[00:01] <nixternal> hahaha
[00:03] <emonkey> nixternal, could only vote motus and devs or members too?
[00:04] <nixternal> I think everyone, but I don't know honestly
[00:05] <emonkey> maybe I'm just too tired to see it
[00:05] <apachelogger> nixternal: only ubuntu development team members
[00:05] <stdin> nixternal: I think team polls are only open to the teams
[00:06] <mhb> yes, they are.
[00:06] <cheguevara> Voting team:  Ubuntu Development Team
[00:06] <mhb> not even I, mhb the great, can vote.
[00:06] <cheguevara> lol
[00:15] <apachelogger> stdin: ideas about latest comment on Bug 185407
[00:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185407 in kdenetwork-kde4 "missing the config windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185407
[00:16] <apachelogger> nixternal: do I have to approve you? :P
[00:20] <stdin> apachelogger_: odd, I don't see that happening for me
[00:20] <apachelogger> stdin: I can't even think about a reason for this
[00:21] <stdin> I can't either
[00:22] <cheguevara> does kdebase-workspace now depend on kdm-kde4
[00:23] <apachelogger> nope, I think I forgot to do this
[00:23] <apachelogger> ...when I updated workspace
[00:24] <cheguevara> yeah bug 183800
[00:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183800 in kdebase-workspace "cannot lock KDE 4 desktop" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183800
[00:24] <cheguevara> damn distro confusion
[00:24]  * cheguevara just wrote equery depends kdebase-workspace in kubuntu
[00:29] <cheguevara> can anyone else reproduce  bug 184434
[00:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 184434 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.0 panel & App. Launcher freak out when running Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184434
[00:31] <stdin> nope
[00:31] <articpenguin3800> is kde4 going to be defualt in hardy+1
[00:31] <apachelogger> yes
[00:32] <apachelogger> cheguevara: I think this is related to a driver issue
[00:32] <apachelogger> cheguevara: does the report say whether composite is active?
[00:32] <cheguevara> no i'll ask
[00:32]  * apachelogger patches kdelibs
[00:32] <cheguevara> and ask which driver his using
[00:32] <apachelogger> k
[00:32] <apachelogger> cheguevara: set status to incomplete
[00:32] <apachelogger> in case you can :D
[00:32] <cheguevara> yep
[00:34] <cheguevara> so apachelogger [KDE 4] in title and kde4 tag?
[00:35] <apachelogger> cheguevara: just tag
[00:35] <apachelogger> should be enough, at least for me
[00:35] <cheguevara> kk
[00:35] <apachelogger> cheguevara: you can however add it to the titel as well
[00:35] <apachelogger> thats up to you :P
[00:36] <cheguevara> might as well add them then :P
[00:36] <cheguevara> too bad there is no easy way to list the kde 4 packages in one place atm
[00:41] <stdin> cheguevara: kde4libs kdeaccessibility-kde4 kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4 kdegraphics-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdepimlibs kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4  should be the bulk
[00:41] <cheguevara> ah nice thanks
[00:45] <apachelogger> +dragonplayer :P
[00:45] <cheguevara> anybody uses the ppa gutsy packages?
[00:45] <nosrednaekim> yes
[00:46] <nosrednaekim> though I haven't updated in a while
[00:46] <apachelogger> what
[00:46] <apachelogger> a
[00:46] <apachelogger> shame
[00:46] <apachelogger> :(
[00:46] <Nightrose> I do
[00:46] <cheguevara> when you a chance can you check if bug 183734 and bug 182210 are still valid
[00:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183734 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-kde4 package broken due to unavailable dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183734
[00:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182210 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182210
[00:46] <Nightrose> and they are updated
[00:47] <apachelogger> cheguevara: yes they are
[00:47] <apachelogger> I didn't touch artwork yet
[00:47] <cheguevara> *sets to confirmed then*
[00:47] <apachelogger> cheguevara: please assign me as well
[00:48] <cheguevara> lol you read my mind was about to ask if you want me to do that
[00:48] <nixternal> apachelogger: we don't need to collaborate with Fedora, their current plan is to totally replace KDE 3
[00:48] <apachelogger> ^_^
[00:48] <apachelogger> nixternal: isn't that the ultimate idea of us as well? :)
[00:48] <nixternal> actually, nix that, we should still stay in contact...I am creating a list of contacts now
[00:49] <apachelogger> good idea
[00:49] <nixternal> I misread their plan
[00:49] <crimsun> (and OpenSUSE?)
[00:49] <apachelogger> maybe we should form a distro collaboration team in genearl
[00:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: wasn´t there some talk about a mailinglist about that some time ago?
[00:49] <apachelogger> as part of freedesktop.org maybe
[00:49] <Nightrose> on the planets?
[00:49] <nixternal> we have one around here somewhere
[00:50] <nixternal> nobody is active from the last I seen..check with stdin, I think he was working with them, though I can't remember 100%
[00:50] <apachelogger> stdin: ^
[00:50] <apachelogger> crimsun: opensuse didn't decide much
[00:51] <apachelogger> they still dunno whether to use kde3 or 4 as default
[00:51] <apachelogger> the only thing that is going to happen is that 3 is going to contain parts of 4 and vice versa
[00:51] <cheguevara> mandriva?
[00:51] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[00:51] <apachelogger> dunno about them yet
[00:51] <apachelogger> omg
[00:52] <apachelogger> now it's 2am :D
[00:52] <stdin> huh? it's late and backscroll isn't helping me. what was I working with?
[00:52] <apachelogger> this ain't gonna end well
[00:52] <apachelogger> stdin: a distro collaboration working group thingy
[00:53]  * apachelogger is still compiling kdelib
[00:53] <stdin> well, I don't remember anything to do with that
[00:53] <apachelogger> s
[00:53] <apachelogger> stdin: so nixternal was lying
[00:53]  * Nightrose is currently checking where she read about that
[00:53] <cheguevara> kde3 will be the default in mandriva 2008 spring
[00:53] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[00:53] <Nightrose> gimme some minutes
[00:53] <stdin> apachelogger: no, he's just been using vista too long, and it's started to erode his brain :p
[00:53]  * cheguevara kick ubotu 
[00:54] <apachelogger> meh
[00:54] <apachelogger> I luv vista :|
[00:54] <cheguevara> we know you do :P
[00:54] <apachelogger> Nightrose: why are you up anyway?
[00:54] <Nightrose> apachelogger: for you honey ;-)
[00:55] <Nightrose> http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=250
[00:55] <Nightrose> there it is
[00:55] <apachelogger> mhhh
[00:55] <Nightrose> that is what I was talking about
[00:55] <Nightrose> dunno how far that went
[00:55] <apachelogger> Nightrose: we should stop talking on irc
[00:56]  * apachelogger jumps over to Nightrose and starts cuddling
[00:56] <Nightrose> apachelogger: why?
[00:56] <stdin> cheguevara: I don't get the issues with the bugs mentioned. and I have a feeling 182210 is due to an old/outdated package being installed
[00:56] <Nightrose> yay
[00:56] <Nightrose> ;-)
[00:56]  * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger
[00:56] <Nightrose> well have a look at http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=250 everyone
[00:56] <Nightrose> maybe this is useful
[00:57] <cheguevara> stdin, mark them as invalid if you are sure, i can't test
[00:57] <Nightrose> meh seems like there was no real result there...
[00:57] <Nightrose> just talking
[00:57] <Nightrose> damn it
[00:57] <stdin> well I just ssh'd into my gutsy machine and apt-get didn't complain
[00:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that is just crazy talk, collaboration between debian and ubuntu is almost inbreeding
[00:59] <Nightrose> apachelogger: *g*
[00:59] <apachelogger> "How many contributors do you have ? Are they split into different “classes” ? Who has “commit rights” ? Can you give out “commit rights” restricted to subsets of your packages ? A organized sponsorship system for people who don’t have commit rights ?"
[00:59] <Nightrose> well seems like something like that is really needed
[00:59] <Nightrose> maybe start something at freedesktop.org
[00:59] <apachelogger> What the f*** ?
[00:59] <apachelogger> Nightrose: agreed
[00:59] <apachelogger> fdo project
[01:00] <Nightrose> jep
[01:00] <apachelogger> with proper discussions
[01:00] <Nightrose> hmm
[01:00] <apachelogger> for stuff like how do we migrate KDE 3 stuff to KDE 4
[01:00] <Nightrose> right
[01:00]  * apachelogger thinks Nightrose is going to get that rolling :D
[01:00] <Nightrose> oO
[01:01] <Nightrose> I can start something after friday evening
[01:01] <Nightrose> but not before that
[01:02] <apachelogger> earlier than me I guess
[01:02] <Nightrose> hmm right
[01:02] <Nightrose> nixternal: you are creating the list of distros/people to contact?
[01:03] <Nightrose> then I will try to get something rolling at freedesktop.org on late friday
[01:03] <nixternal> Nightrose: yes
[01:03] <stdin> cheguevara: question: why did you mark 183734 as confirmed?
[01:03] <Nightrose> nixternal: great
[01:03] <apachelogger> bug 183734
[01:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 183734 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-kde4 package broken due to unavailable dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183734
[01:03] <cheguevara> stdin, because apachelogger told me to
[01:04] <stdin> silly apachelogger... :p
[01:04] <apachelogger> actually I just stated that I didn't touch artwork yet, so all issues are essentially still true :P
[01:05] <cheguevara> its still your fault :P
[01:06]  * Nightrose is off to bed - nini folks :)
[01:06] <cheguevara> night Nightrose
[01:06] <Nightrose> *cuddle apachelogger*
[01:06] <yuriy> d'oh forgot the meeting again
[01:06] <cheguevara> lol
[01:06] <cheguevara> write it on your hand next time :P
[01:06] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I'll join you in a minute
[01:06] <apachelogger> or 2
[01:06] <apachelogger> or 3
[01:06] <apachelogger> ...
