[00:00] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: thanks for fixing up the UI
[00:49] <blizzzek> gn8
[00:55] <cheguevara> 2.6.24 is out for whoever cares
[00:57] <mhb> cheguevara: whoever cares also has subscription :o)
[00:58] <cheguevara> lol
[00:59] <nixternal_> Linux ShakaDoobie 2.6.24-4-generic #1 SMP Mon Jan 14 17:30:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[00:59] <nixternal_> already using it :)
[01:00] <cheguevara> meh ubuntu omits rcs for some reason
[01:01] <cheguevara> i bet your using rc8 trully
[01:01] <nixternal_> whatever Ben pulls from git
[01:01] <cheguevara> well yeah
[01:03] <cheguevara> actually -4 is rc7
[01:03] <cheguevara> -5 that got upped today is rc8
[01:03] <ryanakca> kwwii: nice KDM background
[01:05] <nixternal_> ryanakca: you talking about the kde3 kdm background? which I think is the kde3 wallpaper for us?
[01:05] <cheguevara> the blue one?
[01:05] <nixternal_> I have to say that using usb sticks and what not works much better in KDE 4 than it ever did in KDE 3
[01:07] <cheguevara> whats with when you say open kwrite
[01:08] <cheguevara> and try to open another text file, it don't open in the same kwrite and produces an error
[01:09] <cheguevara> is it because of the wrappers?
[01:09] <mhb> esrever ni kcuts
[01:10] <nosrednaekim> mhb: isn't it kinda late over there?
[01:10] <mhb> that's what they sing, too :o)
[01:10] <mhb> "when you feel so tired, but you can't sleep"
[01:10] <mhb> nosrednaekim: working on kdesudo
[01:11] <nosrednaekim> oh... fun.
[01:43] <mhb> Tonio_: be sure to update your trunk-kde4 branch in the morning
[01:57] <cheguevara> http://phorolinux.com/images/opensuse11a1/installer02.jpg
[01:57] <cheguevara> damn that looks nice
[01:57] <mhb> don't be confused by its appearance - it's still opensuse
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[01:58] <mhb> their installer is still the ultra wizard with a 1000 slides.
[01:58] <mhb> no matter how much makeup he puts on.
[01:58] <nosrednaekim> I do like their package selection though
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> but thats probably because I have dial-up
[01:59] <mhb> nosrednaekim: please explain
[01:59] <cheguevara> default kde installation takes too much space imho though
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> I like the idea of 5 cds with every single package on them, so I don't have to send DL scripts, etc to my dad
[02:00] <cheguevara> heh
[02:00] <cheguevara> installer is in qt 4 as well
[02:03] <cheguevara> We’ll add KDE 4.0 as default for Alpha 2 and 3. If it quality wise works out KDE 4.0 will be default for goldmaster release in June
[02:03] <cheguevara> ^^ opensuse
[02:03] <mhb> nosrednaekim: you like it?
[02:04] <mhb> nosrednaekim: hmm, I remember having the same idea back in the day - "let's download the 5 CDs so I can install everything on a dial-up system without the Net"
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> mhb: open suse?no. the system of having all the packages in one place? yes
[02:04] <mhb> the 3rd CD b0rked and I was left with 5 useless CDs
[02:04] <nosrednaekim> ^_^
[02:05] <mhb> of course, suse refused to install.
[02:06] <nosrednaekim> that is, of course, the problem
[02:07] <mhb> that's why I like the idea of 1 CD installer
[02:07] <nosrednaekim> yeah.... and download scripts... :)
[02:08] <mhb> well, they shouldn't be necessary.
[02:08] <mhb> except for proprietary codecs maybe.
[02:10] <nosrednaekim> well, I use them to send wget scripts to my dad for any packages I want.
[02:10] <mhb> nosrednaekim: what do you actually miss in Kubuntu?
[02:11] <nosrednaekim> nothing.... which is why i'm using it :)
[02:11] <mhb> I think in a way, software needs to have limits, like a 700MB CD. Because if it doesn't, it behaves like a gas and expands indefinitely.
[02:12] <mhb> a distro can easily fill the whole DVD.
[02:12] <mhb> I'm sure Debian would fill the Blu-ray.
[02:12] <nosrednaekim> :)
[02:13] <mhb> when we have limits, we strive to overcome them, thus innovating.
[02:13] <mhb> we think of cleverer ways to pack data, or have strict guidelines on what to include.
[02:14] <nosrednaekim> right..
[02:14] <mhb> how's dial-up on Kubuntu btw?
[02:14] <mhb> is networkmanager any good? Or do you have to use kppp?
[02:16] <nosrednaekim> we have  way too many computers in this house for me to be dialing out myself ;) we dial out from a server(running gentoo, thanks to my brother) with a serial modem
[02:18] <mhb> ah
[02:18] <mhb> cool.
[02:18] <mhb> I used to dial-up with a server too.
