ this too.
[04:35] <ubotu> justin_ this too.: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[04:35] <justin_> how do i change my default internet program from konquer to firefox
[04:35] <^theCronoAFK> WOW FF..they got a window fliyng around WITH an imbedded movie playing it without frame loss
[04:35] <MacAnthony> kcontrol -> default application
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> this is so cutthroat :D
[04:36] <NickPresta> !alternatives | justin_
[04:36] <ubotu> justin_: To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[04:36] <intelikey> justin_ umm or k-menu system settings prefered apps     or something like that
[04:36] <MacAnthony> intelikey: default application
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> compiz works with KDE?
[04:36] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: yes
[04:36] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:36] <NickPresta> ^theCronoAFK, yep
[04:37] <intelikey> oh the prefered application is gnome MacAnthony ?
[04:37] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:37] <^theCronoAFK> this is the kind fo stuff i want to code
[04:37] <MacAnthony> intelikey: dunno - haven't used gnome in a while
[04:39] <^theCronoAFK> what is kiba-dock?
[04:39] <justin_> i am trying to install an app and i am using adept manager but it says it cant lock something or other b/c it is being used.  but i dont have another adept prog running??
[04:41] <sparr_> i have an animated gif.  i want to convert it to an avi.  how?
[04:41] <^theCronoAFK> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08ndKGeHeQE&feature=related
[04:41] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[04:42] <im-a-n00b> hey all. i have a question about disks and bad blocks. if the hdd has been formatted in windows as ntfs using a slow format, if i then format it in linux as ext3, do i need to check for bad blocks again?
[04:42] <MacAnthony> intelikey: what is the adept crash flag?
[04:43] <MacAnthony> !adeptcrash | justin_
[04:43] <ubotu> justin_: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[04:43] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: I wouldn't say so - bad blocks aren't terribly common
[04:44] <MacAnthony> on the other hand, it certainly wouldn't hurt either
[04:45] <intelikey> im-a-n00b yes you should,  you never want to assume that a disk is good   a check is not that slow.    mke2fs -cf /dev/<device>
[04:46] <^theCronoAFK> will i need to do that inteli?
[04:47] <^theCronoAFK> i'm going to reformat my entier drive
[04:47] <^theCronoAFK> then quad splice them
[04:47] <intelikey> MacAnthony bad blocks are quite common   it's just that "SMART" and other things such as badblocks testing when making an fs hide them from the user.
[04:47] <intelikey> they are not often seen   that doesn't mean they don't exist.
[04:47] <MacAnthony> intelikey: I'm speaking in relative terms to as they used to be
[04:48] <MacAnthony> I know how badblocks are marked
[04:48] <intelikey> MacAnthony k
[04:48] <MacAnthony> :)
[04:48] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: yeah.. i know.. but this drive when reading a particular file..... it has an error and unmounts itself (external usb drive)
[04:48] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK the installer will do that for you.
[04:48] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: ok, ill try that thanks :)
[04:48] <^theCronoAFK> ok
[04:48] <corinth> Is there any danger to enabling the backports repository?
[04:48] <^theCronoAFK> its amazingly user freindly compared to last time
[04:49] <^theCronoAFK> 5.10 was horriable..it was like trying to survive in vietnam without a gun
[04:49] <intelikey> im-a-n00b note what i just told ^theCronoAFK about that.  if you are installing   it automatically checks for bad blocks
[04:50] <justin_> how do i add the media repository so i can play mp3s
[04:50] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: thanks, but this drive is an external usb... making partitions using command line
[04:50] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ on what media player?
[04:50] <intelikey> ^theCronoAFK i must be vietnamees then   i though the installer on 5.4 was better than this ubiquity is.
[04:50] <justin_> armorok
[04:50] <^theCronoAFK> lol
[04:50] <intelikey> im-a-n00b yeah   always a good idea to check.
[04:51] <lavacano201014> do you mean streams?
[04:51] <toyo|desk> hi guys, umm I am having a bit of an issue... I have kubuntu installed and I am trying to use dolphin(the file manager) I want to always see hidden files but I cant figure out how to make it do it
[04:51]  * lavacano201014 needs to check these things
[04:51] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: ok thanks :)
[04:51] <justin_> no downloaded mp3s
[04:51] <MacAnthony> justin_: when you run amarok and try and play an mp3, it will ask you to download the needed plugins
[04:51] <justin_> i dont think i have the codec
[04:51] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ you have a collection folder, right?
[04:51] <justin_> oh ok
[04:51] <MacAnthony> should anyway
[04:51] <justin_> sweet
[04:51] <MacAnthony> did on mine
[04:51] <^theCronoAFK> !mp3
[04:51] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:51] <justin_> yea i am getting music off of another computer
[04:51] <lavacano201014> oh i thought he meant adding them to his collection list
[04:52] <lavacano201014> not trying to get them to work lol
[04:52] <corinth> !backports
[04:52] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they may go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[04:52] <lavacano201014> incidentally, what version of amarok is on the media center...?
[04:52] <justin_> i have no clue
[04:52] <im-a-n00b> intelikey: that command gives me an invalid fragment size...
[04:52] <justin_> how do i tell
[04:52] <im-a-n00b> :(
[04:52] <lavacano201014> /-justin_-\ muttering to myself
[04:53] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: how is it formatted?
[04:53] <justin_> 1.4.7
[04:53] <im-a-n00b> ext3
[04:53] <lavacano201014> but for future reference: Help -> About Amarok
[04:53] <lavacano201014> oh never mind
[04:53] <lavacano201014> you got it lol
[04:53] <MacAnthony> hmm
[04:53] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: or the command?
[04:53]  * lavacano201014 slaps himself around a bit with a small trout
[04:53] <justin_> i figured that i just wasnt thinking.  i am a medic and i have been up for about 2 days
[04:53] <MacAnthony> im-a-n00b: you answered correctly
[04:53] <MacAnthony> that was what I meant
[04:54]  * lavacano201014 gets off IRC and leaves you to talk to his bouncer :-)
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> MacAnthony: intelikey: ok the command im putting in is sudo mke2fs -jcf /dev/sdb1
[04:54] <im-a-n00b> am i missing something?
[04:54] <^theCronoAFK> do you have any conc grenades justin_?
[04:54] <justin_> no
[04:54] <^theCronoAFK> Oh shoot.
[04:54] <justin_> y?
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> It a reference to Team fortress
[04:55] <justin_> lol
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> Medics use conc grenades to fly
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> to places they shouldn't be
[04:55] <justin_> ic
[04:55] <fignew> DEMOMAN
[04:55] <toyo|desk> anyone?
[04:55] <justin_> i dont play many games.
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> Medic is undoubtable the best class in TFC
[04:55] <^theCronoAFK> it seems msot people here don't :D
[04:55] <justin_> just work and school and piddling on the computer
[04:56] <im-a-n00b> ahh... the f was meant to be capital
[04:56] <^theCronoAFK> do capitalizations matter in console commands?
[04:56] <justin_> yes
[04:56] <im-a-n00b> ^theCronoAFK: yep
[04:56] <MacAnthony> everything is case sensative, ^theCronoAFK
[04:57] <corinth> Is there a way to enable shortcuts like in the ones in Firefox for Konqueror? For example, ctrl-enter to add on .com to an address?
[04:59] <^theCronoAFK> don't brwosers do that anyways?
[04:59] <^theCronoAFK> i type in google..it goes to google.com..or ubuntu,it go there
[05:02] <intelikey> :() { S=1 ;echo -e "#-\c" ;until [ "$S" -gt 30 ] ;do echo -e "-/\b\c" ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;sleep .01 ;done ;echo -e "#\b\b\c" ;S=1 ;until [ "$S" -gt 30 ] ;do echo -e "\b\\=\b\b\c" ;S=$(($S + 1)) ;sleep .01 ;done ;echo -e "!=\b\b\c" ; } ;until false ;do : ;done # "a do nothing script for the bored."
[05:02] <^theCronoAFK> :O
[05:03] <^theCronoAFK> arn'tyou the one telling people to use copypasta?
[05:03] <intelikey> that's only one line
[05:03] <intelikey> can't flood with one line....
[05:04] <^theCronoAFK> Lol
[05:04] <^theCronoAFK> That one line has more than many paragraphs
[05:05] <^theCronoAFK> compiz plugins are almsot exclusivly written in C :/
[05:05] <Agent_bob> but i do get my modem reset pretty regularly.
[05:05] <^theCronoAFK> so i will have to do somethign for KDE
[05:06] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK you like pastebin better   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d12ad52e4
[05:07] <toyo|desk> ^theCronoAFK, do you know much about dolphin?
[05:07] <Agent_bob> need a script for pasting things?   http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d6fb91463
[05:07] <^theCronoAFK> i know nothing about dolphin
[05:07] <toyo|desk> oh
[05:07] <toyo|desk> ok
[05:08]  * toyo|desk is getting sorta annoyed with its inability to remember that I want to see hidden files
[05:08] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:08] <^theCronoAFK> why not just unhide everything?
[05:08] <^theCronoAFK> that's a shot in the dark though
[05:08] <Jucato> toyo|desk: kde3 or kde4?
[05:09] <toyo|desk> lol
[05:09] <toyo|desk> umm I think its 3.5
[05:09] <toyo|desk> let me see
[05:09] <toyo|desk> 3.5.8
[05:09] <toyo|desk> thats what it says
[05:09] <Jucato> what version of Dolphin? (Help -> About Dolphin)
[05:09] <toyo|desk> 0.9.2
[05:10] <Jucato> yep D3lphin...
[05:10] <toyo|desk> ...
[05:10] <toyo|desk> whats that mean?
[05:10] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK because you can't remove the dot from .filename  and expect the system to still find them    "why you can't `unhide everything'"
[05:10] <Jucato> !d3lphin
[05:10] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[05:11] <Jucato> toyo|desk: anyway... isn't there an option in View -> Adjust View Properties to show Hidden files by default?
[05:11] <toyo|desk> but I like dolphin....I would just like it better if it could remember what I told it
[05:11] <toyo|desk> :/
[05:11] <Jucato> (sorry I don't have dolphin right now)
[05:11] <toyo|desk> ah
[05:11] <Jucato> er.. d3lphin...
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> arn't hidden files, hidden because of a property, and not a file extension?
[05:11] <toyo|desk> umm yeah there is but it dosent keep the setting
[05:11] <toyo|desk> ^theCronoAFK, no
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[05:11] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK no
[05:11] <Jucato> ^theCronoAFK: no
[05:11] <toyo|desk> they are hidden because they have a . in front
[05:11] <^theCronoAFK> i get the point
[05:11] <Jucato> anyone for fourths? :D
[05:12] <Jucato> blame the net lag :P
[05:12] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK it's not extention. it's names that start with dot
[05:12] <toyo|desk> anyway umm
[05:12] <^theCronoAFK> oh
[05:12] <toyo|desk> so I wonder if my dolphin is just broken
[05:12] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:12] <Jucato> toyo|desk:  is there an "Apply to" "All folders" option?
[05:12] <basy> when i have some files selected in KRUSADER and i copy them to another window, i want to clear selected group afetr copy, move, etc... Where to set it plz?, I can't find id....
[05:12] <Jucato> toyo|desk: well, D3lphin, the KDE 3 clone/fork of Dolphin, is basically unfinished.. so it might not really be there at all
[05:12] <toyo|desk> Jucato, yeah I tried that but then when I change to another folder it forgets what I clicked
[05:13] <toyo|desk> :(
[05:13] <toyo|desk> damn
[05:13] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK oh yeah.  i should warn you.  forget everything you think you know about computers, and welcome to linux.
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> yeah lol
[05:13] <toyo|desk> lol
[05:13] <Jucato> lol
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> ive been on linux befiore for almsot as year
[05:13] <Jucato> (again anyone for fourths? :D)
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> ubuntu 5.10
[05:13] <Jucato> hm.. that should be almost 2 years then :)
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> it was horrible..not because of the system, but the people
[05:13] <^theCronoAFK> so i just left
[05:14] <^theCronoAFK> and got xp
[05:14] <toyo|desk> Jucato, so you think that it may just be broken in the 3.5 release?
[05:14] <Jucato> you started with the wrong *buntu :P
[05:14] <Agent_bob> Jucato :)
[05:14] <Jucato> toyo|desk: more like "not implemented" :D
[05:14] <^theCronoAFK> i rememebr going into #ubuntu..they told me to go to #debian...people in debian said use google
[05:14] <Jucato> toyo|desk: D3lphin (the one used in Kubuntu) isn't really an "official" Dolphin... it's a split
[05:14] <toyo|desk> well I consider things that are menu items that dont work broken
[05:14] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:15] <^theCronoAFK> google ffs
[05:15] <toyo|desk> oh
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I see
[05:15] <toyo|desk> well
[05:15] <toyo|desk> damn
[05:15] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK yep that what they say in #debian   just google it.  or rtfm
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I like it
[05:15] <^theCronoAFK> well, it was use google or flame him for wanting to run a windows program and not adopting the eltiest anti-micrsuck emntalilty *
[05:15] <toyo|desk> I just came to kubuntu from gentoo and gnome
[05:15] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:15] <Agent_bob> but sometimes you get a streight answer there.
[05:16] <toyo|desk> I got pissed off at stuff not working
[05:16] <^theCronoAFK> well, i consider google a last resort
[05:16] <^theCronoAFK> some condier it the first resort lol
[05:16] <MacAnthony> I go to google first cause it's faster
[05:16] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK most do.
[05:17]  * Agent_bob considers google a lost cause.
[05:17] <MacAnthony> when I know what it is I'm looking for at least
[05:17]  * ^theCronoAFK considers google and wikipedia lost causes
[05:17]  * Jucato considers Agent_bob a lost cause
[05:17]  * Jucato runs
[05:17] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:17] <^theCronoAFK> most of the time i don't know what i am lookign for
[05:17]  * Agent_bob investigates Jucato 
[05:17] <basy> howto automatic deselec selected files in krusader afer copy, move, etc. They stay selected :(
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i end up typing into google "that program that atkes the dots and does the thimng"
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> and i either get 40 trillion or 40 results
[05:18] <^theCronoAFK> like yesterday i asked someone what DLC is...they said google it...first 10 results where all diffrent
[05:19] <^theCronoAFK> and turns out none of them was it
[05:19] <Jucato> ^theCronoAFK: Google ranking
[05:19] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK oh i never have that good of a search,  the high end is right but the low end is way too high.  it's 40 trillion or none.
[05:19] <Taggnostr> how could I copy a file if I can't write in the folder?
[05:19] <^theCronoAFK> google ranking?
[05:19] <Agent_bob> Taggnostr you can't.   root can.  sudo cp blah /dest
[05:20] <Jucato> Taggnostr: depends on where you are copying it to...
[05:20] <Taggnostr> ok, thanks
[05:21]  * Agent_bob turns Jucato over to the tax assessor for a three year old tax fraud.
[05:21]  * Agent_bob runs.
[05:22] <Jucato> :D
[05:22] <Taggnostr> it worked
[05:22] <Jucato> I can legally say that I have never been eligible to pay taxes ever since.. there's no reason I would have to use fraud :P
[05:22] <Jucato> of course I could be liable for being offtopic.. that'd be a different crime :D
[05:23] <Agent_bob> :)
[05:23] <val0> question: trying to install Nvidia driver... following the instrutions from the nvidia website... "can't find libc..." shouldn't libc be installed on my machine by default?
[05:24]  * genii has a sudden urge to !ot Jucato but resists
[05:24] <toyo|desk> humm I just clicked a check box to install ati drivers
[05:24] <toyo|desk> :D
[05:24] <Agent_bob> val0 install glibc maybe ?  not sure.  but yes libc6 is installed
[05:24] <toyo|desk> that was cool as hell
[05:24] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:25] <^theCronoAFK> buttons anc checkboxes, the furute of opensource
[05:25] <^theCronoAFK> future*
[05:25] <Agent_bob> not
[05:25] <val0> Agent_bob that's what I thought... it's an obsolutely fresh install... arg
[05:25] <Agent_bob> val0 oh wait.   install build-essential
[05:26] <Agent_bob> i bet the error message is in error.
[05:26] <val0> Agent_bob hmm... you think so? ok i'll try... brb
[05:26] <Agent_bob> if not at least it gives me a chance to hide....
[05:26] <^theCronoAFK> can't wait untill i'm done backing up..i feel left out not having problems for you guys to assist me on
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> but i will as soon as i do two more cds, because then i will install kubuntu
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> the problem is
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> i have to use grphical safemode because kubuntu doesn't regocnize my ati radeon x1300
[05:27] <^theCronoAFK> :/
[05:28] <Agent_bob> !ati | ^theCronoAFK
[05:28] <ubotu> ^theCronoAFK: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:28] <Agent_bob> in advance...
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> i need an os before i can do that
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> and my drivers come with kubuntu..that's the problem
[05:28] <MacAnthony> ^theCronoAFK: envy?
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> i don't think i need restricted to run KDE
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> envy?
[05:28] <^theCronoAFK> zorg i mean
[05:28] <Agent_bob> or maybe using the one that ubuntu supplies is the problem
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> xorg*
[05:29] <MacAnthony> http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[05:29] <Agent_bob> no vesa is fine for xorg/kde
[05:29] <Agent_bob> @ ^theCronoAFK
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> without safemode?
[05:29] <Agent_bob> that is safemode   sorta
[05:29] <^theCronoAFK> i know
[05:30] <^theCronoAFK> safemode is not a good end solution
[05:30] <Agent_bob> the vesa driver is a low end bios call driver
[05:31] <Agent_bob> but it works well enough with low end output
[05:31] <Agent_bob> and normal xorg/kde is low end
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> i think the first thing is enabling restricted drivers,hopefully that will clear stuff up
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> well, i'm going all out with compiz and kibadock
[05:31] <^theCronoAFK> so i need that Hardware
[05:31] <Agent_bob> it is surely low end cause i ran kde on a p1 100mhz box for a while
[05:32] <Agent_bob> ^theCronoAFK yeah. hopefullE
[05:32] <^theCronoAFK> they should implment a repeat feature in youtube
[05:32] <kye> i have this problem when trying to upgrade via adept. While trying to install the the Linux IMG i get an error and it just stops.. then i reboot and linux wont load forcing me to reformat?
[05:33] <^theCronoAFK> did you reformat in the first place?
[05:33] <kye> yes
[05:33] <^theCronoAFK> oh, well, i'm out, agent bob..your next
[05:34] <Agent_bob> so try next time from konsole and see why it's doing that
[05:35] <kye> anyone have any ideas?
[05:35] <Agent_bob> so try next time from konsole and see why it's doing that
[05:35] <kye> sudo apt-get install update?
[05:36] <Agent_bob> rule one.  if a gui app explodes on you.  use a cli equlivant and see why.
[05:36] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:38] <Agent_bob> Jucato it's all yours.  i am 'fini'
[05:38] <kye> kye@GotWork:~$ sudo apt-get install update
[05:38] <kye> Reading package lists... Done
[05:38] <kye> Building dependency tree
[05:38] <kye> Reading state information... Done
[05:38] <kye> E: Couldn't find package update
[05:38] <Agent_bob> broken apt   thats the problem and obviously a bug.    that not the first one in here with that.
[05:39] <Agent_bob> the update must have hozed it.    or.   did kye mess up his own sources.list ?
[05:39] <Agent_bob> kye pastebin your sources.list and lets see
[05:40] <kye> not sure i just formatted then ran the updates
[05:40] <kye> should i try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:40] <kye> ?
[05:40] <toyo|desk> lol my goal with kubuntu is to never have to use the cli
[05:40] <toyo|desk> LD
[05:40] <toyo|desk> XD
[05:40] <Agent_bob> kye wait
[05:40] <Agent_bob>  you added "install"
[05:40] <MacAnthony> what fun is that toyo|desk
[05:41] <Agent_bob> see i'm too sleepy to do this.
[05:41] <toyo|desk> MacAnthony, I had enough of it through my several years of gentoo
[05:41] <Agent_bob> sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  <<<< kye don't ammend my commands.
[05:41] <odra> caf
[05:41] <MacAnthony> :)
[05:41] <Agent_bob> unless they are wrong....
[05:41] <kye> ok
[05:41] <kye> the dist upgrade is now going..
[05:41] <kye> ty Agent_bob
[05:41] <MacAnthony> there are just some things that are better done through the CLI, imo
[05:41] <kye> i will let you know if i get the error
[05:41] <Agent_bob> welcome kye
[05:42] <Agent_bob> not me you wont.  i'm went
[05:42] <Agent_bob> shalom all.
[05:42]  * MacAnthony is about out too
[05:42] <toyo|desk> MacAnthony, yes I understand that and yes I still use CLI every day at work
[05:42] <toyo|desk> I dont want to have to use it at home as well
[05:42] <toyo|desk> haha
[05:43] <MacAnthony> battery is spent for myself and my lappy
[05:43] <odra> umi tady nekdo cesky?
[05:52] <bazhang> !cz
[05:52] <ubotu> České uživatele žádáme, aby mluvili v kanále #ubuntu anglicky. Česky je možno se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Děkujeme.
[05:56] <monzie> HI all
[05:56] <monzie> I am using Kubuntu 7.10 64 bit
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> yay!
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> hows it?
[05:57] <monzie> I need help with my wireless configuration
[05:57] <^theCronoAFK> Hrm, not my subject
[05:58] <im-a-n00b> thanks guys... the bad block scan worked :)
[05:58] <monzie> I can see that my wireless card is up ( from o/p of ifconfig -a )
[05:58] <monzie> but knetworkmanager is not detecting it
[05:58] <^theCronoAFK> !wireless
[05:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:58] <^theCronoAFK> that may help
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> the channel is kinda inactive right now :S
[05:59] <JoshOvki> morning monzie.  make a copy of and clear out /etc/network/interfaces
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> and i don't know much
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> or he can helpyou :D
[05:59] <MacAnthony> monzie: there is a bug with networkmanager that causes that
[05:59] <JoshOvki> ^theCronoAFK: i can be limited help at 6am
[05:59] <JoshOvki> :P
[05:59] <cpc> i'll kde4 but my kubuntu not load desktop
[05:59] <^theCronoAFK> 12AM where i am,, where are you?..france?
[06:00] <cpc> can help me/
[06:00] <JoshOvki> UK
[06:00] <cpc> can help me?
[06:00]  * MacAnthony tries to find the bug report
[06:00] <JoshOvki> cpc depends on the problem
[06:00] <^theCronoAFK> i'm jsut about to start installing kubuntu right when there is little support :D
[06:00] <^theCronoAFK> this oughta be fun
[06:00] <cpc> how to correct that problem?
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> 'not laodign up' is very vaurge cpc
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> vauge*
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> cpc what language do you speak?
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> nativly
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> natively*
[06:01] <cpc> english
[06:01] <^theCronoAFK> ok
[06:01] <JoshOvki> what time is it where you are?
[06:02] <cpc> indonesia
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> you speak indinesian?
[06:02] <cpc> yes
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> indonesian*
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> i think they might have indonesian channel for you
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> but i don't know the language code for indonesian
[06:02] <^theCronoAFK> :D
[06:03] <bazhang> !id
[06:03] <ubotu> join ke #ubuntu-id untuk membahas ubuntu dalam bahasa Indonesia
[06:03] <^theCronoAFK> yeah id
[06:03] <JoshOvki> there is no one there tho
[06:03] <^theCronoAFK> oh snap!
[06:03] <MacAnthony> monzie: can't find it right now and I have about 5 minutes of battery left
[06:04] <monzie> MacAnthony: no worrries. Thans for your time!
[06:04] <^theCronoAFK> shoot, where are firefox bookmarks saved?..i forgot to backup mine so i ened to save them and uplaod them to the net
[06:05] <monzie> would removeing my .kde help? would it restore my knetworkmanager to a "sane" configuration?
[06:05] <MacAnthony> search in the bug reports with the error message taht knetworkmanager gives you, and you should be able to find it
[06:05] <MacAnthony> no, it's an issue with networkmanager
[06:05] <monzie> MacAnthony: there is no error message
[06:05] <tommstein> how come ctrl+tab doesn't switch between virtual desktops like it's supposed to?
[06:05] <MacAnthony> the "no active device" message
[06:05] <monzie> I just dont see my wireless. Driver and all are installed. I can manually connect with ifup
[06:05] <cpc> is kdestop for kde4 available?
[06:06] <JoshOvki> monzie did you try my idea?
[06:06] <monzie> JoshOvki: nope. What is your idea?
[06:06] <genii> monzie: knetworkmanager will ignore interfaces which appear in /etc/network/interfaces, they are considered manually configured
[06:06] <tommstein> am i wrong? does ctrl+tab actually work for everyone else?
[06:07] <monzie> genii: oh ok. Should I just remove all the entries there and give it a try?
[06:07] <JoshOvki> monzie: make a backup of you /etc/network/inferfaces    empty out the original and restart
[06:07] <genii> monzie: Comment them out with a #
[06:07] <^theCronoAFK> Where are firefox bookmarks located? onw indows..if anyone knows
[06:07] <jshewey> How can I get two different X sessions running so that can run myth on one videocard/monitor combo and kde on another?
[06:07] <monzie> genii/ JoshOvki: then I need to restart KDE or my system?
[06:08] <genii> monzie: No. just ifconfig them down
[06:08] <monzie> genii: ok
[06:09] <JoshOvki> genii:isnt it usual best to restart so it pulls everything up a-fresh?
[06:09] <genii> JoshOvki: If he can't reconnect i imagine thats what he'll end up doing anyhow
[06:09] <JoshOvki> very true
[06:11] <JoshOvki> ^theCronoAFK:   Documents and Settings\[WindowsUserName]\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\[profile name]\bookmarks.html
[06:11] <tommstein> so am i officially the only person that has ever used Ctrl+tab?
[06:11] <^theCronoAFK> i made a bookmarks .html
[06:12] <^theCronoAFK> well..time for the big moment, about to install kubuntu 7.10!!!!
[06:12] <^theCronoAFK> and i don't know what i am doing :D...so brb
[06:12] <JoshOvki> tommstein isnt ctrl + tab used just for switching tabs in a program
[06:12] <JoshOvki> winkey + tab   for going between v desktops
[06:14] <tommstein> JoshOvki, that seems to be what Ctrl+tab does sometimes in kubuntu (although not other times), but in kde it's usually to switch virtual desktops. winkey+tab isn't doing anything
[06:15] <JoshOvki> ok, in System Settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Keyboard Shortcuts
[06:15] <^TheCrono> hello0
[06:16] <JoshOvki> where it says   Current Scheme change it to KDE Default for 4 Modifier Keys
[06:16] <tommstein> aw, god damn it, i must have clicked on every set of settings except that one. thanks, JoshOvki
[06:16] <JoshOvki> hi again ^TheCrono
[06:16] <JoshOvki> on live disk?
[06:16] <^TheCrono> when i make a home dir
[06:16] <^TheCrono> yes
[06:16] <JoshOvki> tommstein: No problem :)
[06:17] <^TheCrono> i want a /home and a linux/system parition, both are ext3 right?
[06:17] <tommstein> you saved me some frustration
[06:17] <JoshOvki> Thats good to know :) i will have to make up for the lack of frustration with the people in work though
[06:18] <JoshOvki> yes
[06:18] <JoshOvki> and a  swap file
[06:18] <^TheCrono> and the /home dirt points to mountpojiint /home correct?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> which is set to  swap
[06:18] <^TheCrono> er
[06:18] <^TheCrono> the /home/ pertition points to the /home mountpoint
[06:18] <^TheCrono> right?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> are you manualy doing your partitions?
[06:18] <JoshOvki> yes thats right
[06:19] <^TheCrono> manually yes, there will be 4 partitions
[06:19] <^TheCrono> where does system mount point to?
[06:19] <JoshOvki> \
[06:19] <^TheCrono> the one kubuntu will be on
[06:19] <^TheCrono> ok
[06:19] <^TheCrono> swap points to?
[06:19] <JoshOvki> ummm :S   yeh
[06:19] <JoshOvki> :P
[06:19] <^TheCrono> swap points to / also>?
[06:19] <^TheCrono> \
[06:20] <JoshOvki> i think that can stay empty
[06:20] <JoshOvki> aslong as it is set to swap
[06:21] <^TheCrono> 60gb is 60000 MB right?
[06:21] <JoshOvki> yeh
[06:21] <JoshOvki> 60, 000, 000, 000 byets :P
[06:21] <^TheCrono>  /home/will be 60 gb, swap 2gb and system 6 gb..and 10gb left over incase i need windows
[06:21] <^TheCrono> on an 80gb hard drive
[06:22] <JoshOvki> i would make system a bit bigger, because every program that is installed goes into that area
[06:22] <^TheCrono> you can't run them from /home/?
[06:22] <JoshOvki> i wouldnt
[06:22] <JoshOvki> you dont really get to set where they install
[06:23] <^TheCrono> well, everyone earlyer said  even 5gb was mroe than enough for kubuntu
[06:23] <reverend_joshua> kopete doesn't seem to be loading my AIM contact list
[06:23] <JoshOvki> mine is on a  80GB HD and its set to   30gb  /home  2gb Swap    15gb System  and the rest is a FAT32 so i can use it for swapping data between linux and windblows
[06:23] <reverend_joshua> is there a setting i can change so it will load my contact list?
[06:23] <JoshOvki> really?:S as soon as you start putting anything big in it dies
[06:24] <^TheCrono> they said put it in /home/
[06:24] <^TheCrono> idk i'll just do what my plan was and well see, i can always reinstall
[06:24] <vincent_> Hello All
[06:24] <^TheCrono> hello
[06:24] <vincent_> Crono, was it you who had the install problem yesterday?>
[06:24] <JoshOvki> give it a go, but i have never had any success in installing programs to home
[06:24] <^TheCrono> the 60gb /home/is primary or logical?
[06:25] <^TheCrono> nah,i wasn't here yesterday [do you mean abotu 7 hours ago?
[06:25] <vincent_> nah, must have been crusis or something
[06:25] <vincent_> my mistake :)
[06:25] <JoshOvki> primary i think. no 100% tho
[06:25] <JoshOvki> been a while since my last install
[06:25] <^TheCrono> dunno, intelilike said my plan was ok
[06:25] <vincent_> anyone else have problems with pidgin? it just sorta hangs when i try to connect
[06:26] <corinth> Does anyone know how to assign volume + and - keys for kmix-kde4?
[06:26] <JoshOvki> vincent_ mine is connected ok
[06:26] <JoshOvki> corinth  try   #kubuntu-kde4
[06:26] <vincent_> ahh k thanks JoshOvki, one day ill get kubuntu fully working :D
[06:26] <corinth> Thanks!
[06:26] <^TheCrono> i'll do 10/50  for system/home
[06:26] <JoshOvki> vincent, same here
[06:27] <^TheCrono> i would do jsut 60 for system..but someone said that wasn't a good idea
[06:27] <vincent_> :p
[06:27] <JoshOvki> TheCrono that should be ok then
[06:27] <vincent_> but hey; at least ubuntu has great community support
[06:27] <^TheCrono> primary is the one the computer boots from right?
[06:27] <^TheCrono> thank god
[06:27] <^TheCrono> that would make system primary
[06:27] <^TheCrono> ?
[06:28] <vincent_> are you talking about primary and slave crono?
[06:28] <^TheCrono> i'm creating a partition..it says "type for new partition primary/logical"
[06:28] <^TheCrono> for the 50gb /home/
[06:28] <vincent_> ahh
[06:28] <^TheCrono> as i understand it, one is primary and all other partitions are logical no?
[06:29] <vincent_> no idea, i thought you were talking about something else.. sorry ^TheCrono :(
[06:29] <^TheCrono> i'll make system primary and the rest logical
[06:29] <^TheCrono> nah, not multiple hardrives
[06:31] <^TheCrono> so now i got dev/sda1   ext3    /   10kmb
[06:31] <calcmandan> hey guys.
[06:31] <^TheCrono> next is /home/
[06:31] <^TheCrono> hey
[06:31] <vincent_> hey calcmandan
[06:31] <calcmandan> i hope everyone is having a great day.
[06:31] <calcmandan> or evening.
[06:31] <^TheCrono> i am sorta
[06:31] <vincent_> i am, thanks :D
[06:32] <vincent_> well, itd be better if i could get pidgin working, lol
[06:32] <calcmandan> for months, if not the last year, i've been using a little screenshot trick that I got used to using on a mac when i worked for apple.
[06:32] <calcmandan> i use kopete
[06:32] <vincent_> kopete kept crashing for me, as soon as it would open it crashed
[06:32] <calcmandan> that sucks.
[06:33] <calcmandan> did you get it via repo or via the website?
[06:33] <vincent_> repo
[06:33] <calcmandan> try getting the app through the website, and install it manually.
[06:33] <^TheCrono> should i ptu the free 17mb in as just another partition..or leave it free..it exist incase i need windows
[06:33] <vincent_> should i get it via werb?
[06:33] <^TheCrono> 17gb*
[06:33] <vincent_> ahh k thanks calcmandan.. should i uninstall the kopete i have now?
[06:33] <calcmandan> why not?
[06:33] <calcmandan> you can always redownload it later.
[06:33] <calcmandan> just apt-get remove kopete
[06:33] <vincent_> nah i mean the version of kopete
[06:34] <vincent_> ah thanks
[06:34] <calcmandan> i need help myself.