[01:06] <apachelogger> well
[01:06] <Nightrose> hihi ok honey
[01:07] <cheguevara> ...
[01:07] <cheguevara> can you take that to pm :P
[01:07] <apachelogger> cheguevara: pm?
[01:07] <apachelogger> oh
[01:08] <apachelogger> cools
[01:08] <apachelogger> stdin: I b0rked kdelibs on gutsy :P
[01:08] <apachelogger> -dev has a manual dep on libgif-dev
[01:08] <apachelogger> need to change that I guess :D
[01:08] <stdin> yeah, you do :P
[01:08] <cheguevara> btw mandriva plans are to have kde 3 by default in the next release and have an option in the installer to have kde 4
[01:09] <stdin> I guess it's a good thing it didn't backport yet :)
[01:09] <apachelogger> stdin: well, just change the dep for -dev from libgif-dev to libgif-dev|libungif-dev
[01:11] <cheguevara> doesn't gutsty still use libgif for almsost everything
[01:11] <apachelogger_> btw
[01:11] <apachelogger_> anyone saw my nu kdm-kde4 yet?
[01:11] <apachelogger_> cheguevara: libungif
[01:12] <apachelogger_> in hardy however that has been dropped since upstream maintainer is missing
[01:12] <cheguevara> yeah i know, i did most half of the debdiffs
[01:12] <stdin> apachelogger_: i've been thinking about the whole backporting thing, it may be a good idea to put all the packages you change on a wiki so I can see what needs doing
[01:12] <cheguevara> but i am sure its libgif in gutsy, 'cause it only got changed in hardy
[01:13] <apachelogger_> stdin: I usually send you the source url when I change a package :P
[01:13] <stdin> apachelogger_: yeah, but if you send it to me when i'm away I have to search for it and it's not guaranteed that i'll see it
[01:14] <stdin> I wish there was a way to put all highlights in another tab
[01:15] <apache|mobile> quassel will have to do so
[01:15]  * apache|mobile is wondering why that stupid kdelibs patch didn't work
[01:16] <apache|mobile> very strange
[01:17] <apache|mobile> anyway
[01:17] <apache|mobile> gotta go to bed
[01:17] <apache|mobile> nini
[01:27] <stdin> hmm, I love wasting 15 mins of my life explaining to someone why doing /nick blah_AFK is not a good thing...
[01:30] <cheguevara> lol
[01:31] <cheguevara> but then some times its useful, because you'll spend time pinging the person and wondering if he's there or not
[01:31] <stdin> I even got the classic question "how old are you?" (and by "classic" I mean annoying irrelevant and totally inappropriate)
[01:31] <cheguevara> lol
[01:32] <cheguevara> stdin, ASL??
[01:32] <cheguevara> :P
[01:32] <cheguevara> j/k
[01:32] <stdin> none of your business/yes please/here :)
[01:33] <cheguevara> haha
[01:33]  * cheguevara now thinks stdin is 14
[01:34] <stdin> funny, so did the _AFK guy, he was wrong too :p
[01:34] <cheguevara> must be 13 then :P
[01:34] <stdin> no, it doesn't start with a '1'
[01:35] <stdin> it does end in it though
[01:35] <cheguevara> 51 :P
[01:35] <stdin> um, lower :p
[01:36] <cheguevara> 21 or 31 then
[01:36] <cheguevara> i'd say 21
[01:36] <stdin> exact-o-mondo :)
[01:36] <cheguevara> heh i bet i am the youngest here
[01:37] <stdin> probably not, there's bound to be a toddler slapping a keyboard somewhere :p
[01:37] <cheguevara> heh, yeah a little genius :P
[01:38] <cheguevara> there are posts on PCLinuxOS forums of 13 year olds donating their pocket money
[01:38] <cheguevara> so you never know :P
[01:38] <stdin> heh, I remember the days of spending my pocked money on SuSE and Mandrake
[01:39] <stdin> *pocket
[01:39] <cheguevara> heh i think 'cause of growing up pretty poor, donating is an issue for me
[01:40] <stdin> donate time and effort, those are the most valuable things to a community
[01:40] <cheguevara> yeah thats what i end up doing, plus donating deffinetely won't give us another Riddell lol
[01:41] <stdin> there's only one Riddell
[01:41] <stdin> thank god :p
[01:41] <cheguevara> haha
[01:41] <jjesse> oh they haven't cloned Riddell yet?
[01:41] <cheguevara> they are still working on it
[01:42] <cheguevara> but somethign went work and the clone starts all its words with K
[01:42] <cheguevara> :P
[01:45] <stdin> uhh, why did i put the same keyboard shortcut to /part channels as to close tabs...
[01:45] <stdin> tabs in FF that si
[01:45] <stdin> is
[01:45] <cheguevara> heh
[01:46] <cheguevara> logic
[01:46] <cheguevara> part chan == close tab
[01:47] <stdin> but it means that when I hold ctrl-w down to close my 50 tabs and exit FF and the irc client is under FF I part 3 or 4 channels :p
[01:53] <cheguevara> can't you just quit firefox if you are closing it anyway
[01:56] <gribelu> or don't let it exit when you close the last tab..
[01:56] <stdin> there's no shortcut to quit Ctrl-Q = nothign
[01:56] <gribelu> alt-f4?
[01:56] <stdin> but that's assigned to something else, in kwin
[01:56] <stdin> I don't have a "Close window" shortcut in it
[01:57] <cheguevara> or you could just click that little x button in the top right corner :P
[01:57] <stdin> but, that'd involve me using the mouse
[01:57] <cheguevara> oh noez
[01:57] <cheguevara> :P
[01:57] <stdin> my fingers are on the keys, why should I have to move them somewhere else just to close a window ;)
[01:59] <gribelu> there's also and extension called keyconfig if you reaaaly need a key for quit
[02:03] <stdin> gribelu: seems like too much hard work to get one shortcut working, I usually have my irc client minimised when browsing anyway
[02:04] <gribelu> jesus..
[02:05] <cheguevara> heh
[02:08] <jjesse> how is everyone tonight?
[02:08] <jjesse> kwwii: just wanted to say i love the look of hardy.... even though it isn't all black like i read on a blog during UDS-Boston
[02:16] <blizzzek> gn8
[02:34] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE4MigrationDistroCollab
[02:34] <nixternal> ^^ that is what I have thus far for distro connections
[02:35] <nixternal> still need to add some more... now we need to create exactly what we want to communicate to the distros as far as what we are seeking and attempting to do
[02:36] <nixternal> thus far, openSUSE, Debian, and Fedora are the most transparent with Gentoo right behind
[02:36] <nixternal> Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and Mepis are either a) non-existant, or b) not transparent at all
[02:37] <ryanakca> heh
[02:37]  * ryanakca wonders if anybody still uses slackware and where it would place on that list
[02:42] <Hobbsee> how was the meeting?
[02:44] <nixternal> pretty good I must say
[02:46]  * nixternal eats
[02:46] <jjesse> no food for you
[02:47] <cheguevara> heh
[02:48]  * Hobbsee frowns at ardichoille
[03:05] <ScottK2> nixternal: What did we decide?
[03:31] <cheguevara> off to sleep
[03:31] <cheguevara> good night
[03:35] <yuriy> nixternal: fedora's plan doesn't sound "similar to ours" at all
[03:37] <ScottK2> What's Fedora's plan?
[03:37] <hads> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE4MigrationDistroCollab
[03:37] <yuriy> ScottK2: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4
[03:40] <ScottK2> Agreed.  Not like ours at all.
[03:40] <ScottK2> Of course being a beta distro for RHEL, they can do stuff like that.
[03:42] <yuriy> ooh this is interesting though: http://trolltech.com/products/qt/lifecyclestatement
[03:42] <yuriy> mentioned in the fedora plan, qt3 is no longer supported
[03:42] <yuriy> i'm surprised that was never brought up in the LTS discussion
[03:43] <ScottK2> We don't reallyl get qt from Trolltech though.  We get it from KDE (I think).
[03:45] <yuriy> hmm really? you mean like their qt-copy?
[03:46] <yuriy> regardless, it's a valid point for canonical to not want to support kde3
[03:46] <ScottK2> I mean as long as KDE is supporting KDE3, they'll have to pay attention to qt.
[03:47] <ScottK2> yuriy: I don't really care about their reasons.  KDE4 is not something I'm really caring about right now, so this shift in plans basically makes Kubuntu Hardy irrelevant to me.
[04:14] <nixternal> "Their plan is similar to ours and that is to utilize the ~/.kde directory for KDE 4"
[04:14] <nixternal> so it is in fact similar to our in that aspect
[04:15] <nixternal> they are going to migrate as well, and haven't figured out just yet how to go about doing it
[04:21] <ScottK2> I think name the KDE4 packages KDE and let a few KDE3 packages live is a different plan.
[04:21] <ScottK2> So we're going to put KDE4 in .kde now?
[04:22] <nixternal> not right now we aren't
[04:22] <nixternal> something for hardy+1
[04:22] <ScottK2> Ah.