[02:18] <mhb> those were the times :o)
[02:18] <nosrednaekim> those ARE the times :)
[02:19] <nosrednaekim> and let me tell you... the good old days aren't so good :)
[02:19] <mhb> nosrednaekim: yeah, I guess I like 4Mbit more.
[02:20]  * nosrednaekim see red
[02:21] <Hobbsee> dialup?  what's that?
[02:21] <nosrednaekim> pain....
[02:21] <mhb> memories of childhood
[02:21] <mhb> :o)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> mmm...pair gain dialup...
[02:23] <cheguevara> someone in US actually uses dial up?! :P
[02:24] <nosrednaekim> ya...DSL doesn't come out to where I am...
[02:25] <cheguevara> aka cave
[02:25] <cheguevara> :P
[02:25] <nosrednaekim> aka.. the Blueberry Capital of the world...
[02:26] <cheguevara> Hammonton, NJ ?
[02:26] <mhb> what's kdError and kdWarning replaced with?
[02:26] <mhb> any RTFM for me?
[02:26] <mhb> I tried to UTFG, but no luck.
[02:26] <nosrednaekim> cheguevara: how... the... heck?
[02:27]  * nosrednaekim bets he googled it..
[02:28] <cheguevara> mhb, try kWarning and kFatal
[02:28] <mhb> cheguevara: thanks, will do.
[02:28] <cheguevara> nosrednaekim, yeah i did :P
[02:29] <cheguevara> mhb, type of stream is QDebug btw
[02:37] <mhb> cheguevara: I thank you and kdesudo thanks you
[02:38] <cheguevara> np mhb :P
[02:38] <cheguevara> anything for you and kdesudo :P
[02:54] <posingaspopular> does anyone which version of kde the kubuntu hardy alpha 3 cd uses?
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> posingaspopular: 3.5.8
[02:59] <posingaspopular> thanks!
[03:36] <genii> Hello. Does anyone know if Reaktivate is still somewhere in the kde svn?
[04:52] <nixternal> jjesse: have you made any recent changes to our bzr repo? if so, have you pushed them? I did an update earlier and didn't get anything new
[04:52] <jjesse> nixternal: not that i nkow of
[04:52] <nixternal> OK, I couldn't remember if you did or not
[04:53] <genii> Hello. Does anyone know if Reaktivate is dead or just hiding somewhere?
[04:54] <nixternal> never heard of it
[04:54] <genii> shockwave for konq, lemme find the original announce
[04:55] <genii> http://www.konqueror.org/announcements/reaktivate.php
[04:56] <Jucato> genii: it's most probably dead... http://websvn.kde.org/tags/unmaintained/3/reaktivate/
[04:56] <genii> Thanks
[04:56] <Jucato> and it's actually more of an ActiveX thingy... (ew?)
[04:56]  * genii hands Jucato a coffee
[04:56] <Jucato> hi nixternal, hi jjesse!
[04:56] <Jucato> thanks genii
[04:56] <nixternal> hiya Jucato
[05:00] <jjesse> hello Jucato, ashmatha better today?
[05:10] <Jucato> jjesse: a bit.. hopefully it'll stay that way...
[05:10] <Jucato> (very busy weekend ahead...)
[05:13] <jjesse> i'll say prayer that it allows you to have a good weekend :)
[05:13] <Jucato> thanks :)
[05:13] <Jucato> it's a church thong too... so I'm banking on that :)
[05:14] <Jucato> er... thing*
[05:14] <Jucato> why does 'i' have to be beside 'o'? :(
[05:14] <jjesse> because they were invented that way?
[05:14] <Jucato> so that fat fingers will mistype thong :)
[05:18] <genii> Hmm. After an: sudo apt-get upgrade   ps ax shows: 11749 ?        Ss     0:00 kdeinit4: kdeinit4 Running...                       but I'm on 3.5.8
[05:18] <genii> kded4 also appears
[05:21] <Jucato> did you start any kde4 app before that? (how about using ps auxf to show the user and the parents?)
[09:32] <Riddell> where's the motu council poll?
[09:34] <Riddell> found it in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+poll
[09:34] <Riddell> what is the difference between ~ubuntu-dev and  ~motu?
[09:48] <mornfall> Morgen.
[09:48] <Riddell> Nazdar
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: we should change the text color of the date in kdm, its also "washed" out like the one we previously fixed.
[09:56] <Riddell> _StefanS_: sure, go ahead :)
[09:56] <Riddell> the whole background should be made less transparent
[09:56] <_StefanS_> yes that would probably help
[10:04] <_StefanS_> kwwii: you there?
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the texts are fixed, but I need kwii to fix the transperancy stuff on the dialog since its a static image
[10:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: texts fixed in bzr?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nawp
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: can I commit to it ?
[10:12] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if you're in kubuntu-members
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I am..
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: will do.