[06:34] <^TheCrono> if i have an empty ntfs file system partition..i can use it to store files via kubuntu right?
[06:34] <JoshOvki> i gotta, go. got work soon
[06:34] <calcmandan> using kubuntu...
[06:34] <^TheCrono> like picuters/music
[06:34] <vincent_> whats up? im pretty new, but ill try!
[06:34] <vincent_> yeh sometimes crono
[06:34] <vincent_> i have problems with it every now and then
[06:34] <vincent_> but on the whole it works
[06:34] <JoshOvki> Catch ya all later. Goodluck TheCrono
[06:34] <vincent_> cya JoshOvki
[06:35] <^TheCrono> i can change it from ext3 to ntfs later?
[06:35] <calcmandan> on a mac, the key combo is alt-$, and highlight an area and you get a screenie of that area on the desktop named screenshot001.png, 002.png, etc
[06:35] <vincent_> i dont think so ^TheCrono
[06:35] <calcmandan> well, i've been using the same key combo
[06:35] <JoshOvki> TheCrono not without losing it all
[06:35] <genii> ^TheCrono: no
[06:35] <JoshOvki> bye
[06:35] <calcmandan> i tied scrot to the key combo through accessibility settings in kde
[06:35] <^TheCrono> of course,i know i'llloose it, but i am jsut syaing
[06:35] <^TheCrono> i can change it later right?
[06:36] <^TheCrono> i'm not sure if i'll need windows, but i don't want 17gb of unuseable space
[06:36] <calcmandan> the default name of the file is the date and time of the screenshot
[06:36] <^TheCrono> i'll make ti ext3 for now
[06:36] <calcmandan> i've managed to get it to rename the file to screenshot.png.
[06:36] <^TheCrono> can i invent a mount point like /extra/ or something?
[06:36] <calcmandan> but on the next screen, it doesn't create a new file with screenshot1.png.
[06:36] <vincent_> ohhh...
[06:36] <vincent_> i hear you calcmandan
[06:37] <calcmandan> i was wondering if there is a known switch to rename that will append a number.
[06:37] <calcmandan> on the filename
[06:37] <vincent_> i dont know what it is specifically, but im almost certain there is one
[06:37] <calcmandan> i looked up the man entry for rename and it doesn't describe it
[06:38] <vincent_> have you asked this on the #ubuntu chan?
[06:38] <calcmandan> but if i copy and paste the same item in a directory, it'll automatically append a number on the end of the filename before the extension.
[06:38] <genii> calcmandan: Then likely it does not do it
[06:38] <calcmandan> no.
[06:38] <calcmandan> i know the functionality is there, i just wish it was a bit more intuitive.
[06:39] <calcmandan> i'm sure the osx screenshot app is scrot in disguise.
[06:39] <genii> calcmandan: That is not a feature of the command rename but rather a feature of the file browser you are using
[06:39] <calcmandan> oooooohhhhhhh
[06:39] <calcmandan> genii: what would you suggest?
[06:39] <calcmandan> or am i stuck with date and time on the scrot?
[06:40] <calcmandan> or maybe write my own rename app and add that feature.
[06:40] <calcmandan> but learn c first.
[06:40] <calcmandan> lol
[06:40] <arjuna> what is a alternative to amule?
[06:40] <genii> calcmandan: use mv instead of rename  eg: mv oldname newname
[06:42] <crwlr> im having a brainfart.  how do i setup my computer to be on a workgroup?
[06:43] <genii> crwlr: man smblient may be enlightening
[06:44] <yao_ziyuan> the top priority for kubuntu to really take off: east asian (esp. chinese) language display and input
[06:44] <yao_ziyuan> or else it won't be used
[06:46] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Well, perhaps find us some developers willing to work on it ;)
[06:46] <yao_ziyuan> genii: there is an easy: follow what ubuntu exactly does for installing chinese language support and "complex script inputting"
[06:46] <calcmandan> genii: mv has the numbered option with --backup. is that what you're implying?
[06:47] <genii> calcmandan: It has many useful options :) But yes
[06:48] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Since ubuntu uses gnome and kubuntu uses kde it is not quite that simple to implement as what it may seem
[06:49] <yao_ziyuan> genii: for input, the problem is with the SKIM package
[06:49] <yao_ziyuan> genii: for display, the problem is that kubuntu does not ship with a good enough chinese font like ubuntu does
[06:49] <vincent_> hey, before i tarnish my near-perfect working kubuntu, is compiz-fusion any good?
[06:49] <calcmandan> vincent_: I know how you feel about that.
[06:50] <calcmandan> vincent_: but i don't know.
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> genii: ubuntu's chinese font is with a minor problem. i suggest both variants use the open source "wenquanyi" fonts
[06:50] <genii> yao_ziyuan: The fonts are not so hard to fix, SKIM is another matter
[06:50] <vincent_> calcmandan: ive heard really good things about it, i might give it a whirl
[06:50] <yao_ziyuan> genii: if i install ubuntu and then chinese language support and then kubuntu-desktop, i can use the chinese input methods well in kde
[06:50] <calcmandan> i'm running dapper/
[06:50] <calcmandan> lts
[06:51] <calcmandan> haven't grown the balls to upgrade .
[06:51] <genii> vincent_: You can go back from compiz --replace of course with kwin --replace
[06:51] <calcmandan> probably won't until the next lts comes out
[06:51] <yao_ziyuan> genii: that is directly using scim, without skim.
[06:51] <calcmandan> i can't get wireless to work with any of the live discs.
[06:51] <vincent_> kwin replace?
[06:51] <genii> vincent_: kwin --replace              yes
[06:52] <vincent_> ohh perfect
[06:52] <vincent_> im gonna get it as soon as i get pidgin workin
[06:52] <vincent_> thanks genii
[06:52] <genii> vincent_: alt-f2 then kwin --replace                      to replace default kde window manager if after doing   alt-f2 compiz --replace        no good/want to switch back
[06:53] <vincent_> ill write that one down ^^
[06:53] <genii> yao_ziyuan: Perhaps make mention in #kubuntu-devel , that is where the developers hang out
[06:56] <^TheCrono> can i enable the restricted drivers for ati, while using the live cd?
[06:56] <^TheCrono> after i install it
[06:56] <^TheCrono> kubuntu
[06:57] <^TheCrono> !ati
[06:57] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:57] <genii> ^TheCrono: You can, but not to the installed system, only to what the livecd runs.
[06:57] <Jonyjack> hello everybody
[06:57] <genii> Well, not easily to the installed system, lets say
[06:57] <Jonyjack> i have a little problem
[06:58] <genii> !ask
[06:58] <ubotu> Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> is there any french people ???
[06:58] <^TheCrono> hrm, i don't have system > Administrator
[06:58] <kalorin`> nope
[06:58] <kalorin`> they're all dogs :)
[06:58] <kalorin`> (french jokes)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> :p
[06:58] <^TheCrono> !fr
[06:58] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:58] <kalorin`> <---- I _SLAY_ me :)
[06:58] <Jonyjack> thanks
[06:58] <kalorin`> good luck jony
[06:59] <Jonyjack> :)
[06:59] <^TheCrono> So what's up with this? Do i need to go somehwere for the restricted driver manager?
[06:59] <Jonyjack> everybody is dead on kubuntu-fr :(
[06:59] <^TheCrono> i check in System..i didn't see Administrator
[06:59] <jussi01> ^TheCrono: system settings -> advanced -> restricted driver
[06:59] <^TheCrono> or, do i ahve to be on HD install for that option?
[06:59] <^TheCrono> ah,ok
[07:00] <Jonyjack> i just want to know how create un new user compt to install KDE 4.0
[07:00] <Jonyjack> just create un user compt
[07:00]  * genii tape kalorin ` sur la tête avec un grand petit pain
[07:00] <Jonyjack> lool
[07:00] <vincent_> anyone know how to fix a reading error in pidgin?
[07:01] <genii> Jonyjack: cest: sudo adduser <nom>
[07:02] <Jonyjack> merci
[07:02] <Jonyjack> merciiiiiii ça marche et comment je lui met un mot de passe ???
[07:03] <Jonyjack> please
[07:03] <genii> Vous êtes très bienvenus
[07:03] <genii> hmm
[07:03] <calcmandan> okay,  back to my original question.  here is my current map of scrot: scrot -s -e 'mv $f /home/rydan/Desktop/'  Now, I'd like to utilize mv in such a way that: scrot -s -e mv $n screenshot.png '$f /home/rydan/Desktop/' will append a number to the end of the filename body.  i tried the switch according to the man page, but nothing shows up.  what am i doing wrong?
[07:03] <jussi01> !en | Jonyjack
[07:03] <ubotu> Jonyjack: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[07:04] <Jonyjack> ok ok
[07:04] <Jonyjack> so
[07:04] <genii> Jonyjack: Je ne suis pas ici pendant longtemps aujourd'hui. J'exige du sommeil.
[07:04] <Jonyjack> how i can set any password on a user compt
[07:04] <genii> jussi01: sORRY
[07:04] <jussi01> :)
[07:04] <genii> Bah capslock
[07:04] <Jonyjack> genii> good night ^^
[07:04] <genii> Jonyjack: :)
[07:05] <thecrono> it installed flawlessly
[07:05] <thecrono> :D
[07:05] <jussi01> Jonyjack: system settings -> user management?
[07:05] <thecrono> no for restricted drivers
[07:05] <jussi01> thecrono: :)
[07:06] <sigma> how do i change konq's default download location from my home folder to the desktop?
[07:06] <thecrono> do i need to reboot after ati restricted drivers are installed?
[07:06] <thecrono> i guess so, brb
[07:06] <sigma> thecrono: i think you need to restart x server so yeah a reboot would be best
[07:07] <Jonyjack> jussi01: >thanks
[07:07] <jussi01> :)
[07:08] <thecrono> i got an error
[07:09] <thecrono> No command arguments supplied!
[07:09] <thecrono> Usage: kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command>
[07:09] <thecrono> KdeSudo will now exit...
[07:09] <thecrono> :(
[07:09] <thecrono> is that bad?
[07:11] <ol_dude67> kde4 is not working, wont even sign on to it, how do i just remove it?
[07:11] <jussi01> thecrono: no, what did you do?
[07:12] <ol_dude67> keeps taking me back to loggin screen
[07:12] <jussi01> ol_dude67: can you login to kde3?
[07:12] <ol_dude67> im on it now
[07:12] <thecrono> i gotit, i logged out of admin
[07:13] <jussi01> thecrono: :)
[07:15] <squid0> hi. certain screensavers don't work on my laptop running gutsy kubuntu
[07:16] <ol_dude67> got it
[07:16] <ol_dude67> thanks anyways
[07:16] <squid0> most of the screensavers that say (GL) at the end don't work. why is this?
[07:16] <jussi01> squid0: sounds like you dont have 3d enabled
[07:17] <jussi01> squid0: which gfx card you have?
[07:17] <ol_dude67> squid0, what video card?
[07:17] <squid0> intel 82852/855GM
[07:17] <squid0> using the intel driver, afaict
[07:18] <squid0> do I need to enable something in xorg.conf?
[07:18] <squid0> or what?
[07:21] <ol_dude67> are you using the 810 driver for that?
[07:21] <squid0> yeah, the i810 driver
[07:21] <squid0> should it be the intel driver?
[07:22] <squid0> * should I be using the intel driver?
[07:22] <ol_dude67> no i810 is what you want
[07:22] <squid0> ok.... so then how come 3d accel doesn't work?
[07:22] <ol_dude67> there is a setting tho, im trying to remember what it is.
[07:22] <squid0> ok....
[07:22] <ol_dude67> well im going back threw my notes, try google, i think thats where i found it.
[07:23] <squid0> thanks, ol_dude67
[07:23] <squid0> i'm googling meanwhile
[07:25] <squid0> ol_dude67: should I load certain modules in xorg.conf? glx? GLcore?
[07:25] <ol_dude67> you may have to set something in xorg.conf file, but im sure not thinking what the heck it is?
[07:26] <ol_dude67> its been a year since i have messed with it.
[07:26] <squid0> hmmm
[07:26] <squid0> ok. do you have the same card?
[07:26] <ol_dude67> i have the 945gz which uses the same driver
[07:27] <thecrono> is there any way to apply a sound to say..a button click?
[07:27] <thecrono> or to other actions
[07:27] <squid0> ok
[07:28] <thecrono> !mp3
[07:28] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:28] <jussi01> thecrono: just try opening an mp3 in amarok
[07:28] <thecrono> i doubt it will work right away
[07:28] <thecrono> and i don't have an mp3 :D
[07:28] <thecrono> let me downlaod one from my site
[07:29] <thomas_> you guys have audio probs?
[07:29] <masequis> anyone know of a good 3-d gfx benchmark for linux?
[07:29] <thecrono> not sure yet thomas_
[07:29] <squid0> ol_dude67: I don't know if this is related, but when I run compiz I see this in the output: Checking for Xgl: not present.
[07:29] <thomas_> well. i have since the last update
[07:30] <thomas_> and im almost new to Linux :X
[07:30] <thecrono> http://tindeck.com/audio/my/diyn/Abscond
[07:30] <ol_dude67> squid0, that is what you have to change in your xorg.conf file. let me check and see what exactly it is.
[07:30] <thecrono> does anyone have a 'stream'option btw?
[07:31] <jussi01> thecrono: what do you mean?
[07:31] <vincent_> hey has anyone else had the problem with kopete crashing on startup??
[07:31] <thecrono> there should be a download option and a stream ooption
[07:31] <squid0> ol_dude67: meaning, I should add xgl under the driver section?
[07:31] <thomas_> prompst me to download Flash :o
[07:31] <thecrono> thats one of my songs btw
[07:32] <thecrono> what?
[07:32] <jussi01> thecrono: on that page? yeah, i do
[07:32] <thecrono> the page doesn't need flash
[07:32] <thecrono> ok, thx
[07:32] <thecrono> i don't though
[07:32] <thecrono> ah wait, yes i do..man i don't like konquerer
[07:33] <thecrono> time to get firefox
[07:33] <ol_dude67> squid0, yes and see if that works, or you have to modify the xorg,conf
[07:33] <squid0> ol_dude67: ok
[07:33] <squid0> ...
[07:33] <ol_dude67> try that first
[07:33] <arjuna> what is the biggest p2p network? e donkey?
[07:33] <thomas_> omg. everything is new to me here. even this IRC Client, Konversation
[07:33] <thomas_> i guess there are some other channels here
[07:34] <thecrono> well i saved the mp3 to my desktop..but..its noton my desktop, infact, nothing is
[07:34] <squid0> ol_dude67: do you know what case it's in? Xgl, XGL, or xgl??
[07:34] <ol_dude67> XGL
[07:34] <ol_dude67> i would believe
[07:34] <squid0> ok, thanks
[07:35] <ol_dude67> i had to do this all in slack the first time, so i had to manually do this,so kubuntu is throwing me off, squid0
[07:36] <squid0> ol_dude67: ok
[07:36] <thecrono> i have SOUND
[07:36] <squid0> thanks for your time
[07:36] <thecrono> kubuntu is so easy to use lol
[07:36] <ol_dude67> np
[07:36] <jussi01> thecrono: :)
[07:36] <thecrono> now, for compiz
[07:36] <thecrono> hrm
[07:37] <jussi01> !compiz | thecrono
[07:37] <ubotu> thecrono: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[07:37] <jussi01> thecrono: which gfx card?
[07:38] <thecrono> ati readon x1300 256mb
[07:38] <thecrono> i should be able to handle it
[07:38] <thecrono> but somethign strange is happening
[07:38] <jussi01> thecrono: ati support isnt really nice....
[07:38] <thecrono> its seems my refresh rate is horrible
[07:38] <thecrono> it sin'rt for nvidia either..but what can ya get? ya know
[07:39] <thecrono> where are grphics card options in kubuntu?
[07:39] <thecrono> my refresh rate is horrible
[07:39] <thecrono> the bottom of chant refrsh before the top of it does, lol
[07:39] <thecrono> chat*
[07:39] <thecrono> or, the top refreshes before the bottom *
[07:40] <squid0> ol_dude67: no joy
[07:40] <thecrono> i can see a line going down my screen when something changes
[07:40] <squid0> I assume that logging out and then in restarts X?
[07:40] <squid0> for some reason ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't work on my system
[07:41] <jussi01> squid0: log out, then select restart x from the menu there. then log in again
[07:41] <thecrono> my monitor supports 80hz refresh rate..but i can only select 60hz
[07:41] <squid0> jussi01: thanks
[07:45] <thecrono> !copypaste
[07:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about copypaste - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:45] <thecrono> what is the copypasta URL?
[07:45] <jussi01> !paste | thecrono
[07:45] <ubotu> thecrono: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:45] <thecrono> kopete crashed :/
[07:46] <jussi01> thecrono: do an update through adept
[07:46] <vincent_> crono, my kopete always crashes :(
[07:47] <vincent_> whats the command juss? just apt-get udate?
[07:47] <jussi01> vincent_: yeah, then sudo apt-get upgrade
[07:47] <jussi01> !tab > vincent_
[07:47] <thecrono> how do i update?
[07:47] <vincent_> thanks jussi01
[07:48] <jussi01> thecrono: go to adept, then fetch updates
[07:48] <thecrono> adept?
[07:48] <thecrono> where/what is that?
[07:48] <jussi01> thecrono: go look in your menu...
[07:48] <thecrono> i'm new tokubuntu
[07:48] <jussi01> thecrono: once you have fetched the updates, then do full upgrade.
[07:49] <thecrono> fetched the updates?
[07:49] <thecrono> how do i do that?
[07:49] <jussi01> thecrono: have you started adept?
[07:49] <thecrono> yes
[07:49] <jussi01> then press the fetch updates utton?
[07:50] <jussi01> button*
[07:50] <thecrono> yeah
[07:50] <toro_espana> hello
[07:50] <jussi01> wait till its finished, then press the full upgrade
[07:50] <thecrono> i see what looks like millions of packages
[07:50] <jussi01> hi toro_espana
[07:50] <toro_espana> I have a problem with my internet connection, since I rebooted my computer, I have no internet connection
[07:50] <thecrono> it ifnished in like 2 seconds
[07:50] <toro_espana> I last installed VMWARE demo
[07:51] <jussi01> thecrono: yeah, now upgradr
[07:51] <thecrono> and went back to the original section
[07:51] <toro_espana> is there a command, to reset the connection defaults?
[07:51] <thecrono> upgrade what?
[07:51] <thecrono> full upgrade button?
[07:51] <squid0> ol_dude67: nah, still no joy
[07:51] <toro_espana> I can ping my router, but can't with the internet
[07:51] <jussi01> thecrono: yes...
[07:52] <squid0> I found a forum thread where they advised someone to comment out dri and GLcore modules in x.org, which I tried as well, but still not working
[07:52] <thecrono> i clicked it..that's it?
[07:52] <ol_dude67> squid0, then you need to ask someone here who is more use to ubuntu then i, cause i came from slackware, and its a different linux distro all to itself
[07:52] <jussi01> thecrono: is it doing stuff now?
[07:52] <squid0> ol_dude67: ok. thanks for your help
[07:52] <thecrono> no, it jsut shows a lsit of packages
[07:52] <ol_dude67> np
[07:53] <ol_dude67> sorry i couldnt help
[07:53] <squid0> no worries
[07:53] <toro_espana> I can't ping the other computer in my network, only my router
[07:53] <squid0> iirc, it worked fine under feisty.....
[07:53] <thecrono> i clicked apply changes
[07:53] <toro_espana> is there a command to reset the network config?
[07:53] <squid0> toro_espana: not sure if this is best, but sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:54] <squid0> watch it in a terminal to see what's going on
[07:54] <toro_espana> ok i will try
[07:55] <toro_espana> doesn't work
[07:55] <toro_espana> when i type: ifconfig
[07:56] <thecrono> how do i open command line?
[07:56] <thecrono> so i can use apt-get
[07:56] <toro_espana> i get the following devices: vmnet1
[07:56] <toro_espana> i get the following devices: vmnet8
[07:56] <toro_espana> i get the following devices: eth0
[07:56] <toro_espana> how can i delete vmnet?
[07:58] <TimS> How can I find when the last fsck was run?
[08:00] <toro_espana> join #ubuntu-es
[08:00] <jussi01> toro_espana: you forgot the /
[08:00] <toro_espana> sorry i had any problems
[08:02] <thecrono> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[08:02] <thecrono> adept crashed
[08:04] <TimS> !adeptfix
[08:04] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[08:04] <thecrono> Where do i type that at?..not sure how to open a console
[08:05] <Jucato> thecrono: K Menu -> System submenu -> Konsole
[08:06] <thecrono> the command gave me an error
[08:06] <thecrono> dpkg: --configure --pending does not take any non-option arguments
[08:07] <thecrono> hrm, i got it..but am unsure what to do next
[08:08] <thecrono> installpackage maintainers version?
[08:08] <thecrono> i got 4 options,i don't know what any of them do or why i need them heh
[08:09] <thecrono> um, i hit yes..now what,retry adept?
[08:09] <jussi01> thecrono: go to system -> konsole?
[08:09] <thecrono> i installed maintainers version
[08:10] <thecrono> dunno but alot fo stuff happened..now i try adept?
[08:11] <thecrono> hrm, it appears nothing is upgradeable
[08:22] <noaXess> !xserver
[08:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:22] <noaXess> !x11
[08:22] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:32] <thecrono> how do i get winrar?..the siteonlyoffers an .exe
[08:33] <se7en> !info unrar | thecrono
[08:33] <ubotu> thecrono: unrar (source: unrar-nonfree): Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1.1 (gutsy), package size 94 kB, installed size 232 kB
[08:33] <Jucato> thecrono: install the "unrar" and "rar" packages and you'll be able to open and create rar files using ark
[08:37] <thecrono> man kubuntu is running slow as crap, is there a preformance monitoror something?
[08:37] <thecrono> monitor*
[08:38] <thecrono> the screen is refreshing like, once a second, reguardless to what happens
[08:38] <thecrono> and i meet system requirements about 10 times
[08:42] <neville_> -_-
[08:44] <thecrono> is vmsize in proformance monitor > process MB for my memory?
[08:44] <thecrono> because if so...kubuntu is useing about.. :O 100% of my ram, and its doing nothing [1.5gb ram]
[08:45] <thecrono> i'm using 1.2GB of system memory..and my computer is IDLE
[08:45] <thecrono> wtf?
[08:45] <se7en> thecrono: top will show you how much memory you have and what prog uses cpu
[08:46] <thecrono> yes,it says 1.2gb used out of 1.5gb
[08:46] <thecrono> but..i have NOTHING runnign cept defautl stuff and irc
[08:46] <thecrono> vanlila kubuntu sues 1.2gb of ram?
[08:46] <thecrono> uses*
[08:46] <se7en> what program is useing the cpu
[08:46] <thecrono> that's crazy
[08:46] <ppibburr> thecrono, i got .3 of 1.6
[08:47] <thecrono> it says xorg i guess
[08:47] <thecrono> not sure how to check
[08:47] <thecrono> i have 99 process going
[08:47] <thecrono> processes*
[08:47] <thecrono> is that normal?
[08:47] <se7en> use top in the console
[08:48] <thecrono> top?
[08:48] <se7en> open a console and type top
[08:48] <thecrono> ok
[08:48] <thecrono> now what?
[08:49] <se7en> see what program uses all that cpu
[08:49] <ppibburr> ksysguard uses a bit close it
[08:50] <thecrono> xorg is useing 7%of my cpu and 3%of my mem
[08:50] <thecrono> its the highest
[08:50] <thecrono> none the less, my computer is running insanely slow
[08:50] <thecrono> phsyical memory is now completely maxed out
[08:51] <thecrono> using 100% of it
[08:51] <thecrono> and its not a spike its constant
[08:51] <se7en> mem is used by what
[08:52] <thecrono> i don'tno
[08:52] <thecrono> knwo*
[08:52] <thecrono> the thing using the most memory is xorg, and its using 7%
[08:52] <thecrono> the rest is 0%
[08:53] <thecrono> it says 1,260,00 used and 34.000 free
[08:53] <thecrono> kb
[08:53] <thecrono> man, they didn't say the requirements were 3 times higher than vista
[08:53] <ppibburr> thecrono: there not
[08:54] <thecrono> then there must be a problem
[08:54] <thecrono> because i'm not running anything, and its going very slow
[08:54] <thecrono> it takes  1 second to refresh the screen
[08:55] <thecrono> what is virt?
[08:55] <thecrono> xorg is using 82935 virt
[08:56] <thecrono> top says nothing is using the memory...ksysguard says i have no memory lweft
[08:57] <ppibburr> top hasa line mem: of, used
[08:57] <thecrono> yes, it says 1.2gig used
[08:58] <se7en> virt = The total amount of virtual memory used by the task.  It includes all code, data and shared libraries plus pages that have been swapped out.
[08:58] <ppibburr> and the task percentages do not add up?
[08:58] <thecrono> so how do i fix this?
[08:58] <thecrono> no
[08:59] <thecrono> xorg is 7% the rest isd 0
[08:59] <thecrono> xorg jumps to 26 occasionally
[09:00] <se7en> xorg 7% is not ideal but ok
[09:00] <thecrono> what is ideal?
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> hey a;;
[09:00] <thecrono> i can't even browser the web
[09:00] <ppibburr> any zombies?
[09:00] <se7en> mine is a 8%
[09:00] <thecrono> no
[09:00] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, can you ping them?
[09:01] <thecrono> 102, 2 active,  100 sleeping 0 zombie
[09:01] <thecrono> its not adding up
[09:01] <thecrono> xorg is using 7%, but it still says 1.2gb is used, and i can feel it running slow
[09:02] <ActionParsnip> thecrono,  can you ping websites?
[09:02] <thecrono> my net is ok, my computer is running slow
[09:02] <thecrono> 100% of my ram is being used by nothing
[09:02] <thecrono> firefox takes 20 minutes to load
[09:03] <thecrono> and it takes about 1 second for chat ro refresh
[09:03] <thecrono> 1-2 seconds
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, ok so your pc is sloooow but web access is ok
[09:03] <thecrono> yes
[09:03] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, ok can we have a pastebin of the output from top please?
[09:04] <thecrono> i can't
[09:04] <thecrono> select all
[09:04] <se7en> ActionParsnip: thecrono has problems with his mem and cpu it takes  1 second to refresh the screen
[09:04] <ActionParsnip> se7en, I gathered but a top output would be mega useful
[09:04] <thecrono> well, i can'tcopy it
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, if you select the text as in a text document
[09:05] <se7en> ActionParsnip: i agree
[09:05] <thecrono> i can't even highlight it
[09:05] <thecrono> can't
[09:05] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, ok gimme a sec
[09:05] <ppibburr> -top -d 5
[09:05] <ppibburr> top -d 5
[09:05] <ppibburr> -top is a mush command :)
[09:06] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53134/
[09:06] <thecrono> wtfit went down
[09:07] <thecrono> ksysguard still says  maximum memory used
[09:07] <thecrono> er,i was looking at swap oops
[09:07] <ppibburr> really, cloe ksysguard
[09:07] <ppibburr> close
[09:08] <thecrono> it sitll maxed according to top
[09:08] <thecrono> now its starting to use swap
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, its weird tho. if you add up all the %mem usages yu get a bit less than 20% usage
[09:09] <thecrono> that  20% uses 1.2 GB?
[09:09] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, can we have a pastebin of df -h
[09:09] <thecrono> that's terrible preformance
[09:10] <ActionParsnip> if your disks are really full systems run like dogs
[09:10] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53136/
[09:10] <thecrono> i jsut installed kubuntu to an empty drive about 1 hour ago
[09:11] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, ok disk space is fine too
[09:11] <ppibburr> drive typ?
[09:11] <thecrono> ext3
[09:12] <ppibburr> thats the filesystem
[09:12] <ActionParsnip> ppibburr, do you mean sata / pata / scsi?
[09:12] <thecrono> oh,i don't know the type
[09:12] <thecrono> i don't know that, my computer runs xp fine
[09:13] <thecrono> i can probably run hl2 3 times :D
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, can we have your lspci please
[09:13] <thecrono> ive neevr had such bad preformance
[09:13] <ppibburr> pending drive and access...
[09:13] <thecrono> what is that?
[09:13] <ppibburr> lspci, a command
[09:13] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, its a cli command :D
[09:14] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53138/
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, have you got all the latest updates for your system?
[09:17] <thecrono> ?
[09:17] <thecrono> what do you mean?
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, sudo atp-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[09:17] <thecrono> i did that in adept
[09:17] <thecrono> i cannot update anyways
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> why not?
[09:17] <thecrono> somethign about lock
[09:18] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, thats probably cos adept is open
[09:18] <ppibburr> close x, and in a terminal tty
[09:18] <ppibburr> since performance is slow :)
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, does it boot fast enough?
[09:19] <thecrono> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[09:19] <thecrono> boots fine
[09:19] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, kde3 or kde4?
[09:19] <thecrono> 3.5.8
[09:19] <Lynoure> thecrono: does the slowness persist when your computer is detached from the net, by the way?
[09:19] <thecrono> ive never detached it from the net heh
[09:20] <thecrono> but probably
[09:20] <thecrono> my latency on this server for instance is 58ms
[09:20] <thecrono> i'm not doing anything netwise
[09:21] <Lynoure> thecrono: well, because if you have mystery slowness, online computer, nothing that looks like the cause in the process list, one option is that your computer has been taken over and the processes doing stuff hidden. and sometimes when you are netless, some of such processes fail to be less busy
[09:21] <Lynoure> oops: fail to be so busy
[09:21] <thecrono> you mean someone cracked into my PC..in other words?
[09:22] <ppibburr> no
[09:22] <thecrono> dunno, why,i have nothing on it but kubuntu heh
[09:22] <Lynoure> thecrono: not saying that is the cause, it's just one of the  possible causes
[09:22] <thecrono> well, i see no other options
[09:24] <thecrono> let m,e try rebooting
[09:24] <Lynoure> thecrono: but if you have no services and have not installed software from weird sources, or ran weird commands/scripts, it's unlikely cause, I think.
[09:25] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, i'd try a reboot
[09:25] <thecrono> k
[09:29] <thecrono> well,its using 418MB now
[09:29] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, keep top running to see if it climbs
[09:29] <thecrono> which is still too much
[09:30] <thecrono> 412
[09:31] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, its not bad. theres a lot of stuff sat "ready" from what i read
[09:31] <thecrono> 448
[09:31] <thecrono> is 440ish mb normal?
[09:31] <ppibburr> yea, i run around 300-400
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, least its going down :)
[09:32] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, let mefire up my virtualbox
[09:32] <thecrono> how do i make firefox my default browser?
[09:33] <thecrono> 451mb
[09:33] <thecrono> now its taking time for windows to load
[09:33] <thecrono> konquerer is taking FOREVER
[09:34] <ppibburr> edit prefferences system defualts, i n firefox
[09:34] <ActionParsnip> mem: 255944K total, 251912K used, 4032K free here
[09:34] <thecrono> 43mb now heh
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: Linux always tries to use allyour memory
[09:34] <thecrono> why? that's stupid
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: memory which is not in usebyapplications is used to cache data
[09:34] <thecrono> now chat is going slowe
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> no, it'sa very good idea
[09:34] <SlimeyPete> it speeds things up considerably.
[09:35] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, windows does it too. why do you think you need a swap file
[09:35] <llutz> thecrono: not using memory is stupid, its used for buffers/cache
[09:35] <thecrono> not when it turns your computer into a slideshow
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: lack of memory is not your problem, I'd guess.
[09:35] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: linux automatically fills memory with cached data. When an app needs to use some of that memory the cached data is automatically deleted.
[09:36] <thecrono> now its starting to freeze every coupleof seconds
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> so apps still get to use as much RAM as they need
[09:36] <thecrono> 445mb used out of 12##
[09:36] <SlimeyPete> that's normal, stop worrying, it isn't the cause of your problems.
[09:36] <thecrono> then what is?
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> Might be a DMA issue. try running "sudo hdparm /dev/sda" where sda is the device for your harddisk (might be sdb, sdc etc depending on which cable it's on)
[09:37] <SlimeyPete> see if DMA is turned on.
[09:39] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53139/
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> is it a SATA drive?
[09:40] <thecrono> no idea
[09:40] <thecrono> my HD?
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> yeah
[09:40] <thecrono> my HD is i think
[09:40] <SlimeyPete> in that case DMA's not the issue, hmm.
[09:41] <SlimeyPete> try running "top" to see processor usage
[09:41] <SlimeyPete> see if anything's caning your processor
[09:41] <thecrono> i'mrunning it now..nothing is
[09:41] <thecrono>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S PU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[09:41] <thecrono>  4550 root      15   0 62648  28m 8012 S  7.0  2.3   2:19.45 Xorg
[09:41] <thecrono>  5665 thecrono  16   0 31744  15m  12m S  4.3  1.3   0:16.17 ksysgu
[09:42] <thecrono> the only two processes using memory
[09:42] <SlimeyPete> hmm, yeah, looks fine
[09:42]  * SlimeyPete scratches head
[09:43] <thecrono> Mem:   1294188k total,   463224k used,   830964k free,    45888k buffers
[09:43] <SlimeyPete> Mem:    449288k total,   440444k used,     8844k free,     9920k buffers
[09:43] <thecrono> my cpu is a 2.5ghz celeron too
[09:43] <SlimeyPete> ^^ mine, and I have no problems
[09:43] <SlimeyPete> hmmmm
[09:43] <thecrono> i doubt xorg is using 2.5ghz of processing power
[09:44] <thecrono> and i don't have this problem with windows, so it can't be the cpu
[09:44] <llutz> thecrono: more interesting is the 2nd line (used +/- buffers)
[09:44] <SlimeyPete> shouldn't be.