[04:22] <ScottK2> OK.  I feel better
[04:22] <nixternal> but creating a migration tool will take some time, so it is better to start researching and collaborating now
[04:30] <jjesse> how will upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 work?  will people automatically get kde4 a a default?
[04:39] <ScottK2> jjesse: I really hope not.  That would be a bit suprising.
[04:39] <jjesse> what is the correct wya to reference dolphin in kde4?  dolphin or dolph!n
[04:39] <jjesse> or something else
[04:40] <ScottK> Good night all
[04:40] <jjesse> night ScottK
[04:43] <nixternal> if you have kde3, you will keep kde3
[04:43] <nixternal> g'nite ScottK2
[04:43] <jjesse> hrm ok, so on my gutsy install i have kde3 and kde4 running so when i upgrade to hardy what will be my default?
[04:44] <nixternal> neither
[04:44] <jjesse> ?
[04:44] <nixternal> a dist-upgrade is going to upgrade what you have and install only new things that need to be installed
[04:44] <nixternal> kde4 wont' replace kde3 and kde3 won't replace kde4, they will continue working side-by-side with Hardy
[04:44] <jjesse> gargh ok that's not how i understood it
[04:44] <nixternal> it won't be until hardy+1 that there could be a full replacement of kde3 by kde4
[04:45] <nixternal> we are planning on a KDE 3.5.9 in the next month or so, so we aren't going to be getting rid of it
[04:46] <jjesse> hrmmm
[04:48] <nixternal> if you don't have kde4 when hardy is release, then only kde3 will get updated...kde4 will only update if you have kde4 packages installed and they will continue to run the same way
[04:48] <nixternal> hope that clarifies a little better
[04:48] <jjesse> makes things way more complicated
[04:48] <nixternal> why is that?
[04:48] <jjesse> thinking purely from documentation standpoint both official ubunt ubook and also the help
[04:48] <nixternal> ahh, hehe, tell me about it
[04:49] <nixternal> well not more complicated, just a hell of a lot more work :)
[04:49] <jjesse> how do i write a chapter that focus on both kde 3.5.X plus 4.X when the user might one or the other
[04:49] <jjesse> very frustrating
[04:50] <nixternal> I would stick with KDE 3.5.x for the chapter with maybe a page or two on the availability of KDE 4.x and how it can run side-by-side so the reader can play with it if he/she wants to
[04:50] <nixternal> then again, having a little extra info on kde 4.x with some screenshots will make the Official Ubuntu book the first one with KDE 4.x info :)
[04:51] <nixternal> I am willing to give you a hand on that if you would like it
[04:52]  * jjesse is just frustrated
[04:52] <Jucato> jjesse: I suggest you take both his hands... heck his arms too!
[04:52]  * Jucato goes back to bed, trying to shake of the asthma...
[04:52] <nixternal> ouch, get better soon!
[04:52]  * jjesse wishes Jucato a better day
[04:53] <Jucato> this week I discovered another great asthma-inducer... stress and tension :/
[04:54] <nixternal> hehe
[04:57] <freeflying> anyone will attend http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Events/China?
[07:32] <Tonio_> fdoving: I just made kdesudo working without the use of a shell process....
[07:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: that has a lot of advantages, aka no jumping icon forever, no quoting on args etc.......
[07:33] <Tonio_> fdoving: also that fixes the issue with apps detaching themselves, like k3b and amarok
[07:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: I plan to release tomorrow, as at the moment I'm doing code cleanup
[07:36] <Tm_T> Tonio_: throw me with sources when ready :))
[07:37] <Tonio_> Tm_T: sure ;)
[07:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: at the moment I'm doikng code cleaning
[07:46] <Tonio_> Tm_T: main.cpp has way too much code in it
[08:20]  * apache|mobile starts crying
[08:21]  * Nightrose cuddles apache|mobile
[08:21] <Nightrose> morning honey
[08:21] <Nightrose> wasup?
[08:21] <apache|mobile> Riddell: apparently krunner/kickoff search doesn't respect the notshowin stuff
[08:21] <apache|mobile> which makes me wonder why they don't use ksycoca at all
[08:21] <apache|mobile> Nightrose: hey, honey, already up :P
[08:22] <Nightrose> hehe jep
[08:22] <apache|mobile> only 9:30... almost night
[08:22] <Nightrose> *g* right
[10:00] <Riddell> doods
[10:00] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.01-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[10:00] <Riddell> who's got a printer??
[10:01] <davmor2> Riddell: I do :)
[10:01] <Riddell> davmor2: fancy testing this new applet?
[10:02] <davmor2> can it be run from livecd
[10:02] <Riddell> don't see why not
[10:02] <davmor2> np
[10:02] <Riddell> install that package (it'll bring in a bunch of hal and gnome bits)
[10:02] <Riddell> plug in printer
[10:02] <Riddell> watch as it magically configures itself
[10:02] <davmor2> be about 5 mins
[10:03] <davmor2> oh like it does in gnome ;)
[10:06] <Riddell> davmor2: pretty well identical, it's a port of the gtk version
[10:07] <aantipop> have there been any changes related to bluetooth recently ?
[10:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: ooh ooooooh!
[10:08] <Tm_T> Riddell: I'll put my sister try that too
[10:08] <Tm_T> (when I'll be able to)
[10:09] <Riddell> Tm_T: did you give me updated text for suomi on support.php?
[10:09] <Tm_T> Riddell: I think I did, hold a second
[10:10] <aantipop> im suddenly not able to establish a connection from my desktop to the mobile and vice versa, but bluetooth service is running and i dont see the reason why it does not work
[10:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/kubuntu-support.txt
[10:10] <Tm_T> Riddell: that is utf-8
[10:10] <Tm_T> or, should be atleast
[10:11] <davmor2> Riddell: do you want net work printers testing too?
[10:12] <Riddell> Tm_T: updated, thanks
[10:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: thank to you :)
[10:13] <Riddell> davmor2: that's up to cups to make work
[10:15] <Riddell> this applet should show them if cups picks them up
[10:17] <aantipop> oh with a different usb slot it works, sorry
[10:18] <davmor2> Riddell: beings as I've finished my course now I have updated my main machine to hardy.  So I'm going to reinstall Kubuntu on my test machine and then try so about 15mins if that's okay
[10:18] <Riddell> davmor2: groovy
[10:19] <davmor2> I can afford to leave Kub on my test machine then :) once the test are out of the way.  That way if you need anything testing just let me know ;)
[10:34] <Riddell> seele: when you get a moment you may want to check that applet for any obvious usability issues, it's not the full config tool we discussed yet but it should be one day
[10:34] <davmor2> Riddell: network no issues
[10:34] <Riddell> davmor2: network printers show up?
[10:35] <davmor2> yes
[10:35] <Riddell> davmor2: excellent excellent
[10:36] <davmor2> just trying usb need to reboot first though (bloody updates ;))
[10:37] <mhb> does the app configure network printers, too?
[10:37] <hunger> mhb: Do those need configuration? All the CUPS printers I use seem to work out of the box.
[10:38] <davmor2> mhb: No cups just sees it
[10:38] <davmor2> Riddell: right plugging in now fingers crossed
[10:38] <mhb> meaning "without any sort of detection"? I doubt it :o)
[10:40] <Riddell> ipp network printers should be magically picked up through zeroconf
[10:40] <davmor2> Riddell: nothing :(  shouldn't a notify window of popped up?
[10:40] <Riddell> if it's not on zeroconf or ipp you need to configure it manually which can be done in the old kde printer setup kcontrol or wait until I write the full config frontend for this
[10:42] <davmor2> Riddell:  I'm going to install all the updates and try again hang on
[10:42] <Riddell> davmor2: it should popup a bubble in the systray
[10:42] <Riddell> it won't if the printer is already configured though
[10:42] <davmor2> no it didn't :(
[10:42] <Riddell> humbug
[10:43] <davmor2> give me a minute though I'll run the update remove all printers and try again for you
[10:44] <Riddell> you may need to restart hal and cups after removing all printers
[10:45] <davmor2> np
[10:45] <davmor2> there were like 212 updates it maybe relying on one :)
[10:50] <iRon> Riddell: hi! where should i put modified failsafe* scripts? they are now located in /etc/gdm/.. may be put them in /etc/X11/failsafe/ or /etc/X11/bulletproofx ?
[10:50] <iRon> Riddell: this scripts installed with x11-common package.. so there is no need to touch gdm package at all
[10:53] <Riddell> iRon: /etc/X11/.. seems sensible
[10:54] <iRon> Riddell: there are 4 files -- failsafeBlacklist failsafeXinit failsafeXServer failsafeDexconf
[10:55] <iRon> Riddell: so put all of them to /etc/X11 ?
[10:55] <iRon> Riddell: or in some subdir ?
[10:57] <Riddell> iRon: /etc/X11 seems fine to me
[10:57] <iRon> ok
[11:04] <davmor2> Riddell: like the new backdrop  right trying again
[11:05] <davmor2> Riddell: Not a thing
[11:05] <Riddell> humbug
[11:07] <davmor2> Riddell: just done dmesg | tail and the printer is recognised but no auto setup sorry afk for about half an hour now
[11:08] <Riddell> davmor2: applet is running?  you restarted hal?
[11:11] <davmor2> Riddell: I restarted the machine completely
[11:11] <davmor2> then plugged the printer back in got to go brb
[11:12] <Riddell> ok, thanks
[11:41] <davmor2> back
[11:42] <davmor2> Riddell: is there anything else I can tell you that might help?