[10:13] <Riddell> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-default-settings/ubuntu
[10:13] <_StefanS_> thanjs
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like kdmtheme still borks the kdmrc.. maybe I should look at that
[10:21] <Riddell> _StefanS_: you could indeed.  it's in kdebase
[10:22] <_StefanS_> yup, the other kdesudo related stuff was fixed by Tonio, so I guess its something I could look at
[11:03] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yepp, now I am
[11:04] <kwwii> brb, rebooting
[11:06] <kwwii> re
[11:07] <Riddell> kwwii: I think he wants the centre image from our kdm theme to make it less transparent for the new background
[11:10] <kwwii> _StefanS_: http://sinecera.de/gutsy_kubuntu.svg
[11:11] <Riddell> kwwii: no, the "dialogue" one
[11:12] <Riddell> with the kubuntu logo and square
[11:14] <_StefanS_> yes
[11:14] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2b.svg
[11:14] <_StefanS_> I was just out to lunch
[11:14] <_StefanS_> someting like that probably
[11:15] <_StefanS_> kwwii: although the current one in hardy is somewhat larger, cant we modify that one ?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> kwwii: dialog.png under the kubuntu theme
[11:18] <Tm_T> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmgh
[11:20] <kwwii> _StefanS_: the dialog.png was made from an svg like that one
[11:20] <kwwii> let me check and see if I can find the version from gutsy
[11:21] <kwwii> I am not sure if I saved a version for gutsy after making it bigger
[11:22] <davmor2> Riddell: did you get that printer app working?
[11:22] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/gutsy_kdm_list.svg
[11:23] <kwwii> and http://sinecera.de/gutsy_kdm.svg for the smaller version
[11:30] <Riddell> davmor2: dunno, I don't have a printer here to test with
[11:31] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ok those seem to be the right ones
[11:31] <_StefanS_> kwwii: can you make them a little less transperant?
[11:34] <kwwii> _StefanS_: at the moment I am in a meeting in London, I could get to that sometime next week
[11:34] <kwwii> _StefanS_: they will need new logos as well
[11:35] <kwwii> I was planning on taking care of that later
[11:35] <kwwii> also, I thought about editing the usplash
[11:35] <kwwii> (which is where the logo in kdm came from)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> good idea.. a fresh logo would be cool
[11:40] <_StefanS_> kwwii: any ideas how to improve the logo?
[11:40] <kwwii> _StefanS_: not off the top of my head
[11:40] <kwwii> we could always make it brown or orange :p
[11:41] <mhb> good morning
[11:41] <_StefanS_> kwwii: bah :O.. another thing; I think it would be cool to switch to using qtcurve as style, you can really make some nice configurations not available in the current style
[11:42] <_StefanS_> kwwii: I really think it has come a long way
[11:42] <kwwii> _StefanS_: in kde4?
[11:42] <_StefanS_> kwwii: no just kde3..
[11:42] <kwwii> ahhh, right...I think that would be a good idea
[11:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about the style? I could mock something up for next week maybe ?
[11:43] <_StefanS_> kwwii: we could discuss the look, and align it with your ideas
[11:44] <mhb> I find QtCurve quite similar to polyester
[11:44] <mhb> but it's true that it's a bit more maintained.
[11:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: well, if you really get into the details of the configurations, you make some seriously nice styles
[11:44] <kwwii> _StefanS_: cool, let's talk about this next week
[11:44] <_StefanS_> kwwii: deal then.
[11:44] <_StefanS_> I might make a few mocks.
[11:44] <kwwii> mhb, _StefanS_: perhaps we can discuss this at some semi-official meeting
[11:45] <_StefanS_> well yes, could be a good idea... everyone could give their 2cents.
[11:45] <kwwii> yeah, a couple of people complained about the new wallpaper and suggested having a contest
[11:45] <kwwii> I told them to bring it up at the next meeting if they really want to do that
[11:46] <kwwii> and that I do not want to be responsible for that in any case
[11:46] <_StefanS_> kwwii: yes, fractals probably had their period in the 90's ;)
[11:47] <_StefanS_> kwwii: did you the the vplants collection posted on deviantart ? some of those pictures are truly amazing. Although digital photography dont seem popular for the kubuntu users (last time I asked ..)
[11:47] <_StefanS_> the/see
[11:48] <kwwii> _StefanS_: nope, didn't see that
[11:48] <kwwii> naturally, I welcome any suggestions, help or anyone who wants to be responsible for this stuff :-)
[11:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well you ought to check it out then, I would bet there's a few candidates in there..
[11:49] <kwwii> my contract no longer includes working on kubuntu, so I am doing this in my own time now
[11:49] <_StefanS_> kwwii: so youre not working for canonical ?