[09:44] <thecrono> why is that llutz?
[09:44] <llutz> thecrono: because that is the amount of really used RAM without buffers/cache
[09:45] <ActionParsnip> SlimeyPete, you are running at 98% mem. thecrono you are running at 35% mem
[09:45] <thecrono> 45mb used, and the rest is buffer?
[09:45] <llutz> Mem:       2058600    1263020     795580          0     123464     840596
[09:45] <llutz> -/+ buffers/cache:     298960    1759640
[09:46] <SlimeyPete> I don't see "buffers/cache" on my system, when I run top.
[09:46] <llutz> thecrono: ^^ 1.2GB used with buffers , but ony 298MB used by apps
[09:46] <SlimeyPete> 2nd line is swap.
[09:46] <llutz> free -m
[09:46] <thecrono> wtf why are buffers using so much?
[09:46] <SlimeyPete> ah right, yes
[09:47] <llutz> thecrono: because its intelligent RAM-Usage
[09:47] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: it's buffering data which you have used or might use. This is sensible, and every half-decent OS does it.
[09:47] <SlimeyPete> don't worry, the buffer automatically clears when apps need to use more RAM.
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> this doesn't get us much closer to solving your problem though,hrm.
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> I wonder what graphics driver xorg is trying to use... might be VESA.
[09:48] <llutz> thecrono: use "free -m" to see how much RAM really is in use, but like SlimeyPete says, thats not your problem
[09:48] <ActionParsnip> SlimeyPete, update chipset driver maybe
[09:48] <SlimeyPete> yeah, could be a chipset issue I guess
[09:49] <ActionParsnip> chipset drives the ram :D
[09:49] <thecrono> hrm
[09:50] <thecrono> i now have 3 browsers open with about 20 tabs in each
[09:50] <thecrono> everything runs fine
[09:50] <thecrono> cept chat is refreshign slow
[09:50] <thecrono> [i see a line go down when ever a new one appears]
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, weird
[09:50] <SlimeyPete> right, graphics drivers then, I'll bet
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, what client you using forchat?
[09:50] <SlimeyPete> in fact I'd put money on it
[09:50] <thecrono> konvorsation
[09:50] <ActionParsnip> SlimeyPete, me too
[09:51] <thecrono> i installed restricted ati drivers
[09:51] <llutz> thecrono: glxinfo |grep rendering
[09:51] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, try another like xchat and do what llutz says
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: do a "less /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and look for section(s) named "Device", and let us know what they say
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> you did? hmm
[09:51] <SlimeyPete> were things running slow before that?
[09:52] <thecrono> direct rendering: yes
[09:52] <SlimeyPete> I wonder if you've found a bug/incompatibility in ATI's rubbish drivers....
[09:52] <thecrono> i didn't ntoice..the first thing after installing kubuntu was i got restricted drivers
[09:52] <thecrono> i planned on getting compiz
[09:53] <SlimeyPete> thing is, ATI (until very recently) paid little attention to Linux and their drivers were/are... erm, "interesting" to use
[09:53]  * ActionParsnip hates ATi LOTS
[09:53] <SlimeyPete> I'm using them without a problem, mind
[09:53] <ppibburr> i like the were/are :)
[09:54] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53140/
[09:54] <llutz> thecrono: try "glxinfo |grep rendering"
[09:54] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: ah, I more meant the "device" section, not "inputdevice" :)
[09:54] <thecrono> that's the entier result pete
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, can we have a pastebin of the whole xorg.conf please
[09:55] <SlimeyPete> O.o
[09:55] <thecrono> that was the whole thing
[09:55] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: your xorg only contains that one input device section and nothing else? O.o
[09:55] <thecrono> thecrono@Neckron-Ninty-Nine:~$ glxinfo |grep rendering
[09:55] <thecrono> direct rendering: Yes
[09:55] <thecrono> thecrono@Neckron-Ninty-Nine:~$
[09:55] <SlimeyPete> did you scroll down?
[09:55] <SlimeyPete> (using the cursor keys or pageup/down)
[09:55] <thecrono> there was nothing to scroll down tolol
[09:55] <ppibburr> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:55] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, its a bit more, thats the output going through less. press enter to scroll down
[09:55] <ppibburr> th crono, enter
[09:56] <ppibburr> use the cat and pastbin the whole thing
[09:56] <thecrono> how do i copy the whole thing?..its bigger than my screen
[09:57] <ppibburr> start selecting and drag
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, you can read the file but wont be able to edit it :)
[09:57] <ppibburr> draging should scroll
[09:57] <SlimeyPete> ah, the many ways of doing the same thing in Linux ;)
[09:57] <thecrono> pattern not found, press return
[09:58] <thecrono> dragging doesn't scroll
[09:58] <ppibburr> smiley :)
[09:58] <ppibburr> in konsole?
[09:58] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: hrm, you know what, there's an easier way to see if it's the ATI drivers, hang on
[09:59] <ActionParsnip> thecrono, just open the xorg.conf file and pastebin it. you only need kdesu / sudo to edit it
[09:59] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.ati ; sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.1 /etc/X11/xorg.conf" then log in and out again (these commands will cause X to use your old drivers rather than the ATI ones)
[10:00] <thecrono> cp: cannot stat `/etc/X11/xorg.conf.1': No such file or directory
[10:00] <ppibburr> thecrono: read off timestamps, ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf.STAMP
[10:00] <ppibburr> where stamp is a timestring
[10:01] <thecrono> huh?
[10:01] <ppibburr> ls /etc/X11/xorg.conf*
[10:01] <ppibburr> that will list all backups
[10:02] <thecrono>  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  /etc/X11/xorg.conf.ati
[10:02] <SlimeyPete> is that it? O.o
[10:02] <ppibburr> you just made the ati tho
[10:03] <SlimeyPete> the install script should make a backup
[10:03] <thecrono> man wtf, why the heck when i paste somethign into cjhat and hit enter....it enters on the konsole
[10:03] <thecrono> that is so annoying
[10:03] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: hrm, ok, two steps forward and one back, heh...
[10:03] <xen_> Hey there im having trouble with Ktorrent on kubuntu, yesterday it worked fine, today it wont connect to any trackers, and no the trackers are not down and there are plenty of seeds for this torrent
[10:04] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: that doesn't sound normal either O.o but I don't know xchat very well (I assume that's what you're using)
[10:04] <thecrono> konvorsation
[10:04] <SlimeyPete> oh right, well, I don't use that, does sound like odd behaviour though.
[10:04] <thecrono> i paste into the bar..it pastes fine..i hit ENTER..and knsole goes down a line
[10:04] <thecrono> ??
[10:04] <SlimeyPete> do you have your mouse over the konsole window at the time?
[10:04] <thecrono> no
[10:05] <SlimeyPete> weird.
[10:05] <ppibburr> whats running in konsole?
[10:05] <thecrono> anywyas, about this preformance problem?
[10:05] <thecrono> nothing
[10:05] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: ok, do "kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf", that will openagraphical editor for you with the file in
[10:05] <SlimeyPete> you may find it more intuitive than using the terminal
[10:06] <ppibburr> x and kde not handling events correctly
[10:06] <SlimeyPete> ppibburr: does sound odd, doesn't it
[10:06] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53141/
[10:06] <ppibburr> very, and sounds like a good place to have a brea
[10:06] <ppibburr> break
[10:07] <thecrono> see, i paste into konvorsatyion..when i hit enter, konquerer loads the next link
[10:07] <ppibburr> if every widget in Qt is getting the event
[10:07] <thecrono> ??
[10:07] <ppibburr> which they are
[10:08] <thecrono> pete,will you be on tomorrow?
[10:08] <thecrono> its 5am here
[10:09] <thecrono> i need to sleep
[10:09] <ppibburr> graphical apps contain widgets, from the root Object to windw, screen button etc, each can handle events, X passes input events to kde/Qt/Gtk, then handles them, but the handler is broke
[10:09] <thecrono> and i don't wanna really go through all the same stuff with someone new :D
[10:09] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: ok, try this: do "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf", this will give you admin rights so that you can edit the file. Change "fglrx" to "ati" and log out and back in again. If you can't get graphics back, log in in text mode and run "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.ati /etc/X11/xorg.conf" to get backto where you are now.
[10:10] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: I am always here, but not always watching (I'm at work during your night-time cos I'm in the UK ;) )
[10:10] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: but if I'm watching then I'll be happy to help
[10:11] <thecrono> where is fglrx?
[10:11] <thecrono> ok
[10:11] <thecrono> letme relog
[10:11] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: in the section that's just called "Device", it's a little way down.
[10:12] <ppibburr> the Input to manager mis-com could lead to application lag
[10:12] <ppibburr> like my first gui's >.<
[10:18] <TheCrono> i lost video
[10:19] <TheCrono> using live cd now
[10:20] <TheCrono> what was the command to switch bag?
[10:20] <TheCrono> back
[10:20] <TheCrono> ??
[10:21] <llutz> TheCrono: mount your /-fs from HDD and switch to /<mountpoint>/etc/X11, there do "sudo cp xorg.conf.ati xorg.conf"
[10:21] <TheCrono> how do i do that?
[10:22] <llutz> TheCrono: which partition on HD contains / ?
[10:22] <ppibburr> mkdir foo then sudo mount /dev/sda# foo
[10:22] <ppibburr> # is the partition #
[10:22] <TheCrono> i don'tknow
[10:22] <ppibburr> sudo fdisk -l
[10:23] <ppibburr> what says linux as System
[10:23] <TheCrono> sda 1-5-6-7
[10:24] <TheCrono> what was the command to switch back the xorg files..i need to go to sleep, and i defiantly don't want to leave with this new problem
[10:24] <TheCrono> can barely keep my eyes open lol
[10:25] <SlimeyPete> TheCrono: couldn't you log in in text mode?
[10:25] <TheCrono> yes
[10:25] <Sunny_> Deutsches Forum
[10:25] <Sunny_> _
[10:25] <SlimeyPete> best to just do that then "sudo cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf.ati /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[10:25] <Sunny_> ?
[10:25] <SlimeyPete> TheCrono: ^^
[10:25] <se7en> !de | Sunny_
[10:25] <ubotu> Sunny_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:26] <ppibburr> folks at #kde are a bit mute >.<
[10:26] <TheCrono> brb
[10:26] <Sunny_> danke
[10:29] <de4dsnake> hey, i get the following error when i run anything that is not particularily meant for KDE. This started happening after I upgraded Kdesktop some other things: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl
[10:32] <thecrono>  /etc/x11/xorg.conf.ati   no such fileor directory
[10:32] <thecrono> ............
[10:33] <ppibburr> X
[10:33] <ppibburr> not x
[10:33] <ppibburr> X11
[10:34] <thecrono> ugh, why do capitals even matter?
[10:34] <ppibburr> the char for X and the char for x arequite different
[10:37] <brian_> how different is the Linux cmd line then the MSDos cmd line?
[10:38] <ppibburr> quite
[10:38] <Scubar> same basic principles
[10:38] <Scubar> just diff cmds to learn
[10:38] <thecrono> i'm going to sleep now
[10:39] <thecrono> you be on in about 18 hours pete?
[10:39] <Scubar> konsole is more powerful than cmd though
[10:39] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: maybe
[10:39] <SlimeyPete> poke me, if I'm watching I'll help you out some more if I can
[10:39] <thecrono> 7 hours ago..tomorrow heh
[10:39] <thecrono> well, i sitll ahve that problem
[10:39] <Scubar> you got it installed then crono ?
[10:39] <thecrono> bad preformance one
[10:40] <thecrono> yes, but it runs horrible
[10:40] <thecrono> i'llleave it as check it in the monring, later
[10:41] <ppibburr> scubar: the shell evniroments are powerful, and since linux usually ships with, and enables getting other scripting languages easily and command line is powerful
[10:42] <ugur_> hi i have a simple question: Does "sudo reboot" command make any harm to the system when run repeatedly to restart system?
[10:49] <de4dsnake> hey, nobody know how to solve "undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl" error?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: where do you see it?
[10:50] <de4dsnake> well after upgrading kdesktop and some other things, i cannot run any program that is not made  particularily for kde
[10:51] <de4dsnake> so when for example i try to run firefox in konsole
[10:51] <de4dsnake> i get the following:
[10:51] <de4dsnake> "/usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_once_init_enter_impl"
[10:51] <_StefanS_> did your upgrade finish correctly?
[10:52] <de4dsnake> well adept didnt complain about anything
[10:52] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: open a konsole and do sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:52] <de4dsnake> its been more than a week ago when i did this upgrade
[10:53] <de4dsnake> ok
[10:53] <de4dsnake> doing now
[10:53] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: this thread might help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=583537
[10:53] <de4dsnake> if only firefox worked :P
[10:53] <de4dsnake> ill try konqueror
[10:54] <_StefanS_> heh
[10:55] <de4dsnake> yea i saw that thread
[10:55] <de4dsnake> didnt help much
[10:55] <de4dsnake> didnt understand what to do
[10:55] <de4dsnake> after the ldd thing
[10:56] <_StefanS_> paste the output from ldd to paste.ubuntu-nl.org, and let me check it out
[10:56] <heino> hi
[10:58] <de4dsnake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53147/
[10:59] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: looks fine, can you send me the output from dist-upgrade in konsole?
[10:59] <de4dsnake> the one i just did now?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> yup
[11:00] <_StefanS_> want to see if there are any errors
[11:00] <jhend60> Hi all
[11:00] <jhend60> I really need help installing kubuntu
[11:01] <jussi01> jhend60: whats the prob?
[11:01] <jhend60> hello?
[11:01] <jhend60> ok
[11:01] <de4dsnake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53148/
[11:01] <jhend60> when i boot it normally (the first item on menu) the screen is completely black
[11:01] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: thats seems quite ok too
[11:01] <jhend60> but only after it all loads
[11:02] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: try to logout and login again
[11:02] <jhend60> and when i boot with safe graphics, after it loads, a bar at the top of the screen appears with different colouts
[11:02] <jhend60> colours
[11:02] <jhend60> and i cant do anything
[11:02] <de4dsnake> ok, brb, thx so far
[11:02] <jhend60> ps i havent installed yet
[11:02] <jhend60> just downloaded
[11:02] <Scubar> how can i install macromedia flash on amd64
[11:02] <Scubar> its saying wrong architecture
[11:02] <Scubar> i do have the i386 libs installed
[11:02] <jussi01> jhend60: what is your graphics card?
[11:03] <jhend60> and I have a Intel 82810 intergrated graphics driver
[11:03] <jussi01> !lash64
[11:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lash64 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:03] <_StefanS_> Scubar: medibuntu.org, install flashplugin-nonfree
[11:03] <jhend60> and i have 512 mb memory
[11:03] <jussi01> !flash64
[11:03] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[11:03] <Scubar> awww i dont use firefox
[11:03] <Scubar> i use opera
[11:03] <jhend60> is there a way i can get intel drivers on there as it is old
[11:04] <jhend60> and when i use safe graphics mode, and it all loads and a bar with three colours repetedly apperas, i cant do ANYTHING
[11:04] <jhend60> if i turn it off the bars dissaper but i can still see the place where they where
[11:04] <jhend60> i am trying to run it LIVE
[11:05] <jhend60> now im on windows
[11:05] <_StefanS_> jhend60: what intel gfx chipset do you have?
[11:05] <jhend60> 82810
[11:05] <_StefanS_> wow thats old
[11:05] <jhend60> i no
[11:05] <jhend60> it should still work
[11:05] <de4dsnake> ok, im back, logged out and back in but still cant run anything thats not for kde
[11:05] <jhend60> this is an old pc im saving up for new
[11:05] <_StefanS_> well, vesa (safe mode) should work
[11:06] <jhend60> it just has a bar at top
[11:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/11241
[11:06] <jhend60> with colours
[11:06] <jhend60> and stops loading off disk
[11:06] <jhend60> no more disk action
[11:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: do updatedb and locate libglib
[11:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: you might have some extra copy lying around that disrupts the gtk stuff (firefox, thunderbird etc..)
[11:06] <jhend60> i have never used ubuntu or linux before
[11:06] <jhend60> only windows so im a total noob
[11:06] <_StefanS_> jhend60: download the alternate install, it will do it in text mode
[11:07] <jhend60> god
[11:07] <jhend60> my nets not to fast
[11:07] <jhend60> and i will get in trouble if i download anymore
[11:07] <jhend60> i will go over cap
[11:08] <jhend60> is there any difference in alternate cd?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> jhend60: hmm ok, in safe graphics mode you get some color bars ??
[11:08] <de4dsnake> _StefanS_: some extra copy of what? Ive firefox installed.  but only once as far as i know.
[11:08] <jhend60> yes
[11:08] <jhend60> at top
[11:08] <jhend60> about 3 cm wide going along entire screen
[11:08] <jhend60> no movement
[11:08] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: libglib, just do that updatedb, and locate libglib, and post that to paste bin
[11:08] <_StefanS_> jhend60: did you download gutsy ?
[11:08] <jhend60> tiny colout bars green blue yellow going vertically for 3cm
[11:08] <de4dsnake> doing so know, taking a while
[11:09] <jhend60> across screen
[11:09] <_StefanS_> jhend60: yes its trouble with the videodriver alright
[11:09] <jhend60> right
[11:09] <jhend60> can i fix without downloading too much
[11:09] <jhend60> i want to use it
[11:09] <jhend60> maybe i could install with graphics cd option
[11:09] <_StefanS_> jhend60: yes just give me a moment
[11:10] <jhend60> :)
[11:10] <de4dsnake> _StefanS_: updatedb gave no ouput, where shall i locate libglib? in adept?
[11:10] <jhend60> i dont even understand that (noob = me)
[11:11] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: do locate libglib and paste that to paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[11:11] <_StefanS_> jhend60: we're just searching for files on his system using the commandline
[11:11] <jhend60> ....
[11:11] <_StefanS_> jhend60: you can do that graphically aswell
[11:11] <jhend60> complete different than windows
[11:11] <jhend60> wow
[11:11] <jhend60> ill have to learn
[11:11] <jhend60> ok then
[11:11] <jhend60> :)
[11:12] <jhend60> ill search the forums for similar probs
[11:12] <de4dsnake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53150/
[11:13] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: I bet its your vmware libs that are causing the problems
[11:13] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: oh wait..
[11:13] <jhend60> apparently there are a few 82810 graphics probs
[11:13] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: try this first
[11:13] <de4dsnake> hmm, everythign including vmware ran fine before i upgraded kdesktop
[11:13] <_StefanS_> jhend60: yes unfortunately
[11:13] <_StefanS_> jhend60: try with a recent bios is possible
[11:13] <_StefanS_> is/if
[11:14] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: sudo mkdir /usr/local/lib.old && sudo mv /usr/local/lib/libglib-* /usr/local/lib.old/
[11:14] <jhend60> ???
[11:14] <jhend60> what u mean
[11:14] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: see if that works
[11:14] <jhend60> i just got it
[11:15] <jhend60> btw i have no error messages
[11:15] <jhend60> like acpi
[11:15] <de4dsnake> ok i did that, firefox still doesnt run
[11:15] <jhend60> is there any commands i can use
[11:16] <de4dsnake> neither does vlc etc
[11:16] <de4dsnake> different error tho it seems
[11:16] <de4dsnake> the error now is: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple
[11:17] <jhend60> :(
[11:18] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: do a ls -l /usr/local/lib/libgdk* , does it give any results?
[11:19] <de4dsnake> nop
[11:19] <dino_> salve a tutti ^^
[11:19] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: what about ls -l /usr/lib/libgdk* , does it give any results?
[11:19] <jhend60> do i press the vga button on install?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> jhend60: yes try that
[11:20] <jhend60> i have once
[11:20] <de4dsnake> _StefanS_: yes it does
[11:20] <jhend60> so i press F4 then enter
[11:20] <jhend60> and it should work
[11:20] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: please do a locate libgdk-x11 and post the results
[11:21] <_StefanS_> jhend60: yep, vga should definitely work
[11:21] <jhend60> ok i will try it i will be back on with results
[11:21] <jhend60> also before i go should i check my cd for faults?
[11:21] <de4dsnake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53152/
[11:22] <_StefanS_> jhend60: skip that
[11:22] <jhend60> ok then
[11:22] <jhend60> c u soon
[11:24] <sigma_1234> how do you mount a cdrom manually?
[11:25] <_StefanS_> sigma_1234: sudo mkdir /mnt/cdrom && sudo mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom
[11:26] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: did you do a sudo apt-get update recently?
[11:26] <de4dsnake> mayb a week ago
[11:26] <de4dsnake> thats the most recent i can remember
[11:27] <de4dsnake> okdid one now
[11:27] <_StefanS_> and dist-upgrade again
[11:28] <de4dsnake> ok, still no success with firefox, vlc etc
[11:29] <de4dsnake> shall i log out again ?
[11:33] <de4dsnake> _StefanS_: still there?
[11:33] <ubuntu> hi
[11:34] <thomas_> whaddup kvl3vr
[11:37] <jhend60> stilll no luck :(
[11:37] <jhend60> on safe graphics i somehow got into a console
[11:38] <jhend60> but it was wierd
[11:38] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: sorry was out for moment
[11:38] <de4dsnake> np
[11:38] <jhend60> :(
[11:38] <jhend60> >:
[11:38] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[11:38] <jhend60> Can anyone help me!
[11:39] <jhend60> :(
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> !ask | jhend60
[11:39] <ubotu> jhend60: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[11:39] <jhend60> oh ok
[11:39] <jhend60> i have to say it all again
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> i just joined the room so i didntsee it
[11:39] <ActionParsnip> just copy / paste
[11:39] <de4dsnake> did u get an error message at boot jhend60?
[11:40] <jhend60> no
[11:40] <jhend60> no error at all
[11:40] <jhend60> just when it boots to safe mode after all the loading things it has a long bar at the top
[11:40] <jhend60> with 3 colours in it
[11:40] <jhend60> like a optical illusion
[11:40] <jhend60> i have intel 82810 graphics card
[11:41] <jhend60> and have tried using VGA
[11:41] <jhend60> and i am using the 700mb cd image on a burned dvd
[11:41] <de4dsnake> maybe ur graphics card is  broken? or does it run fine in other OS?
[11:41] <jhend60> well.. i am on windows now!
[11:41] <jhend60> i needed the driver to make windows work at all
[11:41] <jhend60> for some odd reason
[11:41] <jhend60> i had to install it in safe mode
[11:42] <jhend60> or normally it would be blank
[11:42] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: gotta run for a moment again
[11:42] <jhend60> i have made custom xp install now so i dont have to
[11:42] <jhend60> do i need 32 bits video coz i only have 16 and 24
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, 24 is fine
[11:43] <jhend60> also on normal mode after all kubuntu loading screens have done its just a blank screen
[11:43] <jhend60> and i have managed to get into a console from safe mode
[11:43] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, kde3 or kde4?
[11:43] <jhend60> but i didnt know what to do so i have rebooted into xp
[11:44] <jhend60> kde3
[11:44] <jhend60> fresh kubuntu 7.10 gutsy
[11:44] <jhend60> 700mb
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, have you tried renaming ~/.kde and rebooting?
[11:44] <jhend60> just downloaded
[11:44] <jhend60> i havent installed
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, ok cool, nm
[11:44] <jhend60> im trying to run live
[11:44] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, laptop / desktop
[11:44] <jhend60> desktop
[11:44] <jhend60> really old
[11:44] <jhend60> 6 yrs
[11:45] <jhend60> old tiny dell
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, bet its a fine system
[11:45] <jhend60> with huge crt screen
[11:45] <jhend60> intel celleron processer
[11:45] <jhend60> ~ghz
[11:45] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, have you tried other live distro's?
[11:46] <jhend60> no
[11:46] <jhend60> i dont have any more download space
[11:46] <jhend60> reached cap
[11:46] <jhend60> my videos memory is only 32 mb though
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> download damn small linux (40Mb) and see if that works
[11:46] <ActionParsnip> 32mb video is fine
[11:47] <jhend60> do i have to burn coz i have no more discs either
[11:47] <jhend60> do u want me to check the disk?
[11:48] <jhend60> for faults?
[11:48] <jhend60> maybe i should just get new pc and put it on that :(
[11:48] <jhend60> take 8 months to save enough
[11:49] <jhend60> probably more
[11:49] <jhend60> i do have 512 mb memory
[11:50] <Scubar> woot finally got sound
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, yeab burning is needed
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, I'd check the disk too
[11:51] <ActionParsnip> 512mb is loads for kubuntu :)
[11:52] <jhend60> i wish this works...
[11:53] <jhend60> i might email the staff
[11:54] <de4dsnake> after logging out and logging back in i still get the error: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple
[11:55] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: I'm back again
[11:55] <de4dsnake> cool
[11:55] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: type env and paste to me
[11:55] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: had to get something to eat
[11:56] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: the general problem is that you _somewhere_ have a library (or more) that gets chosen before the correct ones supplied with (k)ubuntu, and thus you get these symbol lookup failures because the libraries dont match version-wise
[11:56] <de4dsnake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53158/
[11:57] <ActionParsnip> http://www.bmeink.com/A80110/high/bmepb625171.jpg
[11:57] <Scubar> if i close x server to install nvidia drivers whats the cmd to start it again ?
[11:57] <de4dsnake> hmm i was trying to get avant window navigator installed  once
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Scubar: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:58] <de4dsnake> so install some dogde libraries in order to be able to insall it
[11:58] <Scubar> ty
[11:58] <de4dsnake> but i never suceeded to get avan window navigator to run
[11:58] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: dogde?
[11:58] <de4dsnake> dodgy, wierd
[11:58] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: ah ok :)
[11:58] <jhend60> any mroe help from any1?
[11:58] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: well, do the following .. (I'm typing)
[11:59] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: sudo apt-get install --reinstall libgtk2.0-0
[12:00] <ActionParsnip> jhend60, have you tried install in text mode?
[12:01] <de4dsnake> ok done
[12:01] <_StefanS_> ActionParsnip: most likely thats the way to go for him
[12:01] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: try again
[12:01] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: starting firefox
[12:01] <de4dsnake> still the same error
[12:02] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, what error do you get with firefox?
[12:03] <de4dsnake> this is not just with firefox, but also vlc, vmware and nething non kde: /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple
[12:03] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: yes I know, try this: for i in `dpkg -l|grep gtk|awk '{print $2}'`; do sudo apt-get install --reinstall $i ; done
[12:04] <jhend60> i want to run live first, and do i need to get alternate cd for text based?
[12:04] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: should take while to complete, but hopefully it will work
[12:05] <SlimeyPete> jhend60: for text-based install, yes
[12:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: it should reinstall all gtk stuff..
[12:06] <de4dsnake> i see
[12:06] <jhend60> so its either do that or get new pc? are those my only options?
[12:06] <de4dsnake> it keeps asking me for confirmations
[12:06] <de4dsnake> is there a yes for all|?
[12:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: nope
[12:06] <de4dsnake> :(
[12:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: oh sorry, yes there is
[12:06] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: my bad..
[12:07] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: for i in `dpkg -l|grep gtk|awk '{print $2}'`; do sudo apt-get install --reinstall -y $i ; done
[12:07] <de4dsnake> well should i abort then?
[12:07] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: yep just do that
[12:07] <de4dsnake> nvm its done now neways
[12:08] <de4dsnake> logout and restart?
[12:08] <_StefanS_> de4dsnake: logout should be enough.. did it reinstall all the packages?
[12:08] <de4dsnake> yes
[12:08] <_StefanS_> ok go ahead
[12:08] <de4dsnake> ok man, thx a lot. brb
[12:10] <de4dsnake> ok, back still no success
[12:10] <de4dsnake> im going for lunch now, ill b back in 40 mins
[12:11] <de4dsnake> thx a lot for trying to help me out.
[12:11] <_StefanS_> ok
[12:12] <jhend60> thanks for every1 trying to help me to GET linux started...
[12:12] <jhend60> i guess ill have to wait...
[12:12] <_StefanS_> no problem, it was just bad luck on the i810
[12:20] <noaXess> how can i change the default file manager dolphin to konqueror?
[12:21] <noaXess> normaly if i open my home folder over the system menu, dolphin starts...
[12:21] <noaXess> or if i plugin any usb storage and say "open in a new window" dolphin will be started.
[12:22] <NickPresta> !d3lphin | noaXess
[12:22] <ubotu> noaXess: Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[12:23] <noaXess> ok.. thanks NickPresta
[12:25] <noaXess> will d3lphin will be supported or developed for the future? cause on the web from d3lphin.. : but at the moment I have really no time to code on D3lphin
[12:25] <noaXess> https://marrat.homelinux.org/D3lphin
[12:26] <NickPresta> noaXess, d3lphin is Dolphin ported to KDE 3.5.X. In KDE 4.0+, you use Dolphin, which is updated and works better (apparently).
[12:27] <noaXess> NickPresta: aha... okay..
[12:27] <noaXess> where to get more features? plugins?
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, for what?
[12:27] <NickPresta> noaXess, I don't know of a place. You could check http://kde-look.org
[12:27] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: g. for the compressing feature with right klick..
[12:28] <jussi01> noaXess: likely, as its under active development
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, you need to look into service menus
[12:28] <noaXess> can only use tar or gziped tar. or bzipped tar.. and sometime i need zip :)
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, http://legroom.net/2007/04/20/adding-custom-actions-kde-context-menus
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, theres a zip one there you can modify
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, you should google more. That took me 3 seconds
[12:30] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: okay. :=)
[12:35] <sakey> does any one know how to change chanell
[12:35] <sakey> ?????????/
[12:35] <Dr_willis> You mean  in your irc client?
[12:35] <jussi01> sakey: as in join a new one or just change?
[12:35] <Dr_willis>  /join #pick_a_channel
[12:35] <jussi01>   /join #channelname
[12:36] <Dr_willis> it will be wiorth while to read a few irc beginner guides. :)
[12:36] <Dr_willis> !irc
[12:36] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[12:38] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: ha :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=588321
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, see, if you'd done that first you wouldnt have to ask
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, good find though :)
[12:40] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: yeah.. i know.. but sometime it's easier to ask.. get some hints and tipps and then mostly it work :)
[12:40] <sakey> thax but will i find the chanel name's??
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> noaXess, I'd google first then ask for help :D
[12:40] <sakey> where will i find the channel names
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> sakey, what client do you use?
[12:40] <noaXess> ActionParsnip: yeah..
[12:41] <sakey> it's kubuntu
[12:41] <sakey> the defalt one
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> sakey, konversation?
[12:41] <sakey> yes
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> sakey, window -> channel list
[12:44] <sakey> thanx man
[12:44] <sakey> i got it
[12:44] <sakey> but where you from?
[12:45] <de4dsnake> back
[12:45] <ActionParsnip> sakey, you mean geographically?
[12:47] <de4dsnake> does ne1 else have ne ideas how to fix symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple    ?
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, what do you get from the command .... file /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/symbol-lookup-error-usrliblibgtk-x11.2.0.so.0-undefined-symbol...-434399/
[12:49] <de4dsnake> i get /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: symbolic link to `libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.0'
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, check the link ^
[12:51] <nightb> Hi
[12:51] <nightb> Is there a french channel for Kubuntu Support please ?
[12:51] <nightb> "cause I've a problem
[12:52] <jussi01> !fr
[12:52] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:53] <jussi01> nightb: ^^
[12:56] <nightb> thanks jussi01!
[12:56] <nightb> I've forget the - ^^
[12:58] <de4dsnake> ActionParsnip: i have kind of gone through the steps in that forum u sent me already with _StefanS_
[12:58] <de4dsnake> i thinki atleast
[12:59] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, just google for your error message. Thats all I did
[12:59] <de4dsnake> tried that
[12:59] <de4dsnake> didnt find nething ussefull
[12:59] <nightb> I've installed Kubuntu, and when I started it up today, this message appear : No command Arguments supplied ! Usage : Kdesudo [-u <runas>] <command> KdeSudo will now exit". What can I do ?
[13:01] <g2g591> nightb: see if add/remove programs works, if it does, then you have nothing to worry about
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> kdesudo needs a command to run with admin power
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> de4dsnake, thats all I'd do. Ive not had that error
[13:02] <ActionParsnip> nightb, e.g kdesu kate ~/textfile.txt
[13:04] <nightb> ActionParsnip: I write this in konsoel ?
[13:04] <nightb> konsole*
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> nightb, thats what kdesu expects
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> nightb, something like that
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> nightb, kdesu <program name>
[13:04] <ActionParsnip> nightb, kdesu on its own does nothing
[13:05] <ibou> hi
[13:05] <nightb> Ok thanks ActionParsnip
[13:13] <Dragnslcr> kdesudo, not kdesu
[13:14] <nightb> So I write kdesudo Adept Manager ?
[13:17] <ActionParsnip> nightb, kdesu adept
[13:17] <nightb> And not Kdesudo Adept ?