[11:45] <Riddell> davmor2: not really, I just need to find a printer I can plug in and test
[11:45] <Riddell> davmor2: you could remove the printer and run system-config-printer-applet (the gnome one) and see what happens
[11:45] <davmor2> can you get to wolves I got a spare :)
[11:46] <Riddell> I'm in London
[11:46] <davmor2> no then
[11:46] <Riddell> well, I'm above London really
[11:47] <davmor2> wow that transendental meditation really works ;)
[12:12] <Riddell> who wants to talk about Kubuntu at Developer Week?
[12:12] <\sh> Developer Week?
[12:12]  * Hobbsee can't talk
[12:13] <Tm_T> Riddell: I like to talk, though, am I qualified?
[12:13] <Riddell> Tm_T: should think so, just introduce what we do and how people can help then answer questions
[12:14] <Riddell> \sh: a holbachism
[12:14] <Tm_T> Riddell: hmm, anything I can read about what it's about this week?
[12:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll release the new kdesudo toonight
[12:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's new in it?
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: uses kprocess instead of kshellprocess
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: therefore supports for applications that detach themselves, like amarok and k3b
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: also better code with very little main.cpp file
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also support for super stupid commands like ./kdesudo/kdesudo "konqueror http://www.planetemu.net" "file1.html file2.html"
[12:21] <Tonio_> management of quoted args is now fully compatible with gksu
[12:22] <Tonio_> the only thing is that usetarminal kdesu option....
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea what it does ?
[12:22] <Tonio_> useterminal
[12:22] <Tonio_> the original kdesu -t in fact
[12:22] <Riddell> I'd have thought it would start the command in a console
[12:22] <Tm_T> bash commandfoofoo perhaps?
[12:23] <Tm_T> something like forces the process to have own terminal session (bash/sh)
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: yep but it doesn't.....
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: playing with kdesu I can't see what this option does....
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'd like to implement it correctly, but I think I have to check kdesu code to guess what it does exactly
[12:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: if it was using the useShell kprocess option, then detaching apps wouldn't work with it, as this would cause a process end....
[12:28] <Tonio_> Tm_T: still lost on that point ;)
[12:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: if it doesn't work in kdesu I don't support it's very important
[12:38] <Tonio_> yep
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: well at the moment I just make -t react like -s aka no passwd saving
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: kdesu -t is supposed to not save the passwd
[12:39] <Riddell> oh, -t enables terminal output
[12:39] <Riddell> kdesu hides stdout by default, I've no idea why and infact I patched it not to
[12:40] <Riddell> so just ignore -t
[12:45] <Tonio_> ahhhhhhhhh that's it
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also changed kdesudo to display stdout
[12:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's better for problems like yesterday to figure out what happens
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: well as kdesudo is supposed to be perfectly compatible with kdesu, I would suggest upstream release respects the real -t thing and that we patch it
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree on that approach ?
[12:46] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't follow
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: you mean ?
[12:46] <Riddell> I don't understand you
[12:46] <Tonio_> well people might want to use kdesudo on opensuse for example
[12:46] <Riddell> hiding stdout is silly
[12:46] <Tonio_> so maybe respect the original kdesu way to work...
[12:47] <Tonio_> on the other hand, that's true ;)
[12:47] <Riddell> I've no idea why it would do it and it's just confusing for users
[12:47] <Riddell> I don't think either programme should do it
[12:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: with -t, is the password asked graphically or command line ?
[12:47] <Riddell> Tonio_: graphically
[12:47] <Tonio_> k
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we reupload kdeutils ?
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: ark is broken still latest libqt3-mt
[12:57] <Tonio_> Tm_T: interested in testing ?
[12:57] <Tonio_> Tm_T: kdesudo I mean ;)
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: go ahead
[12:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: there were a bunch listed in that bug
[12:58] <Riddell> Tonio_: see comment 11 https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt-x11-free/+bug/185004
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185004 in qt-x11-free "KMail/Konqueror symbol lookup error after recent qt3 update" [Critical,Confirmed]
[13:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: agree for kmail but I can't see any difference with konqueror
[13:00] <Tonio_> will test ark locally before upload
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanna test quickly kdesudo of can I upload ?
[13:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: I did a bunch of tests and everything seems okay for me
[13:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: just upload, we'll get complains soon enough if it doesn't work :)
[13:01] <Tonio_> hehe, true :)
[13:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: we really should make a backport to gutsy too..... the gutsy version of kdesudo has a lot of bugs, like breaking in systemsettings....
[13:02] <mhb> hi Tonio_
[13:03] <Tonio_> hey mhb :)
[13:03] <mhb> Tonio_: have you read the meeting logs from yesterday? Especially the part about kdesudo?
[13:04] <Tonio_> mhb: nope
[13:04] <Tonio_> mhb: the meeting was too late for me, I had to wake early to go to work :)
[13:04] <Tonio_> mhb: url please ?
[13:05] <mhb> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/01/23/%23ubuntu-meeting.html
[13:05] <mhb> search for "kdesudo"
[13:10] <Tonio_> mhb: oki
[13:10] <Tonio_> mhb: basically porting kdesudo to kde4 is planned
[13:10] <Tonio_> mhb: make kdesu to support correctly sudo is pretty hard as it's codebase is completly different
[13:10] <Tonio_> mhb: also is the sudo config file
[13:11] <Tonio_> mhb: it is way easier maintaining an external aplication (not kubuntu dedicated btw, kdesudo can work on any distribution) than make kdesu to work correctly with sudo
[13:11] <Tonio_> mhb: simple example : I can do kdesudo myself
[13:11] <mhb> I'm pretty sure it is.
[13:11] <Tonio_> mhb: Riddell, which is a million times better coder than me, couldn't get kdesu to support sudo correctly
[13:11] <Tonio_> mhb: I didn't say impossible, but way harder
[13:12] <mhb> yeah.
[13:12] <mhb> I guess I need to revisit the kdesu code again.
[13:12] <Tonio_> mhb: or that would mean kdesu uses sudo like a wrapper
[13:12] <Tonio_> mhb: means a big if sudo, else if su
[13:12] <Tonio_> I don't see the point in doing this.....;
[13:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion on that point ?
[13:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: external application is better ihmo
[13:13] <Tonio_> mhb: especially since the way they use the same parameters is completly different
[13:13] <Tonio_> mhb: or example, with -p (priority) and sudo you have to use "nice" etc.....
[13:14] <Tonio_> that would mean doubling everything in the code, and would result a pretty ugly thing
[13:14] <Tonio_> mhb: as I said, not impossible, but probably way more complicated for the same result
[13:15] <mhb> I guess so. Thanks for the reply.
[13:16] <mhb> Tonio_: is the code in LP trunk branch up to date?
[13:17] <Tonio_> mhb: not at all
[13:17] <Tonio_> mhb: I rewrote about everything yesterday :)
[13:17] <Tonio_> mhb: new codebase online in a few minutes
[13:17] <mhb> okay.
[13:32] <Tonio_> rivo: ping ?
[13:33] <rivo> Tonio_: pong
[13:33] <Tonio_> rivo: I have kdesudo 2.1 for you
[13:33] <rivo> awesome :-)
[13:33] <Tonio_> rivo: should hopefully fix your issue
[13:33] <Tonio_> rivo: do you know how to build a package from source ?
[13:33] <rivo> yep
[13:33] <Tonio_> rivo: wait I'll build a gutsy package for you :)
[13:34] <rivo> Tonio_: ok, as you wish :-)
[13:42] <Tonio_> rivo: http://www.toniox.org/temp
[13:43] <rivo> Tonio_: thanks, will test
[13:43] <jpatrick> Riddell: ping
[13:43] <Tonio_> rivo: fell free to close the bug if it works, I'll take a few minutes to propose the backport....
[13:45] <Tonio_> rivo: I hope it'll work this time........
[13:45] <Tonio_> rivo: I changed lots of things in the way the process is executed, and according to my tests, it works much better this time
[13:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the jumping icon is fixed :)
[13:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so don't waste your time on this
[13:48] <jpatrick> Riddell: yet another little change: http://people.ubuntuwire.com/~jpatrick/patches/kubuntu-www-2.diff
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: next kdesudo will probably be the kde4 port
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: but first I have some packaging stuff to do, as well as finishing the kio-apt
[13:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: would you like kdesudo-kde4 bafore hardy is released ?
[13:49] <jpatrick> Tonio_: to make stuff like Adept work, yes please! :)
[13:50] <seele> Riddell: printing applet?  how do i get it?
[13:51] <jpatrick> seele: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port I think
[13:53] <Tonio_> jpatrick: don't forget not everyone is using kde4 atm :)
[13:54] <Tonio_> jpatrick: I prefer to focus on kde3 except if Riddell asks me to do so :)
[13:54] <Tonio_> kde4 on hardy isn't that important for me....
[13:55]  * ScottK2 walks over and stands next to Tonio_
[13:55] <Tonio_> it is just there to prepare hardy+1, that's all ;)
[13:56] <seele> jpatrick: is there a howto on bzr.. i dont know how to use these thing
[13:57] <Tonio_> ScottK2: what do you mean ?
[13:57] <iRon> seele: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.01-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[13:57] <ScottK2> seele: Are you familiar with svn?
[13:57] <ScottK2> Tonio_: Not being concerned with KDE4 on Hardy.
