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smagoun | lool: I posted a debdiff for the hildon glade file in cheese yesterday; did you get a chance to look at it? people.ubuntu.com/~smagoun/cheese-2.21.5-update-hildon-glade.debdiff | 15:38 |
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smagoun | try again: http://people.ubuntu.com/~smagoun/cheese-2.21.5-update-hildon-glade.debdiff | 15:39 |
lool | smagoun: I got it, yes | 15:39 |
lool | smagoun: But you weren't on IRC when I wanted to reply | 15:39 |
lool | smagoun: I didn't try it out though | 15:39 |
smagoun | lool: sorry, wife and kid to attend to :) | 15:39 |
lool | smagoun: Oh sure, I don't expect you to be around all the time | 15:40 |
lool | smagoun: So one option is that I go pester my sponsor to sponsor this additional update, but I think it would be simpler if you could simply request sponsoring for this debdiff | 15:40 |
lool | smagoun: There's no reason it shouldn't go to hardy right now :) | 15:41 |
smagoun | lool: I'd be happy to. I assume I need to fix the version in the changelog (from ubuntu1um1 to ubuntu2)? | 15:41 |
lool | smagoun: I guess either one of StevenK or Mithrandir could sponsor it; I asked seb128 to sponsor my upload; you can request sponsoring for main via bug reports to launchpad | 15:41 |
lool | smagoun: Correct | 15:41 |
lool | smagoun: I would mention that the changes are in the 40_hildon patch | 15:42 |
lool | smagoun: If you get access to the cheese.hildon.glade file, it would be nice to send the updated file to Matthew | 15:42 |
lool | smagoun: Matthew Garrett <mjg59@srcf.ucam.org> | 15:43 |
smagoun | alright, I'll file a bug. Am I correct that I need to attach the debdiff to the bug, assign the bug to myself, mark it as confirmed, then subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors to the bug? | 15:43 |
lool | smagoun: That sounds about right | 15:43 |
smagoun | lool: I'll sent it to him, thanks | 15:43 |
lool | smagoun: You can also pester Mithrandir and StevenK I guess :-P | 15:43 |
lool | smagoun: The bug is nice though as it will allow you to present your work for MOTU candidacy | 15:44 |
smagoun | :) | 15:44 |
lool | You do want to become MOTU _right_? :) | 15:44 |
smagoun | lool: absolument! | 15:46 |
agoliveira | smagoun: ... and may God have mercy upon your soul... | 15:57 |
Hobbsee | hah | 15:58 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: said by a non-MOTU :) | 15:58 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: That's exactly my point :) | 15:58 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: then again, that could be said for many things | 15:59 |
davidm | Hello | 15:59 |
Mithrandir | packaging is hard, let's go shopping. | 15:59 |
* Hobbsee waves to davidm | 15:59 | |
Mithrandir | hiya David | 16:00 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: Mithrandir, I wish... | 16:00 |
agoliveira | davidm: Hi again | 16:00 |
agoliveira | Mithrandir: not particulary hard I guess, just freaking boring. | 16:00 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: not enough problem solving? | 16:01 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: No, far from it. Just not the kind I like. To me it's like go to the dentist. I know I have to and I do it from time to time but it does not mean I have to like it. | 16:03 |
Hobbsee | mmm | 16:04 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: so get rid of it, and get dumped with all the incredibly difficult problems instead? | 16:04 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: Maybe :) but I don't have a choice, it's part of my job. | 16:05 |
agoliveira | I mean, if I want to keep my job, of course :) | 16:06 |
* Hobbsee would have thought there would be other people happy to do more packaging, and shelve some of their more complicated stuff that they didn't like doing. | 16:07 | |