[13:21] <jpatrick> nightb: kdesu is syslinked to kdesudo
[13:21] <g2g591> nightb: afaik kdesu is symlinked to kdesudo , so they are the same thing
[13:21] <nightb> Ok thankss
[13:22] <g2g591> nightb: if you feel like typing the 2 extra letters, go ahead
[13:27] <Beanoes> has anyone actually installed KDE4 yet?
[13:27] <rodolfo> hey folks
[13:28] <jpatrick> !kde2 > Beanoes
[13:28] <nightb> I write Kdesu Adept and this message appear : "adept : command not found"
[13:28] <jpatrick> nightb: adept_manager
[13:28] <jpatrick> !kde4 > Beanoes
[13:28] <rodolfo> i am a newbie on Kubuntu I need to know how to set up these fonts on a LCD monitor, they look too bad. can anyone help?
[13:28] <jpatrick> Beanoes: sorry
[13:29] <Beanoes> jpatrick you have installed it? Good? I suspect the > means good eh?
[13:30] <krekon> I'm using gutsy gibbon on toshiba tecra a8. I want to make kbluetooth to start automaticly  but I don't know how to add an application on System Services. there is something weird with kbluetooth, even if I make a restart it doesn't start like other opened application. Note that in orded to work kbluetooth I run it and then through Konsole I run these commands: "toshset -bluetooth off" and "toshset -bluetooth on". What should I do?
[13:32] <intelikey> i'm having a strange problem with mc   can't execute any command from within it.  no error message it just returns but didn't do anything.   any clue what might cause that ?
[13:33] <rodolfo> !br
[13:33] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado.
[13:34] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/?show=d35090f2e
[13:40] <BluesKaj> krekon, I'm not certain but try adding kbluetooth to autostart: alt+F2 , kdesu konqueror /usr/share/autostart. Then drag kbluetooth into the file "copy here" . Not sure if it will work , but it's worth a try .
[13:49] <krekon> BluesKaj it works when I login but I want to add the appropriate file in /etc/init.d in order to start and work even if I haven't login (it is about my bluetooth mouse)
[13:54] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[13:54] <ubunturos> Hello!
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> Is there a plugin or method I canuse tomake firefox cycle through a list of URLs?
[14:07] <nuno> can some1 help me?
[14:07] <nuno> i want to install beryl on gutsy
[14:07] <de4dsnake> dont install beryl. install compiz fusion
[14:08] <nuno> Hm?
[14:08] <de4dsnake> beryl is no longer active
[14:08] <nuno> how can i install compiz then?
[14:08] <de4dsnake> compiz fusion is basically the new version  of beryl
[14:08] <nuno> how can i install compiz then?
[14:08] <de4dsnake> hold on, looking it up
[14:08] <nuno> Okay
[14:08] <Kohlrabi> !compiz
[14:09] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[14:10] <nuno> DEB - command not found
[14:10] <nuno> xD
[14:10] <MuNzE> u can compile compiz from git
[14:10] <de4dsnake> use adept
[14:10] <BluesKaj> !bluetooth | krekon
[14:10] <ubotu> krekon: For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[14:10] <nuno> to get compiz?
[14:10] <de4dsnake> add/remove programs
[14:10] <de4dsnake> search for compiz
[14:10] <nuno> O_O
[14:10] <MuNzE> yes
[14:10] <de4dsnake> install the setting manager there
[14:11] <nuno> ill check
[14:11] <de4dsnake> and then open adept manager
[14:11] <de4dsnake> search for compiz
[14:11] <de4dsnake> and install everything that is not dev
[14:11] <de4dsnake> well thats how i did it atleast
[14:11] <nuno> i searched in add / remove
[14:11] <MuNzE> if u patch compiz-core against xcb in gutsy u can install all plugins
[14:11] <nuno> Compiz Setting
[14:12] <nuno> Well how do i install it?
[14:12] <MuNzE> go to compiz-fusion chanell
[14:13] <MuNzE> #compiz-fusion
[14:13] <de4dsnake> tick it and  click apply changes
[14:13] <nuno> Now i have the Compiz Configuration System
[14:13] <de4dsnake> yea
[14:13] <de4dsnake> u also need compiz fusion itself
[14:14] <nuno> Its not in add/remove programs
[14:14] <de4dsnake> open adept manager under "system"
[14:14] <de4dsnake> yes
[14:14] <nuno> ill try
[14:14] <de4dsnake> search for compiz there
[14:15] <nuno> i did
[14:15] <nuno> many packets
[14:15] <nuno> appeard
[14:15] <nuno> which should i download?
[14:15] <de4dsnake> install everything compiz, but those that are dev and gnome
[14:16] <de4dsnake> also install emerald
[14:16] <nuno> compiz BCOP
[14:16] <nuno> should i download it
[14:16] <nuno> ?
[14:16] <de4dsnake> oh anot bcop
[14:16] <nuno> ok
[14:16] <nuno> copmcomm plugins
[14:16] <nuno> should i?
[14:17] <de4dsnake> no
[14:17] <de4dsnake> go for compiz-fusion instead
[14:17] <nuno> compiz-fusion plugins
[14:17] <de4dsnake> yes
[14:17] <nuno> compiz-fusion plugins extra
[14:17] <nuno> and main
[14:17] <fguler> When i was installing compiz-kde and related packages, adept gave me an error and now is saying to me another proccess is using etc, and when i say yes, it crashes. What should i do at this point ?
[14:18] <de4dsnake> fguler: u probably have another installer running
[14:18] <de4dsnake> close it
[14:18] <nuno> i searched just for compiz fusion , emerald , plugins and libemeraldengine appeard
[14:18] <fguler> de4dsnake: i restarted computer
[14:19] <nuno> which one do i download
[14:19] <de4dsnake> nuno: all of it
[14:19] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix | fguler
[14:19] <ubotu> fguler: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[14:20] <de4dsnake> nuno: when ur done: alt + F2 and type compiz
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> hey all
[14:20] <genii> compiz --replace
[14:20] <nuno> WOOT
[14:20] <MuNzE> only if u have ati
[14:21] <nuno> O_O
[14:21] <fguler> this bot rocks
[14:22] <ActionParsnip> fguler: do you mean the room bot?
[14:22] <MuNzE> compiz --replace --loose-binding if u have nvidia
[14:23] <de4dsnake> nuno: u will also need the restricted drivers for nvidia
[14:23] <blizzzek> hi
[14:24] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[14:26] <ActionParsnip> !hi | blizzzek
[14:26] <ubotu> blizzzek: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[14:28] <MuNzE> nuno: compiz is on ?
[14:30] <de4dsnake> MuNzE: what does t he --loose-binding do? why is it needed for nvidia?
[14:31] <MuNzE> de4dsnake: install fusion-icon from git
[14:31] <de4dsnake> ?
[14:31] <MuNzE> u need run cf in nvidia with loose-binding
[14:31] <MuNzE> if u have ati just compiz --replace
[14:32] <de4dsnake> ive got nvidia and what i do to run is compiz --replace --indirect-rendering --sm-disable ccp & - inderect rendering avoid black windows
[14:33] <MuNzE> de4dsnake: install git core
[14:33] <MuNzE> then
[14:33] <MuNzE> git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/users/crdlb/fusion-icon && cd fusion-icon && sudo make install
[14:34] <MuNzE> de4dsnake: try this then u see what --loose-binding do when u have nvidia
[14:34] <de4dsnake> well id love to try but atm my system is completely messed up
[14:34] <lamerman> hi everyone! how could i download files from web, working under kubuntu server (from shell)?
[14:34] <MuNzE> lol
[14:34] <de4dsnake> it wont run nething thats not for kde
[14:35] <Whitman> I've been using KioskTool to lock down an open access computer but while working with it KioskTool crashed and now I can't run it again because the computer is locked down.  How can I access it?
[14:35] <genii> lamerman: wget
[14:35] <lamerman> genii thanks! i'll try it
[14:35] <faTe> HI GUYS
[14:35] <de4dsnake> MuNzE: whats i keep gettting is: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple
[14:36] <de4dsnake> this is with compiz, firefox, vlc etc
[14:36] <MuNzE> wow
[14:36] <ActionParsnip> lo all
[14:38] <faTe> "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!" what am i needing, i use kubuntu7.10 and i was compiling, when i got this message...
[14:38] <MuNzE> de4dsnake: sorry i run cf here in gnome kde kde4 and everything fine
[14:38] <MuNzE> from git :)
[14:38] <de4dsnake> yea, it used to run fine here too until i messed things up
[14:38] <de4dsnake> but once ill fix my system , ill try git
[14:39] <de4dsnake> what exactly is it neways?
[14:40] <MuNzE> de4dsnake: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2-uKv6zd54
[14:41] <MuNzE> u can see in my videos what is new in cf
[14:41] <lupul> !flash64
[14:41] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[14:42] <de4dsnake> well only if firefox would run
[14:42] <faTe> "checking for KDE... configure: error: in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail. So, check this please and use another prefix!" what am i needing, i use kubuntu7.10 and i was compiling, when i got this message...sorry for repeating
[14:42] <de4dsnake> i think ill ned to clean install from scratch
[14:44] <MacAnthony> faTe: try installing kdelibs-dev
[14:44] <faTe> oke i'll try
[14:46] <frojnd> Hello there. I'm having some problems with searching ext3 partitions in windoze. I've installed fs-driver on XP and since I wasn't able to see any linux partitions I started in command line: mountdiag E: in hope I'll be able to browse partition, But than I got an massage: http://pastebin.ca/869761  Can someone help what can I do so I can w/r/x linux's files in XP ??
[14:46] <faTe> E: Paket kdelibs-dev hat keinen Installationskandidaten ---> means pacet kdelibs-dev has no installation-candidates
[14:46] <jpatrick> faTe: kdelibs4-dev
[14:47] <faTe> oke
[14:47] <frode> which kubuntu distro to install today? i recently installed 7.10 to a friend, but it was not as good as i have thought. the flash problem, and also the screen is black during the whole startpu, until the logon screen appears. the startup is also very slow. do you still recomend people to install the 6.06 LTS? i have that version and is very happy with the stability and it is fast on my old computer
[14:48] <bazhang> frode: if that is what works for you then go for it--though it will only be supported until next year
[14:49] <bazhang> frode: hardy (the next release due in april) is also a LTS and will be supported for three years starting this April
[14:50] <frode> i wonder about reinstalling to my friend... so she get the same distro as me :). the real reason is i havent got flash working... although i am avare of the problem and have followed the tutorials for fixing it :(
[14:51] <BluesKaj> bazhang, the LTS on Hardy has been suspended due to KDE4 changes and upgrades
[14:52] <bazhang> BluesKaj: right; too much time in #ubuntu for me :{
[14:53] <ScorpKing> frode: install firefox and flash for it. konqueror will then use the flash plugin from firefox
[14:53] <BluesKaj> bazhang, actually I'm a bit disappointed but it will be nice to have a distro with a properly working kde4 in a yr or so :)
[14:53] <bazhang> BluesKaj: hehe; I hear that :}
[14:59] <frode> scorpking: should i: 1 install firefox, then visit a flash site and answer yes to install flash, or should i: 2 download flash from adobe and install it in the firefox directory? or...? sorry i did not get the tutorials to work
[15:00] <faTe> "checking for "libberyldecoration"... configure: error: libberyldecoration not found" wich packet i need?
[15:10] <MacAnthony> faTe: I'm not on ubuntu right now so can't check, but packages.ubuntu.com says there was a libberyldecoration-dev in fiesty - not sure if it was on later versions
[15:11] <genii> !info libdecoration0
[15:11] <ubotu> libdecoration0 (source: compiz): Compiz window decoration library. In component main, is optional. Version 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1.1 (gutsy), package size 47 kB, installed size 124 kB
[15:11] <faTe> should i do: "sudo apt-get install libberyldecoratin-dev" ???
[15:11] <genii> !info compiz-kde
[15:11] <ubotu> compiz-kde (source: compiz): OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.6.0+git20071008-0ubuntu1.1 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB
[15:13] <faTe> with apt-getinstall libberyldecoratin-dev, it won't work...has someone antoher idea?
[15:14] <genii> faTe: sudo apt-get install libdecoration0 compiz-kde
[15:15] <faTe> oke ill try
[15:16] <BluesKaj> all this work for some eye candy to impress windows users :)
[15:16] <faTe> :)
[15:16] <faTe> impress my parents :P
[15:17] <BluesKaj> parents are windows users , right ?
[15:17] <faTe> BluesKaj: surew
[15:17] <faTe> my whole family is using windoof
[15:17] <faTe> widows
[15:17] <faTe> windows
[15:18] <BluesKaj> faTe, heh my son uses windows , I use linux :)
[15:19] <faTe> BluesKaj: i use linux, and if i need, i take my second hdd with windows(brought with my old pc), but not often
[15:19] <faTe> :)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> nothing wrong with using windows , if you need to use apps that aren't available on Linux ...I also dual boot
[15:20] <faTe> i need it for xfire
[15:20] <faTe> or if i want to play a lil bit :P
[15:20] <BluesKaj> wine can't cover them all and vmware is buggy on my setup
[15:21] <faTe> i don't think that my pc would run wine or vmwarewithout lagging
[15:21] <faTe> *vmware without
[15:23] <faTe> "checking for "libberyldecoration"... configure: error: libberyldecoration not found" same error :/
[15:24] <genii> omit the "beryl" part
[15:24] <alberto> hi, how to remove completly kde 3.5' (commands for konsole plz)?
[15:25] <faTe> genii: if i done right, there is no package with this name...
[15:25] <faTe> i used this: sudo apt-get install libberyldecoration0 compiz-kde
[15:26] <genii> faTe: libdecoration0 NOT libBERYLdecoration0
[15:26] <genii> Am I being unclear or something?
[15:26] <faTe> genii: NO
[15:26] <faTe> but i installed this packet
[15:26] <faTe> some time ago
[15:27] <rodolfo> !compiz
[15:27] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[15:27] <faTe> but it prints the same line like infront of the installation
[15:28] <genii> faTe: Since the time you used beryl, compiz and beryl have now joined to make compiz-fusion and there are now no more beryl-specific packages for anything.
[15:28] <faTe> genii: ah oke, what shuld i do then?
[15:29] <faTe> and btw: i used beryl never, downloaded it yesterday+
[15:29] <faTe> :/
[15:29] <genii> faTe: Go to the link that rodolfo just pointed out and follow instructions
[15:29] <faTe> oh oke
[15:31] <genii> rodolfo: That should buy a few minutes ;)
[15:32] <andreas_> hey
[15:32] <andreas_> where are all my programs stored in /root/>
[15:32] <andreas_> ??
[15:32] <andreas_> i mean in what directory/
[15:32] <andreas_> ?
[15:32] <wimpies> hi all, what is the state of software for 64 bit kubuntu ? is it all, almost all, most, some, few, very few or no packages are available?
[15:33] <rodolfo> genii: no, not at al. actually I am looking for compiz-fusion icon for KDE...hard to find
[15:33] <genii> andreas_: There is not in ubuntu something like the windows equivelent of "c:\Program Files"      the programs install their components into different areas of the system.
[15:34] <andreas_> ok i want to find kpdf
[15:34] <andreas_> i want to find the program kpdf and run it, but i want to find it's location
[15:34] <andreas_> where should i look for?
[15:34] <rodolfo> !compiz-config settings manager
[15:34] <aleksanteri> in terminal type "type kpdf"
[15:34] <aleksanteri> andreas_, ^
[15:35] <andreas_> ok let me see
[15:35] <genii> andreas_: Since that particular one gets installed where the system looks normally for files to run, what aleksanteri told you should work
[15:35] <andreas_>  /usr/bin/kpdf
[15:35] <aleksanteri> so kpdf is there
[15:35] <andreas_> so are all program innstalled at usr/bin?
[15:36] <genii> andreas_: No
[15:36] <aleksanteri> not all, but most
[15:36] <andreas_> so where are the others installed then?
[15:36] <genii> !fhs | andreas
[15:36] <aleksanteri> some are in /bin, some in /usr/sbin, /sbin, ...
[15:36] <ubotu> andreas: An explanation of how files and directories are organized on Ubuntu, and how they can be manipulated, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LinuxFilesystemTreeOverview
[15:36] <andreas_> and do linux have registry like windows/
[15:36] <andreas_> ?
[15:36] <aleksanteri> no, linux doesn't have registry
[15:36] <genii> andreas_: Not KDE. Gnome has something like the registry, gconf
[15:36] <andreas_> ok thanks for your help
[15:36] <BluesKaj> wimpies, if you have lo-end graphics then 64bit will be troublesome. I switched back to 32 cuz mt ati card doesn't do google earth  well, for example.
[15:37] <rodolfo> does anyone here know something similar or equivalent to CCSM/compiz-fusion icon for kde?
[15:37] <wimpies> blueskaj : I have a recent NVIDIA 8600 or something.  So besides HW, all should be available ?
[15:38] <BluesKaj> yes wimpies , mostly everything and if not one can install ia32libs to run 32bit apps
[15:39] <wimpies> Thx
[15:40] <BluesKaj> np
[15:40] <genii> rodolfo: http://www.kde-files.org/content/show.php/Beryl-Compiz+icon?content=57419
[15:43] <DaveDorm> yo
[15:43] <DaveDorm> anyone playing with KDE4 & Kubuntu?
[15:43] <rodolfo> genii: I think you misunderstood me; I am not looking for the icon I am looking for the compiz-fusion icon or compizconfig settings manager to adjust CF settings on my KDE...
[15:43] <DaveDorm> got a beef
[15:44] <genii> rodolfo: alt-f2 then  ccsm
[15:44] <DaveDorm> trying to do simple crap, like adjusting stsyem time properties, time zone, etc
[15:44] <DaveDorm> and there is no "Administrator Mode" button in system settings anymore like in KDE3
[15:45] <DaveDorm> but the help tells me to use it... :(
[15:45] <DaveDorm> any clue?
[15:45] <rodolfo> genii: but CCSM isnt installed
[15:46] <BluesKaj> DaveDorm, check the settings tab
[15:46] <genii> rodolfo: then sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[15:47] <faTe> genii: i've done it all like on the page...but if i want to start it
[15:47] <faTe> nothing happens
[15:47] <DaveDorm> BluesKaj: don't see a settings tab
[15:47] <DaveDorm> BluesKaj: and I am not a n00b, I swear!! lol
[15:48] <genii> faTe: You did the    alt-f2   then typed in:   compiz --replace                ?
[15:48] <faTe> genii: yes, exactly after this nothing happens
[15:49] <steveny> hello:) Im on day three of ubuntu 6.06lts...yaaaayy!!!! but another question...how do I get my video card to work properly? DVD's are very choppy on a new laptop:(
[15:50] <SlimeyPete> what card?
[15:51] <steveny> notebook has an ati radeon xpress sticker....I assume that???
[15:51] <BluesKaj> !kde4 | DaveDorm
[15:51] <ubotu> DaveDorm: KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[15:51] <home2007a> anyone know about the sound card of a Dell D630
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> !ati | steveny
[15:51] <ubotu> steveny: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> try that
[15:51] <DaveDorm> aha
[15:51] <DaveDorm> tnx
[15:51] <steveny> ty very much:)
[15:51] <SlimeyPete> I think it includes a section for 6.06
[15:51] <rodolfo> genii: it worked. thank you
[15:52] <BluesKaj> home2007a, in the terminal : cat /proc/asound/cards
[15:52] <SlimeyPete> home2007a: try running lspci in a terminal, it should show your sound chipset
[15:52] <SlimeyPete> that will help you track down some advice from here, the forums or google
[15:52] <genii> rodolfo: np
[15:53] <genii> faTe: What were you expecting to happen?
[15:54] <genii> faTe: Your desktop will look basically the same. You may see an alteration of the number of Desktops in the lower right.
[15:55] <faTe> genii: there was three before the command and three after the command, i exspected something in the tray or something like this
[15:55] <faTe> so, what SHOULD happen?
[15:56] <genii> faTe: To enable desktop cube or other things, install compizconfig-settings-manager                    then alt-f2 and run ccsm
[15:57] <faTe> oke i look what i can do
[15:57] <genii> faTe: You will find more compz specific assistance in the channel #compiz-fusion
[15:58] <faTe> oek
[15:58] <faTe> oke
[16:06] <intelikey> i found the cause of the mc issue
[16:07] <intelikey> SHELL not properly set
[16:08] <genii> intelikey: Midnight Commander was doing what?
[16:08] <genii> (or not doing)
[16:08] <intelikey> couldn't execute any command
[16:09] <intelikey> just returned to the main screen
[16:09] <intelikey> i posted a pastebin on it earlier
[16:10] <genii> Ah, must have been before I arrived then
[16:11] <intelikey> yeah about two hours ago
[16:11] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/pastebin.php?dl=d35090f2e
[16:11] <intelikey> i think is it
[16:12] <intelikey> kinda hard to trouble shoot
[16:14] <genii> intelikey: Yeah that kind of output would drive me nuts, nothing informative etc
[16:14] <intelikey> yep.
[16:15] <CJari> hi
[16:15] <intelikey> CJari
[16:16] <CJari> I'm trying to use two monitors but for some reason I have to scroll across the desktop with the mouse in order to see every corner
[16:16] <CJari> is there some desktop size setting?
[16:16] <henrik_> hey there! i've got a problem... whenever I try to login via kdm, my computer just pops back to the login prompt.. I havn't got a full hd, i've removed my .kde folder in the home directory, tried installing gnome and gdm won't let me do nothing either... says it's something to do with "cannot start GTK+---- can't find /d-bus/whatever"..... can anyone help? tried google, forums...  (sry for long post)
[16:16] <intelikey> the vertual size in the xorg.conf   i don't know about the gui frontend
[16:17] <genii> CJari: Please paste result of command in Konsole: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Virtual
[16:17] <samuel> Na ihr
[16:17] <CJari> intelikey: right, I think that was changed by the screen admin program
[16:17] <samuel> Is this an english server?
[16:18] <CJari> genii: ok its: Virtual 1280    1024
[16:18] <genii> samuel: Well, the channle, yes
[16:18] <samuel> oh, thanks, i am german
[16:18] <genii> CJari: And what size is your desktop set to?
[16:18] <hungrymouse> is there any way that kubuntu can inadvertantly break a windows install? my windows partition works fine, but it refuses to boot.
[16:18] <intelikey> !de | samuel
[16:18] <ubotu> samuel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[16:18] <faTe> omfg
[16:19] <faTe> what am i doing in the english chan if theres a german one :/(
[16:19] <henrik_> anyone got a clue about my problem?
[16:19] <henrik_> :/
[16:19] <BluesKaj> henrik_, are you at the TTY prompt ?
[16:19] <henrik_> nope, had a startupscript for fluxbox
[16:20] <henrik_> so i used it
[16:20] <henrik_> started konversation
[16:20] <de4dsnake> henrik_: what id usually do in ur situation is to restore xorg.conf
[16:20] <intelikey> henrik_ maybe look at ~/.xserver-errors  ?
[16:20] <samuel> thanks, i just looked the programms in the list, its not so important, but thanks always
[16:20] <de4dsnake> but im a noob
[16:21] <CJari> genii: I dont know
[16:21] <henrik_> okay, but i think my xorg.conf is okay, havn't updated it for a while..
[16:21] <henrik_> intelikey: and from there..? you got a clue?
[16:22] <genii> CJari: Please paste result of command in Konsole: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Modes                  If there is more than a few lines of this, please use the pastebin website and not here into the channel
[16:22] <intelikey> henrik_ if ?dm is putting you at a gui login,  then it's not the xorg.conf.
[16:22] <intelikey> henrik_ yes look for errors ?
[16:22] <henrik_> i found something
[16:22] <thecronoAFK> top
[16:22] <henrik_> should i paste it?
[16:22] <thecronoAFK> oops
[16:23] <intelikey> !paste | henrik_
[16:23] <ubotu> henrik_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[16:24] <basy_> Which Subversion package do i need to install for Emerald Themer? I want the Emerald to fetch for new themes...
[16:24] <henrik_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53192/
[16:25] <hellmaster> hi everyone, im having trouble right now
[16:25] <hellmaster> apparently my cube desktop stop working
[16:25] <henrik_> so am I. :)
[16:25] <hellmaster> not sure what happend
[16:25] <anonymous5929> what is it doing? can you switch to desktops normally?
[16:26] <hellmaster> yeah but with no effects
[16:26] <jussi01> basy_: sudo aptitude install subversion
[16:26] <anonymous5929> oh ok... Try opening a terminal and typing "compiz --replace"
[16:26] <anonymous5929> see if that works...
[16:26] <intelikey> henrik_ you did visit   http://www.gtk.org/setuid.html  ?
[16:26] <hellmaster> im using kde
[16:26] <CJari> genii thanks Il try changing the virtual size
[16:26] <de4dsnake> use konsole then
[16:26] <hellmaster> and ubuntu 7.10
[16:27] <hellmaster> can use xterm no problem
[16:27] <hellmaster> its the same
[16:27] <anonymous5929> ok that'll work
[16:27] <basy_> jussi01, thanx
[16:27] <de4dsnake> hellmaster: but id suggest using alt + f2
[16:28] <henrik_> intelikey: i'm sorry, but I don't understand what that means.. :S
[16:28] <hellmaster> the command its going to uninstall some files
[16:28] <hellmaster> from gnomw
[16:28] <hellmaster> gnome
[16:28] <henrik_> intelikey: i visited the site, but I don't know what to do. :/
[16:29] <anonymous5929> compiz --replace ? It shouldnt...
[16:29] <hellmaster> no i mean the sudo
[16:29] <hellmaster> sudo aptitude install subversion
[16:30] <de4dsnake> y do u need subversion?
[16:30] <hellmaster> anyways
[16:30] <henrik_> is there a way to make a freshinstall of kubuntu without having top remove everything i.e. keeping my programs and homefolder? :)
[16:30] <anonymous5929> I think somebody was telling someone else earlier to run that
[16:30] <hellmaster> i think that wasnt for me
[16:30] <hellmaster> anyways already did the compiz but nothings
[16:30] <hellmaster> also im using kde and emerald
[16:30] <de4dsnake> well go to ure compiz setting manager
[16:30] <anonymous5929> well are there any other effects working?
[16:30] <hellmaster> emerald theme manager
[16:30] <de4dsnake> and see whether u have the cube enabled
[16:31] <de4dsnake> also use alt + tab + left/right to switch
[16:31] <hellmaster> cube is enable on compiz
[16:31] <CJari> genii: thanks for the help, it works now, I only have to scroll on the other monitor because the virtual size is less
[16:31] <anonymous5929> there is also a check box for "cube rotate", might wanna check that too
[16:31] <anonymous5929> i mean "rotate cube"
[16:32] <intelikey> henrik_ home is easy to save  installed package list is easy to generate        but it might be easier to remove gtk*  and reinstall kubuntu-desktop
[16:32] <de4dsnake> sorry i mean ctrl + alt + left/right
[16:32] <hellmaster> all the options of cube are selected
[16:32] <de4dsnake> not tab
[16:32] <hellmaster> yeah i can change desktops but no effects
[16:32] <genii> CJari: Glad to assist
[16:32] <de4dsnake> what about ctrl + alt + left mouse hold and move
[16:32] <anonymous5929> was this working before?
[16:33] <hellmaster> yes
[16:33] <hellmaster> i think ill reboot just in case
[16:33] <intelikey> henrik_ if you want to try it.    sudo apt-get --purge remove gtk* && sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop           but that doesn't explain the kde issue.
[16:33] <hellmaster> something crashed
[16:33] <hellmaster> not sure
[16:33] <anonymous5929> that might be a good idea...best of luck
[16:33] <hellmaster> thanks ill comeback
[16:34] <henrik_> intelikey: I tried setting kde to login to fluxbox by chossing that type of session, but it didn't work either
[16:34] <intelikey> "ubuntu now memics M$ windows in every way.  even frequesnt unwanted/unneeded reboots"
[16:35] <anonymous5929> lol
[16:35] <henrik_> intelikey: i'll try, i't can only go wrong xD
[16:35] <intelikey> henrik_ we must be over looking something.
[16:35] <thecronoAFK> so, my system preformance drops drasticly when ever i start doing thing, my mem/spu load is ok, but someone mentioned yesterday that it might be my video drive, and maby i have found a new bug....but anyways, i got ati restricted driver install....after whole when i have a few things running [not much]....my computer starts to go very flow and choppy
[16:35] <hungrymouse> intelikey, you NEVER need to reboot.
[16:36] <thecronoAFK> slow*
[16:36] <intelikey> henrik_ use alt+ctrl+f1  login and issue    sudo /etc/init.d/?dm stop ;startx      and see what it does
[16:36] <hungrymouse> occasionally you might need to restart X, but that takes about 5 seconds and you do it by CTRL-ALT-BKSPACE
[16:36] <henrik_> ok
[16:36] <thecronoAFK> like right now
[16:36] <henrik_> brb then :)
[16:36] <thecronoAFK> chat is moving very slow
[16:37] <thecronoAFK> windows stay blank white for almsot a minute ebfore loading
[16:37] <de4dsnake> neways ive been stuck with problem all day long, is neone around who can help me out of it? iget following message when opening any non-kde app: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple
[16:37] <henrik_> i've got fluxbox running in this session
[16:37] <henrik_> should I close it?
[16:38] <henrik_> stupid question
[16:38] <henrik_> brb^^
[16:38] <henrik_> :)
[16:38] <intelikey> hungrymouse "<hungrymouse> intelikey, you NEVER need to reboot."  i do.   more than one os and i don't do vmware.
[16:38] <intelikey> about every 5 days in fact
[16:39] <wad> I plugged in a USB memory stick, but I didn't see it come up in /media. Where should I look for the filesystem?
[16:40] <intelikey> wad cat /proc/partitions   maybe?
[16:40] <wad> Ah, thanks.
[16:40]  * wad looks
[16:40] <intelikey> may not show up there either...
[16:41] <de4dsnake> when opening any non-kde app i get: "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple" any ideas ne1?
[16:41] <intelikey> if not do   dmesg and see if the kernel even noticed the plugging
[16:42] <ksivaji> is there any risk in installing kde4 on kubuntu 7.10
[16:42] <intelikey> de4dsnake  ls /usr/lib/libgdk*    any file by that name ?
[16:42] <SlimeyPete> ksivaji: no, should be fine
[16:43] <anonymous5929> I did it just the other day and it was all good...only thing is that it seems to be lacking alot of functionality yet...
[16:43] <hungrymouse> intelikey: thats different. on the subject of that, can kubuntu inadvertently break windows? cos my windows dont wana start currently.
[16:43] <de4dsnake> intelikey: yes
[16:43] <faTe> can somebody write "nick" ???
[16:43] <intelikey> de4dsnake hmmm
[16:43] <ksivaji> nick
[16:44] <thecronoAFK> how do i install something from source?
[16:44] <ksivaji> read readme file
[16:44] <ksivaji> or install file
[16:44] <de4dsnake> thecronoAFK: usually its make something
[16:44] <thecronoAFK> make something>?
[16:45] <thecronoAFK> ive never installed anything from source btw
[16:45] <thecronoAFK> trying to get xchat
[16:45] <de4dsnake> make, make install, you gotta read the documentation. it really depends on what u want to compile
[16:45] <intelikey> apt-get source install blah   ?   if there is a package
[16:45] <olddude67> ./configure && make && make install
[16:45] <intelikey> !b-e | thecronoAFK
[16:45] <ubotu> thecronoAFK: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first)
[16:46] <intelikey> hungrymouse you can break windows from linux.   the system should NOT do that without you doing something to cause it.
[16:46] <thecronoAFK> heh, aptget had it
[16:46] <anonymous5929> :) great
[16:47] <de4dsnake> intelikey: shall i paste u the libgdk filenames i have/
[16:47] <hungrymouse> intelikey, what kind of stuff would i need to have done to do that?
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !konversatio | thecronoAFK
[16:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversatio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:47] <hungrymouse> i need to work out how to unbreak it.
[16:47] <thecronoAFK> man i hate dalophin
[16:47] <BluesKaj> oops
[16:47] <BluesKaj> !konversation | thecronoAFK
[16:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[16:47] <intelikey> hungrymouse there are several ways.
[16:47] <hungrymouse> thecronoAFK, use konqueror instead
[16:47] <BluesKaj> stupid bot !
[16:48] <intelikey> de4dsnake no.    i'm out of ideas on that.  sorry.
[16:48] <thecronoAFK> is dolphin supposed to refresh ever 5 seconds my remove ALL icons...waiting 3 seconds, then placing them back..then repeating in 5 more seconds?
[16:48] <hungrymouse> intelikey, whatever i've done makes it hang on a blank screen if i choose last known good config, and hang without clearing the screen if i choose start windows normally.
[16:48] <intelikey> !info konversation | BluesKaj
[16:48] <ubotu> blueskaj: konversation (source: konversation): user friendly Internet Relay Chat (IRC) client for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 1.0.1-4ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 5034 kB, installed size 12988 kB
[16:48] <thecronoAFK> i'm using knvorsation..its very slow and buggy
[16:49] <hungrymouse> so its not like there's something immediately obvious that i have corrupted
[16:49] <frinuxfr> I have a bug under KDE 3.5.8 I'd like to know whether it is a configuration problem or a real bug. When I want to automaticaly open a web link under KDE (from Kopete, Kontact or whatever), I want to open it in Firefox. I configured like that, but Firefox is opening a page like file:///var/tmp/kdecache-frinux/krun/, instead of the online website.