[13:57]  * ScottK2 too
[13:57] <seele> iRon: thanks
[13:57] <Jucato> Tonio_: he means you two are of the same mind
[13:57] <Tonio_> ScottK2: ho atalking about kde4 :)
[13:57] <Jucato> :D
[13:58] <Tonio_> bah, I'm concernined by kde4, but everyone forget's about kde3
[13:58] <Tonio_> there are LOTS of kde3 bugs to fix before the release
[13:58] <Tonio_> if the plan is to forget about kde3, let's forget about hardy and go for a 12 month cycle release with hardy +1 directly...
[13:59] <Tonio_> that's my concern
[13:59] <ScottK2> Tonio_: Maybe it's just you and me merging in 3.5.9 when it comes out.
[13:59] <Tonio_> sure I'd like to port kdesudo, package all kde-apps I can find for kde4 etc.... but I have other things to do on kde3 that are prior to kde4 imho
[14:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks for the info on the icon
[14:00] <Tonio_> ScottK2: no, Riddell didn't forget about kde3 :) he is paid for this haha !
[14:03] <mornfall> ...
[14:03] <rivo> Tonio_: sorry to disappoint you but it's still not working :-(
[14:03] <rivo> Tonio_: I'm still getting the same errors as in the bug report
[14:03] <mornfall> Tonio_: What's the problem with kdesudo for kde4?
[14:03] <Tonio_> rivo: hu ??????
[14:04] <mornfall> Tonio_: Is it a lot of work?
[14:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: no time to look at that :)
[14:04] <Tonio_> mornfall: at least not a priority those days....
[14:04] <mornfall> Hmm.
[14:04] <Tonio_> rivo: can you remind me of the bug id please ?
[14:04] <rivo> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/182403
[14:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 182403 in kdesudo "kdesudo --nonewdcop option breaks the system" [Undecided,New]
[14:05] <mornfall> Riddell says kdesu in 4 is still broken with sudo...
[14:05] <Tonio_> mornfall: hum, well I can see for a port next week end eventually
[14:06] <mornfall> : - )
[14:06] <mornfall> That sounds good. (And adds to the motivation to get adept 3 workable.)
[14:08] <Tonio_> rivo: http://paste.toniox.org/2776
[14:09] <Tonio_> rivo: I removed /root/.kde /root/.Iceauthority /tmp/*
[14:09] <Tonio_> rivo: kbuildsyscoca is ran and I it works
[14:09] <Tonio_> rivo: do you get an output this time ?
[14:09] <Tonio_> rivo: output might help :)
[14:09] <Tonio_> mornfall: making adept to work is important for me :)
[14:09] <rivo> Tonio_: what if you also rm /var/tmp/kde*
[14:10] <rivo> Tonio_: and maybe /root/.DCOP*
[14:10] <Tonio_> rivo: lemme test
[14:10] <rivo> Tonio_: yeah I have output now but it's the same as in bug report
[14:10] <Tonio_> I have no .DCOP in root
[14:10] <Tonio_> rivo: and /var/temp is empty
[14:10] <Tonio_> rivo: can you paste me the output on my pastebin please ?
[14:12] <rivo> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/870876 is the script I used to wipe out stuff before testing
[14:12] <Tonio_> rivo: hard to fix if I can't reproduce the problem
[14:13] <Tonio_> lemme test again
[14:14] <rivo> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/870880 is the output I get when running systemsettings, clicking on date&time and then on admin mode button
[14:18] <Tonio_> rivo: it can't work with your script since you remove your .ICEAuthority file
[14:18] <Tonio_> rivo: this one is used to have access to the X session, whatever the user is
[14:18] <Tonio_> rivo: it is passed to sudo to make the -u option to work
[14:18] <rivo> Tonio_: I run the script, then kill x server and then log in again
[14:18] <Tonio_> okay I've just done it ;)
[14:18] <Tonio_> here we go :
[14:19] <rivo> Tonio_: and yep, there's a new .ICEauthority file then
[14:19] <Tonio_> rivo: works like a charm....
[14:19] <Tonio_> rivo: can you paste me the command output ?
[14:19] <rivo> hrmh, really weird
[14:19] <Tonio_> kdesudo --nonewdcop kcmshell clock
[14:19] <Tonio_> I just loggued in, and this works like a charm
[14:20] <rivo> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/870891
[14:23] <Tonio_> rivo: ps faux | grep -i dcop
[14:23] <Tonio_> rivo: can you paste that to me please ?
[14:23] <Tonio_> rivo: The strange thing is that you already have a dcop server running as root
[14:24] <Tonio_> rivo: which doesn't make sense.....
[14:24] <Tonio_> rivo: also you are the only one reporting the bug at the moment, so I suspect something going scary between that dcop server and kprocess
[14:24] <Tonio_> rivo: gksu is different, as it doesn't use kprocess to start the command, btw
[14:24] <Tonio_> that would explain what happens
[14:24] <rivo> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/870894
[14:25] <rivo> Tonio_: dcop seems to be started after running kdesudo for the first time since I get the error about dcopserver already been running only after I have already tried with kdesudo once
[14:25] <rivo> Tonio_: e.g. starting from second time I use kdesudo
[14:26] <Tonio_> rivo: so what if you kill the 2 root running dcopservers ?
[14:26] <Tonio_> and then start the command again, and plaste me the output please
[14:26]  * Tonio_ is going crazy with that bug.....
[14:27] <rivo> Tonio_: kill: then I get the same errors again and a new root's dcopserver is started
[14:28] <Tonio_> rivo: I did all the steps..... killed the .ICEauthority file, did everything as you said, no way I can reproduce....
[14:28] <rivo> Tonio_: can't you try installing a new system from gutsy livecd?
[14:28] <Tonio_> rivo: it would be interesting to let other people to test to confirm that's a kdesudo bug, cause it looks to me like either a kde issue, or a system issue somehow
[14:29] <Tonio_> rivo: my system is a kubuntu by default, I tried on several machines ar work, some gutsy and even feisty based, no way to reproduce....
[14:29] <rivo> Tonio_: kde issue: maybe indeed
[14:29] <Tonio_> rivo: at home I only have one computer and that's a mac, livecd not workin on it
[14:29] <rivo> Tonio_: is there anything else I could test?
[14:29] <Tonio_> rivo: hard to say, we tested everything I guess....
[14:30] <rivo> ok... would it help if I tried with hardy livecd? or with gutsy alternate cd?
[14:30] <rivo> Tonio_: because you mentioned something about it possibly being livecd bug...
[14:32] <Tonio_> rivo: lemme test something...... I have an idea
[14:32] <Tonio_> rivo: I'll give you a patched kdesudo please test with that one
[14:33] <rivo> Tonio_: ok
[14:40] <Tonio_> rivo: 3 minutes for the package
[14:40] <Tonio_> rivo: I added a few debug infos in the code
[14:58] <iRon> Tonio_: rivo: may there is an issue with .kde user settings? may be rivo should create new user and then try kdesudo ?
[14:58] <Tonio_> iRon: I think he already tested that
[14:58] <rivo> yup, I'm already wiping out my .kde directory
[15:00] <iRon> i remember this bug was in first hardy alpha's.. or it was gutsy..
[15:00] <iRon> in current hardy everything is fine
[15:02] <iRon> Tonio_: i have gutsy livecd.. so could try to reproduce on gutsy
[15:02] <Riddell> jpatrick: applied, thanks
[15:04] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: desktop-effects-kde is on launchpad https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[15:05] <Tonio_> iRon: I think you have to install from the livecd to eventually reproduce.... but if you can, please do ;)
[15:05] <Tonio_> iRon: if you can't, don't mind, and thanks you for proposing ;)
[15:05] <Tonio_> rivo: http://www.toniox.org/temp
[15:05] <Tonio_> rivo: please test with that one
[15:06] <Tonio_> and paste me the result including the debug output
[15:06] <rivo> Tonio_: sure
[15:06] <iRon> Tonio_: could install under vmware
[15:06] <Tonio_> iRon: good idea :)
[15:07] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: blamo!
[15:08] <Tonio_> rivo: http://paste.toniox.org/2777
[15:08] <Tonio_> you should have something like this
[15:08] <Tonio_> rivo: I bet one o the infos is empty
[15:08] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: mhb says it works for him, but I think it might have problems with a kde4 only system, since it stores its config file in .kde. I'm going to fix that though
[15:09] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it comes in two versions?
[15:10] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: no, I think only the qt4 works
[15:10] <Riddell> that's the more important one
[15:10] <Riddell> kde-window-decorator seems broken on my computer
[15:11] <iRon> nosrednaekim, Riddell: i remember mhb has tested it yesterday
[15:11] <iRon> Riddell: failed with xcb xlib lock error?
[15:11] <rivo> Tonio_: http://pastebin.ca/870937
[15:12] <Riddell> "KCrash: Application 'kde-window-decorator' crashing..."
[15:13] <Tonio_> rivo: I can't help you there.....
[15:13] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: can I blog this?
[15:13] <Tonio_> rivo: the nonewdcop code was written by Riddell, maybe he can help you....
[15:13] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: feel free, do you want a decent kde4 themed screenshot?
[15:13] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: sure
[15:13] <Tonio_> rivo: I can't reproduce, whatever I do it works, so....;
[15:13] <Tonio_> rivo: have you reproduced on another machine ?
[15:14] <Tonio_> what about your other installation ?
