[00:01] hahaha [00:03] nixternal, could only vote motus and devs or members too? [00:04] I think everyone, but I don't know honestly [00:05] maybe I'm just too tired to see it [00:05] nixternal: only ubuntu development team members [00:05] nixternal: I think team polls are only open to the teams [00:06] yes, they are. [00:06] Voting team: Ubuntu Development Team [00:06] not even I, mhb the great, can vote. [00:06] lol === uga is now known as uga|away [00:15] stdin: ideas about latest comment on Bug 185407 [00:15] Launchpad bug 185407 in kdenetwork-kde4 "missing the config windows" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185407 [00:16] nixternal: do I have to approve you? :P [00:20] apachelogger_: odd, I don't see that happening for me [00:20] stdin: I can't even think about a reason for this [00:21] I can't either [00:22] does kdebase-workspace now depend on kdm-kde4 [00:23] nope, I think I forgot to do this [00:23] ...when I updated workspace [00:24] yeah bug 183800 [00:24] Launchpad bug 183800 in kdebase-workspace "cannot lock KDE 4 desktop" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183800 [00:24] damn distro confusion [00:24] * cheguevara just wrote equery depends kdebase-workspace in kubuntu [00:29] can anyone else reproduce bug 184434 [00:29] Launchpad bug 184434 in kdebase-workspace "KDE 4.0 panel & App. Launcher freak out when running Firefox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/184434 [00:31] nope [00:31] is kde4 going to be defualt in hardy+1 [00:31] yes [00:32] cheguevara: I think this is related to a driver issue [00:32] cheguevara: does the report say whether composite is active? [00:32] no i'll ask [00:32] * apachelogger patches kdelibs [00:32] and ask which driver his using [00:32] k [00:32] cheguevara: set status to incomplete [00:32] in case you can :D [00:32] yep [00:34] so apachelogger [KDE 4] in title and kde4 tag? [00:35] cheguevara: just tag [00:35] should be enough, at least for me [00:35] kk [00:35] cheguevara: you can however add it to the titel as well [00:35] thats up to you :P [00:36] might as well add them then :P [00:36] too bad there is no easy way to list the kde 4 packages in one place atm [00:41] cheguevara: kde4libs kdeaccessibility-kde4 kdeadmin-kde4 kdeartwork-kde4 kdebase-kde4 kdebase-runtime kdebase-workspace kdebindings-kde4 kdeedu-kde4 kdegames-kde4 kdegraphics-kde4 kdemultimedia-kde4 kdenetwork-kde4 kdepimlibs kdesdk-kde4 kdetoys-kde4 kdeutils-kde4 kdewebdev-kde4 should be the bulk [00:41] ah nice thanks [00:45] +dragonplayer :P [00:45] anybody uses the ppa gutsy packages? [00:45] yes [00:46] though I haven't updated in a while [00:46] what [00:46] a [00:46] shame [00:46] :( [00:46] I do [00:46] when you a chance can you check if bug 183734 and bug 182210 are still valid [00:46] Launchpad bug 183734 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-kde4 package broken due to unavailable dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183734 [00:46] Launchpad bug 182210 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-theme-icon-kde4 fails to install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/182210 [00:46] and they are updated [00:47] cheguevara: yes they are [00:47] I didn't touch artwork yet [00:47] *sets to confirmed then* [00:47] cheguevara: please assign me as well [00:48] lol you read my mind was about to ask if you want me to do that [00:48] apachelogger: we don't need to collaborate with Fedora, their current plan is to totally replace KDE 3 [00:48] ^_^ [00:48] nixternal: isn't that the ultimate idea of us as well? :) [00:48] actually, nix that, we should still stay in contact...I am creating a list of contacts now [00:49] good idea [00:49] I misread their plan [00:49] (and OpenSUSE?) [00:49] maybe we should form a distro collaboration team in genearl [00:49] apachelogger: wasn´t there some talk about a mailinglist about that some time ago? [00:49] as part of freedesktop.org maybe [00:49] on the planets? [00:49] we have one around here somewhere [00:50] nobody is active from the last I seen..check with stdin, I think he was working with them, though I can't remember 100% [00:50] stdin: ^ [00:50] crimsun: opensuse didn't decide much [00:51] they still dunno whether to use kde3 or 4 as default [00:51] the only thing that is going to happen is that 3 is going to contain parts of 4 and vice versa [00:51] mandriva? [00:51] *shrug* [00:51] dunno about them yet [00:51] omg [00:52] now it's 2am :D [00:52] huh? it's late and backscroll isn't helping me. what was I working with? [00:52] this