[16:49] <BluesKaj> intelikey, guess I'll have to use the info prompt from now on
[16:49] <intelikey> hungrymouse renumbering of the partitions   possably?
[16:49] <thecronoAFK> ever time a new line appears, it causes the claint to, freeze, refresh.....that lasts about 2 seconds
[16:49] <thecronoAFK> client*
[16:50] <intelikey> BluesKaj they keep removing things from the factoids   i can't keep up with it.
[16:50] <hungrymouse> intelikey nope. and it loads the partition enough to give me that Safe Mode/Last known good config/Normal Start menu
[16:50] <hungrymouse> it just cant get beyond that.
[16:50] <BluesKaj> intelikey, but why remove something as useful and popular as konversation ?...I don't get it
[16:51] <intelikey> hungrymouse but that's the boot partition isn't it ?  not the data partition where windows is actually installed  ????
[16:51] <thecronoAFK> so, my system preformance drops drasticly when ever i start doing thing, my mem/spu load is ok, but someone mentioned yesterday that it might be my video drive, and maby i have found a new bug....but anyways, i got ati restricted driver install....after whole when i have a few things running [not much]....my computer starts to go very flow and choppy
[16:51] <intelikey> BluesKaj i know.  me neither.
[16:51] <thecronoAFK> its as if i am low on resources, but top says i'm fine
[16:52] <thecronoAFK> yet everything is still super slow
[16:52] <thecronoAFK> like knvorsation chat client
[16:52] <thecronoAFK> runs at slug speed
[16:52] <thecronoAFK> if i move the window..that basicly means the program will freeze for 5 minutes
[16:52] <thomas_> anyone have a good software recomendation for ripping en encoding dvd's to xvid?
[16:52] <BluesKaj> thecronoAFK, htop should tell what's eating the resources
[16:53] <thecronoAFK> nothing is eating them
[16:53] <thecronoAFK> went through all this yesterday
[16:53] <Odd-rationale> How do I make kword be the default document editor instead of OOWriter?
[16:53] <de4dsnake> maybe the gpu is busy
[16:53] <thecronoAFK> its not my resources
[16:53] <hungrymouse> intelikey, you could be right. but i can access the partition fine from linux. anyway, doesnt matter. i'm waiting for download of vmplayer to finish and i'll see if IT can boot windows.
[16:53] <intelikey> thecronoAFK    free | grep -- '-/+     what does that say ?
[16:53] <thecronoAFK> we thought it was the graphic drivers yes
[16:54] <intelikey> hungrymouse it was only a sujestion,  not chiseled in stone you know.
[16:54] <thecronoAFK> it says nothing
[16:54] <de4dsnake> do u have ati or nvidia?
[16:54] <thecronoAFK> ati
[16:54] <de4dsnake> did u install restricted drivers?
[16:54] <intelikey> thecronoAFK in a konsole ?
[16:54] <thecronoAFK> yes
[16:54] <thecronoAFK> yes
[16:54] <coreymon77> is it just me, or does flash seem to be broken alot
[16:54] <possum_> Hello =)
[16:55] <intelikey> ok try     free | grep -- '-/+'
[16:55] <thecronoAFK> konsole jsut gave me
[16:55] <thecronoAFK> >
[16:55] <intelikey> cause i missed the closing '   sorry.
[16:55] <thecronoAFK> -/+ buffers/cache:     169480    1124708
[16:55] <thecronoAFK> my resoruces are fine
[16:55] <intelikey> ok. you are only using 170m of ram.
[16:55] <thecronoAFK> i had 5 browsers with 20 tabs each oepned yesterday..no problems..untill i actualy started moving stuff on my screen
[16:56] <thecronoAFK> then it got really slow
[16:56] <possum_> Can anyone please explain the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu for me? I know kubuntu has kde and thats what i want but i only have ubuntu 7.10 cd and cant download kubuntu.
[16:56] <intelikey> thecronoAFK try     ps -A x | wc -l
[16:56] <thecronoAFK> 95
[16:56] <intelikey> ok it's not a fork issue
[16:56] <phoenixz> Hi there, I want to scan with kooka, I have a printer / scanner combo in the network (HP laserjet 3052) which I can access with IP address 192.168.110.249  How can I configure this scanner to use in kooka?? (Its not showing right now)
[16:56] <possum_> If i use synaptic to download and install kde will that cause any problems with gnome?
[16:56] <anonymous5929> well, they use different window managers, Ubuntu uses "gnome" and kubuntu uses "kde" hold on, i'll paste some info for you
[16:56] <intelikey> possum   gnome -vs- kde
[16:56] <thecronoAFK> i know,its a grphics issue
[16:57] <intelikey> possum_ no.
[16:57] <thecronoAFK> but i don't know anythign beyond that :D
[16:57] <intelikey> thecronoAFK it could still be an i/o issue    unfortunately i don't have a handy test for that.
[16:57] <thecronoAFK> and i would like to not use the vesa drivers
[16:58] <BluesKaj> thomas_ http://f0rked.com/projects/simplerip
[16:58] <thecronoAFK> an i/o issue?
[16:58] <root__> intelikey: it did'nt go very well... same result as before
[16:58] <thecronoAFK> my computer runs windows xp about 500% better
[16:58] <thecronoAFK> it has something to do with the grphics drivers
[16:58] <thecronoAFK> don't know what else it could be
[16:59] <Syn-> when installing kubuntu and using the resize option for partitioning, does the "new partition" value I am setting mean the amount of space I am going to create for Kubuntu usage?  (just want to be sure before I continue this)
[16:59] <de4dsnake> doeos it run better without restricted drivers?
[16:59] <thecronoAFK> we spent about 4 hours yesterday trying to determine if it was resources
[16:59] <possum_> oh ok thanks for the help
[16:59] <thecronoAFK> i don't know de4, i installed restricted drivers yesterday right after i installed kubuntu
[16:59] <intelikey> thecronoAFK yes   input output    hardware access problem.     for instance.  if you have a floppy drive and you are writing to it and eject the disk the system will all but lockup  while blasting out i/o error messages
[16:59] <BluesKaj> thecronoAFK, have you enabled the restricted default drivers in system settings/advanced ?
[17:00] <thecronoAFK> intel, then it woudl effect windows aswell
[17:00] <thecronoAFK> but it doesn't
[17:00] <root__> iv'e got it says dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: EOF in dbus-launch reading adress from the bus daemon.... what to do?
[17:00] <intelikey> thecronoAFK no.  it wouldn't.
[17:00] <thecronoAFK> and why not?
[17:00] <intelikey> because M$ doesn't handle i/o in the same way that linux does
[17:00] <de4dsnake> thecronoAFK, try disabling restricted driver, maybe that will rule out whether is graphics issue
[17:00] <root__> intelikey: my username changed from henrik_ to root__ ....
[17:01] <intelikey> root__ ok what did you learn ?   from the   startx command ?
[17:01] <thecronoAFK> restarting, brb
[17:02] <intelikey> does it give an EE: message for why it doesn't start ?
[17:02] <thecronoAFK> will you guys be around in 3 hours or so?..i'ma go for a bit in an hour
[17:02] <intelikey> thecronoAFK someone will.
[17:02] <root__> say it starts up gdm, but i can'ät go anywhere from there
[17:02] <root__> if i try to login
[17:02] <genii> intelikey: I suspect XGL issues with his setup
[17:03] <root__> it just sets back to login again
[17:03] <root__> and says
[17:03] <intelikey> genii thecrono ?
[17:03] <root__> your session lasted shorter than 10 seconds
[17:03] <genii> intelikey: Yeah
[17:03] <root__> and then it refers to the paste I did earlier
[17:03] <intelikey> genii yes.  just trying to rule out all others.
[17:04] <intelikey> root__ but you did try    "startx"   didn't you ?    see gdm is not going to be as forthcomming with information as the startx script
[17:04] <root__> oh... i'll try..
[17:04] <root__> brb again
[17:05] <intelikey> ok
[17:05] <thecrono> without the ati drivers, it runs slower
[17:05] <thecrono> the windows tear apart when i move them
[17:06] <thecrono> but chat works faster lol
[17:06] <intelikey> genii what do you think on "root henrik"s problem ?   it's bound to be in userland but what ?
[17:06] <de4dsnake> so it is graphics issue then
[17:06] <thecrono> is there another ati driver?
[17:06] <genii> intelikey: Let me catch up on scroll, I have been in #ubuntu giving help ad missed the nature of the issue
[17:07] <de4dsnake> i dont know, ive got nvidia myself. but i read ati is releasing the drivers opensource
[17:07] <de4dsnake> i would expect new, decent ait drivers coming in soon
[17:07] <genii> intelikey: r give me a synopsis ;)
[17:07] <thecrono> i hope, can't run compiz on vesa
[17:07] <genii> *or
[17:07] <de4dsnake> u should also check ur xorg.conf
[17:08] <thecrono> i wonder if i can run 3d applications though
[17:08] <intelikey> genii ok.  gdm works but user login blanks back to gdm   he deleted .kde and says it's not a free space issue.
[17:08] <genii> intelikey: OK, got it
[17:08] <thecrono> i don't know how
[17:08] <coreymon77> deleted .kde
[17:08] <coreymon77> wow, thats dumb
[17:09] <intelikey> however;  i have not had him do a df or anything.  only sujested trying startx for an error message
[17:09] <intelikey> @ genii ^
[17:09] <coreymon77> why would someone delete .kde?
[17:09] <genii> intelikey: Thanks for the concise explanation :)
[17:10] <senorpedro> coreymon77: to set kde back to default, i do that quite often
[17:10] <intelikey> coreymon77 trying to get the system where they could login to kde ???
[17:10] <coreymon77> dont you ned .kde though?
[17:11] <intelikey> coreymon77 kde will make it if it's not there
[17:11] <genii> coreymon77: It is supposed to get re-created if not there
[17:11] <intelikey> that's the point
[17:11] <coreymon77> genii: since when has linux ever done what its supposed to do? :P
[17:11] <thecrono_> what do i need to check in xorg.conf
[17:12] <de4dsnake> i dont know, u need to find sum1 who knows a lot about x11
[17:12] <de4dsnake> and make him check for u
[17:12] <intelikey> genii you're up.
[17:13] <thecrono_> SlimyPete you there?
[17:13] <genii> coreymon77: I'm not gonna take the bait LOL
[17:13] <qbert> hi, is their a program that will allow me to launch applications from shortcut keys, like Ctrl-Alt-f starts firefox ?
[17:14] <intelikey> khotkeys  ?
[17:14] <genii> thecrono: Please copy whats in xorg.conf to pastebin so I can examine it
[17:14] <coreymon77> genii: what bait, i was just making a joke, lightening up the mood
[17:14] <thecrono_> how do i open it again?..from konsole
[17:15] <genii> thecrono_: Simpler: alt-f2   then: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:15] <intelikey> thecrono_ less /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[17:15] <intelikey> oppps   :)     i'll stay out of the way. heh
[17:16] <coreymon77> anyways, later guys
[17:16] <thecrono_> whatis the pastebin url?
[17:16] <genii> !paste
[17:16] <thecrono_> !pastebin
[17:16] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[17:16] <intelikey> coreymon77 shalom
[17:17] <thecrono_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53195/
[17:17] <genii> thecrono: Expect some lag from me here, I am also just starting to eat my lunch
[17:17] <genii> thecrono_: OK, reading
[17:17] <thecrono_> do you understand my problem genii?
[17:18] <MichaelSammels> Will uninstalling the kubuntu-desktop metapackage remove Gnome and Xserver?
[17:18] <MichaelSammels> And KDE?
[17:18] <jussi01> no
[17:18] <MichaelSammels> jussi01: was that to me?
[17:18] <jussi01> MichaelSammels: yes.
[17:18] <intelikey> MichaelSammels it will remove the metapackage .
[17:19] <MichaelSammels> Yay! :D It's just I tried to remove Gaim and it wanted to uninstall kubuntu-desktop
[17:19] <thecrono_> o.O
[17:19] <genii> thecrono:Your video is choppy
[17:19] <jussi01> !metapackage | MichaelSammels
[17:19] <ubotu> MichaelSammels: A meta-package is a package that simply depends upon other packages and brings them in. It's not a real package, but a very useful package that can drag in other package versions.
[17:19] <intelikey> gaim conflicts with gaim ???
[17:19] <thecrono_> yeah, moving windows tears them, and the screen refresh rate appears to be garbage
[17:19] <MichaelSammels> Thanks. :D
[17:20] <intelikey> errr kubuntu-desktop conflicts with gaim ???
[17:20] <jussi01> thecrono_: what processor do you have?
[17:20] <genii> thecrono: Also you are using some ATI card, I think I recall perhaps x1650 or such model.
[17:20] <phoenixz> Anybody on how I can configure a network scanner??
[17:20] <thecrono_> and old unrefreshed artifacts stay on my desktop afetr moving a window
[17:20] <thecrono_> 2.5ghz celeron
[17:20] <thecrono_> ati radeon x1300
[17:20] <intelikey> phoenixz possably xsane ?
[17:20] <thecrono_> using vesa drivers
[17:20] <phoenixz> intelikey, trying..
[17:20] <thecrono_> ati drivers increase the tearing and choppy ness
[17:21] <thecrono_> windows take awhile to laod, etc etc
[17:21] <genii> thecrono_: OK. And how did you last install or put the driver onto kubuntu for the ATI ? From restricted drivers, or compiled it, etc?
[17:21] <phoenixz> intelikey, says "scanning for devices" and then "no devices found"
[17:21] <phoenixz> intelikey, says "scanning for devices" and then "no devices available", sorry
[17:21] <thecrono_> restricted drivers
[17:21] <thecrono_> and restarted
[17:22] <intelikey> phoenixz  err crap.  sorry.    i don't know then.
[17:22] <thecrono_> and everything became slow/choppy/problematic
[17:22] <phoenixz> intelikey, well, you got me an idea, I'll try the #sane channel
[17:23] <intelikey> tov
[17:23] <phoenixz> intelikey, tov?
[17:23] <intelikey> good
[17:23] <de4dsnake> thecrono_: you should paste us the xorg.conf with ur ati drivers enabled
[17:23] <thecrono_> ok
[17:23] <LeeJunFan> does the most recent hardy alpha have KDE4 as default?
[17:24] <genii> thecrono_: Feel like doind some manual work?
[17:24] <genii> *doing
[17:24] <intelikey> LeeJunFan last i heard kde4 was not going to be default on hardy
[17:25] <thecrono_> yes, but,let mr restart and post xorg.conf with ati drivers installed
[17:25] <genii> thecrono: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_Catalyst_8.1_Driver_Manually
[17:25] <thecrono_> brb
[17:25] <thecrono_> well
[17:25] <thecrono_> will that change anything?
[17:26] <genii> thecrono_: There is improved composite in the later driver, etc. But restart and post your other xorg.conf, I will eat some food while you do this
[17:28] <de4dsnake> genii:  would u know how to fix "symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_type_register_static_simple" ?
[17:31] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53198/
[17:31] <genii> de4dsnake: Not offhand
[17:32] <genii> de4dsnake: May want to find the package the file is attached to and reinstall it perhaps
[17:32] <genii> thecrono: OK, reading
[17:32] <de4dsnake> i tried reinstalling, didnt work
[17:33] <genii> thecrono: I am pretty sure the glx is bogging it down, but do understand you need it for compiz
[17:33] <thecrono> i know
[17:34] <de4dsnake> as far as i remember there were other options for glx
[17:34] <de4dsnake> that work better with ati
[17:34] <genii> thecrono: Try the link I gave to install the latest driver, I will assist if you get confused or so: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_Catalyst_8.1_Driver_Manually
[17:34] <de4dsnake> do u have compiz running now?
[17:34] <thecrono> no
[17:35] <thecrono> i don't even have it yet
[17:36] <thecrono> how do i enable restricted repository?
[17:36] <de4dsnake> try using aiglx
[17:36] <genii> !restricted
[17:36] <thecrono> ?
[17:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[17:36] <genii> oh wrong link
[17:36] <intelikey> repos
[17:37] <genii> thecrono: Briefly...Add/Remove programs and check off box that has Proprietary Software
[17:38] <thecrono> check it or uncheck it?
[17:38] <thecrono> its already checked
[17:38] <genii> thecrono: It should have X in the box
[17:38] <thecrono> yeah it does
[17:39] <genii> thecrono: Also go to Edit Software Sources button bottom left
[17:40] <thecrono> Uninstall previous fglrx: Using Synaptic, completely remove any packages containing "fglrx" in their name.  <--how do i do that?
[17:40] <thecrono> ok
[17:40] <jazzles> hi there
[17:40] <jazzles> is anyone here still using dapper drake, or have you all upgraded already?
[17:40] <BluesKaj> thecrono, another way is to : Open adept package manager, On the menu of that screen you will want to click on Adept -> Manage  Repositories. Click the Kubuntu software tab,check all the boxes "X". The same goes for the third party software tab. Close,and then in the terminal "sudo apt-get update".Now you have more sources for applications other than the defaults that came with Kubuntu
[17:40] <The_Machine> how to fix firefox downloads dialog - stuff like "Open" and "Open destination folder" don't work?
[17:41] <The_Machine> sorry jazzles upgraded here
[17:41] <intelikey> thecrono maybe   sudo apt-get remove --purge fglrx*    ???
[17:41] <hellmaster> hi im still having problems
[17:41] <hellmaster> where was that i can turn extras on in my desktop
[17:41] <hellmaster> i forgot
[17:41] <thecrono> um..apt-get wants my kubuntu cd?
[17:42] <thecrono> what if i don't have one?
[17:42] <aleksanteri> thecrono, remove the cdrom entry lines from /etc/apt/sources.list
[17:42] <thecrono> how do i do that?
[17:42] <intelikey> press enter and forget it
[17:42] <jazzles> thecrono, remove it as a source
[17:42] <jazzles> thecrono, you can do it through adept
[17:42] <genii> thecrono: Also in the Software Sources bottom panel you can uncheck where it lists the cdrom
[17:43] <genii> thecrono: Anyhow, after that your restricted repos should be fine
[17:43]  * BluesKaj backs off ...too many repository cooks :)
[17:43] <tlayton> !kernel-image-rt
[17:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kernel-image-rt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[17:43] <vbatts> heal
[17:43] <The_Machine> also, w/ Dolphin - how come i can't slide the Name/Size/Date boxes to make them shorter/longer?
[17:43] <vbatts> oops
[17:44] <thecrono> add remove programs crasxhed
[17:44] <genii> thecrono: So in the Adept search panel put fglrx and remove/uncheck whatever it lists with that in the results
[17:44] <hellmaster> excuse me , im using ubuntu 7.10 where was the option to select extras for my desktop
[17:44] <hellmaster> ?
[17:44] <thecrono> i'm still trying to add soruces
[17:44] <thecrono> it keeps crashing
[17:45] <genii> thecrono: Hmm. That sounds like some other issue entirely then
[17:45] <intelikey> blueskaj     yeah i offered an alternative to the synaptic command and his error got fourty-leven responces.
[17:45] <thecrono> i closed knsole, but my cd rom is still being used
[17:45] <thecrono> fourty-leven?
[17:45] <thecrono> wow
[17:45] <tlayton> anybody know which is the preferred kernel for 2.6.24:  generic or rt?
[17:46] <intelikey> thecrono yeah that's long hand for too many
[17:46] <genii> thecrono: OK, go to Konsole,:   sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list     and put a # in front of the cdrom entry              then ctrl-x,   Y,     Enter
[17:46] <BluesKaj> fortyleven=51
[17:46] <BluesKaj> :)
[17:47] <intelikey> BluesKaj no you don't add them it's a whole number 4011
[17:47] <intelikey> :)
[17:47] <thecrono> now what?
[17:47] <genii> thecrono: I'm away a minute or so but returning
[17:48]  * BluesKaj is behind in the  the digital age curve
[17:48] <genii> thecrono: sudo apt-get update                   then go back to Adept and search for fglrx
[17:49] <hellmaster> can anyone help me?
[17:49] <genii> thecrono: uninstall whatever fglrx results it gives that are currently installed. then continue with the instructions at cchtml page
[17:49] <hellmaster> its a simple problem
[17:50] <thecrono> could not get lock
[17:50] <thecrono> for sudo apt-get update
[17:50] <JoshOvki> hey thecrono
[17:50] <thecrono> hey
[17:50] <intelikey> thecrono you have adept or synaptic or something open...
[17:51] <thecrono> i dion't
[17:51] <JoshOvki> thecrono: you been working on this all day?
[17:51] <falcon747> may someone help me?
[17:51] <thecrono> two days
[17:51] <falcon747> may someone help me?
[17:51] <falcon747> may someone help me?
[17:51] <JoshOvki> didnt we talk earlier?
[17:51] <intelikey> falcon747 not if you repete to much
[17:51] <intelikey> falcon747 not if you repete to much
[17:51] <falcon747> mozilla, real player plugin
[17:51] <falcon747> may someone help me? with real player plugin
[17:52] <hellmaster> im having problems where my cube desktop is not working, i think i turned off the extras
[17:52] <hellmaster> can someone tell me how do i get to that screen to check the box
[17:52] <hellmaster> or the command line
[17:52] <JoshOvki> falcon747:   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods
[17:52] <unxu> hellmaster, launch beryl-manager
[17:53] <JoshOvki> google is your friend
[17:53] <MonctonJoe> used to be mine
[17:53] <hellmaster> launch?
[17:53] <MonctonJoe> till he tried to sleep with my girl
[17:53] <unxu> xD
[17:53] <hellmaster> its says command not found
[17:53]  * MonctonJoe slaps google around a bit
[17:53] <JoshOvki> lol
[17:53] <genii> thecrono: Ah, when Adept crashed it must have left it's lockfile. so
[17:53] <unxu> yes, launch it, you take your PC and take it out off the window
[17:53] <unxu> ...
[17:53] <genii> !adeptfix| thecrono
[17:53] <ubotu> thecrono: If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[17:53] <unxu> launch=execute
[17:54] <JoshOvki> ok google is a whore
[17:54] <hellmaster> beryl-manager command  not found
[17:54] <intelikey> JoshOvki yes.
[17:54] <thecrono> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[17:54] <genii> thecrono: Then proceed again with: sudo apt-get update                       then open up Adept once more and do the fglrx search/remove process, etc
[17:55] <hellmaster> ive been working with linux for a few weeks only
[17:55] <genii> thecrono: Did you open another Adept window already? If so close it
[17:55] <thecrono> no
[17:56] <unxu> well hellmaster, are you using Beryl or Compiz?
[17:56] <genii> thecrono: And you did the: sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a                           ?
[17:56] <thecrono> yes, it couldn't doa nything
[17:57] <thecrono> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[17:57] <genii> thecrono: OK 1 sec then
[17:58] <JoshOvki> is there a task manager build into kubuntu or is it only ubuntu?
[17:58] <hellmaster> emerald
[17:58] <hellmaster> Im using Emerald
[17:58] <genii> thecrono: ps ax|grep adept           <-- does this show a result?
[17:59] <hellmaster> i tried this command used to work compiz --replace && emerald --replace
[17:59] <hellmaster> but didnt work
[17:59] <thecrono>  5465 ?        S      0:07 adept_notifier
[17:59] <thecrono>  6273 pts/2    R+     0:00 grep adept
[17:59] <hellmaster> i need to go to the window where i selected extras for my desktop
[17:59] <thecrono> i need to go for about an hour
[17:59] <hellmaster> extra graphics and effects
[17:59] <hellmaster> dont remember how to get there
[17:59] <thecrono> you'll be around?
[17:59] <genii> thecrono: OK. so:     sudo kill 5465
[18:00] <unxu> have you tried in kcontrol?
[18:00] <genii> thecrono: I'll be here another 3.4 -4 hours
[18:00] <BluesKaj> JoshOvki, KCron
[18:00] <thecrono> ok
[18:00] <thecrono> bbl
[18:01] <genii> intelikey: I think you're paying for my next next coffee ;)
[18:02] <JoshOvki> BluesKaj isnt tat a Cron manager?
[18:02]  * intelikey refuses to respond.    <<maybe they wont notice i'm still here>>
[18:02] <JoshOvki> for scedualed tasks
[18:02] <BluesKaj> task scheduler
[18:02] <JoshOvki> not a task manager, for managing running tasts :P
[18:02] <hellmaster> i launch compiz
[18:03] <hellmaster> but where was it?
[18:03] <BluesKaj> !task
[18:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about task - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[18:03] <genii> !cron
[18:03] <ubotu> cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[18:03] <unxu> press Alt+F2 and write kcontrol, I think it was under System administration
[18:03] <intelikey> don't forget "at" for one time runs.
[18:04] <JoshOvki> brb, needa iron a shirt
[18:04] <faTe> hey
[18:04] <BluesKaj> JoshOvki, do you mean package manager ?
[18:04] <intelikey> cron for repeted timed runs   and at for a one off timed run
[18:05] <BluesKaj> too many managers !
[18:05] <intelikey> maybe.   but those two facilites have be the backbone of linux task-schedualing from the onset
[18:06]  * genii sips a coffee and examines the funky blue wallpaper in #kubuntu
[18:06]  * intelikey notices genii is still around and hides again.
[18:06] <phoenixz> If I make changes to the crontab, do I have to restart the cron deamon??
[18:07] <intelikey> no
[18:07] <hellmaster> not there
[18:07] <hellmaster> i remember there where 4 option
[18:07] <hellmaster> the last 2 where extras and custom
[18:07] <hellmaster> i dont remember where was it
[18:07] <hellmaster> uggh
[18:07] <josh__> whoooooop just installed kubuntu
[18:07] <unxu> how about KMenu? (sorry,..I'm not sure because I don't use Emerald)
[18:07] <josh__> its the sickness
[18:07] <hellmaster> thats where i turn on all the effects
[18:08] <phoenixz> Mediapirate, okay, whats your problem... How may we be of assistance today?
[18:09] <Mediapirate> oh no sorry phoenixz thanks for you help mate but i'm good
[18:09] <intelikey> !effects
[18:09] <ubotu> Desktop Effects are supported on graphics cards that use the default Intel and ATI drivers and the restricted !NVIDIA drivers, except for the following, which are blacklisted due to stability/compatibility issues: Intel 965, ATI Rs480 and Rv350, ATI Mobility x300, x600 and x700 - Join #compiz-fusion for anything not officially supported by Ubuntu
[18:09] <intelikey> hellmaster ^
[18:10] <hellmaster> i was using the effects and apparently i pressed some combination of keys by accident and turned them off
[18:11] <hellmaster> im at the compiz manager
[18:11] <hellmaster> but dont rememeber in wich part was that option
[18:11] <intelikey> #compiz-fusion
[18:12] <intelikey> maybe someone in there can show you
[18:13] <Mediapirate> does k3b often cause ppls computers to crash?
[18:13] <The_Machine> it shouldn't
[18:13] <The_Machine> you mean X
[18:13] <The_Machine> or the whole OS?
[18:13] <intelikey> i used it one time.  it didn't crash me.
[18:13]  * The_Machine uses it every day
[18:14] <Mediapirate> err the whole OS
[18:14] <Mediapirate> after like 5mins it was ok again
[18:15] <Mediapirate> so i use gnomebaker now
[18:16] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, sometimes K3B is confused by unusually poorly constructed codecs or sonydvd-r disks
[18:16] <Mediapirate> ok well i was using verbatim discs
[18:16]  * genii hisses at Sony
[18:16] <Mediapirate> oh well its ok
[18:17] <BluesKaj> yeah, i made the mistake of letting wife buy sony dvdrw disks ...they don't work on pcs
[18:18] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, if you have an xvid avi file , then K3B can be confused by that as well
[18:18] <Mediapirate> what do they work on blueskaj?
[18:18] <Mediapirate> err well i was burning an iso of kubuntu 64bit for my mate
[18:19] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, the consumer stand alone dvd recorders
[18:20] <BluesKaj> uhoh Mediapirate , that should work :P
[18:20] <kaminix> Hi guys. I just fscked my problem disk (500GB, needed to get more memory to be able to run fsck). Anyway, it's now cloning inodes or something. First it did two inodes with one block each, now it's working on an inode with over a million blocks. If each block takes the same time to fix it ought to take abot 2/3 year to finnish this. :s What should I do? :s
[18:21] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, di you do checksum of the ISO first , just be sure ?
[18:21] <genii> kaminix: The drive was ext2 or ext3?
[18:22] <BluesKaj> di=did
[18:22] <kaminix> genii: ext3
[18:22] <genii> kaminix: Was it part of a raid1 setup?
[18:22] <Mediapirate> errr no
[18:23] <kaminix> genii: Nope, just a simple USB drive. MyBook Essential 500GB
[18:24] <genii> kaminix: Ah, OK. Could be going kaput then. I've seen 3 like that now
[18:24] <genii> (the WD MyBooks)
[18:25] <kaminix> I've had problems using fsck on it before. It still works fine, except some non-daily functions like df -h, fsck etc.
[18:25] <genii> kaminix: Do you have sync  as a mount option?
[18:26] <kaminix> Not sure genii, why?
[18:28] <genii> kaminix: For removable drives "sync" is better than "defaults" which has "nosync" for an option. Sync means not to leave any unwritten blocks of data around in computer buffer. So all is written to disk then tidied up right when you do it. So yanking the drive does not result in corrupt/unfinished disk writes
[18:28] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, stating the obvious, but I have to ask this: did you choose "Burn DVD ISO Image" on K3B ?
[18:28] <kaminix> genii: Thanks, that I have needed to know for quite awhile ^^
[18:29] <Mediapirate> yes blueskaj i did.  Oh well not to worry
[18:29] <Mediapirate> my mate whats to know how you "change resolution in the console"?
[18:30] <Mediapirate> he thinks he knows but want to know if there is an easier way
[18:30] <BluesKaj> Mediapirate, sometimes it won't work cuz the ISO is a CD ISO image, not a DVD ISO ... silly but true
[18:30] <Mediapirate> ok thanks mate
[18:31] <intelikey> Mediapirate svgatextmode    set that up and you can change console rez on the fly
[18:32] <Mediapirate> thanks
[18:33] <intelikey> i wouldn't use fbcon with it though   no need adding confusion to the display hardware
[18:34] <sebastian^> good morning folks
[18:34] <intelikey> sebastian^
[18:35] <Mediapirate> thanks intel_ikey
[18:35] <intelikey> heh.  welcome
[18:36] <BluesKaj> morning in germany ?...hmm it's afternoon here in eastern canada :)
[18:36] <intelikey> late morning you know...
[18:36]  * BluesKaj in a timewarp
[18:37] <BluesKaj> BBL , gotta run some errands
[18:37] <Mediapirate> kk
[18:37] <kaminix> lol, it's eight in the evening in Germany :p
[18:38] <intelikey> well maybe "really really really early morning" then
[18:38] <Mediapirate> no its only 7:38 in germany
[18:38] <Mediapirate> pm
[18:38] <kaminix> Haha, works
[18:38] <kaminix> I know.
[18:38] <Mediapirate> ;-P
[18:38] <hellmaster> my system crashed
[18:38] <hellmaster> damn it
[18:38] <hellmaster> still no effects on
[18:39]  * kaminix is Swedish, same time zone
[18:39] <intelikey> yeah
[18:39] <Mediapirate> Err i think it is yea
[18:40] <tekstacy> !apt-fix
[18:40] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:40] <Mediapirate> my mate says "svgatextmode command not found"?
[18:41] <intelikey> !info svgatextmode
[18:41] <ubotu> svgatextmode (source: svgatextmode): enable higher resolution text modes. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.9-18 (gutsy), package size 341 kB, installed size 884 kB
[18:41] <intelikey>                      ^
[18:41] <whitby> !apt-fix
[18:41] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[18:41] <hellmaster> what was the channel for compiz?
[18:41] <Mediapirate> thx
[18:41] <Mediapirate> everyone
[18:42] <intelikey> Mediapirate the command is stm    and the config is /etc/Textmode   i think
[18:42] <Mediapirate> he says "i set my res too high"
[18:42] <hellmaster> does anyone remember where to turn all effects on on kubuntu? is where you can choose to have all extras turn on or off for better performance
[18:42] <intelikey> set it lower
[18:43] <hellmaster> it in the ccsm
[18:43] <whitby> Oh, thank you tekstacy, you are soooo smart. And cute too.....
[18:43] <hellmaster> but can find the window
[18:43] <tekstacy> Awww, thank you
[18:43] <tekstacy> :)  sorry, couldn't resist
[18:45] <intelikey> hellmaster kdostartupconfig ?
[18:45] <Mediapirate> he needs to know how you lower the resolution in txt mode?
[18:45] <ibou> i can't open some videos on internet. When i right click on the window integrated to the web page i see some tools for kaffeine
[18:46] <[ifr0g]> [80936.354050] zd1211rw 5-1:1.0: firmware version 4725
[18:46] <[ifr0g]> [80936.395940] zd1211rw 5-1:1.0: zd1211b chip 0ace:1215 v4810 high 00-18-6e AL2230_RF pa0 ---NS
[18:46] <[ifr0g]> [80936.398749] zd1211rw 5-1:1.0: eth1
[18:46] <[ifr0g]> But i have no eth1 ..
[18:46] <Mediapirate> ?