[11:49] <_StefanS_> anymore I mean
[11:49] <kwwii> yes I am, but only on ubuntu officialy
[11:50] <_StefanS_> uhm oka
[11:51] <_StefanS_> kwwii: that would explain your orange/brown palette you talked about :P
[11:53] <kwwii> ;-9
[11:58] <_StefanS_> kwwii: http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/gallery/
[12:03] <_StefanS_> kwwii: http://djmattricks.deviantart.com/art/Vplants-12-56544510 does this flower look familar ? :)
[12:07] <kwwii> hehe, very close
[12:07] <Hobbsee> kwwii: why did they dump you from kubuntu?
[12:08] <kwwii> Hobbsee: they did not dump me from anything, really
[12:09] <kwwii> it was always understood that ubuntu took priority...I just always put kubuntu on top of my list (and that will not change anyway)
[12:10] <kwwii> but I want to make it clear that someone else can certainly step up and take care of this stuff
[12:11] <Hobbsee> right
[12:11]  * _StefanS_ just snagged a few new wallpapers
[12:12] <_StefanS_> Riddell: to commit my changes to the k-d-s branch, isn't it just bzr commit ? I get an error that http does not support mkdir()
[12:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: you can't write to http, you want to use the bzr+ssh url
[12:15] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[12:16] <mornfall> Hm.
[12:21] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, have you seen our trouble with kdesudo?
[12:21] <mhb> Riddell: we need http://api.kde.org/4.x-api/kdelibs-apidocs/kdesu/html/classKDESu_1_1KDESuPrivate_1_1KCookie.html
[12:22] <_StefanS_> Riddell: should be commited to bzr now.
[12:23] <mhb> but it's not in the includes - not sure if it's because it's just a private kdesu class or because of some other thing
[12:23] <mhb> err, a class in KDESuPrivate namespace
[12:24] <Riddell> mhb: copy and paste it then
[12:31] <mhb> mm, nasty. Thanks.
[13:17] <ScottK> Riddell: I've about got the python-qt4 merge done.  It needs a newer sip4-qt3.  The merge for that's in Bug #185754
[13:17] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185754 in sip4-qt3 "Please merge sip4-qt3 4.7.3-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185754
[13:18] <Riddell> ScottK: I didn't know it needed merging, what's new?
[13:18] <ScottK> Riddell: New upstream version.
[13:19] <ScottK> I mentioned it yesterday, I guess it got missed.
[13:20] <Riddell> sip4 merge looks all good
[13:21] <ScottK> I have a couple of things I want to work through on the python-qt4 one which will be easier to do reliably once I can get sip4 from the archive.
[13:21] <ScottK> Thanks
[13:22] <ScottK> The main thing the new python=qt4 does is support the newer qt4 (4.3.3).
[13:24] <mornfall> Riddell: Now, I have a extra-rudimentary C++ frontend for debconf. (No GUI and doesn't understand half of the protocol, but it's trying...).
[13:24] <Riddell> uploading sip4-qt3
[13:25] <mornfall> But, so far it works.
[13:25] <Riddell> mornfall: talking directly through the protocol?
[13:25] <mornfall> Riddell: Yes, using DEBIAN_FRONTEND=passthrough
[13:25] <mornfall> Through a unix socket.
[13:25] <Riddell> you're a genius
[13:25] <Riddell> that's also what our ubiquity installer does I believe (in python)
[13:26] <blizzzek> hi
[13:27] <mornfall> I'll re-add konsole after 4.1 is out I guess, but only as a debugging tool mostly, this time.
[13:28] <ScottK2> Riddell: Thanks.  I'll let you know when I have something on python-qt4.
[13:28] <mornfall> Anyhow, DDR for a bit and then probably some sort of lunch.
[13:28] <mornfall> When I get the package download and debconf thingy sorted out, I'll make alpha2.
[13:29] <mornfall> Then goes conffile handling and robustification.
[13:29] <mornfall> Well, see ya ; - ). -->
[13:34] <mhb> too bad Tonio's not around
[13:35] <blizzzek> will kernel 2.6.24 go into hardy?
[13:35] <mhb> no
[13:35] <mhb> 2.6.24-4-generic
[13:35] <mhb> is there now.
[13:35] <mhb> so it can't go where it already is :o)
[13:36] <seele> Riddell: i couldnt get the printer ui to run
[13:37] <blizzzek> mhb: ah nice :D
[13:39] <Riddell> seele: are you on gutsy?
[13:40] <Riddell> I havn't tested it there
[13:40] <Riddell> mornfall: you make it sound all so easy :)
[13:51] <seele> Riddell: yes
[13:51] <seele> so that could be why
[14:49] <ScottK2> Riddell: Apparently my sip4 merge was good, except I put gutsy in the changelog.  Would you like a revised debdiff or could you just gutsy/hard and upload again?
[15:01] <ScottK2> Riddell: Updated debdiff attached to Bug #185754 just in case you wanted it.
[15:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185754 in sip4-qt3 "Please merge sip4-qt3 4.7.3-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185754
[15:02] <cheguevara> http://bentham.k2.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/media/linux-srom.html
[15:04] <iRon> cheguevara: where is kubuntu? ;)
[15:04] <cheguevara> heh
[15:37] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: thanks for fixing up that UI
[15:41] <jpatrick> Riddell: ha, looks like I got my first press contact spam :D
[15:41] <Riddell> jpatrick: really?
