[00:00] <pierreth> soren: Opera?
[00:00] <soren> firefox has an annyoing habit of caching the mimetype of a the response of a given url and doesn't really want to forget it.
[00:00] <pierreth> OK
[00:00] <soren> ...so it's quite likely that it's working, but firefox is tricking you into thinking that that's not the case.
[00:00]  * soren kicks firefox
[00:00] <soren> Use wget.
[00:01] <pierreth> OK firefox was the problem!!
[00:01] <pierreth> Everything was OK!
[00:01] <pierreth> thank you
[00:02] <leonel> soren: thats wierd
[00:02] <soren> leonel: Quite.
[00:02] <soren> pierreth: np
[00:04] <lamont> ScottK: around?
[00:10] <pierreth> soren: Opera refresh with the same page when the server is down
[00:11] <pierreth> it does not want to load the page, so the old page stay at the screen intead of giving an error
[00:12] <soren> pierreth: I remember IE at one point cached 404 responses. That cost me most of a day of pointless debugging.
[00:13] <pierreth> soren: very smart!!!
[00:13] <soren> Yes, I'm sure the idiot who implemented it thought so.
[00:14]  * antdedyet has been going through a redhat horror story today
[00:15] <pierreth> I had to delete the cache to make my php script work
[00:15] <pierreth> a restart is not enough
[00:18] <pierreth> it seems that php work without my config
[00:35]  * lamont goes digging in irc logs to find where ScottK's stuff is
[00:36] <leonel> lamont:  clamav ?
[00:37] <lamont> yeah
[00:37] <leonel> lamont:  https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-clamav/+archive
[00:38] <leonel> and the results  are in  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Clamav
[00:38] <lamont> leonel: ah, I was just gonna grab them from ScottK's url
[00:42] <lamont> ScottK: feh.  W: sylpheed-claws-gtk2 source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log
[00:42] <lamont> I know, not your fault
[00:47] <lamont> W: sylpheed-claws source: package-has-a-duplicate-build-relation libaspell-dev, libaspell-dev (>= 0.50.3)
[00:47] <lamont> W: sylpheed-claws source: configure-generated-file-in-source config.log
[00:47] <lamont> looks reasonable. :-)
[00:48] <ScottK> lamont: It's a straight backport from what's in the Feisty repository.
[00:49] <lamont> yeah
[00:49] <ScottK> lamont: Grab my .dsc's - Ther PPA version numbering will screw you if you grab them from here.
[00:49] <ScottK> here/there
[00:49] <ScottK> Urgh.
[00:49] <lamont> yeah - I grabbed yours.
[00:49] <ScottK> lamont: I gather you got the urls?
[00:50] <lamont> And we're gonna see if my sig on a .changes and your sig on a .dsc is good enough for  poppy
[00:50] <lamont> yeah
[00:50] <ScottK> Cool.
[00:50] <lamont> it was in the log file, just not in xchat scrollback...
[00:50]  * ScottK runs off to play Daddy again for a while.
[00:52]  * lamont does a testbuild
[00:56] <lamont>  /build/lamont/php-clamavlib-0.12a/clamav.c:147: error: 'CL_DB_STDOPT' undeclared (first use in this function)
[00:56] <lamont> so what does it need beyond what's in dapper{,-security,-updates}
[00:58] <lamont> ScottK: these better build in LP-land.
[01:02] <lamont>  OK: php-clamavlib_0.12a-4~dapper1.dsc
[01:02] <lamont>      -> Component: universe Section: web
[01:02] <lamont> This upload awaits approval by a distro manager
[01:02] <lamont> Maintainer: Jonas Genannt <jonas.genannt@capi2name.de>
[01:02] <lamont> Changed-By: Scott Kitterman <scott@kitterman.com>
[01:02] <lamont> hrm.. I hope no one gets annoyed by ScottK not changing the Maintainer addr...
[01:16] <ScottK> lamont: Not for Dapper.
[01:16] <ScottK> lamont: Thanks.
[01:17] <lamont> heh
[01:17] <lamont> it's uploaded.  fwiw, it's your sig on the .dsc, so it'll be interesting to see what LP says.
[01:17] <lamont> once $DISTROMANAGER says "OK"
[01:59] <stiv2k> help
[01:59] <stiv2k> this mysqld_safe script is running is consuming 100% CPU its been like this for a few days now
[01:59] <stiv2k> even with mysql service stopped, the script continues to use up CPU time
[02:06] <owh> I'm doing a backup with rsync and I want to exclude /proc /dev /sys /tmp, but if I use --exclude /tmp, then any path that has those four characters in it, say /home/bob/tmp/ will also be excluded, will it not?