ain't gonna end well [00:52] stdin: a distro collaboration working group thingy [00:53] * apachelogger is still compiling kdelib [00:53] well, I don't remember anything to do with that [00:53] s [00:53] stdin: so nixternal was lying [00:53] * Nightrose is currently checking where she read about that [00:53] kde3 will be the default in mandriva 2008 spring [00:53] Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008 [00:53] gimme some minutes [00:53] apachelogger: no, he's just been using vista too long, and it's started to erode his brain :p [00:53] * cheguevara kick ubotu [00:54] meh [00:54] I luv vista :| [00:54] we know you do :P [00:54] Nightrose: why are you up anyway? [00:54] apachelogger: for you honey ;-) [00:55] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=250 [00:55] there it is [00:55] mhhh [00:55] that is what I was talking about [00:55] dunno how far that went [00:55] Nightrose: we should stop talking on irc [00:56] * apachelogger jumps over to Nightrose and starts cuddling [00:56] apachelogger: why? [00:56] cheguevara: I don't get the issues with the bugs mentioned. and I have a feeling 182210 is due to an old/outdated package being installed [00:56] yay [00:56] ;-) [00:56] * Nightrose cuddles apachelogger [00:56] well have a look at http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=250 everyone [00:56] maybe this is useful [00:57] stdin, mark them as invalid if you are sure, i can't test [00:57] meh seems like there was no real result there... [00:57] just talking [00:57] damn it [00:57] well I just ssh'd into my gutsy machine and apt-get didn't complain [00:59] Nightrose: that is just crazy talk, collaboration between debian and ubuntu is almost inbreeding [00:59] apachelogger: *g* [00:59] "How many contributors do you have ? Are they split into different “classes” ? Who has “commit rights” ? Can you give out “commit rights” restricted to subsets of your packages ? A organized sponsorship system for people who don’t have commit rights ?" [00:59] well seems like something like that is really needed [00:59] maybe start something at freedesktop.org [00:59] What the f*** ? [00:59] Nightrose: agreed [00:59] fdo project [01:00] jep [01:00] with proper discussions [01:00] hmm [01:00] for stuff like how do we migrate KDE 3 stuff to KDE 4 [01:00] right [01:00] * apachelogger thinks Nightrose is going to get that rolling :D [01:00] oO [01:01] I can start something after friday evening [01:01] but not before that [01:02] earlier than me I guess [01:02] hmm right === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | KDE 4.0! http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [01:02] nixternal: you are creating the list of distros/people to contact? [01:03] then I will try to get something rolling at freedesktop.org on late friday [01:03] Nightrose: yes [01:03] cheguevara: question: why did you mark 183734 as confirmed? [01:03] nixternal: great [01:03] bug 183734 [01:03] Launchpad bug 183734 in kdeartwork-kde4 "kdeartwork-kde4 package broken due to unavailable dependencies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/183734 [01:03] stdin, because apachelogger told me to [01:04] silly apachelogger... :p [01:04] actually I just stated that I didn't touch artwork yet, so all issues are essentially still true :P [01:05] its still your fault :P [01:06] * Nightrose is off to bed - nini folks :) [01:06] night Nightrose [01:06] *cuddle apachelogger* [01:06] d'oh forgot the meeting again [01:06] lol [01:06] write it on your hand next time :P [01:06] Nightrose: I'll join you in a minute [01:06] or 2 [01:06] or 3 [01:06] ... [01:06] well [01:06] hihi ok honey [01:07] ... [01:07] can you take that to pm :P [01:07] cheguevara: pm? [01:07] oh [01:08] cools [01:08] stdin: I b0rked kdelibs on gutsy :P [01:08] -dev has a manual dep on libgif-dev [01:08] need to change that I guess :D [01:08] yeah, you do :P [01:08] btw mandriva plans are to have kde 3 by default in the next release and have an option in the installer to have kde 4 [01:09] I guess it's a good thing it didn't backport yet :) [01:09] stdin: well, just change the dep for -dev from libgif-dev to libgif-dev|libungif-dev [01:11] doesn't gutsty still use libgif for almsost everything [01:11] btw [01:11] anyone saw my nu kdm-kde4 yet? [01:11] cheguevara: libungif [01:12] in hardy however that has been dropped since upstream maintainer is missing [01:12] yeah i know, i did most half of the debdiffs [01:12] apachelogger_: i've been thinking about the whole backporting thing, it may be a good idea to put all