[15:41] <Riddell> that was fast, what did they say?
[15:42] <jpatrick> Riddell: you got the same message too, by the looks of the To: line
[15:43] <ScottK2> Riddell: Did you see my note about the sip4-qt3 merge (sorry about that)?
[15:53] <Riddell> ScottK2: Doh!
[15:54] <Riddell> jpatrick: oh, literally spam?
[15:54] <jpatrick> Riddell: yeah..
[15:55] <Riddell> gmail is my anti-spam friend
[15:55] <jpatrick> doesn't always work tho :(
[15:56] <Riddell> D key is my other anti-spam friend :)
[15:56] <jpatrick> hehe :)
[15:58] <ScottK> Riddell: Sorry about that.
[15:59] <Riddell> ScottK: hardy one uploaded
[15:59] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[16:15] <Hobbsee> hah
[16:15] <Hobbsee> kubuntu-users has stopped being offtopic though
[16:15] <Hobbsee> er, s/though/now/
[17:05] <yuriy> mornfall: I played around with the search as you type thing a little and it doesn't seem to alwasy return correct search results
[17:05] <yuriy> and often the results flicker on and disappear
[17:28] <snikker> when i run "ps2pdf file.ps file.pdf", i've got this error: "Bus error". this appen only from today. can you help me?
[17:29] <yuriy> snikker: #kubuntu or #ubuntu are the support channels, you'll have better luck there
[17:34] <snikker> yuriy: i've already tried both, but with no answer...
[17:38] <mhb> WORKSFORME
[17:44] <davies> !wfm > mhb
[17:58] <mhb> davies: is it the third time you sent it to me?
[17:58] <davies> mhb: err..
[17:58] <davies> :)
[17:59] <mhb> davies: he asked in a non-support channel, and the people here can't reproduce it.
[17:59]  * davies was just joking
[17:59] <mhb> I think it's perfectly valid to label him WORKSFORME. If he filed a bug, that would be a different thing :o)
[17:59] <mhb> or had he asked in the appropriate channel.
[17:59]  * davies has to do a kickban
[18:00] <mhb> but okay, I guess I am rude. /me shuts up
[18:01] <davies> no, not you! someone wrote sudo rm you-know-what in a channel
[18:02] <\sh> grmpf
[18:02] <\sh> does anyone know from where we imported koctave?
[18:04] <\sh> News & changelog
[18:04] <\sh> 07/07/2003
[18:04] <\sh> New homepage for kOctave, a special thanks to Chrisitan Åderfjäll for the design!
[18:04] <\sh> oh wow..I'll file a removal request
[18:04] <nixternal> lol
[18:04] <\sh> not in debian no where
[18:05] <ryanakca> nixternal: yes
[18:09] <nixternal> ryanakca: what is that yes for? :)
[18:09] <\sh> bug #185989
[18:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185989 in koctave "[REMOVAL REQUEST] koctave" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185989
[18:13] <nixternal> heh, snikker is in ubuntu-devel asking the same question
[18:14] <mhb> davies: you've changed your nickname?
[18:15] <davies> mhb: avoiding some -es trolls
[18:16] <mhb> davies: ah, trolls, the evil monsters of the Internets
[18:16] <mhb> davies: too bad to hear that
[18:17] <davies> mhb: yeah, but... they'll alwys be there :|
[19:35] <jjesse> afternoon
[19:36] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[19:36] <jjesse> how yoaure Nicke
[19:36] <jjesse> doh
[19:36] <jjesse> nixternal
[19:36] <nixternal> lol
[19:36] <jjesse> :(
[19:36] <jjesse> typing problems today
[19:36] <nixternal> ni<tab> didn't work ey :)
[19:37] <jjesse> not that time
[19:38] <jjesse> is suspend still not working correctly on kde$?  by that i mean close my lid it suspends the laptop?
[19:38] <nixternal> I didn't have my lid suspend, just lock...but you can't lock in kde4 for some reason
[19:39] <nixternal> suspend used to work fine for me though in the past when I used it
[19:39] <jjesse> the battery widget doesn't suspend for me
[19:39] <jjesse> or see my battery
[19:39] <emonkey> nixternal, nice mockup :)
[19:39] <yuriy> the battery widget is just a battery widget
[19:39] <jjesse> ah,
[19:39] <yuriy> but running g-p-m doesn't help lock the screen on lid close
[19:40] <mhb> what mockup?
[19:40] <mhb> the website one?
[19:41] <nixternal> mhb: ya, I was bored at last weeks lug meeting and messed around with a front portal like page for Kubuntu
[19:41] <nixternal> it is on ryanakca's mockup wiki page
[19:41] <yuriy> nixternal: ooh very nice indeed, especially for post hardy
[19:42] <jjesse> nixternal: how's the weather at o'hare today?
