[00:00] So what are the priorities? [00:00] .45 between the eyes... [00:00] apachelogger, yeah, i get you, its just that bug tracker is huge :P [00:00] port the existing bits to kde 4 is the priority (not super priority, we havn't been expecting anything for hardy, but it'll be needed for hardy+1) [00:01] * Nightrose is good at searching stuff [00:01] cheguevara: you just need to know how to search, really ;-) [00:01] +for [00:01] :P [00:01] am I right that the kde 4 packages are not yet auto assigned to kubuntu team [00:01] as in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs [00:01] Riddell: Well, existing bits. [00:02] cheguevara: right [00:02] Riddell: The existing bits are beyond repair. [00:02] mornfall: s/port/rewrite/ then [00:02] We don't have yuriy around... [00:02] Hm. [00:03] I am fairly sure that I won't be able to do all the frontends we have now. [00:03] For Hardy that is. [00:03] But it shouldn't be too hard to do those. [00:03] Notifier is trivial (guts-wise), but it should be a plasmoid or something I guess, so the UI bits are tricky. [00:04] notifier has some tacked on bits these days, for apport and reboot notification [00:04] For updater and installer, uh-uh. The .desktop infrastructure I can port over, but the UI needs to be done. [00:05] Well, if I find time, I could do that, but. There is nontrivial amount of work on the common guts. [00:05] but for hardy we'll be having kde 3 stuff on the kde 4 CD anyway, it's not a problem to resort back to kde 3 where there's gaps [00:06] 1) *robust* dpkg handling (that's a number one, since that's the number one problem with old adept) [00:06] +1 [00:06] (Other robustness issues should be solved by now.) [00:07] 1a) is the obvious under-the-hood coding [00:07] 1b) is GUI conffile handling (wreaks havoc with current adept, somehow) [00:07] 1c) is some debconf magic [00:07] 1d) would be to get a controlling terminal, but I think that's optional [00:08] I'd like to see terminals in GUI package apps die [00:08] it's a nightmare with the dist-upgrade tool [00:08] 2) would be download progress UI, which I am a total loss on how to implement [00:09] As in, how to visualise the download, since there can be some parallelism with APT. [00:09] I am not too fond of the current widget. [00:09] doesn't it know the total amount to download and the amount currently downloaded? a simple progress bar would be clearest [00:09] Riddell: It's always been a nightmare. [00:10] mornfall: I dunno if it's just my personal perception, but adept always seemed kinda slow to me, updater for example (compared to the ubuntu counterpart) [00:10] apachelogger: Not anymore. [00:10] very nice :D [00:10] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~me-mornfall/+archive and go install it for homework. [00:10] adept 3 is much faster [00:11] There's still the xapian index update issue (that's somewhere around point 3) [00:11] Which will make it slow to start from time to time. Although, a possible fix would be: [00:11] mornfall: daily cron? [00:11] build index in postinst and fork off a background job to update it when exiting [00:11] along with the apt update [00:12] Could do, but that won't work for everyone, I suspect. [00:12] The xapian index is not required to be absolutely up to date. [00:12] but is suggested to be [00:13] Why? [00:13] Anyway, that's a technical issue. [00:13] Anything else about priorities? [00:13] true [00:14] With those 3 sorted out, we can have a decent package manager in KDE 4. [00:14] It won't be able to edit sources. [00:14] (For the time being, it can suggest to run software-properties-kde in the Sources tab.) [00:14] Maybe even have a button for it. [00:17] conffile handling always seems messy to me, would be nicer if it used a debconf interface [00:17] but I expect there's a reason it can't [00:17] Riddell: It's actually better if it doesn't use debconf. [00:17] Riddell: But some packages use UCF which is debconf-based. [00:17] But, dpkg has an interface for GUIs to handle the conffiles. [00:18] oh, ok [00:18] (Same as for the progress reporting.) [00:19] I would think just caring about manager until it works would be sensible, worrying about the otherrontends might be a distraction [00:20] Ok. I also think that with the current interface, it is more graspable for newbies. [00:20] Some filtering options will appear, but it should stay fairly clean. [00:21] yes, although I'm no totallyt convinced at the expanding list items [00:21] Hm. I still don't have better solution for that... [00:21] it would need another panel to hte side or bottom, which takes up screen space [00:22] The split-view has a different set of problems. It's pick your poison kind of choice. [00:22] yes [00:23] well, it's late, has that helped? any other questions? [00:23] Me? Probably no. Thanks. [00:24] my roommate has gone to sleep so it's probably time for me to do so too [00:24] :) [00:24] (I just needed to make sure I have priorities roughly matched with expectations...) [00:25] Riddell: btw, we have to patch KDE for the desktop files [00:25] Goodnight then, I should probably sleep, too. [00:26] Riddell: because setting the XDG var in env won't solve the issue really - gnome doesn't use env and everything else would result in the same issue [00:26] goodnight Riddell [00:26] and everyone [00:27] thanks for being here [00:27] apachelogger: (Try the profile files in /etc maybe, they may be sourced upon login.) [00:27] good night everyone [00:27] mornfall: well it will always have the same issues [00:27] either the configuration is too global [00:27] as the stuff in etc [00:27] which would also apply to KDE 4 [00:27] hence not improve the situation at all [00:28] or it is too specific like env which is only used by kde really [00:28] apachelogger: You can combine them: apply it in /etc and undo in kde4-env. [00:28] uhh, I think a patch is easier then :P [00:44] @schedule === ubotu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 30 Jan 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu meeting | 01 Feb 20:00 UTC: MOTU | 13 Feb 22:30 UTC: Forum Council === Varka_ is now known as Varka [02:16] gn8 [03:37] * emgent night. 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