Hobbsee | (ie, and swap) | 16:07 |
Hobbsee | unless the aim is to get you skilled in every section, of course | 16:07 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: Yeah, maybe I can get a raise after all :P | 16:08 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: a raise would be required? i would have thought it was worth it from the job satisfaction POV | 16:09 |
agoliveira | Hobbsee: Not required but aways nice nonetheless. But don't get me wrong, I really like my job as a whole and specially the company I'm working for (or I rather leave, I'm not shy in that department) just there's some things I "dislike" to do more than others, that's all. | 16:12 |
lool | agoliveira: Are you going to the Bossa Conference on open source and mobile devices? | 16:13 |
Hobbsee | agoliveira: eparse - the bit in the brackets | 16:13 |
ian_brasil | lool: yes i think so | 16:14 |
lool | Would be nice to represent UME there and meet the maemo folks I'd guess | 16:14 |
agoliveira | lool: Well, I really want to be there, just need davidm's ok ;) | 16:15 |
ian_brasil | you seen the place in Recife..very chic | 16:15 |
lool | davidm: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8375523931.html | 16:16 |
lool | funded by ian_brasil's company IIUC? | 16:16 |
ian_brasil | i wish it were my company...you see the first quarter results? | 16:16 |
ian_brasil | Nokia on Thursday reported fourth quarter 2007 net sales of EUR 15.7 billion | 16:17 |
agoliveira | lool: Actually, I added that to the conferenceattendence wiki a few weeks ago. | 16:17 |
ian_brasil | and debconf in argentina too | 16:19 |
lool | Nokia is too rich | 16:22 |
lool | They should give money away | 16:22 |
Mithrandir | they give out hardware instead. | 16:23 |
ian_brasil | it is a drop in the ocean fir sure but have a look at http://shareideas.org/index.php/Main_Page | 16:24 |
lool | Mithrandir: By *cough* mirror | 16:24 |
lool | *error | 16:27 |
lool | Damn | 16:27 |
lool | How could I write mirror instead of error | 16:27 |
suihkulokki | lool: they do give money away. buy shares and they'll give you too :) | 16:50 |
lool | suihkulokki: haha | 16:51 |
HappyCamp_laptop | agoliveira: Did you get a coat for the trip? | 16:57 |
agoliveira | HappyCamp_laptop: Yeah, bought a good one in a sports store. The kind one uses for trekking, warm and waterproof. | 16:58 |
HappyCamp_laptop | Good to hear :) I'm sure you will survive | 16:58 |
HappyCamp_laptop | We do keep the buildings fairly warm ;) | 16:58 |
agoliveira | HappyCamp_laptop: I lived in NJ/NY for some time during winter so I have a good idea :) | 16:59 |
HappyCamp_laptop | Well we don't get that cold here! | 16:59 |
agoliveira | HappyCamp_laptop: I tought it was actually colder but below a certain point it's all the same to me :) | 17:00 |
davidm | #startmeeting | 17:00 |
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davidm | It's that time again | 17:00 |
davidm | I'm thinking this will be failry short since the sprint is next week and we only have two prior items and no current items yet. | 17:01 |
* bspencer__ quickly updates agenda... | 17:02 | |
alek_desk | :) | 17:02 |
davidm | [topic] Michael Frey (ChickenCutlass) to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 | 17:02 |
MootBot | New Topic: Michael Frey (ChickenCutlass) to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 | 17:02 |
ChickenCutlass | There is a boot chart uploaded to http://people.ubuntu.com/~smagoun/mfrey-bootchart-20080117-1.png | 17:02 |
ChickenCutlass | This is for ext3 since agoliveira already did charts for squashfs | 17:02 |
davidm | very good | 17:03 |
lool | Still quite CPU bound it seems | 17:03 |
Mithrandir | ChickenCutlass: agoliveira doesn't have a menlow system, though. | 17:03 |