[19:42] <nixternal> cold
[19:42] <nixternal> and clear
[19:42] <mhb> reminds me of the opensuse start page.
[19:42] <jjesse> hopefully i won't have any delays
[19:42] <nixternal> what is up with you and o'hare?
[19:42] <jjesse> i fly every week and have to go through o'hare
[19:42] <nixternal> mhb: nah, opensuse startpage is much nicer :)
[19:43] <jjesse> today its salt lake city -> denver -> o'hare -> grand rapids
[19:43] <nixternal> jeesh, no direct flights?
[19:43] <nixternal> I hate connections
[19:43] <jjesse> nope not w/ united and i have premier status w/ united
[19:43]  * yuriy checks out upensuse.org
[19:43] <yuriy> er opensuse.org
[19:43] <jjesse> upensuse?
[19:43] <jjesse> i wonder if it exstsis
[19:44] <jjesse> hrmm doesn't exists
[19:44] <mhb> übersuse? No, it's SUSE American & Corporate now
[19:45] <nixternal> man, before Novell took over SuSe, those were the days...I was a huge SuSe fan
[19:52] <ryanakca> nixternal: the yes was for the background.
[19:52]  * ryanakca bbl
[19:52] <yuriy> hmm what if the kubuntu site were to use the oxygen webpage style (like kde.org and techbase)
[20:09] <jjesse> why do i think its so funny watching everyone run to thier plane as they are late?
[20:11] <jjesse> yay plane is ready to board
[20:11] <jjesse> off to denver
[20:18] <ScottK2> Building python-qt4 is a good stress test for my new laptop's thermal management.
[20:21] <blizzzek> ScottK2: you want to use it as a hotplate?
[20:21] <ScottK2> It's currently keeping my legs toasty warm.
[20:23] <blizzzek> if your wife comes with a knife and jam: run
[20:23] <smarter> my laptop is currently at 90°C
[20:24] <blizzzek> mine would die between 60 and 70°
[20:24] <blizzzek> C
[20:25]  * davies has bad experience building on his laptop and just ssh's into a desktop
[20:26] <iRon> 57C 1 min after kdebase build
[20:28] <iRon> but i'm sitting on the floor :)
[20:48] <smarter> "E: kde4-style-bespin_0.1~svn080125-Oubuntu1_source.changes: md5sum-mismatch-in-changes-file kde4-style-bespin_0.1~svn080125-Oubuntu1.dsc"
[20:48] <smarter> wth?
[20:50] <davies> smarter: remove *.dsc, *.diff.gz and try again
[20:52] <toma> Oubuntu1? shouldn't rhat be 0ubuntu1 (as in zero instead of an oh)
[20:53] <smarter> yes, I fixed that but I still get this error
[20:54] <davies> didn't we have this problem before?
[20:55] <smarter> the md5sum of .dsc and .diff.gz are not the same
[20:55] <davies> hope not
[20:55] <smarter> s/the same/the same in .changes and in real/
[20:59] <neversfelde> I made a mockup for the kubuntu.org design contest, but I am not sure how to upload it. Can somebody help me with that procedure
[21:06] <ryanakca> neversfelde: sure
[21:06] <ryanakca> neversfelde: are you at the wiki page?
[21:07] <neversfelde> yes, I do not know how to "--export=<exportname>.png --export-width=500"
[21:07] <ryanakca> neversfelde: okies, brb, mom is calling
[21:08] <neversfelde> ryanakca: it's my first time using inkscape
[21:08] <davies> neversfelde: inkscape --export=foo.png --export-width=500 file.svg
[21:09] <ryanakca> neversfelde: ok, open up a terminal
[21:09] <ryanakca> neversfelde: where did you save the file to?
[21:10] <neversfelde> the svg is on the desktop
[21:11] <neversfelde> I think I got it
[21:11] <ryanakca> neversfelde: ok, open up a terminal and type `cd $HOME/Desktop`
[21:11] <ryanakca> neversfelde: and the filename is?
[21:11] <ryanakca> okies
[21:11] <neversfelde> inkscape Mockup3.svg --export=Mockup3.png --export-width=500
[21:11] <neversfelde> opened a new inkscape window
[21:12] <neversfelde> shall I now save as png?
[21:12] <ryanakca> umm.. try closing it first and then typing this:
[21:13] <ryanakca> inkscape --export=Mockup3.png --export-width=500 Mockup3.svg
[21:13] <neversfelde> that opened a smaller inkscape window with an empty page
[21:14] <ryanakca> hm... nevermind then, run your command again. Then go to File, export as BMP
[21:14] <ryanakca> set the width to 500, and export it as Mockup3.png
[21:15] <davies> nixternal: your mockup would make a great about:konq screen
[21:16] <nixternal> it is the about:konq screen P
[21:16]  * ryanakca seconds
[21:16] <nixternal> err, ;p
[21:16] <neversfelde> ok, I now have svg and png
[21:16] <ryanakca> lol
[21:16] <nixternal> I stole the idea from there
[21:16] <ryanakca> neversfelde: ok, go to the wiki page : https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/WebsiteMockups
[21:16] <ryanakca> log in...