[15:14] <iRon> Riddell: it works fine in kde3 for mhb
[15:14] <iRon> mhb: ping
[15:14] <rivo> Tonio_: not personally but I know people who have had problems with it on multiple machines
[15:15] <Tonio_> rivo: yeah, but most problems reported are due to kdesudo 1.5, with buggy args parsing
[15:15] <Tonio_> rivo: this one is very specific, rivo is the only person I know having that issue
[15:16] <rivo> Tonio_: ok, I'll tell someone to test with your latest package
[15:16] <Tonio_> s/rivo/you ;)
[15:16] <Tonio_> rivo: sure
[15:16] <Tonio_> rivo: well as long as they use gutsy, bugs are possible, since the args parsins is broken
[15:16] <Tonio_> what I don't understand is your problem
[15:16] <Tonio_> everything is set to work
[15:16] <Tonio_> you have no dcop server running in the first place
[15:16] <Tonio_> and klauncher complains there is a running dcop server
[15:17] <Tonio_> that's a non sense.....
[15:17] <Tonio_> especially since I can't reproduce.... I have to give up :/
[15:17] <Tm_T> Tonio_: yes, unfortunately I'm not at home atm :( (about testing)
[15:17] <Tonio_> rivo: what would be super is to try to confirm the bug on other machines
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... erase the .DCOP* in your home DIR
[15:17] <Tonio_> Tm_T: please ping me when you can, I'd be interested in trying to reproduce this one
[15:17] <nosrednaekim> which will make everyting work again
[15:17] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: already done
[15:18] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: he and I have deleted EXACTLY the same thing, with the same version of kdesudo
[15:18] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: he has the problem, not me...
[15:19] <nosrednaekim> whats the problem exactly? I think I might have the same thing happening
[15:20] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: on gutsy, remove everything related to dcop or kde in /root
[15:20] <Tonio_> then take kdesudo 2.0 and install it
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: DCC or email?
[15:20] <Tonio_> remove your .ICEAtuthority
[15:20] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: where do I get that?
[15:20] <Tonio_> kill x and log in
[15:21] <Tonio_> then try : kdesudo --nonewdcop kcmshell clock
[15:21] <Tonio_> should fail
[15:21] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: want the gutsy package ?
[15:21] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: http://toniox.org/temp
[15:21] <Tonio_> install that deb
[15:21] <nosrednaekim> ok
[15:22] <nosrednaekim> x86_64.. I hope the source deb works...
[15:22] <Tonio_> it won't ;)
[15:22] <Tonio_> have to rebuild
[15:22] <Tonio_> the source, yes, should work
[15:22] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: e-mail (well, http preferred)
[15:23] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: then : sudo rm -rf /root/.kde /root/.DCOP* /root/.ICEauthority ~/.ICEauthority ~/.Xauthority
[15:23] <Tonio_> then kill X and login, and type that command in a shell :
[15:23] <Tonio_> kdesudo --nonewdcop kcmshell clock
[15:24] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: rivo gets an error when doing this, I don't...
[15:30] <nosrednaekim> erm, sorry to be a pain, but what is the option to compile a source deb?
[15:30] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: debuild -S
[15:30] <Riddell> well, debuild to compile it
[15:31] <nosrednaekim> then dpkg -i to install, ok
[15:32] <Riddell> yes
[15:33] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: did you send that screenshot?
[15:33] <nosrednaekim> just did
[15:40] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: that's a screenshot of power manager
[15:42] <nosrednaekim> ooops.... sorry
[15:45] <nosrednaekim> resent
[15:49] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: thanks, blogged!
[15:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: little question concerning hardware
[15:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: my laptop has 2 battery but guidance reports 2 batteries are present
[15:50] <Tonio_> the second one is emptying half as fast as the first..... weird as hell !
[15:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: is hal the place to look at ?
[15:51] <Riddell> my laptop has 1 battery and guidance reports 2, I'd be more worried at that
[15:51] <Riddell> plasma does the same, so probably a hal issue
[15:56] <nosrednaekim> isn't KDEHOME set anymore?
[16:05] <Riddell> no
[16:06] <Riddell> you can use kde-config --localprefix or kde4-config --localprefix
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: debian/cdbs/kde.mk:4: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or                                                                                                                           directory
[16:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ?
[16:21] <Tonio_> my package depends on cdbs so the file should be in there I guess
[16:21] <Tonio_> oups !!!!!!
[16:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: got quilt installed?
[16:21] <Tonio_> wasn't simple-patchsys
[16:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no, stupid of me...
[16:22] <Tonio_> will we use quilt by default for kde4 packages ?
[16:22] <Riddell> we already do, following debian-qt-kde
[16:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: :'(
[16:23] <Riddell> I don't entirely understand it though
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I HATE quilt
[16:23] <Riddell> feel free to change to simple-patchsys if you get confused
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: 6 commands just to write a 2 lines patches
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure I'll do :)
[16:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: quilt is kinda supa-geek tool
[16:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't understand why debian decided to use it....
[16:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: not to say it is really badly documented
[16:30] <mhb> Tonio_: have you uploaded your changes to kdesudo to the bzr branch yet?
[16:32] <mhb> Tonio_: I'd like to do something awesome, and I need your sources for it.
[16:34] <mhb> could I have a stupid question? why are some libraries named "libnm-glib0" ?
[16:35] <mhb> I mean the zero at the end - it makes remembering the name quite hard.
[16:35] <ScottK2> mhb: Library soname.
[16:36] <mhb> ScottK2: err, s/libraries/packages
[16:36] <mhb> I understand the lib name, but why the heck is the package named like that, too?
[16:38]  * ScottK2 hands mhb https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/LibraryPackaging
[16:40] <mhb> man, how I hate rtfms :o)
[16:40] <mhb> but thanks
[18:16] <Riddell> " * Delete PPA packages in the web UI: no more sysadmin
[18:16] <Riddell>    requests to delete a package from your PPA."
[18:16] <Riddell> yay
[18:29] <nixternal_> ya, I just seen Hobbsee's blog post about deleting from the PPAs, yeeeehaw!
[18:38] <davmor2> Riddell: Nice video ;)
[18:52] <cheguevara> evening
[18:53] <jpatrick> evening
[18:56] <cheguevara> hows it going
[18:56] <tlayton> good afternoon!  does anybody have a link to nosrednaekim's source for easy compiz setup mentioned in jriddell's blog?
[18:57] <jpatrick> tlayton: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-users/guidance/desktop-effects-kde
[18:59] <tlayton> jpatrick: thanx a bunch
[19:00] <jpatrick> you're welcome :)
[19:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey, we need to set the text color on the kdm login screen to black as well
[19:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its not really clear using the current colors (greyish.)
[19:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: was that icon fix as oneliner ? :)
[19:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: a/as
[19:05] <tlayton> jpatrick: just run 'desktop-effects-kde', no parms?  i'm getting an IndexError: list index out of range
[19:06] <jpatrick> tlayton: best talk to nosrednaekim as he works on it :)
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> uhhh oh.. problems with my thing?
[19:06] <tlayton> jpatrick: np, thx
[19:06] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: AFAIK...only desktop-effects-kde4 works
[19:07] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: and in addition, place that "25check-compiz" file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[19:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: switching from setUseShell from true to false fixed the issue
[19:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but required that  a lot of code change :)
[19:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ok
[19:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: great it was fixed
[19:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw I'm porting to kde4 :/
[19:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hard job for me
[19:09] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: ok, i'm in kde 3 right now.  when does the compizasWM file get created?
[19:09] <mhb> Tonio_: it could be easier if you actually did the work transparently online in a branch :o)
[19:09] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: when you hit apply after selecting an option other than "no effects"
[19:09] <mhb> Tonio_: actually, I wanted to check out your code to find out how hard the porting would be, but you haven't commited it yet, or have you?
[19:10] <Tonio_> mhb: shhhhhhhhh, that's to force myself to learn :)
[19:10] <Tonio_> mhb: nope I haven't
[19:10] <Tonio_> mhb: lemme do it
[19:10] <mhb> nosrednaekim: by the way, I hate to be pedantic, but you haven't read the bzr quick start guide, have you?
[19:10] <Tonio_> mhb: just  second
[19:10] <mhb> Tonio_: sure
[19:10] <mhb> Tonio_: I have a lot of learning to do anyway
[19:11] <mhb> just do it soon, please :o)
[19:11] <nosrednaekim> mhb: uhhh why? did I mess something up... and yes, I did read something of the sort.
[19:11] <mhb> nosrednaekim: just a joke :o)
[19:12]  * nosrednaekim wipes his forehead...
[19:12] <Tonio_> mhb commited
[19:12] <mhb> nosrednaekim: http://doc.bazaar-vcs.org/bzr.dev/en/mini-tutorial/index.html
[19:12] <Tonio_> mhb: what is done atm : automake to cmake is finished
[19:13] <mhb> nosrednaekim: if you have read this, the first thing there is $ bzr whoami "John Doe <john.doe@gmail.com>"
[19:13] <Tonio_> mhb: main.cpp builds.... I am on the kdesdo class definition and inheritance with kpassworddialog
[19:13] <Tonio_> once that is done, it shouldn't be that long
[19:13] <mhb> it should take only a couple hours anyway
[19:13] <mhb> KDE4 is still KDE.
[19:15] <Tonio_> bah lots of things have changed especially on the kpassworddialog
[19:17] <Tonio_> mhb: looks like we cannot for example set the application icon....
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> mhb: yep, I read that... and by the time I was finished reading it, I forgot to go do that.
[19:17] <Tonio_> mhb: http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdeui/html/classKPasswordDialog.html
[19:17] <nosrednaekim> i'll go to it now :0)
[19:17] <Tonio_> mhb: nothing about the icon here
[19:18] <mhb> Tonio_: what does void KPasswordDialog::setPixmap  do?