[18:46] <[ifr0g]> iwconfig shows eth2
[18:47] <intelikey> hellmaster or is it    kstartupconfig
[18:47] <intelikey> i don't remember
[18:47] <ojpitre> \quit
[18:48] <intelikey> other way  ?
[18:48] <intelikey>  /
[18:48] <genii> [ifr0g]: Try sudo ifup eth1  and see if it works
[18:49] <genii> or sudo ifconfig eth1 up
[18:49] <[ifr0g]> Ignoring unknown interface eth1=eth1
[18:49] <[ifr0g]> eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device
[18:50] <intelikey> ifconfig -a   is there an eth1 listed ?
[18:50] <intelikey> remember that the first eth is eth0
[18:51] <[ifr0g]> there is a eth0 and the2
[18:51] <[ifr0g]> eth2*
[18:51] <[ifr0g]> no eth1
[18:51] <intelikey> then it's eth2 you want
[18:51] <intelikey> i'll back out and let y'all finish
[18:52] <Mediapirate> what do ppl use for p2p on here?
[18:52] <Mediapirate> azeurus?
[18:53] <intelikey> i kinda wish someone would squelch  pool-71-100-100-243.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net    i've see that part message enough for one day
[18:54] <intelikey> hellmaster was one of those what you were looking for ?
[18:56] <[ifr0g]> i cant seem to scan for the ad-hoc i created..
[18:56] <snarkster> does anyone here know anything about smb4k?
[18:56] <[ifr0g]> dmesg says : [80936.508183] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth2: link is not ready
[18:56] <juanito> ola
[18:57] <snarkster> Im trying to get some stuff off a windows box, but can only get so far in before I cant see anything in the folder. I have shared the entire system drive (c:).
[18:58] <snarkster> and when i run smb4k as root i get ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Cant't determine DISPLAY. Aborting
[19:00] <tekteen> snarkster: use the option -display :0
[19:00] <ScorpKing> hiya guys
[19:00] <tekteen> ScorpKing: hi
[19:01] <intelikey> or export DISPLAY=':0'  and then try it.
[19:01] <tekteen> intelikey: ty
[19:02] <ScorpKing> anyone know if a supported scanner is supposed to work with the default install or are there more things to be installed? kooka sees the scanner but it doesn't scan
[19:02] <intelikey> tekteen i just found out that startkde doesn't support --display    or single - for that matter  has to be exported first
[19:02] <genii> ScorpKing: Sometimes you need something like sane-backends
[19:02] <tekteen> ok
[19:02] <tekteen> intelikey: interesting
[19:03] <ScorpKing> genii: ah ok. thanks :)
[19:03] <genii> or libsane-extras
[19:03] <snarkster> ok i tried -display :0 and got this
[19:03] <snarkster> smb4k -display :0Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: No protocol specifiedkdeinit: Can't connect to the X Server.kdeinit: Might not terminate at end of session.Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverXlib: No protocol specifiedkded: cannot connect to X server :0kded: ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!kded: ERROR: Communication problem with kded, it probably crashed.Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by serverX
[19:03] <snarkster> o X server :0ERROR: KUniqueApplication: Registering failed!ERROR: Communication problem with smb4k, it probably crashed
[19:03] <snarkster> sorry didnt realize it was that long
[19:04] <ScorpKing> genii: neither sane-utils or libsane-extras is installed. only libsane seems to be installed by default.
[19:05] <genii> ScorpKing: sane-utils is useful because it provides cli tools which are good for debugging
[19:06] <genii> ScorpKing: Or that may be the libsane-extras        ... i get the names confused from the ubuntu packages and the apps which are provided
[19:07] <genii> whichever provides scanimage et at
[19:07] <ScorpKing>  genii: i see. thanks for the info ;) aptitude search sane shows them all
[19:08] <intelikey> yuch.  i just started kde     all fonts were default  size 9     at least i knew how to kcontrol adjust all fonts size to 16   now it's readable
[19:09] <[ifr0g]> !3com
[19:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3com - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[19:09] <intelikey> that may be the first time i have ever seen the completely default kubuntu-desktop    </shivers>
[19:10] <genii> ScorpKing: So if you have scanimage, you can do: scanimage -L    for instance
[19:10] <snarkster> thanx for your help. later
[19:12] <ScorpKing> genii: i can't do much now. will have a look this weekend. internet connection is too slow to ssh into that box and it's about 18km away.
[19:12] <genii> ScorpKing: Ah, OK. I'll likely be around
[19:13] <ScorpKing> genii: i should manage but if not, i'll be here :)
[19:13] <intelikey> what's that command to make the xserver permiscuous ?
[19:13] <intelikey> xset something ???
[19:18] <thecrono>  hello
[19:18] <thecrono> genii?
[19:18] <genii> thecrono: Yes ?
[19:19] <genii> ;)
[19:19] <thecrono> you rememebr where we were?
[19:19] <genii> intelikey: Do you mean shared screen or so?
[19:19] <thecrono> also, does ark support .part files?
[19:19] <genii> thecrono: Yes, we were trying to unstick Adept so you could remove all the fglrx stuff before continuing to next step of installing new ati drivers
[19:19] <thecrono> i got 4 700mb .part files
[19:20] <thecrono> ah yes, how do i do that again?
[19:20] <tekteen> thecrono: then just cat them together
[19:20] <thecrono> i did the sudo kill ####
[19:20] <thecrono> what's after that?
[19:20] <thecrono> 5465*
[19:21] <tekteen> thecrono: in a konsole type cat FILE1.part FILE2.part > FULL-FILE
[19:21] <genii> thecrono: Open Adept now and search for fglrx. Make sure you un-install things there which are installed
[19:21] <psycose>  hello, i tried to install the KDE env. from a Kubuntu live CD on a Ubuntu OS. (all gutsy) i did not succeed using apt-cdrom ...!! Some says it would work if i use an alternate ubuntu CD . Is this info real ? thanks
[19:21] <tekteen> put all of the .part files there
[19:21] <genii> thecrono: Then back to http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Gutsy_Installation_Guide#Method_2:_Install_the_Catalyst_8.1_Driver_Manually
[19:22] <intelikey> shalom to all.    i left.
[19:22] <thecrono> is there any way to put kubuntu into permanate admin mode, so i don't have to type a password for ever single command?
[19:23] <thecrono> well, i got a problem..adept foudn two fglrx and both were not installed
[19:23] <renegade_> thecrono. I dont know about kunbuntu but in some distro you can login simply as root
[19:23] <renegade_> with a root passwd
[19:24] <thecrono> i select things lsited as 'installed' and required remove genii?
[19:24] <thecrono> xorg-video-driver was listed as installed for fglrx
[19:24] <snowdonkey> Hi.  My Gateway ML6720 laptop has a Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 graphics card that's supposed to use the "i810" drivers, however X fails to start.  I get the warning "I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1)".  Here's my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/m4b09751
[19:24] <genii> thecrono: Just the ones which have actually fglrx in the name for now
[19:25] <thecrono> well fglrx has 4 results, none installed.hows that?
[19:25] <genii> thecrono: Thats fine then. So exit the package manager
[19:26] <thecrono> i did: sudo apt-get install build-essential fakeroot dh-make debhelper debconf libstdc++5 dkms
[19:26] <thecrono> and its going
[19:26] <thecrono> it still wants my gibbon cdrom
[19:26] <thecrono> :/
[19:26] <thecrono> i don't have a gibbon cdrom
[19:26] <genii> thecrono: So then hit ctrl-c to interrupt it
[19:27] <psycose>  hello, i tried to install the KDE env. from a Kubuntu live CD on a Ubuntu OS. (all gutsy) i did not succeed using apt-cdrom ...!! Some says it would work if i use an alternate Kubuntu CD . Is this info accurate ? thanks
[19:27] <thecrono> trial and error psycose
[19:27] <thecrono> try the alternate then ask
[19:27] <genii> thecrono: cat  /etc/apt/sources.list            and put the reults of that into pastebin please
[19:27] <thecrono> :D
[19:27] <riyaadh> hey all, im very new to kubuntu...i would like to ask where i can find desktop themes and how do i install it?
[19:27] <genii> !paste
[19:27] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[19:28] <genii> !theme
[19:28] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[19:28] <riyaadh> awesme! thanks
[19:28] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53207/
[19:29] <genii> thecrono: Reading
[19:29] <thecrono> Ma Salaam riyaadh
[19:29] <thecrono> k
[19:29] <psycose> thecrono: please excuse me, i want to ask before try, that is the power of the knowledge... if you don't know don't answer ;-)
[19:29] <thecrono> np, thouhg, i don't know the answer
[19:29] <thecrono> maby genii does
[19:30] <genii> thecrono: Put a # at the beginning of line 6   open it with:    sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[19:30] <genii> thecrono: Then after putting the # ctrl-x then Y then Enter
[19:30] <thecrono> they need to get a universe copy/paste hotkey...each program i have uses a diffrent method of copy/paste..and none work together
[19:31] <genii> psycose: Yes, the alternate or dvd can be used as a mini-repository with apt-cdrom   but not the usual one since the livecd part takes too much room on the cd
[19:32] <thecrono> y
[19:32] <thecrono> its downlaoding now..appears to have worked
[19:32] <genii> thecrono: Good, finally we are progressing
[19:32] <thecrono> yay!
[19:33] <psycose> genii: thanks for your response !!!
[19:33] <thecrono> i am doing this and wanting compiz, bnecause i want to start leanring code so i can change the KDe layout drasticly..starting with python
[19:33] <genii> psycose: Anytime
[19:33] <thecrono> already have an idea i want to try...even though i know jack about python lol
[19:33] <genii> thecrono: Work needs me a minute or three but I'll be around. If you get hung up on the tutorial wait til i get back and we'll go rom there
[19:34] <thecrono> ok
[19:37] <Vermux> is there a bug in the graphics when uploading the gusty live dvd?
[19:39] <Guits> Hi all Iam new to linux and tryig stuff....
[19:39] <genii> thecrono: OK, back. Any progress?
[19:39] <Guits> sometimes everything hangs
[19:40] <Guits> is there some keys to press to get out of it?
[19:40] <genii> Vermux: Depends on the video card. i810 don't like vesa driver for instance
[19:40] <Limbeaux> is there a kde mail client similar to evolution that will connect to an ms exchange server?
[19:41] <genii> Guits: If it's a graphical app freezing try ctrl-alt-esc then put it on frozen window and click
[19:41] <genii> Guits: If in commandline try ctrl-c
[19:41] <Guits> the whole desktop  freezez
[19:41] <Guits> but the mouse
[19:42] <genii> Guits: when you do ctrl-alt-esc   you should get a big X or a skull and crossbones for the cursor which will kill any window you put it on. so if a certain window is freezing things this will close it forcibly
[19:43] <genii> thecrono: Alive over there?
[19:43] <thecrono> um yeah
[19:44] <Guits> i have tried that but no big x
[19:44] <thecrono> was talking about how the grizzly man was eaten :O
[19:44] <thecrono> how do i create deb packages?
[19:45] <genii> thecrono: Ah, that nut who went to go live with them, yeah
[19:45] <thecrono> is that the: sh ati-driver-installer-8-01-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy    command?
[19:45] <genii> thecrono: Yes
[19:45] <thecrono> he shoulda had a gun
[19:45] <thecrono> him and his girl friend were eaten
[19:45] <genii> thecrono: use bash instead of sh there hwever
[19:45] <thecrono> by the very bear they were talking about a few days before
[19:45] <thecrono> bash atiblah blah>?
[19:46] <genii> thecrono: Exactly, yes
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: probably want to put a sudo on that
[19:46] <thecrono> thecrono@Neckron-Ninty-Nine:~$ bash ati-driver-installer-8-01-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/gutsy
[19:46] <thecrono> bash: ati-driver-installer-8-01-x86.x86_64.run: No such file or directory
[19:47] <thecrono> i did the previous step and it went back to the prompted
[19:47] <thecrono> i asume it was done?
[19:47] <genii> thecrono: Are you in the same dir you downloaded ati-driver-installer-8-01-x86.x86.run   into?
[19:47] <thecrono> ah, i need to downlaod it
[19:48] <thecrono> haven'rt dl it yet
[19:48] <thecrono> its in /home/technical/
[19:48] <thecrono> how do i point it there?
[19:48]  * genii slaps thecrono lightly on the wrist
[19:48] <thecrono> //home/technical/  *
[19:48] <thecrono> three slashes
[19:48] <thecrono> not two
[19:48] <thecrono> w/e anyways lol
[19:49] <thecrono> itas downlaoded
[19:49] <genii> thecrono: You downloaded the file to a network drive ?
[19:49] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: cd /home/technical"
[19:49] <genii> nvm
[19:49] <thecrono> no,to /home/
[19:49] <genii> thecrono: Ah, then:  cd ~
[19:49] <thecrono> oh yeah, i got a question, i was looking at my partitions, and ti said two were disabled....
[19:49] <thecrono> and it said they were locked
[19:49] <thecrono> couldn't enable them
[19:49] <genii> thecrono: One thing at a time :)
[19:50] <thecrono> now what?
[19:50] <genii> thecrono: does:  ls                    show the right file there?
[19:50] <thecrono> thecrono@Neckron-Ninty-Nine:~$ ls
[19:50] <thecrono> Desktop  Emulators  Technical
[19:51] <thecrono> already got my emulators on there :D
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: you need to "cd Technical" and yes, linux is case sensitve
[19:52] <thecrono> one quick question..is there anyway to make xchat black background with white letters...its hurting my eyes with whtie bakcground rgey l;etters
[19:54] <genii> nosrednaekim: Odd that cd ~ would dump in /home and not /home/name
[19:54] <nosrednaekim> woah... thats odd
[19:54] <thecrono> err..oen sec..blakc text black background
[19:54] <Mediapirate|AWAY> Is ther an inbuilt firewell in linux?
[19:55] <thecrono> ok, its good
[19:55] <tekteen> Mediapirate: yes
[19:55] <tekteen> Mediapirate: it is called iptables
[19:55] <tekteen> !firewall
[19:55] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[19:55] <thecrono> i installed that appl btw
[19:55] <tekteen> I sugg. guard dog
[19:56] <oem> HI everybody!
[19:56] <genii> thecrono: So the directory Technical is actually located globally someplace like /home/yourusername/Technical          ?
[19:56] <thecrono> its /home/technical/
[19:56] <thecrono> nothign is above home
[19:56] <thecrono> er, well, system stuff is
[19:57] <thecrono> like etc, src etc etc
[19:57] <oem> I have just installed Kubuntu on my laptop and I ve forgot the adm passwd i ve set. is there any way to reset it or will i have to reinstall everythiing?
[19:57] <genii> thecrono: You have a user whose login name is "technical"
[19:57] <genii> ?
[19:57] <thecrono> no
[19:57] <thecrono> thecrono is the only user
[19:57] <thecrono> i created the folder technical
[19:57] <thecrono> for..technical stuff
[19:57] <thecrono> instead of throwing it onto /home/
[19:58] <Mediapirate> How do i forward a port in linux firewall? or isn't it that sorta firewall
[19:58] <thecrono> kdesu kate /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules-common
[19:59] <thecrono> that next right?
[19:59] <thecrono> to blacklist old drivers
[19:59] <oem> Pliz Help me guyss!!
[19:59] <genii> thecrono: Hmm. OK. at any rate, go into the directory the ati file is at. like:    cd Technical              if it showed there when you did the  ls     commmand
[19:59] <thecrono> 1 .run 1.changes. and 4.debs
[20:00] <thecrono> if it showed there?
[20:00] <thecrono> do you want me to copypasta?
[20:00] <oem> I cant remember the adm passwd i ve set how can I reset a new one.
[20:00] <thecrono> ouch oem
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> !root | oem
[20:00] <ubotu> oem: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth... there is no root password. Then you will see that it is 'sudo' that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[20:00] <thecrono> there is no spoon
[20:00] <nosrednaekim> oem: well, you can do "sudo passwd root"
[20:02] <thecrono> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53211/
[20:02] <thecrono> genii
[20:02] <bbm4n> hello does anyone knows a walkaround ktorrent error "error reading past the end of file?"
[20:03] <oem> actually I am not looking for the root pauz ifd sswd but the passwd for my account "oem". Cauz I cant do anything without it, no update, or activation of restricted drivers etC...
[20:03] <earthcreed> bbm4n: I had to many errors with ktorrent,  I went to bittornado, no gui.
[20:03] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: looks good
 thanks :) i will do the same i suppose
[20:04] <thecrono> fglrx has been blacklisted
[20:05] <oem> even and even if I do "passwd oem" it ask me the current passwd
[20:05] <thecrono> getit command not found???
[20:06] <jpatrick> thecrono: "kate"
[20:06] <jpatrick> !editors > thecrono
[20:06] <thecrono> sudo kate /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-restricted   <-----that isntead?
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> oem: ah... then do a chroot from a liveCD
[20:07] <earthcreed> oem: or boot into single user mode.
[20:07] <thecrono> hrm, it said put a # infront of blacklist-restricted..but..the file is empty
[20:07] <earthcreed> oem: sulogin is patched to let you in as root.
[20:07] <jpatrick> !kdesudo | thecrono
[20:07] <ubotu> thecrono: In KDE, use « kdesudo <program> » (Gutsy) or « kdesu <program> » (Feisty and earlier) to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why)
[20:08] <thecrono> i know
[20:08] <thecrono> You may also need to edit the file (if it exists):
[20:08] <thecrono> sudo gedit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-restricted
[20:08] <thecrono> Put a # in front of the line "blacklist fglrx", if it is present. Otherwise, the kernel module will not load automatically, and you will not get 3D acceleration.
[20:08] <thecrono> that file is empty
[20:09] <earthcreed> oem: when you reboot your computer follow these instructions
[20:09] <earthcreed> oem: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53212/
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: from what I remember, the file is actually /etc/default/linux-restricted-common
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: this is the ati installer right?
[20:10] <earthcreed> oem: Then reset the password for your user.
[20:10] <thecrono> i'm doing the manual install of the new drivers
[20:10] <val0> hey, do you guys/gals know what the big difference between the restricted Nvidia driver that comes with ubuntu and the one you d/l from the nvidia site? I've noticed that with the restricted driver that I get from ubuntu I can't detect my monitor properly and that it doesn't come with the Nvidia config manager
[20:10] <thecrono> yes
[20:10] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: right.... well then the file I just mentionedis the correct one
[20:10] <earthcreed> val0: Nvidia's drivers are usually newer.
[20:11] <thecrono> k
[20:11] <oem> Thanks earthcreed. I am goingg to try that!!
[20:11] <ibou> when i try to configure the opengl driver on the xine motor of kaffeine, i have an error message: impossible to initialize the new video driver opengl
[20:11] <thecrono> that file is empty also
[20:11] <thecrono> maby its jsut doesn't exit
[20:11] <thecrono> :D
[20:12] <genii> thecrono: Sorry for lag, boss needed me right away to help unload some stuff outside, no time to type out why here, etc
[20:12] <earthcreed> oem: remember to reset your user password it is passwd <username> e.g. passwd oem
[20:12] <BluesKaj> dunno about nvidia's new drivers but ati's recommended new drivers don't work very well...the default restricted driver is much better on my setup
[20:12] <thecrono> genii, i'm at : sudo dpkg -i xorg-driver-fglrx_8.452.1-1*.deb fglrx-kernel-source_8.452.1-1*.deb fglrx-amdcccle_8.452.1-1*.deb
[20:12] <thecrono> doing that now
[20:12] <val0> earthcreed thanks... also, would you think that the difference in drivers could affect the way plain text is displayed? I have this giant 28" monitor and using anything in text mode is painfull... can't tell the difference between m and m, letters all "bleed" together
[20:12] <genii> thecrono: If blacklist-restricted isn't there in modprobe.d just continue to next step
[20:13] <genii> thecrono: Good :)
[20:13] <ibou> do someone can help about my opengl issue ?
[20:13] <nosrednaekim> ibou: whats the problem?
[20:13] <ibou> when i try to configure the opengl driver on the xine motor of kaffeine, i have an error message: impossible to initialize the new video driver opengl
[20:13] <Limbeaux> i asked earlier but had to walk away.  Is there a KDE equivelent to Evolution?  i need to connect to an exchange server
[20:13] <jussi01> !repeat | ibou
[20:13] <ubotu> ibou: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[20:13] <snikker> someone has vmware working on gutsy?
[20:14] <jussi01> ibou: my apologies, didnt see you were asked
[20:14] <thecrono> it says loading... then it goes to prompt..does that mean its done?
[20:14] <nosrednaekim> ibou: is kaffiene working fine anyway?
[20:14] <ibou> jussi01: no problem
[20:14] <jussi01> :)
[20:14] <thecrono> is it safe to asume that if i see prompt what ever my previous command inputted..is complete?
[20:14] <genii> thecrono: Yes.
[20:15] <nosrednaekim> Limbeaux: yes, kmail enterprise edition does support exchange (I think)
[20:15] <ibou> nosrednaekim: yes but i can't read somme mms flux on the web
[20:15] <thecrono> btw, konqurer is horrible at displaying webpages properly
[20:15] <genii> thecrono: So onto the part Configuring The Driver" but you must reboot first
[20:15] <thecrono> text is overlaping text and buttons are all messed up
[20:16] <thecrono> rebooting
[20:16] <nosrednaekim> ibou: thats probably not a problem with opengl
[20:16] <ibou> nosrednaekim: yes i think so too
[20:17] <nosrednaekim> ibou: go into the kaffiene and set the video driver or more or whatever to "auto" instead of opengl then
[20:17] <ibou> nosrednaekim: but i should be able to set the opengl driver since i set it up on my last ubuntu installation
[20:17] <ibou> nosrednaekim: ok
[20:22] <v0ltag3> привет линуксоидам)
[20:22] <BluesKaj> !ru | v0ltag3
[20:22] <ubotu> v0ltag3: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[20:22] <v0ltag3> ok o_O
[20:25] <thecrono> i got the catalyst control panel...what else?..configure like normal?
[20:25] <earthcreed> val0: Sorry had to step away for a bit, hrm. . . pick a different text mode?  I can't help much there.
[20:26] <thecrono> everythign seems to run fine genii
[20:27] <val0> earthcreed no worries... it's just when i install the nvidia one everything crashes and burns... the very first time I installed the nvidia driver from nvidia everything worked great... but the last two times it does something to X that destroys it I think... After reboot it hangs everytime
[20:27] <giuseppe> where for question on quanta?
[20:27] <thecrono> yes, i believe we have liftoff
[20:27] <genii> thecrono: Good :)
[20:27] <thecrono> now um...about my disabled paritions
[20:28] <thecrono> how can i borwse diffrent partitions? lol
[20:28] <thecrono> i'm not understanding this..it says my 50mb /home/ partition is disabled
[20:28] <genii> thecrono: Someone else will need to assist there for now, I am being called back and forth to work right now
[20:28] <thecrono> ok
[20:29] <thecrono> one question, is there a rpogram i can use that shows me all system information, and specificly my HD and its partitions
[20:29] <thecrono> and how much is used/etc
[20:29] <thecrono> on each
[20:29] <BluesKaj> !ua
[20:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ua - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:29] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: df
[20:30] <BluesKaj> !ukraine
[20:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ukraine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[20:30] <thecrono> df?
[20:30] <thecrono> somethign not a console command?
[20:30] <BluesKaj> !info ukraine
[20:30] <ubotu> Package ukraine does not exist in gutsy
[20:30] <BluesKaj> hehe
[20:31] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: lol.... enter "sysinfo:/" in konqueror... that should give you some info
[20:31] <home_> hello can any one tell me how to change the keyboard layoout for the login screen fro, qwertz to azerty?
[20:31] <Mediapirate|AWAY> What do i use to extract a passworded rar file?
[20:32] <thecrono> how can i amke konqurer my default system vbrowsers instead of doplphin, and fire fox mydefault net rbwoser?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> I suspect that ukrainians don't like to speak russian very much , but i gather the old ways are still in place there...and here
[20:33] <Mediapirate|AWAY> ?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> thecrono,in the terminal : sudo update-alternatives --config x-www-browser
[20:33] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: system settings->default applications I think
[20:34] <thecrono> hrm, both firefox and konquerer are displaying all webpages incorrectly..specificly links bars and side bars
[20:34] <thecrono> side bar text is being overlayed onto the main text etc
[20:35] <BluesKaj> read above , thecrono for firefox
[20:35] <thecrono> i'm at 1200x1600 resolution with the pages maximized
[20:35] <thecrono> firefox is broken also though
[20:35] <thecrono> i knows its updated, i jsut got it via apt-0get
[20:36] <BluesKaj> thecrono , did you see the command line message above ?
[20:36] <thecrono> yes, i amde firefox default
[20:36] <thecrono> but, the issue is, pages are being incorrectly displayed
[20:36] <BluesKaj> thecrono, ok now; Open Konqueror/Settings/Configure Konqueror/File Associations/ under "Known Types" choose Inode/System Directory/Application Preference Order ,move Konqueror to the top , click apply, close konq configure.Then open Konqueror Settings on the toolbar and choose "Configure View Profiles",choose "File Managaement",then save.
[20:38] <thecrono> hrm, still opens in dolphin
[20:38] <thecrono> when i click the computer, then home on the menu bar on the bottom
[20:38] <BluesKaj> did you close konq
[20:38] <thecrono> no
[20:39] <thecrono> heh
[20:39] <BluesKaj> close it
[20:39] <thecrono> still dolphin
[20:40] <thecrono> i closed it, opened it, hit file management then saved it
[20:40] <thecrono> then clsoed it
[20:40] <thecrono> then clicked system menu > home folder
[20:40] <thecrono> it gave me dolphin still
[20:40] <jussi01> !dolphin
[20:40] <ubotu> Dolphin, or more properly D3lphin, is the new default file manager for Kubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. If you would like to make Konqueror your default file manager again, go to Konqueror - Settings menu - Configure Konqueror - File Associations and change the association for inode/directory and inode/system_directory to Konqueror at the top rather than Dolphin.
[20:41] <thecrono> i just did that
[20:41] <thecrono> it changed nothing,i saved/applied it aswell
[20:41] <home_> can any one tell me how to change the keyboard layoout for the login screen from qwertz to azerty?
[20:45] <thecrono> !flash
[20:45] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[20:45] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[20:46] <thecrono> er..so flash is broken basicly right now?
[20:46] <genii> home_: sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data                    if console-data not installed, install it and console-tools first before the dpkg-reconfigure
[20:46] <home_> thx
[20:47] <BluesKaj> thecrono, after all the changes you've been making .have rebooted at all ?
[20:48] <thecrono> i reported when i installed the ati catalyst
[20:48] <thecrono> rebooted
[20:48] <ahmed> hi
[20:48] <ahmed> i need some help to mount my ntfs partitions
[20:49] <thecrono> what IS the latest working flash?
[20:49] <ahmed> i need some help to mount my ntfs partitions
[20:50] <ahmed> please
[20:50] <thecrono> er, is flash 9 and flash plugin system diffrent things?
[20:50] <nosrednaekim> !ntfs
[20:50] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - For write access, see /msg ubotu NTFS-3g or /msg ubotu FUSE
[20:51] <ahmed> Thank You
[20:51] <Mediapirate|AWAY> thanks
[20:57]  * genii pops in for a minute to sip some coffee
[20:57] <thecrono> hey
[20:57] <Daisuke_Ido> greets genii
[20:57] <thecrono> i got gnash..can i use iot to view youtube?
[20:57]  * nosrednaekim gives genii and sxpresso
[20:57] <thecrono> or do i need flash?
[20:57] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: the reports differ
[20:58] <thecrono> well, i have gnash, i can't view youtube videos..so..heh
[20:58] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: Hellos :)
[20:58] <thecrono> and flash-plugin-nonfree has a md5sum mismatch and refuses to install
[20:58] <genii> nosrednaekim: I'm needing that caffeine today :) Busy here at work
[20:58] <jussi01> !flash | thecrono
[20:58] <ubotu> thecrono: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[20:58] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[20:58] <thecrono> so absicly no flash?
[20:59] <jussi01> thecrono: at the moment, no. you can however manually install it
[20:59] <thecrono> none of the advice on thsoe links works
[20:59] <thecrono> how do i manually install it?
[20:59] <jussi01> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397
[20:59] <Daisuke_Ido> thecrono: just go to adobe's site, download the tar.gz, and do it manually
[20:59] <Daisuke_Ido> for the time being, it works well
[20:59] <genii> thecrono: The link is provided there :) Also jussi01 repeated it just now
[21:00] <genii> thecrono: You will be an old hand after today at manual installs ;)
[21:02] <thecrono> genii...i still got about 7 LARGE problems to tackle
[21:02] <genii> thecrono: Well I'm here another 30  minutes to 45 minutes
[21:02] <thecrono> what i am not udnerstanding is..do i jsut install the package fix he gives?..and THEN retry to install nonfree?
[21:02] <genii> thecrono: Then gone home to return online after about 2 hours from now
[21:03] <thecrono> he doesn't really give a step by step
[21:03] <thecrono> ohman..i need an account at ubuntu forums
[21:03] <thecrono> :(
[21:05] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: no.... do not install nonfree
[21:05] <thecrono> is there a free flash?
[21:05] <thecrono> not an alternative
[21:05] <thecrono> i treid gnash and it didn't work
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> no... there is not
[21:06] <nosrednaekim> besides gnash
[21:07] <thecrono> so i need flash-plugin-nonfree
[21:07] <thecrono> but i cannot get the fix
[21:07] <nosrednaekim> you can't get the fix?
[21:07] <thecrono> i have to register an account
[21:08] <home_> genii: found the console=data  for ubutnu but not for kubuntu (running kubuntu)  can i still install it to change the keyboard?
[21:11] <genii> home_: the console-data stuff is before any window manager so the window manager takes it as a cue which keyboard to use normally unless it's been told specifically otherwise
[21:11] <home_> genii: ok found it
[21:11] <home_> :)
[21:13] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: you need an account to download that file?
[21:13] <N0xTrUm> hi
[21:14] <nosrednaekim> hey N0xTrUm
[21:14] <jose> hola!! alguien de Argentina???
[21:14] <thecrono> yes
[21:15] <home_> yay gonna try if i did it right thx genii
[21:15] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: better get one then <_<
[21:15] <genii> home_: I'll be here for a bit longer
[21:15] <genii> bah left
[21:19] <wolfy> sry genii  it didn't work still hqve only azerty when i logged in and not before :(
[21:19] <thecrono> what is Gtk+ 1.2 package called in aopt-get?
[21:19] <mot> question: does kubuntu/ubuntu have open sources ati drivers?
[21:19] <thecrono> i tried sveral vairants of gtk+
[21:20] <genii> wolfy: If you are online in about 1.5-2 hours i can try to assist further
[21:20] <thecrono> no mot
[21:20] <thecrono> !ati
[21:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[21:21] <wolfy> oh no gtg  its not that important i will try again tomorrow :)   anyway thx
[21:21] <wolfy> cya
[21:21] <circman07> Hello
[21:23] <Mediapirate|AWAY> hello
[21:23] <foibes> hi there
[21:23] <foibes> whats the command to delete something from shell?
[21:23] <Chousuke> rm
[21:23] <foibes> thanks
[21:24] <foibes> for a directory?
[21:24] <Chousuke> rm -r
[21:24] <Chousuke> :P
[21:24] <foibes> to delete a whole directory tree
[21:24] <Chousuke> (recursive)
[21:24] <foibes> ah, spanks
[21:24] <Mediapirate|AWAY> How do you port forward in kubuntu?
[21:25] <foibes> thanks a bunch
[21:26] <mot> thecrono, if my ati driver isn't listed in the restricted drivers section in 7.10
[21:26] <mot> can i use the one provided on ati's website?
[21:27] <thecrono> you the one that is lsited
[21:27] <foibles> i just had a real emergency
[21:27] <foibles> i couldn't log into a window manager
[21:27] <foibles> my drive was full
[21:28] <circman07> Are any of you familiar with the whole openchrome vs, VIA debacle?
[21:28] <foibles> circman07, no, tell us
[21:28] <Vermux> genii:there?
[21:29] <dusty-sts> Hey guys, i'm using ubuntu gutsy gibbon on a 4gb hdd (mad i know) It has like 5mb left, it has X etc installed.. i just want it basically for apache/bind how can i find out what packages are installed so i can go through them and apt-get uninstall them to make some room?
[21:29] <thecrono> nosrednaekim : the problem is...gmail requires flash in order to load..lol
[21:29] <thecrono> i think
[21:29] <thecrono> because i cannot chack my mail
[21:29] <Vermux> Im about to install kubuntu
[21:29] <foibles> dusty-sts, you could probably install a much more light weight distro and be alot more happy
[21:29] <foibles> dusty-sts, like zenwalk
[21:30] <circman07> I just installed Kubuntu 7.10 on my Averatec 2260-eh1 laptop. Unfortunately I have a graphics card that is based on the via platform
[21:30] <foibles> dusty-sts, i use zenwalk for all my servers
[21:30] <circman07> It is a Via Chrome9 hc igp
[21:30] <Vermux> I have winxp already on the first partition with 41gb. I have 118 GB left. What settings do u recommend?
[21:30] <circman07> And it won't let me switch to a resolution higher than 800*600
[21:31] <Vermux> need help with kubuntu installation
[21:31] <thecrono> what are you doing on linux vermin?