[21:16] <nixternal> err, s/stole/borrowed :)
[21:16] <neversfelde> ryanakca: done
[21:17] <neversfelde> now as attachement
[21:17]  * davies wonders if he should link the mockup page from #kubuntu's topic
[21:17] <ryanakca> neversfelde: weee :) ... just append it to the page now...
[21:17] <ryanakca> davies: you should
[21:17] <davies> I'm on it
[21:17] <neversfelde> ryanakca: both files? And what is @SIG@?
[21:17] <neversfelde> Can I send a comment?
[21:18] <neversfelde> many questions ;)
[21:18] <ryanakca> neversfelde: yes, and @SIG@ type it in as is, it'll put your forum name and the date at the end of the message.
[21:18] <davies> ryanakca: done
[21:18]  * davies does the same for #kubuntu-es
[21:18] <ryanakca> davies: thanks :)
[21:19] <ryanakca> neversfelde: nice :)
[21:20] <neversfelde> mhh, I do not like wikis. It is without @SIG@
[21:23] <ryanakca> neversfelde: what do you mean? Just put attachment:Mockup3.png        attachment:Mockup3.svg          @SIG@
[21:24] <neversfelde> ryanakca: ok, now I understood that @SIG@ thing :D
[21:24] <ryanakca> lol :)
[21:26] <nixternal> ryanakca: what was the decision on your initial mockup that you added tot he wiki? do we have to follow that one (ie. kind of follow ubuntu.com) or can we totally come up with something new?
[21:27] <davies> personally I don't like the ubuntu.com one
[21:27] <nixternal> me either
[21:27] <nixternal> it doesn't strike me as "professional" or "hey we do awesome software and are cool"
[21:28] <davies> and ryanakca's one looks nice
[21:28] <nixternal> it is blank :)
[21:28] <nixternal> if we are talking about the same one
[21:29] <ryanakca> nixternal: all we have is that shape and the background from what I know. Other than that, we're free to do whatever we wish.
[21:29] <nixternal> neversfelde: I did one similar to the one you just posted on the wiki (which I do like btw), but was told it looked to much like Ubuntu's when I did it
[21:30]  * nixternal finds it
[21:30] <ryanakca> Unless Riddell doesn't mind if completely branch off the ubuntu.com one... kindof like xubuntu did
[21:30] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/~rj/kubuntuwww1.png
[21:30] <neversfelde> I think it should look like ubuntu. ubuntu.com is a clean and professional website. I like it
[21:30] <ryanakca> no offence the artist in question, but I really don't like the edubuntu site.
[21:31] <nixternal> I was thinking that "Kubuntu" is its own brand, so why should we have to follow? It is time we lead!
[21:31] <nixternal> the edubuntu one is quite silly in konqi too
[21:32] <ryanakca> nixternal: and your opinion on www.kubuntu.org
[21:32] <nixternal> eww
[21:32] <nixternal> :p
[21:32] <neversfelde> nixternal: I like your version, I think you should upload it
[21:33] <ryanakca> oops, xubuntu.org
[21:33] <nixternal> neversfelde: it is pretty much the same as yours...I see we have similar tastes :)
[21:33]  * ryanakca is too used to typing kubuntu :P
[21:33]  * nixternal looks at xubuntu
[21:33] <nixternal> actually, kubuntu.org isn't eww, but it reminds me of a blog almost
[21:34] <neversfelde> Kubuntus brand is KDE and especially KDE 4, the basis of KUbuntu is the same, so why not handle it as one trademark
[21:34] <nixternal> not a fan of the xubuntu.org one either
[21:34] <nixternal> neversfelde: I was thinking very similar to that
[21:34] <nixternal> I had one that I thought was pretty cool a month or so back, but it got shot down kind of quickly
[21:35] <neversfelde> that plasma idea is cool, maybe we can combine an ubuntu.com lookalike with plasma pictures
[21:35] <ryanakca> pitty the SUSE model is already taken :P
[21:36] <ryanakca> personally, of all the *buntu* sites, I like http://ubuntustudio.org/ best
[21:37] <ryanakca> hmmm... fluxbuntu.org comes in 2nd
[21:37] <mhb> I like the plasma borders idea, too.
[21:38] <mhb> too bad I cant get hacking on doing a theme based on it for Drupal right away
[21:38] <mhb> curse those evil university exams.
[21:38] <nixternal> hehe
[21:39] <ryanakca> heh, curse those evil high school exams... only one left :)
[21:39] <davies> curse all examsn and homework
[21:39] <mhb> ryanakca: well...