[02:12] <owh> OOh, I just RTFM'd for a fifth time. I was wrong. The / in the exclude pattern matches against the beginning of the path.
[02:22] <kriel> Okay. Here's a new one on me. Two seperate ubuntu 7.10 CD's, And this same error comes up if I try to install to hard disk or if I try to check CD for errors.
[02:23] <kriel> [##.######] ata1.00: cmd c8/00:08:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/e0 tag 0 cdb 0x0 data 4096 in [##.######] ata 1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x2 frozen
[02:23] <kriel> rinse, repeat. several times.
[02:25] <kriel> any suggestions?
[02:29] <owh> kriel: Can you run the memcheck tool from the CD?
[02:30] <kriel> owh: didn't try yet. both the install and the check cd options came up with the error, though.
[02:30] <kriel> i kind of just let it sit and think it through, and it's going through the install... painfully slow, but at least it's going. currently it's stalled at the detecting hardware for CDroms.
[02:34] <owh> Here is a description of some thoughts that others are having: http://www.perry-nelson.com/blog/2007/10/21/gutsy-gibbon-live-cd-boot-problem/
[02:35] <kriel> ill check it out... it just failed to find my CD rom drive, so that could very well be it.
[02:35] <kriel> Thanks.
[02:37] <owh> kriel: Based on the suggested blacklist options on that page, you could probably boot your CD with some kernel blacklist options as suggested at point 5.2.1.3 on this page: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.sparc/ch05s02.html
[02:38] <ScottK> I'd try the alternate CD.  I seem to have more luck with that as a rule.
[02:38] <owh> kriel: Also, you can try booting in rescue mode, it may not load the same modules.
[02:39] <owh> ScottK: The first URL I showed and other google hits seem to indicate that this doesn't work for that error, but I do agree, it's not a bad suggestion.
[02:39] <ScottK> That's the first thing I always do when I hit a problem.
[02:40] <owh> If you have bandwidth to spare, or if you already have the CD, then fair enough.
[02:40] <kriel> owh: but I'm trying to install server. since when does server have an alternate CD?
[02:41] <kriel> and you read my mind about those blacklist options..
[02:43] <lamont> alternate is the other CD...
[02:43] <lamont> server cd differs from alternate in what packages are on the CD or not...
[02:43] <kriel> alternate, being, the ubuntu-desktop alternate CD?
[02:43] <lamont> (alternate will let you install ubuntu-desktop, et al; server has server-ish bits, and less -desktop bits)
[02:43] <kriel> and not the ubuntu-server CD?
[02:44] <ScottK> But if you can get the alternate to install, you can turn your install into a server after it's installed.
[02:44] <lamont> there are 3 CDs: desktop, alternate, server.
[02:45] <kriel> ScottK: well, originally it had ubuntu-desktop on it. (6.06, I think, but it was fully upgraded afaik. but I think I nuked that a little while ago, so I don't know... I'll attempt it with the alternate CD.
[02:50] <owh> kriel: You could also attach a USB cd drive if that helps.
[02:51] <kriel> owh: if only i had one.
[02:51] <owh> :)
[02:51] <owh> You could network boot it.
[02:51] <kriel> owh: that link you gave me suggested adding all_generic_ide at the end of the boot options..
[02:52] <owh> Sounds like a sensible option.
[02:52] <owh> I gotta go, leave a message here if you need more.
[02:52] <kriel> owh: haven't worked with netboots yet. still a nooblet in the ways of the linux. not to mention the ways of the networking..
[02:52] <kriel> mkay. Seeya later.
[02:56] <milestone_> hi all
[02:58] <milestone_> i am writing a network documentation about our server farm. And i am wondering what is the best way to document hdd partitions, so that both human and machine can easily understand how big the partitions are. I have been using fdisk -l hoping that the blocks printed there can be inserted in case of a desaster recovery and we have to recover from bare metal
[02:59] <milestone_> but it turns out that the blocks stand in relation to the cylinders
[02:59] <milestone_> and the test person was not able to do a bare metal recovery
[02:59] <milestone_> is it better to document such things with sfdisk?
[10:46] <Gargoyle> morning all
[14:28] <Gargoyle> Anyone know if it is safe to rsync the entire /etc/apache directory to another host?
[14:34] <soren> Gargoyle: I don't see a problem with that.
[14:34] <soren> Well, unless you've done "interesting" things to it.
[14:43] <Gargoyle> nahh
[14:43] <Gargoyle> jsut 2 bog standard installs, 1 live and 1 on a 15 min rsync backup
[15:06] <rotini> any of you guys using postfix?  My instance of it is trying, every 5 minutes, to email something to root@localhost.  I suspect i should make it stop that.  Any suggestions?  I can't figure out what it's doing, nor what triggers it every 5
[15:07] <lamont> rotini: generally the content of such mail is a big clue
[16:01] <rotini> heheh
[16:22] <ubuntunut> Hey guys. Just curious as to how a cli handles network connections if /etc/network/interfaces is bare
[16:23] <ivoks> it doesn't
[16:26] <ubuntunut> It... doesn't.