[21:31] <thecrono> vermux*
[21:31] <foibles> Vermux, set up a 1 gig swap
[21:31] <thecrono> id do 2gb..or maby 5..he ahs tons fo space
[21:31] <foibles> Vermux, then perhaps a 15 to 20 gig / partition
[21:31] <circman07> Vermux, unless you think you will need more space, I suggest you allot about 20gbs for the linux partition
[21:31] <thecrono> vermux, you wanna use all 118 gb?
[21:32] <circman07> If you are going to be using it for most things, then go ahead and allot a lot of space.
[21:32] <thomas__> thecrono: why wouldn't he
[21:32] <thecrono> who knows
[21:32] <Vermux> thecrono: yes, what else I can do with them? maybe Samba experiments?/
[21:32] <thecrono> lol
[21:32] <JoshOvki> heya
[21:32] <thomas__> thecrono: I got 2TB of linux filesystem :)
[21:32] <thecrono> make a 2Gb swap file, a 15GB linux system part, and the rest as a /home/ partition
[21:33] <JoshOvki> thomas_: How in the world have you got 2TBof linux filesystem!
[21:33] <thecrono> swap part*
[21:33] <drcode> hi all
[21:33] <circman07> Hey, Doc
[21:33] <drcode> how can I install xgl in kubuntu ?
[21:33] <thecrono> /home/ would be for general data, that way if somethign goes wrong with the system its on its own paritiion
[21:33] <Vermux> thecrono: I have 1gb ram, I will install 2 GB ram more if the machine works fine
[21:33] <thomas__> JoshOvki: 4*320GB + 500GB + 160BG + 80GB
[21:33] <thecrono> that's good, i got 1.5gb ram, and 2gb swap
[21:34] <thecrono> but in your case, 2gb swap is not even noticeable
[21:34] <JoshOvki> thomas_: lol, how much is used?
[21:34] <drcode> any help?
[21:34] <thomas__> JoshOvki: about 1.7 TB
[21:34] <thecrono> !xgl
[21:34] <ubotu> Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness. The instructions are at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion - further help in #compiz-fusion
[21:34] <Vermux> thecrono: but, is it enough for 3GB RAM that I will have?
[21:34] <thecrono> any linux distro can run on 3gb ram
[21:34] <JoshOvki> thomas_:  how?!
[21:34] <drcode> hanx
[21:34] <drcode> thanx
[21:35] <thomas__> JoshOvki: hmm, music, movie, tv
[21:35] <thecrono> thomas_ = modern day black beard har ahr arr arr!
[21:35] <Vermux> thecrono: 2GB swap partition is enough if I will have 3 GB RAM?
[21:35] <JoshOvki> lol
[21:35] <thecrono> do 5gb, it depedns on you i guess, i did 2gb
[21:35] <thomas__> thecrono: it's bluebeard
[21:35] <thecrono> i did 2gb because ti was recommended
[21:35] <JoshOvki> i used to have debian installed on a machine with a 2gb harddrive, 128mb ram, and a 500mhz processor
[21:35] <Vermux> thecrono: ok, Im doing 5Gb
[21:35] <thomas__> 2GB is enough swap
[21:35] <thomas__> more than you'll use
[21:36] <Vermux> thecrono: system partition, u mean for the root?
[21:36] <circman07> Can anyone help me with my display driver problems?  is there someway to force the screen to display at a higher resolution?
[21:36] <thecrono> vermux...is your computer part of the flux copacitor?..if not..2gb swap is plenty
[21:36] <hagabaka> after I installed kde4 packages, KDE3 is also using konqueror-kde4 to open links. is there a way to let it use kde3 konqueror?
[21:36] <thomas__> Vermux: 5GB swap is wasted space
[21:36] <thomas__> make it 2
[21:36] <Vermux> thomas_2 or 5gb? Im confused
[21:36] <thomas__> 2
[21:36] <thomas__> 2
[21:36] <thomas__> 2
[21:36] <thecrono> lol
[21:36] <thecrono> 2 is good
[21:36] <thomas__> 5 - 3
[21:36] <Vermux> ok
[21:36] <Vermux> agreed
[21:36] <thomas__> :)
[21:37] <thecrono> yes vermux, the 15gb system partition is the one linux will install to
[21:37] <Vermux> does it matter which one is the first one? swap root and home ?
[21:37] <thecrono> your data, like music,movies, saved stuff will be on /home/
[21:37] <thomas__> no but seriously, I run a dozen of apps, servers, and vmware on a 2 GB ram + 2 GB swap laptop
[21:37] <thecrono> i don't think so
[21:37] <thomas__> and it doesn't even use all the memory
[21:38] <Vermux> Im making the first partition the root, then, home, and then swap
[21:38] <thecrono> though
[21:38] <thecrono> hrm...your leaving windows on the pc?
[21:38] <thomas__> Vermux: if you want efficient HD use, make / first then swap and then /home
[21:38] <val0> circman07 what video card do you have? what monitor do you have? do you have the right driver installed for your video card?
[21:38] <Vermux> thecrono: yes
[21:39] <thecrono> does windows already have its own partition?
[21:39] <faTe> sorry gegen aussschalter gekommen :/
[21:39] <Vermux> thomas_why swap in the middle? it doesnt sound logical to me
[21:39] <Vermux> thecrono: yes, it has 41 GB
[21:39] <thecrono> this is where it is placed on the disk
[21:39] <circman07> I have a laptop so I am using the built in monitor, I currently and using the Vesa drivers because  I can't seem to get the via drivers to compile for my VIA Chrome9 hc IGP
[21:39] <thomas__> because your hd otherwise always have to go to the end of the hd for swap files
[21:39] <thecrono> the farth to the end, the longer it takes to load [that's prolly wrong, but meh it sounds good]
[21:39] <thomas__> Vermux: now it wil be between the two most used partitions
[21:40] <circman07> Is it possible to edit the xorg.conf file and add monitor settings I know are supported?
[21:40] <val0> circman07 what laptop do you have? what do think the resolution should be? what resolution do you currently have?
[21:40] <Vermux> thomas_sounds good to me
[21:40] <thomas__> Vermux: hence it will be accesed faster
[21:40] <Vermux> anybody think different?
[21:40] <thecrono> nope
[21:40] <Vermux> haha, ok
[21:40] <thecrono> ever used linux before?
[21:40] <circman07> I have an averatec 2260-eh1, the native resolution in windows is 1280-1024, and currently the best it will let me have is 800-600
[21:40] <Vermux> which one is the first, the root?
[21:41] <thecrono> yes /
[21:41] <Vermux> ok, sec. yes I used it a litlle
[21:41] <val0> circman07 also please prefix your messages with val0 that will let me know that you are talking to me and i will respond sooner
[21:41] <thecrono> anything you know about computers, throw it away
[21:41] <thomas__> Vermux: are you going to resize the windows ntfs partition or did you already made it smaller on purpose
[21:41] <val0> circman07 ok give me a min or two to take a look
[21:41] <circman07> val0: I will, sorry
[21:42] <Vermux> thomas_I made it only 40GB
[21:42] <thomas__> ok
[21:42] <thomas__> nm then ;)
[21:42] <Vermux> thomas_I have total of 160 GB
[21:42] <thomas__> jes
[21:42] <thomas__> great
[21:42] <thecrono> i got 80GB :D
[21:42] <Vermux> thomas_: why, u think I should change it?
[21:42] <thomas__> Vermux: no I did the exact same :)
[21:42] <Vermux> thomas_the win installation?
[21:43] <justin_> are there any toshiba laptop specific modules for kubuntu
[21:43] <thecrono> i deleted my win installation
[21:43] <thomas__> thecrono: I sadly need it for school
[21:44] <thomas__> Vermux: no 40 GB is more than enough to run a few apps and games in windows :-)
[21:44] <mot> so
[21:44] <thecrono> i need to reset router, brb
[21:44] <mot> if there are no drivers for ati in the restricted drivers section of kubuntu
[21:44] <mot> what's my next move? are there any other sources i can look for for ati drivers?
[21:45] <Vermux> thomas_: so the rest is the home aprtition, hencce 101 GB
[21:45] <thomas__> Vermux: jeps, sounds nice :)
[21:45] <val0> circman07 I just looked up the specs for your machine and the max resolution (the specs claim) is 1280 x 800, are you sure you got 1280x1024?
[21:45] <thomas__> Vermux: thats where all the data has to come ;-), movies, music, documents
[21:45] <circman07> val0: nope, forgot it was widescreen.
[21:46] <dusty-sts> Anyone know a good tutorial or howto on configuring bind on gusty gibbon?
[21:46] <circman07> Val0:1280X800 sounds right
[21:46] <thomas__> Vermux: and in the / partions all the aplications will be hosted
[21:46] <Vermux> thomas_: hey, why did the installation took off 2 MB from the swap partition? I specified 2 GB but it wrote to only 1998 MB?
[21:46] <thomas__> partition*
[21:46] <thomas__> Vermux: it unexplainable
[21:46] <brian_> I can't write to my VFAT partition on my second internal hard drive.. help!
[21:47] <Vermux> thomas_??
[21:47] <thomas__> Vermux: no, it always happens, has something to do with the size of the clusters on your HD
[21:47] <Vermux> thomas_it added the 2mb to the root partition
[21:47] <Vermux> !!!
[21:47] <thomas__> brian_: make sure permissions are set right
[21:48] <brian_> how do I check that?
[21:48] <thomas__> Vermux: it realy doesn't mather
[21:48] <thomas__> 2mb ain't makin' the difference
[21:48] <Vermux> thomas_ ok
[21:48] <thomas__> brian_: kcontrol
[21:49] <genii> Vermux: Back, but only briefly before logging off..anything to assist with that may not take a long time?
[21:49] <val0> circman07 ok still looking brb
[21:49] <circman07> val0: I appreciate your help.
[21:49] <oreth> everytime i play a youtube video, firefox crashes
[21:49] <oreth> what do I do?
[21:49] <thomas__> genii: takin care off him ;-)
[21:49] <Vermux> genii: no thanks
[21:50] <Vermux> thomas_: so Im making the partitions ext3
[21:50] <anonymous5929> oreth: did you try reinstalling firefox/flash?
[21:50] <thomas__> jep
[21:50] <genii> thomas_: Yes, nice, checked backscroll after checking in :)
[21:50] <thomas__> bright idea :)
[21:50] <genii> Vermux: Looks like you are in good hands
[21:50] <oreth> well
[21:50] <genii> See everyhone later
[21:50] <oreth> what's the recommended way to install flash?
[21:50] <Vermux> thomas_install boot loader?
[21:50] <oreth> i just let firefox install it for me
[21:50] <thomas__> Vermux: jes
[21:50] <Vermux> thomas_: I clicked advanced
[21:51] <brian_> Where do I find Kcontrol?
[21:51] <thomas__> Vermux: MBR
[21:51] <anonymous5929> I usually do it through the dialoge box that pops up when you visit a flash page (I usually just visit www.homestarrunner.com to get it to pop up)
[21:51] <val0> circman07 can i query you? i want to send you a few links
[21:51] <oreth> well
[21:51] <oreth> that's how I installed it
[21:51] <Vermux> thomas_what about it?
[21:51] <anonymous5929> hmm
[21:51] <anonymous5929> does any other flash work?
[21:51] <thomas__> Vermux: install bootloader in MBR
[21:51] <oreth> this is a fresh install at that
[21:51] <anonymous5929> oh I see
[21:51] <thomas__> Vermux: it should have that option
[21:51] <circman07> val0: Sure
[21:51] <Vermux> thomas_I dont know, it sways (hd0)
[21:52] <thomas__> yeah
[21:52] <Vermux> *says
[21:52] <thomas__> thats ok
[21:52] <oreth> anonymous5929: all other flash seems to work
[21:52] <anonymous5929> oreth: well I'll keep looking/thinking but I think i'm at a loss on this one...
[21:52] <Vermux> thomas_: Installation is in process
[21:53] <thomas__> Vermux: It will most likely go flawlessly ;-)
[21:53] <anonymous5929> I'd stoill reccomend uninstalling/reinstalling firefox
[21:53] <Vermux> thomas_I hope so, my machine made me a lot of problems
[21:53] <brian_> Where can I find Kcontrol?
[21:53] <dmw3e> use run
[21:53] <thomas__> Vermux: under linux it will no longer ^^
[21:54] <Vermux> thomas_: oy, it is on 5% for 2 minutes already
[21:54] <thomas__> just let it be
[21:54] <Vermux> thomas_it was under linux and win earlier
[21:54] <thomas__> ah okay
[21:54] <dmw3e> what are your thoughts on ubuntu vs sabayon?
[21:54] <thomas__> then what was the problem Vermux?
[21:54] <Vermux> thomas_I think the power supply made all the problems, I replaced it with a different one
[21:54] <thomas__> ok
[21:55] <Vermux> thomas_: The computer used to freeze
[21:55] <glennandre> wazzup?
[21:55] <thomas__> good luck then with the new powersuply
[21:55] <Vermux> thomas_ up untill asn hour ago
[21:55] <Vermux> thomas_it is a used one I found
[21:55] <glennandre> somone here know why steam is drivin so slow in kubuntu?
[21:55] <thomas__> well, if it was ok before it will most likely be so now
[21:56] <Vermux> thomas_ : the computer used to freeze all the time with win, then I installed kubuntu and it didnt freeze even once, untill today
[21:56] <circman07> val0: I am blocked from PM's cause I am unregistered
[21:56] <thomas__> Vermux: yeah, very strange
[21:56] <Vermux> thomas_or yesterday
[21:56] <Vermux> thomas_then, I got cmos checksum error when booting yesterday
[21:56] <thomas__> Vermux: sounds like PSU indeed
[21:57] <val0> circman07 register your nick with nickserv :D
[21:57] <circman07> val0: but thanks for all the help, sadly I have to leave work and head home to try to sort this mess out
[21:57] <sorush21> I have 256 mb ram can I install kubuntu
[21:57] <Vermux> thomas_when the computer froze it made a click noise
[21:57] <circman07> val0:I will but this is just chatzilla hastily installed on the work computer.  See you guys later, and thanks
[21:57] <val0> circman07 got an email?
[21:57] <circman07> val0: shady.revolution@gmail.com
[21:57] <thomas__> Vermux: a click noise, I would have a look ath your HD then
[21:58] <val0> circman07 i'll email it to you right now
[21:58] <circman07> val0: thanks a ton!
[21:58] <circman07> See ya guys later
[21:58] <val0> circman07 no worries, lates
[21:58] <Vermux> thomas_: do u recommend using bad blocks? do u know how to use that?
[21:58] <thomas__> Vermux: using bad blacks?
[21:58] <thomas__> blocks*
[21:59] <glennandre> somone here know why steam is drivin so slow in kubuntu?
[21:59] <Vermux> thomas_there is a program called badblocks
[21:59] <glennandre>  somone here know why steam is drivin so slow in kubuntu?
[21:59] <Vermux> thomas_ it suppose to check the hdd
[21:59] <thomas__> Vermux: ah no, don't knwo that, i guess it scans the hd for bad blocks?
[21:59] <Vermux> yes
[22:00] <Vermux> does anybody know how to use badblocks?
[22:00] <thomas__> Vermux: you could give it a try
[22:00] <thomas__> but just a chkdsk will do
[22:00] <Vermux> thomas_with win or linux?
[22:00] <thomas__> win
[22:00] <thomas__> or in linux
[22:00] <thomas__> what you prefer
[22:00] <thomas__> I would prefer linux
[22:00] <thomas__> :p
[22:01] <TimS> Is there anyway to tell when the last fsck was run?
[22:01] <Vermux> thomas_just typpe chckdsk
[22:01] <Vermux> ?
[22:02] <thomas__> konsole
[22:02] <thomas__> man fsck ;-)
[22:02] <nosrednaekim> TimS: yeah.. I think there is a way with tune2fs
[22:02] <brian_> how do I check permissions in Kcontrol?
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> permissions for what?
[22:03] <thomas__> brian_: system administration > disks and filesystems
[22:03] <thomas__> nosrednaekim: for his external HD
[22:03] <nosrednaekim> ah
[22:04] <soporte> alguien me ayuda con el horde
[22:04] <soporte> ctype_lower() in
[22:04] <nosrednaekim> !es
[22:04] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:04] <soporte> cuando instalo el modulo de password
[22:04] <brian_> Disks and Filesystems doesn't really help me. It allows me to enable it and disable it but thats about it
[22:04] <soporte> me sale este error
[22:04] <thecrono> how ya doin vermux?
[22:04] <soporte> Fatal error: Call to undefined function: ctype_lower() in /srv/www/htdocs/horde/passwd/main.php on line 97
[22:04] <soporte> es bug ?
[22:05] <thomas__> brian_: look better
[22:05] <SlimeyPete> !es
[22:05] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[22:05] <soporte> la kosa es ke no es ubuntu
[22:05] <soporte> es debian
[22:05] <soporte> ta keeeee
[22:05] <thomas__> !es | soporte
[22:05] <ubotu> soporte: please see above
[22:05] <soporte> okas
[22:06] <Vermux> thecrono: almost done installination
[22:06] <brian_> Even in admin mode it's not letting me do anything other than letting me choose if the admit can mount it or not.
[22:06] <wastedfluid> Might be kind of stupid; but can anyone point me to a link to help me completely remove kde 3.5.8  w/ out messing up my kde4 installation
[22:07] <thecrono> Ok guys, i got another problem, when i restart kubuntu...everything closes down, the screen goes black...and...nothing....it is stillon, but it goes completely unresponsive..i ahve to unplug my computer and plug it back in to start it...
[22:07] <Lynoure> too slow to type :/ He would have needed php to have ctype support
[22:07] <SlimeyPete> thanasi: why not just hold the power button down for a few secs instead of unplugging?
[22:08] <thecrono> that doesn'twork
[22:08] <Lynoure> Weird, because I thought PHP 4.2.0 onwards it was the default.
[22:08] <thomas__> brian_: click on the HD, then click modify
[22:08] <Daisuke_Ido> you...  unplug?  yeah, SlimeyPete has the right idea.  the power button's there for a reason
[22:08] <thanasi> hi guys. i want to clone a disk but not with dd. what can i use?
[22:08] <SlimeyPete> thanasi: but I have heard of this issue, quite a few people experience it and I'm not sure that there's a fix for it yet.
[22:08] <Daisuke_Ido> thanasi: dd
[22:08] <thecrono> power button does nothing at all
[22:08] <SlimeyPete> thanasi: you held it down for five secs?
[22:08] <thomas__> thanasi: k3b
[22:08] <SlimeyPete> erm, thecrono ^^
[22:08] <thecrono> yes
[22:08] <Daisuke_Ido> thomas__: clone a hard drive with k3b?
[22:08] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: man.. you are having all the luck... ^_^
[22:08] <thanasi> hehe.. hard drive and the new one is bigger than the old one
[22:08] <SlimeyPete> how odd. Is your computer purpose-built to break Linux or something? ;D
[22:09] <thomas__> Daisuke_Ido: sory misread
[22:09] <brian_> Is there a way I can check the permissons on the hard drive?
[22:09] <thecrono> well, my video is fixed, now i need to get flash working
[22:09] <thomas__> Daisuke_Ido: a disk can also be a cd
[22:09] <thanasi> Daisuke_Ido: dd takes too long
[22:09] <Daisuke_Ido> thanasi: you're cloning.  nothing else is going to be any faster.
[22:09] <thecrono> man, flash worked on the lvie cd..youd think ti would work on installation
[22:10] <thomas__> thanasi: there wont be much that would do it faster then dd
[22:10] <Lynoure> thanasi: cloning disks takes really long, especially if they are on the same bus.
[22:10] <Vermux> thomas_: ok, I want to increase the size of the icons a litlle, but last time it causes a lot of problems when I tried to change the resolution. Do u know what to do?
[22:10] <ScorpKing> ScorpKing = thanasi
[22:10] <brian_> Is there a way I can check the permissons on the hard drive?
[22:10] <thomas__> Vermux: so you want bigger icons
[22:10] <Daisuke_Ido> thomas__: but normally that would be "copy a disk" or "duplicate a disk".  clone tends to infer a hard disk (or partition thereof)
[22:10] <thomas__> Vermux: check kcontrol
[22:10] <ScorpKing> hi guys. i can't remember what that boot cd is called with the partition manager on.
[22:10] <Lynoure> ScorpKing: do it overnight, less hassle about the time it takes :)
[22:11] <Lynoure> ScorpKing: there is many, one is from http://gpartedclonz.tuxfamily.org/
[22:11] <Vermux> thomas_: first updated?
[22:11] <Vermux> updates
[22:11] <thomas__> ScorpKing: kubtuntu live cd
[22:11] <brian_> Ther only permissions I see are mount permissions and that doesn't help at all. I can't write to the drive in while Root
[22:11] <wastedfluid> Anyone know of an easy way to uninstall the KDE3 desktop without messing up KDE4?
[22:11] <thecrono> what do i ened to do to get flash-plugin-nonfree? don't use !flash i tried it
[22:11] <thomas__> wastedfluid: the go perfectly next to each other
[22:11] <Lynoure> ScorpKing: also has Clonezilla for your cloning needs :)
[22:12] <thomas__> brian_: sudo chown -R username:username /mount/point
[22:12] <ScorpKing> Lynoure: nvm. i'll go look for the one i want. one sec
[22:12] <Daisuke_Ido> thecrono: go to adobe.com.  get flash player.  download the tar.gz, untar the tar.gz, cd to the directory it creates, and run the installer script
[22:12] <Vermux> guys, I just installed kubuntu. Do I need to apply all updates or there are updates I need to be careful about?
[22:12] <Lynoure> ScorpKing: nvm me then...
[22:12] <Daisuke_Ido> didn't we already go over this?
[22:12] <thecrono> that's it?
[22:12] <thomas__> Vermux: just aply then
[22:12] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: get all updates
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yep
[22:13] <thomas__> Vermux: nothing to wory about
[22:13] <wastedfluid> thomas_; I know they go completely well with each other, but I want to remove KDE3.  I'm satisfied with KDE4.
[22:13]  * ScorpKing pass Lynoure some coffee..
[22:13] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be a question for the kde4 channel.
[22:13] <thomas__> then remove KDE3, although I wouldn't advise it
[22:13] <wastedfluid> Why not?
[22:13] <wastedfluid> "kubuntu-desktop" - right?
[22:13] <thomas__> jep
[22:14] <thomas__> because you'll loose alot of aplications
[22:14] <thomas__> I think
[22:14] <Daisuke_Ido> except kubuntu-desktop is just a metapackage
[22:14] <wastedfluid> I tink so too
[22:14] <Vermux> can I work freely while updating the system?
[22:14] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: yep
[22:14] <thecrono> should eb able to
[22:14] <brian_> It says changing of ownership not permited!! WTF?
[22:14] <thecrono> i did
[22:14] <nosrednaekim> Vermux: just don't log out or reboot ;)
[22:14] <thomas__> brian_: do it as root
[22:14] <thecrono> will flash player integrate into firefox?
[22:15] <SlimeyPete> yes, thecrono
[22:15] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: yes, the script will put it the right place
[22:15] <brian_> how do I switch to root in Konsole?
[22:15] <thomas__> sudo
[22:15] <thomas__> sudo <command>
[22:15] <brian_> Thats what I did!
[22:16] <thomas__> hmm
[22:16] <brian_> sudo chown -R ect
[22:16] <val0> brian_ try sudo su
[22:16] <thomas__> val0: no
[22:16] <thomas__> wont change a thing
[22:16] <thomas__> brian_: unmount hd
[22:16] <brian_> What on earth could be causing this?
[22:16] <thomas__> brian_: then chown
[22:16] <Vermux> waht about resolution? can I play with the screen resolution while updating?
[22:16] <thomas__> brian_: then mount again
[22:16] <thomas__> Vermux: jes
[22:17] <val0> thomas__ why not? will allow him to switch to root without a command to see if that actually works... the sudo that is
[22:17] <SlimeyPete> Vermux: you can do anything except log out, kill X11 or shut down
[22:17] <thomas__> val0: the sudo will work fine
[22:17] <brian_> Still tells me "changing of ownership is not permited
[22:17] <thecrono> um, the scripted opened in kate
[22:17] <thomas__> val0: what on earth could be wrong with it
[22:17] <SlimeyPete> well, killing all processes is a big no-no too ;)
[22:18] <thecrono> how do i run this script?
[22:18] <thomas__> brian_: when hd is unmounted?
[22:18] <val0> thomas__ i have no idea... more of a troubleshooting idea rather than a direct solution
[22:18] <brian_> Not when I try that action. Should I unmount it for this?
[22:18] <thecrono> vermux you can do almsot anything while it updated
[22:18] <thomas__> brian_: jes
[22:18] <Vermux> ok
[22:18] <thomas__> read what I said before
[22:18] <thomas__> [23:16]
[22:19] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: to run a script from the terminal, "cd" to its location then type "sh <file name". You'll want to prefix with "sudo" if you need admin priveliges.
[22:19] <SlimeyPete> erm, "sh <file name>", without the <>s of course ;)
[22:19] <thomas__> thecrono: you'll probably have to chmod 777 it first
[22:20] <wastedfluid> thomas_; "kubuntu-desktop" didn't remove kde3. ;/
[22:20] <brian_> Nope, that didn't help either
[22:20] <thomas__> then do kdelibs
[22:20] <thomas__> and kdecore
[22:20] <thecrono> thecrono@Neckron-Ninty-Nine:~/Technical$ sudo sh install_flash_player+9+linux.tar.gz
[22:20] <thecrono>      ??
[22:20] <thomas__> brian_: dont know then
[22:20] <Vermux> ok, when I change the resolution to 1024x768 and click apply it doesnt change it?
[22:20] <faTe> good night u all
[22:20] <Vermux> ignore the ?
[22:20] <thecrono> chmod 777?
[22:20] <thomas__> thecrono: lol its an archive
[22:20] <thomas__> thecrono: extract it first
[22:20] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: "tar xvzf the_tar_package"
[22:20] <thecrono> but there is a script isnide it
[22:21] <wastedfluid> thomas_; it says neither are installed.. lol, but i just logged into kde3.5.8
[22:21] <brian_> Wow this sucks. It shouldn't be having this problem.
[22:21] <thomas__> wastedfluid: reboot
[22:21] <Vermux> somebody know why?
[22:21] <wastedfluid> sigh.. don't want to do that :/
[22:21] <wastedfluid> bah.
[22:21] <thomas__> Vermux: hmm
[22:21] <Vermux> from 1280x1024
[22:21] <thomas__> Vermux: are graphix drivers installed?
[22:21] <thecrono> vermux, what video card do you have?
[22:22] <thecrono> vermux,kubuntu requires some good setting up to be done
[22:22] <thecrono> but we will help you
[22:22] <brian_> I think I got it to work..
[22:22] <val0> !flash
[22:22] <kikiwarrior> help
[22:22] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[22:22] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[22:22] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem kikiwarrior
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: heh... you are the expert now :)
[22:23] <thecrono> don't ask to ask a question, jsut ask the question
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: did you run that tar command?
[22:23] <thecrono> lol
[22:23] <Vermux> ok, I got the following message: there was an error commiting changes. possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[22:23] <kikiwarrior> i m new in linux system i dont speak english (i m french)
[22:23] <thecrono> yes, invalid filename or folder
[22:23] <thecrono> or soemthing, gonna do it mnually
[22:23] <thecrono> !fr
[22:23] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[22:23] <kikiwarrior> yes fr
[22:23] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: haha... you have to change "the_tar_archive" to the actual name of the archive
[22:24] <thecrono> i did
[22:24] <thecrono> it still said invalid
[22:24] <thecrono> lol i;'m nto that  daft :D
[22:24] <kikiwarrior> it s for me
[22:24] <thecrono> silent?
[22:24] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: ;-)
[22:24] <thecrono> hrm, what do you need?
[22:24] <kikiwarrior> i want joint french irc
[22:25] <thecrono> what do you mean? kikiwarrior
[22:25] <Lynoure> kikiwarrior: /join #kubuntu-fr
[22:26] <kikiwarrior> sorry i don't understand my english is very bab
[22:26] <kikiwarrior> tank for kubuntu .fr
[22:26] <thecrono> what is default mozilla location?
[22:26] <thecrono> !fr
[22:26] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[22:26] <thecrono> there
[22:26] <kikiwarrior> i don t know
[22:26] <thecrono> not you kikiwarrior
[22:26] <tekteen> thecrono: ~/.mozilla
[22:27] <Vermux> after updating  I got the following message: there was an error commiting changes. possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages
[22:27] <Vermux> anybody knows the specific problem?
[22:27] <kikiwarrior> thank you every body your are very cool
[22:27] <thecrono> re fetch updates
[22:27] <tekteen> thecrono: is that what you wanted?
[22:27] <thecrono> your useing adept?
[22:27] <thecrono> not sure
[22:27] <thecrono> flash 9 wants to know my mozilla directory
[22:27] <kikiwarrior> good bye
[22:27] <thecrono> good bye kikiwarrior
[22:28] <thomas__> thecrono: /home/username/.mozilla
[22:28] <Vermux> thomas_:^
[22:28] <kikiwarrior> i go speak french it s to easy for me
[22:28] <kikiwarrior> tank good bye
[22:28] <thomas__> au revoir
[22:28] <thecrono> /usr/lib/mozilla is that it?..that's the default setting btw
[22:28] <thomas__> thecrono: yeah, thats for system wide installation
[22:28] <thecrono> ok
[22:29] <thomas__> thecrono: you need to be root fopr that
[22:29] <DFlame> anyone reckon they can help with a USB mounted drive locking up every time I try and copy something big?
[22:29] <thomas__> thecrono: did you execute command as root?
[22:29] <thomas__> thecrono: script*
[22:29] <thecrono> yes
[22:29] <thomas__> ok
[22:29] <thecrono> it said /usr/lib/mozzila was invalid
[22:29] <thomas__> uhm
[22:29] <tekteen> one z
[22:29] <thomas__> 1 sec
[22:29] <thecrono> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, Netscape,
[22:29] <thecrono> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
[22:29] <thecrono> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[22:29] <tekteen> two l
[22:29] <thecrono> yes, one z
[22:30] <thecrono> that's what i put
[22:30] <tekteen> two L's
[22:30] <thecrono> there is two
[22:30] <thomas__> thecrono: sudo mkdir /usr/lib/mozilla
[22:30] <thecrono> can i do that in another konsole?
[22:30] <thomas__> jep
[22:31] <thecrono> LOL
[22:31] <thecrono> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/lib/mozilla': File exists
[22:31] <thecrono> now that si strange
[22:31] <thomas__> yeah
[22:31] <thomas__> then why isnt it valid?
[22:31] <gravedal> someone knows how toupgrade KDE to 4.O on kubuntu?
[22:31] <thomas__> :/
[22:31] <thecrono> dunnio
[22:31] <thomas__> gravedal: google
[22:32] <tekteen> gravedal: #kubuntu-kde4
[22:32] <thecrono> !kde
[22:32] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu: « sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop », or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE . Latest KDE version is 3.5.8 for Gutsy and Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org for more information.
[22:32] <thecrono> !kde4
[22:32] <ubotu> KDE 4.0 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. KDE 4.0 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php - More information can be found at http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/ - Support in #kubuntu-kde4
[22:32] <gravedal> thx
[22:32] <thecrono> what is before /usr/?\
[22:32] <thecrono> /usr/ ?*
[22:32] <thomas__>  /
[22:32] <tekteen> thecrono: /usr/lib
[22:32] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: AFAIK, you are supposed to put it in a local folder.. like /home/user/.mozilla
[22:32] <thecrono> /usr/ ?
[22:33] <thecrono> i want it global
[22:33] <tekteen> /usr/lib
[22:33] <thecrono> that won'twork
[22:33] <thecrono>  :(
[22:33] <thecrono> or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
[22:33] <thecrono> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[22:34] <nosredna_ekim>  /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/flashplugin-alternative.so is where mine is
[22:34] <thecrono> /home/thecrono/.mozilla didn't work either
[22:35] <thomas__> thecrono: very strange
[22:35] <nosredna_ekim> try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[22:35] <thecrono> tried it
[22:35] <thecrono> um, doesn't it jsut copy/paste the /so file?
[22:36] <thecrono> .so
[22:36] <thecrono> i can do that myself if so
[22:36] <nosredna_ekim> right...
[22:36] <nosredna_ekim> thats what it does
[22:37] <thecrono> um
[22:37] <thecrono> i don't have usr
[22:37] <thecrono> in root,all i got is /lib/ and it doesn't have /mozilla/
[22:37] <thomas__> no /usr?
[22:37] <thecrono> or is there something lower that root?
[22:37] <thomas__> wait waht ?
[22:38] <thomas__> no nothing lower
[22:38] <thecrono> system menu > home folder > root
[22:38] <thecrono> no usr folder
[22:38] <Chousuke> uh
[22:38] <thomas__> huh ?
[22:38] <thecrono> er, wait, nvm human error
[22:38] <Chousuke> home folder?
[22:38] <thomas__> now wait a second
[22:39] <thecrono> oh m,an
[22:40] <thecrono> i tried to copy opaste the file..it said :Access Denied, could not write to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[22:40] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: do it as root...
[22:40] <thecrono> i treid to drag and drop
[22:40] <thecrono> how do i do it as root?
[22:40] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: using dolphin?