[21:39] <mhb> ryanakca: I loved those
[21:39] <ryanakca> lol, in retrospect?
[21:39] <neversfelde> reminds me of final exams in july :(
[21:40] <mhb> ryanakca: all I needed was taking a look at the information the night before
[21:40] <mhb> ryanakca: but now I have to learn for like three days! Oh, the humanity...
[21:40] <ryanakca> mhb: yeah, but then you get French exams where you have to write an essay on the most random subject in an hour
[21:40] <ryanakca> lol
[21:40] <ryanakca> eh, I'll get there someday :)
[21:40] <ryanakca> ... two and a half years... *shudders*
[21:41] <davies> four years here
[21:42] <ryanakca> davies: how old are you?
[21:42] <davies> ryanakca: 16
[21:42] <ryanakca> wow... your older than I am... but somehow you start uni after I do... what time does school finish in spain/UK?
[21:42] <ryanakca> s/time/year
[21:43] <davies> I think the spanish system is one year behind, or something like that..
[21:45] <ryanakca> davies: ah :)
[21:46] <davies> :)
[21:49] <mhb> You know why I love open-source?
[21:49] <nixternal> you want to see an awesome website? check out http://www.oxynation.com (warning: not safe for Linux (flash enabled))
[21:49] <mhb> because if I stuck with the other boring OSes, I would be disappointed that Vista bring nothing new for me and I am stuck with it for several years.
[21:50] <mhb> or Leopard, which is more accurate, as I am using OS X from time to time.
[21:50] <mhb> But even though KDE4.0 is a lot disappointing, in 3 months it will be far more usable, in 6 months even more so... etc.
[21:51] <mhb> (for example the containment is really a boring idea IMHO)
[21:51] <mhb> what Id like to see is a fluent desktop, where there wont be any fixed size container, but you could arrange items like you arrange your desk, without really being limited by panels and stuff.
[21:55]  * ryanakca nods
[21:55] <ryanakca> mhb: write one up :)
[21:55] <nixternal> there is already one out there...I think there is a video of it on youtube
[21:56] <nixternal> and the idea behind it was to use the desktop like you would you desk
[21:56] <mhb> ryanakca: well I guess plasma in 4.5 should be enough.
[21:56] <mhb> I have already removed the black ugly panel from KDE4.0
[21:56] <mhb> that is just a question of config file editing
[21:57]  * blueyed wonders why gtk-qt-engine does not work by default, but after some hours it suddenly does.. (using firefox and thunderbird)
[21:57] <blueyed> When does 4.0.1 gets tagged?
[21:57] <mhb> does it work in KDE4?
[21:58] <davies> blueyed: they're going for monthly releases
[21:59] <toma> blueyed: 30th
[22:01] <mhb> ryanakca: I wish I had the time for it.
[22:01] <mhb> ryanakca: for writing stuff I want
[22:01] <mhb> ryanakca: but with every started project I should quit another one.
[22:05] <smarter> I've package the bespin Qt4 style(http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kde4-style-bespin) but I can't compile it under hardy(works fine with gutsy)
[22:05] <smarter> I get errors like :"/tmp/buildd/kde4-style-bespin-0.1~svn080125/window.cpp:152: undefined reference to `XRenderComposite''
[22:05] <smarter> I use pbuilder to test my packages
[22:07] <mhb> undefined reference usually means there's something in the header files but a library (or a function in it) is missing
[22:08] <mhb> so it can be the linker forgetting a library OR it can be an incorrectly compiled package.
[22:08] <mhb> incorrectly meaning "not with all the features that are in the header files"
[23:09] <ScottK> Bug #185830 is available for upload if there's a core-dev interested.
[23:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 185830 in python-qt4 "Please merge python-qt4 4.3.1-1  (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/185830
[23:28] <crimsun> looking.
[23:29] <ScottK> crimsun: Thanks.
[23:29] <crimsun> ScottK: does your comment in the bug report imply that it's ready or that additional work is necessary?
[23:30] <ScottK> crimsun: It's ready.  It's better than the current package.  There's one unresolved issue about pyqtconfig, but since the current package has the same problem, I don't think it should block the upload.
[23:32] <crimsun> ScottK: ACKed.
[23:33] <ScottK> crimsun: Does that mean you're going to upload it?
[23:34] <crimsun> already have.
[23:35] <crimsun> you should receive the ACCEPTED e-mail soonish
[23:35] <ScottK> Ah.  Thanks
[23:35] <ScottK> Great
[23:35] <ScottK> Kid just woke up.  Gotta run.
[23:36] <crimsun> cya
[23:45] <ScottK> crimsun: Got the accept.  Thanks again.
[23:45]  * ScottK wonders when the tech board will schedule core-dev interviews ...
[23:48] <crimsun> probably after the sprint.
[23:48]  * ScottK hopes.
[23:49] <ScottK> That one took a lot of thinking through to make sure I got it right, but I felt confident about it.  We'll see now if that was misplaced or not.