ChickenCutlass | If anyone sees anything that jumps out please shout | 17:03 |
smagoun | ChickenCutlass: that's on the C0 CB, right? | 17:03 |
agoliveira | Indeed, I tried on my Q1. | 17:03 |
davidm | [link] http://people.ubuntu.com/~smagoun/mfrey-bootchart-20080117-1.png | 17:03 |
MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~smagoun/mfrey-bootchart-20080117-1.png | 17:03 |
ChickenCutlass | smagoun, yes C0 CB | 17:03 |
ChickenCutlass | ah did not know that agoliveira was on Q1 | 17:04 |
ChickenCutlass | not CB | 17:04 |
Mithrandir | smagoun: weren't you going to talk to cjwatson about getting ckbcomp and such to not be run on each boot? | 17:04 |
agoliveira | Looks even more cpu-bound than on Q1. | 17:04 |
Mithrandir | also, have you tested with the hardy image? | 17:04 |
smagoun | Mithrandir: once upon a time, yes. Other things have gotten in the way | 17:04 |
ChickenCutlass | no -- have not done any Hardy testing | 17:04 |
davidm | smagoun, can you take an action to talk to cjwatson about getting ckbcomp and such to not be run on each boot? | 17:05 |
Mithrandir | smagoun: can we give you an action to get that done? It should shave off 2s on the boot time, which is good (and basically free) | 17:05 |
smagoun | davidm: yes | 17:05 |
davidm | [action] smagoun, to talk to cjwatson about getting ckbcomp and such to not be run on each boot? | 17:06 |
MootBot | ACTION received: smagoun, to talk to cjwatson about getting ckbcomp and such to not be run on each boot? | 17:06 |
davidm | smagoun, thanks | 17:06 |
Mithrandir | it'd be interesting to see if hardy is any better as well. | 17:06 |
bspencer__ | I'm not certain what we've discovered (excuse my naivety) | 17:06 |
Mithrandir | any chance you could be convinced to take on that? | 17:06 |
bspencer__ | is ext3 much faster? | 17:06 |
davidm | ChickenCutlass, what would it take to run the same test on Hardy? | 17:07 |
ChickenCutlass | davidm, I could run the test -- do we have a Hardy image ready? | 17:07 |
agoliveira | bspencer__: It's not a very fair way to compare as we used 2 different platforms but the answer would be no. | 17:07 |
ToddBrandt | here | 17:08 |
davidm | ChickenCutlass, we do | 17:08 |
ChickenCutlass | davidm, ok -- give me URL and I will test it | 17:08 |
bspencer__ | agoliveira: sure. so we are going to do a valid test on Menlow.. or even one on Q1 with both ? | 17:08 |
davidm | We actually need to do three tests ext3 since the prior test was not on CB and then both on hardy | 17:08 |
agoliveira | bspencer__: That kind of answers I guess ;) | 17:09 |
davidm | [action] ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy and boot charts for gutsy ext3 on CB | 17:09 |
MootBot | ACTION received: ChickenCutlass to to produce boot charts for squashfs vs ext3 for hardy and boot charts for gutsy ext3 on CB | 17:09 |
davidm | Mithrandir, can you provide URL to ChickenCutlass for hardy image please? | 17:09 |
amitk | is udev or related scripts maxing out the cpu between 12 and 20s? | 17:10 |
bspencer__ | smagoun: in your chart, does it show the time of loading Hildon/mozembed/home screen ? I'm trying to find related info. When does the timing measurement end during boot process? | 17:10 |
davidm | [action] Mithrandir to provide ChickenCutlass URL to hardy images | 17:10 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Mithrandir to provide ChickenCutlass URL to hardy images | 17:10 |
Mithrandir | ChickenCutlass: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/ has hardy images | 17:10 |
ChickenCutlass | Mithrandir, thanks | 17:10 |
Mithrandir | amitk: it's called "kernel is in modprobe land", I think. | 17:11 |
Mithrandir | amitk: but udev is spinning waiting for the kernel to return. | 17:11 |
amitk | Mithrandir: i thought that was done between 2 and 7s | 17:11 |