[22:40] <nosredna_ekim> "kdesudo dolphin"
[22:40] <thecrono> yes
[22:40] <thecrono> i want to use konqurer though
[22:41] <thecrono> but it won't work and that's another problem
[22:41] <nosredna_ekim> kdesudo konqueror then
[22:42] <Lynoure> thecrono: are you installing some plugin? for yourself or systemwide?  If for yourself, just  ~/.mozilla/plugin
[22:42] <thecrono> trying to install flash player 9
[22:43] <thecrono> i copied the .so to usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[22:43] <thecrono> how do i make firefox use a plugin?
[22:43] <professional_min> hello
[22:43] <thecrono> hello
[22:43] <professional_min> I have questions...
[22:43] <professional_min> can i ask?
[22:43] <jussi01> !ask | professional_min
[22:43] <ubotu> professional_min: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[22:44] <professional_min> this is my first visit here actually
[22:44] <thecrono> don't ask to ask a question, jsut ask the question
[22:44] <thecrono> there ya go
[22:44] <thecrono> :D
[22:44] <professional_min> what's the best version of LINUX for webserver?
[22:44] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: start up firefox and enter "about:plugins"
[22:45] <nosredna_ekim> professional_min: that is aof course, a matter of much discussion, I would say debian
[22:45] <thecrono> yeah, it say it installed
[22:45] <jussi01> professional_min: ubuntu server is alos very good
[22:45] <thecrono> lets check youtube see if it works
[22:45] <professional_min> I tried ubuntu server but its interface is in DOS like mode..
[22:45] <Limbeaux> i used to have an icon on the taskbar that looked like a speaker.  now it had disappeared  Any ideas how to get it back?
[22:45] <nosredna_ekim> professional_min:
[22:46] <jussi01> professional_min: yes, so are most servers
[22:46] <professional_min> I found it difficult..need to study about sudo
[22:46] <nosredna_ekim> thats the way linux servers are
[22:46] <Vermux> ok, this is the problem: and it happaned also last time after I install: I cant get into administrative mode in order to change these things now.
[22:46] <nosredna_ekim> Limbeaux: "kmix"
[22:46] <Vermux> I just installed and updated kubuntu
[22:46] <ahmos> hi, i wana know if my swap partition is working because I have a 1.0G.B ram and aout 98% of it is used...I'm very new to linux ,thanks
[22:46] <tekteen> professional_min: you can get a graphical user interface (gui)
[22:46] <now3d> Hi, i installed kubuntu 7.10 on my USB stick, but I get GRUB Error 17 when it boots, unable to find the file on the partition.. but it does exist on the (hd1,1)
[22:46] <nosredna_ekim> ahmos: most of that is probably in cache...
[22:47] <professional_min> can Ubuntu desktop could be a server?
[22:47] <tekteen> professional_min: why not?
[22:47] <nosredna_ekim> professional_min: yes, it can
[22:47] <Limbeaux> kmix doesn't give me volume adjustment.  it brings up the mixer
[22:47] <nosredna_ekim> now3d: I think you have to make it hd(0,1)
[22:47] <professional_min> ubuntu desktop edition can also be set-up to webserver?
[22:47] <tekteen> professional_min: yes
[22:47] <jussi01> !lamp > professional_min
[22:47] <now3d> ahmos: what does "top" show as free?
[22:48] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: hd(0,1) would be my C drive wouldnt it tho..?
[22:48] <nosredna_ekim> now3d: not if you are booting from the USB
[22:48] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: ah.. does it swap them!?
[22:48] <professional_min> how to install GUI in ubuntu server?
[22:49] <ahmos> my free memory is about 5% if you meant that
[22:49] <tekteen> professional_min: sudo apt-get install kde
[22:49] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: i wish it just used the /dev/sd** names like normal.. why do they have to be different and use hd(0,1) etc..
[22:49] <jussi01> professional_min: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:49] <thecrono> wow
[22:49] <nosredna_ekim> now3d: I think it does...
[22:49] <tekteen> professional_min: or sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[22:49] <thecrono> as soon as the video started loading flash..my computer locked up and froze..had to pull the plug again
[22:49] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: ok, i will give it a try now, thanks for the tip
[22:50] <Limbeaux> got it.  I had to set sound device as autodetect
[22:50] <professional_min> after which would it look like the desktop edition? like in windows..
[22:50] <tekteen> the latter installs all of the kubuntu desktop programs
[22:50] <tekteen> later*
[22:50] <tekteen> professional_min: yes
[22:50] <jussi01> professional_min: yes, you need to choose if you want ubuntu or kubuntu though
[22:50] <thecrono> anyone know hwat would cause that?
[22:51] <Vermux> it happaned also last time after I install: I cant get into administrative mode in order to change these things now.
[22:51] <Vermux> in system settings
[22:51] <thecrono> what happened vermux?
[22:51] <professional_min> which of the two could you recommend--ubuntu or kubuntu desktop in ubuntu server
[22:52] <tekteen> professional_min: neither and then kubuntu
[22:52] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: graphics driversmaybe...
[22:52] <tekteen> professional_min: I like neither
[22:52] <thecrono> what does that have to do with grphics drivers>?
[22:52] <tekteen> professional_min: but I guess kubuntu is better
[22:52] <thecrono> its flash
[22:52] <professional_min> tekteen: which one could you recommend then?
[22:52] <Vermux> thecrono: In system settings, Im trying to go into Administrative mode under Monitor and Display, Hardware
[22:53] <tekteen> professional_min: kubuntu or none at all. My server runs none
[22:53] <Vermux> thecrono: it doesnt ask me for the passwd
[22:53] <thecrono> maby you don't need one?
[22:53] <Vermux> no, I cant access dialog boxes
[22:53] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: nasty! did you try it again?
[22:53] <ahmos> I'm sorry but how I can know if the swap partition is working?
[22:53] <thecrono> scared to lol
[22:53] <thecrono> let me trty
[22:54] <Vermux> thecrono: it happaned also last time after I installed
[22:54] <professional_min> tekteen: but after successfull configuration of the server...can GUI be then disabled so that others cannot do anything to the server? since most of my collegues have no idea about linux command?
[22:55] <Vermux> the first time I tried to change the resolution it did ask me for the password. but since then, it never
[22:55] <tekteen> professional_min: yes
[22:55] <Vermux> thecrono: is there a known bug for that?
[22:55] <tekteen> professional_min: you just need to turn off kdm and x from starting on boot
[22:56] <jussi01> or just have a password....
[22:56] <professional_min> tekteen what's the command?
[22:56] <tekteen> professional_min: just make a password
[22:56]  * tekteen thanks jussi01
[22:56]  * tekteen has also lost his mind
[22:56] <professional_min> tekteen: what's the command to disable GUI on boot?
[22:56] <jussi01> !helpersnack > tekteen
[22:57] <thecrono> it crashed as soon as the box turned black
[22:57] <thecrono> it turns grey, then black, as soon as it turns black..freeze
[22:57] <tekteen> prg2g brb
[22:57] <jussi01> professional_min: there is no need to do that. just like on windows you can have a password when it boots
[22:57] <tekteen> g3g brb
[22:57] <professional_min> okay..
[22:58] <nosredna_ekim> thecrono: google and see if anyone else has had tha problem,I haven't heard of it yet
[22:58] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in a couple of minutes in #ubuntu-meeting
[22:58] <jussi01> thanks Riddell
[22:58] <tekteen> professional_min: I am back
[22:58] <professional_min> tekteen: you mean during start up what will appear in the screen will look like that of UBUNTU desktop? I've tried ubuntu desktop before actually.. and I like its welcome screen and login
[22:59] <tekteen> professional_min: It will look like the KUBUNTU login
[22:59] <tekteen> which I like
[22:59] <tekteen> you can find a screenshot online
[22:59] <professional_min> tekteen: can I have the link? thanks
[22:59] <tekteen> ok
[23:00] <ahmos> can anyone help me?
[23:00] <jussi01> !ask | ahmos
[23:00] <ubotu> ahmos: Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)
[23:00] <Vermux> what is the command to launch Monitor & Display?
[23:01] <ahmos> how can i know if swap partition is working ?
[23:01] <tekteen> professional_min: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=smkdm.png
[23:01] <nosredna_ekim> ahmos: run "free -m" and see how swap you have
[23:02] <Vermux> why kubuntu doesnt let me go into Administrative mode in system Settings, in Monitor & Display?
[23:02] <professional_min> tekteen: it looks beautiful...
[23:02] <Vermux> I've just installed it
[23:02] <tekteen> professional_min: that will appear on boot
[23:03] <professional_min> tekteen: and after which it will go then to desktop. Right? Just like that in xp
[23:03] <tekteen> yep
[23:03] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: ace! it worked, i USB booted Kubuntu!!
[23:03] <nosredna_ekim> now3d: sweet
[23:03] <professional_min> tekteen: but again that's for ubuntu server installed with GUI to have a look like a desktop. Right?
[23:03] <ahmos> yes it is working ,the used space is14 M.B..thank u
[23:04] <tekteen> professional_min: yep
[23:04] <now3d> nosredna_ekim: i dunno why the installer didnt figure out that it needed to be hd(0,1) tho... also my "Japanese" install looks rather english to me..
[23:04] <Vermux> why kubuntu doesnt let me go into Administrative mode in system Settings, in Monitor & Display?
[23:04] <ahmos> but why my 1.0G.B ram is full?
[23:04] <tekteen> professional_min: linux does not know the diff between desktop and server. It is just what programs are installed
[23:04] <nosredna_ekim> ahmos: look at the line that says "=/- buffers and chace
[23:04] <nosredna_ekim> *+/-
[23:05] <BluesKaj> Vermux, in the terminal: sudo dpkg --configure -a , then relogfin
[23:05] <tekteen> professional_min: install the server part (it is hard to config. without there install tool) and then install the desktop ontop
[23:05] <BluesKaj> relogin
[23:05] <ahmos> 393 used   610 free
[23:06] <Vermux> BluesKaj: log out and log in from the kde?
[23:06] <BluesKaj> yeah
[23:06] <professional_min> tekteen: after  successful installation of ubuntu server...with LAMP of course...and tried to enter our static IP address what appears is the configuration page of the ADSL modem. what do you think?
[23:07] <Vermux> BluesKaj: it happaned also last time after I installed kubuntu
[23:07] <now3d> any idea how to enable Japanese input..? Normally it is Shift+Space, but that does not work..
[23:07] <tekteen> professional_min: I do not understand, Is this after the install?
[23:08] <Vermux> BluesKaj:  it doesnt work
[23:08] <thecrono> man, flahs is busted
[23:08] <thecrono> flash
[23:08] <Vermux> BluesKaj: maybe reboot?
[23:08] <professional_min> tekteen: yeah after the install. I'm using another PC connected in the LAN and internet
[23:08] <thecrono> ho here someone :D
[23:08] <thecrono> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3090739.0
[23:08] <thecrono> go*
[23:08] <Vermux> BluesKaj:  I think it is a bug in Kubuntu
[23:08] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: wonder why... did you see any similar problems on google?
[23:08] <BluesKaj> Vermux, maybe
[23:08] <tekteen> professional_min: so you want to create a staticip?
[23:09] <thecrono> all those problems crashed firefox..not froze my computer
[23:09] <Vermux> why kubuntu doesnt let me go into Administrative mode in system Settings, in Monitor & Display?  It is not the first time it happans after a fresh install
[23:09] <BluesKaj> Vermux, do you see the update manger in the panel ?...you may need to update some apps first
[23:09] <Daisuke_Ido> thecrono: why were you running it as superuser?
[23:09] <professional_min> tekteen: I have static IP actually assigned by our ISP. but when I typed it in the browser..what will appear is the configuration page ADSL modem
[23:09] <thecrono> vermuxes updated failed
[23:09] <BluesKaj> adept update manager
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> of course it wouldn'
[23:10] <thecrono> what Diasuke_Ido?
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> t install to there
[23:10] <tekteen> professional_min: oh
[23:10] <ahmos> nosredna_ekim:it is , 393 used ,610 free(but the mem line: 914 used ,89 free , 0 shared , 24 buffers ,496 cached)
[23:10] <Vermux> BluesKaj: the first thing after I installed Kubuntu I updated it
[23:10] <g2g591> vermux: idk, if you need to do administraive mode anyway, run kdesu systemsettings
[23:10] <tekteen> professional_min: if possible tell it to use dhcp
[23:10] <BluesKaj> Vermux, ok
[23:10] <Vermux> BluesKaj: it gave me an error at the end
[23:10] <tekteen> professional_min: this is NOT a linux thing
[23:10] <thecrono> Diasuke_Ido huh?
[23:10] <Vermux> something about the commit
[23:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i didn't stutter: why did you install it as superuser.  it doesn't go in /usr/anything
[23:11] <tekteen> professional_min: although I can still help
[23:11] <thecrono> if tis global it does
[23:11] <tekteen> professional_min: what are the choices?
[23:11] <professional_min> tekteen: how to help this ?
[23:11] <g2g591> Professional_min: if you're connected to a router, use dhcp, the router will give you the right external ip
[23:11] <Vermux> BluesKaj: so I did sudo apt-get-f install
[23:11] <BluesKaj> aha  Vermux ,, that explains the lack of admin options... you still have broken pkgs
[23:11] <thecrono> /home/thecrono/.mozilla didn't work either btw
[23:11] <tekteen> g2g591: his is setting up a cable modem
[23:12] <professional_min> you mean...webserver won't work with ADSL modem and switch alone?
[23:12] <BluesKaj> Vermux, can you install synaptic?
[23:12] <Daisuke_Ido> perhaps /home/sierra-x/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[23:12] <Daisuke_Ido> instead of just .mozilla
[23:12] <Vermux> BluesKaj: ok, now it asked me for the password, but still didnt give me the Administrative mode
[23:12] <tekteen> professional_min: the cable modem does not know how to reach the internet
[23:12] <thecrono> i don't have sierra-x/
[23:12] <Vermux> BluesKaj: what is it?
[23:12] <Daisuke_Ido> duh
[23:12] <Daisuke_Ido> that's my username :)
[23:12] <thecrono> i have /usr/lib/mozilla
[23:12] <tekteen> professional_min: that is the box the server plugs into
[23:13] <professional_min> tekteen: any solution that you could offer?
[23:13] <thecrono> i tried that awell, the plugin is installed fine..but its broken..is the ENTIER flash player jsut a .so file?
[23:13] <brian_> Thanks alot guys, You've been alot of help!
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> yes
[23:13] <Daisuke_Ido> and it isn't broken
[23:13] <tekteen> professional_min: also you know you are not allowed to run a webserver on dsl without a business plan
[23:13] <thecrono> about:plugin says shockwave flash player is installed
[23:14] <tekteen> professional_min: I think
[23:14] <tekteen> professional_min: you need to talk to Verison
[23:14] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I tried to run Adept_manager and it gave me the error: DCOP Communications error- there was an error setting up inter-process communications for kde
[23:14] <thecrono> oh man
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> either that or your computer just hates flash, which is a possibility, i suppose :\
[23:14] <thecrono> firefox is using libgnash
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> ah...
[23:14] <professional_min> tekteen: I contacted our ISP already.. I do have static IP. it's business plan
[23:14] <thecrono> how do i make ti use the other .so?
[23:14] <tekteen> professional_min: ok
[23:14] <tekteen> nm
[23:14] <Daisuke_Ido> lemme look real quick
[23:15] <tekteen> professional_min: so what is the static IP?
[23:15] <BluesKaj> Vermux, synaptic is a pkg manager like adept or apt , but it has the option to fix broken pkgs that are installed by either adept or apt.
[23:15] <thecrono> Shockwave Flash 8.0 r99. Gnash 0.8.1, the GNU Flash Player. Copyright © 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
[23:15] <Vermux> BluesKaj: "the message returned from the system was Authentication rejected, reason: none of the authontication protocols are supported and host-bast authentication failed
[23:15] <professional_min> I could actually ping our static ip
[23:15] <Vermux> BluesKaj: "please check that the dcopserver program is running"
[23:15] <tekteen> professional_min: this modem thing is something you may need to talk to Verizon about
[23:15] <professional_min> how to talk with verizon?
[23:15] <Vermux> BluesKaj: how do I manually install it?
[23:16] <tekteen> professional_min: call up support?
[23:16] <BluesKaj> Vermux, try: sudo apt-get install synaptic
[23:16] <Daisuke_Ido> could try removing gnash
[23:16] <professional_min> I'm from philippines..
[23:16] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be the first step :)
[23:16] <tekteen> professional_min: ok
[23:17] <thecrono> yeah
[23:17] <g2g591> professional_min: if your connected to a router, dhcp is fine as long as the router is set up
[23:17] <tekteen> professional_min: Is there a place to call?
[23:17] <tekteen> professional_min: I am sorry but I need to go.
[23:18] <tekteen> bye
[23:18] <professional_min> tekteen: thanks for the time..
[23:18] <tekteen> np
[23:18] <Vermux> BluesKaj: ok, I installed it
[23:18] <professional_min> g2g591: thanks for the idea...
[23:19] <thecrono> is it possiable to make 'kdesu dolphin' a desktop icon?
[23:19] <professional_min> g2g59i: are you suggesting that I need to buy a router for this?
[23:19] <Vermux> BluesKaj: what now?
[23:19] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: yes
[23:19] <BluesKaj> Vermux, ok open synaptic , clikck on edit/fixbroken packages /apply
[23:19] <thecrono> how?
[23:20] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: just put "kdesudo dolphin" as the command
[23:21] <tekteen> professional_min: I am back
[23:21] <Vermux> BluesKaj: do I have to choose everything that in the list?
[23:21] <professional_min> tekteen: thanks
[23:21] <tekteen> professional_min: so you have a way to call verizon?
[23:21] <professional_min> may I have the number/
[23:22] <professional_min> is it a person or organizationm?
[23:22] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I clicked on Fix Broken Packages but nothing happaned
[23:22] <thecrono> how do i do that?
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: Try this: Right click the desktop and goto Create New --> Link to application
[23:22] <Odd-rationale> Tell me when you're there...
[23:22] <tekteen> professional_min: the place you got DSL from
[23:22] <tekteen> professional_min: who is your ISP?
[23:23] <professional_min> PLDT
[23:23] <tekteen> professional_min: oh. call them
[23:23] <now3d> hi again. sorry Konversaion crashed when i tried to enabkle japanese
[23:23] <professional_min> how will I tell them?
[23:23] <now3d> has anyone got japanese input working?
[23:24] <tekteen> professional_min: call the ISP and ask them
[23:24] <professional_min> what to configure... I tried to call them actually yesterday.. and they told me that it's an issue in our end..not theirs
[23:24] <tekteen> :-D
[23:24] <professional_min> it's more on configuration in our side..
[23:24] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: Are you there?
[23:25] <thecrono> yeah, one sec
[23:25] <tekteen> professional_min: We need more info to configure your side
[23:25] <BluesKaj> Vermux, I think you have to reboot again
[23:25] <professional_min> okay..
[23:25] <tekteen> professional_min: ask them how to setup the ADSL modem
[23:26] <Vermux> BluesKaj: now it seems to work
[23:26] <BluesKaj> Vermux, before you reboot , sudo apt-get update
[23:26] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: after that, go to the Application tab. Under Command put "kdesudo dolphin". Let me know if that works
[23:26] <Vermux> BluesKaj: Im too tired, I will continue tomorrow
[23:26] <ahmos> hello again ,what is the disk cache memory?
[23:27] <professional_min> tekteen: do you have ym? so that I could contact you anytime?
[23:27] <BluesKaj> Vermux, just do apt-get update first ...see what the output is
[23:27] <tekteen> professional_min: sure
[23:27] <Vermux> BluesKaj: I did, I got all this http addresses
[23:27] <Vermux> BluesKaj: REading packages list...done
[23:27] <BluesKaj> yes that's the repositories
[23:27] <tekteen> professional_min: I sent it to you
[23:28]  * ScorpKing waves..
[23:28] <professional_min> can you be contacted using yahoo messenger?
[23:28] <BluesKaj> that contain the applications , Vermux
[23:28] <tekteen> professional_min: yes
[23:28] <ScorpKing> BluesKaj: found what i was looking for. partition logic. heh
[23:28] <Vermux> BluesKaj: so is it fine?
[23:28] <jimmy51> stdin: I followed your advice and posted a request - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/185217
[23:28] <thecrono> it worked Odd-rationale
[23:29] <BluesKaj> Vermux, check system settings /monitor &display
[23:29] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: Cheers!
[23:29] <stdin> jimmy51: yes I saw, I get bug emails for just about every kde package ;)
[23:29] <ahmos> what is the disk cache memory plz?!!!
[23:29] <professional_min> tekteen: are you online right now?
[23:29] <BluesKaj> the repositories are fine yes, Vermux
[23:29] <tekteen> yes
[23:29] <stdin> !mem
[23:29] <ubotu> A quick FAQ on Memory Management: http://gentoo-wiki.com/FAQ_Linux_Memory_Management For Lubos Lunak's desktop memory usage comparison, see: http://ktown.kde.org/~seli/memory/desktop_benchmark.html
[23:29] <Vermux> BluesKaj: it is good now
[23:29] <jimmy51> stdin:  oh, hehe.  did i do it right?
[23:29] <Vermux> thanks
[23:29] <Vermux> BluesKaj: thanks
[23:30] <BluesKaj> Vermux,YW
[23:30] <stdin> jimmy51: yeah, someone with power to decide on that will see it and examine if it's "worth it", so now you just have to wait
[23:31] <jimmy51> stdin:  ok, thanks.  i will wait anxiously.
[23:32] <thecrono> mozilla will not use libflashplayer.so
[23:32] <thecrono> :(
[23:32] <thecrono> or flashplugin what ever it was
[23:33] <Odd-rationale> !flash | thecrono
[23:33] <ubotu> thecrono: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[23:33] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[23:33] <thecrono> ..
[23:33] <thecrono> none of that works
[23:33] <thecrono> i had to install from adobe.com
[23:33] <thecrono> and even that didn't work
[23:33] <thecrono> so i had to manuallyplace the .so file
[23:33] <thecrono> but firefox won't use it'
[23:35] <thecrono> oh this isn'tgood, i did kdesu dolphin..and it says /home/is completely empty :O
[23:36] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: /home/thechrono?
[23:36] <thecrono> i don't know, it jsut says home
[23:37] <tom540> hey; i just installed kubuntu 7.10 kde4 fresh from a cd.. and I can't find any kind of network manager .. am I missing something here... ?
[23:37] <Odd-rationale> thecrono: That is probably the home or root. not you
[23:37] <thecrono> where is /home/thecrono/.mozilla ?
[23:38] <thecrono> i went to, in kdesu... /home/thecrono/...and nothing
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> tom540: "sudo apt-get install knetworkmanager" and kde4 support is in #kubuntu-kde4
[23:38] <thecrono> no .mozilla
[23:38] <SlimeyPete> anythig with a . before it is hidden
[23:38] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: any . folder will be hidden, type in maually into the location bar
[23:38] <SlimeyPete> won't turn up in file browsers
[23:38] <tom540> nosrednaekim; that'll be kind of hard when I can't connect to the internet at all.
[23:38] <tom540> nosrednaekim that'll be kind of hard when I can't connect to the internet at all. (sorry, don't think that went through.. this stupid client puts bold in text sometimes)
[23:38] <thecrono> there is no location bar in dolphin
[23:39] <thecrono> your connected to the net now tom540
[23:39] <tom540> I'm on a different computer?
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> tom540: oh...very true :) the kde4 liveCD is not really meant to be installed.do you have wireless?
[23:39] <nosrednaekim> tom540: it did
[23:39] <tom540> yes, I have wireless.. I didn't want to install kde4 overtop of 3.5.8, so I just did a fresh install
[23:39] <thecrono> so how do i do this?
[23:39] <ScorpKing> thecrono: you have to click on Root (red) then home
[23:40] <tom540> I also have wired, but without a networking manager.. it's kind of hard =/
[23:40] <nosrednaekim> tom540: wired is simple without a networkmanager, just plug it in and run "sudo dhclient eth0"
[23:40] <Daisuke_Ido> soo...  has ati gotten to the point where it's recommendable?
[23:40] <tom540> k; hold on
[23:40] <thecrono> theres no plugins folder in.mozilla
[23:41] <thecrono>  :(
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> thecrono➜ click on view, then show hidden files.
[23:41] <sub[t]rnl> explore an application a little bit, it'll be good for you
[23:41] <ScorpKing> thecrono: ~.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> thecrono: /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins ?
[23:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ScorpKing: global
[23:41] <ScorpKing> ah
[23:41] <thecrono> global won't work
[23:41] <thecrono> mozilla won't use any plugins in global
[23:43] <tom540> wow, thanks nos. you are the man. i should be able to fair well from here.
[23:43] <thecrono> i have the best news in the universe
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> ah
[23:43] <thecrono> application/x-shockwave-flash 	Shockwave Flash 	swf 	Yes
[23:43] <thecrono> application/futuresplash 	FutureSplash Player 	spl 	Yes
[23:43] <thecrono> :O
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> awesome
[23:43] <ScorpKing> :) haha
[23:43] <thecrono> now lets see how long ti takes to crash
[23:43] <Daisuke_Ido> just gnash interfering?
[23:44] <ScorpKing> thecrono: konqueror should be able to use those and have flash
[23:44] <thecrono> i deleted gnash mozilla plugin froma dept
[23:44] <thecrono> adept
[23:44] <thecrono> tchecking youtube now
[23:44] <thecrono> PWNT
[23:44] <thecrono> it works :D
[23:44]  * thecrono celebrates
[23:44] <thecrono> now i got a new problem
[23:45]  * ScorpKing stops celebrating..
[23:45] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: haha
[23:45] <Daisuke_Ido> what's the new problem?
[23:45] <thecrono> let me pick oen, one sec
[23:45] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: I swear you were sent here to test us ;)
[23:46] <ScorpKing> haha
[23:46] <Daisuke_Ido> SlimeyPete: not a bad thing though.
[23:46] <thecrono> hrm
[23:46] <thecrono> this may jsut be grphical, but it says two partitions are disabled...
[23:46] <thecrono> even though i can rbwose them
[23:47] <thecrono> but, i cannot fine my /extra/ partition
[23:47] <thecrono>  er, /spare/
[23:48] <ScorpKing> bedtime for me. nite guys
[23:48] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: run "mount" in a terminal, it'll tell you everything that's mounted, and where
[23:48] <thecrono> /dev/sda7 on /spare type ext3 (rw)
[23:48] <thecrono> that'sit..but, i cannot find it
[23:48] <thecrono> in dolphin
[23:49] <[ka]killer> @_@
[23:49] <val0> i am trying to mount a USB HD through Dolphin and get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused on uid 1000" any clue?
[23:49]  * [ka]killer sweats
[23:49] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: so you're clicking on Root on the left and it's not showing up in the list?
[23:49] <[ka]killer> ok i just got a new 500gb drive
[23:49] <thecrono> no, /spare/isnt there
[23:49] <[ka]killer> formatted to reiserfs
[23:50] <thecrono> why is dolphin the default bwosers anyways?..isn't it exprimental software?
[23:50] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: hmm, what about if you run "ls /" in a terminal?
[23:50] <[ka]killer> how do i change the mount point 0_0
[23:50] <thecrono> oh, i found it
[23:50] <SlimeyPete> thecrono: it's newish but pretty stable
[23:50] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: so into systemsettings->advanced->disks and filesystems
[23:50] <tekteen>  is it automounting? [ka]killer
[23:50] <[ka]killer> no
[23:50] <[ka]killer> thats the problem
[23:51] <tekteen> is it in fstab?
[23:51] <thecrono> hrm, i know i got soem more problems.. how do i install GTK+ 1.2?
[23:51] <[ka]killer> i dont think so
[23:51] <[ka]killer> i just put it in -_-
[23:51] <[ka]killer> how do i edit fstab
[23:51] <tekteen> [ka]killer: was it in when you logged in?
[23:51] <thecrono> i neeed, #  Gtk+ 1.2
[23:51] <thecrono> # Python 2.2 or newer
[23:51] <thecrono> # wxPythonGTK 2.6.0 or newer
[23:51] <[ka]killer> no tekteen, i just installed the drive
[23:52] <[ka]killer> and it will not let me mount it
[23:52] <thecrono> ive no idea how to get those, i did adept search and got fourty-leven results
[23:52] <tekteen> [ka]killer: did you take it out and put it back in
[23:52] <[ka]killer> are you understanding that its a brand new drive?
[23:52] <tekteen> yes
[23:52] <[ka]killer> i pulled one of the old drives and put this one in
[23:52] <[ka]killer> i think thats causing a conflict
[23:52] <tekteen> oh
[23:53] <fernando> wow, a lott of people in here
[23:53] <tekteen> it is not external @.@
[23:53] <[ka]killer> no.. no it is not
[23:53] <[ka]killer> IDE
[23:53] <articpenguin3800> is kubuntu 8.04 going to be based on kde4
[23:53] <tekteen> [ka]killer: and you are replacing another?
[23:53] <fernando> they told so
[23:54] <tekteen> articpenguin3800: yes
[23:54] <Daisuke_Ido> articpenguin3800: two releases to my knowledge, neither one a LTS release
[23:54] <tekteen> articpenguin3800: it will have both
[23:54] <[ka]killer> how this is going to work, is im pulling the data off of the one thats in there now, pulling it, putting the other one in, copying the files to the new drive then reinstallign the first drive
[23:54] <tekteen> ok
[23:55] <tekteen> have you ever used the command line?
[23:55] <tom540> nosrednaekim; you still here? i can't even get knetworkmanager to scan wirelessly..
[23:55] <[ka]killer> why yes
[23:55] <Daisuke_Ido> thecrono: what are you trying to install that requires a version of GTK+ that old?
[23:55] <[ka]killer> ive done this before its just been a while -_-
[23:55] <nosrednaekim> tom540: yep...
[23:55] <tekteen> the command to mount is mount
[23:55] <[ka]killer> yes
[23:55] <[ka]killer> i tried that
[23:55] <thecrono> PySoulSeek
[23:55] <thecrono> p2p
[23:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ooh
[23:55] <thecrono> maby i can use somethign newer
[23:55] <Daisuke_Ido> it's been deprecated for a looong time
[23:55] <val0> i am trying to mount a USB HD through Dolphin and get "hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused on uid 1000" any clue?
[23:55] <tekteen> mount /dev/hdb /mountpoint
[23:55] <Daisuke_Ido> install nicotine+
[23:55] <tom540> nosrednaekim; well, I installed knetworkmanager.. but when I plugged in the ethernet cable, it didn't even auto connect.. i had to type the comamnd you gave me last time. and it doesn't even scan for wireless networks.. any idea?
[23:56] <thecrono> really?
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> (newer fork of pysoulseek, in the repos, too :)
[23:56] <thecrono> nicotine+ have alot of..erm..cough mp3?
[23:56] <thecrono> cough
[23:56] <tekteen> [ka]killer: what is the error message?
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> it's soulseek
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> so
[23:56] <thecrono> ah, same servers as soulseek?
[23:56] <Daisuke_Ido> *cough*yes*cough*
[23:56] <thecrono> cough
[23:56] <tekteen> when you try to mount
[23:56] <nosrednaekim> tom540: try doing "kdesudo kate /etc/network/interfaces"
[23:56] <nosrednaekim> thecrono: someone has been smoking a little too much.... nicotine..
[23:56] <[ka]killer> john@Jimmy:~$ sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt/disk
[23:56] <[ka]killer> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[23:57] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just the newer pysoulseek, that's all it is.  got a name change because he wanted to release a program called nicotine, and then release patches for it :D
[23:57] <thecrono> apt-get nicotine+ ?
[23:57] <tekteen> ok
[23:57] <tekteen> hold on
[23:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !find nicotine
[23:57] <ubotu> Found: nicotine
[23:57] <Daisuke_Ido> !info nicotine
[23:57] <ubotu> nicotine (source: nicotine): graphical client for the SoulSeek peer-to-peer system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.8+dfsg-1 (gutsy), package size 609 kB, installed size 2924 kB
[23:57] <[ka]killer> its formatted as reiserfs
[23:57] <Daisuke_Ido> there you go
[23:57] <tekteen> mount -t reiserfs ...
[23:57] <Daisuke_Ido> just nicotine
[23:58] <[ka]killer> john@Jimmy:~$ sudo mount -t reiserfs /dev/sdc /mnt/disk
[23:58] <[ka]killer> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdc,
[23:58] <[ka]killer>        missing codepage or other error
[23:58] <[ka]killer>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[23:58] <[ka]killer>        dmesg | tail  or so
[23:58] <thecrono> if its more than 5 lines use pastebin
[23:58] <tom540> nosrednaekim; http://www.pastebin.ca/870315
[23:58] <[ka]killer> sorry
[23:59] <thecrono> [5 line sis my own limit btw]
[23:59] <stdin> [ka]killer: /dev/sdc is the entire disk, try mounting only one partition
[23:59] <thecrono> oaste.ubuntu.org [right?]
[23:59] <tekteen> try reiser instead of reiserfs
[23:59] <thecrono> !paste
[23:59] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[23:59] <[ka]killer> the entire disk is only one partition -__
[23:59] <thecrono> there ya go killer
[23:59] <articpenguin3800> reiser is reiserfs
[23:59] <tekteen> I know
[23:59] <Daisuke_Ido> [ka]killer: you still have to specify a partition
[23:59] <tekteen> oh