[19:18]  * Tonio_ hides.......
[19:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: it's just a minor thing, but I noticed it in the commits...
[19:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: so I thought I'd tell you in a pedantic way ... just kidding :o)
[19:20] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: does it work?
[19:21] <Tonio_> mhb: porting isn't everything, we also have to make the options compatible with kdesu-kde4 ;)
[19:21] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: yes, in kde4. :) can i use the fusion-icon with it?
[19:22] <mhb> it does work in KDE4?
[19:22] <mhb> that's great news
[19:22] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: I don't know....I didn't test that.
[19:22] <nosrednaekim> mhb: thats what i've been doing all my testing on... i'm wondering if it works on kde3 :)
[19:22]  * mhb pats nosrednaekim on the back
[19:23] <mhb> it does.
[19:23] <mhb> that's where I did my testing.
[19:23] <nosrednaekim> great..
[19:24] <tlayton> mhb: your talking about desktop-effects-kde, right? what libs are required? i'm getting an IndexError
[19:24] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: does fusion-icon set the default WM?
[19:24] <mhb> tlayton: please post the error message somewhere
[19:24] <mhb> tlayton: almost no libs are required, just the obvious python-qt4
[19:26] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: to be clear, you are running "python desktop-effects-kde"?
[19:28] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: no, just 'desktop-effects-kde4' (in kde4). hold on for fusion-icon. it works a bit. i need to try again
[19:28] <tlayton> mhb: give me a few, i'll need to log back into kde3
[19:28] <mhb> tlayton: sure thing.
[19:28] <mhb> nosrednaekim: perhaps we could pimp the dialog up with icons, what do you think?
[19:29] <mhb> or does it use icons already?
[19:29] <mhb> perhaps they're just not used in KDE3.
[19:31] <nosrednaekim> I don't see any in kde4
[19:31] <mhb> hrm.
[19:39] <tlayton> mhb: where can i post the error msg?
[19:39] <nosrednaekim> !pastebin
[19:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[19:41] <jpatrick> when's the next meeting?
[19:41] <mhb> not sure.
[19:42] <mhb> apachelogger wanted to have it soon.
[19:42] <mhb> soon-er.
[19:42] <jpatrick> I saw that (meeting minutes almost done)
[19:43] <tlayton> mhb: ok, the error msgs are posted
[19:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: it looks like there are missing headers in kdelibs5-dev
[19:44] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: url?
[19:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: for exmaple kdesu/kcookie.h misses.....
[19:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: annoying to port kdesudo ;)
[19:44] <tlayton> oops, sorry.  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/53364/
[19:46] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: try running "desktop-effects-kde4"
[19:46] <mhb> even when on kde3
[19:46] <tlayton> works!
[19:47] <tlayton> only get the "apt API" warning
[19:47] <nosrednaekim> don't worry about that
[19:48] <tlayton> i like it. a lot smoother than simple-ccsm
[19:49] <mhb> Tonio_: confirmed, it's not there
[19:50] <Tonio_> mhb: what's annoying is in the .install file, it is correctly written (..../kdesu/*.h)
[19:51] <Tonio_> mhb: I suspect we have to fix the packaging
[19:51] <Tonio_> the build system sorry
[19:51] <nosrednaekim> mhb: are we going do kde3 and qt4?
[19:52] <mhb> nosrednaekim: nope
[19:52] <mhb> nosrednaekim: please remove the kde3 stubs
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> I'll get rid of the kde3 things then
[19:52] <nosrednaekim> to stop any more confusion.
[19:53] <mhb> we'll do a kcontrol stub that launches the qt4 one.
[19:56] <Tonio_> mhb: if I copy the file manually in /usr/lib/kde4/include/kdesu and build with debuild, it should find it right ?
[19:56] <Tonio_> mhb: invalid use of incomplete type «struct KCookie»
[19:56] <Tonio_> mhb: bah I'm lost........
[19:57] <Tonio_> mhb: that part of the port would require some more accurate with class and so on
[19:57] <Tonio_> mhb: should I create a kdesudo-kde4 branch so that you can work on it too ?
[19:57] <mhb> that'd be rad
[19:58] <Tonio_> rad ? wdtm ?
[19:58] <nosrednaekim> sweet, cool, awesome
[19:59] <Tonio_> k
[19:59] <Tonio_> ;)
[19:59] <jpatrick> radical
[20:04] <tlayton> nodrednaekim:  in kde3, i choose extra effects, compiz starts fine. then, when i start fusion-icon, it thinks i'm still using kwin, even though the compiz effects are still there
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: yeah.. they probably use different config files
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: I'll take a look at fusion-icon and see what I can do
[20:06] <hunger> Why is kmail from kde3 starting up konqueror from kde4?
[20:06] <nosrednaekim> what does fusion-icon exactly do? just start compiz automatically?
[20:07] <ScottK> hunger: Because that's the only kmail we have right now?
[20:07] <nosrednaekim> hunger: because konqueror-kde4 is closer in the path...
[20:08] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: cool. since compiz was already started, fusion-icon just started up. when i "change" to compiz, compiz is reloaded. when i chance back to kwin, i now have 16 desktops
[20:08] <nosrednaekim> yeah... thats the compiz->kwin problem.
[20:09] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: then switching back to compiz is fine
[20:09] <nosrednaekim> tlayton: yup...
[20:10] <Tonio_> bzr checkout sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk-kde4
[20:10] <Tonio_> mhb: you can get the code here
[20:11] <Tonio_> mhb: if you can help on the port that would be awesome !
[20:11] <Tonio_> mhb: my current problem is with the kcookie thing
[20:12] <Tonio_> mhb: the code will have to change a bit to push the icon that's why the inheritance might look a bit empty for you ;)
[20:12] <Tonio_> mhb: I just wanted it not to crash in fact
[20:12] <tlayton> nosrednaekim: the fusion-icon version i'm using is 0.0.0+git20071028-0ubuntu2 (hardy)
[20:12] <Tonio_> mhb: leaving the computer for a few minutes
[20:13] <jpatrick> oh fudge
[20:13]  * jpatrick just did a big whoops
[20:13] <mhb> Tonio_: what do you do so it finds kde4-config?
[20:15] <jpatrick> does anyone have a saved of the last last meeting minutes? :)
[20:16] <seele> can someone help me get ~kubuntu-members/system-config-printer/kde-port running?  i dont know what i'm doing
[20:16] <seele> i installed the deb someone linked me but system-config-printer-applet-kde doesnt do anything
[20:16] <seele> (except spit out errors)
[20:17] <jpatrick> seele: try "desktop-effects-kde4"
[20:17] <mhb> hmm, that won't help her, would it?
[20:18] <nosrednaekim> I think seele actually wants to do something useful besides look at bling ;)
[20:18] <mhb> seele: I guess a start would be to pastebin the error msgs
[20:20] <mhb> hey manchicken
[20:21] <seele> http://pastebin.com/d6974f6dd
[20:22] <ScottK> Tonio_: Mind if I do the python-qt4 merge?
[20:26] <mhb> seele: I get the same error.
[20:26] <hunger> The KDE4 apps have a higher priority than their KDE3 counterparts in KDE3. That sucks.
[20:27] <nosrednaekim> hunger: in general or with kubuntu specific apps?
[20:28] <jpatrick> hunger: discussed at last meeting (see kubuntu-(users|devel) mailing list for details)
[20:28] <hunger> nosrednaekim: So far I found KWrite-KDE4 and Konqueror-KDE4 at the top position for stuff.
[20:29] <mhb> seele: cd /usr/share/system-config-printer is a workaround for that error.
[20:31] <mhb> seele: the problem is, I get a deadlock when launching the applet there.
[20:32] <seele> mhb: yeah.. that just happened too
[20:33]  * mhb wonders when our irn bru drinking friend shows up
[20:33] <seele> uhm.. how do i kill it?  it doesnt show up in my process table
[20:33] <mhb> it's python
[20:34] <jpatrick> mhb: I think MI5 got him
[20:34] <seele> ah hah.. k
[20:34] <mhb> killall python if you don't have any other python apps running
[20:34] <seele> yeah, got it
[20:34] <mhb> othewise pick the PID and snipe him
[20:35] <jpatrick> mhb: that's no way to talk about our leader
[20:36] <mhb> jpatrick: which one?
[20:36] <mhb> jpatrick: the "irn bru drinking friend"?
[20:36] <jpatrick> mhb: yes
[20:37] <jpatrick> mhb: just a joke, me saying MI5 and you "sniping him" ;-)
[20:37] <mhb> jpatrick: by him I meant his baby
[20:38] <jpatrick> ...?
[20:38] <mhb> seele: hmm
[20:38] <mhb> seele: the other system-config-printer-applet also doesn't do anything useful.
[20:38]  * jpatrick goes for some coffee
[20:39] <mhb> seele: you may want to try to plug in your printer while the system-longest-name-ever-kde is running
[20:39] <mhb> seele: perhaps something appears when a printer is connected.
[20:40] <seele> mhb: why would i need a printer to view the ui?
[20:40] <seele> mhb: unfortunately the only printer i have is network
[20:40] <mhb> seele: well the idea of this app is to show "printer connected" and configure the printer when you plug it in
[20:40] <mhb> or so I understand
[20:40] <mhb> seele: yeah, me too.
[20:46] <mhb> jpatrick: I love you even more now :o)
[20:49] <mornfall> yuriy: Ping.