the packages you change on a wiki so I can see what needs doing [01:12] but i am sure its libgif in gutsy, 'cause it only got changed in hardy [01:13] stdin: I usually send you the source url when I change a package :P [01:13] apachelogger_: yeah, but if you send it to me when i'm away I have to search for it and it's not guaranteed that i'll see it [01:14] I wish there was a way to put all highlights in another tab [01:15] quassel will have to do so [01:15] * apache|mobile is wondering why that stupid kdelibs patch didn't work [01:16] very strange [01:17] anyway [01:17] gotta go to bed [01:17] nini [01:27] hmm, I love wasting 15 mins of my life explaining to someone why doing /nick blah_AFK is not a good thing... [01:30] lol [01:31] but then some times its useful, because you'll spend time pinging the person and wondering if he's there or not [01:31] I even got the classic question "how old are you?" (and by "classic" I mean annoying irrelevant and totally inappropriate) [01:31] lol [01:32] stdin, ASL?? [01:32] :P [01:32] j/k [01:32] none of your business/yes please/here :) [01:33] haha [01:33] * cheguevara now thinks stdin is 14 [01:34] funny, so did the _AFK guy, he was wrong too :p [01:34] must be 13 then :P [01:34] no, it doesn't start with a '1' [01:35] it does end in it though [01:35] 51 :P [01:35] um, lower :p [01:36] 21 or 31 then [01:36] i'd say 21 [01:36] exact-o-mondo :) [01:36] heh i bet i am the youngest here [01:37] probably not, there's bound to be a toddler slapping a keyboard somewhere :p [01:37] heh, yeah a little genius :P [01:38] there are posts on PCLinuxOS forums of 13 year olds donating their pocket money [01:38] so you never know :P [01:38] heh, I remember the days of spending my pocked money on SuSE and Mandrake [01:39] *pocket [01:39] heh i think 'cause of growing up pretty poor, donating is an issue for me [01:40] donate time and effort, those are the most valuable things to a community [01:40] yeah thats what i end up doing, plus donating deffinetely won't give us another Riddell lol [01:41] there's only one Riddell [01:41] thank god :p [01:41] haha [01:41] oh they haven't cloned Riddell yet? [01:41] they are still working on it [01:42] but somethign went work and the clone starts all its words with K [01:42] :P [01:45] uhh, why did i put the same keyboard shortcut to /part channels as to close tabs... [01:45] tabs in FF that si [01:45] is [01:45] heh [01:46] logic [01:46] part chan == close tab [01:47] but it means that when I hold ctrl-w down to close my 50 tabs and exit FF and the irc client is under FF I part 3 or 4 channels :p [01:53] can't you just quit firefox if you are closing it anyway [01:56] or don't let it exit when you close the last tab.. [01:56] there's no shortcut to quit Ctrl-Q = nothign [01:56] alt-f4? [01:56] but that's assigned to something else, in kwin [01:56] I don't have a "Close window" shortcut in it [01:57] or you could just click that little x button in the top right corner :P [01:57] but, that'd involve me using the mouse [01:57] oh noez [01:57] :P [01:57] my fingers are on the keys, why should I have to move them somewhere else just to close a window ;) [01:59] there's also and extension called keyconfig if you reaaaly need a key for quit [02:03] gribelu: seems like too much hard work to get one shortcut working, I usually have my irc client minimised when browsing anyway [02:04] jesus.. [02:05] heh [02:08] how is everyone tonight? [02:08] kwwii: just wanted to say i love the look of hardy.... even though it isn't all black like i read on a blog during UDS-Boston [02:16] gn8 [02:34] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE4MigrationDistroCollab [02:34] ^^ that is what I have thus far for distro connections [02:35] still need to add some more... now we need to create exactly what we want to communicate to the distros as far as what we are seeking and attempting to do [02:36] thus far, openSUSE, Debian, and Fedora are the most transparent with Gentoo right behind [02:36] Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and Mepis are either a) non-existant, or b) not transparent at all [02:37] heh [02:37] * ryanakca wonders if anybody still uses slackware and where it would place on that list [02:42] how was the meeting? [02:44] pretty good I must say [02:46] * nixternal eats [02:46] no food for you [02:47] heh [02:48] * Hobbsee frowns at ardichoille [03:05] nixternal: What did we decide? [03:31] off to sleep [03:31] good night [03:35] nixternal: fedora's plan doesn't sound "similar to ours" at all [03:37] What's Fedora's