amitk | but you are probably right, there are calls to modprobe from udev too | 17:12 |
Mithrandir | amitk: the first one is initramfs, the second one is the normal system | 17:12 |
smagoun | bspencer__: the chart ends before mozembed starts | 17:12 |
bspencer__ | smagoun: so it is really >35s before the user sees a UI he can interact with | 17:12 |
bspencer__ | perhaps >40s | 17:12 |
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smagoun | bspencer__: yes. the chart doesn't include the bios (10sec) or bootloader (2sec) either | 17:13 |
alek_desk | bspencer__, that's why Martin is working on fast boot | 17:13 |
bspencer | alek_desk: we are interested in fast boot but normal boot is also very important to reduce | 17:13 |
alek_desk | of course | 17:13 |
davidm | OK can we look at this further next week at the sprint? | 17:15 |
davidm | ChickenCutlass, is it possible to get the tests run before the sprint? | 17:15 |
ChickenCutlass | davidm, I can do the gutsy ext3 no problem but I need a saved MIC project for Hardy to do the ext3 test | 17:16 |
davidm | ChickenCutlass, OK thanks that will help | 17:16 |
davidm | Mithrandir, can we get ChickenCutlass a saved MIC project for Hardy? | 17:16 |
Mithrandir | bspencer: mjg59 at least is not very comfortable with shipping anything based on hibernate, since it mostly works by accident and he believes the error rate will be too high. | 17:16 |
Mithrandir | davidm: I'll see if I can get him one. | 17:17 |
bspencer | Mithrandir: I hear ya. | 17:17 |
bspencer | I would really like to focus on reducing normal boot. | 17:17 |
Mithrandir | bspencer: (I'm just the messenger here; I don't know the details, so please don't ask for them. :-) | 17:17 |
davidm | [action] Mithrandir to try to get ChickenCutlass a saved MIC project for Hardy quickly | 17:18 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Mithrandir to try to get ChickenCutlass a saved MIC project for Hardy quickly | 17:18 |
davidm | OK can we pick this up at the sprint? | 17:19 |
Mithrandir | sounds good to me | 17:19 |
Mithrandir | speaking of which, will we have some C0 (or D0) systems available for hacking on? | 17:19 |
davidm | Yes Mauri said we will have some | 17:19 |
HappyCamp_laptop | Mithrandir: I think so, mawhalen was going to make sure we have some. | 17:19 |
Mithrandir | excellent | 17:20 |
davidm | 4 I think | 17:20 |
davidm | [topic] Bob Spencer (bspencer) to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:20 |
MootBot | New Topic: Bob Spencer (bspencer) to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:20 |
bspencer | I have not completed my action item. Very sorry. Will discuss it with the team before the sprint. I've been out of the office Friday to Wednesday (yesterday) | 17:20 |
mawhalen | Yes, we will have at least 3 D0 systems to use during the Spring | 17:20 |
mawhalen | Sprint | 17:20 |
davidm | bspencer, I'll carry the action | 17:20 |
davidm | mawhalen, thanks for update | 17:20 |
davidm | [action] Bob Spencer (bspencer) to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:20 |
MootBot | ACTION received: Bob Spencer (bspencer) to continue checking that projects are tagged when they release and report back on whether this is the case. | 17:20 |
davidm | New business | 17:21 |
davidm | [topic] Hildon 2.0 release discussion (bspencer) | 17:21 |
MootBot | New Topic: Hildon 2.0 release discussion (bspencer) | 17:21 |
bspencer | Hildon 2.0 has been officially released. I would like to propose that we update to it. Horace and I can do the work. Here's the plan: | 17:21 |
bspencer | - Update to Hildon 2.0 in Ubuntu PPA | 17:21 |
bspencer | - Add new patches to make Hildon freedesktop.org compliant (small things) | 17:21 |
bspencer | - Add other patches already part of Ubuntu version of Hildon. | 17:21 |