[16:26] <ubuntunut> Fair enough.
[16:26] <ubuntunut> I'm guessing my install of wpa_supplicant is what gets me connected currently, yes?
[16:27] <ivoks> if you don't have /etc/network/interfaces, you don't get network connection
[16:27] <ivoks> unless you set it up manualy with ifconfig/iwconfig/wpa_supplicant/something_else
[16:28] <ubuntunut> ivoks: Alrighty. wpa_supplicant explains it then
[16:29] <ivoks> iirc, wpa_supplicant alone can't get you connected
[16:32] <ubuntunut> I was able to get on after running this install script written by some very clever UP students: http://www.pittgeeks.org/projects/files/new_install.py
[16:32] <ubuntunut> I did no more, no less.
[16:34] <ivoks> that script does a lot
[16:35] <ivoks> it starts dhcp client
[16:35] <ivoks> and lots of other things...
[16:35] <ivoks> after running this script, it's kind of funny to say 'i did just this' :)
[16:35] <ubuntunut> ivoks: I see. I apologize for bothering you then. was just curious how I'd initialize network connectivity when I got out of the dorm and back home.
[16:36] <ubuntunut> I'm not fluent in python if you couldn't tell :)
[18:38] <coffeedude> dendrobates: Just sent you updated files for likewise-open packages.
[18:38] <dendrobates> coffeedude: thanks, I'll check them out.
[18:38] <ivoks> hi guys
[18:39] <coffeedude> dendrobates: Built on gutsy,  testing latest version of hardy now.
[18:39] <dendrobates> ivoks: hi
[18:39] <soren> &win 158
[18:39] <soren> gah..
[18:39] <soren> frickin us keyboard
[18:40] <mathiaz> hi ivoks
[20:16] <zul> meeting in 45 minutes?
[20:17] <foo> zul: for?
[20:17] <zul> server-team
[20:17]  * ajmitch will just lurk again
[20:18] <foo> zul: what is the meeting about?
[20:18] <ajmitch> server stuff :)
[20:18] <zul> foo: check the wiki
[20:18] <foo> :) cool. link?
[20:18]  * foo debates lurking 
[20:18] <zul> check the topic
[20:18] <foo> in #server-team or here
[20:18] <foo> ahhh, doh, ok.
[20:18] <foo> cool
[20:19] <rotini> hello all.  I'm looking at sysv-rc-conf here, and I see that udev and udev-finish aren't run at any runlevels.  That must be right, because I didn't screw around with this, but it seems strange.
[20:20] <foo> hm, speaking of which, I think I broke my laptop.
[20:21] <ajmitch> rotini: /etc/rcS.d, but it's initially started in initramfs, iirc
[20:26] <foo> 37 seconds for ubuntu with xdm, not bad, I don't think.
[20:31] <rotini> ajmitch: so I shouldn't be seeing it in that list?  The system is working, so...
[20:34] <ajmitch> no, you should see it there
[21:29] <Gargoyle> greetings
[22:26] <ivoks> zul: that drbd patch is 17830 lines long
[22:27] <zul> ivoks: sen me a url so i can look
[22:28] <ivoks> zul: http://www.grad.hr/~ivoks/patch-linux-2.6.24-drbd-8.0.7
[22:28] <zul> ivoks: thanks
[22:47] <thomas_newbie__> Hi. Can someone help me. Whenever I log in to my phpBB form it redirects me to a "server not found". But when I press the Back button, I am in fact now logged in
[23:19] <luckyone> hello all
[23:19] <luckyone> can anyone help me with network bridging?
[23:20] <luckyone> I need to connect a device to my eth0, then I need that device to use eth0 to connect to my network via ath0
[23:20] <luckyone> is this possible?
[23:24]  * lamont wanders offline for a while
[23:31] <dho_ragus> luckyone: brctl is the bridge control tool
[23:32] <luckyone> dho_ragus: right - I have created a bridge, added the two interfaces, but nothing works...
[23:32] <dho_ragus> try `sudo brctl addbr br1` then `sudo brctl addif br1 eth0` and `sudo brctl addif br1 ath0`
[23:32] <dho_ragus> oh
[23:33] <dho_ragus> really?
[23:33] <dho_ragus> can you sniff traffic from across the bridge?
[23:34] <dho_ragus> does the bridged system still have internet access?
[23:41] <soren> ...turns out I was wrong. the LSI driver *is* in the hardy virtual kernel image.