plan? [03:37] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE4MigrationDistroCollab [03:37] ScottK2: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4 [03:40] Agreed. Not like ours at all. [03:40] Of course being a beta distro for RHEL, they can do stuff like that. [03:42] ooh this is interesting though: http://trolltech.com/products/qt/lifecyclestatement [03:42] mentioned in the fedora plan, qt3 is no longer supported [03:42] i'm surprised that was never brought up in the LTS discussion [03:43] We don't reallyl get qt from Trolltech though. We get it from KDE (I think). [03:45] hmm really? you mean like their qt-copy? [03:46] regardless, it's a valid point for canonical to not want to support kde3 [03:46] I mean as long as KDE is supporting KDE3, they'll have to pay attention to qt. [03:47] yuriy: I don't really care about their reasons. KDE4 is not something I'm really caring about right now, so this shift in plans basically makes Kubuntu Hardy irrelevant to me. [04:14] "Their plan is similar to ours and that is to utilize the ~/.kde directory for KDE 4" [04:14] so it is in fact similar to our in that aspect [04:15] they are going to migrate as well, and haven't figured out just yet how to go about doing it [04:21] I think name the KDE4 packages KDE and let a few KDE3 packages live is a different plan. [04:21] So we're going to put KDE4 in .kde now? [04:22] not right now we aren't [04:22] something for hardy+1 [04:22] Ah. [04:22] OK. I feel better [04:22] but creating a migration tool will take some time, so it is better to start researching and collaborating now [04:30] how will upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 work? will people automatically get kde4 a a default? [04:39] jjesse: I really hope not. That would be a bit suprising. [04:39] what is the correct wya to reference dolphin in kde4? dolphin or dolph!n [04:39] or something else [04:40] Good night all [04:40] night ScottK [04:43] if you have kde3, you will keep kde3 [04:43] g'nite ScottK2 [04:43] hrm ok, so on my gutsy install i have kde3 and kde4 running so when i upgrade to hardy what will be my default? [04:44] neither [04:44] ? [04:44] a dist-upgrade is going to upgrade what you have and install only new things that need to be installed [04:44] kde4 wont' replace kde3 and kde3 won't replace kde4, they will continue working side-by-side with Hardy [04:44] gargh ok that's not how i understood it [04:44] it won't be until hardy+1 that there could be a full replacement of kde3 by kde4 [04:45] we are planning on a KDE 3.5.9 in the next month or so, so we aren't going to be getting rid of it [04:46] hrmmm [04:48] if you don't have kde4 when hardy is release, then only kde3 will get updated...kde4 will only update if you have kde4 packages installed and they will continue to run the same way [04:48] hope that clarifies a little better [04:48] makes things way more complicated [04:48] why is that? [04:48] thinking purely from documentation standpoint both official ubunt ubook and also the help [04:48] ahh, hehe, tell me about it [04:49] well not more complicated, just a hell of a lot more work :) [04:49] how do i write a chapter that focus on both kde 3.5.X plus 4.X when the user might one or the other [04:49] very frustrating [04:50] I would stick with KDE 3.5.x for the chapter with maybe a page or two on the availability of KDE 4.x and how it can run side-by-side so the reader can play with it if he/she wants to [04:50] then again, having a little extra info on kde 4.x with some screenshots will make the Official Ubuntu book the first one with KDE 4.x info :) [04:51] I am willing to give you a hand on that if you would like it [04:52] * jjesse is just frustrated [04:52] jjesse: I suggest you take both his hands... heck his arms too! [04:52] * Jucato goes back to bed, trying to shake of the asthma... [04:52] ouch, get better soon! [04:52] * jjesse wishes Jucato a better day [04:53] this week I discovered another great asthma-inducer... stress and tension :/ [04:54] hehe [04:57] anyone will attend http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/Events/China? [07:32] fdoving: I just made kdesudo working without the use of a shell process.... [07:33] fdoving: that has a lot of advantages, aka no jumping icon forever, no quoting on args etc....... [07:33] fdoving: also that fixes the issue with apps detaching themselves, like k3b and amarok [07:33] Riddell: I plan to release tomorrow, as at the moment I'm doing code cleanup [07:36] Tonio_: throw me with sources when ready :)) [07:37] Tm_T: sure ;) [07:46] Tm_T: at the moment I'm doikng code cleaning [07:46] Tm_T: main.cpp has way too much code in it === \sh_away is now known as \sh [08:20] * apache|mobile starts crying [08:21] * Nightrose cuddles apache|mobile [08:21] morning honey [08:21] wasup? [08:21] Riddell: apparently krunner/kickoff search doesn't respect the notshowin stuff [08:21] which makes me wonder why they don't use ksycoca at all [08:21] Nightrose: hey, honey, already up :P [08:22] hehe jep [08:22] only 9:30... almost night [08:22] *g* right === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:00] doods [10:00] http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/system-config-printer-kde_0.01-0ubuntu1_all.deb [10:00] who's got a printer?? [10:01] Riddell: I do :) [10:01] davmor2: fancy testing this new applet? [10:02] can it be run from livecd [10:02] don't see why not [10:02] np [10:02] install that package (it'll bring in a bunch of hal and gnome bits) [10:02] plug in printer [10:02] watch as it magically configures itself [10:02] be about 5 mins [10:03] oh like it does in gnome ;) [10:06] davmor2: pretty well identical, it's a port of the gtk version [10:07] have there been any changes related to bluetooth recently ? [10:08] Riddell: ooh ooooooh! [10:08] Riddell: I'll put my sister try that too [10:08] (when I'll be able to) [10:09] Tm_T: did you give me updated text for suomi on support.php? [10:09] Riddell: I think I did, hold a second [10:10] im suddenly not able to establish a connection from my desktop to the mobile and vice versa, but bluetooth service is running and i dont see the reason why it does not work [10:10] Riddell: http://www.tm-travolta.net/tekstit/kubuntu-support.txt [10:10] Riddell: that is utf-8 [10:10] or, should be atleast [10:11] Riddell: do you want net work printers testing too? [10:12] Tm_T: updated, thanks [10:13] Riddell: thank to you :) [10:13] davmor2: that's up to cups to make work [10:15] this applet should show them if cups picks them up [10:17] oh with a different usb slot it works, sorry [10:18] Riddell: beings as I've finished my course now I have updated my main machine to hardy. So I'm going to reinstall Kubuntu on my test machine and then try so about 15mins if that's okay [10:18] davmor2: groovy [10:19] I can afford to leave Kub on my test machine then :) once the test are out of the way. That way if you need anything testing just let me know ;) [10:34] seele: when you get a moment you may want to check that applet for any obvious usability issues, it's not the full config tool we discussed yet but it should be one day [10:34] Riddell: network no issues [10:34] davmor2: network printers show up? [10:35] yes [10:35] davmor2: excellent excellent [10:36] just trying usb need to reboot first though (bloody updates ;)) [10:37] does the app configure network printers, too? [10:37] mhb: Do those need configuration? All the CUPS printers I use seem to work out of the box. [10:38] mhb: No cups just sees it [10:38] Riddell: right plugging in now fingers crossed [10:38] meaning "without any sort of detection"? I doubt it :o) [10:40] ipp network printers should be magically picked up through zeroconf [10:40] Riddell: nothing :( shouldn't a notify window of popped up? [10:40] if it's not on zeroconf or ipp you need to configure it manually which can be done in the old kde printer setup kcontrol or wait until I write the full config frontend for this [10:42] Riddell: I'm going to install all the updates and try again hang on [10:42] davmor2: it should popup a bubble in the systray [10:42] it won't if the printer is already configured though [10:42] no it didn't :( [10:42] humbug [10:43] give me a minute though I'll run the update remove all printers and try again for you [10:44] you may need to restart hal and cups after removing all printers [10:45] np [10:45] there were like 212 updates it maybe relying on one :) [10:50] Riddell: hi! where should i put modified failsafe* scripts? they are now located in /etc/gdm/.. may be put them in /etc/X11/failsafe/ or /etc/X11/bulletproofx ? [10:50] Riddell: this scripts installed with x11-common package.. so there is no need to touch gdm package at all [10:53] iRon: /etc/X11/.. seems sensible [10:54] Riddell: there are 4 files -- failsafeBlacklist failsafeXinit failsafeXServer failsafeDexconf [10:55] Riddell: so put all of them to /etc/X11 ? [10:55] Riddell: or in some subdir ? [10:57] iRon: /etc/X11 seems fine to me [10:57] ok [11:04] Riddell: like the new backdrop right trying again [11:05] Riddell: Not a thing [11:05] humbug [11:07]