| mornfall | So what are the priorities? | 00:00 |
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| nosrednaekim | .45 between the eyes... | 00:00 |
| cheguevara | apachelogger, yeah, i get you, its just that bug tracker is huge :P | 00:00 |
| Riddell | port the existing bits to kde 4 is the priority (not super priority, we havn't been expecting anything for hardy, but it'll be needed for hardy+1) | 00:00 |
| * Nightrose is good at searching stuff | 00:01 | |
| apachelogger | cheguevara: you just need to know how to search, really ;-) | 00:01 |
| Nightrose | +for | 00:01 |
| cheguevara | :P | 00:01 |
| cheguevara | am I right that the kde 4 packages are not yet auto assigned to kubuntu team | 00:01 |
| cheguevara | as in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | 00:01 |
| mornfall | Riddell: Well, existing bits. | 00:01 |
| Riddell | cheguevara: right | 00:02 |
| mornfall | Riddell: The existing bits are beyond repair. | 00:02 |
| Riddell | mornfall: s/port/rewrite/ then | 00:02 |
| mornfall | We don't have yuriy around... | 00:02 |
| mornfall | Hm. | 00:02 |
| mornfall | I am fairly sure that I won't be able to do all the frontends we have now. | 00:03 |
| mornfall | For Hardy that is. | 00:03 |
| mornfall | But it shouldn't be too hard to do those. | 00:03 |
| mornfall | Notifier is trivial (guts-wise), but it should be a plasmoid or something I guess, so the UI bits are tricky. | 00:03 |
| Riddell | notifier has some tacked on bits these days, for apport and reboot notification | 00:04 |
| mornfall | For updater and installer, uh-uh. The .desktop infrastructure I can port over, but the UI needs to be done. | 00:04 |
| mornfall | Well, if I find time, I could do that, but. There is nontrivial amount of work on the common guts. | 00:05 |
| Riddell | but for hardy we'll be having kde 3 stuff on the kde 4 CD anyway, it's not a problem to resort back to kde 3 where there's gaps | 00:05 |
| mornfall | 1) *robust* dpkg handling (that's a number one, since that's the number one problem with old adept) | 00:06 |
| apachelogger | +1 | 00:06 |
| mornfall | (Other robustness issues should be solved by now.) | 00:06 |
| mornfall | 1a) is the obvious under-the-hood coding | 00:07 |
| mornfall | 1b) is GUI conffile handling (wreaks havoc with current adept, somehow) | 00:07 |
| mornfall | 1c) is some debconf magic | 00:07 |
| mornfall | 1d) would be to get a controlling terminal, but I think that's optional | 00:07 |
| Riddell | I'd like to see terminals in GUI package apps die | 00:08 |
| Riddell | it's a nightmare with the dist-upgrade tool | 00:08 |
| mornfall | 2) would be download progress UI, which I am a total loss on how to implement | 00:08 |
| mornfall | As in, how to visualise the download, since there can be some parallelism with APT. | 00:09 |
| mornfall | I am not too fond of the current widget. | 00:09 |
| Riddell | doesn't it know the total amount to download and the amount currently downloaded? a simple progress bar would be clearest | 00:09 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It's always been a nightmare. | 00:09 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: I dunno if it's just my personal perception, but adept always seemed kinda slow to me, updater for example (compared to the ubuntu counterpart) | 00:10 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: Not anymore. | 00:10 |
| apachelogger | very nice :D | 00:10 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive and go install it for homework. | 00:10 |
| Riddell | adept 3 is much faster | 00:10 |
| mornfall | There's still the xapian index update issue (that's somewhere around point 3) | 00:11 |
| mornfall | Which will make it slow to start from time to time. Although, a possible fix would be: | 00:11 |
| Riddell | mornfall: daily cron? | 00:11 |
| mornfall | build index in postinst and fork off a background job to update it when exiting | 00:11 |
| Riddell | along with the apt update | 00:11 |
| mornfall | Could do, but that won't work for everyone, I suspect. | 00:12 |
| mornfall | The xapian index is not required to be absolutely up to date. | 00:12 |
| pygi | but is suggested to be | 00:12 |
| mornfall | Why? | 00:13 |
| mornfall | Anyway, that's a technical issue. | 00:13 |
| mornfall | Anything else about priorities? | 00:13 |
| pygi | true | 00:13 |
| mornfall | With those 3 sorted out, we can have a decent package manager in KDE 4. | 00:14 |
| mornfall | It won't be able to edit sources. | 00:14 |
| mornfall | (For the time being, it can suggest to run software-properties-kde in the Sources tab.) | 00:14 |
| mornfall | Maybe even have a button for it. | 00:14 |
| Riddell | conffile handling always seems messy to me, would be nicer if it used a debconf interface | 00:17 |
| Riddell | but I expect there's a reason it can't | 00:17 |
| mornfall | Riddell: It's actually better if it doesn't use debconf. | 00:17 |
| mornfall | Riddell: But some packages use UCF which is debconf-based. | 00:17 |
| mornfall | But, dpkg has an interface for GUIs to handle the conffiles. | 00:17 |
| Riddell | oh, ok | 00:18 |
| mornfall | (Same as for the progress reporting.) | 00:18 |
| Riddell | I would think just caring about manager until it works would be sensible, worrying about the otherrontends might be a distraction | 00:19 |
| mornfall | Ok. I also think that with the current interface, it is more graspable for newbies. | 00:20 |
| mornfall | Some filtering options will appear, but it should stay fairly clean. | 00:20 |
| Riddell | yes, although I'm no totallyt convinced at the expanding list items | 00:21 |
| mornfall | Hm. I still don't have better solution for that... | 00:21 |
| Riddell | it would need another panel to hte side or bottom, which takes up screen space | 00:21 |
| mornfall | The split-view has a different set of problems. It's pick your poison kind of choice. | 00:22 |
| Riddell | yes | 00:22 |
| Riddell | well, it's late, has that helped? any other questions? | 00:23 |
| mornfall | Me? Probably no. Thanks. | 00:23 |
| Riddell | my roommate has gone to sleep so it's probably time for me to do so too | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | :) | 00:24 |
| mornfall | (I just needed to make sure I have priorities roughly matched with expectations...) | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: btw, we have to patch KDE for the desktop files | 00:25 |
| mornfall | Goodnight then, I should probably sleep, too. | 00:25 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: because setting the XDG var in env won't solve the issue really - gnome doesn't use env and everything else would result in the same issue | 00:26 |
| mhb | goodnight Riddell | 00:26 |
| mhb | and everyone | 00:26 |
| mhb | thanks for being here | 00:27 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: (Try the profile files in /etc maybe, they may be sourced upon login.) | 00:27 |
| cheguevara | good night everyone | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: well it will always have the same issues | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | either the configuration is too global | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | as the stuff in etc | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | which would also apply to KDE 4 | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | hence not improve the situation at all | 00:27 |
| apachelogger | or it is too specific like env which is only used by kde really | 00:28 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: You can combine them: apply it in /etc and undo in kde4-env. | 00:28 |
| apachelogger | uhh, I think a patch is easier then :P | 00:28 |
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