bspencer | (suggestions welcome) | 17:21 |
bspencer | I'd like to clearly identify everything that is different from upstream and keep these separate as patches | 17:22 |
bspencer | I also plan to add a webpage to moblin.org detailing the latest status of MID use of Hildon for pepole to see. | 17:22 |
lool | bspencer: Did you discuss the XDG patches with upstream? | 17:22 |
bspencer | I think this work will be small because we updated just 6weeks ago. The diffs should be minor. | 17:23 |
bspencer | lool, no because I didn't know if we had patches yet. | 17:23 |
lool | Oh ok | 17:23 |
bspencer | but we will do that. | 17:23 |
lool | bfiller was also interested in participating, and naturally I am | 17:23 |
bspencer | yes -- ok. Will keep you two on all chatter I hear about it. | 17:23 |
bfiller | bspencer: I have recently merged some of Horace's changes into Launchpad as well as a bunch of my own changes | 17:23 |
bfiller | bspencer: we should make sure these all get included.. | 17:24 |
bspencer | bfiller: changes to Hildon in particular? | 17:24 |
bfiller | bspencer: yes | 17:24 |
bspencer | bfiller: agree (all patches get included) | 17:24 |
bspencer | bfiller: I'll take a look at your patches. I'm interested to know what you updated. | 17:24 |
bspencer | (but can do that offline) | 17:24 |
bspencer | that's all I have about Hildon 2.0 from my end. | 17:25 |
bfiller | bspencer: maybe we could work on testing/debugging hildon 2.0 next week at sprint? | 17:25 |
lool | bspencer: One thing which might be a bit hard if we want patches as patch files is to extract our current changes as patches | 17:25 |
bspencer | bfiller: great idea. Let's set that as a goal of the sprint. | 17:25 |
bspencer | lool, agree. I like the idea though if it is possible without killing us | 17:25 |
bspencer | I'd like to separate upstream with our additions. Not sure if that is feasible. | 17:26 |
lool | We can discuss this with more depth later on, but people have expressed disagreement with the usage of patches along with bzr: bzr branches should be used instead | 17:26 |
lool | I personally don't mind one or the other; mixing bzr changes and patch files sounds bad though | 17:26 |
bspencer | lool: true -- I recall such a discussion. Let's chat at the sprint. | 17:26 |
lool | (I never managed a collection of patches as bzr branches so I find patch files easier for me at the moment ;) | 17:27 |
lool | bspencer: *cough* | 17:27 |
lool | bspencer: I wont be at the sprint | 17:27 |
lool | bspencer: I'm moving to my new house after all | 17:27 |
lool | (Date only slipped by 3 days) | 17:27 |
bspencer | lool: ok. new house (woo) | 17:27 |
bspencer | they must pay good at canonical ;) | 17:27 |
lool | Will miss you all, folks! | 17:27 |
lool | bspencer: Pffff :) | 17:28 |
davidm | lool, will you have time Monday to talk further? | 17:28 |
lool | bspencer: Yeah, 1 house in 3 months is pretty decent pay | 17:28 |
agoliveira | bspencer: They have 50 years mortgages there... | 17:28 |
lool | davidm: Certainly | 17:28 |
bspencer | agoliveira: lol | 17:28 |
davidm | OK can I suggest we take this up first thing Monday then? | 17:28 |
agoliveira | bspencer: I'm not joking, ask Lool! | 17:28 |
lool | davidm: I guess up to wednesday included, I should be able to clear anything outstanding | 17:28 |
bspencer | davidm: yes. sounds good. Thanks. | 17:28 |
davidm | lool, great, thanks | 17:29 |
lool | davidm: Absolutely, but with the TZ issue naturally | 17:29 |
davidm | [action] further review of Hildon 2.0 release discussion at sprint Monday morning | 17:29 |
MootBot | ACTION received: further review of Hildon 2.0 release discussion at sprint Monday morning | 17:29 |
lool | (And while I'm at it: I wont be around from thursday next week for about 10 days) | 17:29 |