[20:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Mind if I merge sip4-qt3?
[20:58] <mornfall> yuriy: (If you find some time, I have implemented search-as-you-type together with some other improvements in the list code.)
[21:03] <mhb> any kde4 builder out here?
[21:03] <iRon> jpatrick: looks like kubuntu-meeting-20080112.pdf actualy is "20080123"
[21:04] <jpatrick> iRon: yes, it got overwritten, did you see the PS in the mail? :o)
[21:05] <Tonio_> ScottK2: please do :)
[21:05] <mhb> ah, Tonio_
[21:05] <mhb> just the man :o)
[21:06] <Tonio_> mhb: what about kde4-config ? there is no config file for kdesudo....
[21:06] <coreymon77> hey guys
[21:06] <coreymon77> sorry about not being there last night, i completely forgot
[21:06] <iRon> jpatrick: now i see it :)
[21:06] <mhb> CMake Error: ERROR: Could not find KDE4 kde4-config
[21:06] <Tonio_> hu ?
[21:06] <mhb> which is strange, as I have it installed
[21:06] <Tonio_> I don't have this error
[21:08] <Tonio_> mhb: the first error I get is /home/tonio/Desktop/kdesudo/kdesudo-3.0/kdesudo/kdesudo.cpp:54: erreur: invalid use of incomplete type «struct KCookie»
[21:08] <Tonio_> mhb: I just run debuild from sources to start the build
[21:09] <Tonio_> mhb: does it fail on the configure part for you ?
[21:10] <mhb> it fails when I do "cmake ."
[21:10] <mhb> in the KDE4 trunk
[21:10] <mhb> branch
[21:10] <Tonio_> weird
[21:11] <Tonio_> mhb: probably an env related problem
[21:11] <Tonio_> mhb: run debuild
[21:11] <mhb> right, debuild works.
[21:11] <mhb> strange.
[21:13] <Tonio_> mhb: probably something related to kubuntu specifics due to path changing
[21:13] <Tonio_> mhb: we are not installing kde4 apps in /usr/
[21:13] <Tonio_> mhb: that may explain the difference
[21:13] <Tonio_> mhb: btw, the cmake structure seems correct, and main.cpp is okay now
[21:14] <Tonio_> mhb: the biggest problem is that kcookie thing
[21:14] <Tonio_> mhb: what I did to make it to work temporary is copying the kcookie locally in /usr/lib/kde4/include/kdesu
[21:14] <Tonio_> mhb: the file if found then, but the error remains....
[21:15] <Tonio_> I hope this'll help you...
[21:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: ark works again after rebuilt
[21:16] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks, I'll look into it.
[21:17] <Tonio_> mhb: super :)
[21:21] <nixternal_> oh wow is it cold outside
[21:22] <jpatrick> nixternal_: dunno, is it?
[21:22] <nixternal_> just a bit
[21:22] <nixternal_> my face was hurtin'
[21:22] <jpatrick> same here
[21:23] <jpatrick> keep your fingers warm - I didn't - joints started to hurt
[21:23] <nixternal_> ya, I wore gloves out there
[21:24] <nixternal_> had to clear the driveway of snow again, fix the tail light on my truck (which wasn't broken), and performed a tune-up
[21:28] <vorian> nixternal_: it's like -1bagillion° here
[21:28] <vorian> and my pinkies are turning black
[21:28] <nixternal_> haha
[21:28] <vorian> *wonders if thats bad*
[21:33] <nixternal_> I wonder if there is a Felpro DFI application for Linux
[21:33] <nixternal_> I think it is about time I retire my Pentium 300 laptop with Windows 95 on it :p
[21:33] <bddebian> Any of you KDE folks cmake experts?
[21:33] <nixternal_> we all are
[21:33] <nixternal_> except me
[21:33] <nixternal_> ;p
[21:33] <nixternal_> what's up?
[21:33] <mhb> and me
[21:34] <mhb> :o)
[21:34] <nixternal_> haha
[21:34] <bddebian> I'm looking at libapache2-mod-xmlrpc2.  It does SET(FOO "'${FOO_PROG} --cflags'") which apparently used to work
[21:35] <nixternal_> hrmm
[21:36] <bddebian> Now it blows up.  I'm trying to use EXECUTE_PROCESS(COMMAND ${FOO_PROG} --cflags OUTPUT_VARIABLE FOO_CFLAGS) but that doesn't seem to work either
[21:36] <nixternal_> SET(FOO ${FOO_PROG} --cflags)  doesn't work either? last time I edited a CMakeList.txt that was similar, I didn't have the ' or the "
[21:37] <bddebian> Well the total thing is: SET(CMAKE_C_FLAGS "${CMAKE_C_FLAGS '${FOO_PROG} --cflags'")
[21:38] <cuco> is PowerManager been re-written for the next version?
[21:38] <bddebian> It's trying to appent xmlrpc-c-config --cflags to CMAKE_C_FLAGS
[21:38] <bddebian> append even
[21:38] <nixternal_> hrmm, I couldn't tell ya then
[21:38] <nixternal_> time for some foodage before school
[21:40] <mhb> Tonio_: man, your coding style is really amusing sometimes
[21:41] <mhb> Tonio_: I don't mean it badly...
[21:41] <mhb> I love this line:
[21:41] <mhb> private: // Public attributes
[21:41] <mhb> it leaves me puzzled about what you really meant :o)
[21:42] <mhb> (I guess you meant private attributes, but were thinking about something else)
[21:44] <Tonio_> mhb: that was already in the code in fact ;)
[21:44] <Tonio_> I never fixed it that's all :)
[21:45] <mhb> ah, sorry to have assumed it is yours :o)
[21:45] <mhb> it was really funny
[21:45] <Tonio_> mhb: and yeah I'm a non-coder that code, that's why it can look strange :)
[21:45] <Tonio_> mhb: but works, that's the most important
[21:45] <Tonio_> mhb: if it was me there wouldn't be any comment in fact :) hehe
[21:49] <mhb> ah yes
[21:49] <mhb> I am stupid.
[21:49] <mhb> also
[21:49] <ScottK2> So python-qt4 needed the new sip4-qt3, so I'm merging that one too.
[21:49] <mhb> namespaces are stupid.
[21:52] <mhb> Tonio_: I fixed some of the initial errors
[22:00] <mhb> Tonio_: hrm, you bothered with all the DCOP magic and now we need to tear it out of it :o)
[22:01] <Tonio_> hehe, yep ;)
[22:02] <ScottK> Bug #185754 is available for the uploading pleasure of any core-devs around ...
[22:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185754 in sip4-qt3 "Please merge sip4-qt3 4.7.3-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185754
[22:02] <ryanakca> Riddell: whoever wants to attack kdebindings-kde4 can feel free to do so
[22:02] <mhb> Tonio_: also, the new KCookie just has displayAuth()...
[22:02] <mhb> so no iceAuth() either
[22:05] <mhb> Tonio_: I've got some stuff working, but there are still errors to pursue.
[22:05] <mhb> and a lot of them.
[22:06] <mhb> I guess I commit, then go back to learning and perhaps take a look at it sometime later.
[22:42] <mhb> is it me or is everything twice as big in KDE4 as it is in KDE3?
[22:42] <mhb> the fonts
[22:43] <mhb> the desktop icons
[22:45] <mhb> has anyone noticed that?
[22:45] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[22:46] <iRon> mhb: check font DPI settings in kde3 and kde4.. i set manualy to 96dpi in both.. so my fonts are identical in kde3 and kde4.
[22:48] <mhb> hmm, yes, 96 dpi feels smaller
[22:48] <blizzzek> hi
[22:48] <mhb> thanks iRon
[22:49] <iRon> mhb: yw :)
[23:17] <mhb> hmm
[23:18] <mhb> I've gotten rid of the black, ugly containment you call "panel"...
[23:18] <mhb> and somehow, the "organize your desk" metaphor appeals to me.
[23:18] <uga> iRon: why not just set the screen width and height in xorg.conf. Xorg will calculate the real dpi
[23:20] <iRon> uga: yep.. your sollution is technicaly better.. but mine is more simple :)
[23:20] <uga> if you know the dpi yes
[23:21] <uga> iRon: I had more trouble with color callibration. It seems kde3 obeyed to some older setting, from who knows what app
[23:21] <uga> maybe a kubuntu patch
[23:21] <uga> kde4 showed the screen much darker
[23:21] <uga> s/color callibration/gamma callibration, rather
[23:22] <uga> iRon: no matter what gamma settings I configured, kde would tweak it when loading
[23:22] <uga> it took me ages to figure out what file it was until I removed it
[23:22] <iRon> couldn't help with this.. never used gamma calibration
[23:24] <uga> my monitor is rather dark by default. I couldn't see the taskbar's brighter gradients that limit the buttons
[23:24] <uga> it was completely black almost
[23:48] <iRon> later
[23:58] <nixternal_> woohoo, learning how to be a software project manager
[23:58] <mhb> nixternal_: where?
[23:58] <mhb> nixternal_: and of what project?
[23:58] <nixternal_> at the uni
[23:58] <mhb> ah...
[23:59] <nixternal_> it is all apart of their systems analysis, design, and management course
[23:59] <mhb> I think the #1 thing is dedicate time to the project.
[23:59] <nixternal_> heh, you think? :)
[23:59] <nixternal_> I have "time dedication" down I think
[23:59] <nixternal_> this is our 2nd night in the class and he is already giving us a quiz...what is wrong with this guy :)