davidm | OK that concludes new business | 17:30 |
bspencer | lool: so we need to settle on maintainership of the Hildon stuff too so we can make sure changes are doable while you are away | 17:30 |
bspencer | (at the sprint) | 17:30 |
lool | bspencer: Yep; albeit other people in the team can sort anything I suppose | 17:30 |
davidm | Any other new business? | 17:31 |
amitk | Intel was to provide us with a list of folks who should have logins on kernel.ubuntu.com for joint integration efforts. I haven't received those names yet. | 17:31 |
davidm | bspencer, can you look into this for next week? | 17:31 |
alek_desk | amitk, i know the name list | 17:31 |
bspencer | davidm: yes. | 17:31 |
davidm | [topic] Intel was to provide Canonical with a list of folks who should have logins on kernel.ubuntu.com | 17:31 |
MootBot | New Topic: Intel was to provide Canonical with a list of folks who should have logins on kernel.ubuntu.com | 17:32 |
bspencer | oh... spoke too soon. | 17:32 |
bspencer | alek_desk: can do it :) | 17:32 |
amitk | alek_desk: send me the names and preferred login ids in email | 17:32 |
davidm | please CC me too | 17:32 |
alek_desk | amitk, sure | 17:32 |
alek_desk | davidm, ok | 17:32 |
davidm | [action] alek_desk: to send Amitk and Davidm the names and preferred login ids in email for kernel.ubuntu.com logins | 17:33 |
MootBot | ACTION received: alek_desk: to send Amitk and Davidm the names and preferred login ids in email for kernel.ubuntu.com logins | 17:33 |
davidm | OK any other new business? | 17:33 |
davidm | amitk, please edit the wiki page with the item | 17:33 |
davidm | going once............ | 17:33 |
amitk | davidm: sure | 17:34 |
davidm | going twice............ | 17:34 |
davidm | #endmeeting | 17:34 |
MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:34. | 17:34 |
davidm | lool, can you join me now in the conference room near where I am sitting please? | 17:35 |
lool | davidm: Absolutely | 17:35 |
asac_the_2nd | raji: network manager 0.7 bits are avail my ppa ... if you wanna give it a try: https://edge.launchpad.net/~asac/+archive | 17:35 |
cjwatson | Mithrandir,smagoun,davidm: pretty sure I fixed that console-setup issue already in hardy; I think I mailed some subset of you about it | 17:51 |
cjwatson | * Backport from trunk: | 17:51 |
cjwatson | - Run setupcon with --save in the postinst to ensure that required data | 17:51 |
cjwatson | is copied to /etc. | 17:51 |
cjwatson | - Load the saved keymap in /etc/console-setup/boottime.kmap.gz if | 17:51 |
cjwatson | available rather than running ckbcomp (which is slow), unless we're | 17:51 |
cjwatson | being called with --save or --save-only. | 17:51 |
cjwatson | console-setup 1.19ubuntu1 | 17:51 |
Mithrandir | cjwatson: oh, of course. That image is based off gutsy which explains it. | 17:52 |
Mithrandir | smagoun: ^ ; you probably want to put that into the gutsy ppa. | 17:52 |
cjwatson | can give you the isolated diff if you want | 17:56 |
lool | If you have it available, that'd be nice | 17:56 |
cjwatson | you want http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/console-setup/trunk/revision/19 and http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/console-setup/trunk/revision/20 | 17:58 |
lool | Thanks! | 17:58 |
smagoun | cjwatson: Mithrandir thanks. I'll look at that today. | 17:59 |
lool | smagoun: I have an upload for the above ready; mind if I push to the gutsy ppa for you to have a look? | 18:55 |
smagoun | lool: that would be great | 18:57 |
mawhalen | davidm: ping | 19:19 |
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smagoun | lool: the console-setup you added to the gutsy ppa seems to work. I'll try to get performance numbers tomorrow. Thanks! | 22:20 |
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